Karma One: What is you
background and education? Why did you interest yourself with the
subject of AB's and UFO's?
Paul Von Ward: I have a multifaceted background in terms
of both education and professional experience. Such diversity
led me to assume the role of interdisciplinary cosmologist where
I attempt to integrate knowledge from all fields of study.
Florida State University awarded me
a B.A. (Phi Beta Kappa) in social sciences and an M.S. in
psychology and education. My MPA degree in politics and
psychology came from Harvard University. I also pursued
post-graduate study at American University, the University of
Southern California, the U.S. Foreign Service Institute, and the
Ecole Superieure d'Administration Internationale in Paris.
My professional life started as a Protestant minister and
psychologist. I then served as a U.S. naval reserve officer
during the Vietnam War. My later 15 years as U.S. diplomat took
me to posts in Paris, Martinique, Sierra Leone, Dominican
Republic, NATO, and Washington, DC.
As founder and CEO, I led a
nonprofit international organization with projects that involved
100 countries. During this long career, I also conducted
historical, cross-cultural, and anomalous phenomena research. I
have been an independent scholar for the last decade.
The concept of Advanced Beings (AB's) interested me as a minister
studying the evidence for their contact with humans in the
establishment of various religions. My family had UFO stories,
but I became interested in the phenomenon when, as a diplomat, I
learned my government collected UFO data in other countries.
Since then I have tried to connect
the ancient stories with present day events.
Karma One : What credibility do you give to recent
sources who give information about the nature of ABís, recent
sources like what we call channels, remote viewers and other
ďNew AgersĒ? Do you make a distinction between the
Evidence included in the book indicates that humans have had
communications from AB's (gods, angels, spirits, etc.) through
dreams and trances throughout history. Some of those
communications were attempts to control humans, while others
gave Homo sapiens helpful information. In my view, all AB's are
simply other species of conscious beings, whether in physical or
Each AB, though perhaps more
knowledgeable than humans, has only a limited understanding of
our complex universe. So, even when well-intentioned, an AB can
give the human channel only partial knowledge. Given this and
the fact that some may deliberately give us false information,
humans must be discerning about such communications and
corroborate them through different epistemologies.
Human must test channeled messages
before acting on them.
Abductees refers to someone taken by an AB (or a government
agent) to another location, on Earth or beyond, against his/her
will. A contactee has received, willingly or not, some
communication or other contact from an AB.
Karma One : How do you explain that most of the Myths
and history of mankind tells the same story about the origin of
First, all the stories are not exactly the same. There are many
theories, but I believe the evidence (fossil, genetic,
archaeological, and anthropological) suggests Homo sapiens arose
in Africa due to AB genetic manipulation of Homo erectus. And
that this basic account was carried around the world by the
There appears to have been
subsequent genetic interventions (as described in the Bible and
Sumerian texts), so the stories vary. Western scholars must be
careful not to interpret other cultural traditions through their
own linguistic and religious biases.
The fact that most traditions do have accounts of AB involvement
with either the first humans or their culture does give credence
to the AB intervention story.
Karma One : Beside the congruence and the similarities
between myths from different civilizations, what kind of
credibility can we give to those ancient myth and religions? Is
it possible that a manipulation is possible, that those ABís
donít tell us the true about our nature, their nature, our
origin and their origin?
My sense is that the variety among creation stories reflects
more the differences among human languages and cultures. I
prefer to review the historical data we have available about our
origins and AB interventions and develop up-dated
interpretations of that past.
The purpose of the book is to test
the hypothesis that natural beings from elsewhere in the
universe did influence our development.
I test this hypothesis against
historical records, the fossil record,
estimates, the history of languages and alphabets, and the human
institutions of kingship and priesthood. I use ancient documents
From my perspective this gives us a version of history to check
AB accounts passed on to different humans. Like all
interpreters, human channels also distort to some extent the
stories AB's give them. Thus, we must be very careful not to
take any one channeled version of AB intervention as complete
Some of those AB sources may also be
manipulating the human audience for their own purposes, or the
human channel may manipulate the material for his or her own
gain (publicity, financial wealth, or control over a particular
group as the early priests did when they formed AB-god cults)
Karma One : Generally speaking, do you think
personally that those ABís are benevolent or malevolent ?
I believe, like humans and probably all species, that there are
benevolent and malevolent AB's. Sometimes, what seems malevolent
to humans may be a perfectly natural behavior on the part of an
AB. (What do animals think of our experiments on them that we do
in the name of science to benefit humans?)
Whether we consider an AB malevolent
or benevolent, we must assess whether the intention is more to
help humans than to benefit the AB, just as we evaluate human
Then we can decide whether to accept
their help or not.
Karma One : People like David Jacobs or
believe that a race of ABís is responsible of a huge
manipulation of the human race. Do you believe in that?
I believe the first manipulation (a genetic up-grading of Earth
primates) was the most intrusive. It dramatically speeded up
hominoid development on this planet. That appears to have been
AB's doing to Homo erectus what humans now do genetically to
lesser species to enhance our diets and use animals for service
Any manipulations since then appear
to me to reflect struggles among AB's for access to and control
of Earth resources, which include humans from their point of
view. Some of these connections may be in the form of secret
links to covert human groups. I suspect these humans are more
responsible for disinformation and terrorizing the public than
the AB's directly. Reports of AB abductions and contacts seem to
suggest basically neutral or benign intentions.
In any event, the only recourse the public has is to
collectively pool information from all sources and engage in
open debate about human options. This proposed process is
treated fully in the last chapter of the book. Modern UFO and ET
interest groups have been much too cult-like and not willing
enough to share their information and cooperate with other
This is an obstacle to overcoming
the AB legacy of fragmented consciousness and societal
Karma One : Can we make a connection between the story
of the creation of man according to the Sumerian text and the
story of the creation of man according the Gnostic. Both talks
about superior beings. The Gnostic with the Archons are more
specific when they say that the Archons, coming from the Stars
are bad creature responsible of our falling fate. Do you think
the Anunnaki are the same creatures?
Remember that the Gnostic texts are much more recent than the
The Gnostic writers were the products of the Era
of God-Cults (from 3,500 BP to 500 CE) with its distortions of
the early history of AB's in Mesopotamia, Egypt, and the Eastern
Mediterranean. In the last several centuries of AB-god cults,
humans had begun to imagine that the Anunnaki and their junior
AB's were supernatural powers (not just natural beings who were
more advanced than humans).
So the Gnostic stories of creation
have this supernatural orientation. The Hebrew Torah and the
Dead Sea Scrolls (all about 2,000 years old) still treated the
AB's as natural beings until they were later reinterpreted by
the priesthood as supernatural. (The development of magical
thinking prevalent in AB-god cults and the invention of
supernaturalism in the modern era are described in Chapters 20
and 22 respectively.)
In my view the
Archons of the Gnostics were analogous to the Gi-Gi and Neter of the Sumerian and Egyptian texts and the Greys
of today. In other words they were the "enlisted" men following
the commands of the "officer" corps.
Since they carried out the nasty
orders of the ruling AB's (like forcing humans to obey and even
killing some of them), they are seen as the evil, bad guys by
Karma One : According to your search, what is your
personal opinion about the purpose of the AB by creating
mankind? Just for the fun and the beauty of creating intelligent
life or, as some authors postulates, ABís created man because
they need some kind of slaves?
See the answer to question 5 above. It seems to me that most
groups or species act toward others in their own self-interest
(however that is defined). Thus, the Sumerian story of Anunnaki
"creation" of humans sounds reasonable.
They wanted some assistants who were
strong and dependent on them (like slave-owning humans), so they
genetically domesticated some hominoids for that role (as humans
bred the dumb mule). With the help of some AB's, particularly
after the global cataclysm of 11,500 BP, much human progress has
We can only blame humans for the
distortions of the role of AB's in history and the creation of
supernaturally oriented religious and political institutions
that have stifled natural human development and expansion of
Karma One : In your book, with the ABís thesis, you
propose another way to look at the main religions (Christian,
Muslim, Buddhist and Jew). Religions are not the result of the
contact between the creator of all things and us but the contact
between manipulated men and advanced beings from more advanced
civilizations. Do you mean that those beings are more advanced
technologically but not really spiritually and in a metaphysical
point of view? Is it possible that we are the victims of a huge
cultural manipulation from those beings and that we are caught
in a kind of Cargo Cult Syndrome?
Your questions are almost as I would state the conclusions from
my research. While the AB's were actively involved with humans
on Earth, humans saw them as more powerful beings, but only
parts of the natural universe. After the AB-gods withdrew from
physical positions of power over humans, and humans became
kings, the human interpreters for the AB's began to serve as an
They took advantage of subjects of
the various ruling AB's (like Ishtar, Marduk,
to turn them into wishful-thinking cults. The cults were taught
to believe that if they did the rituals set out by the priests,
gave offerings to them, and prayed to the departed ABs' that
they would come back and rule on Earth again (the second-coming
As described in the response to
question 6 above, these cults became the basis for religion.
They were like the Cargo Cult syndrome among Pacific Islanders
who saw the advanced technology of U.S. armed forces dropping
goodies to them and concluded the planes were gods.
We must remember that Christianity was a misrepresentation of
the earlier cult of YHVH and a distortion of the life of the
human teacher Jesus, but it was the product of the concept of
supernaturalism solidified in
the Roman Church. Islam came from
the channeled message from an AB called Gabriel to Mohammed.
Once again it was a distortion of a
view of an indirect communication for the purposes of one human
and his followers. Modern religions like that of the Mormons
came from a similar experience. Buddhism is a philosophy, not a
religion, but many supernaturally thinking Westerners treat it
as a region with a supernatural basis.
When I use the term AB for Advanced Beings, I mean only that
they are more advanced in terms of technology or communications
between dimensions and can take the initiative to contact us; we
can't force them to meet or talk with us. I suspect that
throughout the universe advanced species have varying degrees of
intellectual, moral, and ethical development.
In my view, only the natural philosophies of a few traditional
cultures reflect the appropriate view of the ultimate creative
source of the universe.
Cults or religions that worship
human-defined AB's simply worship their own projections.
Karma One : Do you believe that those ABís
pretending to be God are impostor or it is man who use those
ABís phenomenon as a tool to impose hierarchy and ultimate power
who is the impostor ?
I do not know of any AB's who declare they are the creators of
our universe or the cosmos. Some AB's have claimed to be the
rulers over Earth and humans, but that reflects their own desire
for power over us (as in human kings and queens who dominate and
rule over colonies of more primitive humans).
Only humans who think in very
simplistic terms would even consider pretending that AB's like
YHVH, or variations of his personality as in Allah or the
Christian God, are the ultimate source of all things. Such
believers confuse representatives of more advanced species from
other planets with the energy and consciousness that lies at the
center of creation.
This is what Freud called an
projection of human ideas on the unknown.
When the Anunnaki ruled what is now the Middle East after the
Flood, humans became very dependent on them for technical
assistance and knowledge (Chapters 11-13 in the book). Humans
developed a sense of not being self-sufficient, looking to
higher beings for direction and a confirmation of value. After
the AB's ceased direct rule over 4,000 years ago, humans felt
deserted and lost.
They became psychologically
susceptible to manipulation by the people who had been given
authority as kings and priests. Most humans in that area were
easily swept into AB-god cults of one kind or the other. These
cults led directly to modern institutions of
royalty (providing the base for most European governments).
The revolutionary US government has
now also moved in this theocratic direction, supporting secrecy
and covert programs.
Karma One : In your book, you clearly show that in
ancient times, wars between men were the result of wars between
Gods and their followers and that Gods taught men to ďhate each
other for superficial reasonsĒ. Today, despite the fact that
those Gods or ABís donít appear materially in front of us and
our ďmodernĒ society, do you think that it is still the case:
wars between men could be the result of silent wars between
Chapter 19 does explain how the AB's between 4,000 and 10,000
years ago conscripted or psychologically enlisted humans in
their conflicts. However, I do not know whether AB's still
covertly use current wars as instruments for their own battles.
I see no direct purpose that would serve for them. I do believe
that most all wars in modern history have been wholly or
partially due to the historical conflicts among AB-god cults and
their derivative supernatural religions.
Starting with the wars among the
states of Sumer, Akkadia, Babylon, Israel, Egypt, Phoenicia,
etc., we see they were led by the AB-surrogate kings in a manner
that duplicated the previous wars led by the "gods of old".
During this era of AB-cults, the kings believed they enjoyed the
protection of their AB-gods.
As supernaturalism began to prevail in human consciousness, it
became very easy for rulers to invoke the names of their "gods"
to whip credulous followers into the frenzy necessary for
We still see that motivation in the
soldiers and terrorists of modern wars who die believing a "god"
is on their side.
Karma One : Some authors like David Ash says that the
ďbenevolentĒ ABís toward men are not the ones we believe in.
Lucifer, the light bearer, or Satan could be falsely described
as the bad guy and YHVH and his angels, the good guys. Ash
believe that because Satan wanted to set the mankind free, he
was described as an evil being by the Judeo-Christian cults and
religions. What do you think about this kind of conception?
I agree with that conception. In Chapter 4 I describe that
history (contained in the
Book of Enoch) and show that the AB's,
led by one named Sin (of the family of Enki), who wanted to
provide more technical assistance to humans were overruled by
the senior AB's, led by Ninurta (who may also have been known as
The AB's who won that vote punished
those who had given some science to humans, by casting them out
of certain positions (like a modern government cabinet shuffle)
and labeling them as "sinners". The winners wanted to limit
human access to science and the truth about the goals of the
Anunnaki. They "demonized" the AB's favoring human development,
such as Enki whose symbol was the caduceus (two intertwined
serpents). That's why the AB desiring to give knowledge to Eve
in the Bible is associated with a serpent, leading to your next
To complicate the story, it seems that the ďgoodĒ guys, those
who bring knowledge to mankind are related to the snake (the
role of the good snake against the Archons in the Gnostic
texts), a reptilian symbolism (very important in shamanism
On the other hand, some authors
believes that the reptilian (short Greys are described sometimes
as reptilian entities) are the ďbad guysĒ, the extraterrestrial
entities who manipulate this world, wage the wars, abduct men,
women and children and are behind secrets societies like the
The confusion relating to symbols by human writers, including
myself, is understandable. We have so many contradictory sources
alleging to represent the facts that one has to be very careful
about making final conclusions.
The Gnostic texts were close
enough historically to common knowledge about the story I
describe under question 11, that it is logical they would
associate helpful AB's with Enki and his followers with his
serpent symbol. To now label all reptilian-type AB's as the "bad
guys" and to associate them with the serpent symbol of Enki (a
hominoid type) makes two mistakes.
First, the Enki symbol refers to the DNA double helix, not the
reptile kingdom of animals. Second, the AB's we label reptilian
do not correspond to Earthly reptilian species. Using the word
reptile for an AB group only a signify a particular AB
body-type. Like the selection of animal forms as totems in older
societies, we use the word reptile to characterize an aspect of
a group of AB's. In most traditions, the reptile totem has had
very positive meanings (as in the Chinese and Celtic cultures).
In fact, the Christian culture is
the most prominent to use the reptile image in a negative
manner. It should be obvious that this was done by the
priesthood to scare believers away from the true story of
Ninurta/YHVH's desire to control us.
Karma One : Do we possess material to prove that
churches and religious authorities obscured the real nature of
those ABís when the main religions and churches created the
notion of ďethericĒ being (angels and demons) instead talking
about the fact that those ABís are in fact real flesh entities.
What is the purpose of this manipulation?
Yes, I believe historical documents do suggest when the real
nature of AB's began to change. Chapters 20-22 explain this
progression from natural to magical to supernatural descriptions
of the existence of AB's and their relationship to humans.
Chapter 7 describes the natural perspective earlier humans had
on the presence of their interactions with other dimensions and
The reason most researchers do not
see this evidence before our eyes is that they interpret older
texts through assumptions of today's supernaturalism. For
instance, when they read of AB's walking, talking, eating and
having sex with humans, they just assume the account is
allegorical according to their modern interpretation of reality.
However, if one reads ancient accounts in context, it is very
easy to find concrete descriptions of the lives of the AB-gods.
The Vedic, Sumerian, Persian, Egyptian, Hebrew, Greek and other
texts from the era of AB domination over Earth are filled with
historical stories that deserve to be read as the authors
intended, telling the stories of beings that they knew.
within the last 2,000 years we do see the shift to discussions
about the possibility that specific AB's or humans might be etheric or spiritual and the unique representatives of a
realm beyond human comprehension.
Karma One : You seem to use mathematical probabilities
and genetics as a tool to help science to corroborate the
existence of ABís. Can you explain this?
The ancient texts and metaphysical sources both suggest certain
time-lines for the interventions of AB's in human history. If
those time-lines are correct, we should be able to corroborate
them through various scientific disciplines. For instance, we
now can be quite certain that the events described as the Flood
in the Hebrew Torah and other stories around the world actually
happened about 11,500 years ago.
Some dates associated with
various break-ups of
Atlantis can now be confirmed by
geophysical research. (See chapter 10.)
Consequently, if such time-lines refer to genetic interventions
in human development, we should be able to corroborate them with
the technology of
phylogenetic trees. This is a technique used
by geneticists (counting alleles in a group's genome) to
estimate the age and geographic location of significant genetic
variations from a standard evolutionary model. These points of
variation appear as the branches on our evolutionary tree.
Chapter 9 describes this area.
Several studies suggest that the oldest human groups (Africans)
appeared from a small pool of male and female genes about the
time historical sources point to the first genetic intervention
that resulted in Homo sapiens (circa 300,000 BP). Similar
genetic studies and the fossil record discussed in Chapter 8
also tend to confirm ancient texts' accounts of the divergence
of Caucasians and Orientals. This studies do not directly prove
the AB-intervention hypothesis, but they are surprisingly
We need more scientific research in
Karma One : Because of the great cataclysm, the great
flood that most of the religious texts reports, you postulate
that we have a legacy, a post traumatic stress disorder deeply
implanted in us still today. What are the consequences of this
legacy in our behavior today? Do you think that this disorder
was willingly implanted in us and controlled by some of the ABís
to control us by fear ?
I infer a traumatic stress disorder among the survivors of the
Cataclysm from descriptions we have of their reactions to AB
technical assistance. Humans did not understand the physical
calamity that had befallen them and needed immediate aid.
Sumerian and Hebrew texts report how grateful the humans were
for the gods' help.
Because the AB's had superior
technology and access to seeds and possibly domesticated
animals, humans saw them as saviors. (DNA studies show our
modern livestock were genetically bred thousands of years before
the Cataclysm.) They bowed before the AB's and offered them the
choice meats and fruits. Humans felt themselves undeserving and
dependent on the AB's. Of course many AB's took advantage of
this "dependency syndrome" to obtain psychological loyalty in
their internecine AB struggles.
This era reinforced the human view that our species was well
below that of the gods from the skies. Some saw humans as fallen
beings, unworthy to touch the hem of an AB garment and in need
of AB blessings. In many human groups people turned to worship
any species from another part of the universe. (This is as true
today in UFO/ET and religious groups as it was in the era of
Humans desperately wanted to be more like AB's, to
be taken into the skies in their craft. Humans envied the longer
life-time of the AB's whose planets had different orbits from
their suns. Humans began to covet a home in the heavens.
All these psychological conditions has made it possible for
humans pretending to have a special connection to the gods to
create cults and religions, promising a return of the AB's and,
perhaps, the possibility of a life in the heavens with the AB's.
These promises are made by humans for their own benefit. This is
the myth told by kings, popes, imams, rabbis, and others to keep
control over men. The sad thing is that most people in these
positions today do not know the truth either.
They are just as gullible as any of
their followers in perpetuating the lie.
Karma One : Do you think that the ABís are at the
origin of those cataclysms that wipe out most of humanity (as
Sitchin seems to postulate with weather control and
No, I do not believe that the history of Earth cataclysms
originates in AB's. Our turbulent solar system and its
interactions with the rest of our galaxy and the universe make
life on any planet over time rather tenuous.
It is likely that
AB's have been able to predict cataclysmic events better that
humans, and in some instances may have taken advantage of this
knowledge to manipulate them. Conversely, AB's have obviously
provided assistance to human survivors on one or more occasions.
Some human predictions (like the
Mayan calendar) seem to indicate we learned about cosmic
influences from AB astronomers.
Karma One : Why did some of the ABís help mankind to
As indicated in some of the earlier answers, certain AB's have
always appeared to have a positive interest in humans and
provided them with knowledge and assistance. The Bible and
Sumerian texts suggest that some AB's (from among the Elohim
and Anunnaki) actually warned humans in Mesopotamia that a
cataclysm was due and provided specifications for the
construction of a submersible craft that would surface after
being deluged by flood waters.
These same AB's reportedly heard the
pleas of the humans upon opening the "ark" and took pity on
them. After all, the AB's had helped genetically create this
species of humans in "their own image". Given the reports of
earlier mating between some AB's and humans, even producing
hybrid offspring ("the biblical giants of old"), family ties may
have motivated some of the AB assistance. It is also reasonable
to believe that the AB's would have been disappointed to see
their experiment just perish due to a natural disaster.
Humans are similarly motivated to
help much lesser species caught in disasters (and the blood ties
between the AB's and the human survivors were very powerful.)
Karma One : Some authors postulate that we are caught
in an endless cycle of evolution and devolution: Our current
civilization has existed only 7000 years. That is nothing in a
cycle of millions of years. Do you think that it is possible
that a widespread civilization, well advanced technologically,
that looks like us existed a long time ago (a very long time
before the Sumerian era) and left no traces?
I, too, believe that all species experience cycles of progress
and decline. A species can decline into extinction or achieve a
renaissance. Given the age of Earth and the metaphysical
information we have about the existence of earlier forms of
humans (and traditional memories of
Lemuria, and other
lost civilizations), I think it is likely that advanced races
have lived prior to ours.
Their existence would help explain
some of the presently unexplainable discoveries of very ancient
tooled and scientifically sophisticated artifacts found around
the globe and described in books like Forbidden Archaeology.
Karma One : Many researchers and scholars corroborate
and continue the work of
Zecharia Sitchin on the Sumerian Texts.
Those texts give many incredible and important details about the
origin of our civilization, about our links and our relations
with the ABís, those we call Gods in the sacred books. This kind
of information could change dramatically the perspective we have
about religion and history. Why do academic authorities, the
mainstream media, and other researchers in universities not give
more importance to the study of the Sumerian Texts?
As my book
Gods, Genes, & Consciousness explains in more detail,
the very essence of the authority that these institutions base
their existence on is their claim to represent the "natural" or
"God-given" truth. They have been a part of the cover-up from
the time of the Roman Empire to discredit the story of AB
involvement in human history.
To admit that what they call the
true origins of science and religion (and hence, Western
Civilization) may not be true would totally undermine their
credibility and authority. All the power structures they have
been paid to reinforce would withdraw that financial support.
The entire edifice of modern societies would collapse.
Individuals in these institutions do
not have such a "death wish", to destroy all that makes them who
Karma One : Do you believe that today, ABís like
bloodlines still want to influence and shape
the history of our civilization and that they are still present
but invisible? Do you believe in
the Illuminati hypothesis, in
the fact that the Illuminati represent the Anunnaki interests on
earth or do you think that it is a too weird speculation from
First, let's clarify the concept of "bloodlines". If the AB
genetic manipulations I describe in the book are correct, then
all Homo sapiens sapiens are part of the general Anunnaki
bloodline. What some writers refer to as "blue bloods" or "royal
or holy bloodlines" are the direct descendants of mating
between individual AB's and individual humans (mainly females,
though not exclusively). These were known as "demigods" in
several Middle Eastern societies and were likely the first
humans to be "anointed" kings over city states by the AB's.
(Your reference to whether AB's are still present but invisible
is covered elsewhere.)
Not all children of such AB-human mating ended up in royal
palaces as kings or pharaohs. Some of them apparently became
teachers among the humans, trying to help them understand their
reality as children of the AB-gods as well as Earthlings. They
were founders of what I call the non-theist natural traditions
(the traditions suppressed by the priests of AB-god cults and
On your last question above, I do believe there are a number of
groups who covertly manipulate the course of humans affairs
whenever possible for their own gain. This may include
organizations like the Illuminati, but for the most part
names are not known.
I usually refer to them as Oligarchs or
I believe their interest is more in
preserving the power they originally derived from having close
connections to the ruling Anunnaki (and are hidden behind the
royals and priests who more clearly inherited power from the
Karma One : You consider YHVH as an AB who wanted to
impose during Moses reign an utopian centralized society. Why
you use the word ďutopiaĒ? What kind of utopia and society did
this God want to impose and why? Is it really an Anunnaki ABís
vision or his behavior show that he comes from another
Yes, as described in Chapter 12, I do believe YHVH was one of
the second-level Earth-based Anunnaki (possibly the one known in
Sumerian as Ninurta). Like Ishtar, Baal, and others he wanted to
develop a distinct group of humans as his own fiefdom too give
him higher status among his AB peers. He came from the group of
AB's who were more authoritarian and controlling of humans,
without giving them a lot of advanced knowledge and assistance.
I used the word "utopia" in the sense of it being an
AB-idealized concept, not the perfect one for humans.
From YHVH's perspective, he wanted a
society that was disciplined, controlled by his chosen priests
and dedicated to honoring him above all other AB's. He required
strict rules of behavior, diet, dress, and warfare for him. He
was an absolute ruler, threatening harsh punishment, including
death for disobedience. (All the attributes of his ideal society
are found in Books of Numbers and Leviticus in the Jewish
Its purpose was more to keep humans
in line than to facilitate their creativity and potential.
Karma One : One could postulate that language and the
art of writing is a ďgiftĒ from ABís to mankind. But in your
book, you are ambiguous about this gift. On one hand, you seem
to say that ABís gave us a very sophisticated language and
writing capable of full and perfect communication, also
including an esoteric level, with each sound having magical
properties. On the other hand, you talk about devolution of
language. You say from the Sanskrit to today, the language lost
its ďpowerĒ for full and magic communication. You talked also
about the story of the Tower of Babel where the human looses
this connection with ABís language. So, whoís responsible of
this situation? Does the ABís has a agenda with language to
weaken, to lose us in a strict 3D reality with a language
disconnected from the ABís reality?
Yes, I do believe, as several human traditions suggest, that
some forms of language and writing were the gifts of AB's to at
least some groups. (As you know from Chapter 16, I think there
were also some totally natural and some partially natural human
There may have been languages older than 100,000
years now unknown of both human and AB origin, but I believe
today's major world languages are likely derivatives of early AB
input, because they have lived through writing (another AB gift,
according to both Western and Eastern accounts). Of modern
languages, I believe Sanskrit represents the most well-developed
The word Sanskrit itself means "perfected" and the name of its
script "devanagari" means "from the gods". Its 50 letters and 15
vowels are the most technically well developed of the other,
more recent, alphabets, in terms of reflecting the human voice
apparatus for speech. When I speak of devolution of the alphabet
and associated languages, I refer to the more simplistic Western
alphabets of Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and Arabic.
Another way these languages have
devolved is through loss of understanding of the original
energetic power of the sound of each letter. They were initially
intended to be used in words that corresponded to the energy
frequencies of the object or action they symbolized. Although
some esoterics attempt to understand it, that aspect was
essentially lost from our collective memory. (Numerology today
shows this devolution.)
The gifts of languages and alphabets came from the group of AB's
interested in promoting human development. The Tower of Babel
story reflects what may have been several occasions when one AB
or another wanted to keep closer control over a group of humans.
As in modern colonial history when conquerors have forced new
languages on subjugated peoples, apparently some AB's divided
humans among themselves through a similar technique.
As in most other areas of human
history since 3,500 BP, I believe it has been humans who have
manipulated the evolution and use of language for their own
Karma One : In the ritual abuse phenomenon, the
victims, and also the psychiatrists and the psychologists who
examine them, indicate most of them suffer from a Multiple
Personality Disorder. They also note sometimes in the victim
accounts the presence of alien entities, demon, devil entities,
reptilian (read the late
Karla Turner) etc. Some even speak
about Anunnaki. More and more specialists of ritual abuse and MPD take that situation (alien presence in military abduction
and ritual abuse) seriously. Do you think that some ABís plays a
role in that peculiar case and for what purpose? In the same
Monarch programming and ritual abuse are a very peculiar
phenomenon that some psychologist and specialist of the mental
health community relate to the abduction phenomenon. According
to some authors, Monarch programming,
Mind Control, and satanic
and ritual abuse are part of plan set up to abduct children and
use them for Mind control and the coming of the so called
antichrist and to impose a one-world, one-religion government.
Do you think that some ABís are involved in that?
First of all, I do not know the facts about this subject. I can
only conjecture. MPD is a naturally occurring psychological
phenomenon when an incarnated consciousness is subjected to
untenable stress. For whatever reason, when the personality
cannot cope with the reality of a particular experience, it
dissociates into self-protective fragments (or multiple
personalities). (This exists to varying degrees in all humans.)
Having said that, let me speculate on your question.
A strong human can voluntarily permit another entity to speak
through its conscious field (we call these volunteers channels).
A weak human's conscious field can be invaded by another
consciousness, either human or AB. I am certain the latter has
occurred in many and different circumstances. It is just one of
the ways powerful beings can take greater control over
temporarily fragile humans, adults and children alike.
So, the answer to your question is, if the programming and other
mind-control projects you suggest are happening, one of the
tactics used certainly involves subjecting people to the
necessary stress (through drugs, physical and psychological abuse, and
ritual pressures) to break their normal personality borders and
insert "alien" consciousness. (Alien can be either AB or human.)
Karma One : Do you think that ďmodern dictatorshipsĒ
the Nazi regime, the North Korean government, or Stalinism
with its cult of personality have their roots in human
consciousness in the relation human being has in old
civilization with their ABís leaders? Without their influence,
do you think that we could develop another kind of government,
self development, relation with nature and consciousness?
I believe all modern
top-down governments (including democracies
who have permitted the taking of control from self-governing
local groups by authoritarian means, individuals, or
organizations) have their roots in the AB heritage of kingship
In this situation the leaders believe, and their
followers accept, the notion that the officials in power are
there by the god(AB)-given or Darwin-given right to rule.
Yes, without the AB-legacy model, I am convinced the governments
of the world would be very different than most of them are
today. If we look at the models of the few traditional societies
who escaped the direct or indirect-colonized influence of the AB
hegemony after 11,500 BP, we see a more egalitarian,
gender-balanced, and participatory form of government.
There is usually much more respect
for individual rights and differences. Leaders are usually
volunteers who do public service for a time and then return to
their own work. They may be chosen by lot to randomly rotate the
authority and responsibility around the community.
societies reflect a respect for nature and its importance in the
survival of humans. Unfortunately, all significant societies
today have been taken over by one of
the old ruling bloodlines
or economic elites who gained power through
the old "royal"
(This includes most of Europe, the U.S., most Arab
nations, China and Japan, and many others.)
Karma One : Some authors like Clive Prince and Lynn
Pincket (the Stargate conspiracy) believe that a conspiracy
exist to build a one world religion, a new way to worship ABís
with a mixing, a syncretism of old Egyptian religion, rituals
from the Schoolís Mystery and other Judeo Christian elements,
the creation of what you call a new supernaturalism to worship a
anthropocentric God. Do you believe in that speculation? Do ABís
pose another kind of threat ?
No, I do not believe a conspiracy exists to create a new
supernatural, anthropocentric god-based world religion. The
existing supernatural religions are easy enough to use by covert
forces who wish to manipulate them.
We see this in the current
theocratic movement in the United States, the use of
supernatural conflicts in India, a secular state, and of course
between Jewish, Islamic, and Christian societies wherever
financial interests want to divide and conquer nations or
regions. The very unverifiable nature of the validity of
supernaturalism makes its believers, in whatever "god",
susceptible to easy manipulation by coded words and symbols.
Another psychosis is not required.
The magical thinking of
New Age movements and the defensive
posture of materialist science offers no solutions to the
current fragmentation of society.
I do believe there is a small degree of hope for a resurgence of
the natural tradition of science and philosophy (exemplified in
classical Greece, the European Renaissance and the
Enlightenment). It could provide the human species to a more
accurate understanding of its past and its actual relationship
My book's final chapter offers a way with its concept of a
Karma One : Do you encounter some problems with your
concept of AB's with religious authority or with readers? How
has your book been received by the press and by the ufologist
and conspiracy theorist?
I have not been directly attacked by religious authorities
or readers for this book.
They have learned that the best way to
suppress such heretical views is to ignore them. A religious
university bookstore simply refuses to have a book-signing. Their
periodicals do not carry reviews. The
mainstream press and
public academic institutions also ignore such challenges to
their well-established assumptions.
However, there are fairly
large groups of people who believe the "official" world views of
government, religion, and science have serious deficiencies in
their coverage of what humans really know. These people
enthusiastically engage in discussions with me on the merits of
my research. Smaller periodicals and newspapers and some
radio/TV hosts really like the book.
Giordano Bruno was
burned at the stake on February 19, 1600 and his natural
cosmology is still suppressed in the same manner.