Bob: Well, I think itís interesting, the fact that those
stones... Iíve always been fascinated by the Baalbek stories.
Iíve never been able to go there, you know. The years that I had
Top Secret clearance I would never be allowed to go there. They
wouldnít even let me go to Berlin, for Christís sake, when I was
Kerry: Why not?
Bob: Because of my clearance. You see, Europe was divided,
honey. Germany was divided.
Bob: There was East Berlin, West Berlin. My kids were able to go
to West Berlin on a tour because they were in high school. I
wanted to go to West Berlin. I wanted to visit the Brandenburg
Gate. I wanted to see a number of things.
I wanted to get into the Berlin Museum but that was in East
Berlin because that had
the Lolladoff Plate in it. That is an
anomaly that is dynamite.
Bill: Whatís it called again?
Bill: The Lolladoff Plate.
Kerry: And whatís the significance of that?
Bob: Itís named after a Russian archeologist who brought it back
Bob: Before World War II began.
Kerry: And when is it dated?
Bob: They canít date it, honey. Itís a metallic substance that
they canít even consider what it is.
Bill: Things like that canít be dated. Theyíre inorganic.
Bob: Iíve shown the Lolladoff Plate in my presentations a number
of times and I have a slide of it.
Bill: Iíd like to check it out.
Bob: Which I will be delighted to share with you. I can get a
print made of it. But the point is, the Lolladoff Plate was an
anomaly with a little Gray on it and symbols all around.
Bob: Lolladoff brought it back from Tibet around 1930 or
somewhere back then. And thatís in the Berlin Museum in East
Berlin. Well, itís now just Berlin. But I couldnít even travel
to Berlin when I was there because I had Cosmic clearance.
Kerry: I have a question for you, Bob. In your speech did I
misunderstand you, or did you say that you had worked on
Bob: No. I have been on aircraft carriers. My son worked on
aircraft carriers for 12 years.
Kerry: OK. So that was how you got on aircraft carriers.
Bob: Yes. I had two, what they know as Tiger cruises. Eric was
at sea for 12 years. He served on four separate Nimitz class
Twice when they had completed their tour in the Pacific,
Mediterranean, wherever, they would come back to Pearl [Harbor]
and they would re-stage so to speak at Pearl. And the aircraft,
the entire air wing on the carriers, would generally leave the
carrier there at Pearl Harbor and fly directly back to Alameda,
to their air base.
And then the ship would then proceed from Pearl Harbor on to
Alameda, which is in San Francisco Bay, and they would invite
family members of crew members to come aboard at Pearl Harbor
and ride with them from Pearl Harbor to Alameda.
Bob: And they called these Tiger cruises. And I have the
privilege of being on two of them.
Kerry: How long does it take on one of those to go between the
Bob: Oh, they could make it in a short time, but it takes about
a week. But they could make it in three days. Those damn
carriers go so fast. Thatís another classified thing. No one
knows how fast they can go.
Bill: We know they go fast.
Bob: Well, my son said one time they were playing with a Russian
trawler in the Mediterranean. They were being shadowed, so the
captain decided to play games with the Russian trawler. And they
slammed this big nuclear-powered aircraft carrier - a thousand
feet long - slammed it into high gear, whatever they do, you
Bill: [laughs] Right.
Bob: ...and the bow rose somewhat.
Bill: Really? Thatís hard to imagine.
Bob: Yes! And this massive carrier throws up what they call
Bill: Thatís impossible to imagine!
Bob: Yes. Well, you know what a rooster tail is.
Bill: Yes. I do. Exactly, like you get with a little speedboat.
Bob: This massive carrier throws up rooster tails and this thing
goes, and they left the Russian trawler way the hell back there.
And the Russians, Iím sure, are saying: What are they doing? You
know. And the captain of the carrier is playing a game.
Bob: Now theyíre not taking aircraft aboard and launching
aircraft at this moment because they slow down for that.
Bill: Of course.
Bob: They threw up rooster tails, and Eric says it was really
hilarious to be on the massive ship that he was on with 5,000
crewmen, for Godís sake. Can you imagine? A ship with 5,000
Bill: Thatís incredible to imagine. But you canít just do that
with screw propellers, can you? They must be doing something
Kerry: Thereís special technology, isnít there? There would have
Bob: Oh, they have nuclear power.
Bill: Well, yes.
Bob: They have nuclear power.
Kerry: No. But also to part the water in front of you. [To Bill[
Isnít that the technology that Henry [Deacon] was talking about?
[To Bob] We have a witness that talked about this.
Bill: Yes. Henry was talking about that.
Bob: No, no. They didnít part the water. They just rose up in
speedboat fashion. They turned on the power with these nuclear
reactors. And they have, I think, four enormous 12- or 14-foot
screws back there.
Now, can you imagine 12- and 14-foot screws? And there are four
of them? Two on each side. And theyíre tied to two nuclear
reactors? One reactor for two screws and another reactor for two
screws, and they open it up, the power theyíve got. So anyway
they walked away from the trawler, he said, and it was
No one knows what theyíll do. Eric says: Pop, itís over 50 miles
an hour along the ocean. Over 50 miles an hour!
Bill: We heard, actually, that these things can do 80 knots.
Bob: I wouldnít doubt that for a minute.
Bill: I mean, which is very hard to believe.
Bob: Listen, did I share something? What this commander told me
at that cookout in Whidbey Island? This anti-submarine warfare
officer that I had a chance to meet.
We were drinking beer and eating clams. This was when my son was
assigned at Whidbey Island. His squadron was there. Whidbey
Island is off the coast of Seattle there in Puget Sound.
Beautiful place. But thereís this good-sized Naval base there.
And Iím visiting the Whidbey Island at the time. It was kind of
a sad story because my wife, Ericís mother, and I were in the
process of getting a divorce and weíd gone up there to share
that with Eric, to lay it out why we were divorcing.
Anyhow, during the cookout and the party and weíre all having a
few, I bring up the subject of submarines, the Soviet submarine
threat, because Iíd been reading about it, you know. The Soviets
had been building massive Typhoon type subs.
And I asked the young man at the time, I said: Are you guys able
to stay on top of those things? I mean, do you monitor them
And he was in anti-submarine warfare and thatís where... The
state of the art in those days was that they would drop these
electronic, electromagnetic buoys, and then the buoy would radio
to the plane and the guys were flying around in the planes
monitoring the buoy and the buoyís telling them whatís
underneath. You know that story.
Bill: What year was this? About?
Bob: In the early í90s. After í91, before í95. Somewhere in
Kerry: So what did he say?
Bob: Anyhow, I said: Are you guys on top of the Soviets? Are you
following them? He says: Mr. Dean, he says, the minute they pull
out of harbor, weíre with them all the way.
Bob: We monitor them from the moment they leave harbor until
they go back.
Bill: Of course. Yes.
Bob: He says: The Soviets are no problem. He says: Theyíre big,
theyíre cumbersome, theyíre good, theyíre fast. We donít...
Kerry: We have a witness that says there are some submarines,
though, off the coast of California right now.
Bob: Well, there used to be Soviet subs on both coasts. They
used to be on permanent station off the west coast, off the east
coast. And every time theyíd take up station, weíd know exactly
where they were. And, literally, if push had come to shove, we
could have eliminated them immediately.
And some of them are what they call boomers. They launch
missiles. And the Soviets got pretty good at it before they...
well, theyíre still good at it.
Bob: You know, the SS-18 that I knew about before I retired from
FEMA was... I lived in Tucson and the SS-18 had targeted Tucson
because we had Titan missiles all around us there for a long
But getting back to the story, I asked this young man: Are the
Soviets a threat? And he said: No, not at all. We monitor them
closely. We know where they are at any time. He says: They show
up big on our sonar, the whole nine yards.
We had emplaced sonar devices all over the Atlantic and all over
the Pacific - God knows how much it cost - where we could
monitor anything that was going on under the surface, on the
Like Denny Blair said one time, he said to a Chinese admiral...
He says: I own the water and I own the air above the water. So
donít talk threateningly to me. And Denny Blair at that time was
a 4-star admiral who was PAC COM, or CINC COM, Pacific
commander-in-chief. CINCPAC, I think he called it.
Anyhow, getting on with the story, let me finish this. He says:
The one thing that interests us the most that we cannot figure
out, he says, are the underwater objects that are the size of
aircraft carriers that are traveling over 200 miles an hour.
And he says: That is our primary concern at the moment. He says:
We donít know who they are, what they are, and what theyíre
doing down there, but, he says, theyíre traveling at enormous
rates of speed under water and theyíre the size of aircraft
Bill: Mm hm...
Bob: And he says: Some of our naval scientists are beginning to
suspect that theyíre the cause of what you know of as ďrogue
Bill: OK. Hm.
Bob: He says: Do you know what a rogue wave is?
I says: Well, Iíve heard about them. They come out of nowhere
and they can turn ships upside-down. On a calm sea, you know,
thereís nothing out there, and all of a sudden thereís an
80-foot wave comes in. If the ship doesnít hit it prow-on, it
sometimes can turn a good-sized vessel sideways or upside-down.
He says: But that troubles us.
And this was in the early í90s. We donít really know what they
are, who they are, or what theyíre up to. All we know is theyíre
fast and theyíre big.
And I said: Well, I got a nagging suspicion of who they might
be. [laughs] But I... you know, Iím not an expert. Iím not
really quotable. I could tell you who I think they might be. Iíd
come out of the closet, as it were, in í91 and I was speaking
publicly about this phenomenon then. But thatís a little tidbit
that I have on my list of tidbits.
Bill: Thatís a lovely story. But if those were ET craft that can
just go through the water like they can go through the air, that
itís a fluid makes no difference, then you would expect them to
be able to go much faster than that.
Bill: They could go as fast as they wanted to.
Bob: Considering, Bill, that they build... they put a field
Bob: Essentially they are not part of the physical reality at
Bob: They are within a field that they have generated. And they
do that out there.
Bill: Exactly. Yes.
Bob: And that field protects and insulates them and they can go
as fast as they want within that field. And essentially what
weíre monitoring is the field moving.
Bill: Exactly. Yes.
Bob: OK. Youíve done your homework.
Bill: Yes, sure. Actually, 200 mph would be pretty slow compared
with what their capability would be.
Bob: Well, thatís what he shared with me.
Kerry: And this admiral had how many stars? How many stars did
this admiral you were talking to have?
Bob: At the time, this was a commander.
Kerry: Tell me the number of stars.
Bob: Commander... No, they donít wear stars. Admirals wear
Kerry: He wasnít an Admiral. Iím sorry, is Admiral above or
Bob: Well, let me give you a quick rundown here. My kid entered
the service as an Ensign, a little gold bar. In the Army weíd
call that a Second Lieutenant. The next rank up is Lieutenant
Junior Grade, a little silver bar. In the Army we call that
The next step in the Navy would be Lieutenant Commander, thatís
a little gold oak leaf. In the Army weíd call that a Major. The
next rank up in the Navy is Commander, wearing a silver oak
leaf. And in the Army we call that rank Lieutenant Colonel.
The next rank up in the Navy is Captain, wearing a little silver
eagle, four stripes on his sleeve. In the Army we call that a
Full Colonel, ďBird ColonelĒ. The next step would be Brigadier
General, one star. Major General, two stars. Lieutenant General,
3 stars. And General, 4 stars.
The Admirals in the Navy: Rear Admiral, one star. Rear Admiral
Second Grade, 2 stars. Vice Admiral, 3 stars. And Full Admiral,
Kerry: OK. Thank you very much for that.
Bob: Youíre welcome.
Kerry: We have gotten information from someone saying that they
think there was some problem with the Navyís control of the ET
situation sometime over the last year, where they seem to be
losing ground or losing power within the factions, you know,
Army vs. Navy vs. Air Force. Is that true? It doesnít ring true
to me. But I wondered if youíve heard anything about that.
Bob: All Iíve known is that at the very beginning of the whole
damn thing that the Navy has been the primary service in this
whole thing. And I donít know where it began. Probably back to
the fact that the Navy recovered a UFO off the coast of San
Diego in 1941.
Kerry: And weíve never heard that story. Can you elaborate on
Bob: A lot of researchers are well aware of it. You know, you
all hear about
Roswell and all that hoopdeedoo about Roswell,
and nobody seems to grasp that there wasnít one crash and
retrieval. There were three crashes and retrievals. And there
have been crashes and retrievals all over the country, and all
over the planet, for years.
And the military even reached the point some years ago, which
many of us who were in the service knew about, is that they
didnít think they were crashing. They thought they were giving
Bob: Because in some places they found the object on the desert
floor, or wherever, fully intact. And in some cases there was
remnants of a crew aboard. And in other cases the object was
empty, no crew to be found.
Bob: And they really began to be suspicious when they saw that.
And they began, a couple of them said: Hey, itís like theyíre
giving us this hardware.
Bob: Theyíre handing us this technology. And in the cases of
where there were little
Grays aboard... And youíve heard me say
this, and this is common knowledge among researchers, that there
were little Grays aboard.
There were survivors; there were two or three dead; one or two
were still alive. They hauled them off to where the hell is it?
Wright-Patterson. They had labs there at the time. They have
labs everywhere now. There are labs up the road here.
Kerry: Yes. Absolutely. [laughs]
Bob: The point is, they kept expecting them to come back to
retrieve their little crew.
Bill: And they should easily have been able to.
Bob: And of course they could have done it any time they wanted.
Bob: And they didnít. And several cynics said: Hell, they didnít
give a damn one way or the other about retrieving that little
guy. Because those little guys in many cases were not an evolved
The crash in northern Germany in 1962, Timmendorfer Strand, on
the Baltic. There were twelve little bodies aboard and the
physicians who autopsied them said they were absolutely
identical and not one of them appeared to have anything that we
could recognize as a reproductive organ. So they began to be
suspicious that they might be laboratory products.
Bill: And expendable.
Bob: And the ones they grabbed at Roswell and Kingman and a
couple other places. Right across the river over there in
Kingman, Arizona, there was a crash.
Bob: They retrieved two of the little guys who were alive. They
took íem back. They kept thinking that ďTheyĒ were going to come
back and get them. And the cynics said: Hell, they just wrote
them off. Like the joke about the potato chips, they went back
and made more.
Bob: Now that is... I find that kind of sad, really. When you
create an advanced creature that has the capability of
functioning as a crew member of a ship, the question that I come
up with that troubles me somewhat from a spiritual point of view
- is there a level of sentience in that creature? That someone
would just write them off and let them go and leave them alone
and forget it?
Kerry: Well, our Mr. X said...
Bob: And then I had an experience in Southeast Asia when I found
out... [long pause] ... Excuse me. We left guys behind in íNam.
[voice choked up] Iím sorry. Forgive me. We left them behind
Voice: And they knew it going in.
Bob: We signed this deal with the North Vietnamese. We had made
a promise that when we began to withdraw from Vietnam we were
going to give the North Vietnamese a couple of billion dollars in
reparations. Did you know that story?
Bill: No, I didnít.
Bob: We were going to give them a couple of billion, so-called
reparations for the damage we had done over Hanoi. Well, we
never gave them a dime because our political people back in
Washington got into a big knock-down drag-out brawl and said:
Not only no, but hell no. Weíre not giving them anything.
Well when we said that, the North Vietnamese said: Well, screw
you. You can kiss your boys goodbye. And there were several
hundred of them.
Bill: Yes. Sure. And they were regarded as being less valuable
Bob: They wrote them off like they didnít have any value. And I
served for 27 years in the Army and I never met a man, Bill, in
all my years of service, that did not have value.
Bill: Of course.
Bob: The idea weíd leave them behind knowingly, and telling
their next of kin that theyíre missing in action or theyíre
killed in action, and those guys were in prison camps, alive,
and could have been repatriated.
Well then, this commentary about these little Grays began to
make some sense. They wrote them off. They went back and made
Well, if you want to be a total cynic, as Iíve almost become
over the years, we went back and made more.
Bob: And some of the ones we made are now dying in Iraq.
Bob: I have a grandson dying in Kansas, after his second tour in
Kerry: Oh really.
Bob: His heart is coming apart. His brain was scrambled.
Kerry: What from? Do you know?
Bob: One of those whatever they call it, those improvised...
Bob: IED. Theyíre bombs. They blow up. They improvise them; they
put íem beside the road.
Bill: Improvised Explosive Device.
Bob: There you are. IED. Anyhow, one went off right next to his
personnel carrier. Killed a couple of his friends; shook him up.
His brain was bruised and damaged, but the damage to his heart,
they canít... The VAís got him under a complete care and support
in Kansas, some clinic out there. My youngest grandson.
But over the years you see these things. Weíve got people in
government, for Godís sake, that are capable of almost anything.
And Iíve had these young women come up to me... well, theyíre
not so young anymore. They come up to me, who have been grabbed
and used in these experiments, for Godís sake. Youíve probably
talked to some of them. And they come up and share with me
heartbreaking stories because they know that I can understand,
and I will be sympathetic or at least compassionate enough to
listen to them.
Weíve got a government which I said Sunday: If you people think
you know the government youíve got, you donít know the
government youíve got.
You talk about
Black Government, Shadow Government. It doesnít
matter what term you use. There are professionals in power that
function as government that no one ever elected, that is not
responsible or accountable to anybody, not to the House or the
Senate or to the President or the American people. And many of
them are in the intelligence agencies.
Kerry: But Bob, have you come across any overt Nazism in your
Bob: Hell yes. Donít you know that
NASA was formed by Nazis?
Kerry: Well, we do, actually.
Bob: Well, thatís fairly common knowledge. You just never
realized how vast it was.
Kerry: All right.
Bob: You didnít realize how... You all know about Wernher von
Braun. Wernher was just the number-one guy in that program.
There were at least a dozen if not more Nazis who were brought
Kerry: Did you know any of them?
Bob: ...Paperclip. And many of them were prosecutable, who
should have been held up in front of the Nuremburg trials. And
we had them here and we gave them high pay, bought them
beautiful homes; brought them and their families, and they
worked for the NASA program for years.
Well, it wasnít merely NASA. We had a number of them working in
Central Intelligence. As a matter of fact, the CIA was an
offshoot of an old organization; I forget the name of it.
Kerry: The OSS. [Office of Strategic Services]
Bob: Strategic Service. That was built on a Nazi profile. That
was built on a Nazi plan. And the old OSS had a whole bunch of
Nazis in it. So that when the war was over, we had planeloads of
Nazis being flown out Germany, for Christís sake, to the United
States, being treated like celebrities.
Bill: Yes, thatís true.
Bob: The only thing that never came out Ė their names. We
brought Nazis with their families and thereís a big joke going
around ... oh there are Nazis in Argentina. Bullshit. There are
Nazis in Washington, DC. There are Nazis in Hollywood, in
But most of the old guys are gone now but their heirs are alive
and well. Many of them are in government. And if I were, if had
my notes at hand, I could probably name a few for you.
I got up in front... Well, you were there. Didnít you see me
Bob: I stood up in front and held this folder filled with...
Hereís my notes. I didnít even get one-third of the way through
I wanted to share another tidbit with you while I think about it
because, you know... my mind at this stage. You push my button
and I go dancing around here. The point is there was another
piece of information I found tremendously interesting. A
researcher by the name of Tellinger in South Africa.
Bob: You know Michael?
Bill: Not personally.
Bob: Oh, heís brilliant.
Bill: Iíve listened to his story and seen his stuff.
Bob: Well, have you heard the story heís telling now? South
African archeologists have discovered what they think are
Bob: Adjacent to an ancient gold mine.
Bill: Thatís 70,000 years old.
Bob: At least.
Bob: I find that interesting.
Bill: Thatís interesting stuff.
Bob: Now, what a laboratory would look like to an archeologist
after 70,000 years, [Kerry laughs] I canít imagine. But the very
word was used. Tellinger said that apparently they discovered
what appears to be the remnants of an ancient laboratory
adjacent to an ancient gold mine. I didnít hear the term 70,000
years. I just heard that it was ancient.
Bill: Itís at least 70,000 years old.
Bill: What I heard was about a year ago. They found some clearly
artificial stone structures that were so old that the mainstream
archeologists couldnít believe that they werenít natural. But if
you look at them, youíve got what Tellinger describes as South
Bob: Or older.
Bill: Yes. Much, much older.
Bob: As colorful as Stonehenge is, itís not that big. There are
things out there... Are you familiar with
Nabta Playa? The site
Bill: No. Iím not.
Bob: In southern Egypt? Nabta Playa? Oh my gosh! Theyíve
discovered remnants of what was apparently a calendar in the
Bill: A calendar?
Bob: A calendar. A stone calendar thatís laid out in the desert
at a place in southern Egypt, west of the Nile. Iím trying to
place how it is according to... whereís the dam?
Bill: The Aswan Dam?
Bob: Itís south of Aswan and west of the river. And they found
this site called Nabta Playa. They estimate the age of this
thing is 150,000 years old. But itís a stone calendar. And when
they recorded that and measured it and checked it out... and
theyíve done that.
Thereís a book out called
The Origin Map.
Bob: OK? I canít remember the name of the author. [ed. note:
Thomas Brophy]. But you can find the book. The Origin Map. This
stone calendar apparently has a detailed map, not only of the
solar system, but the galaxy.
Bill: Oh wonderful.
Bob: It maps the galaxy! And they can determine the age of it
because, by taking and computerizing what they found, the
location and placement, they can age it, like going back, and
thatís when they figured it was over 100,000 years old.
A map of the galaxy! Get the book, The Origin Map.
Bill: OK. Gotcha.
Bob: The writer escapes me. Find the book, read the book, then
find the author and interview him. What an interview that would
Kerry: Absolutely. Bob, I want to ask you a question. We saw
Sitchin in L.A.
Kerry: And he said to the audience... An audience member asked
him if the reason we went into Iraq was because of the Anunnaki.
And he hemmed and hawed and then he finally said: Yes.
Bob: He said Yes? Iím not surprised.
Kerry: Yes. What do you know about that?
Bill: What his exact words were is Ė because I have a good
memory for details of conversations Ė the question was:
war in Iraq connected in any way with the Anunnaki? And he
paused for a long time. And then he said: This answer is full of
landmines, but yes. And then he didnít say any more.
Bob: That old codger! I have tremendous admiration and respect
Bob: But Iím not at all surprised.
Bill: What did he mean? [laughs]
Bob: Well, let me tell you what he might have meant. I can tell
you from what limited knowledge I have. I can tell you that most
of the gang that tore apart and went through the Baghdad
Kerry: Mm hm...
Bob: ...were our people.
Bill: Of course.
Bob: Oh, you knew that.
Kerry: Well, we figure...
Bill: Thatís been heavily surmised by people trying to figure
out what was really going on there.
Bob: Oh yes, they were our people. And that Lieutenant Colonel,
or Colonel, that Marine Colonel that we put there in charge of
the museum? You know who Iím talking about?
Bill: I donít, actually.
Bob: We put a Marine Colonel in charge of the museum to look
after it and hopefully regain all of the stuff that had been
Bob: And to safeguard it after the mob had left.
Bob: Well that Lieu... This is probably going to get my ass into
a jam, but that Marine Colonel knew exactly who those people in
that mob were.
Bob: And they went in that museum and they walked away with
Bill: Specific items?
Bob: They had a list...
Bob: ...of what to bring back from that museum.
Bill: Yes. Shocking.
Bob: And so much of what was stolen [is] irreplaceable, worth
its weight in gold, or platinum, or...
Kerry: But the question is, they took it somewhere.
Bob: Cylinder stones.
Bill: Yes, exactly.
Kerry: But you know,
Dan Burisch says that we have the
Glass technology on those cylinder stones. And thatís
time-travel technology that you can get off the stones.
stargate underneath in Iraq.
Bob: Kerry, when you travel in space, you
travel in time. You
cannot separate space-time. Space-time, time-space, space-time,
itís all the same. You cannot travel out there without traveling
Bob: Time is not at all what we think. And youíve heard this
again and again and again, and Iíve been working to try to get
my mind to wrap around it and I canít. But that yesterday and
today and tomorrow, itís all the same. Thereís only one eternal
Bob: Now I canít wrap my poor old brain around that. [To Bill]
Perhaps you can. [To Kerry] You ought to interview this guy
Kerry: Oh, weíre going to.
Bob: Donít put him on the... donít let him do the interview. You
Kerry: OK! [laughs]
Bob: Because Iíve already intuitively picked up on this dude
that he knows a hell of a lot more than heís ever shared with
Bob: I bring something up and he knows all about it already.
Ken: His poor old nimble brain sure draws a crowd, doesnít it?
Bob: Anyhow. Where were we? Oh, we were at Nabta Playa.
Kerry: No, we were in Iraq, and
Bill: The cylinder seals.
Bob: Yes. The cylinder seals.
Kerry: And the Anunnaki.
Bob: Yes, well look, honey. I said this Sunday, didnít I? The
Anunnaki are all around us. It was that crew that met Ike in í54
at Muroc. That was the Anunnaki, the same group that built Ur.
Itís the same group that built the ziggurat that poor old John
Paul II wanted to visit before he died.
Miriam: I donít know even a quarter of... I donít even know an
eighth of what you all know and understand, but as youíre
talking about this I seem to recall someone, somewhere, sharing
with me that the indigenous people all over the world are
starting to have people visiting, trying to dig up their sites,
and they are looking for technologies.
I am under the impression from my contact that Iíve had, that
part of this is Ė the reasoning behind it is Ė that thereís an
ultimate device that they are trying to find all of the parts
for that are all over the Earth. What do you know about that?
Bob: Whoís doing the digging?
Miriam: Iím not sure what group it is thatís doing the digging
but itís definitely... itís definitely, you know, an
Bob: A human, a national entity of some kind?
Miriam: Yes, absolutely.
Bob: All right. Well, Iím not surprised. I wouldnít be at all
surprised. They have learned that there is knowledge of ancient
societiesí traditions. You know, just to give you a brief
the Dogon in Africa who knew all about Ė what the
hellís the planet or the star out there?
Miriam: The dog star.
Bob: Sirius A and Sirius B. We didnít discover Sirius B until
what, 30 years ago? And the Dogon knew about it.
Bill: They knew all about it for thousands of years.
Bob: I mean thatís a tiny example. And the Nabta Playa thing out
there in the desert. The stuff that was rifled out of the museum
Kerry: What about the idea of
a stargate in Iraq?
Bob: I donít think itís there anymore, because they donít need
it. Stargates can be opened at any time, at any place by them,
at their choosing. They open a portal any time they want. And if
you donít believe me, read The Search for the Skin Walker. [ed.
The Hunt for the Skinwalker] You know who
George Knapp is?
I hope you interview him.
Bill: Itís the Skinwalker Ranch.
Bob: The Skinwalker Ranch up in Utah.
Kerry: Yes, Iíve heard him speak about it.
Bob: Bob Bigelow who Iíve known for some years, billionaire in
Vegas up here, paid out of pocket to establish a research center
up there at the Skinwalker Ranch for years and years and years.
And the book that George Knapp and the British scientist - I
canít remember the name of the guy that worked with him [ed.
note: Colm Kelleher] - was under contract with Bigelow for many
years. The name is escaping me.
Skinwalker Ranch story was just the tiny tip of a large
iceberg. That particular location apparently was a site selected
by them. Thereís some of them out there Ė and they come and go
off that particular location and have been doing it for
The Indians have these stories that go back hundreds of years of
ďThe OthersĒ coming through these doorways. Well, they open the
doorways any time and any place they want.
I donít think thereís anything left in Baghdad or in Iraq. I
could be wrong. There could be something underground that hasnít
been dug up yet. I know we had a team over there digging like
hell in Ur.
Miriam: Exactly. Yes.
Bob: I had the newspaper article, and Iíve got it with me, from
the New York Times of poor old John Paul wanting, asking for
Godís sake, asking Saddam Hussein for permission...
Bob: ...to make what
the Vatican considered a holy Ė what was
the word that I...?
Bob: A holy pilgrimage to Ur!
Bill: Thatís as weird as it gets, isnít it?
Bob: Now, when you consider the meaning first of all, of
pilgrimage and holy Ė and this was in the release; the Vatican
said this Ė a holy pilgrimage to Ur before he died.
Bob: And he asked
Saddam Hussein for permission and the son of a
bitch turned him down, wouldnít allow him to come.
But the point is, what motivated John Paul II to want to make
his pilgrimage to Ur? Could it have been the information that
[Archbishop James] McIntyre gave to Pope Pius II?
Bob: Because of
the event that happened up at Muroc in í54?
Kerry: But we have information the Vaticanís also had
visitations from a certain group.
Bob: Oh! Oh! Listen, they have! Of course! Iíve got it in my
file. I wanted to get to it Sunday and didnít have time. I have
a good friend in Rome,
Bill: Barbato? You know him?
Kerry: Heís a friend of yours?
Bob: Yes, Iíve known Cris for years.
Bill: You know him personally. OK.
Kerry: Weíve been trying to interview him.
Bob: Oh, heís a dear young man. Heís bright and delightful. I
consider him a good friend.
Bill: He told us he didnít speak English.
Bob: Oh, bullshit. [laughter]
Kerry: I canít believe that.
Bob: Excuse me Cris, Iím sorry!
Bob: Well, he doesnít speak it that well.
Bob: He understands it.
Kerry: He may not write it... He doesnít write it that well.
Bill: OK. Thatís true, actually.
Bob: All right. Youíve talked to Cris, then?
Bill: No, we havenít. We spoke to
Kerry: Weíve exchanged emails with Cristoforo.
Bob: Lucaís supposed to be here.
Bob: Lucaís supposed to be here. Get with...
Bill: We need to find out if... whether Lucaís here before we
Kerry: Heís not on the list to speak.
Bill: No, heís not on the list to speak. Um, Paola [Harris]
Bob: Yes. Talk to Paola. Talk to Paola because I think...
Bill: Letís find out if heís here.
Kerry: So what is Cristoforo telling you? I mean, he knows all
Nibiru. Is he part of the...
Bob: Well, Cris has gotten most of his information from a couple
close friends who are Jesuits. And Iíve known Jesuits for
years. I used to sit and drink and have big parties with Jesuits
when I ran an Officerís Club in Nuremburg years ago during the
Occupation. And the Jesuits are the scholars of Catholicism.
Bob: And they not only run the intelligence service, which I
jokingly said Sunday is probably one of the worldís finest, if
not the finest because every damned Catholic priest in the world
is a member of the, you know, feeding information into the
Bob: So the Vaticanís got unpaid agents all over the damned
Bob: Anyhow, Cris has got this connection with these Jesuits in
Rome and theyíre members of this, apparently, this
security organization. And they reached out to him. He didnít
reach out to them, they reached out to him. Itís happened to me
time and time again over my years.
And they wanted him to... because they knew he had people who
listened to him, he had connections within the UFO community, as
it were. And they wanted him to know they are deeply, deeply
the Tenth Planet.
Bob: And that the Vatican is deeply concerned about it.
Kerry: Is there a chance itís disinfo? Planted purposely?
Bob: Oh, you always have to face that, that you have in
intelligence operations over the years you always have the
problem of disinformation. Our authorities are good at it.
Thereís always that possibility.
The Vatican must be good at that as well.
Bob: But the problem is, in such things you learn to sift and
weigh and evaluate, and you check other sources and you compare
this source with that source, and you try to end up intuitively
grasping for yourself: Is there any validity to this?
And after a time, and you work at it, and you learn after a
while to get pretty good at it because you develop your own
inner gut feeling - which they call intuition - that this is
going good and that isn't. And Iíve learned over the years, the
hard way, to weigh and sift and figure out what was right. I
think the story is basically true.
Bob: Iíve assumed, from what I...
Kerry: Does Barbato think itís true?
Cris thinks itís true.
Kerry: But heís gone into hiding. We were told they tried to get
him fired from his job. In fact he lost his job. He couldnít get
another job. Did you hear that? Because he writes for magazines
and they wouldnít Ė they closed him down. He was talking too
Bob: Cris has had bumpy roads along the way and I donít want to
put this on tape.
Kerry: All right.
Kerry: But isnít this the Vaticanís tactics? You know they broke
into our car when we were parked in the Milan airport.
Bob: Iím not surprised.
Kerry: And it was right after we talked to Luca Scantamburlo.
They thought we had something. They thought heíd given us
something. He didnít give us anything. But he was talking about
Bob: You realize what a dynamite subject this is to the Vatican?
Bill: Oh yes.
Miriam: By the way, the Vatican is a very interesting place.
Bob: Yes, they wouldnít let me in.
Kerry: Have you been there?
Miriam: I think I was there last night in my visions.
Bob: I was denied access.
Kerry: Weíll talk later, OK?
Miriam: You got that, right?
Bob: I hope I didnít say something too offensive.
Miriam: Not at all. I can just feel someone calling me back to
Ken: Iíve got to go, too.
Miriam: I just want to say thank you, because this is the first
time Iíve had an opportunity to meet you and I understand now
why people think so highly of you. Youíre very...
Bob: I wish I understood it. [laughs]
Miriam: You are always weighing the possibilities and itís such
an important aspect to keep in this field. And I just want to
say thank you.
Bob: Let me just say one thing in closing. Itís all a spiritual
matter. You know that.
Miriam: Thatís the only thing
Bob: It has nothing to do with guys coming and going from
Miriam: It has nothing to do with it. And Kerry and Bill are
supporters of that, fully.
Bob: Oh, they know that.
Miriam: And that is what I talk about to everyone that gives me
the opportunity to do so. So thank you.
Bob: Thank you.
Miriam: And I would love to stay but I feel someone calling me
back to that room.
Kerry: Actually you need to watch our interview with him. Weíve
got two very long interviews.
Miriam: OK. I will watch all of them in detail. And the only
other thing to say in closing is that there is mining going on
all over the planet and everyone has this idea that itís being
done for gold and silver and all of these other matters. But I
have a feeling that that is actually not whatís going on.
If you take a look at the locations where all of this pit mining
is going on or where theyíre trying to go, a lot of these areas
are sacred places. And I believe it is because they are trying
to find the way underground, not just to an underground base or
to create one, but to the actual underground. And theyíre trying
to see if itís real. Thatís what theyíre trying to do.
Bob: Well if they wanted to ask me some advice I would tell them
to go to Mount Hayes, Alaska and just try to start mining. You
know whatís under
Mount Hayes? [laughs] Iím sorry.
Miriam: I know itís a...
Bob: Iím teasing you.
Miriam: A base?
Bob: There is a major ET facility under Mount Hayes in Alaska.
Miriam: Yes. Mm hm... Well, I know that theyíve been in certain
areas where theyíve been trying to get to, and I personally know
of at least two locations where there are bases underground.
Three, actually, that Iíve never talked about, ever. And I wonít
share that publicly.
But I do know of three locations and that theyíve been trying
for years to get mining into those areas and theyíve been
stopped every time.
Bob: Well, itís a hell of a... Theyíre not going to succeed. If
they dig in the wrong place, theyíre up the creek.
Miriam: They are. Theyíre totally up the creek.
Bob: If they were to try mining in
Mount Perdido in the
Pyrenees, they would run into a real mess.
Bill: Yes. How do you know this, Bob, about Mount Hayes and
Perdido? Where does your information come from?
Bob: A variety of sources. Thereís one remote viewer that I
probably evaluate and trust.
Ken: Iím going to catch up with you later. Thank you. Have a
Bill: Thank you.
Ken: And Iím here to testify that Bob Dean is alive. He is not
Bob: Oh, thatís a rumor! Thatís only a rumor. Youíve got to
interview Ingo Swann.
Kerry: Oh, you know it! I love the guy. I mean, weíre trying to
interview him for a long, long time. I think heís the best out
Bob: Let me tell you a little vignette here, and then I have to
go to the Gentlemanís Lounge because Iím need of a Ė what is it
they call it? A flash of illumination? [laughter] And I have to
go to the menís room to get it, you see.
Ingo was taken to Mount Hayes by a chap by the name of James
Bill: Oh yes.
Bob: ...who at the time was Director of Special Programs in the
CIA. James Axelrod Ė I donít know, James may be dead now. Obamaís got an Axelrod in his staff! I donít know whether
theyíre related or not. Could be.
But James Axelrod was the Director of Special Programs in CIA
for some years ago, took old
Ingo, after interviewing, using
him, asking him to assist them in some of their
- which he did.
Gave them information on the Moon that blew
The point is, they took Ingo up to Mount Hayes to purposely
demonstrate and show him the coming-in of a massive ET ship.
Bob: And they watched it materialize over a lake...
Bill: I heard that story.
Bob: ...at the base of Mount Hayes.
Bill: I heard that story. Yes.
Bob: OK. Now, Ingo didnít at the time know where the hell he
was, so he didnít know where Mount Hayes was or anything like
it. But the ship materialized and it came in through time.
Bob: It wasnít just a space ship; it was a time ship. And
Axelrod did it purposely to show Ingo what they were dealing
And if you want to know about
underground bases, the guy who
first began to find out all about them was... Price.
Bob: Pat Price. Patís gone for years now.
Bob: He was a cop. Loved to have known him. He was my kind of
guy. Pat was the one Ė they said that theyíd never got a remote
viewer as accurate as Price had been.
He came up initially with these locations, and he came up with
four of them. One at Pine Gap, the other one at Mount Perdido,
the other one underground in Zimbabwe.
Bill: Oh really! I havenít heard that one.
Bob: Well, Iíve got notes. Iíve even got map photographs of
these locations in my files. It was in Alaska, Perdido in the
Pine Gap, Zimbabwe.
Iíve learned from my connections with intelligence, and the Navy
people primarily, that there is a major ET facility on a
mountain in Puerto Rico. And there is a massive undersea
location off Puerto Rico in a place called the
Bill: Yes, which is very deep.
Kerry: Yes, theyíre actually filming Ė I donít know if itís
Jaime or someone else Ė thereís a film-maker who films UFOs, the
evidence of the UFOs going in and out of the water. Right?
Bob: Well, apparently they come in, in a lake. They come out of a
lake in Puerto Rico.
Bob: Thereís a place called Cabo San Lucas, I think in Puerto
Rico, which is just...
Kerry: Cabo San Lucas is in Baja.
Bob: Well, thereís also...
Kerry: So maybe itís the same name.
Bob: Maybe Iím wrong, but it sounds like Cabo San Lucas.
Kerry: Itís quite possible.
Bob: But thereís a major ET facility there. And the one that I
find most intriguing is the major US-ET joint operation in the
Kwajalein Atoll in the Pacific.
Bill: Yes. Iíve heard that. Kwajalein.
Bob: We have a joint facility there on Kwajalein with them. I
would say itís mostly with the same group.
Kerry: Which group?
Bob: The Anunnaki .
Kerry: The Anunnaki, meaning the tall...
Bob: Well, thatís generic.
Kerry: I mean, because some of these bases are Gray bases.
Bob: Well, there are two Grays, you know. There are two groups
There are Grays that appear to be an evolved species. You know,
they bleed, they reproduce like we do. Theyíre almost human in a
sense. Theyíre five feet, sometimes taller, five and a half.
Their skinís not gray, itís kind of an off-white.
Kerry: But their agendas...
Bob: They have round eyes.
Kerry: ...are different.
Bob: And they are apparently benevolent people.
Bill: Yes. Yes.
Bob: But so are the ones supposedly from
the Pleiades. Are they
benevolent? The indications weíve received from people I say I
Bob: ...is that...
Kerry: Itís just there are some that are not, so itís important
to make the distinction.
Bob: Listen, there are different groups with different agendas
and theyíre not in total agreement with each other. However,
thank God, thanking the big cheese in this, there are at least
two groups, perhaps three, that are supportive of us, that would
like to see us survive as a species.
Bob: And they appear to be working together.
Bob: Although they may have separate agendas, they do have an
agreement or an understanding among themselves that theyíre
going to have to help bring the human race through our
transition here. Which is not easy.
Yes, youíre right, there are different groups with different
agendas. Iíve been told that they all have their own agendas.
And some of them are not so nice.
Bob: We have encountered some that are not nice at all. I donít
mean to say that they are purposefully malevolent. They just
donít like human beings. They look upon us like the...
A commander told me about two he worked with outside of Nellis.
Theyíre working with us, they respect us, they know that we have
a potential to be better than we are. They want to see us make
But there are others that couldnít care less whether we make it
or not. They are so advanced, apparently, not only
technologically but spiritually and socially, theyíre at a point
where they have very little compassion for us as a primitive
Now how much compassion do we show to chimpanzees in the zoo?
How much compassion do we show to monkeys in the wild?
Bob: You know, do we show compassion to the
Bonobo Ė or whatever
you call it? That group of chimps that are apparently one step
beyond regular chimps? The Bonobo Ė is those the ones that walk
Bob: How much compassion do we show to them? We put needles in
them; we put them in laboratories.
Kerry: Well, OK, but a lack of compassion is a lack of
evolvement in a species...
Bob: I think so.
Kerry: ...regardless of how evolved they are technologically.
Bill: Right. Just because youíre technologically smart doesnít
mean youíre spiritually wise.
Bob: Yes. They donít go together necessarily.
Kerry: The name of the game is itís a spiritual game in the
final analysis. And theyíre not winning that game just because
theyíre technologically advanced.
Bob: No, theyíre not.
Kerry: And thatís why theyíre here Ė part of the reason.
Bob: It could be why they donít like us very much. Because we
human beings appear to have a spark.
Bob: Humans have a spark of divinity within. Now Iím not saying
this Ė and Iím not telling you with any authority, but Iím
telling you there could be species out there that do not have
that spark of divinity.
And the question is: Do they have a conscience? And the
theological people will say: Do they have a soul? Hell, I donít
know. Iíve often wondered whether I had a soul. And until I
began my remote viewing and had my out-of-body experiences, I
was never quite certain of it.
But I do know now. Yes indeed, I do have a soul. And so do you,
and so do you.
Bill: I know that for sure.
Bob: I know you know that.
Bill: Bob, I want to ask you two quick questions, because we
have to go, and so do you. One question is about
Ike and Muroc
in 1954. Was there another meeting at Holloman?
Bill: Because some people talk about Holloman as well.
Bob: Oh yes.
Bill: So there were two meetings. One was at Muroc and one was
Bob: Yes. Holloman.
Bill: Which one was first? Muroc was first?
Bob: Muroc, I think, was the first one, in í54. Holloman was í52
or í53, maybe. [Ed note: Bob meant to say í54, or í55.] I think
Michael Salla has a list.
Bob: If youíve followed him, you saw his presentation? I donít
know whether thatís totally accurate or not. It may be. But
there have been meetings at several bases over the years at
Bob: And they were not all with the same group.
Bill: Of course. Yes.
Bob: Thereís a rumor and a story that Iíve heard repeatedly from
different sources which I think might have some validity to it,
that Kennedy met a group from the Pleiades.
Bill: Oh really? I had not heard that.
Bob: That Kennedy met the
Bill: OK. Thatís interesting. Thatís very interesting.
Kerry: Well that makes sense.
Bob: Well, it all seems to fit, doesnít it?
Bill: Thatís great.
Bob: Theyíre pieces of an enormous jigsaw puzzle. And you start
putting them all together, and you think: Oh my God, look at
I think that does make sense. I think Jack Kennedy met this
group, the Tall Blonds. Now, whether that was a contributing
factor to his death, I donít know.
Bob: I do know that rumor continually surfaces that he planned
total disclosure before he died. There are people that even
suspect that that was the reason he was killed. Thatís the Wise
Men. Youíve heard my term I use.
Bill: The Wise Men. Yes?
Bob: The Wise Men. The Magi...
Bob: ...didnít want it because it wasnít time.
Kerry: Are you aware that thereís a change in the Magi, you
know, basically in that whole group?
Kerry: And that theyíve gone through a transition, and they have
different leaders now?
Bob: Funerals take their toll on the Magi. [laughs]
Bob: As they used to say: Progress is measured by one funeral at
a time. Youíve heard that?
Bill: Yes. [laughs]
Bill: That was Max Planck who said that. Yes. Thatís right.
Bob: The old scientists drop dead, and the new scientists come
out with a broader view and an open mind.
Bob: Yes, the Magi has changed several times. The last I heard
from sources, well, my friend at the Arlington Institute Ė is
that there are now about 40 of them. When they meet at the
country club there in Virginia, they need more tables and chairs
now. They meet annually, supposedly. And as I jokingly say: Itís
not A country club, itís THE country club.
Bill: THE country club. Yes.
Bob: An old retiree friend of mine who is at deathís door used
to run that place. He ran the bar; he ran the dining room.
Bob: And I asked him one time: Why the hell do you do that,
knowing what the hell theyíre up to?
And he honestly said this to me.
He says: Let me tell you.
He says: Neither one of us is stupid.
He says: The perks are good.
He says: I eat anything I want any time I want.
He says: I smoke the very best cigars that are air-delivered to
us here from Cuba. The finest cigars, as good if not better than
what Castro smokes.
He says: Weíre drinking the finest Scotch we can get from
And he says: Itís so good that the Scots donít export it and
sell it. They drink it themselves.
And he says: We get cases of it from Scotland.
He says: Now here I am.
And he says: You, you old fart - this was some years back -
told me you like bourbon. I like Scotch.
So he says: I got the best cigars, I got the best Scotch, I got
the best steaks, and I got a place to live.
He says: And I live in a comfortable suite at the Country Club.
All my bills are paid.
And he says: My pension goes into the bank and I never touch it.
He says: Why the hell wouldnít I do this? You would, too, if you
were given the chance.
And I jokingly said: Is there an opening? [laughter] Is there
another job? Iíll work for you, you old bastard, you know.
We served together. We were in Korea together.
Bill: Incredible. Did he know anything about what was discussed
in those meetings or was he not present?
Bob: He had a vague idea of the agenda. Yes, they discussed...
You hear these rumors about, hell I forget what they call
the Bilderbergers? And another group,
The Council of
Bob: You find these wise men in all of those groups. Theyíre
members of all of them. And thereís another, a third group that
I canít remember.
Bob: The Trilateral...
Bill: Yes. Commission.
Bob: And theyíre represented on all of them.
Bob: And they literally Ė I donít know whether this is true Ė I
hate to go; Iíve got to run. I donít know Ė they said to me they
pick who runs for elections.
Bill: Oh yes!
Bob: Whoeverís in that White House has been approved.
Bill: Thatís the straight of it. They control the whole thing.
Bob: And I look at this young man, bright young kid there thatís
living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Has he been approved?
Obviously he has. And if he hasnít been, God bless him,
I hope his Secret Service people are on their toes. Because if
Obama tries to pull anything at all that is not in accordance
with their agenda, heís up shit creek. And you may quote me!
Bill: We will quote you. [Kerry laughs] Just a little bit of
interest... just a tidbit for you here. We met somebody who met
Obama in the 1980s when Obama was 20-something years old. And he
said that at that point Obama knew that he was going to be
Bob: Heíd been selected.
Bob: He has shown that confidence over the years.
Bill: Yes. And it wasnít that he Ė what was really interesting Ė
it wasnít that he knew that he would be in for a shot at the
presidency. He knew he would be president.
Bob: Well, thatís what my old buddy told me. He said that they
pick them. And if they get to the office, theyíve been selected.
Now what Jack Kennedy did, I donít know. I know Jack was put in
there primarily by his old manís money.
Now, whether he changed his plans while he was in office? I have
no idea what happened there. Jim Marrs has got it all in his
Bill: Oh yes.
Bob: Iím not surprised. You know Iíve learned enough about the
program and the process in the Shadow Government, and the ones
who really call the shots. And I said to the people on Sunday, I
says: The government you think youíve got is not the government
Bill: Yes. Exactly.
Bob: I wouldnít be surprised, Bill, whether theyíre pulling the
shots there, that theyíre selecting. It wouldnít surprise me
because I know the same damned process is going on in the
Vatican. They picked the present Pope.
Bill: Of course. Yes.
Bob: The Kraut, who had been a member of...
Bob: ...Hitlerís youth when he was a kid. They selected. Itís a
Bill: A rigged game.
Bob: And weíre all chess pieces.
Bill: Oh, yes.
Bob: And they move us around.
Bill: Yes. Sure. Yes.
Bob: And I learned that I had been moved around before... Well,
I learned it finally in Vietnam.
Bill: Yes. Of course.
Bob: When I worked for this Colonel in Special Operations. I
knew then that I was a mere chess piece. That was when the
beginnings of my old world really began to crumble.
It started when I learned about ďThe Assessment.Ē My old world
view is gone. My old paradigm, Iíve swept it away.
Bill: Of course. Yes.
Bob: My new world view is in a process of being formed, and
firmed up, and weíre discussing that right now.
Bill: And your mission, which is ours also, is to help people
let go of their worldview so they can...
Bob: Well, I have been told... I have been flat told to get my
ass - and it wasnít merely my son. This comes from a number of
Kerry: Oh wow.
Bob: You old fart, get off your dead ass and stop sitting there
stewing in your own juices and get the hell back out there and
talk about what youíve been shown and the things youíve been
And Iíve said it repeatedly, the reason Iím getting away with
some of the things Iím getting away with is that somebody there
wants me to do what Iím doing.
Bob: And Iím to a point, Bill, now, without becoming religious
here, where I honest-to-God believe that Iíve got good friends
in high places.
Bill: Us too! Weíre still here!
Kerry: Weíre right there with you, Bob.
Bob: Let me tell you something. You could not be accomplishing
what the two of you are doing unless what youíve been doing has
been approved and encouraged by someone.
Kerry: Absolutely. Weíve been told we have protection.
Bob: Iím not surprised. Well, I have! The reason Iím here,
honey, is that Iíve had a charmed life.
Kerry: I know. I know. Well they chose well, didnít they?
Bob: Well, I look at you and I think youíre a pretty
good-looking chick. Yes, I think they chose pretty well. Now,
Iím surprised you associate yourself with old cowboys like this
one here. [pointing to Bill]
Bill: This is going in the transcript. [laughter]
Kerry: All right. All right. This has been great. Thank you,
Bob: You guys are leaving, I understand?
Kerry: Yes, weíre on our way.
Bill: Weíre on our way out.
Bob: Well, itís always a pleasure to see both of you again.
Bill: Itís a great pleasure, Bob. Thank you so much.
Bob: I feel like youíre almost family now.
Bill: Well, it feels like that.
Kerry: And give all our love to Marcia.
Bob: I will. I will indeed. And you take care. Whereís your next
Bill and Kerry: Weíre going to Sedona. Right now.
Kerry: And weíll do some editing there, and then he goes back to
Europe, and I go to California.
Bob: Well, how long are you going to be in Sedona?
Kerry: A little over two weeks.
Bob: Oh. Well, you have time to grab Peter Gersten.
Kerry: Oh really?
Bob: Yes. He lives there.
Kerry: Well, OK. Iíve met his wife, but I know Peter Gersten
Bob: Not unless he married her. I thought that they were living
together. They lived in the same apartment complex, actually,
for a year.
Kerry: Thatís interesting. You know him?
Bob: Oh, Iíve known Peter for years.
Bill: Well, you have to grab that one. Yes.
Kerry: All right. Good idea.
Bob: Heís one of the guys who said of me Ė and Iíve always
appreciated the compliment. He said: Bob Dean is the only UFO
researcher who never had a negative thing to say about any other
UFO researcher. He said: Bob, Iíve never heard you say a
negative thing about anybody.
I said: Well, you just havenít been listening closely!
[laughter] Iíve said a few!
If you can get hold of Peter Gersten, it would be worth it.
Bob: Do an interview.
Kerry: I hear you. OK. I take your advice very seriously.
Bob: Listen guys, be safe.
Bill: Oh, weíll be safe. Weíll be safe.
Bob: Youíve got good friends in high places.
Bill: And we have. Yes. You, too. And if you ever have a chance
to talk to the Guy Upstairs, tell him that we appreciate him
taking care of us. [laughs]
Bob: I speak to him regularly. I have an open line, as good if
not better than the Pope.
Bill: I think you do. Well, the Pope may be talking to somebody
else. We donít know that...
Kerry: Yes well, that Pope.
Bob: Well I would jokingly almost surmise... Well, I will
surmise that the Pope has representatives in PI-40. Heís got
representatives in the wise men who gave him the country club.
Bill: Yes. I mean, he must have. He must have.
Kerry: Yes, thatís what we hear. But that may not be a good
Bob: Well, you know how itís weighed. You know, good thing / bad
thing, the overall picture is in the middle.
Bob: Iíll see you guys later.
Kerry: All right. Take care.
Bill: Take care, Bob...!