Sophie Shevardnadze: Our
guest today is the Honorable Paul Hellyer, former Minister of
Defense of Canada, and he believes that life forms from space
are present on Earth. It's great to have you on our show.
you say that UFOs are as real as airplanes flying over our
Paul Hellyer: Because I know that they are.
As a matter
of fact, they've been visiting our planet for thousands of years
and one of the cases that would interest you most if you give me
two or three minutes to answer is that during the Cold War,
1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying south from
Russia across Europe, and Supreme Allied Command was very
concerned and about ready to press the "Panic" button when they
turned around and went back over the North Pole.
They decided to
do an investigation and they investigated for 3 years and they
decided that, with absolute certainty, four species - at least - had been visiting this planet for thousands of years.
We have a
history of UFOs and of course there has been a lot more
activity in the last few decades, since we invented the atomic
bomb and they are very concerned about that and the fact that we
might use it again, and because
the Cosmos is a unity and it
affects not just us but
other people in the Cosmos, they are
very much afraid that we might be stupid enough to start using
atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and for
them as well.
SS: No 'serious' scientist has ever publicly confirmed
evidence of an encounter with extra-terrestrials - why would
scientists not confirm the facts if they exist?
PH: I'm afraid they must go out of their way not to find out.
Even if they do 10 percent of the amount of research I've done
in the last 8 years they would be as convinced as I am. I mean,
they could do it even faster.
Might take it a little longer,
when they didn't have military background, but there are so many
wonderful books that tell these stories and they've been
authenticated; the sightings have been authenticated by more
than one witness and also by radar, and they have landed in
various places around the world, including Russia.
famous case there, I can't remember the name of the place, but
it was widely reported at the time, a man wrote a book about it
and then the French bought the book rights so it wouldn't be
There's just so much evidence, if anybody
will take a time off to do a little bit of research and study.
Some people are interested and will take the time, and the
others just say "Oh, you know it's just fantasy".
been public on this subject I get probably three or four emails
a week from all over the world, from people who've actually
witnessed sightings, and some of them who've actually been on
the ships, and some of them who've actually been transported to
This information… it is top secret in a way that
governments don't talk about it, but if you listen to
whistleblowers and to the people who have worked in the
industry, and who know what is going on, there's just a lot of
information out there and it doesn't take very long to get your
hands on it.
SS: See, the problem is that some who report UFOs sightings and
alien abductions have been shown to make things up to be famous,
to make money - or just for a prank.
How do we tell fiction from
PH: You have to spend a lot of time trying to find… we use to say
"separating wheat from the chaff", and it takes a lot of effort.
When I was minister I got sighting reports and when we checked
them out, about 80 percent, 8 out of 10, were not real, they
were sights of Venus or of plasma or a dozen other things, but
there were 15 percent or 20 percent for which there was no
explanation and they were the genuine unidentified flying
One of the conferences I went to… it was in Las Vegas…
was promoted by a chap who had written a book about crashes and
there were dozens and dozens of them and many of them very-very
well authenticated, so it would be impossible to read of that
evidence and not come to the conclusion that these vehicles were
SS: Have you ever had your own encounter with aliens?
PH: Not encounter with aliens, no. I've seen a UFO, about 120
miles north of Toronto, over Lake Muskoka, where I have a
Two years ago, at Thanksgiving, which is October, [my
wife?] said that she wanted to go out and look at the stars,
so… I'm not much of a night man… but I put on my cap and went out
with her and she looked into the eastern sky and said,
a star" and I turned the other way and said, "Oh, there's a much
brighter one over here",
...and she looked there and we watched it
until our necks almost broke for about 20 minutes, and it was
definitely a UFO because it could change position in the sky by
three or four degrees in three or four seconds.
I checked out - there were no satellites that could do that, a space station
wasn't going by and it isn't able to move that fast anyway and
there was no other explanation except that it was the real
Two days later I went down in the dark, got a comfortable
chair, and watched. It came back almost at the same spot and
entertained me for as long as I could take it.
Then I went back
to the cottage but it was very interesting because it would drop
down in the sky and then it would roar back up and it would
shift across a few degrees and do a circle and come back at just
an astronomical speed, since you know they travel very-very
SS: So does it just look like a falling star that falls really
quickly and then rises again? What does it look like?
PH: Well, it looked just like a star.
SS: It looks just like a star?
PH: I don't know if you personally have ever read the Bible or
not but I think the star of Bethlehem was one of God's flying
SS: You also told me that people write you emails, three to five
emails a week, and they've actually been abducted or they had
encounters with aliens. Do they actually tell you what these
aliens look like?
I mean, everyone's interested - how would I
know if I see an alien and he abducts me?
PH: First question you have to ask is
how many species are
there? I used to think there were between two and twelve.
astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, who came to Toronto a few years ago
and had with dinner with us agreed there were something around
two and twelve, but the latest reports that I've been getting
from various sources are that there are about 80 different
species and some of them look just like us and they could walk
down the street and you wouldn't know if you walked past one.
They are what we call "Nordic blondes" and also the Tall Whites
who were actually working with the US air force in Nevada.
They're able to get away with that, they had a couple of their
ladies dressed as nuns go into Las Vegas to shop and they
I have a friend who saw one of the men walking
along the street, he is somebody who can recognize that they
were different, and he did.
Then there's the Short Grey's as
they are called, and they are the ones you see in most of the
cartoons, they have very-very slim arms and legs, they are very
short, just a little over 5 feet, and they have a great big head
and great big brown eyes.
But, there are different species and
you have to know that they are different species and know that
they all are different.
If you saw
the Short Greys you'd
certainly know there's something up that you've never seen
before, but if you saw one of the Nordic Blondes, you'd probably
say "Oh I wonder if she's from Denmark or somewhere."
SS: So these species that you are describing - are they all
different in terms of nice and mean? Are some of them nice and
benevolent and others nasty, how are they?
Are they good to
people on Earth or are they here to harm them?
PH: It's a difficult question to answer, because they have
different agendas and maybe all of us on Earth should have the
same agenda, but you couldn't say, maybe, that Russia and China
and the US all had the same agenda at every turn, because they
I would say that nearly all are benign and benevolent and
they do want to help us, there may be one or two species which
do not. That's one of the things I'm investigating at the
moment, to see who they are, what they are up to and what their
agendas really are.
SS: These extraterrestrial creatures - where did they come from
and how did they get here, to Earth?
PH: They come from various places.
For a long while I only knew
about ones who came from different star systems -
Zeta Reticuli and several other star systems… but in the past few
months I have met [those] who made me aware that there are some
in our star system, and that there are actually
extraterrestrials who live on a planet called Andromedia, which
is one of the moons of Saturn and that there are others on Venus
some on Mars and that they may be interacting between
themselves - I suspect that they are because there is what is
a "Federation" of these people and they have rules.
example, one of the rules is that they don't interfere with our
affairs unless there are invited to - and that's one of the
reasons, probably, that we haven't seen more of them until very
SS: But, what do you mean, there are lots of people who want to
interact with them, there are a lot of people who actually want
to see them and to know who they are. What, do they need a
special invitation to interact with us?
What does it mean - "they don't want to interfere with our affairs"?
PH: They don't want to tell us how to run our affairs, they have
accepted the fact that this is our planet, and that we have the
right to run it, but they are very-very concerned: they don't
think we are good stewards of our planet, we're clear cutting
our forests, we're polluting our rivers and our lakes, and we're
dumping sewage in the oceans, and we're doing all sorts of
things which are not what good stewards of their homes should be
They don't like that and they made it very clear. As a
matter of fact they have given us a warning.
PH: This has come from more than one source…
SS: How have they made it clear, what have they done?
PH: They have talked to people.
One of the chaps I've talked
with about a month ago was interacting with them in 1974, he and
his brother, in Peru. They were taken to Andromedia,
They were told what people there think and that we're really
wrecking our planet and in fact that something dreadful is going
to happen to it if we don't smarten up and change our ways.
spend too much time fighting each other, we spend too much money
on military expenditures, and not enough on feeding the poor and
looking after the homeless and the sick, and that we are
polluting our waters and our air and that we're playing around
with these exotic weapons, thermonuclear weapons and atomic
weapons, which have such devastating effects both on Earth and
other areas of Cosmos.
They don't like that and that's the
reason they would like to work with us, to teach us better ways,
but only, I think, with our consent. They work through
individuals; they try and pick out individuals who won't be
frightened to death by them, because they can get you quite
One of the cases I'm familiar with was with the Tall
Whites in Nevada, where the US airman working with them was just
frightened to death of them, and one,
Charles Hall, rescued the
daughter of one of the high-up people in the Tall White and as
result became very good friends with the mother, and as soon as
they could trust each other, they had a wonderful relationship.
He wrote a book about it, called
"Millennial Hospitality" - it
tells you how you go through these stages, of being scared out
of your wits, but then, when you establish a trust and a working
relationship - you can have the same kind of relationship that
you would have with someone here on Earth.
SS: But here's what I'm thinking: if you are outing their
presence, which is clearly not what they want, since they are
hiding, why aren't you afraid of repercussions?
obviously stating that they are here, among us, telling me all
these species that exist…
PH: They are here among us and I'm not afraid because in most
cases, as far as technology is concerned, they are light years
ahead of us, and we have learned a lot of things from them.
lot of the things we use today
we got from them, you know - led
lights and microchips and Kevlar vests and all sorts things that
we got from their technology and we could get a lot more too,
especially in the fields of medicine and agriculture if we would
go about it peacefully.
But, I think, maybe some of our people
are more interested in getting the military technology, and I
think that's wrong-headed, and that's one of the things that we
are going to have to change, because we're going to have to work
together, all of us, everywhere on the planet.
SS: You've mentioned military technology and swapping
technologies and barters in-between aliens and people in
American government. I want to ask you as a former minister of
Defense of Canada - is interstellar war a possibility?
be creating a Star Wars force to defend ourselves from possible
invasion or something like that?
PH: I think it's a possibility, but it's a possibility
especially if we shoot down every UFO that comes into our
airspace without asking who they are and what they want.
from the beginning we started scrambling planes, trying to shoot
them down, but their technology was superior enough that we
weren't able to get away with it, certainly not for a long
During that period of time they could have taken us over
without any trouble if they wanted to, so I think, rather than
developing our own Star Wars to protect ourselves against them,
we should work with the benign species that are of a vast
majority and work together, and rely largely on them, of course,
and cooperate, so that we would be contributing something at the
I don't think there's any point in us developing a
galactic force that would tempt us to ride on our own and get
into mischief, which is one of the things that some of them are
SS: What do you expect to happen if people start to believe in
alien existence on Earth? Things are definitely going to change:
our lives aren't going to be the same anymore.
PH: I hope that's the case.
I am all for full disclosure, and
I'm going to push very hard for full disclosure in the book I'm
writing, to give some reasons for it, things that we really have
to know and have a right to know.
Our future as a species, and
here I mean all of the species in the world, is potentially at
risk if we don't figure what's going on and work together to try
and make life more amenable for all of us, and to work with our
neighbors from other planets as well.
SS: Still, I'm thinking to myself - if they've been here for
such a long time as you say, and they are interested in helping
humanity, as you say, why is our world such a mess?
If you want
help someone, you just help someone, you don't wait for that
someone to invite you to help that someone, no?
PH: I think parents sometime say to their children - "this is
what you should do", but that doesn't mean children are going to
do it, does it?
The Cosmos is based on free choice. We're given
the option of making mistakes, of making wrong choices, and I
guess, what bothers some of us, is that we've made too many
wrong choices, and not enough right choices.
So we're going to
have to start switching our priorities and stop spending so much
time and effort on weapons to kill each other, or to dominate
each other, and spend a lot more time on how to help each other
to have a better life and a more just society, and life which is
When the healthcare is better and when the food
distribution is better and when the air is cleaner and water is
cleaner and all of those things that are waiting to be done, if
we just get together and, as we say, row in the right direction,
in the same direction, it's possible, but it's a tall order and
so far we haven't done it.
My thesis is that we have to do it,
we have to start doing it right away.
SS: Thank you so much for this interesting interview and insight
on extraterrestrial life. That was Paul Hellyer, a former
Canadian Minister of Defense, who says aliens exist and live
among us on Earth.
That's all the time we have for today, I will
see you in the next edition of Sophie&Co.