25 February 2009

from ProjectCamelot Website


This very interesting conversation took place at the International UFO Congress at Laughlin, Nevada, on 25 February 2009.


It was not a formal interview, had been opportune and unscheduled, and was recorded with a hand-held Dictaphone in a very noisy environment. Ken Elliott and Miriam Delicado were also present, and we're delighted to share this with you.

Original audio, minus the first 9 minutes, which is almost impossible to hear:




Start of recording


Bob Dean: ...Donít get me started there. I am not anti-Semitic, but I have no illusions about the Israelis. Iíve known a number of them fairly well for many years through my service in the military. Theyíre a great people and theyíre struggling to survive like everybody else.

Bill Ryan: Yes.

Bob: Anyhow, Barry Chamish has provided information about a number of things that have been going on in Israel. Itís stuff youíll never read in the newspaper, because the newspaper is filled with the Palestinians, Gaza and all that.

Bill: Sure.

Bob: One little point which I always tell people is that Israeli archeologists have concluded that the foundation stones which they have excavated at the Temple Mount, what they call the Mount of Zion...

Bill: Yes.

Bob: The Temple Mount is where the Temple used to be.

Kerry Cassidy: Iíve been there.

Bob: The Temple was there until 70 AD when the Romans tore it down. The Muslims now have built a beautiful mosque on top of it. I canít remember the name of it. But you know, this Mountain, is what it is; itís a small mountain.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: The Israeli archeologists have determined that the foundation stones at the very bottom are thousands of years old. These stones are the same size as the stones in the temple at Baalbek.

Bill: Baalbek has giant ones.

Bob: Yes. If youíre familiar with Baalbek...

Bill: Yes. Absolutely.

Bob: Those stones there...

Bill: Yes, they weigh 1100 tons.

Bob: Thereís even one outside there, thatís hauled from the quarry.

Kerry: We were just looking at a video about that.

Bill: Yep. Sure.

Bob: They never were able to put it up for some reason, probably because they got into war with each other.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: But anyhow, the stones theyíve discovered at the foundation of the Temple Mount are of a size and age that match the Baalbek-era stones.

Bill: OK.

Bob: They estimate theyíve been there for 10,000 years.

Bill: Yes. So how come this hasnít been made public?

Bob: Well, thatís a good question.

Bill: Whatís the secret?

Bob: And Barry makes the point that, like so many things in our country... Like they finally found, you know, they identified the Ararat Anomaly through the Keyhole 11.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And theyíve never released that, have they?

Bill: Well. Sure.

Bob: They put that Top Secret.

Bill: Well, thatís just too sensitive.

Bob: Why would they put the Ararat Anomaly Top Secret?

Bill: It would upset a lot of people, wouldnít it?

Bob: Would it? The Muslims?

Kerry: Well, youíre talking about the Ark, right?

[Bill/Kerry laughter]

Kerry: Well, the reasonís obvious, isnít it? Because theyíre really not willing to share what happened during the last cataclysm.

Bob: How many scientists are willing to talk about anything that even hints or smacks of religion or the Bible or theological history...

Bill: OK. OK.

Bob: ...all this bullshit about "Jesus and God" ...and all that? Have you ever talked to an atheist? I hope you havenít. Avoid them like the plague.

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: Well, I have. But Iím not sure thatís the only reason why they donít....

Bob: Well, I donít know why. I do know that they declared the Ararat Anomaly, once they found out what the hell they had up there with the Keyhole. They inserted a team up there, for Godís sakes. They extracted them and they brought out artifacts.

Bill: What did they find? Do you know what they found?

Bob: I donít know what they found. All I know is that they found ďanomalous artifactsĒ.

Bill: Right. OK.

Bob: Now, what the hell did they find other than a bunch of pieces of old wood? I donít know.

Bill: Yes. OK.

Bob: Itís ďanomalous artifactsĒ. For a long time the anomaly on the Ararat Mountain was known as an anomaly. Apparently now they discovered it was a boat. It wasnít really an anomaly.

Bill: Hm...

Bob: They said: ďItís a god-damn boat.Ē

Bill: Yes.

Bob: I think I said that in the conference today, those very words. [laughs]

Bill: You said that on video with us as well.

Bob: Did I?

Bill: Oh yes, you did. Oh yes... a god-damn boat.. Oh yes.

Bob: Bleep me out, if I say something on the interview thatís inappropriate.

Bill: Oh, itís very appropriate.

Bob: By all means, bleep me out. [laughs]

Bill: It was exactly the right way to put it.

Bob: Iíve been bleeped on television before, you know. I wonít tell you about that. Anyhow, the documentary the Israeli archeologists are filming, theyíre not releasing it to the public.

Bill: Uh huh.

Bob: But theyíve declared that the stones are probably at least 10,000 years old. And of course that blows the hell out of the idea that the whole temple was built by Solomon.

Bill: Yes. Right.

Bob: Solomon only went back, what, 1000 BC? 900 BC?

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Somewhere in that vicinity. Anyhow, these stones are 40 feet long, 10 feet high, and 8 feet thick.

Bill: 40 by 10 by 8.

Bob: Forty feet long. Almost identical to the ones at Baalbek. I found that intriguing.

Bill: Yes. Thatís incredible. That is so interesting.

Bob: And the other thing that Barry Chamish has shared... [turns to Ken Elliott, a friend of Bob and ourselves] Did you ever meet Barry? Israeli UFO researcher. Heís very famous.

Ken Elliott: No, no.

Bob: Is that the Nephilim have been showing up all over the place. Thatís the word he used: Nephilim.

Bill: Now, what does that mean?

Bob: What I think it means? In Hebrew, it probably means the ďSons of God.Ē

Bill: Right.

Kerry: Itís synonymous with the Anunnaki.

Bill: Is it synonymous with the Anunnaki?

Bob: I think so.

Ken: I think so.

Bill: Itís a different word that was used by the Sumerians, isnít it?

Kerry: But, as you know, thatís a general term. So what do you think he meant?

Bob: Anyhow, theyíve had reports. One farmer there... Theyíve turned part of the Negev into a garden, with irrigation. Theyíve got incredible farms at the edge of the Negev Desert. It was a farmerís area, pretty good-sized piece of land, growing all kinds of things.

He hears a commotion outside in his garden and he flicks on the light which illuminates not only his doorstep but the yard out there. He opens the door and thereís this guy standing there, in some kind of a suit. He described it as kind of a space suit.

Kerry: Wow.

Bob: He was nine feet tall!

Bill: Yes. Anunnaki.

Kerry: Fabulous.

Bob: This farmer goes to his door and looks up at this guy, whoís this massive human being. He looks human - arms, legs, head inside a device of some kind. He looks up at this guy. Of course, his immediate instinct is to slam the door and run. And he did. He went back and told his wife and she said: Have you been drinking again? Or something like that.

Kerry: [laughs]

Bob: She goes to the front door, and of course there was no-one there. This is not just one incident. This has apparently happened three times.

Bill: Hm.

Bob: And so the word out among the Israeli UFO researchers is: The Nephilim are back.

Kerry: Okay, very interesting.

Miriam Delicado: That is very interesting.

Bill: Well, we donít know what they want yet, but theyíre showing up at peopleís houses. Thatís quite funny.

Kerry: Well, you know I had a very important dream about that.

Bob: The size of the individual was such that he intimidated the hell out of the farmer.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: But he disappeared. And this has happened, according to Chamish, about three times so far.

Bill: Incredible. Is this in the public domain anywhere?

Bob: In Israel.

Bill: It is in Israel.

Bob: Yes.

Bill: OK. So itís not like this is off record. This has actually been published.

Bob: The stones... the part about the stones has not been officially released.

Bill: OK. Is that anything that we can talk about, or is it off record?

Bob: No. By all means.

Bill: OK.

[Interchange: Bill and Kerry, concerning the best Dictaphone positioning. The uploaded audio begins here.]

Bob: Well, I think itís interesting, the fact that those stones... Iíve always been fascinated by the Baalbek stories. Iíve never been able to go there, you know. The years that I had Top Secret clearance I would never be allowed to go there. They wouldnít even let me go to Berlin, for Christís sake, when I was at SHAPE.

Kerry: Why not?

Bob: Because of my clearance. You see, Europe was divided, honey. Germany was divided.

Kerry: Right.

Bob: There was East Berlin, West Berlin. My kids were able to go to West Berlin on a tour because they were in high school. I wanted to go to West Berlin. I wanted to visit the Brandenburg Gate. I wanted to see a number of things.

I wanted to get into the Berlin Museum but that was in East Berlin because that had the Lolladoff Plate in it. That is an anomaly that is dynamite.

Bill: Whatís it called again?

Bob: Lolladoff.

Bill: The Lolladoff Plate.

Kerry: And whatís the significance of that?

Bob: Itís named after a Russian archeologist who brought it back from Tibet.

Bill: OK.

Bob: Before World War II began.

Kerry: And when is it dated?

Bob: They canít date it, honey. Itís a metallic substance that they canít even consider what it is.

Kerry: Oh.

Bill: Things like that canít be dated. Theyíre inorganic.

Bob: Iíve shown the Lolladoff Plate in my presentations a number of times and I have a slide of it.

Bill: Iíd like to check it out.

Bob: Which I will be delighted to share with you. I can get a print made of it. But the point is, the Lolladoff Plate was an anomaly with a little Gray on it and symbols all around.

Bill: OK.

Bob: Lolladoff brought it back from Tibet around 1930 or somewhere back then. And thatís in the Berlin Museum in East Berlin. Well, itís now just Berlin. But I couldnít even travel to Berlin when I was there because I had Cosmic clearance.

Kerry: I have a question for you, Bob. In your speech did I misunderstand you, or did you say that you had worked on aircraft carriers?

Bob: No. I have been on aircraft carriers. My son worked on aircraft carriers for 12 years.

Kerry: OK. So that was how you got on aircraft carriers.

Bob: Yes. I had two, what they know as Tiger cruises. Eric was at sea for 12 years. He served on four separate Nimitz class carriers.

Twice when they had completed their tour in the Pacific, Mediterranean, wherever, they would come back to Pearl [Harbor] and they would re-stage so to speak at Pearl. And the aircraft, the entire air wing on the carriers, would generally leave the carrier there at Pearl Harbor and fly directly back to Alameda, to their air base.

And then the ship would then proceed from Pearl Harbor on to Alameda, which is in San Francisco Bay, and they would invite family members of crew members to come aboard at Pearl Harbor and ride with them from Pearl Harbor to Alameda.

Kerry: Great.

Bob: And they called these Tiger cruises. And I have the privilege of being on two of them.

Kerry: How long does it take on one of those to go between the two?

Bob: Oh, they could make it in a short time, but it takes about a week. But they could make it in three days. Those damn carriers go so fast. Thatís another classified thing. No one knows how fast they can go.

Bill: We know they go fast.

Bob: Well, my son said one time they were playing with a Russian trawler in the Mediterranean. They were being shadowed, so the captain decided to play games with the Russian trawler. And they slammed this big nuclear-powered aircraft carrier - a thousand feet long - slammed it into high gear, whatever they do, you know...

Bill: [laughs] Right.

Bob: ...and the bow rose somewhat.

Bill: Really? Thatís hard to imagine.

Bob: Yes! And this massive carrier throws up what they call ďrooster tailsĒ.

Bill: Really?!

Bob: Really!

Bill: Thatís impossible to imagine!

Bob: Yes. Well, you know what a rooster tail is.

Bill: Yes. I do. Exactly, like you get with a little speedboat.

Bob: This massive carrier throws up rooster tails and this thing goes, and they left the Russian trawler way the hell back there. And the Russians, Iím sure, are saying: What are they doing? You know. And the captain of the carrier is playing a game.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Now theyíre not taking aircraft aboard and launching aircraft at this moment because they slow down for that.

Bill: Of course.

Bob: They threw up rooster tails, and Eric says it was really hilarious to be on the massive ship that he was on with 5,000 crewmen, for Godís sake. Can you imagine? A ship with 5,000 crew?

Bill: Thatís incredible to imagine. But you canít just do that with screw propellers, can you? They must be doing something else.

Kerry: Thereís special technology, isnít there? There would have to be.

Bob: Oh, they have nuclear power.

Bill: Well, yes.

Bob: They have nuclear power.

Kerry: No. But also to part the water in front of you. [To Bill[ Isnít that the technology that Henry [Deacon] was talking about? [To Bob] We have a witness that talked about this.

Bill: Yes. Henry was talking about that.

Bob: No, no. They didnít part the water. They just rose up in speedboat fashion. They turned on the power with these nuclear reactors. And they have, I think, four enormous 12- or 14-foot screws back there.

Now, can you imagine 12- and 14-foot screws? And there are four of them? Two on each side. And theyíre tied to two nuclear reactors? One reactor for two screws and another reactor for two screws, and they open it up, the power theyíve got. So anyway they walked away from the trawler, he said, and it was hilarious.

No one knows what theyíll do. Eric says: Pop, itís over 50 miles an hour along the ocean. Over 50 miles an hour!

Bill: We heard, actually, that these things can do 80 knots.

Bob: I wouldnít doubt that for a minute.

Bill: I mean, which is very hard to believe.

Bob: Listen, did I share something? What this commander told me at that cookout in Whidbey Island? This anti-submarine warfare officer that I had a chance to meet.

We were drinking beer and eating clams. This was when my son was assigned at Whidbey Island. His squadron was there. Whidbey Island is off the coast of Seattle there in Puget Sound. Beautiful place. But thereís this good-sized Naval base there.

And Iím visiting the Whidbey Island at the time. It was kind of a sad story because my wife, Ericís mother, and I were in the process of getting a divorce and weíd gone up there to share that with Eric, to lay it out why we were divorcing.

Anyhow, during the cookout and the party and weíre all having a few, I bring up the subject of submarines, the Soviet submarine threat, because Iíd been reading about it, you know. The Soviets had been building massive Typhoon type subs.

And I asked the young man at the time, I said: Are you guys able to stay on top of those things? I mean, do you monitor them well?

And he was in anti-submarine warfare and thatís where... The state of the art in those days was that they would drop these electronic, electromagnetic buoys, and then the buoy would radio to the plane and the guys were flying around in the planes monitoring the buoy and the buoyís telling them whatís underneath. You know that story.

Bill: What year was this? About?

Bob: In the early í90s. After í91, before í95. Somewhere in there.

Bill: OK.

Kerry: So what did he say?

Bob: Anyhow, I said: Are you guys on top of the Soviets? Are you following them? He says: Mr. Dean, he says, the minute they pull out of harbor, weíre with them all the way.

Bill: Right.

Bob: We monitor them from the moment they leave harbor until they go back.

Bill: Of course. Yes.

Bob: He says: The Soviets are no problem. He says: Theyíre big, theyíre cumbersome, theyíre good, theyíre fast. We donít...

Kerry: We have a witness that says there are some submarines, though, off the coast of California right now.

Bob: Well, there used to be Soviet subs on both coasts. They used to be on permanent station off the west coast, off the east coast. And every time theyíd take up station, weíd know exactly where they were. And, literally, if push had come to shove, we could have eliminated them immediately.

And some of them are what they call boomers. They launch missiles. And the Soviets got pretty good at it before they... well, theyíre still good at it.

Bill: Sure.

Bob: You know, the SS-18 that I knew about before I retired from FEMA was... I lived in Tucson and the SS-18 had targeted Tucson because we had Titan missiles all around us there for a long time.

But getting back to the story, I asked this young man: Are the Soviets a threat? And he said: No, not at all. We monitor them closely. We know where they are at any time. He says: They show up big on our sonar, the whole nine yards.

We had emplaced sonar devices all over the Atlantic and all over the Pacific - God knows how much it cost - where we could monitor anything that was going on under the surface, on the surface.

Like Denny Blair said one time, he said to a Chinese admiral... He says: I own the water and I own the air above the water. So donít talk threateningly to me. And Denny Blair at that time was a 4-star admiral who was PAC COM, or CINC COM, Pacific commander-in-chief. CINCPAC, I think he called it.

Anyhow, getting on with the story, let me finish this. He says: The one thing that interests us the most that we cannot figure out, he says, are the underwater objects that are the size of aircraft carriers that are traveling over 200 miles an hour.

And he says: That is our primary concern at the moment. He says: We donít know who they are, what they are, and what theyíre doing down there, but, he says, theyíre traveling at enormous rates of speed under water and theyíre the size of aircraft carriers.

Bill: Mm hm...

Kerry: Incredible.

Bob: And he says: Some of our naval scientists are beginning to suspect that theyíre the cause of what you know of as ďrogue wavesĒ.

Bill: OK. Hm.

Bob: He says: Do you know what a rogue wave is?

I says: Well, Iíve heard about them. They come out of nowhere and they can turn ships upside-down. On a calm sea, you know, thereís nothing out there, and all of a sudden thereís an 80-foot wave comes in. If the ship doesnít hit it prow-on, it sometimes can turn a good-sized vessel sideways or upside-down.

He says: But that troubles us.

And this was in the early í90s. We donít really know what they are, who they are, or what theyíre up to. All we know is theyíre fast and theyíre big.

And I said: Well, I got a nagging suspicion of who they might be. [laughs] But I... you know, Iím not an expert. Iím not really quotable. I could tell you who I think they might be. Iíd come out of the closet, as it were, in í91 and I was speaking publicly about this phenomenon then. But thatís a little tidbit that I have on my list of tidbits.

Bill: Thatís a lovely story. But if those were ET craft that can just go through the water like they can go through the air, that itís a fluid makes no difference, then you would expect them to be able to go much faster than that.

Bob: Probably.

Bill: They could go as fast as they wanted to.

Bob: Considering, Bill, that they build... they put a field around themselves.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Essentially they are not part of the physical reality at that moment.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: They are within a field that they have generated. And they do that out there.

Bill: Exactly. Yes.

Bob: And that field protects and insulates them and they can go as fast as they want within that field. And essentially what weíre monitoring is the field moving.

Bill: Exactly. Yes.

Bob: OK. Youíve done your homework.

Bill: Yes, sure. Actually, 200 mph would be pretty slow compared with what their capability would be.

Bob: Well, thatís what he shared with me.

Kerry: And this admiral had how many stars? How many stars did this admiral you were talking to have?

Bob: At the time, this was a commander.

Kerry: Tell me the number of stars.

Bob: Commander... No, they donít wear stars. Admirals wear stars.

Kerry: He wasnít an Admiral. Iím sorry, is Admiral above or below Commander?

Bob: Well, let me give you a quick rundown here. My kid entered the service as an Ensign, a little gold bar. In the Army weíd call that a Second Lieutenant. The next rank up is Lieutenant Junior Grade, a little silver bar. In the Army we call that First Lieutenant.

The next step in the Navy would be Lieutenant Commander, thatís a little gold oak leaf. In the Army weíd call that a Major. The next rank up in the Navy is Commander, wearing a silver oak leaf. And in the Army we call that rank Lieutenant Colonel.

The next rank up in the Navy is Captain, wearing a little silver eagle, four stripes on his sleeve. In the Army we call that a Full Colonel, ďBird ColonelĒ. The next step would be Brigadier General, one star. Major General, two stars. Lieutenant General, 3 stars. And General, 4 stars.

The Admirals in the Navy: Rear Admiral, one star. Rear Admiral Second Grade, 2 stars. Vice Admiral, 3 stars. And Full Admiral, 4 stars.

Bill: OK.

Kerry: OK. Thank you very much for that.

Bob: Youíre welcome.

Kerry: We have gotten information from someone saying that they think there was some problem with the Navyís control of the ET situation sometime over the last year, where they seem to be losing ground or losing power within the factions, you know, Army vs. Navy vs. Air Force. Is that true? It doesnít ring true to me. But I wondered if youíve heard anything about that.

Bob: All Iíve known is that at the very beginning of the whole damn thing that the Navy has been the primary service in this whole thing. And I donít know where it began. Probably back to the fact that the Navy recovered a UFO off the coast of San Diego in 1941.

Kerry: And weíve never heard that story. Can you elaborate on that one?

Bob: A lot of researchers are well aware of it. You know, you all hear about Roswell and all that hoopdeedoo about Roswell, and nobody seems to grasp that there wasnít one crash and retrieval. There were three crashes and retrievals. And there have been crashes and retrievals all over the country, and all over the planet, for years.

And the military even reached the point some years ago, which many of us who were in the service knew about, is that they didnít think they were crashing. They thought they were giving us hardware.

Bill: Hm...

Kerry: [laughs]

Bob: Because in some places they found the object on the desert floor, or wherever, fully intact. And in some cases there was remnants of a crew aboard. And in other cases the object was empty, no crew to be found.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And they really began to be suspicious when they saw that. And they began, a couple of them said: Hey, itís like theyíre giving us this hardware.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Theyíre handing us this technology. And in the cases of where there were little Grays aboard... And youíve heard me say this, and this is common knowledge among researchers, that there were little Grays aboard.

There were survivors; there were two or three dead; one or two were still alive. They hauled them off to where the hell is it? Wright-Patterson. They had labs there at the time. They have labs everywhere now. There are labs up the road here.

Kerry: Yes. Absolutely. [laughs]

Bob: The point is, they kept expecting them to come back to retrieve their little crew.

Bill: And they should easily have been able to.

Bob: And of course they could have done it any time they wanted.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And they didnít. And several cynics said: Hell, they didnít give a damn one way or the other about retrieving that little guy. Because those little guys in many cases were not an evolved species.

The crash in northern Germany in 1962, Timmendorfer Strand, on the Baltic. There were twelve little bodies aboard and the physicians who autopsied them said they were absolutely identical and not one of them appeared to have anything that we could recognize as a reproductive organ. So they began to be suspicious that they might be laboratory products.

Bill: And expendable.

Bob: And the ones they grabbed at Roswell and Kingman and a couple other places. Right across the river over there in Kingman, Arizona, there was a crash.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: They retrieved two of the little guys who were alive. They took íem back. They kept thinking that ďTheyĒ were going to come back and get them. And the cynics said: Hell, they just wrote them off. Like the joke about the potato chips, they went back and made more.

Bill: Yes

Bob: Now that is... I find that kind of sad, really. When you create an advanced creature that has the capability of functioning as a crew member of a ship, the question that I come up with that troubles me somewhat from a spiritual point of view - is there a level of sentience in that creature? That someone would just write them off and let them go and leave them alone and forget it?

Kerry: Well, our Mr. X said...

Bob: And then I had an experience in Southeast Asia when I found out... [long pause] ... Excuse me. We left guys behind in íNam. [voice choked up] Iím sorry. Forgive me. We left them behind knowingly.

Bill: Yes.

Voice: And they knew it going in.

Bob: We signed this deal with the North Vietnamese. We had made a promise that when we began to withdraw from Vietnam we were going to give the North Vietnamese a couple of billion dollars in reparations. Did you know that story?

Bill: No, I didnít.

Bob: We were going to give them a couple of billion, so-called reparations for the damage we had done over Hanoi. Well, we never gave them a dime because our political people back in Washington got into a big knock-down drag-out brawl and said: Not only no, but hell no. Weíre not giving them anything.

Well when we said that, the North Vietnamese said: Well, screw you. You can kiss your boys goodbye. And there were several hundred of them.

Bill: Yes. Sure. And they were regarded as being less valuable than...

Bob: They wrote them off like they didnít have any value. And I served for 27 years in the Army and I never met a man, Bill, in all my years of service, that did not have value.

Bill: Of course.

Bob: The idea weíd leave them behind knowingly, and telling their next of kin that theyíre missing in action or theyíre killed in action, and those guys were in prison camps, alive, and could have been repatriated.

Well then, this commentary about these little Grays began to make some sense. They wrote them off. They went back and made more.

Well, if you want to be a total cynic, as Iíve almost become over the years, we went back and made more.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And some of the ones we made are now dying in Iraq.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: I have a grandson dying in Kansas, after his second tour in Iraq.

Kerry: Oh really.

Bob: His heart is coming apart. His brain was scrambled.

Kerry: What from? Do you know?

Bob: One of those whatever they call it, those improvised...

Kerry: Bio-warfare?

Bob: IED. Theyíre bombs. They blow up. They improvise them; they put íem beside the road.

Bill: Improvised Explosive Device.

Bob: There you are. IED. Anyhow, one went off right next to his personnel carrier. Killed a couple of his friends; shook him up. His brain was bruised and damaged, but the damage to his heart, they canít... The VAís got him under a complete care and support in Kansas, some clinic out there. My youngest grandson.

But over the years you see these things. Weíve got people in government, for Godís sake, that are capable of almost anything.

And Iíve had these young women come up to me... well, theyíre not so young anymore. They come up to me, who have been grabbed and used in these experiments, for Godís sake. Youíve probably talked to some of them. And they come up and share with me heartbreaking stories because they know that I can understand, and I will be sympathetic or at least compassionate enough to listen to them.

Weíve got a government which I said Sunday: If you people think you know the government youíve got, you donít know the government youíve got.

You talk about Black Government, Shadow Government. It doesnít matter what term you use. There are professionals in power that function as government that no one ever elected, that is not responsible or accountable to anybody, not to the House or the Senate or to the President or the American people. And many of them are in the intelligence agencies.

Kerry: But Bob, have you come across any overt Nazism in your experience?

Bob: Hell yes. Donít you know that NASA was formed by Nazis?

Kerry: Well, we do, actually.

Bob: Well, thatís fairly common knowledge. You just never realized how vast it was.

Kerry: All right.

Bob: You didnít realize how... You all know about Wernher von Braun. Wernher was just the number-one guy in that program. There were at least a dozen if not more Nazis who were brought in under...

Kerry: Did you know any of them?

Bob: ...Paperclip. And many of them were prosecutable, who should have been held up in front of the Nuremburg trials. And we had them here and we gave them high pay, bought them beautiful homes; brought them and their families, and they worked for the NASA program for years.

Well, it wasnít merely NASA. We had a number of them working in Central Intelligence. As a matter of fact, the CIA was an offshoot of an old organization; I forget the name of it.

Kerry: The OSS. [Office of Strategic Services]

Bob: Strategic Service. That was built on a Nazi profile. That was built on a Nazi plan. And the old OSS had a whole bunch of Nazis in it. So that when the war was over, we had planeloads of Nazis being flown out Germany, for Christís sake, to the United States, being treated like celebrities.

Bill: Yes, thatís true.

Bob: The only thing that never came out Ė their names. We brought Nazis with their families and thereís a big joke going around ... oh there are Nazis in Argentina. Bullshit. There are Nazis in Washington, DC. There are Nazis in Hollywood, in Beverly Hills.

But most of the old guys are gone now but their heirs are alive and well. Many of them are in government. And if I were, if had my notes at hand, I could probably name a few for you.

I got up in front... Well, you were there. Didnít you see me Sunday?

Kerry: Yes.

Bob: I stood up in front and held this folder filled with... Hereís my notes. I didnít even get one-third of the way through there.

I wanted to share another tidbit with you while I think about it because, you know... my mind at this stage. You push my button and I go dancing around here. The point is there was another piece of information I found tremendously interesting. A researcher by the name of Tellinger in South Africa.

Bill: Michael Tellinger.

Bob: You know Michael?

Bill: Not personally.

Bob: Oh, heís brilliant.

Bill: Iíve listened to his story and seen his stuff.

Bob: Well, have you heard the story heís telling now? South African archeologists have discovered what they think are Anunnaki laboratories.

Bill: Yep.

Bob: Adjacent to an ancient gold mine.

Bill: Thatís 70,000 years old.

Bob: At least.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: I find that interesting.

Bill: Thatís interesting stuff.

Bob: Now, what a laboratory would look like to an archeologist after 70,000 years, [Kerry laughs] I canít imagine. But the very word was used. Tellinger said that apparently they discovered what appears to be the remnants of an ancient laboratory adjacent to an ancient gold mine. I didnít hear the term 70,000 years. I just heard that it was ancient.

Bill: Itís at least 70,000 years old.

Bob: Really.

Bill: What I heard was about a year ago. They found some clearly artificial stone structures that were so old that the mainstream archeologists couldnít believe that they werenít natural. But if you look at them, youíve got what Tellinger describes as South Africaís Stonehenge.

Bob: Or older.

Bill: Yes. Much, much older.

Bob: As colorful as Stonehenge is, itís not that big. There are things out there... Are you familiar with Nabta Playa? The site in Egypt?

Bill: No. Iím not.

Bob: In southern Egypt? Nabta Playa? Oh my gosh! Theyíve discovered remnants of what was apparently a calendar in the desert.

Bill: A calendar?

Bob: A calendar. A stone calendar thatís laid out in the desert at a place in southern Egypt, west of the Nile. Iím trying to place how it is according to... whereís the dam?

Bill: The Aswan Dam?

Bob: Itís south of Aswan and west of the river. And they found this site called Nabta Playa. They estimate the age of this thing is 150,000 years old. But itís a stone calendar. And when they recorded that and measured it and checked it out... and theyíve done that.

Thereís a book out called The Origin Map.

Bill: Right.

Bob: OK? I canít remember the name of the author. [ed. note: Thomas Brophy]. But you can find the book. The Origin Map. This stone calendar apparently has a detailed map, not only of the solar system, but the galaxy.

Bill: Oh wonderful.

Bob: It maps the galaxy! And they can determine the age of it because, by taking and computerizing what they found, the location and placement, they can age it, like going back, and thatís when they figured it was over 100,000 years old.

A map of the galaxy! Get the book, The Origin Map.

Bill: OK. Gotcha.

Bob: The writer escapes me. Find the book, read the book, then find the author and interview him. What an interview that would be!

Kerry: Absolutely. Bob, I want to ask you a question. We saw Sitchin in L.A.

Bob: Yes.

Kerry: And he said to the audience... An audience member asked him if the reason we went into Iraq was because of the Anunnaki. And he hemmed and hawed and then he finally said: Yes.

Bob: He said Yes? Iím not surprised.

Kerry: Yes. What do you know about that?

Bill: What his exact words were is Ė because I have a good memory for details of conversations Ė the question was: Is the war in Iraq connected in any way with the Anunnaki? And he paused for a long time. And then he said: This answer is full of landmines, but yes. And then he didnít say any more.

Bob: That old codger! I have tremendous admiration and respect for him.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: But Iím not at all surprised.

Bill: What did he mean? [laughs]

Bob: Well, let me tell you what he might have meant. I can tell you from what limited knowledge I have. I can tell you that most of the gang that tore apart and went through the Baghdad Museum...

Kerry: Mm hm...

Bob: ...were our people.

Bill: Of course.

Bob: Oh, you knew that.

Kerry: Well, we figure...

Bill: Thatís been heavily surmised by people trying to figure out what was really going on there.

Bob: Oh yes, they were our people. And that Lieutenant Colonel, or Colonel, that Marine Colonel that we put there in charge of the museum? You know who Iím talking about?

Bill: I donít, actually.

Bob: We put a Marine Colonel in charge of the museum to look after it and hopefully regain all of the stuff that had been looted.

Bill: OK.

Bob: And to safeguard it after the mob had left.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Well that Lieu... This is probably going to get my ass into a jam, but that Marine Colonel knew exactly who those people in that mob were.

Bill: OK.

Bob: And they went in that museum and they walked away with specific items.

Bill: Specific items?

Bob: They had a list...

Bill: Yes.

Bob: ...of what to bring back from that museum.

Bill: Yes. Shocking.

Bob: And so much of what was stolen [is] irreplaceable, worth its weight in gold, or platinum, or...

Kerry: But the question is, they took it somewhere.

Bob: Cylinder stones.

Bill: Yes, exactly.

Kerry: But you know, Dan Burisch says that we have the Looking Glass technology on those cylinder stones. And thatís time-travel technology that you can get off the stones.


And thereís a stargate underneath in Iraq.

Bob: Kerry, when you travel in space, you travel in time. You cannot separate space-time. Space-time, time-space, space-time, itís all the same. You cannot travel out there without traveling in time.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Time is not at all what we think. And youíve heard this again and again and again, and Iíve been working to try to get my mind to wrap around it and I canít. But that yesterday and today and tomorrow, itís all the same. Thereís only one eternal Now.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Now I canít wrap my poor old brain around that. [To Bill] Perhaps you can. [To Kerry] You ought to interview this guy [Bill] sometime.

Kerry: Oh, weíre going to.

Bob: Donít put him on the... donít let him do the interview. You interview him!

Kerry: OK! [laughs]

Bob: Because Iíve already intuitively picked up on this dude that he knows a hell of a lot more than heís ever shared with anybody!

Kerry: Exactly.

Bob: I bring something up and he knows all about it already.

Ken: His poor old nimble brain sure draws a crowd, doesnít it?

Bob: Anyhow. Where were we? Oh, we were at Nabta Playa.

Kerry: No, we were in Iraq, and the Anunnaki.

Bill: The cylinder seals.

Bob: Yes. The cylinder seals.

Kerry: And the Anunnaki.

Bob: Yes, well look, honey. I said this Sunday, didnít I? The Anunnaki are all around us. It was that crew that met Ike in í54 at Muroc. That was the Anunnaki, the same group that built Ur. Itís the same group that built the ziggurat that poor old John Paul II wanted to visit before he died.

Miriam: I donít know even a quarter of... I donít even know an eighth of what you all know and understand, but as youíre talking about this I seem to recall someone, somewhere, sharing with me that the indigenous people all over the world are starting to have people visiting, trying to dig up their sites, and they are looking for technologies.

I am under the impression from my contact that Iíve had, that part of this is Ė the reasoning behind it is Ė that thereís an ultimate device that they are trying to find all of the parts for that are all over the Earth. What do you know about that?

Bob: Whoís doing the digging?

Miriam: Iím not sure what group it is thatís doing the digging but itís definitely... itís definitely, you know, an organization.

Bob: A human, a national entity of some kind?

Miriam: Yes, absolutely.

Bob: All right. Well, Iím not surprised. I wouldnít be at all surprised. They have learned that there is knowledge of ancient societiesí traditions. You know, just to give you a brief example of the Dogon in Africa who knew all about Ė what the hellís the planet or the star out there?

Bill: Sirius.

Miriam: The dog star.

Bob: Sirius A and Sirius B. We didnít discover Sirius B until what, 30 years ago? And the Dogon knew about it.

Bill: They knew all about it for thousands of years.

Bob: I mean thatís a tiny example. And the Nabta Playa thing out there in the desert. The stuff that was rifled out of the museum in Baghdad.

Kerry: What about the idea of a stargate in Iraq?

Bob: I donít think itís there anymore, because they donít need it. Stargates can be opened at any time, at any place by them, at their choosing. They open a portal any time they want. And if you donít believe me, read The Search for the Skin Walker. [ed. note: The Hunt for the Skinwalker] You know who George Knapp is? I hope you interview him.

Bill: Itís the Skinwalker Ranch.

Bob: The Skinwalker Ranch up in Utah.

Kerry: Yes, Iíve heard him speak about it.

Bob: Bob Bigelow who Iíve known for some years, billionaire in Vegas up here, paid out of pocket to establish a research center up there at the Skinwalker Ranch for years and years and years. And the book that George Knapp and the British scientist - I canít remember the name of the guy that worked with him [ed. note: Colm Kelleher] - was under contract with Bigelow for many years. The name is escaping me.

The Skinwalker Ranch story was just the tiny tip of a large iceberg. That particular location apparently was a site selected by them. Thereís some of them out there Ė and they come and go off that particular location and have been doing it for centuries.

The Indians have these stories that go back hundreds of years of ďThe OthersĒ coming through these doorways. Well, they open the doorways any time and any place they want.

I donít think thereís anything left in Baghdad or in Iraq. I could be wrong. There could be something underground that hasnít been dug up yet. I know we had a team over there digging like hell in Ur.

Miriam: Exactly. Yes.

Bob: I had the newspaper article, and Iíve got it with me, from the New York Times of poor old John Paul wanting, asking for Godís sake, asking Saddam Hussein for permission...

Bill: Yes.

Bob: ...to make what the Vatican considered a holy Ė what was the word that I...?

Kerry: Pilgrimage.

Bob: A holy pilgrimage to Ur!

Bill: Thatís as weird as it gets, isnít it?

Bob: Now, when you consider the meaning first of all, of pilgrimage and holy Ė and this was in the release; the Vatican said this Ė a holy pilgrimage to Ur before he died.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And he asked Saddam Hussein for permission and the son of a bitch turned him down, wouldnít allow him to come.

But the point is, what motivated John Paul II to want to make his pilgrimage to Ur? Could it have been the information that [Archbishop James] McIntyre gave to Pope Pius II?

Kerry: Exactly.

Bob: Because of the event that happened up at Muroc in í54?

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: But we have information the Vaticanís also had visitations from a certain group.

Bob: Oh! Oh! Listen, they have! Of course! Iíve got it in my file. I wanted to get to it Sunday and didnít have time. I have a good friend in Rome, Cristoforo Barbato.

Bill: Barbato? You know him?

Kerry: Heís a friend of yours?

Bob: Yes, Iíve known Cris for years.

Bill: You know him personally. OK.

Kerry: Weíve been trying to interview him.

Bob: Oh, heís a dear young man. Heís bright and delightful. I consider him a good friend.

Bill: He told us he didnít speak English.

Bob: Oh, bullshit. [laughter]

Kerry: I canít believe that.

Bob: Excuse me Cris, Iím sorry!

Bill: OK.

Bob: Well, he doesnít speak it that well.

Bill: OK.

Bob: He understands it.

Kerry: He may not write it... He doesnít write it that well.

Bill: OK. Thatís true, actually.

Bob: All right. Youíve talked to Cris, then?

Bill: No, we havenít. We spoke to Luca Scantamburlo.

Kerry: Weíve exchanged emails with Cristoforo.

Bob: Lucaís supposed to be here.

Bill: Luca?!

Bob: Lucaís supposed to be here. Get with...

Bill: We need to find out if... whether Lucaís here before we go. OK.

Kerry: Heís not on the list to speak.

Bill: No, heís not on the list to speak. Um, Paola [Harris] would know.

Bob: Yes. Talk to Paola. Talk to Paola because I think...

Bill: Letís find out if heís here.

Kerry: So what is Cristoforo telling you? I mean, he knows all about Nibiru. Is he part of the...

Bob: Well, Cris has gotten most of his information from a couple of close friends who are Jesuits. And Iíve known Jesuits for years. I used to sit and drink and have big parties with Jesuits when I ran an Officerís Club in Nuremburg years ago during the Occupation. And the Jesuits are the scholars of Catholicism.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And they not only run the intelligence service, which I jokingly said Sunday is probably one of the worldís finest, if not the finest because every damned Catholic priest in the world is a member of the, you know, feeding information into the intelligence service.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: So the Vaticanís got unpaid agents all over the damned place.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Anyhow, Cris has got this connection with these Jesuits in Rome and theyíre members of this, apparently, this Vatican security organization. And they reached out to him. He didnít reach out to them, they reached out to him. Itís happened to me time and time again over my years.

And they wanted him to... because they knew he had people who listened to him, he had connections within the UFO community, as it were. And they wanted him to know they are deeply, deeply involved with the Tenth Planet.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And that the Vatican is deeply concerned about it.

Kerry: Is there a chance itís disinfo? Planted purposely?

Bob: Oh, you always have to face that, that you have in intelligence operations over the years you always have the problem of disinformation. Our authorities are good at it. Thereís always that possibility.

Kerry: The Vatican must be good at that as well.

Bob: But the problem is, in such things you learn to sift and weigh and evaluate, and you check other sources and you compare this source with that source, and you try to end up intuitively grasping for yourself: Is there any validity to this?

And after a time, and you work at it, and you learn after a while to get pretty good at it because you develop your own inner gut feeling - which they call intuition - that this is going good and that isn't. And Iíve learned over the years, the hard way, to weigh and sift and figure out what was right. I think the story is basically true.

Kerry: OK.

Bob: Iíve assumed, from what I...

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: Does Barbato think itís true?

Bob: Cris thinks itís true.

Kerry: OK.

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: But heís gone into hiding. We were told they tried to get him fired from his job. In fact he lost his job. He couldnít get another job. Did you hear that? Because he writes for magazines and they wouldnít Ė they closed him down. He was talking too much.

Bob: Cris has had bumpy roads along the way and I donít want to put this on tape.

Kerry: All right.

Bill: OK.

Kerry: But isnít this the Vaticanís tactics? You know they broke into our car when we were parked in the Milan airport.

Bob: Iím not surprised.

Kerry: And it was right after we talked to Luca Scantamburlo. They thought we had something. They thought heíd given us something. He didnít give us anything. But he was talking about Nibiru.

Bob: You realize what a dynamite subject this is to the Vatican?

Bill: Oh yes.

Miriam: By the way, the Vatican is a very interesting place.

Bob: Yes, they wouldnít let me in.

Kerry: Have you been there?

Miriam: I think I was there last night in my visions.

Bill: OK.

Bob: I was denied access.

Kerry: Weíll talk later, OK?

Miriam: You got that, right?

Bob: I hope I didnít say something too offensive.

Miriam: Not at all. I can just feel someone calling me back to that room.

Ken: Iíve got to go, too.

Miriam: I just want to say thank you, because this is the first time Iíve had an opportunity to meet you and I understand now why people think so highly of you. Youíre very...

Bob: I wish I understood it. [laughs]

Miriam: You are always weighing the possibilities and itís such an important aspect to keep in this field. And I just want to say thank you.

Bob: Let me just say one thing in closing. Itís all a spiritual matter. You know that.

Miriam: Thatís the only thing

Bob: It has nothing to do with guys coming and going from different places.

Miriam: It has nothing to do with it. And Kerry and Bill are supporters of that, fully.

Bob: Oh, they know that.

Miriam: And that is what I talk about to everyone that gives me the opportunity to do so. So thank you.

Bob: Thank you.

Miriam: And I would love to stay but I feel someone calling me back to that room.

Kerry: Actually you need to watch our interview with him. Weíve got two very long interviews.

Bob: Yes.

Kerry: Fabulous.

Miriam: OK. I will watch all of them in detail. And the only other thing to say in closing is that there is mining going on all over the planet and everyone has this idea that itís being done for gold and silver and all of these other matters. But I have a feeling that that is actually not whatís going on.

If you take a look at the locations where all of this pit mining is going on or where theyíre trying to go, a lot of these areas are sacred places. And I believe it is because they are trying to find the way underground, not just to an underground base or to create one, but to the actual underground. And theyíre trying to see if itís real. Thatís what theyíre trying to do.

Bob: Well if they wanted to ask me some advice I would tell them to go to Mount Hayes, Alaska and just try to start mining. You know whatís under Mount Hayes? [laughs] Iím sorry.

Miriam: I know itís a...

Bob: Iím teasing you.

Miriam: A base?

Bob: There is a major ET facility under Mount Hayes in Alaska.

Miriam: Yes. Mm hm... Well, I know that theyíve been in certain areas where theyíve been trying to get to, and I personally know of at least two locations where there are bases underground. Three, actually, that Iíve never talked about, ever. And I wonít share that publicly.

But I do know of three locations and that theyíve been trying for years to get mining into those areas and theyíve been stopped every time.

Bob: Well, itís a hell of a... Theyíre not going to succeed. If they dig in the wrong place, theyíre up the creek.

Miriam: They are. Theyíre totally up the creek.

Bob: If they were to try mining in Mount Perdido in the Pyrenees, they would run into a real mess.

Bill: Yes. How do you know this, Bob, about Mount Hayes and Perdido? Where does your information come from?

Bob: A variety of sources. Thereís one remote viewer that I probably evaluate and trust.

Ken: Iím going to catch up with you later. Thank you. Have a good trip.

Bill: Thank you.

Ken: And Iím here to testify that Bob Dean is alive. He is not dead again.

Bob: Oh, thatís a rumor! Thatís only a rumor. Youíve got to interview Ingo Swann.

Kerry: Oh, you know it! I love the guy. I mean, weíre trying to interview him for a long, long time. I think heís the best out there.

Bob: Let me tell you a little vignette here, and then I have to go to the Gentlemanís Lounge because Iím need of a Ė what is it they call it? A flash of illumination? [laughter] And I have to go to the menís room to get it, you see.

Ingo was taken to Mount Hayes by a chap by the name of James Axelrod...

Bill: Oh yes.

Bob: ...who at the time was Director of Special Programs in the CIA. James Axelrod Ė I donít know, James may be dead now. Obamaís got an Axelrod in his staff! I donít know whether theyíre related or not. Could be.

But James Axelrod was the Director of Special Programs in CIA for some years ago, took old Ingo, after interviewing, using him, asking him to assist them in some of their remote viewing - which he did. Gave them information on the Moon that blew them away.

The point is, they took Ingo up to Mount Hayes to purposely demonstrate and show him the coming-in of a massive ET ship.

Bill: OK.

Bob: And they watched it materialize over a lake...

Bill: I heard that story.

Bob: ...at the base of Mount Hayes.

Bill: I heard that story. Yes.

Bob: OK. Now, Ingo didnít at the time know where the hell he was, so he didnít know where Mount Hayes was or anything like it. But the ship materialized and it came in through time.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: It wasnít just a space ship; it was a time ship. And Axelrod did it purposely to show Ingo what they were dealing with. And if you want to know about underground bases, the guy who first began to find out all about them was... Price.

Bill: Pat Price.

Bob: Pat Price. Patís gone for years now.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: He was a cop. Loved to have known him. He was my kind of guy. Pat was the one Ė they said that theyíd never got a remote viewer as accurate as Price had been.

He came up initially with these locations, and he came up with four of them. One at Pine Gap, the other one at Mount Perdido, the other one underground in Zimbabwe.

Bill: Oh really! I havenít heard that one.

Bob: Well, Iíve got notes. Iíve even got map photographs of these locations in my files. It was in Alaska, Perdido in the Pyrenees, Pine Gap, Zimbabwe.

Iíve learned from my connections with intelligence, and the Navy people primarily, that there is a major ET facility on a mountain in Puerto Rico. And there is a massive undersea location off Puerto Rico in a place called the Puerto Rican Trench.

Bill: Yes, which is very deep.

Kerry: Yes, theyíre actually filming Ė I donít know if itís Jaime or someone else Ė thereís a film-maker who films UFOs, the evidence of the UFOs going in and out of the water. Right?

Bob: Well, apparently they come in, in a lake. They come out of a lake in Puerto Rico.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Thereís a place called Cabo San Lucas, I think in Puerto Rico, which is just...

Kerry: Cabo San Lucas is in Baja.

Bob: Well, thereís also...

Kerry: So maybe itís the same name.

Bob: Maybe Iím wrong, but it sounds like Cabo San Lucas.

Kerry: Itís quite possible.

Bob: But thereís a major ET facility there. And the one that I find most intriguing is the major US-ET joint operation in the Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific.

Bill: Yes. Iíve heard that. Kwajalein.

Bob: We have a joint facility there on Kwajalein with them. I would say itís mostly with the same group.

Kerry: Which group?

Bob: The Anunnaki .

Kerry: The Anunnaki, meaning the tall...

Bob: Well, thatís generic.

Kerry: I mean, because some of these bases are Gray bases.

Bob: Well, there are two Grays, you know. There are two groups of Grays.

There are Grays that appear to be an evolved species. You know, they bleed, they reproduce like we do. Theyíre almost human in a sense. Theyíre five feet, sometimes taller, five and a half. Their skinís not gray, itís kind of an off-white.

Kerry: But their agendas...

Bob: They have round eyes.

Kerry: ...are different.

Bob: And they are apparently benevolent people.

Bill: Yes. Yes.

Bob: But so are the ones supposedly from the Pleiades. Are they benevolent? The indications weíve received from people I say I trust...

Kerry: Yes.

Bob: ...is that...

Kerry: Itís just there are some that are not, so itís important to make the distinction.

Bob: Listen, there are different groups with different agendas and theyíre not in total agreement with each other. However, thank God, thanking the big cheese in this, there are at least two groups, perhaps three, that are supportive of us, that would like to see us survive as a species.

Kerry: Yes.

Bob: And they appear to be working together.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: Although they may have separate agendas, they do have an agreement or an understanding among themselves that theyíre going to have to help bring the human race through our transition here. Which is not easy.

Yes, youíre right, there are different groups with different agendas. Iíve been told that they all have their own agendas. And some of them are not so nice.

Kerry: Right.

Bob: We have encountered some that are not nice at all. I donít mean to say that they are purposefully malevolent. They just donít like human beings. They look upon us like the...

A commander told me about two he worked with outside of Nellis. Theyíre working with us, they respect us, they know that we have a potential to be better than we are. They want to see us make it.

But there are others that couldnít care less whether we make it or not. They are so advanced, apparently, not only technologically but spiritually and socially, theyíre at a point where they have very little compassion for us as a primitive species.

Now how much compassion do we show to chimpanzees in the zoo? How much compassion do we show to monkeys in the wild?

Bill: Yes.

Bob: You know, do we show compassion to the Bonobo Ė or whatever you call it? That group of chimps that are apparently one step beyond regular chimps? The Bonobo Ė is those the ones that walk upright?

Bill: Yes.

Bob: How much compassion do we show to them? We put needles in them; we put them in laboratories.

Kerry: Well, OK, but a lack of compassion is a lack of evolvement in a species...

Bob: I think so.

Kerry: ...regardless of how evolved they are technologically.

Bill: Right. Just because youíre technologically smart doesnít mean youíre spiritually wise.

Bob: Yes. They donít go together necessarily.

Kerry: The name of the game is itís a spiritual game in the final analysis. And theyíre not winning that game just because theyíre technologically advanced.

Bob: No, theyíre not.

Kerry: And thatís why theyíre here Ė part of the reason.

Bob: It could be why they donít like us very much. Because we human beings appear to have a spark.

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: Absolutely.

Bob: Humans have a spark of divinity within. Now Iím not saying this Ė and Iím not telling you with any authority, but Iím telling you there could be species out there that do not have that spark of divinity.

And the question is: Do they have a conscience? And the theological people will say: Do they have a soul? Hell, I donít know. Iíve often wondered whether I had a soul. And until I began my remote viewing and had my out-of-body experiences, I was never quite certain of it.

But I do know now. Yes indeed, I do have a soul. And so do you, and so do you.

Bill: I know that for sure.

Bob: I know you know that.

Bill: Bob, I want to ask you two quick questions, because we have to go, and so do you. One question is about Ike and Muroc in 1954. Was there another meeting at Holloman?

Bob: Yes.

Bill: Because some people talk about Holloman as well.

Bob: Oh yes.

Bill: So there were two meetings. One was at Muroc and one was at Holloman.

Bob: Yes. Holloman.

Bill: Which one was first? Muroc was first?

Bob: Muroc, I think, was the first one, in í54. Holloman was í52 or í53, maybe. [Ed note: Bob meant to say í54, or í55.] I think Michael Salla has a list.

Bill: OK.

Bob: If youíve followed him, you saw his presentation? I donít know whether thatís totally accurate or not. It may be. But there have been meetings at several bases over the years at different places.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And they were not all with the same group.

Bill: Of course. Yes.

Bob: Thereís a rumor and a story that Iíve heard repeatedly from different sources which I think might have some validity to it, that Kennedy met a group from the Pleiades.

Bill: Oh really? I had not heard that.

Bob: That Kennedy met the Tall Blonds.

Bill: OK. Thatís interesting. Thatís very interesting.

Kerry: Well that makes sense.

Bob: Well, it all seems to fit, doesnít it?

Bill: Thatís great.

Bob: Theyíre pieces of an enormous jigsaw puzzle. And you start putting them all together, and you think: Oh my God, look at that picture.

I think that does make sense. I think Jack Kennedy met this group, the Tall Blonds. Now, whether that was a contributing factor to his death, I donít know.

Bill: OK.

Bob: I do know that rumor continually surfaces that he planned total disclosure before he died. There are people that even suspect that that was the reason he was killed. Thatís the Wise Men. Youíve heard my term I use.

Bill: The Wise Men. Yes?

Bob: The Wise Men. The Magi...

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: Right.

Bob: ...didnít want it because it wasnít time.

Kerry: Are you aware that thereís a change in the Magi, you know, basically in that whole group?

Bob: Well...

Kerry: And that theyíve gone through a transition, and they have different leaders now?

Bob: Funerals take their toll on the Magi. [laughs]

Kerry: Yes.

Bob: As they used to say: Progress is measured by one funeral at a time. Youíve heard that?

Bill: Yes. [laughs]

Kerry: Yes.

Bill: That was Max Planck who said that. Yes. Thatís right.

Bob: The old scientists drop dead, and the new scientists come out with a broader view and an open mind.

Bill: Yep.

Bob: Yes, the Magi has changed several times. The last I heard from sources, well, my friend at the Arlington Institute Ė is that there are now about 40 of them. When they meet at the country club there in Virginia, they need more tables and chairs now. They meet annually, supposedly. And as I jokingly say: Itís not A country club, itís THE country club.

Bill: THE country club. Yes.

Bob: An old retiree friend of mine who is at deathís door used to run that place. He ran the bar; he ran the dining room.

Bill: Incredible.

Bob: And I asked him one time: Why the hell do you do that, knowing what the hell theyíre up to?
And he honestly said this to me.


He says: Let me tell you.
He says: Neither one of us is stupid.
He says: The perks are good.
He says: I eat anything I want any time I want.
He says: I smoke the very best cigars that are air-delivered to us here from Cuba. The finest cigars, as good if not better than what Castro smokes.
He says: Weíre drinking the finest Scotch we can get from Scotland.
And he says: Itís so good that the Scots donít export it and sell it. They drink it themselves.
And he says: We get cases of it from Scotland.
He says: Now here I am.
And he says: You, you old fart - this was some years back - told me you like bourbon. I like Scotch.
So he says: I got the best cigars, I got the best Scotch, I got the best steaks, and I got a place to live.
He says: And I live in a comfortable suite at the Country Club. All my bills are paid.
And he says: My pension goes into the bank and I never touch it.
He says: Why the hell wouldnít I do this? You would, too, if you were given the chance.

And I jokingly said: Is there an opening? [laughter] Is there another job? Iíll work for you, you old bastard, you know. [laughter]

We served together. We were in Korea together.

Bill: Incredible. Did he know anything about what was discussed in those meetings or was he not present?

Bob: He had a vague idea of the agenda. Yes, they discussed... You hear these rumors about, hell I forget what they call themselves, the Bilderbergers? And another group, The Council of Foreign Relations?

Bill: Yes.

Bob: You find these wise men in all of those groups. Theyíre members of all of them. And thereís another, a third group that I canít remember.

Bill: The Trilateral Commission.

Bob: The Trilateral...

Bill: Yes. Commission.

Bob: And theyíre represented on all of them.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: And they literally Ė I donít know whether this is true Ė I hate to go; Iíve got to run. I donít know Ė they said to me they pick who runs for elections.

Bill: Oh yes!

Kerry: Absolutely!

Bob: Whoeverís in that White House has been approved.

Bill: Yes.

Kerry: Yes.

Bill: Thatís the straight of it. They control the whole thing.

Bob: And I look at this young man, bright young kid there thatís living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Has he been approved? Obviously he has. And if he hasnít been, God bless him, because...

I hope his Secret Service people are on their toes. Because if Obama tries to pull anything at all that is not in accordance with their agenda, heís up shit creek. And you may quote me!

Bill: We will quote you. [Kerry laughs] Just a little bit of interest... just a tidbit for you here. We met somebody who met Obama in the 1980s when Obama was 20-something years old. And he said that at that point Obama knew that he was going to be president.

Bob: Heíd been selected.

Bill: Yes.

Bob: He has shown that confidence over the years.

Bill: Yes. And it wasnít that he Ė what was really interesting Ė it wasnít that he knew that he would be in for a shot at the presidency. He knew he would be president.

Bob: Well, thatís what my old buddy told me. He said that they pick them. And if they get to the office, theyíve been selected. Now what Jack Kennedy did, I donít know. I know Jack was put in there primarily by his old manís money.

Now, whether he changed his plans while he was in office? I have no idea what happened there. Jim Marrs has got it all in his book.

Bill: Oh yes.

Kerry: Yes.

Bob: Iím not surprised. You know Iíve learned enough about the program and the process in the Shadow Government, and the ones who really call the shots. And I said to the people on Sunday, I says: The government you think youíve got is not the government youíve got.

Bill: Yes. Exactly.

Bob: I wouldnít be surprised, Bill, whether theyíre pulling the shots there, that theyíre selecting. It wouldnít surprise me because I know the same damned process is going on in the Vatican. They picked the present Pope.

Bill: Of course. Yes.

Bob: The Kraut, who had been a member of...

Kerry: Nazi.

Bob: ...Hitlerís youth when he was a kid. They selected. Itís a game...

Bill: A rigged game.

Kerry: Absolutely.

Bob: And weíre all chess pieces.

Bill: Oh, yes.

Bob: And they move us around.

Bill: Yes. Sure. Yes.

Bob: And I learned that I had been moved around before... Well, I learned it finally in Vietnam.

Bill: Yes. Of course.

Bob: When I worked for this Colonel in Special Operations. I knew then that I was a mere chess piece. That was when the beginnings of my old world really began to crumble.

It started when I learned about ďThe Assessment.Ē My old world view is gone. My old paradigm, Iíve swept it away.

Bill: Of course. Yes.

Bob: My new world view is in a process of being formed, and firmed up, and weíre discussing that right now.

Bill: And your mission, which is ours also, is to help people let go of their worldview so they can...

Bob: Well, I have been told... I have been flat told to get my ass - and it wasnít merely my son. This comes from a number of sources:...

Kerry: Oh wow.

Bob: You old fart, get off your dead ass and stop sitting there stewing in your own juices and get the hell back out there and talk about what youíve been shown and the things youíve been told.

And Iíve said it repeatedly, the reason Iím getting away with some of the things Iím getting away with is that somebody there wants me to do what Iím doing.

Bill: Exactly.

Bob: And Iím to a point, Bill, now, without becoming religious here, where I honest-to-God believe that Iíve got good friends in high places.

Bill: Us too! Weíre still here!

Kerry: Weíre right there with you, Bob.

Bob: Let me tell you something. You could not be accomplishing what the two of you are doing unless what youíve been doing has been approved and encouraged by someone.

Kerry: Absolutely. Weíve been told we have protection.

Bob: Iím not surprised. Well, I have! The reason Iím here, honey, is that Iíve had a charmed life.

Kerry: I know. I know. Well they chose well, didnít they?

Bob: Well, I look at you and I think youíre a pretty good-looking chick. Yes, I think they chose pretty well. Now, Iím surprised you associate yourself with old cowboys like this one here. [pointing to Bill]

Bill: This is going in the transcript. [laughter]

Kerry: All right. All right. This has been great. Thank you, Bob.

Bob: You guys are leaving, I understand?

Kerry: Yes, weíre on our way.

Bill: Weíre on our way out.

Bob: Well, itís always a pleasure to see both of you again.

Bill: Itís a great pleasure, Bob. Thank you so much.

Bob: I feel like youíre almost family now.

Kerry: Yes.

Bill: Well, it feels like that.

Kerry: And give all our love to Marcia.

Bob: I will. I will indeed. And you take care. Whereís your next stop?

Bill and Kerry: Weíre going to Sedona. Right now.

Kerry: And weíll do some editing there, and then he goes back to Europe, and I go to California.

Bob: Well, how long are you going to be in Sedona?

Kerry: A little over two weeks.

Bob: Oh. Well, you have time to grab Peter Gersten.

Kerry: Oh really?

Bob: Yes. He lives there.

Kerry: Well, OK. Iíve met his wife, but I know Peter Gersten best.

Bob: Not unless he married her. I thought that they were living together. They lived in the same apartment complex, actually, for a year.

Kerry: Thatís interesting. You know him?

Bob: Oh, Iíve known Peter for years.

Kerry: OK.

Bill: Well, you have to grab that one. Yes.

Kerry: All right. Good idea.

Bob: Heís one of the guys who said of me Ė and Iíve always appreciated the compliment. He said: Bob Dean is the only UFO researcher who never had a negative thing to say about any other UFO researcher. He said: Bob, Iíve never heard you say a negative thing about anybody.

I said: Well, you just havenít been listening closely! [laughter] Iíve said a few!

If you can get hold of Peter Gersten, it would be worth it.

Kerry: OK.

Bob: Do an interview.

Kerry: I hear you. OK. I take your advice very seriously.

Bob: Listen guys, be safe.

Bill: Oh, weíll be safe. Weíll be safe.

Bob: Youíve got good friends in high places.

Bill: And we have. Yes. You, too. And if you ever have a chance to talk to the Guy Upstairs, tell him that we appreciate him taking care of us. [laughs]

Bob: I speak to him regularly. I have an open line, as good if not better than the Pope.

Bill: I think you do. Well, the Pope may be talking to somebody else. We donít know that...

Kerry: Yes well, that Pope.

Bob: Well I would jokingly almost surmise... Well, I will surmise that the Pope has representatives in PI-40. Heís got representatives in the wise men who gave him the country club.

Bill: Yes. I mean, he must have. He must have.

Kerry: Yes, thatís what we hear. But that may not be a good thing.

Bob: Well, you know how itís weighed. You know, good thing / bad thing, the overall picture is in the middle.

Kerry: OK.

Bill: OK.

Bob: Iíll see you guys later.

Kerry: All right. Take care.

Bill: Take care, Bob...!