Martin: And the so-called “High Jesuits” represent what group?
Phelps: I would say that they’re the “professed”, the high 4th
Degree. When a Jesuit is professed, he is under the
Jesuit Oath; he
is under the “Bloody Oath” that I have in
Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath in our paper?
Phelps: Of course, absolutely.
Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and it’s
similarity to the
Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, and I
wrote that question before I got back to the Protocols portion of
Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have
carried out every protocol in that little handbook. They have
carried everything out. And, Alberto Rivera says - and he was a
Jesuit - he was greatly maligned, not helped at all by the Apostate,
Protestants, and Baptists in this country; he was helped, somewhat,
by Jack Chick. Jack Chick published his story in six volumes, titled
Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, & VI.
Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with
the Pope who
published the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the
Jesuits themselves because they, and they alone, were the ones who
were able to bring this to pass.
They’re the ones in the government. They’re the ones behind
professional sports. The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a
Knight of Malta. The owner of the Detroit Lions is a
Malta. All your top owners of these ball clubs, for the most part,
are Knights of Malta, getting the people whooped up in this hoopla
over games and sports, while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So,
that was one of the things in the Protocols - that they would create
Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd-degree
Freemason - Disneyworld, Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey,
with Hersey Park. They create all of these amusements and games and
pastimes to get the people drunk with pleasure, while they’re busy
overthrowing the Protestant form of government.
Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?
Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled by the
Mafia. But all the high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they
are ALL subordinate to the Pope or to the Cardinal of New York,
which is Cardinal O’Connor - because the Commission, the Mafia
Commission resides in New York. Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was
intimate, personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul,
Joe Kennedy. And that has not changed.
So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High Mafia
Dons - the Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And they
control Hollywood, not the Jews. It’s only Jews who are front-men
who are involved in Hollywood and working for the Mafia and for the
Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen Spector. Arlen
Spector was Spelly’s [Cardinal Spellman’s] Jew in the assassination
[of President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.
Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there’s anything that you
don’t want me to print, please let me know because, literally, I’m
going to print everything we say in this conversation.
Phelps: That’s fine, that’s fine with me because it needs to be
Martin: Let’s get back to
Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want to shine the
spotlight on this guy for just a little bit here. Let’s talk about
him. What does he do? Who is he? Let’s talk about his position as
“General”. How do they exercise this control over the Pope? Does the
Pope know he’s a pawn?
Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do you want
me to deal with?
Martin: Let’s just shine the light right on the Count.
Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.
Martin: Let’s start there, and you tell me everything you want to
tell me about that position.
Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total
dictator and autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials
move. The provincials are his major subordinates. There are around
83 provincials right now.
As I understand it, the Jesuit Order
has divided the world into 83
regions. Ok? For each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There
are 10 provincials in the United States. There is one for Central
America. There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided up the world into
So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in
Nebuchadnezzar or the Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a
Roman form of government where all the states or provinces are
subordinate to this worldwide sovereign.
The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order.
He meets with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an
agitation, he gets the information from the provincial of that
country, how best to go about this, the demeanor of the people, and
then he uses legitimate grievances to foam an agitation - like the
1964 Civil Rights Movement.
That was ALL a Jesuit agitation,
completely, because the end result was more consolidation of power
in Washington with the 1964 Civil Rights Act that was written by
[the longtime President of the University of Notre Dame, the
Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.
The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the
provincials then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are
many Jesuits who are not “professed”, so many of the lower Jesuits
have no idea what’s going on at the top. They have no concept of the
power of their Order.
It’s just like Freemasonry. The
lower Freemasons have no idea that
the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They
think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the
bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to
the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the
Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish
Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were
suppressed by the Pope in 1773.
So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most
powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during
their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when
you see the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the
Napoleonic Wars carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did,
and the Jacobins, whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit
It’s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his
The Count Of Monte Cristo.
The Count is the Jesuit General.
The Count of the Mount of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about
the Jesuit General getting vengeance when the Jesuits were
suppressed, and many of them were consigned to an island, three
hours sailing, West, off the coast of Portugal.
And so, when the
Jesuits finally regained their power, they punished all of the
monarchs of Europe who had suppressed them, drove them from their
thrones, including the Knights of Malta from Malta, using Napoleon.
And Alexander Dumas, who fought for the Italian patriots in 1848, to
free Rome from the temporal power of the Pope, wrote many books and
one of the books was to expose this, and that was The Count Of Monte Cristo.
So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it’s really
on the Jesuit Order regaining their power in France. The Count of
Monte Cristo has an intelligence apparatus that can’t be beat. Well,
that’s the Jesuit Order.
But the Count doesn’t get what he really ought to have, or his last
wish, and that’s the love of woman. He gains back all of his
political power; he gains back everything he lost; but he doesn’t
have the love of a woman. And THAT is the Jesuit Order. They have no
women. They have no love of a woman. Because to have a wife, to have
a woman, means you have an allegiance to your wife and family, and
you cannot obey the General. That’s why they will NEVER be married,
and that’s one of the great KEYS to their success.
betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all the Irish
Catholics getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can betray
us in Vietnam and walk away.
They can betray us every time we go
to the hospital and get radiated and cut and drugged, and walk
away, because it’s “for the greater glory of God” - Ad Majorem Dei
Gloriam: the greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.
Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?
Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the
rule of the world,
with the Pope
of their making, from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. That’s
their ultimate goal.
Martin: And why is Solomon’s Temple rebuilt so important?
Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When
Loyola first started the Order, one of the first things he did was,
he wanted to go to Jerusalem and set up the Jesuit headquarters
there. So, he went there, he tried to do it and failed, came back,
went to school, started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be a
good idea to just review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.
Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was
wounded at a battle between the French and the Spanish, and his leg
was shattered. Well, the French General, because Loyola was very
brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to attend Loyola. So they
set the leg and sent him back to his home - which, of course, he was
royalty to the Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the
Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg
- it had
healed improperly, so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg,
with severe, horrible, awful pain - and trying to stretch this leg to
get it back to normal shape, he endured awful, terrible pain. He had
it rebroken, again, a couple of times and it still did not heal
properly, so he had a perpetual limp. He could no longer be the
courtier among women, and as a result, he went into this depression,
and he then had this vision of the saints, etc., etc., and he wrote
his spiritual exercises.
I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute, but I’ll
take up from there. Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when
this happened with his spiritual exercises, those spiritual
exercises would be basic training for all of his Jesuits. That’s
what they will ALL go through. That’s what every Jesuit goes through
One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my superior
says “black is white and white is black”, then that’s the way it is.
That is in his spiritual exercises. That is what is quoted in JFK,
when Kevin Costner is telling his people: “Hey, people, we’ve got to
start thinking like the CIA. Black is white and white is black.”
That was a Jesuit giveaway that the Jesuits produced that movie,
because they’re quoting Ignatius Loyola in that movie from his
So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel, and he
set his mind to regain back what the Papacy had lost to the
Reformation. And so, he went to the Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then
created the Jesuit Order. But this man is a soldier, he’s a lawyer,
and he put together a legion of soldiers and warriors to get back
what Rome had lost, as well as institute a World Government for the
Pope, from Jerusalem. This was in 1540.
He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the Inquisition,
and he was released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at
the feet of the Pope. He would be completely at his service. The
Pope chartered him, and that Pope was Pius III. The Pope chartered
them, created the Jesuit Order; now he has Papal protection, and
they began their awful history of deeds of blood. And war after war
after war after war, they’re all attributed to the Jesuit Order in
some way. Catholic nobles, with lots of money, donated castles and
schools and money to the Jesuit Order.
Virtually everything they own has been given to them or stolen by
them. Of course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World
War II. They stole all their gold, all their assets and everything,
whenever they went into a country. What’s just been released is
NOTHING compared to what they’ve taken.
In Edmond Paris’s book, printed by Ozark Publications, called The
Vatican Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did.
It calls it - the last 30 years of war is all attributable to the
Jesuits, their massacres of the Serbs and Jews, etc. But Edmond
Paris did not understand that the Jesuit General - and this is one of
the most important points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach - the
Jesuit General is in complete control of the international
intelligence community: that’s the CIA, the FBI, the
Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the British
The Jesuit General
is in COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire intelligence apparatus - FBI,
every bureaucratic agency in this country, all of it; he is in
complete control of it.
So, whenever he wants to find something out about an individual,
they put in the Social Security number, and everything from all of
the intelligence apparatus kicks-in and he and his provincials can
review everything about that man. Credit cards, you name it,
everything that’s attached to Rome’s social security number, which
FDR put upon us in 1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I
believe he was Archbishop, or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes - but Rome
was behind FDR in putting him in office.
The couple of things that he did was implement social insecurity,
the income tax, and recognizing Joseph Stalin’s bloody Jesuit USSR
government. So, with the giving of us the Social Security number,
that is Rome’s number - that’s why I refuse to use it - and that’s why
they want everybody using it for everything: driver’s license, tax
return, credit card, everything you do, that number is you and that
number is Rome’s number.
Martin: Let me just back-up here for a minute. What comes to mind is
Louis Freeh, head of the FBI.
Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight of
Columbus; I can’t prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has
got to be a Knight of Columbus.
And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And
Louis Freeh was the one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City
bombing atrocity. And his top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic
named Lon Horiuchi.
So, it’s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of the FBI,
who carried out all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh
and Lon Horiuchi are personally accountable to Cardinal O’Connor of
New York. And Cardinal O’Connor of New York is the most powerful
Cardinal in the country. He is the military vicar. And that’s why
Bush kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones, because Cardinal
O’Connor is the King of the American Empire. And he rules his Empire
from that Palace, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, “the little Vatican”.
Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with Kolvenbach?
Phelps: Of course. O’Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but the Jesuits
are like the SS of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.
And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the Jesuits of
Fordham University. Now, one of them - the head of Fordham University,
I believe he is an Irishman, is also a member of the CFR [Council on
Foreign Relations]. And I have that right here in the Annual Report
of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham maintain semblance and
rule over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the powerful
Jesuits of Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster Dulles, one
of the writers of the book on the Second Vatican Council.
Martin: Let’s back-up now, let’s go back. What’s the Council of
Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the
Protestant Reformation. Remember - the Protestant Reformation brought
us all of the political liberty that we know of today. There’s no
such thing as national sovereignty without the Reformation. There’s
no such thing as private rights without the Reformation. There’s no
such thing as the Law of Nations, as we know of it today, of
Montesquieu and the others, without the Reformation.
So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by
grace through faith alone, and that there was no need for the
priesthood to go to Heaven - that all we need is salvation in Christ,
and Romans 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith. When the
Reformation came, it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual
The priests were no longer wanted because the people were
getting the word of God in a Bible, specifically in Holland,
England, and Germany. And so, with these great revivals breaking
forth and the Reformation happening, nations were breaking away from
the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire was breaking up.
Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a gardener.
So, the Lord was moving mightily in breaking the power of the Holy
Roman Empire, started by Charlemagne and the Pope.
Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing lots of
money. The nations were not paying “Peter’s pence” anymore, which
today we call “foreign aid” in this country. And so the Pope was
very upset about his.
What’s he going to do? These nations are breaking away from us;
they’re not under our temporal or spiritual power; and it’s very
important to remember that the Pope claims two powers - spiritual and
temporal - and with the breaking of his spiritual power, he then lost
his temporal power. In other words, he no longer had the ability to
rule the people through the king of the country, because the king
was breaking away, like Henry VIII.
So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed the
Church of England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was
happening in England, in Germany, in Holland, and other places.
As a result of this, the Devil raised up
Ignatius Loyola with his
demonisms, his “spiritual exercises” and - because Loyola had been a
member of the Spanish Alumbrados, which is what we call
Illuminati today, and he used the Jesuit Order to attempt to regain
back what had been taken by the Reformation - what the Lord had done
through Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin,
and Knox - none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to
older age and died peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit
The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25 Sessions
accurse and condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It
condemns anybody who does not believe that the literal Jesus Christ
is in the host [holy communion bread ], and that his literal blood
is in the wine. That’s called transubstantiation. Anybody who does
not believe that is an accursed anathema. Anybody who believes that
their salvation is outside the Catholic Church is accursed anathema.
Anybody who believes in justification by grace through faith -
anathema, accursed. Anybody who believes that the Pope is not the
vicar of Christ - accursed, anathema. You see, all of these doctrines
were being put forth as a result of reading the Bible, which
produced the Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed everything
that the Reformers were preaching. This is all in Law called the
Council of Trent.
In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important Session,
the Jesuits condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and
freedom of conscience. So, no man has the right to choose his own
religion; no man has the right to publish what he feels is the
truth; and no man has the right to freedom of conscience.
Those rights were secured by our Baptist/ Calvinist forefathers in
the First Amendment. The man who wrote the First Amendment was James
Madison, who was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was told by that
Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc. John Leland: “If you don’t
secure all those rights, Virginia will not ratify the Constitution.”
Virginia was a Baptist/ Calvinist state.
So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the doctrines
of the Reformation, particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his
Institutes Of The Christian Religion. Calvin  wrote the
Institutes Of The Christian Religion, he finished it when he was 27,
and he dedicated it to the King of France.
And because the Jesuits
so hated him, he was driven from France and he resided in Geneva to
the day of his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It’s Calvin
and his Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola and his
Council of Trent, if you want it sewed-up in two major documents.
Martin: Council of Trent was what year?
Phelps: From 1545-1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a little town
in Italy. So, it was a Council that took place in the town of Trent,
The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that was finished
in 1648, after the 30 Years War, is another extension of Calvin’s
Institutes, and is what the Church of Scotland and the Covenanters
went by when they resisted the powers of Rome and England. That
document is a major document, and it’s not the new Westminster
Confession, it’s the old one of 1648, where they called the Pope the
man of sin, that Roman Anti-Christ, and they also denounced
And that it is their duty, to use what they call “the sword of the
spirit”, which is the Word of God, which we read in Ephesians,
Chapter 6, and “the sword of just defense” - the gun, the sword.
So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and a time
for war, and we do not refuse to go to the battlefield when it’s
necessary. It was the Calvinists who gave us our political liberty
in England with Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an independent
It was Calvinists in Holland who gave the Dutch their
political liberty, with William of Orange, and later his son, Prince
Maurice, and then later, in our great country, when it was
Washington, the Freemason who did not go into that Masonic Lodge
that last 30 years of his life - in his own words - who was a Baptist
and a Calvinist.
He was baptized in the First Baptist Church of New
York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano, all surrounded by
That’s why they didn’t surrender at Valley Forge; that’s why, when
they were naked, when they went through the snow, barefoot, they
endured that because they were Bible-believing Calvinists and they
refused to submit to the tyranny of King George, who was controlled
by the Jesuits.
And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul, we’ve
lost everything. And those very same Baptists, in the Second
Amendment, secured their right to bear arms, because they secured
the right, the “sword of just defense”. And the “sword of the
spirit” is contained in the First Amendment, the right to have the
Bible never taken from them. The two swords of Calvinism are secured
in the First and Second Amendments. Without those first two
Amendments, all the others are nothing.
Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So, let’s go to #3 of the
How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman’s signing into law
of the Emergency War Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit
Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese called “Dirty
Harry” - when they heard the movie Dirty Harry came out, they thought
it was a movie about Harry Truman, according to my Japanese pastor
friend, Daniel Fuji, who has passed away.
Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast
Democratic machine in Missouri. Harry Truman takes over after FDR’s
murder, because he was murdered in the home of Bernard Baruch. When
he did that, he then finished up the war with the hoax called the
dropping of the nuclear bombs, to purposely create this greater hoax
called the Cold War, that would enable the Vatican to knock over
country after country after country, and replace the leaders with
dictators, subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold
And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the Emergency War
Powers Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were building bomb
shelters, etc. So the nation was in kind of a frenzy.
When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under
military or martial law, and that’s when the flags in every
courtroom, state and federal, began to be changed. And every state
flag and every U.S. flag is now trimmed in gold fringe. And whenever
you see a flag trimmed in gold fringe, that means that it is the
flag of the Commander-in-Chief. Now, if it’s the state flag, it
means that’s the flag of the governor, as Commander-in-Chief. And if
it’s the federal flag, or the national flag, more correctly, it’s
the flag of the Commander-in-Chief in Washington.
So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of military rule.
They all proceed with summary procedures. The jury has no power of
jury nullification. And they are simply enforcing the laws of the
Empire, which I call 14th Amendment America, which is a
military-style, King of England-style country. The courts are
nothing more than courts of the king’s bench, as you can see in
And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have a flag
trimmed in gold fringe. The bank is what England would call, in
Blackstone’s day, the king’s bank. So, we have the king’s bank, and
we have the king’s bench. And it’s run according to military rule,
according to Berkheimer’s great work Military Rule And Martial Law,
published in 1914.
When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a great plan
to put us under the Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war
rule. “Daylight savings time” is what was called “war time”. This
country only went to daylight savings time during World War II, and
they called it, at that time, war time. So, nothing’s changed. We’ve
never gone back to not turning back our clocks. We’re still on war
time. The income tax is a war tax. It was called a victory tax in
So, people are paying a war tax, they’re under war time, they’re
under an emergency war powers act, and the courts are war courts.
Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John Kennedy, which
could take this entire interview, you say that the assassination was
ordered by the Jesuit General, executed by Pope Paul VI, and carried
out by the “American Pope”, Francis Cardinal Spellman - who, in turn,
used the Knights of Malta, Shriner Freemasons, Knights of Columbus,
and Mafia Dons, including the FBI and CIA, to carry out the order
from Rome. Would you explain why you believe your particular theory
on the assassination to be an accurate representation of the facts?
Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are properly
outlined [in his book], and proven through two centuries of showing
how it’s all been put together. Now, as to why, I will be
conservative and stick with Fletcher Prouty’s reasons, that he
outlined in his JFK and also his other book called The Secret Team.
The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the
Vietnam War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets
two questions: Did Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome control
the CIA? The answer is yes on both counts.
We know, on its face, that the
Vietnam War was called “Spelly’s War” - Cardinal Spellman’s war. He went over to the warfront many
times and he called the American soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”.
The man who was the Commander of the American forces was a Roman
Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of Columbus, I don’t know,
but he was General William Westmoreland.
So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that war
was prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland was
Cardinal Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines
Johnson was a 33rd-degree Freemason. He was also part of the
assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover, another 33rd-degree Freemason.
And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at St. Patrick’s
Cathedral, and the picture can be seen in Cooney’s work The American
Pope. So, Johnson was completely at the beck and call of Cardinal
Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the 3rd-in-control of the FBI.
According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And The Secrets,
DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and Johnson
could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to
Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by the
Jesuits of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam War?
The people of Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They would
not convert to Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.
There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had
been decided that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be
“purged”. They would later continue this purge of Cambodia, with Pol
Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It was a purging of Laos,
Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like they purged
the Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was
completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam
The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The
Vatican controls all of the drug trade - all of the heroin, all of the
opium, all of the cocaine, everything going around in Colombia.
Colombia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with
the Pope. Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco
had a concordat. They want to set up a concordat here, which was the
reason for Reagan formally recognizing the sovereign state of
Vatican City in 1984. The greatest traitor we ever had was Ronald
So, they had a concordat. Colombia has a concordat. Do you think
that drugs running out of Colombia, with a country that has a
concordat with Rome, is not controlled by Rome? If Rome didn’t want
the drug trade out of Colombia, they’d end the concordat. The whole
drug trade is run by high Mafia families out of the country of
Colombia, subject to the Jesuit General.
And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries
ago, out of China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The
movie Shogun is but a slight scratching of the surface of the Jesuit
“black ships” that trafficked in all of this silk and pearls and
gold and opals and everything they could pull out of the East,
The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive
drug-trade that would inundate every American city with drugs, being
brought in by the CIA with their Air America, and then distributed
by the Trafficante family throughout the United States - Santos Trafficante out of Miami.
So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade.
We have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination
The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time,
Jean-Baptist Janssens] wanted Kennedy out of the way was because he was going to
end the Vietnam War.
The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA, because
the CIA had betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not
giving the cover to the Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that
Roman Catholic, Jesuit-trained, grease-ball bastard - he was a
bastard, his father was a Nazi - Fidel Castro.
Kennedy was betrayed by the
CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion, which
sacrificed all the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs there,
so Castro had no real opposition. This was the same tactic, used by
the CIA and the KGB at the top, working together with Angleton
controlling it, in the Hungarian Revolution, when the CIA fomented
that revolution, and then betrayed all of those patriots into the
hands of the Soviet army and KGB, which infuriated certain top
It’s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you sacrifice
the men who truly want to resist. When that happened, when McGeorge
Bundy stopped the air cover of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended
that resistance to Castro and it enthroned him into power. And, of
course, it was meant to be by the Jesuits because they HAD trained
him. So now Kennedy looks bad. He’s got egg all over his face. What
does he want to do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and takes all of the power away from the CIA, and gives it
to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the founders of
the CIA was “Wild” Bill Donovan, an Irish Roman Catholic, who are
the most fanatical, and his brother was a Dominican priest, Vincent.
So, the CIA was founded by this high Roman Catholic, the first head,
to solidify the Catholic or the Vatican control of it.
I’m not against the Catholic people; I’m against Rome’s hierarchy.
The American Catholic people know NOTHING of what’s going on. And if
they did, there would be a march on St. Patrick’s tomorrow morning.
So, as I’m against the hierarchy, I’m showing that Kennedy was
against the Vietnam War, and he was going to do away with the CIA.
Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top
Nazi SS soldiers
into the CIA because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill the Jews
in Europe. When the Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits
followed with the SS and purged Western Russia of all its Jews.
That’s why Stalin deliberately killed 40,000 of his best officers.
That’s why he kicked out his best generals, purged them, because he
wanted to make sure that the Red Army would lose with the advance of
the German army, because following that would come the SS and purge
Russia of the Jews that Stalin so hated. And by the way, justice is
often poetic because Stalin’s daughter married a Jew.
Now, the CIA was composed of
the SS. The CIA now was an arm - and the
intelligence arm - of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta were
throughout. Casey was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight of
Malta. The Knights were through and through. Angleton manned the
“Vatican desk”, and that is a desk within the CIA that has a direct
link to the Vatican.
So, Kennedy wanted to end this “intelligence community”. That was
the end of him.
Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to end the
Vietnam War, and also because he attacked the Jesuits’
Reserve Bank by printing United States Notes, they got rid of him.
They killed our only Roman Catholic president.
And it’s another piece of poetic justice that a Roman Catholic
Protestants, like Harry Truman, FDR, and others - it’s a Roman
Catholic who truly sought to resist the temporal power of the Pope
in this country. And in many ways, even though Kennedy was, in fact,
a socialist and communist, at least he resisted the temporal power
of the Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember his
But what have they done to his name? They’ve slammed it. They drag
it into the dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they parade before
you his womanizing, which I don’t deny, but my goodness, can’t we
give him some credit where credit is due? That’s why they got rid of
John F. Kennedy.
And then, of course, as soon as he’s assassinated,
John McCone, the
head of the CIA, the following day goes to the White House and they
reverse Kennedy’s Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and make a
full-scale, carte blanche war.
The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a
CIA war. And there they tried all of their new technology, their
anti-gravity machines, their men who they’re trying to make like the
“million-dollar man”. They tried out all their new technology in
Vietnam. It was a great experimental theater, and Kennedy knew this.
He knew it, and he knew that the American people had no idea what
was going down, and he still tried to resist it, against his
Because his father was the most powerful
of Malta in the Empire.
Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?
Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication,
Kennedy, Jr. wanted to find his father’s real killers, and he had
the power to publish the conclusion. So, they took him out right
away. They would not allow that to happen.
Martin: Why haven’t you been taken out?
Phelps: Because I am immortal - until the Lord is done with me. I am a
Calvinist and a Baptist, and we believe in the sovereignty of God.
And as long as we are operating in His Will, they cannot touch us,
regardless of their power.
Martin: Which is why we’re having this conversation.
Phelps: Which is why we’re having the conversation. Don’t think for
one moment they’re not tapping this phone. They know this. The issue
is here. We’re talking about a providential, sovereign God who
wishes to move, using second causes, men, just as the Devil does.
The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it’s one group of men
vs. another group of men, and one path leads to evil, and the true,
almighty God leads to goodness.
The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to believe
God anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It’s just a
handful of us who say: “Well, we’re going to do His Will; we’re
going to trust Him in His Power.”
And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the fiery
furnace of Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us. We’re
going to tell the truth!
Martin: Let’s see here. I can throw away a lot of these questions.
So much of it seems, in a way, irrelevant to our current times
because there’s so much going on now. But, good grief ! I was just
stunned to read in your book of all the historical things that have
happened as a result of these evil people. You dedicated the book to
four Roman Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles Chiniquy, Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and
Alberto Rivera. Why them?
Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they left the
priesthood and told the truth about what was really happening. And
all four of them, except one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with
their life. Chiniquy was the great exposer of the Jesuit
assassination of President Lincoln, when he wrote his masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome in 1886. He proves that
was assassinated by the Jesuits, and that it was covered-up by our
government at the time.
Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came here
and, seeing the corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that it
was so corrupt, he left it and exposed it. And, of course, he later
came to Christ and became a Bible-believer, which they would call a
Protestant. Protestants today don’t believe the Bible. Protestantism
of today is an empty shell, it’s nothing. But, back then, in 1912,
they believed the Bible.
Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he
exposed, that helped me with this, was that he warned that the
Jesuits, with their Knights of Columbus - which, he says, the Knights
of Columbus, named after Columbus, who he tells us was a Spanish Jew
and a pirate and a deflowerer of young girls - that Columbus was no
He has a tremendous section in his book on
Columbus. That the
purpose of the Knights of Columbus was to fulfill Jesuitical
politics, and part of those politics was to restore the temporal
power of the Pope because, you remember, the Pope had lost that in
1870 and they wanted to get it back. And they got it back with
Mussolini in 1929.
Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that Taft and
Teddy Roosevelt were all cow-towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of
New York. And he said they’re going to use our military to restore
the Pope’s temporal power around the world.
And THAT was absolutely correct. That IS American foreign policy.
And the Council of Trent is the American foreign policy of today.
That’s what’s going on in Serbia and Bosnia. It’s the Council of
Trent - the Jesuits using the American Air Force to bomb those
orthodox people to smithereens. But, that was Crowley’s great
Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The People’s
Padre; he wrote Crime And Immorality In The Catholic Church, showing
that Catholic nations are more lawless and more criminal than
Protestant nations, and he proved it with statistics from the jails.
Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called
Of Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln was
assassinated by the Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the
Catholic Church. To my knowledge, he never was born again. He never
was saved, but he did tell the truth. He married a nun, and lived a
virtuous and honorable life after he left.
The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly hated
by the Vatican because he was a very high Jesuit who came out and,
in the late ’60s, about 1969, exposed the power of Rome in the
ecumenical movement, that Rome controlled Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome
controlled Billy Graham; that Rome controlled, virtually, our
government - Ronald Reagan.
Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk,
indicating that this country will ultimately have a concordat. So,
Alberto Rivera converted to Christ, wonderfully, and he started a
ministry called The Anti-Christ Information Center, out of Los
They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle up
between his teeth, trying to give him an infection in the brain.
When he passed out, about a year or so later, they couldn’t figure
it out. Everybody was praying for him. And this was discovered when
he went to another dentist. He had it removed.
He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five times to
kill the man, and finally he died, I believe, of cancer, in a
hospital, about three years ago. But these four wonderful, great,
Catholic priests did their best to expose the power of Rome and its
attempts to destroy our sovereign, Protestant, Bible-believing
nation. And so, to them, I dedicate it.
Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What started it for
Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot first and
foremost - America first, and everybody else second. Later, when I
came to know the Lord, at 17, I realized the Bible taught the same
thing - that the Lord had instituted nations. The Lord never
instituted world governments; that’s always the result of the
So, being a patriot and a nationalist
- believing in national
sovereignty - I was saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was
garrisoned in a nuclear weapons area for three years in Germany,
came back and started to go to Bible college.
When I went to Bible college, the issue of the King James came up,
as far as it being an archaic version. And that’s what I used and I
had never given it a thought. Well, some were using NIV, some NASB,
and I thought:
“Well, maybe it’s just a modern version of what I
And I thought:
“Well, if they want to use that, that’s
fine, but I’ll use the King James.”
I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James, the
Textus Receptus, was the Greek text of the Reformation.
represents 95% of the existing manuscripts that we have today. The
Greek text that underlies all these other versions - there’s a
Westcott and Hort Greek text, which I then discovered was really a
conspiracy to adulterate the Textus Receptus in England, led by Brooke Foss Westcott and Anthony Hort, who were Maryolitors,
Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to sit in
on the revision committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a traitor to
the Anglican Church, with his Track 90, which blew-off the Anglican
Church. He then left England and he was then a Cardinal by Pius IX.
So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E.
B. Pusey, had been invited to sit on thisrevision committee, the end
result being a Greek text that had been produced that was
pro-Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate is the basis for
the Jesuit’s Reheims-Douay text, that was put out in 1582, that was
attempting to rival William Tyndale’s English text, which later
became the King James Version of 1611.
So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible college, attempting
to deprive me of the Word of God, the authorized version of 1611, in
it’s present edition of 1769. Now I thought “Well, here the Jesuits
are, what else have they done?” And the next thing I was led to was
the Lincoln assassination.
And I can remember reading Burke
McCarty’s The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham
Lincoln, and weeping in the back room, when I was in college.
Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of your book was
the series of revelations about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.
Phelps: That’s what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not going to go
along with the 14th Amendment. He wanted those Southern states to
re-enter the Union on the same footing that they had left, which
would have left us with a federal Republic as Washington had
established it. This the Jesuits would not allow. It would be
converted into an Empire. The states would be subordinate provinces
to Washington. And the 14th Amendment would accomplish this with the
reversion of citizenship. And Lincoln was re-elected, and he was
ready to end this, and that’s why they killed him. Kennedy was ready
to implement his things; they would not let him be re-elected.
Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across The
Phelps: The Jefferson Bible - and maybe you know this
- is Matthew,
Mark, and Luke. And Thomas Jefferson, being the Deist, being the
pagan that he was, cut out all the supernatural from those three
gospels. Jefferson was a Deist; he was involved with the French
Freemasons who were involved in the French Revolution, and he was
not here at the writing of our Protestant Constitution.
So, the Lord
put him out of the picture. Jefferson was just used to help with the
Revolution - because the Lord does use the unGodly for good things.
But Jefferson copied much of the Declaration Of Independence from
the Mechlenburg Declaration, written by Calvinistic Presbyterians of
North Carolina, when they seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg
seceded from the Colonies.
Martin: Never heard of it.
Phelps: Yes, you’ll find it in Presbyterian writings. You can find
it from D. James Kennedy; he has a thing on it. And Jefferson
copied, at the end: “...and to this end we devote our lives, our
fortunes, and our sacred honor.”
That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration. Jefferson
was a plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he was out of here at
the time of the writing of our Constitution. And the reason why the
people of Virginia did elect him to office was because he was a
State’s Rights man. He wanted limited powers in Washington, and that
was a good thing.
And when Jefferson was elected, he undid
everything the king-president John Adams did, with his Alien &
Sedition Laws, because John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson
undid it, and Jefferson got two terms for that.