Start of interview
Rafael Palacios (RP): Well, I am in
the press conference of the Exopolitics area with a character...
Henry Deacon (HD): Arthur Neumann.
RP: ...a man that you are watching now that became famous
because of an interview by the Project Camelot in which he
didnít show his face. And now, this is the first time. Whatís
your name, please?
HD: My name is Arthur Neumann. Itís a German last
[Ed note: pronounced Noy-mann]
RP: You worked for 30 years in the research area, in very
HD: Research, manufacturing, logistics... pretty much every area
of government and government contracting, but mostly government.
Iíve held Top Secret ĎQí clearance at Livermore Labs, Lawrence
Livermore Labs. Iíve held Secret clearances in aerospace and
such. Iíve held Top Secret clearances, with certain extensions,
up until around 2004, working with other agencies.
RP: Can you say which is your specialty?
HD: My specialty is a very general... with a wide spectrum of
technologies. Technologies. And also coordination, project
management, program management, not only with the Department of
Defense, working with all the military forces, but also working
with other countriesí military as well.
RP: For instance, do you know anything about the secret sonic
weapons, the electromagnetic weapons?
pulsed electronic weapons in general. Yes. Iíve known
of their existence and the research thatís been done. Iíve been
aware of it, the inside, with the research of weapons, of
course, since the middle 1970s.
RP: Ah. Can you tell us which kind of weapons they have in
development, and which are the uses of these weapons?
HD: There are so many weapons. Thereís a microwave bomb. The
neutron bomb, of course... whatever. Particle beam acceleration
type bombs. Particle beam weapons. And many different projects
along those lines. Then, sound weapons, using highly focused
RP: So, can you confirm to us that this government has weapons
in order to harass people, special people, critical people,
note: meaning to harass certain people who protest against or
criticize the government] in order to make them distressed and
even make illness?
HD: Oh, definitely. Definitely. Yes. Thereís many different
technologies that are being used constantly, even in the cities,
and as well as just for specific targets, as well.
RP: These black helicopters that many researchers have told us
about, that is running above the homes, can you confirm that
they could be used in this area?
HD: I donít know whoísÖ I havenít been in that for many years.
RP: What I am talking about... There are certain people,
HD: Some of them are black helicopters and some of them look
like helicopters, but theyíre not helicopters.
RP: So what are they?
HD: Theyíre just... I donít know the details on those
helicopters. I just know that some of them are just... Ah...what
do you call it? Kind of cloaked to look like helicopters. But
that was years ago, so I donít know whatís happening now.
RP: Whatís that, in fact?
RP: Surveillance. Okay.
HD: Surveillance and maybe, possibly some abduction type work,
but not by aliens.
RP: Ah-ha. So you, the scientist that work, or worked, in these
classified programs, are you conscious of the people who worked
with you? Are you consciousness that you were working for the
bad people? Or you just do the job and you forget the use of
this work they are going to do?
HD: There are good people working, and there are bad people
working inside. And there are people who have families they want
to take care of, and so theyíre trapped in the job because,
otherwise, they have no job.
Itís always a battle internally as to Ė for some people Ė as to
whether to resign and have no job, or continue, and then...
Thereís a lot of discussion about that.
My intention from the very beginning has been Ė from the
beginning when I was a child Ė has been to go inside, and then
learn, and then move on. And go inside again, and learn, and
move on to another position, in different places.
So Iíve never been in one place. The maximum time I worked for
one place was, maybe, at most three or four years. Four years.
Then I moved to another job.
But I didnít apply. For most of these jobs I never applied or
looked for the job. Theyíd just telephone me at random and find
RP: Can you describe for us the way it works Ė this mechanism of
classifying? I mean, you work in Los Alamos or Livermore. Can
you describe for us, for people who donít know anything, how
these laboratories work? The way they classify the special
HD: How they decide what to classify?
RP: No, I mean, you are in the kitchen, in the living room, with
all the scientists. Do you know what the other ones know? Or do
you only know a couple of the things? You know what I mean?
HD: Yeah. For many jobs, itís always compartments, you know?
RP: Thatís it.
HD: Because thatís what you focus on, so you have no need to
know whatís happening somewhere else. Youíre focused in a
But as time progressed, my compartments expanded with more
compartments, until the last job I had there were no
compartments at all that I was aware of, because of the nature
of the work.
I had... It was like on a team, where I had what we called
ďcustomers,Ē and the customers included NSA and the other
three-letter agencies and four-letter agencies from different
countries, plus other customers that donít have any names.
HD: I donít know them by name, I just meet with them. So no
compartmentalization was necessary. Because of the work... I was
ďvolunteeredĒ to work on a small team, to kind of filter the
information between these different organizations.
RP: Can you explain to us the goal of these projects in
HD: That project in particular... The goal was multiple goals,
but it was to try and find a way for these different groups to
communicate, and yet respect their privacy Ė what they donít
want Ė between each other, because they donít what to openly
share information between each other completely. But to find a
way, a mechanism, for them to be able to communicate what they
want communicated in a secure manner.
RP: A secure Internet? Something like that?
HD: That too, yes. Yeah. But with a filtering.
RP: Filtering. Uh-huh.
HD: So that means that I had to have access to all of their
information. So, that just happened, you know.
RP: As well as you know about telecommunications, can you tell
us if... Everybodyís worried about the
Big Brother and they,
these people, know everything about us?
HD: Well, you canít hide anything.
HD: Right now weíre having the interview. Iím pretty certain
that everything is very well documented, you know. Itís just a
matter of whether they have an interest in it or not, you know.
So you donít have any privacy. Especially in the electronic era,
every transaction you do, every phone call, every hotel and
place you stay, every person you meet, everything... [laughs] It
sounds like a song: Theyíll be watching you.
But itís not... Nothing to fear. This is the important thing, to
stop being afraid of everything, because that fear isÖ
Today what we need to focus on is the opposite of fear. Itís to
look forward and be happy about this baby that I spoke of,
thatís being born, and celebrate the change, and realize that
thereís pain involved in this change.
These black factions and such, these dark operations, they are
Theyíre very weak and powerless.
HD: Yes, theyíre very weak. Especially if you realize, if you
can understand, that weíre living in a galaxy full of worlds and
people Ė people like you and me, basically Ė that have gone
through the same experience as the people here on Earth. The
same experience, long ago. And itís a continuing thing, and they
already know whatís going to happen.
But theyíre watching this change happen now, and theyíre
supporting it and helping, gently and quietly, behind scenes.
And if youíre aware of that, then you donít have anything to be
RP: Why are you so sure of that?
HD: Because Iíve met so many of these people.
RP: Ah. Tell us, tell us.
HD: I met these people even before I worked, you know, and for
other reasons which Iíd rather not explain on video right now,
because of where I come from, as well.
RP: Where do you come from?
[this portion of the video edited out at the request of Arthur
RP: But can you tell us if the First Contact is close, as they
say, all of the people? The First Contact that would beÖ
HD: The First Contact, I think, thatís planned is not a real
contact. The plan is a fictitious threat. But this fictitious
threat... If you see
UFOs and theyíre mechanical or such, the
highest probability is that...
Especially if they look like a threat or an enemy, just realize
that thatís only temporary and theyíre not from another place,
another planet. They are a created enemy, as part of the
RP: So you confirm the secret government has these tools, this
HD: Theyíve had the technology and the tools for a long time.
HD: I mentioned the
Report from Iron Mountain, which many people
say is just science fiction. Itís not science fiction, because
that same material was handed to me in a meeting in Tucson,
Arizona, in the 1980s.
HD: Yeah, directly, in a meeting. Yes. A government meeting that
I went to.
RP: You read it.
HD: It was a surprise to me because I didnít know what the
nature of the meeting was.
We were flown to Tucson, Arizona, and stayed at a hotel room.
Then we got together, and at the end of the first meeting they
handed out the Report from Iron Mountain Ė not in book form, but
in paper format.
And thatís where I first learned of the plans
RP: Ah-ha. Well, youíre the first person I know that confirms
that. The Iron Mountain is confirmed.
HD: It is. I donít have the paperwork anymore, but it was close,
or almost exactly the same thing as in the book thatís now in
RP: So, for you
the swine flu epidemic is just part of this
HD: I canít say. Epidemics are natural things. There are natural
epidemics, of course, you know. But, in my opinion, the swine
flu is... In this case, this is a dangerous thing, but itís my
opinion only. My preparation is to take
RP: Whatís that?
HD: A vitamin.
RP: A vitamin. Vitamin, okay.
HD: Vitamin D3, 2,000 IU Ė 2,000 International Units Ė every
day. Up to 5,000. For certain reasons, the sun converts in your
skin Ė when it hits your skin Ė into vitamin D3, but because of
the nature of the sun now, and other factors, that wonít work in
But for general gripe, you call it?
RP: Ah. Gripe. Yeah. Flu.
HD: Or flu, any kind of flu. Vitamin D3 will reduce your chances
greatly of getting any kind of flu, okay? So I recommend that as
a supplement, and for other reasons, too, that have nothing to
do with flu.
RP: The vaccine? Do you ever recommend to people toÖ?
HD: I wonít take
the vaccine. I told my family members not to,
as well. I told them two years ago, three years ago, not to do
On the Project Camelot site thereís some documentation, I
believe, that was from long ago that I talked about the flu.
This was before anything came in the news. So I knew this in
RP: You know that the American people, they are telling them
some information, saying that the government is going to obligeÖ
HD: Make it obligatory.
RP: ...make it obligatory to the people to take it, no?
HD: This, of course, is the plan, is to make it obligatory with
heavy penalties and fines, you know. But I still wonít take it.
I will not take the vaccine, especially if itís forced. I donít
take flu vaccines anyway.
RP: Do you think that the
secret government has already contact
extraterrestrial beings, such as the Zeta-Reticulan-Reptilians, and this kind of stuff?
HD: When people talk about ďthe secret governmentĒ...
First if all Iíd like to mention that the governments... Like
when we talk about the level of the presidents or the royal
families or such, they donít have access to this information or
knowledge, as far as I know.
This is what my experience has been, is they only can go through
certain levels of security, and then the rest... For touring,
you know, for... This is what we have, you know, and this and that.
So theyíre not aware of whatís happening off-world.
HD: They have no communication with these people. So when you
ask about secret government, I need to know what you mean by
RP: Who has the power? Kissinger? Rockefeller? Who? Who is in
HD: You have power. Youíre in charge of running the interview.
HD: So itís different levels of power or strength of power, I
mean, in each person.
RP: So you donít believe this is well centralized in three
persons? Something like that? Do you believe this...? There are
some people who say that there are a couple of people, or
several people, that have this power concentrated inÖ
HD: Oh, the people thatÖ There are small groups that meet that
do have power, including one that I mentioned in the Zurich
conference that I donít want to mention again, a three-letter
agency that isnít spoken about very much.
RP: Dealing with satellites and so on, for instance?
HD: Yeah, that one.
HD: But the thing is that, ultimately, they still have their
limits as to what power they really have. They want power and
theyíve been trying to have power for a long time, but in the
next few years they will completely lose all of their power.
HD: Because of all the changes that are taking place and
RP: So, whatís the role of the humankind in all this story? This
is something, like a government, some people like here, in the
special project, in a higher level position. But we the people,
what can we do in this story?
HD: The best thing people can do... The best thing is very
simple. If you have different belief systems, different
religions, you need to open up your heart and realize that weíre
all here together, and respect each otherís beliefs as best as
Understand that we share a common ancestry, not just here, but
our whole galaxy. Our galaxy, we have a commonÖ
RP: A galactic consciousness.
HD: Itís the galaxy. Not the universe, but the galaxy.
But right now we need to just focus on what happens here on the
planet and help each other. Stop fighting over ďmy god and your
godĒ, you know. It doesnít make any difference.
RP: But do you think some person in the streets, the common
people, could be putting pressure on the government in order to
disclose the information?
HD: If you want to do something, do it in
a non-violent way.
RP: Yeah, of course. Of course.
HD: If you have anger, that will just support the agendas of the
people who are trying to have power over you.
But this, again, is a very temporary thing. All this fighting
and all this suppression is temporary. Even if you donít do
anything outwardly, the change... It will still take place.
The birth of the new world Ė not the
New World Order they push Ė
but the new world will still happen very shortly. You should
feel this and be aware of this.
RP: Two short questions just to finish. One, first one, can you
tell us the secret technologies that may come, may free
ourselves, when the secret government falls?
HD: Well, there are technologies, of course, using the
the zero-point energy. Thatís a definite. I pointed it
out in Zurich. Itís a definite.
RP: It exists.
HD: And this is not even classified information. Itís just you
need to know where to go to see it. Iím talking about in
government itís not even classified.
And neither is gravity shielding, which is similar to
anti-gravity, but itís shielding. You take the material and you
put it here, something above it, and it lessens the... It
shields the gravitational force.
This technology exists and there are places you can go. You can
lanl.gov Ė Los Alamos National Labs dot gov. Go to
that website and then do a little search. Dig through their
archives, their physics archives.
RP: So we can have flying saucers in a short period of time
HD: Yeah, you can have that. But the thing is that we need to
balance all this technology that is available or can become
public... We need to first work on the spiritual and the
RP: But where are the plans, the maps, to do these flying
saucers? Do you think thatís going to be released, such as open
source software? Could be a Linux way of creating flying
HD: Itís going to be released from many, many different sources.
Just from people, probably in here in the conference, even,
today. There are people who are working on these projects.
RP: Yeah, really?
HD: Yeah, and businesses that are coming forward.
HD: Yeah, theyíre all new businesses.
RP: Ah. Okay.
HD: So itís slowly comingÖ
RP: Brian OíLeary, for instance, is in this field?
OíLeary, your friend?
HD: Yes, heís in this business. Well, I donít know what heís
doing with the machines or anything.
But as far as zero-point energy technology... In its best form,
I could describe it as: You can have just a small little box
that looks like this and it could direct conversion into
electrical energy, or whatever you want.
Thereís no moving parts, no mechanical spinning magnets or
anything like that. Itís so simple that it looks like magic. And
you can just do that, and you can power... With the correct
RP: Whatís the key of the zero-point energy? Whatís the key to
HD: Well, how does it work?
HD: Well, there are different approaches. One of them is
basically a very, very small layering of materials... Layering
of materials, almost like a capacitor is manufactured. Small
layers of material, and then weíre tapping the energy from that. Itís a simple solid-state type of technology that can be used.
RP: Does zero-point energy have anything to do with
HD: I donít know anything about orgone energy. I mean, Iíve seen
it, and I... I donít have any experience with it.
RP: Okay. The other question was about the
Would you expect anything positive about these issues we are
HD: Iíve been up and down with my feelings about Obama, you
know, so I donít know. Itís really not Obama, I donít think.
I think itís just what happens with this world as a whole is
really... Almost a natural event, or events, are happening. Itís
not a matter of whether someone makes a decision in office to
release information. This is all happening very naturally, you
know. Itís not any decision.
RP: We donít need the government to release the information.
Thatís whatÖ [laughs]
HD: No. We donít need government to release the information.
RP: I am very agreeing with you. I am very agreeing. We donít
have to ask for the government to do it.
HD: And donít expect the government to have any information to
release to you, because the governments... Like I was talking
about, the governments donít have this information to release.
This informationís already in the public domain. Itís just
coming... Itís like flowers growing out of the soil, you now.
Itís blooming everywhere.
RP: We have the Internet thatís putting the information out to
HD: And also, great inventions and things in the past have been
discovered simultaneously in different places on the planet. How
is this possible? Itís because itís happening in a different
dimension, from a different dimension. This is how this
information is released. Itís not released through governments.
RP: The information is in the Internet. Just for finishing the
interview, do you think they are going to
close [down] the
freedom of the Internet? Can they do it?
HD: They can attempt to, and they can shut it down. And there
may be a period of time where the Internet may slow down a lot.
But then, weíre talking about... Who are ďtheyĒ, you know? The
Internet was originally structured so that you cannot shut it
down, you know? So it may slow down, thatís all, slow down to a
And so, think about alternative ways of communication. A new
form of communication will come in a few years, where you wonít
need Internet any more anyway.
RP: Which one? Telepathy?
HD: Something like that.
RP: Ah, thatís it.
HD: And people will just... It will be a natural thing, too.
RP: Heart communication, you know.
HD: Yes! Thatís whatís happening at the conferences. People will
experience this, you know.
RP: Okay. Thank you so much for the information...
Turn off your televisions!
RP: ...for your bravery, and for your courage.
HD: Turn off your television set!
RP: Okay, I will do it.