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Bill Deagle (BD): The key idea is this: You need to have a doing
in the spirit before you have a knowing. In other words, you
need to contact the Higher Self to say why... I’m a human-being
not a human-doing.
In other words, you need to be where you’re supposed to be. You
need to be in the position where you’re supposed to be, and then
the things just unfold.
Bill Ryan (BR): Yes.
BD: And this is why all these things have happened to me. And
people say it’s impossible that all these things could happen to
one person. I say: Well, it happens because I hear and do.
As you know, the sister of Moses went before the council of the
people back in the ancient times and said, you know: Are we an
ear, and not only prophets?
And the voice of god spoke through the pillar of fire and said:
There is not a man on Earth, hand to hand, eye to eye, mouth to
mouth, who does not speak as another man speaks to his brother.
That’s the kind of relationship I have with God. I literally can
talk and hear him instantly, [snaps fingers] like that.
Kerry Cassidy (KC): Mm hm.
BD: But people need to know I’m not any better than anyone else,
but I am... If you knew my whole history, you’d say: Why is this
man called to do this?
I’m called to do this because I’ve seen the face of evil. I’ve
seen it not only in myself, I’ve seen it in others. I have
chosen light, not to be a follower of darkness.
I’ve had numerous opportunities. I’ve had an opportunity to
become a Breve Brother, a Knight of Malta, as early as this
year, earlier this year. I’ve had all kinds of threats. I’ve had
the Pindar come directly to me to say, you know, to be his
replacement as the CEO of Earth, Inc. and the Druidic Council.
And there’s a lot of high-level Masons say: Well, I haven’t even
heard of that. Because they think they’re the ascended ones.
They have no idea what they’re serving.
BD: They have no idea. They need to repent right now. And, as I
say, if we can pray - and this is something we have to do. And
the most powerful thing we have is, I call it fore-give. The
word fore-give means to create.
To fore-give means we need to pray for George Soros, who is
Blackstone Group and
9/11, and the current
derivatives crises that’s bringing the world down to a world and
regional banks, and trade zones that are going to cause the
death of millions and set the groundwork afoot for a pandemic.
Because when starvation occurs, the population gets weakened,
and it’s the perfect groundwork, or cover, for a pandemic which
they’ve already weaponized.
BR: Has that already been released? Or not released?
BD: There are several avenues by which it can happen. Back in...
How long ago is it now? Gee... back in about 1995 I was praying
and I was told by the angel that I was supposed to go to Europe.
And I said: Well, where? And the lord said: You’re going to go
And I said: Well, I don’t know anybody in Zurich. So I had some
friends that were Canadians, that actually were in Halifax, Nova
Scotia, at the time and they had gone back to Austria, to Lake
And I said: Well, I’ll contact them... the Santoses. I said, you
know: You guys know Zurich? [They said]: Oh, yeah. We lived
there are awhile and we love it.
So I started going through and googling, you know, checking out
things, trying to find out which organization. The lord said:
You’re supposed to contact these people here at
International. So I speak to God, literally, and he tells me.
So I contact them. I call this guy and he calls me back from
Zurich. And in a very German accent he says: Wonderful! We’d
love to have you come over and speak to our board.
So we arranged tickets. We go and visit our friends in Austria,
and we go over to Zurich. And I told them what I was told, you
know - literally told - to tell them about was the cybernetic
super-soldier program, human genetic engineering, and the chimeric monstrosities they’re making in underground facilities.
And to speak against abortion and euthanasia, and selective
abortions which are... 93% of the abortions on Earth are female.
BD: OK? And so, after two and a half hours of me speaking to a
board of scientists - giant boardroom, you know, 24 doctors and
scientists, whatever, the International Board of HLI - they
said: Now you sit down, doctor. We give you things.
And they went into another room and brought this stack, about a
foot of documents. I said: Well, what is this? They said: You
stay here. And they gave me some more water and whatever, and
they lectured to me for two hours.
And they had documents there of the
weaponization of the avian
flu, smuggled out of the World Health Organization in Basel.
Actual documents. OK? That they had got gene bioengines, and
they had actually resurrected the corpses of people that died of
the H1N1 back in 1918, that they were paid for by
the Rothschilds... All this stuff!
I’m totally in shock! I mean, these guys are telling me this
stuff. I’m thinking: Why am I in Zurich?
And after they finished that, which was about 6 inches, then
they gave me documents, that they had these plasmid vaccines
that were injected every month. And they were drawing blood from
women in sub-Saharan Africa, testing to see if they create
antibodies against human chorionic gonadotropin to sterilize
And I had another 4 inches of documents that showed that AIDS
was completely weaponized by cross-genetically engineering
the Visna virus with other viruses. They gave me the actual
So I’m sitting there kind of freaked out, you know, wondering...
And of course we went to dinner afterward with these doctors.
And they said: Now you bring all this – I brought it all back
with me, of course - to North America.
But the thing is, back in... You see how God puts me in all
these positions. Back in 1974 I had finished a year of medical
school and someone tried to recruit me from a U.S. government
agency to take a year off medical school and go to Uganda for a
special virus project. Because I had worked...
Before I went into medicine, I was working on my honors degree
and I finished my Ph.D. research project in 5 months, although I
didn’t write the thesis, for Dr. Robert Brown, who was one of
the doctors working on the T-virus project in Bethesda. So I was
already a bio-weaponeer. OK?
KC: Mm hm.
BR: And you turned that down?
BD: I turned it down. I told them there was no way I was going
to do it. But I had recalled this from ’74 to 1997 when they
gave me all those documents, and here it was...
I was also the whistle-blower that blew the whistle that the
Factor-8 that was used for hemophiliacs... I was the main
whistle-blower for the Canadian government and those lawsuits
that got all those doctors, that they were getting it and
combining all these Factor-8s...
Because I had a pile of hemophiliacs when I was practicing in
Calgary that were dying of AIDS, specifically because they gave
them purposely-contaminated Factor-8.
BD: OK? And all these things, all my experiences from my life,
were laid out so that I would be what I am now, a beaten piece
of steel like a Samurai sword...
BD: ...hardened enough for the truth and willing to tell the
people the truth, to tell people that you need to make the right
decisions. You cannot believe your pastor, your rabbi, your
Buddhist master, your ascended masters, your ET contactees. You
need to contact your Self, the spirit of the Most High God.
You need to analyze what’s going on in foreign policy and money.
For example, money, as Socrates says, only means exchange. Why
are we willing to do spending cuts that will starve people? Why
are we going to bail out 700 billion dollars to banksters that
are gambling on the future, that are going to guarantee that
we’re going to have a crash and the death of civilization?
BD: Why? And they know that starvation leads to war, pestilence,
and the crash of civilization. And it’s very fragile. And
they’re purposely bringing this about.
This is the start... This phase right now, with the collapse of
the banks, this is the start toward world government, world
bank, regional currencies, chipping the population. And they’re
ready, probably by next year.
I’ve already calculated, and have been told by my sources, both
natural and classified, as well as supernatural, there’s about a
30% chance of an avian pandemic this year, and a 70% chance next
year, and 100% chance the year after.
BR: When you say this year, you mean in the next 12 months?
BD: No, between now and the end of December .
BR: Really? OK.
BD: That’s very disturbing. OK? But we’re talking about going up
to 70%, which means next year we have a very grave possibility
of a thermonuclear attack at least on the Bashear reactor and
450 targets. And a counter-response which is going to release a
radiation cloud and cut off the world to the Strait of Hormuz.
And I was taken in 1988 - one of my very first visions - I was
taken up high above Saudi Arabia, in the spirit, and I actually
looked down. And I looked and I could see the carrier groups all
And this was 1988, twenty years ago. And I looked down, and the
angel told me, he says: Watch this place. Because this is where
it will all start - the Strait of Hormuz.
BR: And how close are we to that now?
BD: We are so close we can feel the breath of the dragon. People
need to pull back... And none of these people that call
themselves candidates for president that are in the two leading
parties are safe. Neither one.
Obama is backed by
Zbigniew Brzezinski, that wrote
Chessboard, that was the head of the Security Council, that was
one of the CFR members in Georgetown University. He is
personally determined to directly confront, with thermonuclear
and other weapons, Russia. OK?
BR: Yes. Yep.
BD: We have Joe Biden, who released this information just in the
last two weeks. This guy is very clever but very evil. And he’s
directly involved with the cover-up of the Israeli Purdue OxyContin scam, where there’s a Purdue Pharma plant in Israel
distributing billions of dollars of illegal OxyContin in
America. And we have the proof of it. OK? This is not
BD: Then we’ve got McCain, who spent five and a half years under
the control of a Russian mind-control scientist, the top Russian
mind-control scientist. And I heard him on the debate. And
actually I think he won the debate against Obama, because Obama,
if he’s not reading a teleprompter, is not that smart.
McCain was sharper and he showed more presidential... But McCain
is determined that he’s going to invade - as well as Obama - he’s going to invade Pakistan and get to the Waziristani nukes.
He’s going to expand NATO directly on the back doorstep of the
Russians. It’s going to piss off the Russians. And the Russians
have got some very, very nasty weapons.
BR: Yes, and they’re pissed off already.
BD: They’re very pissed off, and they personally don’t want to
do this. They’d much rather negotiate and get richer. Right?
BD: The Russians are not interested in this. But the people
behind the American government, the Satanic Luciferian
Reptilians, they’re absolutely determined to bring this agenda
toward a final culmination, a thermonuclear war. OK? They’re
determined to do it.
KC: That’s with Russia.
BD: And they’re pulling Russia... As it says in Ezekiel 38 and
39: I shall pull you with hooks in your jaw. Oh Rosh, chief
prince Gog of Meshech, Tubal and Rosh.
And you know what that is? Gog is the name of a Hebrew man.
Rosh: Russia. Meshech: Moscow. Tubal: Tublosk. This is Russia.
They’ve armed to the teeth all these nations.
They’ve got the S-300 anti-aircraft system; they’ve got the
Yakontz hypersonic cruise missile; they’ve got EMP weapons; and
they’ve armed to the teeth Syria and Iran; and they are building
the largest outside-of-Russia naval base right now in Syria.
BR: Yes. And they’re poking the Bear with a sharp stick.
BD: They’re poking the Bear with a sharp stick. So, what we’ve
got to do is, people need to get in a panic here. It’s not a
matter of voting for Palin and McCain, or voting for Obama.
Either alternative guarantees a thermonuclear war.
BR: Yeah. Is this election going to happen to schedule, or could
something happen to it?
BD: It really doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. Even if it’s
delayed 6 months, you know, it doesn’t matter if McCain gets in
there and Palin.
The thing that I’m particularly concerned about is... Someone
like McCain, if he lives long enough, which I’m very concerned
about, because he’s had a third recurrence of a melanoma. He’s
had a lymphatic spread. And I know a lot of... I do consulting,
helping people integrate with treatments for cancer all around
Unless he’s getting some of the new classified
therapies with some of the people that I know in Europe or
elsewhere - like Dr. Tulio Simoncini and Dr. Muńoz in Tijuana,
and other places, where you get IPT and so on - he’s a dead
This cancer or another cancer is going to come back and kill
him, and he’ll probably die in his term. And we’re not talking
about a 30% chance. We’re probably talking 80% chance in the
first two years of his term, if he does become president, that
President Palin will take over.
BR: With what consequences?
BD: Well, President Palin doesn’t, I don’t think, have the... To
me she’s pro-life which is positive for a lot of Christian
rights. [Ed. Note: the political right]
She’s going to drag a
lot of votes that way. But in terms of her ability to have a
rational judgment, with the extreme religious background that
she has, is going to be very disturbing.
Now, I’m for the pro-life issue and I’m for the fact she’s got
spirituality. But when you have religion and it’s clouded that
Israel can do no wrong? That’s frickin’ dangerous.
BR: Yes. She says that Iraq is God’s war.
BD: Right. And that’s really dangerous. And you can’t say Israel
can do no wrong when the whole nation of Israel is Sabbatian
Luciferian Satanist Jews. OK? Who do not worship the God of
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and have nothing to do with she
And they laugh at her and think that this Christian fool is
going to back us no matter what, and allow us to attack Iran.
BR: Yeah. And she’s playing straight into their hands.
BD: Right. She’s playing right into their hands. And, of course,
they’re using her as a card to manipulate. And on the other
hand, we’ve got
Obama and there’s a trail of strange things
going on behind him.
KC: And you know this because...
BD: I’ve got so many contacts you would not believe it. I
can’t... I’ve spent a lot of time on the... Obama is a, if you
want to call it, messianic figure.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: This is a very dangerous man. In fact, of all of the options
we have, Obama is the most dangerous of all of them.
BR: OK. So that’s the most-worst version.
BD: He’s the most-worst version. Even Biden would be better.
Biden might actually have a clue, even though he’s a bit of a
KC: But our understanding is that Biden probably won’t make it
BR: Is it possible that Hillary could be back on the ticket?
BD: It’s possible. It’s possible.
BR: Have you heard that?
BD: The thing is that Hillary, other than Obama, is the most
scary individual I’ve ever met. She is very brilliant,
incredibly evil, and her family, the Rodhams, have been
Luciferian Satanists for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
She has a lot of stuff attached to her.
BR: So what’s the way out of all that crap?
BD: The way out of it is to just get the population woke up, to
pray for the leaders, to get the people woke up. If we just get
a tiny minority of the body of mankind to wake up to the truth
Whether they think they’re atheists or agnostics or Jews or
Christians, they’ve got to stop being Armageddonites. They’ve
got to stop being Sabbatian Jews. They’ve got to stop being
“religious”, thinking: Oh well, it’s just karma being worked
out, in their Buddhism. Right?
They’ve got to stop all that foolishness and pick up their
scepter and say: We craft the future. We’re going to determine
whether or not mankind is going to survive what’s coming. And
they’ve got to start making decisions.
They’ve got to start saying: Hey, we’re not going to participate
with a country that’s going to have a thermonuclear war with
Iran. We’re not going to...
You know, as Carlin said: If you vote for one of these
blankey-blank guys or this blankey-blank guy, you can’t complain
when either one of them starts a thermonuclear war.
KC: OK. But actually people are left with that choice.
BD: They aren’t. They can actually... The thing is that I think
we need to transcend politics. We need to transcend religion.
We need to stop thinking that if we make the right decision on
the right leader we’ve solved the problem. The transformation is
not at the leadership level of the White House.
BD: It’s not even at the capitol building of the state. It’s not
even at the town council. It’s in us. We have to decide that
we’re no longer going to participate in these things. We’re not
going to participate in churches or pastors or politicians doing
these things. We’re not going to participate in a
collapse that’s going to starve millions, and
start a pandemic.
We’re not going to participate in doing those things that...
KC: OK. Well, but nuts and bolts and on a spiritual level, their
choice is clear, I would say.
BD: Yeah. But they have to make hard decisions. See, those
decisions are so hard that most people don’t want to swallow
that. So they want to either attack me or any other messenger
giving this message.
BD: They don’t want to make the tough choices to say: Hey, I’m
not going to participate with what they’re planning on doing.
I’m going to make certain that I’m not going to vote.
I’ll give you an example. What happens if nobody went out to
vote? What if everybody said: Hey, we know both these guys,
either party, is going to support the 700-billion dollar
Because, you know, in the next two weeks, long before the
election, they’re going to sign this damn thing. And if they
sign it, they guarantee the - you could call it the controlled
demolition of the economy of the world, and the de-evolution to
the “mark of the beast,” which is coming. You know?
I’ve walked personally through the array, and either party is
going to guarantee that. Now, whether it’s Obama and his
messianic vision, or it’s McCain and Sarah Palin with her
Armageddonite vision, it doesn’t matter. The devil will move
forward like a snake pushing itself on its own belly.
KC: OK. We’ve also gotten information about October . And
I’m sure you’ve heard
Half Past Human.
BD: Yes, I can tell you what... Yeah.
BR: We have thirteen different, actually fourteen now, different
data-points, lined up in October...
BD: Yeah. Well, you’re correct. Somewhere between the 7th and
15th of October. And I get the same feeling.
BD: A lot of the time I don’t know... Like I’ll go to bed at
night, wake up in cold sweats, get visions...
BD: ...see, you know, people crying. I see starvation. I see
privation. I see darkness, a lot of very bad visions, very
jumbled up, and I can’t tell you what it is specifically. But I
can tell you what makes sense to me if I just take my
BD: I think we’re going to have a financial crash.
BD: I think the financial crash is going to be so severe and so
painful that the grocery store shelves are going to be
completely empty in the very, very near future. I mean, it could
only last for maybe a few weeks, but it’s going to frighten
people so badly, that no matter what the government presents to
them - in terms of world government, regional currency, the Amero, whatever
- they’re going to take it.
And then, when they can go back to buying their latte, and go to
the movie theater, and put gas in their car at a reasonable
price, they’re going to say: Thank God we’ve got this.
BD: But I can tell you right now, what I see is empty shelves.
BR: And martial law.
BD: And martial law. Remember now, martial law will be almost
like a theater. It’ll be on... They brought back an entire
division. I posted up the article on Clay and Iron, and the
dates. So if you go to ClayandIron.com, I posted up that
They brought an entire division back to America to be
permanently stationed for civil defense inside the United
States. That’s 650,000 battle-hardened troops, with heavy
artillery and weapons, that’ll control the civilian population.
They don’t need to be in their home country.
The media that’s on that screen there [television], I call
Satan-vision. OK? In that box. What they need to do is they need
to frighten people into accepting whatever the agenda is.
BD: So they need a thing like the Katrina thing in one or
another city or two or three cities. Maybe they need an event
like... They’ve been working on this idea of blowing up dirty
bombs or nukes in two or three cities.
BD: I’ve got the long and short list.
BD: On both the long and the short list - and I happen to be
living very near to one of those. The very top of both lists is
BD: They’re number one.
KC: I think so, too.
BD: Chicago, Detroit, all those three cities are on both long
and short lists. OK?
BR: It feels to us that there is a violent event coming up.
BD: Yes, there is a very violent event coming up. And I see
financial collapse, and I see, at the very latest by next year,
a thermonuclear explosion in a U.S. city, one or more cities,
and civil war in America. OK?
And then a period of false peace after that. And a period of,
you know, them setting up this temple thing and kind of scaring
the crap out of the population of the planet.
BD: And then I see this time period of 1230, literally marked
off. Because, remember now, this is a religious ceremony. You
see, the Bible isn’t just a thing for the Jews or for the
Christians. It’s a Luciferic ceremony.
BD: And they’re marching through this as a clock, as an
anti-type to what they see happening. So that
the globalists and
the Illuminati use this almost as a religious ceremony to kind
of snub the face of the Creator of the universe. And say: No,
we’re God. So that’s why this timepiece is being marched on in
BD: OK? And when people grasp that... The reason why I’m going
calling you up today is because I don’t know who he’s, but there
is another witness. OK? He’s the Witness of Yehudah, the witness
of Judah. He’s a Torah Jew who does know this.
And the greatest prophecy that was ever given by Yeshua
Ha’Masaich was The Prodigal Son, that the Ephraim, which is the
10 tribes, would be hauled away, scattered over the Earth by the
Assyrians, and that they would return, and they would bring on
their shoulders, literally the ability to know how to protect
the Jews on Earth.
Because the holocaust is coming, Jews. You’ve got to know that
there is a holocaust coming to kill every Jew on Earth,
Sabbatian or not.
And the reason is they have to expunge the Earth of any
knowledge of a Creator God. It doesn’t matter if you’re a
Buddhist, or you’re a native Hopi or whatever. They’ve got to
get rid of them because there’s a portion of truth that was
given specifically by the Creator to the Jews that other peoples
did not receive in fullness.
Just like there’s a Bible code in the Bible. Why is that code in
the Bible? Why is it not in some Hopi things, or some tablets
from some other civilization? It was there because it was set up
as an object-lesson to ask of the entirety of mankind: How will
you deal with Israel?
How do you deal with it? As it says in Jeremiah, you know: There
will be a firepot burning all the nations around it. They’re
literally setting a detonator to blow up the Earth.
BD: And they have weapons that can. They’ve got anti-matter
weapons that can turn the Earth into shards, like, you know,
like one of these planets that died in the ancient conflicts
that they talk about, that was destroyed and created the
asteroid belt between Mars and Earth.
BR: Oh, yeah.
BD: They have those weapons now. They have things that you just
can’t imagine that can be done that could blow the Earth,
literally, into tiny fragments.
BR: Mm hm.
BD: OK? But whether we’ll survive is not a geopolitical thing of
who we vote for or whether or not we’re going to kind of will
our minds. Like, you know, some of the people figure if we just
will it, it’s all going to happen.
It’s going to require some painful decisions on our part to say:
Hey, we’re going to march in every city capital of every city.
We’re going to march in every church to throw down their dogma - which is their “am-god”. They’re not God.
They have to hear the Voice of the Creator, whatever religion
they are, whatever spirituality, whatever agnosticism. If they
don’t, they’re not going to survive, because this Earth is
marked for judgment. It’s the end of the road. And if they don’t
turn back now...
And that means all those ones who are called as prophets, of
every race and tongue and people, you need to come out with a
grand chorus and sing the song, as it says in the Bible, the
Song of Moses. You need to sing the song of humanity that is a
spiritual body that knows these things. We intuitively know it.
When I talked to John Boncore, whose name is Splitting the Sky,
who’s a Mohawk prophecy-giver - and he said this on air just
He said there was a prophecy given, you know, untold centuries
ago, that a great, a young Mohawk would come and give a
prophetic warning to the peoples of Earth.
Well, he has, better than any other person, better than Phil
Berg, or anyone else that I’ve heard, put the financial trail of
blood-money behind 9/11 together.
People need to grasp this, that if we don’t get back in touch
with spirit instead of religion, we’re going to all die, killing
each other for religion.
KC: Mm hm.
BD: And for different financial agendas. Or we’re going to save
the planet because of carbon dioxide, which is a lie. You know,
we’re polluting ourselves to death, so we won’t even be able to
reproduce two generations from now.
And it’s all by design. It’s designed that even if we didn’t
have a pestilence or nuclear war, or whatever, that life on this
planet is soon going to die. We are a dying planet.
If you’re visiting here as an archeologist from another distant
time and another space to visit Earth, you’d say: These people
are suicidal. They kill their prophets, just like it says in the
Bible, you know, between the brazen laborer and the holy of
I’m called to speak as Moses and as Elijah, to blow the trumpet,
which I’ve done on my show. And God has given me a voice to
speak to them and warn them. We are at the time of The End. And
that’s why my other website’s called clay and iron.
They need to know: Come out of Babylon, which means come out of
confusion. Come out of religion. Come back in relationship.
Stop believing lies. And the first lie is what you are. You’re
not a biological machine. You’re not an advanced piece of slime
that’s evolved. You’re an infinite being that has the right to
choose to have life and to live it abundantly for thousands of
years, literally, you know, and have contact with advanced
civilizations, and to survive, and to thrive.
But if you don’t choose life today... Just like Moses, when he
set the peoples between Mount Ebal and Mount Gerizim, we as a
civilization will die.
BR: Now, stepping back into the Black-Ops world, you will know
that we’ve been contacted by time-traveling future humans with a
BR: And it’d be interesting to hear your take on this. But our
understanding is that there are alternative timelines. Not all
of them are catastrophic.
BR: We do have choices.
BD: Sure we do.
BR: It’s not a done deal.
BD: Oh, absolutely.
BR: And what do you know of those contacts, those messages, and
what opportunities we have, and how those messages have been
acted upon by the people who’ve received them?
BD: Firstly, the way I would answer that is that the universe is
stranger than even they can imagine. In other words, when you’re
dealing with people... Let’s say that we have posited that there
are alternative timelines, and these people have traveled back
from multiple timelines.
If we think of the - I call it the universe as a One-“I”-Voice,
in other words, there is a unification of All-That-Is because
what the universe is, is not energy portrayed through advanced
equations in a cybernetic world. It is literally the passage of
spirit through a montage of images.
And when you start to understand that, there is only one. In
other words, there is not... There are maybe multiple possible
BR: Mm hm.
BD: But there is only ONE real future.
BD: But we do have a choice because... I say we
actually are creating whichever timeline we are going get,
whichever rail we are going to get on.
BD: Otherwise, it would be purposeless to even have human beings
because we’d just be automatons because the future is already
set in stone and whatever is going to happen will happen.
BR: Exactly. Yep.
BR: And we aren’t. We are actually in the image of the Creator.
We are actually the, if you want to call it, the incarnation of
the I AM that said: Let there be light in the universe, as human
beings in this world.
And there’s other beings of other types that are across the
cosmos that are incarnations of the same I AM. And they’ve come
to the knowledge that they are and have that responsibility to
be, in a sense, midwives to Earth in the birthing-room of this
BD: We’re literally in the birthing-room now.
BR: Yes. But, what do you know, and what have you heard, of
those messages from future humans who presumably are
altruistically trying to help in some way? Because they’re
looking back through their own history saying, you know: Don’t
do that stuff because this happened to us. Or some other
message. What do you know about this?
BD: You have to use a great deal of discernment. Because one of
the things about alternative timelines, in terms of an actual
being coming back from a timeline, is you have to think: Is this
Because the very nature of the universe is that there is one
timeline that you follow. There may be alternatives that you
have a choice of. But you have to use discernment.
You’ve got to remember that, in a sense, we live in a matrix. We
live in a cybernetic world that, to a great extent, is the
manifestation of a higher dimensional reality of being that
transcends our physical body.
For example, I try to tell people this repeatedly, is that your
mind, i.e., which is equal to your soul, is not physical. It
doesn’t exist on this plane. So when people talk about psychic
phenomena and doppelgangers and other things, what they’re
really referring to is something that’s just the very nature of
what we are.
Our physical mind doesn’t exist on this level. OK? The physical
mind is just a chemical computer. It’s a bunch of neurons
connected; that you’re connected to nuclei, and our eyes and our
But our physical brain is not what we are. It’s connected
through “the cord of the living waters” to our physical brain.
And so, if we don’t understand what kind of a being we are, we
won’t make correct decisions.
So part of this idea of timelines, or even incarnation... For
example if you talk to people about incarnation, they’ll say:
Well, 40% of the incarnations are supposedly from the future.
BR: Hm... Yes. Yes.
BD: Or even non-human beings. OK?
BD: But the way I tell the people is, I say: Maybe you’re just
kind of picking up, almost like a radio tuned into a certain
frequency, certain object-lessons or spiritual things so that
you can understand something you’re supposed to learn or
remember in this lifetime.
In other words, you’re not becoming... Does that make sense?
BR: Mm hm.
BD: So that’s why I see this as being a misinterpretation of it.
OK? So this idea that there is alternative timelines, I think is
a deception, a very, very significant deception. Because it says
that the world is a mechanistic Cartesian world that’s created
by energetics and we’re just kind of like leaves that are pushed
along by energy, space, and time, and we really don’t have any
choices to our future.
In fact, we actually ARE the Gods of this world. But I’m not
talking about replacement of the Creator God. I mean hearing the
voice and doing the will. And that’s a very different thing. So,
in other words, reality is created on this energetic plane by
spirit. It’s not the other way around.
BR: Of course.
BD: And that’s the problem we’re in. So, when you hear people
saying that they’ve had physical contact, the deception is very,
We’re right here now with mankind, as is said in the Eschaton
that transcends time and space, to make a decision for life,
whether this civilization is going to survive what’s coming or
it’s going to be annihilated.
And we’re very close to that, and we can see the object-lesson
of Israel as the final crux. Just look at the foreign policy and
look at the financial policy. Look at all of these things.
The two groups that are running the world right now, that are
running - literally driving it into the ground - are the
Teutonic Knights; the Hansiatic League. Right? That believes
that their bloodline is descended from Yeshua Ha’Masaich.
And all the kings and queens of Europe and all the czars of
Russia, the Caesars, believe their bloodline is descended from
Jesus Christ and King David. Why? That’s bizarre! Why? But it’s
You can talk to Jordan Maxwell and others and find it out,
Michael Tsarion and others. Why? Why? Why would that be?
And then the other group are the
Sabbatians. Right? The
Sabbatians are basically Satanists. These are, you know... Even
though, you know, they’ll say: Well, we’re communists - the
Israelis - because they had the Russians there at the inception
of the Israeli state. They’re not. They believe they’re God.
There is no God.
They’re trying to say, just like Bill Maher and his movie
Religulous. You know, obviously he’s a Kabbalist. He believes in
the Kabbalah. And the highest level of the Kabbalah... If you go
deep into Masonry, or entirely, you go right back to the Temple
of Solomon. They’re completely... They all look Jewish, but
they’re not. They’re Satanic. They go right back to Atlantis and
BD: These were adopted into it and invaded into it at the time
of Solomon. That’s why they’ll say they’ll elevate Solomon, and
that Solomon was a great leader. No. He allowed the body of the
truth of ancient Israel to be infected by this monstrosity.
BR: Mm hm. Getting back to what you were saying about the
reality, or otherwise, of these alternative timelines, what I
hear you saying is, it’s almost like an intellectual trick,
because it doesn’t really count.
BR: What’s in front of us is what’s in front of us, and that’s
our real responsibility.
BR: And anything else... It’s almost like it’s not relevant
whether it’s “real” or not, because it depends on what you mean
BR: And the really, real situation is here and now.
BR: And that’s the only thing that matters.
BD: Yes, and also it might give you a false decision-tree to
base your ideas on and therefore steer you in a direction of
BR: I understand.
BD: That’s the first thing. Wasting action. And wasted effort.
For example, people think there’s going to be a difference if we
elect McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden. I don’t think it makes a
difference. It might make a difference if you had somebody like
Cynthia McKinney or Chuck Baldwin. But how likely is it they’d
be elected president?
BR: Yeah. It’s not going to happen.
BD: It’s not going to happen. The problem is, Cynthia McKinney
is a black woman. She’s brilliant; she’s tough. She’s calling
for a 9/11 investigation. This woman would make an absolutely
amazing president. OK? But how likely is it for her to get in
And the problem is they may also come with baggage, what we call
environmental baggage, which is, we’ve got to reduce the world’s
oxygen/carbon dioxide. That’s crazy! It’s not science. OK?
I was an oceanographer. I did work with Greenpeace. Carbon
dioxide is what makes the plants, including the phytoplankton in
the upper 10 metres of the benthic layer of the oceans produce
all the oxygen. And our oxygen level now is down from what it
was in ancient Mesozoic era, from 30%, down to what it is now.
So you know, I think what it is, we have to stop looking for an
external messiah where all these so-called great religions...
Like for example, Mr. Ahmadinejad thinks he’s going to see the
Imam-Mahdi, or the Christians think they’re going to see a
BD: ...come in the clouds, you know whether... Which is
BR: And there are a bunch of people who think the ETs will save
BD: Right. They think the ETs... You see, this “ET save us”
stuff is crazy stuff, too.
BD: The fact is, what’s going to save us is us. You know, it’s
like the inverse of Pogo’s statement there, you know: I’ve seen
the enemy and the enemy is us. I’ve seen the messiah and the
messiah is us.
BR: Very good.
BD: I hope this kind of gets people to kind of drop their old
paradigms and I hope I get them to, you know, like Marshall
McKluen, “tune in and drop out.” In other words, drop out of
false lies, whether it’s politics or religion or thinking these
other things are solutions. Become personally responsible.
Become public and interact with other people.
Don’t think that, by default, if you don’t say anything about it
you’re not responsible for the death of 15- to 32-million
Iranians and a radiation cloud that circulates the planet and
destroys your own health.
BD: The sins of omission are greater than the sins of
commission. And the sins of silence are greater than the sins of
KC: Yes. I second that. And this is where we ask for everyone to
BR: And it’s all got something to do with you.
BD: Right. Absolutely. I hope it transforms some hearts. As
Yeshua Ha’Masaich Jesus said: The message of the kingdom is now,
which means, it’s now, as soon as you attend to shemah, to hear
and do the will of the Creator God of the universe and not to
think that you can set external commandments and create peace on
Earth. What you’ll do is you’ll create pieces of Earth.
BR: Is there any final sound-byte that you... Is there anything
that you haven’t said that you want to leave these people with
right now? Because this is the chance.
BD: Well, what I would say is, firstly, prepare for a series of
spasms and disasters.
BR: When you say “prepare,” you mean physically and logistically
BD: Spiritually prepare first. But physically prepare. Have your
food and water, have your civil defense. We have a whole series
of civil defense things. I’m actually working with Gordon
Peterson in Homeland Security to stop aircraft bringing in
Prepare to have things to protect yourself from
flu, which we have on our website,
yourself to be home-quarantined for anywhere from six weeks to
two months or more.
BR: Anywhere in the world? Or here in America?
BD: Anywhere. Anywhere on the planet. Be prepared for food
shortages on a massive scale, starting as early as this fall. Be
prepared to know how to have... in other words, I don’t tell
people to join the militia. I tell people to start shooting
I believe that we need to exert our Second Amendment right, not
so that we can go out and start shooting fellow Americans, but
we can protect ourselves if things get out of hand.
I worked with federal agents at the Federal Center in Denver and
they did simulations and actually were stockpiling pallets of
gold bullion, gold coins, and bales of heroine to interact with
gangs; so that between 4 and 12 days after a state of national
civil emergency, like nuclear war, they could trade with the
gangs that would control every city.
BR: When was that, Bill, that you encountered that?
BD: That was in 1997.
BR: But that’s all still in force.
BD: Oh yes, all those things. Their
COG [Continuity of
Government] which was set up by George Bush, Sr., made it even
more serious. So that COG plan, and all those things, have been
done going back, like over grades, going back since Eisenhower.
BD: They’ve been doing this for a long time. And it’s not just
in America. You have to understand, these plans are replicated
in one form or another in Canada, in Britain, in Australia, in
African nations, in China. They have policies.
There’s over 4,000 underground facilities around the world
alone. And in America, two giant facilities besides the little
ones, that are a mile-and-a-half to four miles down.
I mean, they’ve been going crazy. And most of the illegal money
is drug money coming from the illegal sale of heroine and
cocaine, OxyContin, Ecstasy, etc., three-quarters of a trillion
dollars into weird projects.
BD: And again, they’re addicted to this. They’re addicted to
money that isn’t under the scrutiny of the Congress or Senate.
And I don’t think, if either party is elected, they’re going to
steer us away from this.
We have to get away from thinking the political system is going
to solve this. It’s not. Or the religious, you know. A lot of
people think if they just go pray a whole lot in church,
whatever church they belong to? They’re crazy.
BD: They need to start taking action. We mean action to the
street, to their neighbors and they need to say: Hey, I don’t
want to participate in the winding down of civilization.
BD: Because they need to see that this is the first stage here.
This is the devolution of the economy. And the next stage after
the devolution of the economy and a release of a pandemic or
martial law - and it won’t just be in America - is the
hard-chipping of the population,
forced vaccination, pandemic,
and the hard kill’s going to start.
BR: Mm hm.
BD: And I’m talking about hard kill, where they’re going to try
to kill 90% of human beings on the planet with either pandemics,
injected viruses, lethal weapons systems or whatever, or
starvation just because of economic chaos. And people say: Oh
no. They wouldn’t do that.
I have contacts inside the Canadian and U.S. government that
have said, if there is a total breakdown of society for 30 days,
half the population in Canada and the same in the States would
BR: Yep. From violence.
BD: Not from a pandemic. From violence.
BR: Yeah. Yep. People will do it themselves. Yeah.
BD: The violence will be... Just take a city, like, let’s say
you had a city like Los Angeles and you took out 20 blocks with
a 10-kiloton nuclear weapon, with a population kill of let’s say
200,000. And California devolved into a state where there’s no
trucks going anywhere with any food. And this is a place where
it’s a breadbasket.
This state would be a seething caldron of death, and half the
population would probably be dead within 30 days. Just because
of the roving gangs shooting each other up, and trying to grab
food that was left and getting trucks and whatever.
BD: It would be insane. It would make Road Warrior look like a
party. And people say: Oh no, it couldn’t get that bad. I said:
The guys who told me were special forces that worked at the
Federal Center that told me this. And they shocked me back in
’97 when they told me this stuff.
BR: Yeah. And all of this is being modeled as well.
BD: Yeah. So I tell people they’ve got to start preparing for
disaster. And then we’ll come back out of that. Because when
they bring it out, the next thing is: Oh, that wasn’t too bad.
It was only two weeks of martial law. Or six weeks.
BR: Yes. That’s just to get people acclimatized to the idea.
BD: Just like Katrina, you know. We let the people in Katrina
now live in trailers that would ruin their health or they have
homes that are still loaded with mold that are killing them.
Or, we let them federalize parts of the country. That’s totally
against the Constitution. Right? They’re still federalizing. The
city of Detroit’s federalized, the city of New Orleans. This is
a violation of Federal and State law. What are they doing?
They’re eventually going to federalize the whole country because
they’ve been, grade by grade, running martial law and admiralty
law parallel with the Constitution.
And eventually they’re just going to get rid of that, in
Bush, Jr.’s terms: That GD piece of paper.
They’re just going to throw it away and say: Guess what guys.
We’ve got enough executive orders; we’ve got enough
Security worldwide - which are
the Rothschilds private army.
Right? - And we’re going to take you on.
BD: OK? So people need to grasp that. And they need to be
prepared for things. And they need to be able to stand up. And
if they don’t stand up, well...
BR: Is it possible that some of the “white hats” in Intel and
the military will stand up themselves?
BD: They are already. I’ve already got contacts who’ve told me.
William Fallon, you know, was public. He said: Not on my
watch will you start a war against Iran. They fired him.
BD: They put two people of Jewish descent in there that are
willing to take orders, that are willing to attack Iran.
BD: Twice in the last year-and-a-half, these Israelis tried to
go downtown. The last time was around June 24th when the
American government allowed 100 Israeli jets to do air
maneuvers, and a war game over Iraqi airspace.
And the Russians detected it with their satellite-based imaging,
and started to scramble, transfer codes - for the launch codes - for their submarine-launched nuclear missiles, and their Bear
bombers heading toward North America. People don’t know. We were
moments away from a thermonuclear war in June.
BR: We heard about that.
BD: I mean, most people say: Oh, that doesn’t happen. You people
are crazy. I say: Well, I’ve got contacts. I went back weeks
later and verified it from my sources.
BD: And so people say: Oh, that can’t happen. You’ve just got a
really good imagination. I said: I wish. I mean, this is a
BD: And it’s really happening. But I’m brave enough to say it
because I know there’s no alternative. If I don’t speak out
You can’t move far enough away. You can’t move to the south
island of New Zealand and think you’re going to be safe. Or
Paraguay. There is nowhere on this planet you can move away from
this without it eventually taking you if you don’t stand up to
So if I have any messages: Prepare for disaster. Speak out now
because you’re going to be silenced very shortly.
And believe me, they won’t be able to silence your
blood-curdling screams as you’re hauled away in a Black-Op truck
in the middle of the night, or a railcar with the shackles
grinding into your ankles and your wrists, as you’re screaming
because you know you’re going away to the death chambers. OK?
This really is getting prepared. They’re getting prepared.
They’ve shipped in the plastic coffins. They’ve got the
railcars. They’ve got the incineration stations all ready.
They’ve got everything ready.
People say: Oh, it doesn’t exist. I say: Well, my condolences to
you because if you want to attack me and say that I’m a
crackerjack because I give all these spiritual and other things,
you’re going to suffer and then you’re going to die. And you’re
not just going to die a physical death, you’re going to die a
BR: Yep. And one of the reasons why you die a spiritual death is
because you never stood up when you could have done.
BD: Right. The greatest sins are the sins of silence in the face
BR: Yes. We second that.
KC: Absolutely. We absolutely second that. Thank you very much.
BR: Bill, thank you so much.