What about the Philadelphia Experiment as related to aliens?
The Philadelphia Experiment was not an alien operation,
as such, but what was the set-up was the date, August 12, 1943,
because it had to be locked to the Phoenix project on
August 12, 1983. The date was set by alien influence in order to
cause a 40-year hole in hyperspace through which large numbers of
alien craft could enter this dimension. It worked, but it didn't
last long enough to give the aliens the maximum benefit of the
scenario. The order for the date came from a man in the White House
who was directing certain aspects of the project.
This man was
one of the K-group and headed what was
called the Psi-corp. It was an alien intervention.
This was scheduled to be a main invasion from a different universe.
How about other types of aliens that were involved?
Most of the other alien groups around, including the ones that had
their shipped sucked into hyperspace, were observers of what was
going on, not participants. Beyond the obvious fact that they were
observing for themselves, there is insufficient data to determine
whether they were observing for anyone else.
What about the alien ship, again, that was trapped underground at
I was part of the group that dismantled it. What is involved is that
you have to find out how everything goes together. You have to read
their manuals... there were seven occupants of that ship; four of
them would not talk to us. Eventually, three of them did, and we
learned their language and deciphered their manuals about the
construction and maintenance of the ship...
They weren't Greys?
No. They were about 6 foot 5 inches tall. They were essentially human
in appearance. They had dark leathery skin. They had no hair. Where
they came from we were not sure. We don't even know why they were
there, except perhaps to observe the test on August 12, 1943. When
the ship appeared in 1983 underground, we were initially concerned
as to whether this ship represented some sort of "point man" for an
invasion of some kind.
Was there any weaponry aboard that craft?
Not that I remember. The ship had a lot of strange devices on it. We
took a lot of stuff apart. We took off part of the control panels,
and communications equipment. We decided not to touch the main power
plant because we thought it might blow up if we fooled with it. We
left the food processing units intact. The ships drive systems were
removed. A lot of the ship was stripped down right to the shell. It
was left that way.
Why would they suspect an invasion?
I don't know, except that there have been so many groups over the
years trying to invade this planet. One wonders why they want to
bother with this mud ball and its backward technology.
John Lear suggests that the human race represents a gene pool.
That is one good possibility. Another one, and I get this from sources
I can't reveal at this moment, is that they are seeking certain rare
earth elements they apparently can't find elsewhere.
Robert Lazar mentioned a book that contained the history of
earth and that it said that humans were referred to as ..containers
for souls" and that souls could be traded in something like a barter
The aliens are doing it all the time.
They're trading in souls?
Yes. They were shuffling us around like we were cattle to them.
Property. What do you think of that concept as applied to humans?
Well, it is mentioned that several races consider humans in some ways
similar to that. Whether it is the bodies or the souls that are
considered property, I don't know. It appears that they are
concerned more with the bodies, the genetics, and the capabilities
of the human mind. The capabilities of the human mind are
virtually unlimited. That fascinates some species.
Those aliens that were on that ship. What became of them?
Out of the seven, four did not talk and three did talk to us. One of
the group that did not talk to us was evidently the captain of the
ship. He eventually killed the three that did talk to us. The four
remaining aliens were put into "deep freeze" by the people who were
running the underground at Montauk. I have no idea
what they did with the other three bodies.
What happened to the craft?
It's still there, as far as I know. It was a gold colored saucer about
sixty feet in diameter. It had a bulge on both the top and bottom.
In one of Linda Moulton Howe's books they had pictures of types of
alien writing. Were you ever able to determine the language they
The language they were using was apparently that of the Greys.
symbol that the Greys use a lot is the same symbol that
the Trilateral Commission uses.
How big is the underground at Montauk?
It's very large. It extends for miles, especially the 5th and 6th
levels. Almost all of it was constructed in the late 1920's or early
1930's. We talked to one of the men who was one of the contractors
who built it. It was built on government orders right after the
depression started. It was built in six levels. They covered the top
over with earth. It's known locally as "the hill". Its a huge base.
There may still be some use of it. Most of it is shut down. The
power has been on for two years now, single phase 220 volt. The
elevator used ran on three-phase 440 volts, and that has not been
turned on, probably because they plugged all main openings and the
elevator shaft with concrete.
How many different species of aliens are you aware of?
Well, the Greys were not part of Montauk.
By agreement they never went there. There were groups that were part
of it, like a group who called themselves the Leverons.
There were those there from Antares that were only observers. They looked like humans.
There were members of the
Orion group there occasionally. The K-group
had some connection with the place, but I personally never saw any
of them there. Lastly, there were the inhabitants of that ship that
was captured. The Orion Confederation includes a lot
of groups, including the Leverons.
The Orion group is supposedly at war with a group called the
Elohim. Would you say that is accurate?
Yes. This is happening. The Elohim group is a very old
race, perhaps the oldest in the universe. At least its the oldest we
Is there any particular species that has the greatest control over
The Orion group. They're the weasels in the background
that manipulate everybody, including the Greys. The
Orion group includes the various reptilian species.
Was the zero-time generator from alien sources?
No. Tesla created the zero-time generator in the 1920's. It
provided a very basic time reference which is actually locked to the center of our galaxy. That's why they call it a
time generator. Locking equipment to that is the only way
you can get some of these higher function generators to work.
The aliens use crystals quite a bit.
Yes. Crystals can store and modulate enormous amounts
of energy. There was a crystal in the alien ship that ended up
at Montauk that was about 18 inches long. Other
factions of the alien group appeared in one of the side tunnels off
the main time tunnel and captured several of us, and wouldn't let us
go unless one of us went back and got that crystal for them. We did.
The problem was is that we were in the time tunnel too long, because
the time references the man I was with dissolved, and he began to
age at the rate of about a day per hour. Within three days he was
What are some of the ways the government became involved in time
The Navy had the ability to use the time travel technology from about
1970 and developed full operational capability in 1973. They did do
an experiment where they tried to go back and kill the father of the
man destined to be the head of the new One-World Government.
They did kill his father, but it made no difference. They didn't
understand why it didn't work. Robert Lazar was voicing the
concept that time is quantitized or compartmentalized and that you
can't change what has already happened in terms of the past.
Is the Navy tied in with the secret government?
Small elements in the Navy are, but the Navy in general is not.
So in the 1970's they were against what was going on and tried ways
to stop it?
Yes. At Montauk we did succeed in changing the past,
so I know it can be done, but it takes enormous amounts of power and
more than just a time machine, but I won't get into that.
So the person who will be the head of the One World Government is
walking around and has no father?
Theoretically that is true.
How could this guy have come into existence?
That's a very good question. That's another one of the paradoxes of
Was this person already in existence before they went back and
killed his father?
Yes. They assumed that he would disappear and cease to exist.
Do you know who this individual is?
No. Not by name.
Is the One World government interested in longevity? It seems like
all these plans are on a long term basis. It would also seem like it
would take too long before those in control could really reap the
When you get to the level of the warped mentality of the world leaders
that are controlled by the Orion group, you don't
really know what their goals are. They are totally dependent on a
specific technology, including time machines which are anchored in
the 40 years time rift plus the extensions in the time matrix which
goes another 20 years. Time machines are based in the technology
that had its origin here within that time period, and from what I
understand as of 2003 they will suddenly find that their time
machines no longer function.
Because they were created on the basis of something which was
basically artificial - the rift in time. The function is based on
the rift. Then its back to the drawing boards.
Have they constructed any concrete plans based on the rift that
might disappear when the rift does?
I don't know. I can't speak for the whole government.
Are any Orion based timetables involved in this?
the Orions have their own ways of doing things.
Would they be dependent on this rift?
No, but the Greys are somewhat dependent on it, having
used it to get here in large numbers. The Orion group
itself is not here in a large number.
They let others do the dirty work for them?
Do you get any particular feeling what things are like within the
secret government with respect to the groups of aliens?
Well, they were panic stricken to get rid of the Greys.
I don't know if they're that panic stricken any more, because I
understand that the Orions are essentially gone,
except for the mop-up squad, which have their own life support
The general life support for the others was destroyed by another alien
group in November 1990. They could not exist here without electronic
support from the ring of satellites they put up there ages ago.
Almost all of them packed up and left.
What is the nature of the electronic support?
They cannot stand the vibrations of this planet. The Greys
like it because this planet is very much like their own home planet.
How would all this relate to the idea that their is a planetoid
coming into this system with a bunch of reptilians on it. Would they
bring their own electronic life support systems?
Yes. They can replace the satellites. They may well be back before
How do you view that scenario, where the planetoid full of Orion
reptilians, or Draco, is coming here?
Well, we monitored the signals coming from the planetoid. They were
coming in at around 25MHZ with twelve carriers spaced 50KHz apart.
Orion group reptilians have twelve chakras, maybe that
has something to do with it.
Then this could be the part of the electronic signal that might
even be representative of their electronic life sustenance matrix?
It might well be necessary to set up transmitters of our own that
would interfere with that kind of electromagnetic emanation.
How about the Orion genetics?
It's very similar to that of humans. For a long time they were hoping
to crossbreed. It didn't work properly. That was one of the side
issues of the Montauk-Phoenix project, to find ways of
crossbreeding. They never did fully solve the problems.
So this is where the concept of twelfth density would come in?
Yes. Probably. What they were hoping to do if they succeeded in
crossbreeding humans and Orions was a silent invasion
where they would take over humanity by crossbreeding and eliminate
the humans they didn't want. At that point, Orion souls
would move into the crossbred bodies and it would be complete. They
would not need electronic support systems to survive here, which
consists of 12 satellites.
So how does this affect the world government plans, now that the
Orion group is temporarily gone?
It changes the context of the system that backed up the One-World government. They were backed up by and expected
support from the
Orion group. With the Orions out of the picture, they
are on their own.
How about the Greys?
They're running around in circles. They are probably continuing with
the genetic work and the abductions but they are lacking all
direction except that which they already had established.
There was a recent abduction of woman in Seattle on December 3,
1990 where there were beings that looked human. They told them,
however, that they weren't really human and allowed them to see
their true form. It was a variant reptilian species they had never
seen before. They asked the abductees questions about their
experiences with the Greys. The woman got the impression that the
reptilian humanoids thought that the Greys were going to far in
their interactions with humans and that they were looking into it.
No data on that one.
Well, since they were looking into Grey excesses in behavior, they
probably were an offshoot group and not anything to do with the
They probably were an offshoot group. I have gotten the impression
that not all the Orion Confederation is evil. There is
a group within the Orion Confederation that function as sort of
overseers and they are apparently quite upset about what these
Greys are doing, but apparently there is not much they have
been able to do about it. The basic heart of the Orion
Confederation that we have become familiar with is totally evil and self-centered.
They basically want to take over the Earth?
Yes. They want to take Earth because of their desire for the planet as
a staging base. They also desire the water and the minerals. There
have only been partial success of their cross breeding program. A
few hybrids have survived. They essentially look human but have
Orion genetics within them.
What's going on in Washington right now?
They are up to their eyeballs in problems. They consider the thing
with Hussein in the Middle East as the least of their
What are they concerned with?
They are concerned with AIDS and other, disease problems
which are coming to earth from space. There are currently two
huge clouds of amoeba-like creatures over the polar regions of the
earth. These have shown up periodically over the last ten years.
NASA is working on this. Every time they've been detected,
all kinds of strange illnesses break out. They don't how they can
stay alive and be in outer space. They're very concerned about that.
The AIDS situation is so far advanced that it is
considered to be a disaster.
How do you bounce that against the fact that AIDS was created at
Fort Detrick, Maryland? Are the aliens ultimately behind that as
I don't know. It's very possible. It originated on the orders of the World Health Organization. I suppose you have to go back
and see who was responsible for this diabolical plan within WHO to create a virus that would destroy the human immune
system. They found out that once it was released that it mutated
like crazy and there is no way to produce a vaccine for it. The
government does have a way to cure it, but they do that on a pretty
selective basis. The cure involves electromagnetic. There are
also other means that have been discovered, but the government
doesn't want the outside world to have it. Its part of the
population reduction program.
Which is whose idea?
Apparently it was a decision reached by the secret government. The
final decision was made in the White House in 1972 on the basis of a
meeting of world leaders under Nixon. A friend of mine got
the notes from that. He's now in prison, and he talked about it
publicly in 1974. He said that they had the meeting and agreed that
the planet was overpopulated and that it had to be reduced. The
decision was to reduce the population from 5 billion, which it was
at that time, to 1 billion by the year 2000. They were to use
any and all means to do this. They believed that the earth could
only handle 1 billion inhabitants. Their problem was how to
exterminate 80% of the world population in 30 years. They modified
the figure to be 2 billion by 2000, but the AIDS thing
is going to take care of a good part of that for them. The latest
figures coming out of Washington indicate that Africa is now as good
as doomed. In another ten years, 75% of Africa will be dead.
There have been recent figures to suggest that 92% of all babies
born in Africa today have the virus.
Yes. In India, the rate is 51%.
It seems extremely irresponsible for a government to create
something that can take people and do that to them.
Well, it was the "undesirables" that were given the virus first.
They should have known that this thing was going to get out of
They didn't know that was going to happen. It was also figured that it
would affect the young set, those in their prime, most.
If they travel in time and know that geophysical changes will take
care of a large part of the world's population, why would they
bother to do it? Especially because you have a bunch of 50 year old
men having to wait 30 years.
I don't know. Obviously they didn't think.
Or it wasn't them who were ultimately responsible. The only ones who
would have a long term anything to gain would be aliens, so it
further indicates that ultimately there are negative off-planet
forces that are responsible. The aliens know about the changes.
How did they spread the virus initially?
World Health Organization inoculations that were
contaminated with the virus. The first program was in black Africa
in 1974 with the smallpox inoculations. They then went to Brazil and
other Hispanic countries and did it there. In 1978, they laced the
gamma globulin for the Hepatitis B vaccine because the homosexual
population was the greatest consumer. That's why it showed up first
in the United States in the homosexual population and why it was
claimed to be a homosexual disease. Nothing could be further
from the truth, but it was something the Evangelists
took up quickly, saying that AIDS was "Gods curse on the
homosexual". People didn't worry about it who weren't gay. The
people who planned this didn't figure on the ability of the virus to
It must taken someone with a really stupid mentality to do this.
What kind of disturbances have appeared with each appearance of
these amoeba-like clouds?
Respiratory disturbances. It's been detected in the New York area and
on the west coast. Details are scant, but they consider it a major
problem. It affects the human system directly. It is also the
mechanism behind the influenza attacks in 1916 and 1917 that killed
so many people.
It is possible that the ozone layer was deliberately affected in
order to allow this influence to come through?
I don't know. The greenhouse affect is taking hold because of it.
Is there any particular alien species whom it would benefit if the
earth dried up and became desert?
Yes. The reptilians species might be good candidates.
Where do the Greys come from originally?
From outside our time/space continuum. The government does not
fully understand where that is, since they don't trust a lot of
their information about them.
Do the Pleiadeans use the gravity amplifier to fold time and space?
No. They have a hyperspacial drive system. They don't do it in the
same way. They use velocity rather than folding.
Aren't they beneficial to humans?
They have not been invited to help. They are also sensitive to earth
politics, galactic directives, and their own policies. It comes down
to the fact where you don't interfere when you're not asked.
Even when you are asked, there are limits to what you can do.
Can they be asked?
Well, in the case where you would have interference on a mass basis,
like in response to the Orion incursion, you're
getting involved with the history of all humanity. We'll have to
I would think that the only hope would be to collectively raise the
consciousness of the entire planet.
Right. There are also other problems. The government worked out a deal
with the Greys some time ago and has some of their
technology. Weapons have been developed. They now have a missile
that has a minimum operational range of 1 light year. We can hit any
spacecraft well beyond the solar system.
I saw a brief on the news where the Star Wars technology is being
turned around in space to hit down asteroids. Will they in fact be
used primarily as a planetary defense against alien incursion?
Yes. The directives out of Washington seem to point to the fact that
the secret government wants no aliens here at all interfering with
their plans. They have not solved the problem with the Greys.
How do aliens refer to religious concepts?
As far as I know,
none of them have any religion as such. They
acknowledge a divine source in the universe. The Greys
refer to the universe as a mind.
What is your prognosis for the future of the human species?
It will survive.
Why was it mentioned at one time that 2011 was the last year that
they could see anything tangible?
It was mentioned in the Mayan calendar that 2011-2013
was a barrier of some kind. Psychics have said that there is a
"barrier" around 2013 that they can't go through.
That doesn't mean there is nothing beyond that.
No. It's just blocked from view. Even to the time machines. There are
a lot of people wondering whether they are going to retain control
over humanity beyond 2013.
There seems to be a quickening of consciousness right now as we are
beginning to go into fourth density.
Right. There seems to be some evidence of this.
Do you know where the current entrances to Montauk are?
No, but I know they're there. The last time two people went out there
to look they were abducted. They were knocked out electronically and
taken underground to another facility where mental adjustments were
made on them. They were returned to the spot, but one of them was
not returned exactly at the same time as the other. There was about
a 2 second gap and the one that was already there saw it. They knew
immediately that something was wrong. They were given a warning. The
underground system is still in operation. There are three entrances
near AIL. They have three plants in the Farmingdale
area. Brookhaven National Laboratories have an entrance to the
system. There is also a connection to the Newark ITT
Corporation building. From there a spur that goes to the ITT
facility at Nutley. There is also a tunnel that goes from Newark to
Wright Patterson AFB.
Do they use Maglev trains in this tunnels?
Yes. There is a very extensive tunnel network under the United
States. The interesting things is that once you get past the
coding system at the entrance elevators and get into the
underground, nobody asks any questions. They assume you are supposed
to be there, unless you make it obvious that you are not by your
actions or appearance.
Why do humans age?
There are two genes missing from the human chromosome. One of them
controls the aging process, so humans age. Because of this, when
cells are duplicated in the body they are compared to the parent
cell, not a master pattern that would exist in the genes, so the
duplicate is not exactly the same is time. So humans age gradually.
There has been some discussion of the biorhythm cycles of the
planet. Could you explain that again?
The cycles of humans are well known. It was not known until after 1983
after Montauk went down that the earth has cycles. It
was discovered by accident. After an analysis, it came out that
there were four basic cycles involved. These four cycles reach their
maximum peak every 20 years. It's always on the 12th of August.
So the next peak will be in 2003?
Do the biorhythm cycles of humans and those of the planet
It is not known to interlock.
Have you seen the movie Millennium? What can you say about the
concepts portrayed there?
Yes. It was well done. It was an attempt to explain some
disappearances. It's an intriguing idea. Strangely enough, they
didn't cover something that really happened in Denver around 1965. A
jet was coming in on final approach in daylight with no bad weather
and vanished entirely from the radar screen. It was never found. No
trace. Years later, in Tucson, I met the son of a man who was vice
president of United Airlines. I asked him about it. He said, "how
did you hear about that?". I said I read it in the newspapers and
then it was hushed up. He said, .. "you better believe it was". I
asked him if anyone knew what happened to it, and he said that they
had no idea. There was no wreckage, nothing. There is no way it
could have happened like that.- but it did. The ideas in Millennium
were more along the line of something they would have developed in
the Phoenix project.
Are there any tunnels under the Pyramids?
There is a tunnel under Giza. No one knows when it was
constructed or how.
How about spacecraft or anything else like that?
An expedition was mounted as a result of data gathered back in the
1920's and 1930's about a secret chamber under the pyramid.
They built equipment in later years and went in down into the
pyramid and found this metal door 500 feet below the base of the
pyramid. They found other doors. The doors used a sonic code. They
found a room with over 30,000 recording disks and alien equipment.
They made photos of the disks with IR film. The Egyptian government
wouldn't allow them to take any out. The disks were deciphered. They
described the rise and fall of civilizations in outer space going
back more than 100,000 years. This group built this record room and
then built the pyramid over it. There was no UFO, but a lot of
equipment was stored on three levels. They photographed over 2,700
record disks. According to an Air Force contact, these disks are
sitting in a safe at Kirtland AFB in New Mexico. They don't want the
public to know the information.
How is the government involved in cattle mutilations?
Human scientists are involved with longevity studies using adrenalin.
They have developed altered adrenalin, and drugs called cordrazine,
cortropinex, formazine, and hyronalix. All of them have an adrenalin
base. The only way to get the large quantities of adrenalin is to
get them from cattle. Some of the substances they develop affect
psychic development. Other drugs have physical restoration
properties. Aliens use cattle for the biological materials as well.
They use the materials in their breeding program and for the
construction of cloned individuals.
Do you know when the Federal Reserve is going to issue the new
I don't know. There have been several dates that have come and gone.
When they do, all the current cash will be worthless.
The plan is to give a short notice date by which people will have to
turn in their old money for new. Of course, you will have to account
for it, especially since it is now illegal for you to have $3,000 or
more on your person. It's coming.
Would you consider the secret government the Fourth Reich?
It's hard to say. My understanding of it is that the secret government
is not connected with the Nazis but with world bankers,
old money and what's called the "black nobility".
These were the blue-bloods of Europe. They actually did have blue
blood, and it was not hemoglobin based but copper based. They were
semi-human. There are still to this day, some animal species in
South America that have copper based blood systems. There was a
problem with hemophilia, and not because of intermarrying. The
problem was that they started to marry outside of the copper
based blood system. Hemoglobin and copper systems don't mix.
That's where the laws against marrying commoners originated.
What about these synthetic humans?
Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake
City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a
series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were
interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original
human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took
14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a
two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for
obvious reasons. CIA
sources have confirmed that it started at the University of
The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in
the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon.
They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have
stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics
or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate
them faster now. They have clones of all the major government
figures. This is partly for security reasons. it also creates the
situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the
person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens
with some frequency.
There have been allegations by some that Carter and Reagan were
Yes. I've heard that, but I have no information that says that it
happened. Reagan looked a bit funny after his assassination
attempt, particularly after he came out of the hospital.
It's curious about the cloning facility in Portland. Were there not
reports in the 1960's or 70's about people seeing a spitting image
of Hitler there?
Yes. it is curious. There isn't any connection that we can establish,
but anything is possible. Hitler could have died as late
as 1984. I have heard rumors that he was the top director of the
Phoenix project, but those rumors were not considered to
have any merit by most people.
Eichmann was apparently involved at one point until the
Israelis got him. A lot of top level Nazi scientists were involved.
There was a man called Huntermann who was the associate
director of the project. We wondered if there was anybody above him.
There was - a complete collection of pure Nazis at the top. The
Germans were also involved in work with the Greys and
Are they Nazis still running things?
I don't know what interconnections they may have today. I have two
friends who say opposite things. One says that the Nazis are in
charge and the other says that Jewish scientists are in charge.
Other people say its
MJ-12. Take your pick.
I think that they're
That's very interesting about the duality of the Germans
Jews. Recently, we received information that these
two groups of entities are originally from one source out there
somewhere, and that they were banned to this planet to work out
their differences. They have apparently always sought to destroy
each other ... and they are still doing it on many levels. Everyone
else just has to stand by and put up with it, I guess. It just adds
to the mess. Orientation of both groups appears to be negatively
oriented toward service to self instead of others. There have been
things recently said by abductees that indicate that they were taken
to joint Nazi-Alien bases were they had swastikas on
the walls. This was within the last two years.
Do you remember the
Reinhold-Schmidt story? He was a
businessman who lived in New Jersey in the 1950's. I finally got a
copy of his book. He insisted that one time when he was driving home
from work, something went wrong with his car. He was approached by
someone and was taken aboard a saucer. All the occupants were
dressed in black clothing and talked in German. To him it appeared
like they might be Nazis. He wasn't sure but he thought they were.
They picked him up by agreement several times thereafter. He began
talking about it and he had a visit from government agents who told
him to shut up. He insisted. He was picked up and put into treatment
in a mental hospital for about four months. When he came out he was
a changed man. He died sometime later. Up until he went into the
mental hospital, he was insistent on his story. This was
approximately 1956. I'm not sure. He was a prominent businessman. It
was a sensational story at the time.
It's interesting that you should mention copper based blood before.
Aren't the Nordics involved with that?
Yes. Although Nordics are humanoid and externally almost
identical to humans. There are subtle differences in the Nordic
alien physiology, and most of them are based on the living
conditions that they have grown up in. Their planets are extremely
hot and dry, and have a low oxygen content in the atmosphere. They
have a larger lung capacity than humans and have a
copper based blood in order to carry oxygen more
efficiently. The eyes are protected by inner lids and can allow them
to see into the ultraviolet range of the spectrum. They have only 28
teeth, as they lack a back pair of molars. Their heads are longer
than humans. The brain case is about .2 mm thicker and the bone is
harder. The brain is the same as the human brain as far as structure
and size is concerned, except for the midbrain area,
where there are functions that allow telepathic and telekinetic
skills. It explains the psionic powers of the Nordics.
They average about 2 meters in height. Females about 1.7 meters. They
have no sweat glands. The skin allows moisture to be drawn from the
air as well as moisture to penetrate. The heart beats at around 242
beats per minute, and the average blood pressure is 80 systolic and
40 diastolic. They have extremely dilated blood vessels. The heart
is located where the human liver would be. The cartilage that would
protect a human heart extends down 3.5cm further in the Nordic
in order to protect this structure. Blood cells are biconvex in
contrast to the concave cells of humans. Kidney type functions only
allow about half the liquid consumed to be excreted. The rest is
evidently put back into the system. Urine is thick with minerals and
appears in color and texture to freshly pumped crude oil. Feces are
dry pellets with all moisture removed. The adult
Nordic can regulate the amount of adrenalin in their
body. They have no pineal gland. Nordic females are
capable of being impregnated at any time, but the males are capable
of impregnation about once a year. The period of incubation is three
to five months.
What about the Sirians?
Well, we are finding out that they are seemingly involved in the
Dark Side activities with abductees along with the
Greys and elements of the US military and intelligence
forces. We are finding out that Reich
programming is currently being used as of December 1990 on abductees.
This is a direct outgrowth of work at Montauk. The Sirians are usually described as about 6 feet tall,
blond hair cut very short, and blue eyes that have a cat's eye
vertical pupil. They're negatively oriented. I have been
working on a case where this 21 year old woman has had contact with
them, the last time being in December 1990. The beings present were
the short little helpers that the Greys use; the ones
that wear hooded cloaks.
There were Grey clones,
Sirians and US military personnel of some description.
The woman had her breasts and other body parts hooked up to some
machine that maintained her in a pre-orgastic state while they used
inculcation bars with red and blue lights to aid in the programming.
When she does something they don't like, they take her out of her
body and stick her in this black box, where there is terrible
loneliness and isolation.
She really broke down when she was
describing that, saying that she didn't want them to put her back in
the box. They evidently told her that if she talked too much they
were going to do that. On the lighter side, she has also had contact
with positive groups. There has been some discussion as to whether
these negative Sirians are part of the
Kamagol II group that built the records chamber
under Giza, but that has not been established. The negative Sirians are considered part of the
group that is playing the domination/control game.
Is there some significance to the red and blue lights in the
The lights on the bar are of special frequencies. Pulsing of these
lights is often combined with sonic patterns to virtually reprogram
the mind of the individual. This kind of activity has been going on
for tens of thousands of years. Why do you think that the Orion based groups that control today's society use red and
blue on police car lights? Its very restimulative and many people
have buried memories of programming sessions that have occurred
through their various lives. The result is fear and negative
emotional response. It appears that during the last 40 years there
have been a lot of people that have been incarnating that were on
one side or the other in Nazi Germany, and we are finding a lot
of abductees that have memories of the Greys
during that period. Sometimes they find that they are dealing with the
same exact beings they dealt with in another lifetime. Of course, we
know that abductions also follow multi-generational patterns. It all
There have been some that have said that Hitler was connected into
things in terms of the Aryan race and ET's. What is the story behind
Well, Hitler spend a lot of time in libraries before his mother
died, and he was convinced that the white race was going to be
squeezed out of existence in another 75 years. He decided that he
was going to be the defender of the Aryan race. This was back before
World War One. He was also relating this to the Protocols of the
Learned Elders of Zion, where in the 24th protocol it says
that the white race will be destroyed by genetic inter-marriage. He
wanted to stop the trend. He became interested in metaphysics.
The Dark Side involvement began after a bout with peyote
before World War One and his involvement with the Thule
Society, which was connected to Aleister Crowley and
Order of the Golden Dawn in England. Hitler also
adopted the idea of fighting the communists, because the communists
were just about ready to take over Germany. There were not Greys around in large numbers but they were there. The
Germans were involved with alien technology. They had one version
with electromagnetic drive.
They had jet
aircraft in 1943.
They had nuclear weapons but
Hitler did not use them. Mind
control research was ongoing.
Getting back to present day, what do you think about the idea that
the Saudi government is being bankrupted by the US?
the Rockefeller group sold the Saudis 30 year
notes back in the 1960's. They are coming due. The Saudis want to
get out of the paperwork nightmare so they won't lose all their
money. The Rockefeller banks were going to declare
bankruptcy, so the Saudis said they would pull all their investments
out of the United States and collapse the economy totally. The
United States backed down and that is the reason why there is all
that forgiveness of debt business going on. It was done with Bushes authority. The Saudis were satisfied. Now the problem
with Iraq arises.
The Israelis have refused to carry out the deals
they have made about leaving the west bank area. Hussein
is saying that if the United States can convince Israel to do that
for the Palestinians, then he will walk out of Kuwait. That will
defuse the entire Middle East situation. January 15th is the
apparent deadline date. There are people in government that are
crazier than Hussein. As of early December 1990, a contract already
Flora Construction company to rebuild Kuwait, so its
going to happen anyway.
Does Iraq have nuclear devices?
I'm not sure. They were stealing trigger devices for quite a while
before the government found out about it and started substituting
non-functional ones. It's believed that they do. The Iraqis are also
said to have devices that had their origin in Nazi Germany, such as
the air-fuel bomb, which will "turn the air to fire" and suffocate
American troops. There is a concern that he will also use chemical
weapons. The United States used chemical weapons in Korea and
Vietnam. If Iraq uses them, the United States will respond with
devastating force. It would be a good time for the secret government
to bring out their disks and impersonate alien species in an attempt
to pacify the planet. When the United States wins the conflict, it
will produce potential problems for years.
It is seen as the only option. They could impose this in a
pseudo-religious way in an attempt to unify religious groups that
are on "holy war" campaigns. Either way, presence of .. "an
apparently benevolent technology" would cause a peaceful
unification. Presence of "an apparent malevolent technology" would
achieve the same thing, but with a negative unification based on
fear. There are again another aspects to the middle east scenarios.
One aspect is that the middle east represents an annoying delay to
the secret government that has been caused by Iraq. This delay could
affect certain types of agenda. Another aspect is that since the US
basically controls the planet, all this is a sham for the public -
to keep humans up tight, in fear, and at each others' throats it
could be reflective of what is ultimately an Orion based
agenda. It is a matter of record that flying disks have been
seen in all wars and conflicts.
How about the Congress? Are they aware of the alien and drug things
that are going on?
Some of them are, but they are turning their heads because they want
to collect their retirement. They're just hoping the government will
be solvent when they get to that point. There is no question that as
we enter 1991, many agendas will accelerate and many hands will be
Are the men in black residents of Earth?
The group is an
off-world one. They monitor conditions
on the planet. They are not physical beings, but they can become
Do the black helicopters have anything to do with the MIB?
No. They are managed by the Army. It is a super secret group
that have bases all over the United States. They have one near
Sedona. They have one in Connecticut and in Newark, New Jersey. The
helicopters have no markings and are used for operations involving
drug smuggling, mutilations and security for alien related
operations and projects. Obviously, it's all illegal as hell, and
they have been getting away with it for 40 years.
What about the subliminal programming that happens with television?
The FCC "ruled" years ago that it was illegal, but it never stopped.
You find it more common on cable TV. There are using subliminal
conditioning on all cable networks. They use it to
emphasize different elements of what you are seeing around you.
People end up being brainwashed and stay ignorant.
What are some of the capabilities they have?
The government has vans that drive around that are capable of complete
mind disruption. They have used it before to kill a man in his house
in fifteen minutes. All it takes is four helicopters flying in
tandem to completely mentally wreck a city if they have those pods
on them. The pods are an outgrowth of the Phoenix project.
They, can produce heavy mood control over a city. They are going
into areas beyond the electromagnetic. They are trying to increase
the stress level in the population. It is no secret that Bechtel was laying cables under major metropolitan areas
several years-ago, claiming that it was being laid for "others" whom
they wouldn't reveal. It had nothing to do with electric, telephone
or cable TV.
What is another possibility as to why the death of the father of
the One World government failed to produce the dematerialization of
the future leader of the One World government?
This seeming paradox can be better explained this way: The people who
went back and tried to kill the father were successful but the son
still lived. This is all related to the Grandfather Paradox.
The truth of the matter is that they prevented the birth of the
leader of the
One World government not in the time stream where the
existing person was born but in a parallel one where he never
existed in the first place. It existed before and after the effort
to kill the father; the parallel time stream also exists where
the Germans overtly won the second world war.
differing but parallel interrelated worlds and universes,
each having an endless number of streams relating to individual
entities. These streams are ultimately expressed as different
patterns and outcomes for the same entity depending on the level of
expression for the entity at any one time. All divergent entities
are part of the one reality which is the all embracing unity. The
varied potential tracks all exist as one unified central force. The
parallel tracks that exist in our universe, depending upon which one
of them is taken, will determine the ultimate outcome for the
individual entity, and this can change.
What is the actual nature and purpose of the Orion group?
Basically, the purpose of the Orion group
enslavement and conquest. Their objective is to locate certain
individuals who vibrate in resonance with their own vibrational
complex and manipulate them. There is a concept called spiritual entropy which apparently causes them to experience
constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. They do
follow the Law of One but observe free will according
to service to self. Those on the enslaved planet then disseminate
the attitudes and philosophy which is service to self.
These individuals become the "elite". Through the elite, the attempt
begins to create a condition whereby the remainder of the planetary
entities are enslaved by their free will.
That seems like what is happening on the planet right now,
especially in the United States.
Why don't they just come down in force instead of using the back
door, as it were?
Well, they could. A mass landing would create a loss of polarization
due to the infringement on the free will of the
planet. If the planet were then conquered and became part of the
Empire, the free will would then be reestablished. The way they are
doing it is characteristic of the Orion group - to
have others do their dirty work for them, including humans. That
way, the abridgement of free will is not so obvious. It
didn't help the situation when agreements were made with different
alien species. It didn't matter that the agreements were made with
groupings of humans that did not represent the wishes of the mass
consciousness. The technical fact of the agreement allowed a lot of
action that was negatively polarized. The Orion group
specifically targets civilizations before they become a social
What does it mean to have a society with a social memory?
Well, a social complex consisting of individual entities becomes a
social memory complex when it adopts one orientation or seeking in a
specific direction. When this happens, the group memory that was
not available to individuals becomes known. The advantage
of a social memory complex is the relative lack of distortion.
What does polarization mean for an individual entity?
Generally, entities can have little or no polarization, positive
polarization or negative polarization. A positively polarized
entity will select a path embodying service to others.
An entity choosing
negative polarization would focus on service to self.
A negative polarization involves the elements of control and
repression. For example, a negatively polarized entity would seek
separation from and control over others by sexual means and have the
idea of power as an end. The negatively oriented entity will program
for maximum separation from and control over all entities which it
perceives as being other than itself.
Are not all humans, for example, expressions of each other?
Well, yes. Entities will eventually realize that their actions on
other selves are actually being done to themselves, since the
consciousness present in each entity is a variation on the same
thing. The individuation is present to allow maximum differentiation
of potentiality and creation.
Many people have been discussing the idea that we are going into
fourth density. What does that mean?
Basically another general vibratory rate. It also relates to
the realization that one is not separate from the creator.
It is that kind of spectrum which has been called by the Christians
as the "second coming". The second coming is a state of being, not
an individual arriving and establishing a power hierarchy.
When will this be completed?
Well, entities on this planet should make the attempt to polarize in
terms of what excites them no later than 1993, or it will be harder
to do so. Polarization can be positive or negative. Generally, the
fourth density is much more full of life. Entities must still care
for their physical vehicles. It is also a density where compassion, understanding and love are more predominant.
Full conversion to fourth density will occur between 2003 and 2013.
Its interesting that according to the mathematics behind the I
Ching, everything goes jackpot around 2012.
Yes. Nothing will be the same on Earth. It is changing right now. What
we are seeing is basically the death of the third density way of
Does density level refer to polarization?
An entity can be negatively polarized and in fourth density, but it is
an intense struggle because of the development of telepathic
functions. If there is a place in which fourth density negative
entities have established a power structure, then there is more use
of the concept of mind control in order to keep the negative
structure from conversion to positive orientation.
What about the upcoming geological changes? How does that relate to
all of this?
The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. The
time/space continuum has put Earth and that star system into that
type of vibration. This causes electromagnetic realignments within
the body of the planet. The energies and collective thought
forms of the population also disturb the energy patterns of
the planet. Geological changes accompany transition between
densities. At this point we are in the last 20 years at the end of a
cycle which has lasted 75,000 years.
Anything more about fourth density?
The majority of the Orion group are of fourth density.
Some are positively oriented toward service to others, but most that
are concerned with the current situation are negatively polarized
and playing the domination game. Entities on Earth following any
religion or no religion at all will move into fourth density if they are that vibration. Entities not at fourth density
vibration will remain at third density vibration and will move to
other locations to continue third density life until their
vibrational level increases and polarizes in time with a cycle of
density movement. The polarization can be positive or negative.
How does the idea of a higher self relate to densities?
In terms of an entity perceiving through as linear time structure, the
higher self exists in sixth density and functions in the entities
"future". One interesting aspect of it is that the entity who is
perceiving the higher self manifestation is actually a thought form
materialized by the "higher self" itself. Entities in
these terms are actually a complex composed of what they perceive to
be "mind", "body", and "spirit". These complexes can occur within
single entities or groups, depending on the specific space/time
conditions. The higher self is that self which exists with full
understanding of the accumulation of experiences of that entity.
one point, the entity perceives a lower self and a higher self. They
are not actually there "simultaneously"; functions of the higher
self interact from a position in development which equates to the
linear "future" of the entity, as perceived by an entity in this
state. Obviously, cultural conditioning encourages
development of impotent states of mind where the "lower self"
is in control and the "higher self" is reached very little or totally ignored. There is no
synthesis that will permit the energy of the intelligent matrix to
How are the cultural states of mind organized? How do they fill the
needs of the Orion group and the Brotherhood?
Well, start with the prime factor of body identification. The society
promotes the concept of "you are your body", which results in fear,
especially fear of "death", which is tied in
with the idea of physical pain. Combine this with religious doctrine
and various cultural ideologies, and you have a very fertile ground
There is also promotion of identification with the
personality and ego. The ego is culturally conditioned to a
reactionary state which is encouraged by media and literature to
focus on the elements of security, sensation and power. Under these
individuals are basically disempowered and blind. In terms of
cultural activity, individuals are put in a position where they
spend most of their time dealing with "self preservation",
"self-gratification", and "self-definition".
These functions are basically
left hemisphere related.
The ego structure often becomes fragmented into "partial selves",
making the problem even worse. What is missing is the love of
truth, life, and the creator that we are
all a part of. The idea is to transform "self-preservation"
into right action, "self-gratification" into right feeling, and
"self-definition" into right thought. This is not probable in the
Orion based culture in which we reside if the missing
elements are not introduced.
What will help to introduce it is the
quickening of the vibrational resonance as we move into the
fourth density, and what we are seeing around us is the
desperation of the negative forces as they grapple for position and
control. The alien agendas are beyond secret government
manipulation, and at this time they are very worried. That
is why the mind control technology has been developed and
implemented - to make sure that they can try and preserve control
over the population.