Kama One: Since the
publication of your book «The
Song of the Greys» in 1997, eleven years ago, did you
collect some more elements showing that the Greys are predatory
by nature and are devolving biological drones or robots? Or on
the contrary, did you find some elements that show that they are
not so predatory?
Did you notice the existence of
other extra-terrestrial beings and are they also predatory and
representing a risk of manipulation of our consciousness and our
culture (as for instance, the American forces represented a risk
toward the natives of Papua New Guinea or the Spanish conquest
were a risk toward the natives Indian)?
Or, to the contrary, did you find
elements showing that the intrusion of aliens of other species
than the Greys could be positive for the development or the
“galactic consciousness” of human beings?
Nigel Kerner: There has been no change in the nature of
alien abduction as it has been reported since ‘The Song of the
Greys’ was published. The alien beings that feature in almost
all alien abductions are still the Greys themselves.
Budd Hopkins whom I regard as
a truly sincere and objective example of an investigator
determined to get an accurate as possible an insight into the
phenomenon says that all the cases he has dealt with have
involved the Greys. Some of these cases have also involved
taller more humanoid aliens, (in many cases a form described as
a Nordic type). But the Greys feature in every one.
We are talking here about a huge phenomenon that has been
reported by tens of thousands of people across the world from a
wide range of different countries, cultures, religions etc. The
Greys are a common feature of all of these reports and this is
something to be taken very seriously in terms of an effect on
humankind as a whole.
The fact that the taller more
humanoid alien type, the Nordic looking beings, and more rarely
still a distinct reptilian form of being, seem to accompany the
Greys, implies a common association of all these
extraterrestrials. This is another feature worth considering.
However, isolated reports of other species of alien visitors do
not have the same significance as reports that share so many
common features with other reports world-wide and for that
reason we cannot be sure of their authenticity.
The negative and predatory nature of alien abduction is
something I have no doubt about. I make this clear in my book
‘The Song of the Greys’ and I underline this fact very strongly
in my new forthcoming book.
Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at
Harvard hypnotized six women and four men who claimed they had
been victims of abduction. Under hypnosis, seven of the 10
reported having had their sperm or eggs extracted for breeding
purposes, or experiencing direct sexual contact with the space
aliens. Their reports were transcribed and then spoken onto an
audio-tape in a neutral voice by the researchers.
The abductees then listened to
these tapes and their emotional responses were recorded using
physical measures such as heart rate and sweat on the palms of
their hands. The same procedure was done with eight people
haunted by traumatic experiences unrelated to abduction by
The reactions of abductees were
found to be,
“as great or greater than those
of individuals who cannot shake memories of combat, sexual
abuse, and other punishing events.”
McNally also noted that:
"People who sincerely believe
they have been abducted by aliens show patterns of emotional
and physiological response to these 'memories' that are
strikingly similar to those of people who have been
genuinely traumatized by combat or similar events."
McNally is not a believer in the
physically real authenticity of the abduction phenomenon, he
believes it is of a delusional nature.
However this is of no
real importance as his results still serve to illustrate the
traumatizing effects of alien abduction for those who are
convinced that it is indeed a phenomenon that is real.
It is beyond argument that all the procedures carried out by the
Greys involve an element of force, from the point of kidnap
onwards. Investigative medical procedures that are often
extremely painful are conducted with the abductees held in a
state of paralysis. The same is true of sexual practices that
are performed on the abductees.
Thus I am entirely convinced that the alien phenomenon in the
form it has been reported by first hand witnesses, is only
negative and predatory when seen in terms of the life interests
and broad philosophical treatise of our human species. To say
that the Greys are deliberately cruel or sadistic towards us
would imply that they are capable of some kind of moral or
ethical codex, but if they are, as I believe them to be,
programmed bio-mechanical machines, they would be incapable of
any psycho-emotional sense.
And this, from the vast majority of
witness reports, seems to be patently so. I think Professor
Jacobs and I can claim to be the most consistent writers on the
UFO/alien phenomenon in maintaining this premise. I have looked
as hard and objectively as I can for a reason to change my mind
and I have to say that I cannot see this happening if reason is
to be my arbitration point.
The behavior of these Nordics,
Greys suggests the complete
lack of a conscience as we know such a thing to be. They would
have to be simply following pre-set instructions that have been
programmed into them, instructions within a dead-legged program
to preserve and look after the interests of both themselves and
those who created them, at any cost in this universe.
According to abduction accounts the
taller humanoid aliens seem to be directing what the smaller
Greys do. They thus seem to oversee the predatory ethos.
The Nordic, blonde blue-eyed types often seen and perceived with
the Greys are the same deadly form that I believe
themselves known to the Nazis and were affirmed by Hitler
himself to be the new kind of future man that the SS Nazi
ideal would be based on. A blonde Nordic alien entity was
present and was ‘shown’ to several of the Nazi hierarchy
including Heidrich and Himler who were gathered
secretly at the stone caves of
Externsteine in 1936.
I believe the so called ‘final
solution’ to the Jewish question was an idea implanted here in
the minds of these German Nazi parodies of human vermin. I
believe there was a sensational reason why they did this. But
more about that in my second and third book of the trilogy.
Another aspect of the Grey alien phenomenon that I’ve come
across and deal with in my new book is a certain type of Near
Death Experience (NDE)
that seems to resemble alien abduction. Those who have had these
experiences are confused as to why they are so different to the
beautiful ecstatic experiences that tend to characterize NDEs.
They wonder why the environment they
find themselves in is metallic and solid rather than the
ephemeral ethereal world they expect.
In studying these
experiences and looking at them in the light of my other
research I have come to the conclusion that the Greys are indeed
waiting for some of their human experimental subjects at the
point of physical death. I believe that the Greys can capture
the soul fields of some individuals at the point that the field
leaves the dead body and begins its entrance into the spaces
between atoms (the tunnels seen in NDE’s).
At the very edges of atoms they lie in wait
ready to use their
technology to magnify force such that individual morphogenic
electro-spatial fields (souls) are somehow caught and prevented
from entering the status of existence beyond the physical matter
based atomic Universe.
Karma One: Over the last few years more and more authors
and whistleblowers have come to light with completely
contradictory points of view about alien intrusion:
One side views them as dangerous
and predatory (mostly the abductees)
Another side views them as
neutral, professional and without compassion or emotion (in
the sense that we would see emotions). They say that the
aliens consider us as just a species among other species and
like owners of an African reserve who take care of lions,
monkeys and elephants, they watch that the animals are not
too many and will not destroy the reserve, the earth.
A third part consider aliens -
even the Greys - as benevolent, and even messianic. They
consider them to be on the whole deeply benevolent even if a
small minority could be evil. This third part, mostly
represented by Steven Greer, seems to develop a metaphysical
point of view about extraterrestrial intrusion.
to think that aliens are more advanced spiritually and that
they are “superior, inter-dimensional and messianic beings”
who will disclose themselves with a message of liberation or
will even save us from an apocalypse
What do you think about those
movements and about these different viewpoints?
Nigel Kerner: It is easy for many people to see an alien
extra-terrestrial resource on this planet as a new messianic
force that is here as a great and wondrous boon to us all. I
believe that this is utter folly.
Science now broadly views conventional religion as little more
than a medieval sop to our comfort points and the conventional
view of the spiritual God principle as an archaic stipend little
more than wishful thinking that fortifies hope and moral and
ethical platitudes towards social control of the masses. It is
all of course understandable in the light of what the priests
and lay administrators of religious invectives have done through
They have lied about, distorted and
misinterpreted the entire spiritual God resource for millennia
and in most cases this has been deliberate. They have made
God into an anthropocentric principle little more than a
glorified parent or Lord of the Manor, all with a view to
enhancing their own authority, plaudits and ways of life.
I myself was not inclined towards belief in a spiritual and
extra-sensory dominion over the matter of fact resources of a
material Universe until I looked at the veracity of the UFO
In doing this I began to understand with logic and
reason that the Shakespearean adage:
“There are more things in
heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy”, is in
fact a reverent truth.
I began to see that the founding
teachers of the great faiths had indeed grasped that there is a
world beyond force and thus the atom, a world that verifies
truth as nothing else does.
The whole context of it all became
clear in such a way that it could be realistically defined.
Those who believe that a purely matter resourced universe and
anything that comes from it could be of any lasting meaning and
value when set against any scale are in the greatest peril of
losing their own reference of themselves and replacing it with a
non-living, material reference. You can only know anything when
it is set against the something of the self.
Without this reference you are in
the nihilism of Wittgenstein and Nietzsche and thus in the
nondescript lunacy of a machine mind. You are a Grey. More
terrifying than this, you don’t and can’t know this for
In his excellent paper discussing the
ethical implications of the abduction
phenomenon Budd Hopkins discusses the fact
that the aliens do not appear to intervene in any way to prevent
human suffering in the world. Hopkins suggests that it might
also be said that God does nothing to help either.
However, in my view, there is a profound and crucial difference
between these two possible sources of helpful intervention:
The aliens, as I have said, have shown themselves to be more
than happy to intervene in human affairs and forcibly abduct and
control their human targets. Intervention is thus, it seems, no
problem for them when they wish to use it. However, for the
central state of perfection and infinite freedom that we might
term God, the entire scenario is very different.
As those who have read my first book will know, it is my
contention that our existence in an imperfect physical universe
is not the result of a creator God placing us in a state of
imperfection and watching the fun.
It is instead an expression
of the perfect freedom that is implicate in the state of
perfection that I call the Godverse, to know and experience all
things, including the freedom to know what it is like to no
longer be perfectly free. We are thus a product of our own free
choices. Thus it is not the case that God will not intervene it
is simply that the Godverse cannot intervene.
present ‘light’ of the Godverse can only be expressed into the
universe to the extent that we allow it, we have to open the
windows. Our will to do this is paramount. Once we have done so
we can embody that light and act as agents of the Godverse. But
the Godverse itself is an implicate state that cannot, by
definition, intervene of itself.
Christ, Buddha, Mohammed and all the great teachers were
physical embodiments of the light of the Godverse, as such they
were able to use their free choices to help their fellow man.
The Greys too are physical creatures and perhaps we should
contrast their actions with those of these teachers. The Greys,
as I have discussed, have shown that they can intervene and do
intervene but only in a negative and forceful way. Thus Hopkins
question is suitably addressed to them: Why do they not
intervene to prevent human suffering? Why do their interventions
cause suffering and pain rather than alleviate it?
As I have already discussed, it seems completely apparent that
the alien beings witnessed thus far have shown themselves to be
without concern for human pain or distress. However abductees do
not report a sense of cruelty or sadistic pleasure from their
abductors. Instead the aliens seem to be without any
comprehension or understanding that the pain they inflict is in
any way a problem.
If they are indeed the robotic entities I
believe them to be this would make sense because it is
impossible to program compassion and sympathy into a machine.
These qualities are the hallmark of Godverse connected being.
Natural living being.
If they are our Messiahs, our redeemers for the future, one has
to ask the question: What kind of promised land are they leading
Karma One: Do you believe that there is a risk of the
development of a new religion with the extra-terrestrial
intrusion phenomenon based on a biblical apocalyptic message or
do you believe that the risk is not important at all?
very peculiar time of crisis of many sorts (financial, climatic,
energy, religion etc…) and the growing importance of the
biblical and apocalyptic message (2012, the coming of
end of time scenario etc…), do you believe that the
extra-terrestrials will play a voluntary role in it?
Religions seem to form spontaneously
wherever humankind salutes a need for them. The inherent
insecurity that marks our day to day lives is all the signal it
takes to make the most from the least. To make up a philosophy
that will deny the effect of the SLOT (Second Law Of
Thermodynamics) that takes our bodies apart each second we live.
We are always seeking a way to find an assurance that will wipe
away this insecurity. An insecurity that comes from this
terrible power that rots us as we stand. We need to know that
there is something that can counteract this. Something resistant
to this inevitable process. Something that can change death into
life. Loss into gain.
The whole thing for me affirms that we human beings have some
ancient memory coded in us of a reality, a time, a place or a
situation where all things were together in a wondrous form and
available instantly to us. The loss of this prompts us to keep
hope of transformation alive. We will seek any sign that might
do this and turn this sign into a philosophy or procedure or
system of belief that will give us hope from despair.
It has its
most powerful form when something goes against what is commonly
accepted. They will for instance make a Buddha out of the boy
who was found recently meditating under a tree in North India,
(for many weeks, some claim months) without apparent
interruption, for food, water or the expulsion of the natural
waste products of his body.
He will no doubt be made into an
icon signaling some extreme expectation, because we all want
things to be this goodly wondrous ideal.
The mysterious creatures and space-craft that define the UFO
phenomenon will be an ideal candidate for deification in a world
that is disillusioned with spiritualized religion. The
Occidental world and its Euro-Caucasian people have been
secularized with the hard materially based world of science and
will seek a materially or atomically based final reality.
will deify the Greys and explain them as the new Messiahs. A
non-spiritual variety of Messiah to take us to all things good
if only we can understand them and give them a chance to do it.
They will contrive all kinds of things and happenings and
translate them in terms of what they will claim to be the real
truth of things beyond the grasp of humankind.
In my new book I have tried to analyze all the indicators that
mark belief systems both secular and spiritual and I have come
to the simple, logical inescapable conclusion that nothing can
be further from the truth. The UFO phenomenon is the greatest
menace any natural living being can face in the entire Universe
and signals the final denial and destruction of our species
aided by a total misunderstanding and deliberate misreporting of
what the spiritually religious message of all the great teachers
The book has taken nearly six hundred pages and
over 200,000 words to explain this, and so I will not try to do
it with this answer, but I believe that when the finest minds
take a look at all the evidence together they will see that what
fundamentalist christians call the ‘RAPTURE’ is really the
They will see that deadly grey four fingered hands
are moving our planet and its leaders to bring about this
capture. The capture and dispatch of billions of a certain
genotype of specially genetically prepared humanity,
Euro-Caucasian de-melanized humanity, for their purposes.
Purposes that should send a chill through all human bones.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Greys and their hybrids
are indeed the great Pretender prophesied in the Book of
Revelation who will seem all things to all men because of the
miracles he will perform. This false prophet has the power ‘to
give life unto the image of the beast’. Is this perhaps a
reference to the cloning procedures used by the Greys?
inserted under the skin as tracking and monitoring devices are
currently available for purchase. These may well be the ‘Mark of
the Beast’ that the false prophet gives to human beings so that
they cannot ‘buy’ or ‘sell’ without it. One of these devices is
called, ‘Digital Angel,’ which is too ironic a title to be true,
perhaps it is more than just irony and is actually the product
of true digital robotic ‘angels’ who seemingly come down from
Only those whose ‘names are not written in the
book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world’
are prophesied to worship the false prophet.
Are these they who
are so genetically intercepted that they can no longer clearly
receive the Godverse which exists beyond the foundation of the
Whatever the verity of any particular prophecy it must be
admitted that prophecies predicting the doom of civilization
have been continuous through the centuries and obviously none
have come true. But the many other types of prophecies that have
come true serve to illustrate the fragility of our existence as
The fact that
the 2012 prophecy has come from several
sources that are independent of each other might be taken to
suggest its potential accuracy. There is also the possibility
outlined in my new book that the Greys could use their
technology to control the path of
an asteroid such that it hits
those parts of the world where there is a concentration of those
who are not part of their experimental group and might interfere
with those who are part of it.
Be this prophecy certain or uncertain, it brings us face to face
with the prospect of death as an agent of sudden demise, of the
ending of our physically conscious individuality. We are but a
heartbeat away from the loss of all our expectations. Where
next? The question must hit us from time to time whether we like
to admit it or not.
Do we prefer to go to death in ignorance of
what it might be? Or do we wonder about the destiny of all our
personal thoughts and all our experiences?
It seems to me if we
can all get an intelligently derived look at what might lie
beyond the scales of physical life, then whatever it all might
come to in the end, we would have a better format for adjusting
more realistically to the day’s own troubles. If in the Russian
roulette momentums of the universe an asteroid approaching us
out of the sun without warning can take out our entire
civilization and us with it at a stroke, what then the price to
those of us who cherish our individuality?
But it is crucial to see that what people see as Armageddon is
something that need not be an explosive and terrifying end of
the world, but the beginning of a glorious enlightened new one.
A new way of seeing the entire existential base not set on New
Age concepts or Old Age tenets of ignorance based on the
physically set derivatives of the days own troubles of medieval
I believe that a completely new and grand insight taking
in some of what science tells us now about the matter based
transient atomic world and merging it with the everlasting
psycho/spiritual abstract expression of the Godverse will bring
us up to date with what the truth of it all might be. My
research in as objective and logical a stance as I could make,
has revealed an affirmation that a glorious final result is a
certainty for some of us despite the effects of the SLOT that
prevail in a matter and force based universe like ours.
There are many prophecies in the various religions and cultures
across the world predicting a new beginning for mankind, the
‘new Heaven’ and ‘new Earth’ of the book of Revelation.
reason only apocalyptic prophecies are given prominence by the
world’s media and these more positive predictions are put on a
back burner. I am not of course saying that the alien phenomenon
might help to bring about a better situation for us all, far
I am instead saying that there is another input into
all of this, an input from the Godverse.
This Godly input
automatically and implicitly counters all that humanity has to
face from the Greys to the extent to which we have not in free
will chosen what the Greys do to us.
Jesus Christ was, I believe, part of that compensation. His
legacy to us in word and deed provided us with an antidote to
their interceptions that is best summed up in his suggestion to
Judas to ‘think with the heart.’
In my new book I suggest Christ
also left another legacy, a biological legacy, a line of
descendants free from alien genetic interception that could
cleanse humanity from Grey pollution. In the book I offer
evidence from the Gospel of Judas, from other Gnostic texts and
from the canonical Book of Revelation itself to substantiate
this revolutionary idea.
That which comes to us from the Godverse comes only through
natural means, not through technology and space travel. Thus
messiahs are born from wombs, they do not arrive in spaceships!
Karma One: Besides the disclosure of the
extra-terrestrial phenomenon through testimonies of military
whistleblowers and victims of abductions, do you believe that a
deep analysis of our gene pool and its successive mutations can
show that it has been manipulated by an advanced engineering
project developed by extra-terrestrial beings, like the ones
the Sumerian tablets?
What are the objective
elements that we can’t miss showing that the
human genome was
the result of a scientific manipulation?
Have you found some
elements showing that this manipulation, this project, was and
still is malevolent and that the full potential of human beings
is lacking or diminished as a consequence?
Nigel Kerner: Yes there is indeed evidence within the
human genome of such interception.
Trinucleotide repeats are an
obvious example. Trinucleotide repeats are distinct from normal
DNA because of their repetitive codes, the same triplet code is
repeated again and again (i.e. ctgctgctg, or cggcggcgg).
same way a clone is characterized by repeat codes, it is formed
from a master cell which copies and recopies itself to create a
complete body. I suggest that trinucleotide repeats could be
part of their attempt to convert us into their format.
Interestingly, trinucleotide DNA can form unusual molecular
structures which allow two entwined strands of the DNA double
helix to slip, against each other, leaving loose ends to which
the enzyme will add extra DNA bases. If it was the intention of
the aliens to re-order DNA for their own purposes and in this
way to reorganize parts of the human genome, then they would
have required just such a device by which they could splice DNA
in and out.
The diseases affected by trinucleotide repeats seem to be those
that affect particularly the nervous system. In my books I have
suggested that we think with the entire nervous system, not just
These purely physical alien beings are unable to
detect the non-physical nature of thought so perhaps they
targeted the nervous system as the supposed hub of thought and
thinking. It could be their attempt to introduce their own
‘blueprint’ into the genes which code for the nervous system of
human beings to see if they could trace a path from there to the
missing ingredient that makes us different from them.
There appears to be a threshold level of trinucleotide repeats
which then leads to disease. Perhaps once these interceptions
reach a certain number it is no longer possible for these
strains to be resisted and dominated. Unlike classical
hereditary genetic diseases, there is no specific mutated gene,
or genes, responsible for these diseases, they are the result of
repeating codes. I suggest that these repeats impinge on genes
which are a natural expression of the human species.
Many abductees have reported that sperm and egg cells are
removed for examination and experimentation by the alien beings.
In fact, medical examinations on several women who have claimed
abduction have revealed that all the ova have mysteriously
disappeared from their ovaries. The expansion of trinucleotide
DNA actually occurs in these earliest stages of embryonic
Mitochondrial DNA is, I believe, another artifact of alien
genetic interception. Unlike other DNA it clones itself in
reproduction instead of recombining. Most biologists believe
that mitochondria are the direct descendants of bacteria that
entered primitive nucleated cells in a number of infections.
Among billions of such infective events they speculate that a
few could have led to the development of stable, symbiotic
associations between nucleated hosts and bacterial parasites.
The classes of “bacteria” that took part in these “infections”
have not yet been established.
Could these “bacteria”, simply be the invading genetic elements
introduced into the hominid genome by alien being via a series
of “infections” until eventually they were accepted and
absorbed? Not only does mitochondria have its own 37 genes that
are independent of the main nuclear DNA of the cell but also
there is a proportion of mitochondrial DNA that is not in any
way involved in functions which benefit the cell.
Thus, it is to
a certain extent, an organelle that is independent of the cell
and independent of the cell’s own genetic information contained
within the nucleus.
Unlike other DNA, mitochondrial DNA happens to have a
distinctive circular structure.
Circular DNA has been used in
research to inject DNA pieces into cells because it has no
sticky ends and thus does not get caught and mixed with the rest
of the cell. Thus, it is extremely plausible that the alien
beings could have used this circular structure to conceal the 37
genes of mitochondrial DNA.
This concealment allows these genes
to replicate under their own steam and thus maintain their
independence from the human organism while at the same time
existing within it. This symbiotic relationship which human
cells have with mitochondrial DNA allows the mitochondrial DNA
enough independence from the human organism for it to be able to
act as a conduit through which information from the alien
beings, who inserted this DNA, can pass.
As I say in my first
book, it is almost as though they have left a keyhole in human
cells into which their key will fit, such that they can open the
genetic information contained within the cell and manipulate it
as they wish.
Using mitochondrial DNA as a marker scientists have convincingly
shown that the origins of all mankind were in Africa
approximately 200,000 years ago. If, as I contend in my books,
Neanderthal man was un-intercepted by alien beings until a more
recent time is it possible that until that point of interception
Neanderthal man had no mitochondrial DNA?
His body might have
employed other cellular mechanisms to provide for the functions
which mitochondrial DNA now perform.
Bacterial DNA is already widely used to code for artificial
protein with great success. If, as I suggest, the presence of
mitochondrial DNA in cells was the result of bacteria entering
primitive nucleated cells in a number of 'infections', then is
it not possible that the alien beings may themselves have used
bacterial DNA in this way?
They could have encoded it with genes
artificially engineered by them to enter into the biology of
living organisms on this planet. If scientists with our level of
technology can achieve such success in genetically engineering
bacterial proteins then the scope for such genetic manipulation
by alien beings with their highly ascendant technology, must be
More evidence for alien genetic interception can be found in the
“jumping gene” known as the ‘Alu’.
Amongst the so-called
DNA that forms the majority of the human genome the Alu is a 283
nucleotide sequence that from time to time seems to insert
copies of itself into the genome. Over the past 30-60 million
years these insertions have occurred repeatedly leaving roughly
a million copies of Alu scattered through the human genome and
making up almost 10% of all the DNA in each cell.
million or so ALUS are in fact deliberate genetic interceptions
of which only a certain number actually took and married into
the functioning DNA of human beings as it seems that very few
Alus actually affect genes that code for proteins.
As I have mentioned in my book, there is a remarkable story of
the alien genetic interception of a particular group of people
in the Old Testament of the Bible.
This is exemplified in what
by most standards would be seen as a bizarre story of God
seeking to “slay” Moses’ son:
“And it came to pass by the way in
the inn that the Lord met him and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son
and cast it at his feet and said, surely a bloody husband thou
art because of the circumcision.”
account it seems that Zipporah, Moses’ wife, offers God the
foreskin of her son, and thus information as to his genetic
structure, in place of his life.
When Zipporah offers the
foreskin, “God" lets her son go. Can it be possible that such a
ludicrous course of action by a supposed “God" could have been
deemed acceptable and worthy by so many people for so long? If
the “God" to which this account refers is not an alien clone
being seeking genetic programs to intercept humanity, then what
In “Song of the Greys” I suggest that the initial command
for the children of Israel to circumcise their sons could have
been a means for alien being to monitor the genetic information
of their “chosen people.” In other words, maybe the foreskins
were taken by these beings and studied.
The fact that this
remarkable story about Moses and so many other incongruities
within the Old Testament can have been meekly accepted by so
many people, for so long, is surely an indication of the vast
extent to which the Greys have succeeded in so programming their
chosen subjects, that they are blind to even the simplest
logical connections that would expose their programmers for what
they truly are.
The instructions in the book of Leviticus as to who may, or may
not, approach the altar are also very interesting. No one of any
physical blemish is permitted to approach the altar, so that
they will “profane not my sanctuaries: for I the lord do
Could the Ark of the Covenant and the altar
within it were in fact have been mechanisms through which alien
being could view human subjects who might be suitable for
interception. Hence only those without physical defect and
therefore with the likelihood of a genetic structure more free
of the mutations that lead to physical weakness or infirmity,
were allowed to approach the altar.
The prophet Ezekiel’s visions have by many people been taken to
be visions or sightings of spacecraft. If Ezekiel was also
visited by alien beings it would certainly account for his
strange encounter with “God" in a valley which was full of
bones. In this encounter God asks Ezekiel if these dry bones
could live, he then assembles them into complete bodies and
covers them with flesh.
After he brings them to life they stand
“up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.”
God then tells Ezekiel that
these bones are “the whole house of Israel” and he tells him to
promise the people of Israel that,
“I will open your graves, and
cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into
the land of Israel... And shall put my spirit in you
and ye shall live and I shall place you in your own land."
“God” is thus involved in bringing to life soulless dead flesh,
what kind of “life” is he therefore promising for the children
of Israel, the physical immortality of Clone being perhaps? How
reminiscent this is of the Egyptian process of mummification, a
process which ancient Egyptians believed essential to preserve
the physical body for the after-life?
The Semitic peoples truly
seem to be receivers of the same “God”.
In the recently discovered ‘Gospel of Judas’ Judas relates to
Jesus a dream of a house surrounded by “great people.” In his
dream Judas asks to be let into this house.
Jesus replies to
“Judas, your star has led you astray.… No person of
mortal birth is worthy to enter the house you have seen, for
that place is reserved for the holy. Neither the sun nor the
moon will rule there, nor the day, but the holy will abide there
always, in the eternal realm with the holy angels. Look, I have
explained to you the mysteries of the kingdom and I have taught
you about the error of the stars.”
This prompts Judas to ask
“Master, could it be that my seed is under the control of
Could he be asking Christ directly if his own
biological line could be alien controlled, “ruled over” by a
“host of angels of the stars?”
As I have explained in my first book, it is my opinion based on
a good look at all the evidence available, that humankind now is
a product of an evolutionary procedure out of a natural overall
devolutionary Universal scale in line with the Second Law Of
Thermodynamics, (I call this the S.L.O.T.)
We are neither the
products of a divine Creator nor even the projects of an
intelligent designer. We are not the results of evolutionary
processes. Instead we are the subjects of the process that I
have called ‘devolution.’
We are now pale shadows of the glory
we once were, we have devolved to a gross, physical restricted
state from a lighter, more ephemeral state of far greater
freedom and knowledge.
Humanity as a species is now an
amalgamation of a series of quantum devolutionary steps.
distant past we were insubstantial beings unrestricted by the
confines of a substantial physical body. We communicated
directly via thought with no need for physical sensory apparatus
to interact with each other or our environment. We then devolved
from this insubstantial state of ‘light’ being to more and more
substantial states, from ‘light being’ to ‘hydrogen being’ (a
gaseous state) and then on to ‘water being’.
Our bodies are now
primarily composed of water along with other heavier elements. I
believe that many of these trace elements, especially the
metallic ones, would not be in the human body were it not for
alien genetic interception.
They are metalizing us to bridge us
into their formats.
Just as quantum physics points to a background to all existent
states that is full of infinite possibilities, I point to that
same state which I call the ‘Godverse’.
This is a state of
perfect potentiality, perfect freedom to achieve all options
including the option to explore the possibility of imperfection.
It is my argument that our existence in this physical universe
is a result of our choice to explore this possibility.
being that came into the physical universe from the Godverse
immediately returned but some, including us became trapped,
caught in the chaotic momentums of a physical universe subject
to the momentum of the second law of thermodynamics, or entropy,
into greater and greater states of randomness and disorder.
I believe that all naturally living
things are originally implicit products of this incidental and
tacit creationism that happens automatically out of the dynamic
between two primarily opposed existential polarities: God-head
This continual interaction produces universes
like ours that become more and more material and atomically
chaotic and disordered with time. In fact as we now know, it all
happens to no meaningful point at all. It dismantles to an
absolutely cold dead nothingness. A nothingness that is
eventually congruent with Force-head.
It must be said however
that although this is the underlying momentum in a physical
universe the opposite momentum for greater states of order and
cohesion also exists. This is an expression of the implicit
presence of the Godverse as an infinite state within all finite
states, including the universe.
Thus free will is the arbitrator
between the two opposing momentums – the drive to union and the
drive to chaos.
The Greys and the other alien entities that have been witnessed
do not have a natural track of descent from the Godverse. They
are a secondary creation created for reasons which I explain at
length in my books but involve too lengthy an explanation for
this interview. They are looking for something which will allow
them to survive in an entropic universe and not break down.
is my contention that they are looking for the one thing that we
have and they do not – a line of connection to the eternality of
the Godverse, in other words a soul. They can never of course
get hold of this elusive factor as it is not physical but as
they do not understand the non-physical they cannot understand
this. Thus their entire agenda with humanity is a means to this
end, a means by which they believe they will replace their
temporary existence with an eternal existence.
For this reason they are trying to bridge themselves into us.
Introducing their programs into us so that those programs can
exist in something that has a capacity for eternal survival.
I define a ‘soul’ as a line of connection to the Godverse. It is
a line of connection that has become twisted and distorted
somewhat the longer we remain in an entropic universe and
devolve to its dictates but it is nevertheless a track to a
state of perfect freedom and knowledge. The 95% of our DNA that
does not code for proteins, the junk DNA previously referred to,
is a reflection of our full potential that now lies untapped.
What I am saying is that in the ancient past we used 100% of our
DNA and now we can only access 5%. Scientists have not been able
to understand why our genetic processes go to the trouble of
replicating such huge amounts of useless DNA. The very fact that
such DNA is replicated is a huge counter to an evolutionary
interpretation of human history.
Why would we have ‘evolved’ so
much useless material? Is it not far more likely that so-called
‘junk DNA’ is actually a living fossil of our past reflecting
the fact that as we devolve we slowly lose touch with our full
If this is true then we are out of touch and therefore out of
control of 95% of our genetic prospectus. This 95% could well
form an ongoing laboratory setting for alien interference as we
cannot control it ourselves, our hand is not in 95% of the glove
so to speak.
So trinucleotide repeats,
alus and many other
artifacts of junk DNA may well be their handiwork.
Karma One: In your book “The Song of the Greys”, you
stress that human beings, in fact the Nordic line (Cro-Magnon
line), was biologically engineered with a manipulation of DNA by
the Greys to become more aggressive and be able to neutralize
and eradicate the other human “racial” projects such as the
“Black people” or the “natives” and aboriginal ethnic groups?
you believe that this human project was designed by the
extra-terrestrial to be a killing and destructive machine?
Nigel Kerner: I do not believe the Cro-Magnon line was
deliberately designed with a primary purpose to serve as the
foot soldiers of the Greys. It is my hypothesis that the pigment
melanin is a natural barrier to their technology and for that
reason they sought to breed a genotype of humanity without that
barrier. Once they had such a genotype they were freer to
genetically engineer its DNA to their own patterns.
It is also my theory, and I elaborate on this in my new book,
that DNA is a physical translation of our line of connection to
Godhead. If that line is interrupted by alien patterns we cannot
receive information from the Godverse properly.
If, as I
maintain, the human body is an aerial for the reception of
signals from the Godverse then alien interception would detune
this aerial. As a consequence we would begin to lose awareness
of the state of union that is the Godverse. We would lose the
ultimate reference, the balancing point that gives rise to
Conscience is a measure of thought
and thinking when it is set against this ultimate reference. In
Godhead we were in a state of union with each other, we were not
separate individualized being. Thus an implicit sense of union
comes from the Godverse and we translate this into human
features of it such as compassion, sympathy and empathy.
lose this sense the signals of self protection to survive in a
physical universe take over and we are motivated to do whatever
it takes to protect our own individualities without conscience
as to how this might affect others. This is the origin of the
impetus we call violence and as such violence is a natural
result of the loss of the sight of the Godverse, in other words,
a loss of what we commonly call ‘conscience.’
In the case of
Cro-Magnon man this loss was precipitated by alien genetic
Violence is thus not a quality given to us by the Greys it is
instead the incidental result of the loss of insight that their
genetic interception has brought about. The Greys themselves are
not violent, they are emotionless robotic beings. Their
intrusive procedures are no more cruel or violent than a gun is
cruel or violent when it shoots someone.
The prejudice and consequential violence of the white
Euro-Caucasian (Cro-magnon) types throughout history towards the
darker skinned people of the earth has several causes.
inherent evil in the make-up of so many pale complexioned humans
towards the more melanized of their kind, is almost an instant
psycho-emotional response with many. Its strength and
consequences on the body of humankind has been the root cause of
the greatest wickedness practiced by humanity on humanity over
I believe the root cause of this color based bias
is set on the same principle that animals have to follow to
survive in the conscience-less animal kingdom. They have to
quickly recognize visual differences in order to identify
On top of this I believe that the Greys have built into the
program they have inserted into this particular genotype, (I am
referring to the Euro-Caucasians when I say this) a necessity to
keep itself separate and undiluted by other gene pools. A
further addition to this recipe for racial bigotry is the fact
that some of the higher melanized groups have proved themselves
impervious and resistant to alien interception and the Greys may
be motivated to instigate their primary servers amongst
‘de-melanised’ humanity to cull these groups.
I use the word ‘de-melanised’ advisedly. In ‘Song of the Greys’
I explain that the ‘mark’ given to Cain in the story of Cain and
Abel may well be based on the fact that the archetypal Cain was
probably a genetic alteration. An albino form produced so that
further genetically engineered alteration was more easily
achieved as time went on.
It is very strange that the so-called
God’s punishment of Cain for killing Abel by was merely
banishment. Banishment with the proviso that no one harmed Cain
in any way. A strange instruction from
a god who invented the
axiom, ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’.
this God was ‘Captain Alien’ and was supervising a genetic
engineering exercise, this instruction would ensure the
preservation of their ‘format’ beings nicely, if you see what I
mean. The ‘format’ would be needed for a breeding program. A
breeding program for a marquee of humanity with a killer
instinct and all the other follow-on instincts such as implicit
belligerence and tacit aggression, intact. Very useful
personality and instinctive appendages for a geno-type with
survival as a high pre-requisite.
Why then is
a barrier to alien reach?
Professor of Biology at the
University of London Steve Jones suggests that the color change
from dark skin to fair skin, that is said to have taken place
when the migration out of Africa brought human beings to Europe,
does not necessarily make sense when seen in terms of biological
It is accepted generally that this change was due to
the fact that a fair (or, in other words, transparent) skin
would absorb more of the meager levels of ultra-violet light
available in Northern climes. The absorption of ultra-violet
light is necessary, we are told, to aid in the production of
vitamin D, vital for the production of strong bones and teeth.
Steve Jones says that,
"although the idea of rickets as the
driving force behind the evolution of skin color is attractive,
melanin was probably not lost because of changes in vitamin
He points out that "rickets is a disease of
civilization", a disease which only became common as cities grew
in the Middle Ages.
Even blacks only need two hours a week of
sunlight to stay healthy.
"At first sight," says Professor
Jones, "evolution has got it wrong. If humans followed the rules
that apply to other animals, who have been a lot longer on the
real estate, Europeans ought to be black and Africans white,"
simply because dark objects absorb more of the sun’s light and
However, it is also true that blacks are able to sweat
more than whites and, says Jones, this,
"more than compensates
for the effects of skin color."
There are also the obvious
advantages of a dark skin in the tropics which lie in its
ability to protect the skin from the harmful effects of high
levels of ultra-violet light.
So the advantages of a fair skin,
no matter what the climate, are difficult to find in
evolutionary terms. However, in terms of an aid to an easy and
efficient alien interception of the human genome, the advantages
are, I believe, enormous.
In almost all reports of alien contact some kind of light is
described as a means they use to move, intercept, and induce,
all kinds of procedures. It seems to be crucial as a means, even
a mechanism, of reaching and interacting with our species.
Melanin, as a dark pigment, absorbs light. Individuals who have
a darker skin surface also have “supra-nuclear melanin caps”
surrounding the nucleus of their cells. DNA that is contained in
the cell nucleus is therefore protected by these melanin
granules from any alien engendered effect that is expressed
through the way they use light.
Encounters with alien beings or craft have been demonstrated to
take place with by far the greatest frequency at locations where
there are particularly high electro-magnetic fields (power
stations, military bases etc.) High electro-magnetic fields also
seem to be put out by the alien craft themselves, often causing
widespread power failures in the areas in which they appear.
Melanin has been found to have a capacity to conduct electric
fields. The conducting properties of melanin would allow it to
act like a Faraday cage, conducting electric fields away from
the nucleus of the cell and thus preventing alien procedures
from reaching the DNA in the nucleus.
If high electro-magnetic
fields are a vehicle through which these aliens can reach
humanity, then it may indeed be the case that dark-skinned
people have a natural barrier to that reach.
Jacqueline Barton's group at the
California Institute of
Technology and her colleagues have suggested that DNA itself is
a conducting molecular wire.
According to Cees Dekker
(Department of Applied Physics and DIMES, Delft University):
unique assembly properties of DNA together with its unparalleled
recognition, optical characteristics, stability and adaptability
suggest that DNA may become one of the most important species in
the general area of molecular electronics.”
Barton’s group measured the fluorescence produced by an excited
molecule and found that it no longer emitted light when attached
to a DNA molecule.
Their results suggested that this
"fluorescence quenching" was due to the charge on the excited
donor molecule leaking along the length of the DNA to a nearby
acceptor molecule. In other words, they suggested that DNA was a
conducting molecular wire. If this is the case then alien
genetic interception through the use of both light and electric
fields to manipulate DNA with its electrically conductive and
light absorbing properties will be easily achieved in those who
do not have melanin protection.
Interestingly, initial findings reported in an article in the
Journal of Investigative Dermatology suggest that the
aggregation of melanin in supranuclear caps over the nucleus of
the cell seems to be specific to human cells:
animals, however, the existence of supranuclear melanin caps has
not been clear.”
Could this point to the possibility that
‘supranuclear caps’ protecting the nuclear DNA from external
effect may be a feature that is determined by the close
connection of the soul to the Godverse.
The descendants of
modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens were all highly melanized, lack of
melanin is thus a relatively recent mutation. If the notorious
mark of Cain mentioned in the Bible indeed refers to a fair
complexion then this “mark” may be disadvantageous to humanity
but a distinct advantage to an alien interceptor hell bent on
changing human DNA to suit their purposes.
So, in summary: Ultra-violet light is used to get through the
nuclear membrane and splice chromosomes for genetic
manipulation. Melanin will absorb this light and inhibit the
action of genetic manipulation.
For humans with dark complexions
and melanin granules surrounding the nuclear membrane, it will
be harder to manipulate the DNA in the chromosomes. People with
fair complexions on the other hand have no such protection
because they lack this melanin shield.
It is an interesting fact that the vast majority of alien
abductees come from the Europiform genus of hominid. The most
direct descendants of Cro-Magnon man. It is also true that there
are no UFO hotspots anywhere in mainland Africa or Asia with the
exception of China and Japan and most of the sightings in China
have taken place in the last fifteen or so years. The vast
majority by far are where the descendants of Cro-Magnon man live
presently. North America and Europe.
Professor David Jacobs interviewed a female abductee who
described how she was shown a hybrid baby and asked to hold it
and hug it.
Jacobs asked her about the skin color of the baby:
“Does it have light skin or dark skin, within the Caucasian
range?” Her answer was: “Fair. Quite fair. I think it is very
fair, as a matter of fact. Almost like no ultra-violet light for
This seems to be the norm for most of the
witnessed and is epitomized in the blonde, blue-eyed “Nordic”
type of alien that are witnessed by many abductees.
It has been reported that Hitler had an alien encounter in which
he was shown the blonde, blue eyed ideal that he later sought to
emulate in his notions of ‘Aryan’ purity.
There is also an account in the pseudographical
book of Enoch
indicating that Noah may too have been an albino with flesh “as
white as snow and red as a rose” and hair “white like wool.”
seems that Noah not only lacked in melanin but also seemed not
to be “human.”
His father Lamech says that he resembled “the
offspring of the angels of heaven,” and “is of a different
nature to ours.” So it would appear that he was some form of
hybrid. The unusual nature of this child was so marked that his
father was “afraid” of him.
This could lend a whole new meaning
to the story of Noah and his “Ark.”
Could the Ark and its
animals representing all the species on the planet, describe an
alien sponsored genetic experiment?
Did they for their own
reasons wish to clear the Earth of all previous experiments and
preserve this one to work on in isolation?
If so, did they cause
the deluge that led to the great flood?
Or, if the deluge was a
natural phenomenon, perhaps caused by a comet or meteorite
hitting the planet, did they choose to protect their ongoing
project with the Earth’s species?
These are interesting
questions that I will leave up in the air for now.
form a chapter in the third book of my trilogy.
Karma One: If your future readers need to remember
something about your work and your future book, what will be the
main message of this coming book?
Did you find new information
about extraterrestrial intrusion that reshape your vision and
perception of the problem?
Nigel Kerner: I am no teacher nor do I ever want to seem
one. I really don’t want to preach to anyone or provide the
world with new meanings and perspectives.
But I do have a right
to an opinion and the right as anyone does to state mine freely.
It is so easy to let this thing get out of hand and set yourself
up as some kind of Guru about it all. It is also all too easy to
make it all into some kind of money spinning venture. I really
don’t need to do either and I keep myself as much out of the
limelight as I can. Never going on lecture tours and never
making a public spectacle of myself. I loathe the status of
celebrity. It is mostly for the vainglorious. The discovered
information is all that matters. Not who makes it.
information you uncover when you investigate the UFO phenomenon
is so spectacularly compelling and so stunningly important to
every single human being on the earth, you really have no choice
but to try and set it before the entire human quantum, because
that quantum’s entire scope for survival depends on everyone
knowing all there is to know about the phenomenon.
In the end the only thing of any value I can leave my children
is the discovery of what might be true. That is what I owe them
for taking it upon myself to bring them into this deadly
Universe in their present form. Children are all that matter.
All children everywhere. They are the most special of things.
The points upon which all change pivots.
Let me say that chasing the answers to
the UFO mystery and what
they might mean to us all has been a transformative experience
for me. I would never have believed all I have discovered if it
was told me by someone else. It is for each individual to do
personally. The thunderclap of significance to each of our lives
of an extra-terrestrial indent reaches I believe beyond the
I think now I have a much better grasp of the entire
existential scale. It has been arrived at through objective
reason and logic. Not through the claims and promises of
religious and science teachers and others. The most important
thing I have discovered is that all living being capable of
making choices can transform themselves. We are all individually
The crucial thing is to retain the capacity to
think and make choices with reason.
That is the final power it