TIM COLES (TC):
Tell us a bit about your background and how you became
interested in UFOs and nukes.
ROBERT HASTINGS (RH): My interest in the
topic of UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites began in March
1967, when I was a teenager living in Montana.
Although I was
never in the military myself, my father, Senior Master Sergeant
Robert E. Hastings, was stationed at Malmstrom Air Force Base,
where 200 nuclear missiles were deployed in the surrounding
After witnessing a radar tracking of five unknown
aerial craft at the base air traffic control tower, where I
worked as a janitor three nights a week after high school, I
excitedly told my dad about the incident.
He subsequently made
inquiries at his workplace - the main radar facility on base - and was told that five UFOs had indeed been tracked by multiple
radars that night. Moreover, he was told, they had been manoeuvring near nuclear missile sites southeast of Malmstrom.
When my dad later conveyed all of that to me, I was hooked! UFOs
are real?! They're flying around our ICBMs?! Wow!
Years later, in 1973, I read a magazine article by Dr J. Allen
Hynek - the Air Force's civilian, scientific UFO consultant - in
which he openly discussed UFO incursions at nuclear missile
sites at another base, Minot, in North Dakota.
At that point, I
knew that the situation at Malmstrom had definitely been real
and quite serious.
Shortly thereafter, at first to satisfy my
curiosity, I began seeking out and interviewing Air Force
veterans to learn all I could about UFOs' apparent interest in
Over time - 46 years and counting - more than 160 of
those individuals have told me about their personal involvement
in such incidents.
A drawing from a declassified US Air Force report,
made by an
unidentified missile security policeman
at Minot AFB, North
Dakota, relating to a UFO incursion
in August 1966.
TC: Why do you think that UFOs at nuclear weapons sites,
as opposed to say non-nuclear military installations, are so
RH: Nuclear weapons have fundamentally changed the nature of
warfare, given their nearly unbelievable destructive power and
ability to radioactively poison the environment on a planetary
As we all know, during the Cold War the US and the USSR
effectively held humanity hostage with their unending, nuclear sabre-rattling.
The Cuban Missile Crisis, in 1962, demonstrated
just how fragile our collective security really was, and how
quickly a potentially civilisation-ending conflict might erupt.
Apparently, someone else - an outside third party possessing
revolutionary aerial craft - became interested in this
existential situation and, at some point, began intervening in a
limited, covert manner.
Dozens of US Air Force veterans
of whom were initially interviewed by me - have now openly
discussed UFOs tampering with American ICBMs, rendering them
Documents smuggled out of Russia, in
1993, confirm that similar incidents occurred in the Soviet
Union in the 1980s.
So, for whatever reason, the outside third party - which I
believe to be aliens from another world - surreptitiously made
their presence known to the superpowers' military leaders during
a dangerous period in history, perhaps as a heavy hint or a
Nukes pose an unprecedented threat to your species and your
planet. Get rid of them!"
But I am, of
Regardless, the now well-documented UFO
incidents at our ICBM sites are longstanding, widespread and, I
am told by my sources, ongoing.
TC: You say that the UFOs are intelligently operated, but is it
possible that they are unexplained terrestrial phenomena such as
electromagnetic lights or some kind of as-yet undiscovered
lifeform living at high altitudes?
RH: If one reviews the eyewitness reports relating to the
nuclear missile cases, it is immediately apparent that they
involved unknown aerial craft of some kind.
www.ufohastings.com/documents and read the
Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) log entries relating to the
incidents at Malmstrom AFB in November 1975.
[Launch Control Facility] at Harlowton, Montana, observed an
object which emitted a light which illuminated the site
"[Missile Site] L-1 reports that the object to
their northeast seems to be issuing a black object from it,
tubular in shape."
"[Malmstrom Command Post] reports UFO
southeast of Lewistown, orange white disc object."
reported object increased in speed - high velocity, raised in
altitude and now cannot tell the object from stars."
there is this entry,
"From four different points: Observed
objects and fighters; when fighters arrived in the area, the
lights went out; when fighters departed, the lights came back
In other words, as security personnel at four different
locations watched, the UFOs played cat-and-mouse with two F-106
jet fighters that had been launched to chase them, extinguishing
their illumination as the aircraft approached their position and
re-illuminating themselves after the fighters returned to base.
And I might add, the only reason jets were scrambled is because
the UFOs were tracked on the base's radar, just as any
non-Stealth aircraft would be.
This is only one of dozens of
declassified documents that summarize similar incidents at other
bases' missile sites, or at nuclear weapons storage facilities.
So, no, the UFOs themselves are not some undiscovered life form;
the objects look like machines, act like machines, and are
undoubtedly piloted or remotely controlled by someone who, in
this instance, reacted to the attempted intercept of them by US
Air Force fighters by taking evasive actions.
Are the craft terrestrial in origin?
The first known UFO
sightings at a nuclear facility occurred in January 1945, seven
months before the atomic bombings in Japan. Declassified US Army
documents confirm three separate incursions of unknown aircraft,
which were tracked on radar, that hovered over the plutonium
production plant known as the Hanford Site, in Washington State.
US Navy fighters based nearby actually chased the objects.
2009, I interviewed one of the pilots, Bud Clem, who told me
that each UFO looked like,
"a bright ball of fire… so bright that
you could hardly look directly at it."
The unidentified aerial
craft easily outran the propeller-driven F6F Hellcat fighters
sent up to pursue them.
Now, is there any credible evidence that any country on Earth
was flying such an aircraft in 1945? No, there isn't. Despite
the exotic claims one sees on the internet, there is no
verifiable information confirming that the Nazis manufactured a
functional flying saucer.
Nevertheless, someone was operating
one - or, at least, a self-illuminated flying sphere - at the
Hanford plant before the end of the war.
Illustration from the film
'UFOs and Nukes: The Secret Link
Revealed of a UFO'
directing a beam of light onto a Minuteman
near Ellsworth AFB, South Dakota, in 1967,
described by retired US Air Force launch officer
I again maintain that the UFOs seen at nuclear sites - from 1945
to the present day - are technologically superior vehicles being
operated by some third party.
According to the radar data, they
can hover, perform tremendous accelerations, make instantaneous
right-angle turns, and fly thousands of miles per hour.
might possibly be some secret, recently developed,
ultra-sophisticated US aerial craft hidden at Area 51 capable of
doing some or all of those things, but there sure as hell wasn't
any such airplane flying during World War II, or above the ICBM
sites in Montana in the 1960s and '70s.
And remember, we now
know that the Soviets were being subjected to UFO incursions at
their missile sites as well, some involving systems disruptions.
We can't point the finger at the Russians when attempting to
explain the events at Malmstrom. No, those unidentified aerial
craft were clearly not being operated by any government on
So who does that leave us?
TC: What's really impressive about your book UFOs & Nukes is
your reliance on primary documentation: first-hand eyewitness
accounts, military documents, FBI memos, and so on.
But if I
were in government counterintelligence, I would try to
neutralize the anti-nuclear weapons movement by having people
believe that some outside force is looking after us by
How do you check that military and other
documents are not just disinformation?
RH: Respectfully, you misunderstand the situation.
or intelligence group, hidden or not, was actively promoting the
"UFOs are Here to Save Us" narrative by disseminating data that
would further your hypothetical disinformation ploy.
contrary, the documents confirming UFO activity at nuclear
weapons sites were jealously guarded and only forcibly released
to researchers via the Freedom of Information Act. Sometimes,
decades passed before they became available to the public.
Similarly, all of my US military witnesses only went public with
their accounts after I implored them to do so.
Like me, they
believe that Americans - and the rest of humanity - deserve to
know the truth about the UFO reality and their link to nuclear
The suggestion that the US government has been releasing bogus
information to further a false history of events to influence
public opinion in some manner is simply untenable.
over time, the US Air Force has been doing the exact opposite,
steadfastly claiming that UFOs don't exist, even though they are
secretly aware of, and are extremely concerned about, the
The last incident that I've heard about occurred
at a Malmstrom-operated missile site in January 2018, so the
situation is still active.
Importantly, at the present time, we have no assurance that the
disruptive activity at ICBM sites - UFOs tampering with our
missiles - necessarily indicates that whomever is operating the
craft is "looking after us," as you put it.
Other scenarios can
be advanced to explain what has been reported by the veterans
whom I've interviewed.
For example, it's entirely possible that
the UFO beings have some nefarious plan for humans, even an
invasion of Earth, and are investigating whether they can disarm
us before they strike.
I don't think that's even remotely true,
but we can't rule it out at the moment given the limited
evidence in our possession.
TC: Can you tell us more about the 160 eyewitnesses: their rank,
how you approached them or vice versa, and how the famous Press
Club conference in 2010 was arranged?
The 27 September 2010 UFOs and Nukes
press conference in
during which seven USAF veterans discussed
involvement in nuclear weapons-related
RH: My sources are mostly US Air Force veterans, although a
handful were in the Army or Navy, and range from low-level
airmen to colonels.
Usually, they worked with or guarded nuclear
weapons, but some were radar operators, counterintelligence
personnel, or pilots.
In every case, they directly witnessed or
were involved in follow-up activities related to UFO incursions
at ICBM sites, missile warhead or bomb storage facilities,
nuclear materials production sites or weapons test areas.
In the 1970s and 80s, I asked every pertinent military veteran I
encountered if they had any information they would be willing to
From the mid-1990s onward, I've used the internet to
locate potential witnesses who are members of Air Force alumni
groups, who can be contacted via email. In other cases, the
veterans had attended my lectures and approached me afterward or
read one of my articles or my book, and subsequently contacted
Not surprisingly, most of the individuals whom I randomly
approached over the years had no knowledge of UFO incidents at
the bases where they worked.
However, slowly but surely, I
amassed a body of testimony from scores of veterans who knew
about such incidents, occurring from the 1950s onward.
secured their military history record, called a DD214, before
interviewing them, to confirm that they had indeed been missile
officers or missile guards, and so on. In other words, all of my
sources are vetted.
Regarding the 2010 press conference, one of the veterans, former
Minuteman missile launch officer Captain Bob Salas - whose ten
missiles were shut down by a UFO at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 - and
I decided to try to get the media's attention by co-hosting the
CNN streamed it live and a number of major US news
organizations covered it as well, as did several in foreign
countries. I think we succeeded in our efforts to get some
publicity for the UFO-nukes topic.
But, as is the case with most
news stories, it faded quickly and had no lasting impact on
public perceptions, at least to any significant degree.
TC: What is the most extraordinary case discussed in your book?
RH: Another former Air Force missile launch officer, Captain
David Schuur, revealed his involvement in an ICBM-activation
incident at Minot AFB, North Dakota, in 1967.
personnel reported seeing a bright aerial object moving from
missile to missile, among the ten that he controlled.
down in the underground launch capsule, Schuur was horrified to
see that the ICBMs began going into launch mode, one by one,
just as the UFO hovered over a given missile.
He had to flip an "Inhibit Switch" to deactivate the countdown in each one. This
type of incident was also reported by another former launch
officer, Captain Larry Manross, who witnessed an identical event
at Minot on a different occasion.
Moreover, one of the Soviet
UFO-related documents smuggled out of Russia by investigative
George Knapp, in 1993, confirms such an incident
occurring at a missile base in Soviet Ukraine in October 1982.
Still-frames from a motion picture film
of UFOs hovering over
the Manzano Weapons Storage Area,
at Kirtland AFB, New Mexico,
Taken by Dr Paul Bennewitz.
Now, I don't think that those aboard the UFOs were trying to
start World War III by launching the superpowers' ICBMs.
likely they were activating the missiles to see how the systems
worked - assuming that they had the ability to monitor them
remotely - probably knowing that the launch officers could
disrupt the countdowns if they needed to do so in an emergency
Or perhaps the entities merely wished to scare the
hell out of the military in both countries, in effect sending
the message that they could control the ICBMs if they so chose.
But I obviously don't know the reason for the missile
activations and am of course speculating.
TC: Please tell us about your film UFOs and Nukes: The Secret
How did it come about and what is the strongest
evidence in the film?
RH: A wealthy benefactor provided the funding for the film.
Between 2008 and 2015, I had declined offers to participate in
18 different UFO programs on American, British, Canadian and
French television because I would have had no control over how
my material was presented.
When broadcast, I saw that most of
those shows were factually inaccurate and sensationalized, just
as I predicted. I didn't want to lend my work to a dumbed-down
presentation on UFOs meant to entertain the public.
When I mentioned all
of this to my benefactor, he generously gave me the money to
make my own film.
I'm quite happy with the result (watch video
As far as the most important case referenced in the film, I
would say that the
Big Sur incident is unmatched for its
shocking nature and historic significance.
Two former US Air
Force officers, Drs. Bob Jacobs and Florenz Mansmann, say that a
telescopic motion picture camera inadvertently caught a UFO on
film during a missile test launch at Vandenberg AFB, California,
Analysis of the film confirmed that a domed,
disc-shaped craft maneuvered near the missile's dummy nuclear
warhead in flight and then shot it down with weaponized beams of
All of this was clearly visible when the film was
analyzed frame-by-frame with a magnifier.
They say that the
amazing motion picture was quickly confiscated by the CIA.
Debunkers have unsuccessfully attempted to discredit the case by
misstating the facts, but the available evidence substantiates
that the event actually took place.
Apparently, the entities
operating the UFOs can not only tamper with the ICBMs in their
underground silos but can also disrupt them in mid-flight.
is an incredible revelation..!
TC: Have you been threatened or intimidated for the work that
If so, what forms have they taken and who do you
think is responsible?
RH: Yes, someone has been trying to intimidate me via my
telephone for years.
Often, when speaking with a military
veteran about his particular UFO incident, shortly after I hang
up I get a second, mysterious call where the person says nothing
but breathes heavily into the phone before hanging up.
that they - whoever "they" are - want me to know they are
keeping an eye on me and know to whom I am talking.
This kind of
harassment has happened dozens of times and has been going on
since 1982. I suspect that the CIA is responsible but can't
Furthermore, emails between a given veteran and
myself often disappear in cyberspace. We later discover, via
follow-up phone calls, that our correspondence to each other
This happens routinely, always involving persons
who witnessed UFO activity at nuclear weapons sites and is
clearly suspicious. I knew that my activities would incur the
displeasure of one or more US government agencies so none of
this was unexpected
It's so frequent that I'm used to it and
not bothered by it these days.
I just keep moving forward...
TC: What projects are you working on at the moment?
RH: I suspect that my answer will make some persons reading this
The fact is, in addition to my research activities
and public speaking relating to the UFO-Nukes connection, I have
had, over the past 31 years, a series of
unsettling-to-terrifying encounters with what I have come to
believe are non-human entities.
In other words, I am an experiencer or, stated more dramatically, an
alien abductee. I
wish this were not the case and deeply regret that this "thing"
has entered my life.
Whether it is a consequence of my
investigations or some other factor is unknown, but I am
convinced that these encounters are physical in nature and not
merely misinterpreted prosaic events, or due to an overactive
imagination, or the result of sleep paralysis - all theories
advanced by the skeptics to explain away the abduction
Moreover, seven of the 160-plus veterans whom I've interviewed
have revealed their own face-to-face alien encounters to me.
Yes, I understand that all of this is rather bizarre and hard to
believe, nevertheless it is unfortunately quite real.
decades of secrecy I have now "come out" about my secret life in
a new book,
Confession - Our Hidden Alien Encounters Revealed,
co-written with Dr. Bob Jacobs who witnessed the Big Sur UFO
incident mentioned earlier.
In the early 1980s, he began having
entity encounters as well.
When I learned this fact in 2012, we
began updating each other after our independent
visitation/abduction experiences, which are ongoing.
Finally, in early 2019, Jacobs and I decided to go public
regarding all of this, even though we knew that our credibility
would be negatively impacted and that some people - who had
previously been interested in, and believed, our revelations
regarding UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites - would now
recoil in skeptical disbelief at our new revelations.
But it is
what it is, and these strange, frightening experiences are
continuing and obviously beyond our control.
about them, however belatedly, is no different than our previous
efforts to publicly divulge the hidden nuclear weapons-related
cases. Although not yet recognized as valid by most scientists
and much of the public, the
alien abduction phenomenon is real,
global, and tremendously important.
That these non-human
entities are somehow part of humankind's overall future seems
clear to experiencers; one day it will undoubtedly be obvious to