In the hidden depths of the Nevada Military Complex a battle is raging. Few know just how long it has been going on. Apparently it began several years ago when the Nevada Test Site workers discovered vast subterranean cavities deep underground, possibly as a result of the underground nuclear blasts which had artificially excavated huge cavities deep below the surface.

This activity apparently corresponded with the same general time-period when the
U.S. Secret Government was making deals with the “Grays, establishing secret locations such as S-4 to study alien craft that had crashed, and constructing environmental enclosures for some of the ‘few’ alien beings that had been apprehended alive.


Much of this activity allegedly took place and is taking place within the extreme high-security areas on and below the Nevada Military Complex.

However, the reports now coming out of the ‘Complex’ suggest that far more of the alien grays, and even their reptilian overlords, are involved with the activities taking place in Nevada than even a few alien survivors of crashed disks could account for. Many accounts have spoken of vast caverns below the southern Nevada region which have allegedly been the lairs of reptilian hominoids for centuries.


All the accounts point to only one possible conclusion: That the Test Site workers broke into the native habitat of these reptilian beings, or a system of caverns which the reptilians had taken control of in the past, and as a result of the coincidental “treaties” which the governments were making with the saurian Grays (which they suspected originated from other-stellar regions), a secret treaty was made with this underground race as well, whether out of necessity or desire.


Most of the “workers” would not be aware of the alien activity taking place in these extremely lower levels due to the higher security clearances necessary to enter or even know of them.


This could explain the confusion which seems to exist there, and the comments made by workers there that ‘everything is way out of control’. It might also explain the comments made by others ‘in the know’ who have suggested that the government is in a panic since they have learned that the sauroid “aliens from other stars” have infiltrated and undermined the surface of the earth without us even knowing it, and that this is why they are in such confusion, why they are rushing head-long to develop weapons such as ‘Excalibur’ to destroy subterranean alien strongholds, and so on.


In the movie ‘THEY LIVE’, which depicted an infiltration of human society utilizing underground ‘bases’ beneath major cities, one of the “human resistance” members asks: “How long have they been here?” Later he comes to realize... “Maybe they’ve always been here!”


Perhaps the reason behind the supposed alien infestation and undermining of the cavernous depths of the earth could be explained by the possibility that they have ALWAYS been here, or have been for some time. Do not accounts of reptilian hominoids date back to prehistoric times when the dinosaurs walked the surface of the earth?


Keep this possibility in mind when trying to fit the following accounts into your framework of reality. Is it possible that a subterranean race, working closely with others of their kind which long ago left the earth for extraterrestrial realms, is staging (via subversion, implantation, disinformation, conversion, implantation and infiltration) a takeover of human society FROM ABOVE AND BELOW?

The following is a transcript of an interview which took place between a Radio host by the name of Chuck Harder and George Knapp, a journalist for KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada.


The transcript of the interview appeared in ‘FOR THE PEOPLE’ Magazine, and because of it’s obviously remarkable nature, including the large number of well-known people involved, we will record the majority of the interview here:

CHUCK HARDER: “...My guest has (now) called in and I’m going to run down who he is and where he’s from for a number of reasons, some of them for his own protection. George, are you there...”

GEORGE KNAPP: “Hello Chuck”


CH: “Please tell us, you are George Knapp, right...”

GK: “That’s right”


CH: “George, what do you do for a living?”

GK: “I’m a journalist with KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the CBS affiliate here.”


CH: “So you are a TV newsman...”

GK: “Right”


CH: And you work for Channel 18, KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada...”

GK: “Right”


CH: “I understand that you have come upon some very interesting information and you’ve done some special reports, could you tell us about it...?”

GK: “Well we just finished a nine-part series - what may be the longest series that’s ever been done on this subject dealing with UFO’s.

“Our research actually started about two and a half years ago, a fellow named John Lear, the son of the guy who invented the Lear Jet brought some of this information to our attention. In May of this year, Mr. Lear introduced us to a fellow who claims to have worked at a secret base designated S-4...on a top-secret Nevada test site... the fellow said that he worked on ‘flying saucers’, that the technology was not from Earth, and we interviewed him live in silhouette in May, the response was incredible...we got response from Japan, parts of that interview aired on radio in Europe, and six different European countries... so we decided with this much interest we might want to take a look at the subject more in depth.

“We started doing that and the first thing we found out is that really UFO’s have not been given a fair shake by science, by government, by religion and especially by journalism. Millions of people have seen UFO’s, millions more believe (in them)... I think the latest Gallup poll shows about 70 percent of college-educated Americans believe that there’s something to it, but because of the tabloid aspects... ‘The Girl Who Gives Birth to 52 UFO Babies’ - kind of things in the NATIONAL ENQUIRER, people have shied away from it...


Serious people have shied away. Scientists, although they might be interested in searching the universe for radio signals really don’t want to look in their own back years - they can’t get grants... people would laugh at them. Journalism - the coverage is generally condescending and quirky, especially by the networks, as in the coverage of the UFO that supposedly landed in the USSR, people making fun of it... so, we figured out that millions of people want to know as Roy Neary the guy in the, ‘CLOSE ENCOUNTERS’ movie said, ‘What’s going on?’


So we started investigating it. The focal point of the story being this fellow who said he worked at Los Alamos National Labs and they said they never heard of him. We called MIT where he says he went to school and they never heard of him. We called for his birth records and they had disappeared... as if someone was trying to make him a non-person. We did however confirm some of the information that he had given us... we found newspaper articles from Los Alamos indicating that he had indeed worked there... we found an old telephone book from the lab with his name in it, which gave him a certain amount of credibility in our eyes.


The story he tells is an incredible one. He was hired to work at this area called S-4 on the test site, he was flown up to a place called Groom Lake - taken by bus with no windows to S-4... the base is built almost to look like it’s part of the desert with sand covering hanger doors, he goes inside and he starts reading these briefing papers dealing with UFO’s! Pictures of UFO’s on the walls, pictures of aliens, autopsy reports on alien bodies...things of this nature - he’s pretty amazed. Then he sees the disks.


He says there are nine of the disks up there, they are powered by an anti-matter reactor which produces it’s own gravitational that does not exist on this planet, and the interesting thing...he thought for a while that perhaps it was just an advanced secret scientific project that our government is pursuing until he looked inside one of the disks and noticed the small furniture...all the chairs were built like (they were made) for children. And then things started coming together for him. Are you with me Chuck?”  


CH: “I’m listening...”

GK: “Er, I’m not sure how much detail you want me to go in on...”


CH: “Oh, I think you ought to keep going...”

GK: “Well this fellow was up there only a few months. And it was a rough place to work... the security was so hard and he was being harassed at home, his phone being tapped... plus he’s on to what he thinks are the secrets of the universe...he starts to tell other people about it, confide with close friends.”


CH: “Ummmm.”

GK: “He had the date of a couple of tests and on two consecutive weekends he took people up to the desert outside of the boundaries of area S-4, and they videotaped the saucers...what looks like a saucer coming over the mountains!”


CH: “Wow”

GK: “We showed the video as well...”


CH: “Um huhmm...”

GK: “Five different people that we interviewed that had gone up there confirmed the same story...we also had confirmation of other bits of his story from other people, a former security guard who worked up there... who said he had seen the saucers; a former technician...”


CH: “By the way, excuse me, I have some letters from some people postmarked from that area, one inside a base, who tells me what your saying is true. Keep going.”

GK: “Ah, we also found a Nellis Airman who had been on radar duty at Nellis air base which is just south of the area that this fellow is talking about...he reported numerous times seeing...”


CH: “George, excuse me...let me do the half hour news break. I want you to tell your story, I want America to hear it...Please stand by.”

(At this point SUN RADIO NETWORK runs the half hour news headlines and sports audio package from UPI. After the news the guest is re-introduced for listeners who may have just tuned in...)


CH: “How many reports did you do, George?”

GK: “We did nine total in this series.”


CH: “OK, now at the time we went to the news on the half hour you told me that a scientist named Bob Lazar...”

GK: “Right”


CH: “OK, (he) came to tell you and came to the public and apparently was concerned for his safety because he wanted to tell America or get the news out that - yes, the Federal Government has nine saucers, and yes they are’s near Nellis, is it not?”

GK: “Yes.”


CH: “Cause I have letters from people who are at Nellis.  Some of which don’t want to give their names, I have the postmarks. Tell us now if you would, start the story from the fact that the gentleman has revealed that there are nine of these things. We’re listening and so is America.”

GK: “Well we wanted to try to confirm as much of his story as possible for other sources of course, so we started looking for other people who might have knowledge of what’s going on up I mentioned, I found a former security guard who said that he had seen the saucers up there, I found a Nellis airman who had worked in radar and said that basically he and his fellow airman has seen these things flying over the Groom Mountains at speeds up to 7,000 miles per hour on radar...these things would stop on a dime, so the guy knew that this is not your average airplane that’s doing this.


We also interviewed the other people who went with Lazar up on two consecutive weeks, they test them on Wednesdays for some reason, and videotaped the tests, saw these things flying over the mountains and confirmed his story as well. We put these questions to the Navy, who Lazar says he worked for up there - we made FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT requests as well - so I don’t put a lot of faith in the FOI requests.”


CH: “In other words what you’re saying is that your organization which is KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, plus many other UFO research groups have uncovered many UFO documents that the government says, ‘Yeah we got them and yeah it’s true’...but then when you ask them again they say, ‘No we don’t have them’”.

GK: “Exactly...that’s exactly correct!”


CH: “I understand from MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) and many other groups that there are somewhere from four to seven thousand documents that prove that...yes these things exist, copies of the documents are in private hands, then you go and ask the government and they say, ‘Well, er, no we don’t remember...’”

GK: “The government says that they have done these studies that say that UFO’s are no threat to national security, they’re either psychological aberrations, which means that people are nuts when they see them, that’s what they feed the public...but behind the scenes they are very concerned about the national security implications of UFO’s that land at nuclear missile bases and can’t be caught, things of that nature. So the government from what I’ve read is very concerned about the phenomena and doesn’t understand it.


The government on the other hand has outright lied concerning what information it does have...the CIA for example says it doesn’t collect any information on UFO’s...well that’s just patently not true. We have documents from the CIA, a lot of it is blacked out, which mentions UFO studies by the CIA, UFO research, CIA-UFO experts, agency personnel who are monitoring the phenomenon, so they have lied to us all along. I didn’t expect to get any confirmation regarding what Lazar has to say, but had to give it a try anyway.”


CH: “Before we went to the half-hour break you said that when he looked inside one of these discs there were little furniture, give me some information...”

GK: “Well he feels that they were bringing him along, giving him a piece at a time. He would see a saucer one day, the next he would see the hanger doors open and see all nine of them...after that he got to see the inside of the thing. He also got to see a demonstration of it. He was told to stand back and watch this...and the thing lights up real bright...I guess the power that’s produced is incredible, you need to produce your own gravitational field, and it raised up, did a couple maneuvers and sat back down. Part of the reason he came forward, not to spill the secrets of the universe or the government, but because the research that’s being done up there is being handled in a clumsy fashion.


If they have had these for as long of forty years, which is what he believes, they haven’t come too far in trying to understand them. Some of the disks he said he saw up there were being taken apart, kind of a reverse archeology process to figure out how they worked. Some of the research going on up there is aimed at trying to duplicate the things that these machines can do using earth technologies and earth materials and he says it just can’t be done.


The key to the flying of these things is something he calls ‘Element 115’ (elsewhere Lazar stated that this is an extremely ‘heavy’ element - Branton) does not exist on our periodic charts, he believes that wherever it came from it’s a naturally occurring element, he says we have 500 pounds of the stuff up there, just a little tiny sliver of it produces incredible amounts of power.


It’s the ‘115’ that we will not be able to duplicate so he of the reasons he came forward is because scientists all over the world are working, putting their energy into trying to master the secrets of gravity and the secrets of anti-matter technology and here we’ve got it up there and they’re not doing a very good job with it - this little batch of scientists hidden in the desert are trying to figure it out and not doing a very good job...”


CH: “But this is kind of common with the United States...I read five newspapers a day and I’ll find where one group in one part of the country is working on a project and I’ll get a clipping where another group is working on the same project, I’ve contacted them and they don’t know each other!”

GK: “Yeah, yeah - that’s exactly right...he said compartmentalization up there was very severe as well so that nobody had the full picture - I guess so nobody could spill the beans as he has been trying to do.”


CH: “All right, what does he feel the public should know and what does he feel should be done?”

GK: “Well, he’s not on a campaign, what he really wanted to do was to save his own life. He started having some problems when it became obvious to his employers that he was telling someone else about this.”


CH: “We’re talking about Bob Lazar now...”

GK: “Bob Lazar... his phone being tapped, people visiting him, calling him up with a single word message - DEAD - then they hang up! He tried to arrange meetings with his former supervisor and the meetings didn’t come off, he says somebody took a shot at him on the freeway...obviously he realizes that if they really wanted to kill him, they could. Maybe perhaps they were just trying to shut him up. He feels that what is going on up there is a crime against the entire scientific community...not only the American people because we don’t know what’s going on and we haven’t been told alien technology exists, but also against the scientific community. So, what else can I tell ya?”


CH: “What does he say about the aliens?”

GK: “He’s reluctant to talk about that, apparently he did see some aliens up there...”


CH: “Excuse me, are you telling me there were live aliens?”

GK: “Yeah, he’s kind of sketchy on the details of that, and I don’t think I should go much further on that...part of the discussion until I can talk to him, but he has indications that there are aliens up there, at least one...”


CH: “Live?”

GK: “Yeah, it’s pretty wild, I know and I didn’t include that in our reports because I couldn’t confirm anything of that nature, I couldn’t find anyone else who had seen them up there so...”


CH: “What did they look like?”

GK: “Your classic Grey...the little big-headed almond-eyed grey-skinned being...the same ones in the classic descriptions of the UFO literature...he’s kind of squeamish talking about it as well because it sounds so crazy...”


CH: “I don’t think it’s crazy at all, there was an article yesterday on the front page of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL where the FDA... stopped all the grapes from Chile last March... apparently somebody laced two of the grapes with cyanide a couple hours before the FDA stumbled on them and it was in inside job apparently while the grapes were in the inspection station... and it was not done on the way, so somebody’s lying there - we’re talking of two little grapes that almost bankrupted the country of Chile! If two little grapes... and such a story hits the front page of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL about the truthfulness and what happened with the FDA, what about would this ever get out if they would cover up a story about TWO LITTLE GRAPES!”

GK: “Well, I tell you we ask the question, the obvious question, if this is true how can the government keep this a secret all this time? A story this big - the government leaks like a sieve on other things, how could the cover-up exist?”


CH: “Oh, I’ll tell you...”

GK: “To which Lazar responds, this is the easiest...and he asked the question to his superiors up there, it’s the easiest thing in the world to keep a secret because if it does come out, little bits and pieces, who’s going to believe it!”


CH: “Exactly...let me, you remember the Condon Report, do you not?”

GK: “Yes...”


CH: “For those who are listening, I got into this investigation because I kept getting letters from our listeners who said, Chuck you ought to investigate this... we’ve investigated many things in the past such as the GM Diesel cover-up; we’re working on a pay-phone cover-up; we’ve done things with Ralph Nader...and so on. So we started buying the books and contacting UFO organizations. I then found that there was a guy named Phil Klass who was always there... somehow he was always there and he said that everything was BUNK! and of course, he works for the AVIATION WEEK magazine which is of course... the mouthpiece for the Military/Industrial complex and they certainly wouldn’t want this technology to be out! I was also amazed when I saw the stealth bomber (tests) live on CNN one Saturday and a small plane landed at the same place, (runway) do you remember that...?”

GK: “Yes...”


CH: “My question is: If the Stealth Bomber was so super secret, how could a man and his child land their little tiny plane on the same runway at a super secret airforce base? How could he have pierced the radar and fighter jets and so forth? My feeling was, probably the Stealth Bomber was obsolete and nobody was watching!”

GK: “Yeah, I’d have to agree with you, because the secrecy up there...the only thing that comes out of that place is what they want out of it.”


CH: “So what you’re talking about then, since the Condon committee, Phil Klass and all of the spokespeople who are supposed to know everything, what you are saying is the ridicule factor... if Billy Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo of it and takes it to the paper, everybody laughs at him!”

GK: “There are actual documents the government has released (under the Freedom of Information Act) that shows it is an actual program that started back in the fifties...the CIA even used the term DEBUNKING, there were discussions about using Walt Disney to produce cartoons that made fun of people who had seen flying saucers...they were going to bring Arthur Godfrey in as their spokesperson. Phil Klass as you mentioned, he’s explained away UFO sightings seen by thousands of people as the constellation ORION, when you can only see ORION from the other side of the planet.”


CH: “Uh huh...”

GK: “He uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to explain the sightings where plasma balls only last for a few seconds and the examples that he is trying to explain occur in cloudless skies where there is no lightning around. You mention the Condon report, that’s a perfect example of the kinds of things that the government has done in the past, they commission a study, it’s supposed to be THE STUDY, but the guy they hire to run the thing, Edward Condon, had said before he even started, there was nothing to UFO’s, the government should get out of it, and he also said at one point that the authors of UFO books should be HORSE-WHIPPED! One of the explanations that came from the Condon committee, (an event) witnessed by several people, they described it as, a natural phenomena so rare that it has never been seen before or since! I don’t think this kind of thing is an accident!”


CH: “OK, the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a UFO) and from what I have heard there are different kinds of aliens, some have been coming here for years and years and it’s nothing new...”

GK: “Right...”


(Note: At this point they engage in a discussion of the ‘Billy Meier’ case which took place in Switzerland. One of the craft described by Lazar was allegedly very similar to one of the craft described by Meier. Lazar said that all nine of the objects he had seen in the S-4, Groom Lake area were different, and he nicknamed the object that was similar to the one Meier photographed the ‘sport model’. After this Chuck Harder tells George Knapp that there is a break coming up and that after the break would he please tell Mr. and Mrs. America what they should do to get the truth).


CH: “I hope that Mr. and Mrs. America make note of the name George Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to them, you know why.”

GK: “Someone should tell us what’s going on...TV and movies have conditioned us...We won’t panic... Jimmy Carter when he ran for President promised that if he was elected that he vowed to open all the UFO files and he didn’t - we wrote him asking why and he didn’t respond. We want the government to come clean...”


(At this point the listeners were invited to contact George Knapp as KLAS-TV., P.O. Box 15047., Las Vegas, Nevada 89144)

One group that is allegedly tied-in with the inner workings of the government-alien interaction and/or conflicts are known as the “Delta” Force.


The Delta’s, some allege, are a secret military group who have been recruited by the government in order to perform certain functions in relation to the so-called ‘joint-interaction’ projects involving deep-level government organizations and the ‘aliens’ (Greys).

At the beginning of the ‘interaction’, the government was optimistic about their new-found alliance with an apparently benevolent race of non-human beings. When the government finally discovered the true nature of the ‘aliens’, also known as the ‘greys’, that ‘they’ were using the ‘treaties’ with the U.S. government merely as a means to further their infernal plans to bring the human race under their control, then according to various sources ‘all hell broke loose!’.


The government-CIA in their zeal to establish contact with what they hoped were technological ‘saviors’ from the stars, had ‘bargained away’ much of what they had. When the ‘Horrible Truth’ was discovered it was too late, the aliens already had too much control and their physical and occult conquest was increasing every day. And the Delta’s were caught right in the middle.

The Delta Groups (or National Recon Group), wear the ‘Trilateral’ insignia, a black triangle on a red background. ‘Delta’ is also the fourth letter in the Greek alphabet, which has the form of a triangle. The symbol appears prominently in certain Masonic lodges, and is said to have had it’s origin with the aliens (or serpent race).

The Delta Forces were the major group which, according to some sources, were involved in the attempted operation which was implemented to rescue several scientists who were being held captive within the deepest levels of the ‘Dulce’ complex below northwestern New Mexico. These workers had stumbled across the ‘Horrible Truth’, and according to some sources over 66 persons, many of them Delta Forces, were slaughtered by the inhuman inhabitants and controllers of those lower levels. Some allege that Air Force Blue Berets were also involved in this conflict, which was later to become known as the ‘Dulce Wars’. Exactly what part the Blue Berets played, however, is uncertain.

With this in mind, the reader might better understand the following revelations which were released by former Naval Petty Officer and Intelligence worker,
William Cooper. On January 10, 1989, Mr. Cooper sent the following statement to various different researchers:

“The following information was extracted from a rather long treatise/transcript/conversation between an individual and another who was assigned to DELTA SECURITY:

“01:   Delta security has a lot to do with inter-service projects.
“02:   The Trilateral insignia (alien) is valid and has been used to mark equipment.
“03:   ‘The whole thing is grim and won’t get any better.’
“04:   The Trilateral insignia has been seen on a disk at Edwards AFB, CA and
Area 51 in NV.
“05:   There is a hanger at Edwards referred to as the Delta Hanger.
“06:   The Delta Hanger is on the North Base at Edwards.
“07:   You need a special badge to get near it. It is a red badge with a black triangle on the face of it and personal information on the back.
“08:   Disk in hanger at Edwards described as having insignia on the underside and on the top. It was about 50’ in diameter, appearing like tarnished silver, about 15 to 18 feet thick. There were what looked like windows around the raised portion that were mostly described as rectangular. There was a groove around the disk about 4 feet from the edge all the way around. There was an area on the bottom that looked like vents or louvers.
“09:   When people assigned to Delta would break down and cry for no apparent reason, you would never see them again.
“10:  Apparently, the NRO (National Recon Organization) recruits for DELTA out of Fort Carson, Colorado.
“11:  Just about everyone assigned to DELTA are orphans, have no relatives, etc.
“12:  There are ‘bounty hunters’ connected with Dreamland.
“13:  If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or are not back on time they send ‘bounty hunters’ after you. That’s where the ‘visitors’ live...there is an underground facility...
“14:  Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. The disks are flown there.
“15:  One of the craft looked like an upside-down diamond.
“16:  There is a radiation hazard apparent when some of the craft fly.
“17:  No one stays at Dreamland for more than a few months.
“18:  ‘Everything is way out of control...’”
(no longer under ‘human’ control? - Branton)

The following conversation, in relation to the Nevada Military Complex and the ‘underground facilities’, took place on the “Billy Goodman Happening” - KVEG Radio 840 AM, Las Vegas, Nevada, on November 19, 1989. It was transcribed by a Las Vegas resident.

Billy Goodman incidentally, has personally planned visits, in collaboration with KNBC Radio in Los Angeles, to observe the ‘disks’ which are being tested at Groom Lake. Goodman and others claimed to have seen these disks in operation, and back up these claims with video documentation. One such video shows a hovering object making a vertical ascent, stop in mid-air, make a horizontal traverse, followed by another vertical ascent. Something like this would be impossible for any conventionally known aircraft of the time to duplicate.


Billy Goodman has been very instrumental in getting the information out about the underground base (i.e. the ‘underground facility’ where the ‘visitors’ live, according to Bill Cooper’s source which we’ve just quoted) at Site 51:

In the following annotated transcript, the caller will be identified as ‘C’ and Billy Goodman as ‘B’:

B: Hi! Your on the Billy Goodman Happening on KVEG! Sir, what can I do for you tonight?

C: O.K. Are you ready? Hang on to your seats! Here goes! We are going 3,000 feet underground! O.K. We get to that point, 3,000 feet. We come out into a stainless steel atmosphere... and we come upon people that are ah... construction people... working people, and so forth that are supposed to be in that area. Then we come upon another people who push us into another little room. They tell us, “Do not come out of that area, until your told to.” These guys are 6 minute marines, all right? They tell us, “If you do, you are going to get hurt!” OK? So we are construction workers!


B: Where are you working? Where is what you are describing to us.

C: On a certain test site!


B: A certain test site! Which one? You can’t reveal which one?

C: We’re kinda mixed up! We don’t know what the hell is going on. We’re making ah... good bucks... and everything has come down on us... and they are hurting us! OK? So we are contractors! We are workers! OK? So there’s a person that I called and explained what is happening to me and they told me to call you and tell you! So, that is what I am doing right now! Calling you!


B: You presented it in a very odd way! First of all I didn’t know if you were going to be serious or what! Are you saying to me that you are a construction worker and you had to go 3,000 feet under ground? First of all what would you be doing underground? Let me ask you that!

C: We are running lights and power.


B: And who assigned you this job?

C: It’s through Reynold’s Electronics. I have to say that because I get my pay check from someone else! (Note: Reynold’s Electronics is tied-in to “E.G. & G.” Corporation which DOES IN FACT work with and contract through the Nevada Test Sites - Branton)


B: They tell you to put these lights underground?

C: Yeh, but there’s more to it than that! I’m sort of afraid of expressing. Am I talking to you or what?


B: Yes, you are talking directly to me!

C: OK. You know some of the things that are happening, shouldn’t be. It should be made public! The public should know what the hell is going on! And it scares the hell out of me. What is not being brought out you know? For example, can I give you an example? Here’s an example!


A few weeks back we were inside a certain cavern going through stainless steel halls, going north, and as we move along we are hanging lights. In the rooms are... they’re like operating rooms. All of a sudden, off the elevator, our U.S. Marines come out, crash us down off our scaffold, pushing us down, and then into a room. This is taking a hell of a lot out of me to tell you this right now! The bosses come into the room and we’re getting debriefed and all this kind of stuff and all of a sudden they are carrying fixed bayonets. Now I fought in Vietnam and I thought these guys were my buddies!

Oh, no way! Forget it! These guys are from outer space!

(Note: There is a slight possibility that the ‘soldiers’ which this man encountered were not human marines, but we will deal with this bizarre possibility later on - Branton)

These people brought these little characters on gurneys, OK? They had big heads and little bodies and they went into this little room. Then, behind them, these doctors in white coats and stuff! And we was really at ah... we didn’t know what the hell was going on! We were shocked to hell! ...I was SCARED man!


B: Well, sure you didn’t know what was going on and didn’t expect it! I guess them handling you upset you first of all. Being man to man, you thought why should you treat me this way! And that’s to be expected. As far as knowing where you are I have no idea.

C: I know where I was! I worked there every day! I keep a log and if someone asks me I know what’s going on! I’m telling you man they’re not telling us the truth. There is something damn wrong within our government. I only got a glimpse of this scientist on television (i.e. most likely referring to Robert Lazar - Branton) but I know he’s not telling much of what he knows. I’m just a worker. A hammer and nail man. This guy’s got more brains than I do, and would know more about it than I do. There’s something INSIDE they aren’t telling us!


B: OK. I understand that! Now what do you want us to do about it?



B: I think you’ve done that yourself, just now! Now you haven’t told us your location and I think that’s important so we have some idea where this is. I hope you understand at this moment...

C: I work at Mercury, Nevada and I’m the best electrician there. This is between you and me now. I don’t want anybody else to know about this!


B: But your on the air Sir!

C: You mean somebody knows about this besides you and me?


B: But you are talking over the radio, Sir! Everybody, all over the West Coast that is listening has just heard you! So you’ve gotten your word out. Now let’s see if anybody else knows about it. Maybe just maybe, we’ll get some calls from some of the people that work with you.

C: Wait a minute! You mean somebody else knows about this beside you and me?


B: Now, this is a talk show, you called a talk show. I am over the radio - that’s where you called!

C: OH, MY God!!!


B: Why, what’s wrong with that? You called a talk show!

C: I thought I was just talking to you!


B: Now you said someone told you to call me. Was it someone you work with?

C: Yes.


B: Nobody knows who you are. You haven’t said your name or anything! Now, let’s see if anyone will back up your story!

C: But I didn’t know other people would hear this. Now I’m scared for my life! There’s tremendous stuff out there that’s being hidden. It’s being corrupted inside. It’s being stashed away.


B: Well that’s what we do here. We are trying to bring the information out, and it’s people like yourself who are making that happen. They bring us information all the time! Are you trying to bring the information out yourself because you don’t like what’s going on?

C: I fear for my life because I’ve seen what happened. I fear for my life because the government is lying to me.


B: OK. Why do you fear for your life? Have you been threatened?

C: Before you even go down in the pit they threaten you!  That is you tell anything of what you saw, you are dead!!!


B: But you’re not saying more than what you saw. Is there anything else you want to say before we say thank you for calling?

C: Yes, one other thing. Whenever it gets down to the nitty gritty, it will be clear to the people, that what they are seeing on the news, is true! We’ve got six little bodies under ground, man!!!


B: Please keep in touch, OK? (end of transcript)

The reference to Reynold’s Electrical, by the way, may be explained more fully in it’s connection with E.G. & G., from the following reference which we quote from an article that appeared in a newspaper called the REVIEW-JOURNAL, January 9th, 1990.

This Associated Press article stated:

“Three Nevada-based EG&G companies employ most of the workers at the Nevada Test Site, the nation’s nuclear proving grounds 65 miles northwest of Las Vegas.

“The companies employ 8,000 people: 1,500 at EG&G Energy Measurements Inc.; 1,000 at EG&G Special Projects; and 5,500 at Reynolds Electrical and Engineering Co.”

Actually, present officials working at the Nevada Test Site are apparently, for the most part, refusing the advice of the FOUNDER of EG&G., Herald “Doc” Edgerton, who once made the following statement at a meeting of the Archaeological Society of America:

“Work like hell, TELL EVERYONE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, close a deal with a handshake, and have fun.”

Edgerton apparently was no supporter of ‘official secrecy’, yet many of those now involved in this company are being threatened to remain silent to the point of endangering their very lives if they speak out about what they have seen.


Incidentally, Robert Lazar was hired by EG&G himself to work at the S-4 installation at Groom Lake. In fact, we will now relate another conversation which took place on the “Billy Goodman Happening” almost a week after the conversation which is recorded above. There are apparently SOME EMPLOYEES working at the Nevada Test Site, who ARE speaking out about what is going on there, like the one who called in to the Billy Goodman show on Nov. 24, 1989, apparently partly in response to the caller from Mercury, Nevada mentioned earlier, AND in response to Bob Lazar’s experiences, etc.

The person who transcribed this particular program indicated that they had missed the first 15 seconds or so of the callers conversation.


This is NOT the same caller whose conversation we just described. In the following transcript, (C:) indicates ‘Caller’; (B:) indicates ‘Billy Goodman’; and (B.L.:) refers to ‘Bob Lazar’, who was Goodman’s guest for that evening:

C: ...Well, we’re kinda fed up with what’s going on, right!  And I mean nothing gets done without the ants! We are the ants! We are the construction workers, O.K.? We put things together and take them apart! You are the scientists (referring here to Robert Lazar - Branton). You do all the higher level of knowledge stuff, right?


We do all the putting in this and putting in that: installing, construction and so forth! Well we heard about your situation, and it’s going through a whole bunch of grape vines, OK? It’s coming together where people are meeting in small groups and they’re trying to organize a support for you to back you up! Out of the meeting we had yesterday of 7 people, counting myself there are two that will come forward and support you! What they SAW, what they are INVOLVED WITH! The other guys are just scared to death and I’m a little scared myself, you know!


B.L.: Do these people work in area S-4?

C: Yeh, all over the area!

B.L.: That would be great!

C: Mostly UNDERGROUND! The deep sections of the area! The whole thing!

B: How do you feel Bob? Sounds like you are getting some support!

B.L.: Yea, that’s great! There’s power in numbers!

C: We are trying to get things where it will be safe! You know what I mean Bob?

B.L.: Oh yeah, I do!

C: It’s kinda hard to talk to you like this you know but the guys are for you! People are for you and everybody’s wanted to do something a long time ago but nobody knew what they could do.

B.L.: Yeh, that was the consensus when I was down there! Everybody wanted to do something. I’m glad everyone has that attitude!

C: Yeh, you are probably the beginning of the first motion of the wheel you know! The first turn! The wheel is gonna turn faster and faster in order to get where we want to get to!

B.L.: Well hopefully that will be the case! Do you think these people would come forward if there was some sort of congressional amnesty for them?

C: I don’t know but we all know a lot! We know our jobs well, like you do!

B.L.: I’m sure you do.

C: What we have to do is be firm about it, get to the point and say, “Hey, here’s what’s happening!” Why don’t you tell the people what’s happening? Why keep it a secret? Like before you walk into those hangers there. Somebody had to install this and install that! It’s frightening. It scared the heck out of me. We got together out at Lathrup Wells and kicked it around. We B.S.’ed a little bit and said, “We gotta do something!” SO WE DID SOMETHING YESTERDAY. Like I said: there’s only two of the seven of us who are willing to do something.

B: Sir, Sir! Is there anything we can do to help you in this matter? Is there anything the listening people can do? I know they are behind Bob Lazar 100%. I had him on here one night and there hasn’t been one person by either mail, or by telephone, who has disputed what he has said! So they are behind him. Is there anything we can do?

C: Well you could form some kind of walk or picket! Or announce it on the street. Tell them we want to know! WE WANT TO KNOW!!!

B: When you say on the street, are you talking about downtown Las Vegas?


B: What do you think of that Bob? Do you think that would do anything?

B.L.: Certainly if these people come forward! They have a LOT to lose, if people start making a ruckus like that! They could lose their jobs right away! They talked about there being a ten year jail term and a $10,000 fine for divulging information like that! I mean they have a lot to lose! You might...

B: But you know something Bob? It’s almost like...

C: We have the first amendment on our side!

B.L.: Yeh, you do but... have you thought about contact(ing) George Knapp? He’s looking for anybody that is coming forward from S-4, and any surrounding areas having knowledge at all about that area or any of the flying saucer information! He’s gathering all he can and doing a lot to try and expose it!

B: You might want to contact George! That might be a good idea! But I think there’s another side to this. It’s almost like they’re not concerned any more about their jobs. They’re more concerned about the Constitution! They’re more concerned about Humanity! That’s the impression I get!

B.L.: Yeh, you get that point but you have to feed yourself too!

B: Well you know, there are people that take chances in life, and sometimes they wind up with something better. Later on... down the line. You know what I’m saying? Someone like yourself. I’m not saying this would happen by coming forward, taking a chance, and all of a sudden, say, the government cut you off. You might get an offer for a better position. You follow what I’m saying? Because there are people who own the businesses that believe the way you believe. And I believe this! I hear this gentleman talking and it’s happening more and more. There are people out there who would LOVE to come forward with information.

C: But somebody has to start it.

B: Right. And I think you’ve done that Bob! You started the ball rolling. I know you did. I think what is going to happen is the people who have been wanting to say something; this might be a relief for them. It’s coming out and they won’t have to keep it inside any more!

B.L.: That was the general consensus when I was out there.

B: Well obviously they want out too. They want to tell the truth.

C: Bob, did you have any work underground? IN THE TUNNELS?

B.L.: No! I have a friend whose dad worked on some of the drilling equipment! I know there’s some tunnels down there!

C: There’s more than just tunnels down there! There’s everything you can imagine down there. I know cause we put it up!!! We installed. We did everything. I just want you to know that the M.W.s (Mercury Workers) are gathering together in small groups trying to put something together for you and contact you somehow to join you. If the people want to join us in a march or whatever it’s going to be, that’s what we’re going to do!

B.L.: Oh! That’s super!

C: So we’re with you man!

B: Thanks for the call sir! Have a nice night. Bob, it sounds as though people are starting to come forward.


(end of transcript)

Still on the subject of the strange events taking place in (and beneath) southern Nevada, we quote here part of a letter written by a subscriber to N.A.R. (Nevada Aerial Research - now Leading Edge Research), who made the following statements:

“...Bob Lazar, the scientist, was talking about riding in a bus with the windows blacked out and it brought back something an airline stewardess told me last summer (1989). She said, ‘I’m trying to relocate to another part of the country right now. Once a week, I’m assigned to a flight that I hate! We only have Armed Forces officers on THIS flight. Before we take off, we are instructed to pull the window covers over the windows!


After we take off, we circle widely, about 15 minutes (it would be unnoticeable to most people) - fly straight for 15 minutes, circle again about 15 minutes and then land. After we land the flight crew is ushered into a lounge. A half hour later we repeat the process back to Las Vegas. The people are all different on the return trip. We are told, ‘Don’t tell anyone about these flights!’ I just can’t stand the tension on this flight!’

“I think these trips are to Groom Lake!

“The jets are still swarming over the Blue Diamond area.  It’s VERY odd. I know in my heart that it’s more than just practice flights!

“Something else very odd: (I think this might have something to do with the tunnels). The apartment complex where I work (fourplexes) (450 of them)... Two or three days ago the manager asked the maintenance men if any of them were doing any work in ONE of the buildings. Everybody said no.


She said ALL 4 APARTMENTS in that building had called her and said that an explosion knocked all the pictures off their walls and broke them. No one else, from any other building felt anything. The man I said who saw the landing at Holloman beat a path to me to tell me about this ...A Las Vegas subscriber.”

In addition to this, here is another item which appeared in one of the NAR newsletters:

“On November 25th (1990), television station Channel 8 in Las Vegas televised a two hour special on UFOs, Area 51, S-4 and the UFO cover-up. It is revealed that some of the people who contacted Channel 8 had their homes broken into in Las Vegas...”

Also, the following information appeared in the NAR Newsletter, under the heading: “INTELLIGENCE REPORT” (also in reference to the UFO-Military connection):

“NRO - National Recon Organization: Based at Fort Carson, Colorado. Responsible for all alien or alien craft connected projects. Use unmarked black helicopters.

“DELTA - Security teams from NRO specially trained to provide tasked PROJECTS/LUNA security (MEN IN BLACK). This project is ongoing.

“BLUE TEAM - The first project responsible for reaction/recovery of downed/crashed alien craft and/or aliens. This was an AF Material Command project.

“UFO sightings of craft accompanied by black helicopters are REDLIGHT assets that originate at Groom Lake (Dreamland), Area 51 north of Las Vegas.



(Note: These are some of the ‘secret projects’ allegedly relating to the U.S. Government’s interaction with the UFO phenomena. Further details on these projects are available from Leading Edge Research., P.O. Box 481-MU58., Yelm, WA 98597. Although L.E.R. carries much documentable information from very reliable sources, the reader should be warned that they also carry some “occult channeled” information of an extremely dubious nature, which CANNOT be physically substantiated. But the “documentation” it does carry is extensive and very well compiled - Branton).


(Project Snowbird is considered by some to be a ‘red herring’ to keep investigators from looking into Project Redlight, which is concerned with UFOs. - Ed.)



The ‘INTELLIGENCE REPORT’ segment in NAR-LER also revealed the following information concerning former Naval Officer Bill Cooper (who claims to have seen a copy of the ‘Grudge/Blue Book Report No. 13,’ while on active duty several years ago):

“Bill Cooper recently received some strange phone calls in which the following statements were made by the caller:

“’I called to tell you that you are wrong about the alien base. LUNA is the name of the base on the far side of the moon. The earth base is called Dreamland.

“’You are in over your head. Would you like to end up in an asylum? If you continue your activities you will meet me sooner than you think. You should know who I am.’

“Bill Cooper has some comments. We will print them:

“’When I released PUBLIC 02.DOC (release of info on computer bulletin board) my purpose was to expose the documents and information released by William Moore et al as being fraudulent and misleading. MAJESTIC TWELVE is an advisory team of scientists who’s only purpose is to evaluate information and make recommendations.


The information gathered by the control group MAJI is released to MAJESTIC TWELVE when study is needed. MAJESTIC TWELVE has never been the whole truth. MAJI is the MAJESTIC AGENCY FOR JOINT INTELLIGENCE and has total control of information and interface with the aliens in dealings with the United States government.


Some of the documents released by Moore were changed from the original with the deliberate intent to mislead UFO researchers. I believe that the government is behind the whole thing. The rest of the documents are deliberate frauds. MAJIC is the highest security classification in the nation...’”

Referring once again to the subsurface regions, we quote now from yet another item which appeared in the N.A.R. newsletter, which was titled, ‘IS INNER EARTH RESEARCH HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH?’:

“An observation has recently been made that most of the outstanding inner earth researchers have died of heart attack. Surely, this is beyond a simple coincidence. Gray Barker, Dick Shaver, and Joan O’Connel (New Atlantean Journal) are but a few. Locally, there are several inner earth researchers who are very notable in their persistence.

“Lew Tery, who has recently relocated to Utah, was the foremost local proponent of geomagnetic vortex/UFO connection theory. Lew was instrumental in the discovery of underground tunnel networks in the Las Vegas area, one of them being between the base of Boulder Dam and Jumbo Peak, where there are two mines whose owners view 200’ diameter disks on a frequent basis. At one point, Lew offered to set up an interview with these miners. Alas, Mr. Tery is not to be found.

“A local Henderson resident, who shall remain nameless, has been into inner earth research for years. This person has been hounded and chased due to intimate knowledge of inner earth tunnels in the local area.

“There is obviously something here that some people wish to protect. Something to hide. Many seem to know what it is, and they speak cautiously about REPTILIAN HUMANOIDS and the SERPENT RACE, which are two subjects which seem to be surfacing again. Response to local television and radio programs featuring JOHN LEAR have been overwhelming. A recent lecture in Las Vegas drew over 700 people.

“According to some sources, the ‘Greys’ are the lower level of a bigger scenario that involves this reptilian race...”

The following information from William F. Hamilton III appeared in “UFO UNIVERSE” and describes further details on the “Yellow Fruit” account including claims which he made over the air during the few “interviews” which were heard over KVEG Radio’s Billy Goodman talk show:

“...Yellow Fruit revealed that A CONFLICT WAS GOING ON BETWEEN THE BENEVOLENT ONES and THE EBE’s and that now the benevolent ones had gained the upper hand at Dreamland where he said a contingent of 37 benevolent ones were stationed and where 3 EBE’s were held in captivity.

“Bizarre! Science Fiction? Yellow Fruit knew a lot about the test site area. I resolved to go to the location he gave of the EBE installation in Deep Springs, California and then on to visit Pat at the Rachel Bar & Grill to make contact with Yellow Fruit (the name for the first level of security force at Area 51 and also the name of an old Army-CIA unit). The second level of security he called “Sea Spray” and intimated that you would have an encounter of the unpleasant kind if you ever met with them.

“Callers to the Billy Goodman Radio Happening had already organized trips to mile-marker 29 ½ on highway 375 where a dirt road left the highway to intersect the road to Dreamland. There was a heavy black mail box on this road which identified it. I got to Rachel early one October morning and left my card with Pat at Rachel’s Bar and Grill to pass on to Yellow Fruit. She knew him by sight. I then inspected the dirt roads where people stood to observe the test flights. I had already interviewed four witnesses by phone who testified that they had seen UFOs over the Groom Mountains on certain nights in the same area they were seen by John Lear. I made a second trip to the area in late October where a public group visited Rachel and that is when I saw the mysterious Yellow Fruit in the cafe. He later called me on the phone. I left him with a copy of my book, ‘Alien Magic’ and he remarked on the research I had done concerning the search for underground bases.

“According to Yellow Fruit and others there are underground bases and tunnels that conceal the activities of the aliens and secret government projects...”

In connection with the subject of this File, that is the ‘invasion’ of an alien race from above and below utilizing mind-bending techniques and implantation, we will quote from Brad Steiger’s ‘THE UFO ABDUCTORS’ (1988., Berkley Books., N.Y.):

“In 1969 I and my research associates... Loring G. Williams and Glenn McWane, were bombarded with the claims of dozens of contactees who said that they had had an implant left somewhere in their skulls, usually just behind the left ear. These contactees/abductees came from a wide variety of occupations, cultural backgrounds, and age-groups.

“We employed private detectives and medical doctors... in an attempt to learn what archetype had been fed into their particular group consciousness. We never found any implants that were detectable to X rays, but our hypnotic sessions turned up an incredible amount of fascinating, albeit bizarre, information about underground UFO bases, hybrid aliens walking among us, and thousands of humans slowly turning into automatons because of readjusted brain wave patterns.”

Dr. Clifford Wilson M.A., B.D., Ph.D., in his book “UFOS...AND THEIR MISSION IMPOSSIBLE” (Signet Books., N.Y.) presents his own “intelligence” contributions concerning the on-going invasion/infiltration of our society by alien powers:

“...Not only have many seen UFOs, but there is also a growing army of those who claim to have had actual contact with UFO occupants. An authoritative, and possibly conservative, estimate is that there are 50,000 silent contactees in the United States alone.

“It could well be there are thousands of people who do have information and are not prepared to reveal it because of threatened consequences to themselves. Possibly many do not know they have that ‘knowledge’ because they themselves gained it in a hypnotic state.

“HYPNOTIZED SLAVES AWAIT A SIGNAL - Nations could be conquered by the infiltration of agents into government seats of authority, and it is surely more frightening to think that mankind could be overcome and even destroyed by programmed men and women from within their own ranks. If there is indeed a final confrontation approaching, an army of people could be involved. They could be ready to take action which they themselves do not even anticipate, but yet with no option but to obey because they have been conditioned to obey, at a given signal.

“We are not alone in suggesting this dreadful possibility.

To quote John Keel once again:

“’We have no way of knowing how many human beings throughout the world have been processed in this manner, since they would have absolutely no memory of undergoing the experience, and so we have no way of determining who among us has strange and sinister ‘programs’ lying dormant in the dark corners of his mind.

“’Suppose a plan is to process millions of people and then at some future date trigger all of those minds at one time? Would we suddenly have a world of saints? Or would we have a world of armed maniacs shooting at one another from bell towers?’

“If Armageddon, to which the Bible points, is indeed a final battle in which human and nonhuman forces alike wage that dreadful conflict to the death, this sort of ‘programming’ is a real possibility, and it appears to be proceeding at breakneck speed across the whole of the world. It is reported that the term ‘Armageddon’ has been used in a message to a contactee and other ‘end of the world’ messages have been given. Is there a desperate preparation for a last-ditch stand by the forces of evil, a final attempt to thwart the plans of the Holy God against Whom they have rebelled?


Bible history gives many examples where Satanic forces have attempted completely to destroy God’s plans that would result in total blessings for man. There has continually been a diabolical scheme to bending minds by deceitful assurances and ‘brainwashing.’ Post-hypnotic suggestions, with in-built commands for action to be triggered at a given signal, would fit the general pattern of rebellion consistently seen in the Bible records.

“A FRIGHTENING PROSPECT - The prospect if frightening. It is entirely possible that by post-hypnotic suggestion a whole army of people could suddenly find themselves willing slaves of intelligent beings who care nothing for the welfare of those slaves, or of the world itself as we know it. If there is some great super-plan of a spiritual counterattack to reach its culmination in Armageddon, it could well be that (this) army of slaves will be available to obey orders, without even knowing beforehand that they have been inducted into the armed forces of what the Bible refers to as the principalities and powers.

“The indications are that even children are at times utilized for the implementation of the plans of these evil powers. That possibility is illustrated by the following incident.

“On December 12, 1967, Mrs. Rita Malley was driving along a public highway to her home at Ithaca, New York, with her five-year-old son Dana in the back seat of her vehicle. At about 7:00 P.M. she suddenly realized that a red light was apparently following her, and as she was moving above the speed level, her first reaction was that she was about to be pulled over. She looked through her window and found that it was not a police car behind her but an eerie flying object, moving along above the power lines at the left of her car. Then she found she no longer had control of her vehicle, and shouted to her son to brace himself. However, he remained motionless as though he were in a trance.

“A white beam of light flashed down from the vehicle overhead, then she heard voices that sounded weird, broken, and jerky. She herself became hysterical, but through it all her son took no notice whatever of her cries. The radio was not on, but she heard those voices tell her that at that moment a friend of hers had been involved in a terrible accident some miles away. The next day she found that this was indeed true. The voices also told her that her son would not remember anything that had happened. The ordeal was terrifying to Mrs. Malley herself, and for some time afterward whenever she remembered the episode she would break down sobbing.

“...It would seem possible, then, that pliable children are especially useful for the purposes of these beings. Many children have been used as tools so that men and women would believe in these beings who have a plan whose totality has not yet been revealed.

“...These incidents are not limited to children. Mrs. Ralph Butler was watching flashing lights outside Owatonna in Minnesota one night in November, 1966. She was with a friend, and suddenly her friend became immobile, with her head dipped down. Mrs. Butler herself heard a voice talking to her, but soon the ordeal was over. However, when the two friends tried to discuss the incident later, both found they immediately suffered blinding headaches. Mrs. Butler also told of hearing strange voices on her radio, and of having peculiar visits from ‘air force officers.’ This pattern is reported by many who claim to have been contacted by UFO personnel.

“The Butler family have experienced various poltergeist phenomena since that 1966 experience—glass objects moving around and breaking without any known cause, strange noises being heard throughout the house, even telephones and television sets being strangely interfered with


(Note: As we will see in the following file, such activity often occurs during UFO encounters where there seems to be a COLLECTIVE involvement of paraphysical ‘Infernals’, Reptilians, and ‘controlled-cybernized’ Men In Black—such as those malevolent powers that have allegedly established bases or ‘empires’ in Sirius, Bootes, Retuculi and Draconis as well as their subterran counterparts - Branton).


“This sort of activity has followed many other supposed saucer sightings. The similarities between the stories are of such a nature as to cause surprise at first—someone temporarily in a trance, men posing as air force or other officials, those men being slight in stature with dark olive skins and pointed features, and the contactees having dreadful headaches, hallucinations, and nightmares. Some of them have gone into trances and have temporarily become mediums through whom strange voices could be heard...

“A TAKEOVER ATTEMPT? - Is there to be an attempt at a takeover? There surely are limitations to the life-giving powers of these UFO creatures... Man is the master of the animals, and despite seemingly way-out theories, such as monster insects waiting to attack us, in fact man is still able to control the lesser creatures...

“EVIL FORCES ARE REAL - Even apart from my strong Christian beliefs, and my acceptance of the Bible as the revealed Word of God, I would have no doubt whatever as to the fact of spiritual beings, evil forces, and phenomena that cannot be explained by purely physical, psychical, or psychological concepts.

“If there is truth in this hypothesis, preparations would be going on—just in case these overheard futurist interpretations happened to be correct...”

Further exposition of the aliens’ attempts to manipulate and undermine human society can again be found in Brad Steiger’s book “THE UFO ABDUCTORS”, in which he reveals:

“Dagmar and Carl R. have a farm in northeast Iowa about forty miles from the Mississippi River. One night in August of 1982, Carl observed what he called at the time a ‘lantern in the sky’ that hovered over him while he was working late in the field...

“In October that year, while Carl was working late in the field preparing for the annual corn harvest, he was startled to see the glowing ‘lantern’ return to the sky above him. It appeared to be the same object that he had seen in August.

“Although he tried to remain oblivious to the object, it seemed to be hovering above him, even following him up and down the corn rows. He became nervous and disconcerted and went back to the farmhouse, where he asked Dagmar to come out and witness the strange object.

“Dagmar was able to see the object, too, and they stood and watched it for several minutes before it suddenly moved high into the night sky and then sped off at a great rate of speed in a westerly direction.

“About three the next morning, Carl was awakened by the sound of cattle bellowing nervously in the stockyard. As he got out of bed and looked out the bedroom window, he saw a disk-shaped object hovering above the barnyard. It was glowing in a kind of greenish color...”

Following this, the couple were ‘tranquilized’ somehow, possibly by some kind of intoxicating, pacifying or stimulating ray, after which they were taken by the entities.


A traditional ‘abduction’ sequence ensued, similar to that described by so many thousands of others. Steiger related the couple’s afterthoughts concerning their abduction by ‘smallish’ large-eyed beings “with only nostril openings rather and a pronounced nose and with tight, expressionless lips.”

Steiger continues:

“While the young Iowa couple can remember no further UFO interaction since that particular autumn, they both admit to being nervous about having another encounter. Carl, especially, feels that he was used.


Dagmar speculated that bits of her skin tissue might have been removed in the examination, and although she does not claim to be an expert in such matters, she wonders if enough of her body could be cloned in a way to interact with whatever embryo or fetus might have been fathered by the semen that was taken from her husband.


(Note: Dagmar described that during one part of the ‘examination’ a needle-like object was stuck into her abdomen. Many believe that this is one process by which the ‘entities’ extract ‘eggs’ from human females - Branton).


“Not wanting to sound like victims of some science fiction thriller, the young couple have theorized that they might have been used in some strange program of creating hybrid beings. Perhaps, they suggest, Carl’s semen was used to impregnate an alien female or an Earth female, who is somehow influenced by and under the control of alien beings. In either event, they are uncomfortable with the experience and with the memory of the encounter. Both of them feel as though they may have been used in ways opposed to their normal expression of will.

“Dagmar has gone even farther in her speculations by suggesting that if bits of her body could have been used to create a clone and if Carl’s semen could somehow be used at a future time to impregnate such a clone, then alien beings could be breeding their own brand of humans as part of an organized program to create an army of human-like robots that would be totally under control of aliens in their master plan to conquer Earth.

“UFO investigator Richard Siefried was told by Pam Owens that she was taken aboard a UFO on November 25, 1978, while she was expecting a child. She was nineteen at the time, and she had no memory of the abduction until she was hypnotically regressed. Then she was able to give full and fascinating details of her encounter.

“Mrs. Owens told Siefried that she was paralyzed and able to move only her eyes. She lay helpless on a table and stared up in terror at two weird-looking creatures.

“According to Mrs. Owens, their heads were hairless, oversize domes, their eyes were big and sunk back in their skulls. The greenish skin covering their bodies was coarse. Each hand had four fingers that she described as being twice as long as a human’s. And to her terror, one of those strange hands was holding a long silver needle, preparing to plunge it into her stomach...”

The following is an excerpt from an article which appeared in a UFO-related publication. We do not know exactly who the author of the article is, but we relate the excerpt as it was sent to us:

“...Lear directed my attention to a large map of Nevada, which delineates all the areas which civilian maps coyly leave as uncharted military preserves. ‘Right in the very center is a place called Area 51. It is our most secret complex. There are 1900 people there - it takes presidential clearance to work there - and they’re ferried in by aircraft in the morning and taken out about 5 o’clock in the evening. They have nothing to do with the saucers. The people who work on the saucers go up later in the afternoon, and go home about midnight. The saucer facility is called S-4.’ S-4 is in the southwest corner of Area 51.

“Unfortunately, this facility - and a similar set-up near Dulce, New Mexico - may now belong to forces not loyal to the U.S. Government, or even the human race. ‘It’s horrifying for us to think that all the scientists we think are working for us are actually controlled by the aliens.’

“Here, Lear seems to contradict himself. He speaks of ‘aliens,’ plural, in a controlling capacity, whereas previously he noted but one survivor, kept as captive. He resolves this conflict by describing an alleged landing at Holloman Air Force Base on April 24, 1964 - our first ‘diplomatic contact,’ as it were, with the visitors.


(Note: This writer does not take into account the apparent SUBTERRANEAN connection and origin of many of the ‘alien’ beings, which has been alleged by many sources and which WOULD explain the large alien influence or presence - Branton).


According to Lear and other sources, the 1973 Robert Emenegger documentary ‘UFOS: PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE’ presented a thinly-fictionalized version of this event; government contacts allegedly provided the film-makers actual footage of the meeting, which, alas, was withdrawn at the last moment for as-yet un-specified reasons.

“’A deal was made with them in the latter part of the 1960s


(Note: As we’ve indicated earlier this might have been a ‘revisioning’ of an earlier treaty, as some sources claim that these treaties go back to the 1930’s, if not earlier - Branton).


In exchange for technology, we would cover up the existence of the aliens.’ Apparently this agreement - engineered by an arm of government so covert that even the President may not be on the ‘need to know’ list - also sanctioned the abduction of humans, which the aliens rationalized as an ongoing monitoring of a developing civilization. We asked only for a list of the abductees.

“In 1973, the deal soured. ‘Hundreds of people - thousands - were being abducted that weren’t on the list. In 1978-79, there was an altercation between us and the aliens, in which they killed 44 of our top scientists, and a number of Delta force who were trying to free them. I’m not sure where this altercation occurred - it could have been Dulce (probably Dulce, as the term ‘Dulce Wars’ which has been referred to by different sources would seem to indicate - Branton), or it could have occurred in Groom Lake (another alleged ‘alien’ base). This battle, Lear claims, left us bereft of our own facilities; ever since, we have attempted to create a counterforce to meet the alien challenge.

“The Strategic Defense Initiative was one such scheme. ‘SDI, regardless of what you hear, was completed two years ago; that was to shoot down incoming saucers. The mistake was that we thought they were coming inbound - in fact, they’re already here. They’re in underground bases all over the place.’ It seems that the aliens had constructed many such bases without our knowledge, where they conduct heinous genetic experiments on animals, human beings, and ‘improvised’ creatures of their own devising.’”

Could the ‘aliens’ have always been here, preying upon the human race in secret for millennia?


Or rather, instead of being an originally extraterrestrial race with ‘bases’ below the surface of the earth; could they not be as the evidence seems to indicate an originally subterrestrial race with ‘bases’ on other planetary bodies?