PH: You have so much work and so
much research that Iím going to focus on the human-alien
question because itís the one thatís cropped up in Italy right
now with the two books that are out, talking about underwater
bases and human-type aliens. Why do you think civilization has
commercialized the one face, the one image of the alien being,
the EBE, the extraterrestrial biological entity?
TG: Because the ones who look like humans are not
PH: What have you learned about the extraterrestrial presence on
TG: In the last chapter of
Unearthly Disclosure I discuss the
revelations that Iíve learned from military and intelligence
personnel regarding the status quo. And that information dates
back to the late 1980ís, about 1989. So itís a bit out of date,
but very significant. I was told that aliens have
long-established bases here, that theyíve been here for a very
PH: So you were talking about the end of this book having these
TG: Yes. I was given a great deal of information pertaining to
alien bases on this planet which are in specific locations in
the United States.
PH: Do you mention it?
TG: Yes. One in Australia, and two in the Pacific, that there
are large bases in the Pacific Ocean and some in the Bermuda
area, in the Caribbean thereís one.
PH: These are also cities, right? Entire cities?
TG: I wouldnít know, I havenít seen them.
PH: But what does your information say?
TG: If you look also at the information supplied by the
Venezuelan contactee, Iíve forgotten his name Ė Enrique Castro
Rincon and he was taken in the late 1970ís to two alien bases,
one of which was in the Andes.
The other was in the
Trench, which is the deepest part of the Pacific Ocean.
goes down 11,000 meters, and somewhere in the face of the trench
there was a very large alien base which he described as like
huge undersea globes which were completely self-contained, with
plants and human-type beings.
PH: When I say base, Timothy, Iím thinking of a military base,
because people are thinking that aliens have military bases.
TG: Well, a base doesnít have to be military, does it? I mean,
you can have a base camp.
PH: Yes, but when people think of a base, they think of a
TG: Well, they shouldnít.
PH: So I want to establish that when you and I are talking about
bases, we mean a place where they are.
TG: I would also suggest that many of these beings have been on
this planet a great deal longer than we have. So theyíre not
just visiting, theyíre people that have been on this planet
longer than Homo Sapiens and in fact were responsible for our
development. We are a hybridized race.
PH: And theyíre not all greys.
TG: Not at all.
PH: This is what I want to get out to the people.
TG: Theyíre a different species.
PH: Theyíre a different species, and a great number of them are
PH: And some of them could possibly pass for humans.
PH: And this is the thing that people canít get across in their
minds. They want to stamp aliens as a stereotypical little grey
with big eyes, and thatís all thatís on this planet, and thatís
it. But that isnít the case.
TG: There are many different types, and some of them are
certainly humanoid, related to us genetically.
PH: What does this contactee say? What were they like?
TG: They were very cool, emotionally, with him. There were men
and women there. He met them over a period of several years. He
befriended this guy who was actually posing as a Swiss
businessman, met him in South America. He was a sales rep for
menís aftershave lotion and things like that.
this guy over a long period, thought he was a very interesting
person, rather strange behavior, but then later on he, Enrique,
was beamed on board a craft that had come out of a lake in South
America. I donít recall the exact location. And there was this
guy, who he thought was a Swiss businessman.
PH: This sounds familiar. Weíve got to follow this up. It is an
interesting case that this man, who looked like a Swiss
businessman was one of them.
TG: I had my own encounter, so I can speak from experience that
the people --
PH: Can you go into more detail?
TG: Well, I published this in some of my stories. For example,
in 1967 I was with the London Symphony Orchestra in New York.
Iíd already met some friends of George Adamski, who said that
these beings were living here, and Iíd already had an experience
in 1963 in America with a woman who telepathically confirmed
that she was from elsewhere when I asked her in my mind.
same thing happened in New York in February 1967. I sent out a
thought that I would like some proof that there are beings from
other worlds living here and working here, and after about half
an hour this guy comes into my New York hotel.
He was about five
feet ten inches, immaculately dressed in a dark grey suit, white
shirt, dark tie, with slightly wavy hair, slightly tanned skin,
very intelligent looking. What I had done was, before this had
happened I had sat down in the lobby and said in my mind,
there are any of you guys in the New York area, come down and
sit next to me and prove itĒ.
And as I say, about half an hour
later this guy came in and sat down beside me. He had an attachť
case with him, and he opened it very deliberately, took out the
New York Times, turned the pages over like this, folded the
paper, put the paper back and sat there like that. So I thought,
this man is right here. I thought in my mind,
ďIf you are from
another world, take your right index finger and hold it to the
right side of your nose, and keep it there.Ē
And immediately I
thought that, he did just that then got up and went back out.
PH: What book is that recorded in?
Alien Bases. So anyway, there were a few other encounters.
The one with the woman was in 1963. People have said to me, why
didnít you talk to these people? And I said, I donít know why I
didnít talk to them. Last year, I wonít go into all the details,
but I had the opportunity to talk to someone who I believe could
have been from elsewhere.
PH: Can you tell what country you were in when this other
TG: Europe will do. I had the conviction that this man was from
elsewhere. This time there was no telepathic confirmation but I
was convinced that this man was from elsewhere, and I actually
put out my hand. He barely touched it, he looked at me. I looked
him full in the face and I said,
ďI think that you have a great
deal of knowledge.Ē
He didnít say a word and that was it. Itís
very poor evidence compared to the previous one, but you get to
know little characteristics of how these people operate.
PH: We donít have a base of study for human-type aliens. So
weíre talking about evidence, there are very few people who dare
to talk about them. So we donít have any kind of protocol in
place. My book (Exopolitics - How Does One Speak to a Ball Of
Light) talks about
the Einstein-Oppenheimer document, the Majestic-12 letter where they talk about the future, getting
together and making protocols for these people who come and
visit. The question is ďwho should represent EarthĒ and that was
in 1947 that Einstein and Oppenheimer tried to give that letter
to President Truman.
TG: Is that true?
PH: You need to read what was said, because it was very
It is in the Majestic Documents.
TG: I have read them. Tim Cooper sent them to me years ago.
PH: It says that there had to be a ďsuper-United NationsĒ in
place to represent Earth because there was no one country that
could represent the human species. It said that these people
could have cultures. The date was June 1947, which was way
TG: Well, weíd recovered craft before. There was one in 1945 in
New Mexico, apparently, there was one in 1941 in Missouri
apparently. There was a Hawaiian one in 1944 the United States
Navy recovered a craft. Also, of course, Italy in 1933. Thereís
a reproduction of the document.
TG: Yes. That was just one example of the 1933 telegram
PH: You have so much work and so much research that Iím going to
focus on the human-alien question because itís the one thatís
cropped up in Italy right now with the two books that are out,
talking about underwater bases and human-type aliens. Why do you
think civilization has commercialized the one face, the one
image of the alien being, the EBE, the extraterrestrial
TG: Because the ones who look like humans are not dramatic
PH: But itís caused a lot of people to dismiss Adamski.
TG: Adamski was right on a great deal of stuff, and he also
worked for the United States government. Did you know that?
PH: No, I didnít.
TG: He had a government Ordinance Department Ė itís in Alien
Base, you can read about it.
PH: Is that why he was buried at Arlington?
TG: He was buried at Arlington because heíd served in the
military. This was around the early 1900ís. So anyone who has
served in the military can be buried at Arlington, thereís
nothing mysterious about that.
PH: Adamskiís basic message was that theyíre here, theyíre
humanoid, theyíre like us, and they have to visit all the major
TG: They did. Adamski did visit the Pope in May of 1963, thatís
PH: With a definite message.
TG: Yes. From the people he was in contact with, from other
worlds. He was also the first to say that aliens were liaising
with some of our military people. He first said that in the
PH: Okay, well, Adamski was concurrent with Eugenio Siragusa
TG: Another very interesting contactee. He went a bit peculiar
later one, but of course itís a difficult thing for people to
PH: The contactee whose story I am researching now is named
Maurizio Cavallo and he was one of Siragusaís people. He was
thirteen years old and was in Sicily. In that group, was also
Giorgio Buongiovanni with Maurizio Cavallo. And Cavallo says
that he actually saw the tall blonds with the blue outfits
walking around Siragusaís home under Mt. Etna.
TG: Iíve written about a lot of those earlier Italian cases from
the 1950ís. They are absolutely fascinating and very, very
important I think.
PH: But Timothy, he has four letters from President Eisenhower.
I have one of them in my new book.
TG: Exactly. Theyíre very interesting cases. And thereís a new
book, I gather, thatís in English, about the Italian contactees
of that period, which Iím hoping to buy while Iím here.
PH: Because Siragusa had this contact, and Adamski had this
contact, why would Eisenhower write to him?
TG: I donít know, I havenít seen the letter.
PH: I have it. Itís genuine. There are four of them.
TG: Is he still alive?
PH: No, but his wife and son are still there and are giving out
his material. Of the four letters, I have a Xerox copy of one.
Itís very cordial. Itís got Eisenhowerís name at the top, and
he just says something generic like ďYes, we will do the best
we can, weíre hoping for your best interestsĒ and so forth. Itís
signed with his signature. Are you one of the researchers who
Eisenhower had contact?
TG: Definitely. But I canít comment on the letter, because I
havenít seen it.
PH: Then that would make sense. I can send you a copy of this
letter so you can see it. What would Eisenhower be doing writing
to an Italian contactee?
TG: I feel certain there is a base in the Mediterranean.
PH: So in the 1950ís and 1960ís there was an attempt by
human-looking aliens, and letís leave
Billy Meier aside, to
contact humanity and that is generally dismissed because theyíre
TG: Yep. Those are the facts as they are related to us. They are
our older brothers, if you like. Theyíve been here much longer
than we have.
PH: I agree with you. How do we change this around, since the
contact has already happened?
TG: I donít know, I think itís going to have to come from
evidence, maybe scientific evidence of previous civilizations.
We talk about
Lemuria. Maybe some real, solid
evidence will emerge sometime in the future.
PH: Do you think our governments know that some of them look
TG: Well, when you talk about governments, you have to realize
that very few people in governments know whatís going on. Itís
such a sensitive subject that itís very, very restricted. But
those few in governments who do have access to the information,
are very well aware that there are communications and contacts
with some military people, certainly some scientists, and maybe
a few other ordinary human beings as well. And they have been
going on for a very, very long time, maybe for thousands of
PH: Do you think that any of these individuals or groups that
look like us, have been cooperating with a lot of the advanced
TG: I think itís possible, yes. But to what degree, I donít
know. Itís quite possible that we have allies, friends who have
been helping us develop more efficient ways of transportation. I
do not know for sure. I hear rumors that they have given us
weaponry. I think Canadian ex minister of Defense
sort of indicated that we were preparing for Star Wars, a war in
space, and he was very worried about all that. That would be
very worrying, I think, if thatís true. But there are
indications that there is a threat posed by some species, thatís
PH: That means theyíre not all positive. Thatís important to
note. Last question, is there a spiritual message here, and what
would it be?
TG: That we are spiritual beings, and there is a link with these
people going back millennia, and there will be positive signs on
the horizon for a tremendous advance in human understanding of
our place in the universe.
PH: So thereís still hope.
TG: Thereís the potential there, definitely, yes. One has to
PH: Is this one of the reasons why youíre still in the field,
and working so hard at disclosure?
TG: Possibly. I donít know for sure, but Iím driven. Itís
what Iím here to do, so I do it. Maybe thatís the reason.