A: This is opening a doorway to
hyperspace. Combine with those on the pathway of wormholes.
Q: (L) There have been a couple of movies that we have seen
lately, ’The Sphere,’ and ’Event Horizon,’ about spaceships that
go into black holes and then re-emerge with some very strange
things going on. The whole idea of a space ship going into a
black hole just sort of boggles my mind. I would like to know
what would be experienced by a person or space ship that goes
into a black hole? What would it be like?
A: Disintegration, followed by conversion to anti-material
Q: (L) So it would not come out on the other side in another
(A) It will.
A: Yes, but not as matter.
Q: (L) After something has gone into a black hole, can it then
re-emerge into the material universe intact?
Q: (L) So, once it’s gone in the black hole, it’s sayonara,
hasta la vista?
A: Stars are also portals of this nature.
Q: (L) So, what we perceive as stars in the anti-matter universe
would be black holes?
A: No, windows.
Q: (A) You mentioned hyperspace. What is
A: 4th through 7th density, except 4th only perceives it, as
"living in the doorway."
Q: (L) You say that stars are portals. What, specifically, are
they portals for, of, from or to?
A: How about other dimension. Remember, density and
concepts intersect. Density level relates more to conscious
awareness, but dimensions house consciousness and all other.
Q: (L) So, you can have many ’houses’ along a row at one level
and many at another level, in a vague sort of way?
A: Close. Think of hyperspace as 4th dimension.
Q: (A) Now, this business that space/time geometry builds a kind
of singularity, changes the algebraic structure of the metric
tensor; and I was trying to relate it to changing of density at
A: Yes. The answer is in the pentagon.
Q: (L) Do you mean ’pentagon’ as in the government building, or
as in the geometric structure?
A: Why do you suppose they are linked? Why is the "pentagon" a
Q: (L) I don’t know. Why is it?
A: Answers are within your grasp.
Q: (A) What was this answer ’yes’ to the changing of density? Do
you mean that it relates to what S___ was working on or that it
connect to Kaluza Klein theories?
A: Both. Geometry... pentagon and hexagon, algebraic
Q: (A) Now, I was following another clue, Einstein’s 1936 paper
then describing Einstein-Rosen Bridge.
Q: (A) This is a bridge between two different realms, so to say.
Q: (A) But there is nothing in this idea, really, that relates
to hyperspace in the sense of fifth dimensions, pentagons,
hexagons. At least I could not see it.
Q: (A) So there is another piece of information which has to be
put together with this idea?
Q: There is a remark in this Graham Hancock book about the
pyramids which says here regarding the issue about iron:
unsettling to discover in
the Pyramid Texts, supposedly the work
of Neolithic farmers who had hardly begun to master copper, that
there were abundant references to iron. The name of it was B’ja,
or the ’Divine Metal.’ We always encounter it in distinctive
context to astronomy. For example, B’ja is frequently mentioned
in the text in connection to the ’Four Sons of Horus,’
presumably related in some way to strange beings known as the
Shemsu Hor, or the ’Followers of Horus,’ or the ’Transfigured
Ones.’ At any rate, these very mysterious ’Sons of Horus’ seem
to have been made of iron or to have had iron fingers. [...] It
is clear that iron was somehow seen by the composers of the
Pyramid Texts as being imperative in the rituals aimed at
ensuring new life cosmic and stellar. The verses of the Texts
connect the metal and its uses to the ancient prototype of all
such rituals by means of which Osiris himself, Egypt’s ’Once and
Future King,’ died and was restored to immortal life as Lord of
the Sky Region of Orion. ’The doors of iron which are in the
starry sky are thrown open for me and I go through them.’ It
appears to be nothing less than an iron stargate intended to
admit Osiris and all the dynasty of dead kings after him into
the celestial realms of the belt of Orion. But, if the Pyramid
Texts are describing a
stargate, they are also describing a
timegate for they express no doubt that by passing through the
iron portals of the sky, the soul of the deceased will attain a
life of millions of years.’
So, they are describing the Pyramid
as a stargate, a timegate, a portal. However, they are doing so
in figurative terms, that the person could mentally travel, or
use this in some way. Could you comment on this bit about the
A: Iron is highly magnetic.
Q: Yes, we know that...
A: Opens doorways or portals.
Q: Were the Egyptians using the Pyramids to travel in time?
A: Maybe in a crude sense, more like an oracle.
Q: They say that there is a subterranean chamber under the
sphinx that leads to all the other pyramids. Is this correct?
A: Yes. But more importantly, there is a buried capsule of
Q: Has this buried capsule been found?
A: Not uncovered, but the evidence exists.
Q: Are those Egyptians over there who are banning all the other
people from excavating aware of this?
A: They fear ramifications.
Q: (L) Now, you said that the pyramid was built 10,643 years
ago. That would be 8,649 BC. Is that a correct figure, or was
there any corruption?
A: Yes. Correct.
Q: Then you talked about the pyramid as a focuser of energy to
do ’all things’ or many things. Later we asked about Stonehenge
and you said that StoneHenge was built 8,000 BC by Druids, an
early Aryan group, as an energy director to do ’all things.’
This seems to be that both structures had similar design
functions. Is that correct?
A: No. Stonehenge is a vector of energy derived from Solar and
Cosmic rays. Pyramids focus electromagnetic energy from the
Q: If it was built in 8,000 BC, and the Pyramids were built
8,649 BC, which is 10,643 years ago, more or less, that means
that they were built at almost the same time, or at least within
600 years of each other. If they were built at almost the same
time, were they built by the same, or similar groups of people?
A: Atlantean descendants.
Q: Obviously the Great Pyramid is a marvel of engineering - and
Stonehenge is as well - yet the two structures are so
dissimilar. The Pyramid presents such a finished and sharp and
elegant appearance, and Stonehenge might give a person - of
course that is based on how it appears today - a more primitive
A: Was not originally.
Q: Did they work in conjunction with one another and did the two
groups that built them in communication with one another?
A: No and yes. Offshoots of same group.
Q: Were they antagonistic toward one another or were they
friendly toward one another?
A: No, yes.
Q: If the flood of Noah, as you have said before, occurred
10,662 BC, that means that the Pyramid and Stonehenge were built
more than 2,000 years after this event.
Q: Did it take 2,000 years for them to develop or create the
Q: What were they doing in those 2,000 years?
Q: In that 2,000 years of reassembling, do you mean reassembling
as a group through reincarnative processes...
A: All. Built using sound wave technology.
Q: When you say that it was built using sound wave technology,
were these sound waves produced by human voices or by
instruments or mechanical devices of some sort?
A: Mostly latter.
Q: What kind of a device would this be? What would you call it?
A: Something like tuning fork.
Q: It would be something that could be struck and would produce
a sound that could then be directed in some way?
A: A sound enhancing collector/focuser. Must be like a two-way
antenna; solidly brass or bronze.
Q: Other than a solid piece of metal, were there any other
internal parts such as a mechanism of some sort?
A: Silicon arterial wand.
Q: (A) Can we see somewhere a picture of this?
A: No pictures exist to where you have access.
Q: (L) Was the pyramid itself ever used as a sounding mechanism,
A: Not exactly.
Q: How many chambers or cells are there in the Great Pyramid?
Q: So, there are some that have not been found yet. Now,
according to this book, the ’Message of the Sphinx,’ they are
saying that the orientation of the pyramid complex which
includes the Sphinx, designates or denotes a time, or replicates
on the ground the pattern of Orion related to the constellation
of Leo exactly 10,500 years ago. What is the significance of
this date 10,500 years ago?
A: Complex, but what about Orion?!?
Q: What about Orion?
A: For you to surmise. No. Now you should study all you can
Q: Okay, there was a mention of a supernovae in this book. Was
there a supernova at that particular time?
A: Maybe, but the real question should be: Will there be one
again, and soon?
Q: They have said that this designates the lowest point of Orion
in the precessional cycle, the nadir of the cycle, and that the midheaven would be 2400 AD. If you have the representation of
this precessional nadir, what is the next ’notch’ on the clock?
Is it going to be the midheaven of the cycle 400 years or so
A: Best not to assume without adequate date.
Q: Okay. Well, the other thing that they mentioned was that this
orientation of the Sphinx and the Pyramids dealt with what is
called ’Zep Tepi.’ It says:
’In their most profound and
beautiful religious texts, the ancient Egyptians spoke of the
Time of the Gods, Zep Tepi, or the First Time, with the
unshakeable conviction that there had indeed been such an epoch.
In other words, they believed that Zep Tepi had been an actual
historical event. In line with their prevailing dualism, they
also believed that it had been projected and recorded in the
catalogue of the starry sky, and it was a story that was
reenacted endlessly in the cosmic setting by the cyclical
displays of the celestial orbs and the constellations. What they
had in mind was a kind of Cosmic Passion Play in which each main
character was identified with a specific celestial body. Zep
Tepi was regarded as a mysterious and golden age that had
immediately followed creation.’
What can you comment about this Zep Tepi? Was
Zep Tepi the time of the first civilization that
had existed immediately after creation?
A: You are pursuing a "dead end" there.
Q: Okay, we will study supernovae.
(A) I have a question: A
piece from Einstein’s biography says that in 1931, Einstein and
Mayer re-formulated Kaluza five dimensional theory, retaining a
four-dimensional space-time. I would like to know if it was a
step back or a step forward when they did this?
A: Step back, then forward.
Q: (A) Next question: three weeks ago you mentioned pentagons
and hexagons. I have here a pentagon and a mathematical formula
under pentagon which for me, relates to a pentagon, and it has
x, y, z, three dimension; time, which is one dimension, and
perhaps the fifth dimension, which corresponds to the fifth. Is
this association of pentagon with this mathematical symbol below
A: Yes. Gravity waves, pentagon is the foundation; hexagon is
Q: (A) I want to go back to this little mathematical formula
here. I have here a plus or minus and I don’t know which sign to
take in front of this field variable. Should it be plus like x,y
and z, or should it be minus, like with t?
Q: (A) Related to these gravity waves, in 1936 Einstein wrote a
paper which was rejected, in which he claims to have discovered
that there are no gravity waves. Should gravity be quantized as
A: It can be.
Q: (A) But, if it is quantized, it will be gravitons, and you
said that there are no gravitons...
A: Gravitons are really electrons within a time vacuum.
Q: (A) Physicists today and for the past 5 or 10 years have been
trying to build a theory of everything which is built on the
idea of strings - that everything is composed of oscillating
strings - they call it SuperString Theory. Is the idea of
strings any good?
Q: (A) Now, in many of these internet papers we find the name of
Bearden. I have here a page:
Utilizing Scalar Electromagnetics
to Tap Vacuum Energy. [Reads abstract] This guy wrote several
books and several papers. Is there any truth in what he is
Q: (A) Is it worthwhile to study?
Q: (A) Is his idea of scalar electromagnetics sound?
Q: (L) Okay, going back to the pyramid. In the
(The Book of The Dead),
when they talk about the ’Boat of Millions of Years,’ what are
they talking about?
A: Time machine.
Q: (L) Who were the ’Followers of Horus?’
A: Those who held the 3rd "insight."
Q: (L) What was the third insight?
A: There are 10. The 3rd involves transcendental existence.
Q: (L) The Pyramid Texts also talk about the ’Duat.’ What is
A: Scene of martyrdom.
Q: (L) They also talk about the ’Seven Sages.’ You once said
that Perceval was ’knighted in the Court of Seven’ and that the
sword’s points signify ’crystal transmitter of truth beholden.’
Do these seven sages relate to this ’Court of Seven’ that you
Q: (L) When you said ’swords points signify crystal transmitter
of truth beholden,’ could you elaborate on that remark?
A: Has celestial meaning.
Q: (L) Also since the layout of the pyramids and the Sphinx
seems to indicate that the constellation of Leo is in some way
very significant, does this relate in any way to your remark
that your ’next stop: Leo,’ that we should ’call Leo?’
A: Getting warmer.
Q: (L) Okay, since you said that the Sphinx symbolized a
religion, or worship of a god named Endurra which just ’fizzled
out,’ how can this be reconciled with the obvious celestial
relationship to this monument and this whole Giza complex. It
seems that there is a far deeper meaning to the Sphinx than just
the worship of a feline principle that just ’fizzled out.’
A: It "fizzled" because the kept secrets faded.
Q: (A) Here is a picture of a pyramid, and they ask what this
hieroglyph means. [Picture of a man pointing to something] What
does it mean?
A: Passage to higher levels.
Q: (L) In the middle of the night the other night as I was going
to sleep, I thought of something that you guys once said about
the Denver airport, TDARM, that both sides can use airports and
that the meaning was ’much, much deeper than that.’ It made me
think of what you had said before about planets and stars being
windows or doorways. Is it possible that there are points in
deep recesses or underground places of our planet where one can
enter a portal and emerge through a portal on another planet or
system. Are the centers of planets and stars the emergences of
wormholes or something?
A: If utilized as such.
Q: (C) So it would have to be intentional. Is anyone utilizing
them as such?
Q: (A) What is so particular about the center of a planet as
opposed to the center of a snowball. Both are balls, one is just
a little bit larger than the other. A planet is a big ball, a
snowball is a small ball.
A: Have you ever tried to melt a planet in your hand?
Q: (A) No, because a planet is a little bit bigger than my hand.
What is so particular about a planet. It is just a piece of
matter like a snowball is a piece of matter.
A: Magnetic field gravity profile.
Q: (L) What is the magnetic field gravity profile?
A: Intensity and... here comes that word... density.
Q: (L) Well, off to the side, just what IS at the core of our
A: Fluid crystalline gas core.
Q: (L) And what is this fluid crystalline gas core composed of?
A: Methane and ammonia.
Q: (L) How does methane and ammonia be crystalline?
A: They can be under the correct magnetic conductivity.
Q: (C) Can the condition found at the core be duplicated on the
surface of the planet?
Q: (C) So you couldn’t achieve the proper magnetic conductivity?
Q: (L) What is so particular about methane and ammonia that it
composes the core?
A: Methane binds to the ammonium crystals.
Q: (L) Well, that’s the bizarrest thing I ever heard!
Q: (L) Well, it’s right up there in the top ten!
(C) Was that
the beginning of the formation of the earth when the methane
bound to the ammonium crystals?
Q: (L) Well, how did it get there?
A: Methane collected at the core after cooling. Buoyancy is
determined by gravitational profile. This is why Jupiter and
Saturn, for example, both of which are less dense than the
Earth, but have immensely stronger gravitational fields, have
atmospheres consisting of ammonia as the dominant gas.
Q: (L) How does this very strange core in the earth relate to
A: Well, the wave is an integral factor of the excitation of the
Q: (L) Are you saying that excitation of these substances
produce gravity waves?
A: Excitation of the environment produces a wave of the
foundational entity of that environment.
Q: (L) What is the foundational entity of the environment of
A: Same as all others. 7th density.
Q: (A) I have a problem with this Saturn and Jupiter. If they
are less dense, but have stronger gravitational fields.
According to what I know their gravitational field is stronger
because they are bigger. So, even though they are less dense,
they have more mass and their gravitational field is stronger.
And that is all.
A: Yes this is true.
Q: (A) Well, they said that this is true what I said...
A: How does what we said conflict with what you said?
Q: (A) What they say, if they are really gasses then the planet
must be bigger, but they say it has a stronger gravity field
because of that.
A: No, no, no. We did not say it has a stronger gravity field
because of that. Review, please!
Q: (C) Okay, buoyancy. I guess that if we were to walk on
Jupiter or Saturn we would be more or less buoyant than on the
(L) Now wait a minute. We were asking about this core,
and we were curious as to how this methane could be at the core
because we perceive methane as being ’fluffy,’ or buoyant...
But it is bound to the ammonium crystals...
(L) And they said
that buoyancy was determined by gravitational profile. Jupiter
and Saturn have atmospheres consisting of ammonia as the
dominant gas because buoyancy is determined by gravitational
(C) What does buoyancy have to do with the binding of
methane and ammonia or with the gravitational profile.
is HUGELY confusing! What is the gravitational profile of
Jupiter or Saturn, for example, as contrasted to the
gravitational profile of the Earth?
A: They are much stronger gravitationally.
Q: (L) Is this gravitational profile of Jupiter and Saturn
related in a direct way to the ammonia?
Q: (C) Why didn’t their ammonia bind with the methane and sink
to the core?
A: Because density affects buoyancy.
Q: (L) The buoyancy of what?
A: The gases.
Q: (L) Why are they less dense?
A: Because of their size juxtaposed with their environment
relative to their distance from Sol.
Q: (L) Why did the
impact of the comet Shoemacher-Levy, in this
ammonia environment produce superluminal effects that were
measured on these instruments by these Russian scientists?
A: Ponder based upon what we have given you. Now refer to your
knowledge base regarding microdynamic atomic physics.
Q: (A) I want to ask about this macrodynamics. In
we have Planck’s constant and it is very small, and this is why
we have quantum jumps and quantum events in microdynamics. But
there is this concept of macrodynamics, perhaps we have
probability waves and quantum jumps on a macro scale. This is
something which we don’t know...
Q: (A) So there is something like Planck’s Constant but much
bigger that converts on a macro scale?
A: Something like that. And if this is food for thought, you
have been presented with a veritable feast tonight.
Q: (A) At some point we were asking about this magnetic grid of
the earth, and we were told that the grid lines are located
about every 200 miles, and that it is a regular pattern of
A: Yes, but those are primary. What happens at the poles?
Q: (A) At the poles, these lines converge, and the pattern
becomes more complex, I suspect.
Q: (A) Okay, they converge at the poles, and probably go inside.
A: In atmosphere, there is undulation. At core, there is primary
convergence, and that is also your doorway/bridge.
Q: (A) Core of the Earth?
Q: (A) These lines that are being drawn, are they just one
dimensional lines, or are they a plane that crosses the Earth
along these lines?
Q: (A) Well, I wanted to make sure because, when we were
directed to this place and the term ’magnetic meridian’ was
brought up, and we asked the question as to where the zero
magnetic meridian was located, we were told that it was at about
90 degrees East longitude which is in the Indian Ocean. Is this
A: All those lovely, shimmering oceans intersect around a lovely
island with really inexpensive real estate!
Q: (A) I have no idea what that means! [Laura stops and gets the
Atlas and examines the area in question.]
(L) Okay, the only
island I can see that those lovely shimmering oceans intersect
around, in the terms in which you have expressed it, is
Q: (A) Okay, this brings us to the question about
the Piri Reis
map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?
A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.
Q: (A) Atlantis?
Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by
Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice?
(A) Because the climate
A: Technologically achieved.
Q: (L) Why would somebody want to technologically warm
Antarctica if the whole rest of the planet was available for
use? What is so special about Antarctica?
A: The whole rest of the planet was available for use? Not
Q: (L) Why was the rest of the planet not available for use?
Q: (A) Much of the planet was covered by ice, but not all.
Q: (L) So, instead of using the areas that were NOT covered by
ice, why, in particular, was Antarctica...
Q: (L) What I am getting at is: why go to all the trouble to
thaw out a whole big island if it might have been easier to have
been somewhere else?
A: Is it not obvious by now? Magnetic power grid physics.
utilization. Crystals, and the like. Seeking paths to the
interior? The "Poles" know best! EM generators usually employ a
grid. ’Tis for field creation
Q: (A) When you say this, you mean A grid, not THE grid?
A: Yes. Looks like a waffle iron.
Q: (A) You mean like a waffle iron that is used in transformers?
A: Okay. Why? To duplicate nature. Earth has a web, and so doeth
Q: (A) Now,
Earth’s grid is just an imaginary grid related to
field, or just a mathematic grid... no, it must really exist....
Q: (A) If it really exists, is it a field of grid, or is it a
grid made out of some matter, like these waffle irons? Just
field, or matter?
A: Both. The iron is attracted, not attractive.
Q: (A) Okay, I want to ask about the Whittaker papers of 1903,
about solutions of wave equations, and this relates to this
Bearden who is talking about
anti-gravity and zero point energy
devices. At some point, you told us that there was something in
this. Bearden speculates that this Whittaker’s ideas were
useful. I obtained copies and I am studying them, and they are
quite interesting.. Is this something that is worthwhile or
another red herring?
A: No. They are worth it.
Q: (A) Recently, by a strange chance, I was pointed to a guy in
Brazil who wrote some papers about superluminal waves. He writes
a lot of papers about it... and he even says that he believes
that superluminal waves can be used technologically pretty soon.
Any comment this particular guy, is he on the right track?
Q: (A) What about quaternions? Lord Hamilton invented
quaternions, and this Bearden tells us that Maxwell wrote his
equation using these quaternions, and his original papers are
hidden from us by the government; that Maxwell knew more than we
are told. Is this really the case?
Q: (A) Are these quaternions useful?
A: Partly, but there is a missing link.
Q: (A) Sure. Now, I was thinking today about this Whittaker
discovery, and whether I should work on linking it to the
pentagons and hexagons. Is it the missing link? Or, did you mean
another missing link?
A: Well, linking the geometric factors you speak of is wise, but
there are other links missing as well.
Q: My first question is regarding this diagram of the pyramid
here and this second diagram of the pyramid as we know it and
this book about the pyramid where it says:
’In 1974 the Danish
professor, Hubert Paulsen, a retired architect, announced
following extensive research within the pyramid, his theory that
an undiscoverd chamber existed, probably beneath its
foundations. He based his theory on the geometric principle upon
which the pyramid was built. This chamber may have been the pharoah’s tomb and may contain treasures even more remarkable
than those found in Tutanhamen’s tomb.’
Anyway, this was a 1974
study of the pyramid. This is the only 1974 study I have come
across since you suggested that we look for something done in
1974 regarding the pyramid, though you mentioned an ’engineer,’
so I was first thinking that it must be Robert Beauval’s work,
since he is an engineer. I suppose that an architect could be a
sort of engineer. Is this the study that you had in mind?
A: Paulsen could use further perusal.
Q: Of these two diagrams of the interior of the pyramid, this
one was taken from a booklet published in 1861 which describes a
great cavity in the center of the pyramid. When people were
visiting the pyramid at that point in time, was this, in fact,
the configuration of the interior of the pyramid?
Q: Is it still configured that way but that portion of it is
blocked off or concealed from visitors at the present?
Q: Do the present excavators and archaeologists and workers over
there know about these other chambers in the pyramid?
Q: Is there a large chamber under the pyramid concealing some
sort of artifacts?
Q: Is this a treasure or is this information?
Q: Are the people who are working in or around the pyramid at
the present time aware of this deeply hidden underground chamber
in the pyramid?
A: Only a few.
Q: There is one woman whose writings are posted on the internet
and she claims that the pyramid is a ’great clock’ and that it
would ’reset the time’ of the planet.
Q: Well, she claims that she has been given information that
there once existed some kind of a great gear or wheel that was
set in the Grand Gallery and that it would roll or something in
the notches found there. If that is not the case, what were
these notches for?
A: Levelling principle.
Q: Levelling of what? They were used to set a level of
something? When something was put in the notches, it set the
level of something?
Q: Was what was placed in these notches, these holes some type
of a bar-type object that crossed the gallery from side to side?
A: You do not have the base data yet. Be patient. It will come
Q: What is the base data?
A: Clues will lead you there, not proclamations.
Q: I would just like to have some sort of visual image of what
was placed in this gallery...
A: We know you would.
Q: Everybody in the world is posting crazy, bizarre theories on
the internet, and writing these elaborate web pages about their
visions and their information from other ’sources,’ and that the
pyramid is a giant bell, or a clock that resets time, and so on
Q: Fine with Hoagland! He was on the radio the other night
Leedskallen moved his Coral Castle because he wanted
to align it with Hoagland’s proposed theory about the Miami
circle. That is clearly foolishness since Hilliard told us the
whole inside story about the moving of the Coral Castle as it
was told to him directly by Leedskallen, and that it was because
of some county regulatory reasons. Yet Hoagland is out there
trying to squeeze even THAT into his ideas! I think he is just
capitalizing on the publicity! I mean, Hoagland and a whole slew
of them are out there asking for "scientific attention." We sent
two faxes from the University offering to become involved, even
at risk of losing face in the mainstream scientific community;
the offer was free - no strings attached - and we did not even
receive the courtesy of a "thanks very much, but we already have
A: Whatever else you find true about Hoagland, just remember
that genius resides adjacent to insanity!
Q: (A) What is the meaning of this remark about
A: Some of his stuff may be "poppycock," but some is right on
the money, honey!
Q: (L) Well, what did Hoagland ever say about the pyramid?
He said that the way the Coral Castle was built was the same way
the pyramid was built.
(L) Well, we know that because Leedskallen said that himself! That’s not news. Hoagland talks
about this 19.5 degree latitude line and this double
tetrahedron, but I don’t know how that relates to something that
is located at about 29 degrees of latitude such as the pyramid.
That’s about 10 degrees off. Has Hoagland ever opined about the
A: Look it up!
Q: Okay. We will. But there’s only so many hours in the day! We
don’t have time to waste pussyfooting around.
Q: (A) Now, next question relates to the story of creation which
L wrote for the website, and I was reading it and trying to make
sense, to make it not contradictory, and I found that it is not
easy because many of the concepts that are used during these
sessions are somehow contradictory to each other or they don’t
quite fit with the standard meanings of these concepts, so I
wanted to ask for some explanation. First, we were told that
gravity is essentially the most universal force and that it is
from this that everything originates...
A: Gravity is the binder.
Q: (A) But, my question is: gravity is a term that is defined in
dictionaries and encyclopedias and is a term which has a very
precise meaning for physicists and mathematicians. I want to
know if you are talking about the same thing or if you are using
the term ’gravity’ to describe something completely different
that we know as gravity. Are we talking about the same thing?
A: Well, are you certain these "definitions" you speak of are
Q: (A) Yes, I am sure they are limited. Nevertheless, they are
precisely defined concepts and you are using the same term
’gravity,’ so I am asking if we are talking about the same
thing, or if you are talking about something completely
A: How about a great expansion upon the same concept?
Q: (A) Okay. That answered my question. So, we are using the
same thing, but for you it is more adequate or so. Now, I want
to ask about mathematical modelling of gravity. The gravity that
we know about is modelled by geometry of a curved space. Is the
gravity that you are talking about, which is an expansion of
this concept, capable of being modelled in a similar way: by
A: Geometry is the correct model.
Q: (A) Now, the question is: if gravity can be modelled in this
way - geometry is the correct model - what do we need more to
model also consciousness? Will it be automatically implied in
such a model of gravity, or is it something extra?
A: Consciousness is contained within the expanded realization of
the gravity model. The model, if completed, would give one an
insight into the synchronous relationship between gravity and
Q: (A) If gravity is modelled by curvature or torsion of
geometry, mathematically, how would consciousness come out of
A: That is a broken question. What we can say is this: if one
could visualize the inverted representation of the gravity
geometric model, one would be squarely on the path to
understanding the geometric model of consciousness.
Q: (A) Now, there are claims, more or less, shared by many
scientists that quantum theory is necessary to model or
understand consciousness. From what was said before, it seems
that quantum theory is not necessary, that it is sufficient to
have the right geometric model of extended gravity.
A: No, not extended, expanded.
Q: (A) Does that mean that quantum theory is irrelevant for
understanding the modelling of consciousness?
A: Quantum first needs to be graduated from the realm of theory.
Proving is a concept we should now be moving beyond. The
currently imposed protocol for "proving" theories is a bit
we think. Can you imagine trying to fly a plane if you must
first prove that there is a sky?
Q: (C) So, don’t try to prove quantum theory, just go ahead and
use it, I guess.
A: Pretty close.
Q: (A) Are you laughing at quantum theory?
A: No. We are laughing at 3rd density scientific protocol!
Q: (A) Okay, we are coming to densities. But, before that, one
more question: what is matter? How is matter built out of
gravity? What forms of gravity correspond to matter in terms of
the geometric model?
A: First of all, you live in a "matter" universe, from your
perspective. There is an accompanying energy universe which you
largely are unable to perceive as of yet.
Q: (A) But, my question was ...
A: Who/what is Mandlebrot??
Q: (A) Okay, you are talking about fractals now, certainly...
A: Are we?
Q: (A) Mandlebrot is the name of a French mathematician who is
famous because he discovered fractals and some laws that govern
fractals and chaos. But, as to ’what’ - some fractal images are
also called ’mandlebrot.’
A: And where does this lead, Ark?
Q: (A) That brings us to fractal properties of space time and
A: What if matter were the "half-life" of energy?
Q: (C) What if energy decays into matter? Is that what they are
A: Be careful of the quotemarks, they bring you to the
crossroads. As in: "you take the high road, I’ll take the low
road, and I’ll be in Scotland before ye."
Q: (L) I guess that means that we are not to use the usual
interpretation of ’half-life,’ but that there is a pun, a clue
intended here that is to be deciphered.
A: Look folks, we cannot just spill the secrets of all existence
all over this board, but we sure can open the doorways, yeah.
Q: (L) That brings me to a little question that I want to insert
here. You have said that
Service to Others means ’giving all to
those who ask.’ We are asking, so why aren’t you giving all?
A: Not quite. Cannot abridge free will!
Q: (L) Well, my free will says that I want all the secrets of
existence! I mean, other people are channeling sources that just
dump endless answers to anything and everything...
A: Other people are channeling ________..
Q: (C) It’s a new breakfast cereal!
(A) Now, the two main
concepts that we are using are dimensions and densities. Again,
you use the concept of dimension in not quite the way physicists
and mathematicians use it.
Q: (A) Well, I have no idea what this phi is doing here which is
probably related to Fibonacci and the Golden Ratio...
Q: (A) Yet, still there is my question about dimensions.
not an integer number and we will look into it. But, what I said
was that the way you are using the term ’dimensions’ is not what
physicists are familiar with in using this term.
A: The trouble here is with semantics: the general public uses
that word to mean different things from the physicists!
Q: (C) Okay, phi is a Greek letter but I don’t see how that is
A: No, not phi, dimensions!
Q: (A) I have tried to guess what you mean by dimensions from
all the things that you have said about it...
A: Our "meaning" is closer to that of the general public
Q: (A) Very good, yet you have said certain things in a context
that was more related to the structure of the universe. And we
were talking about dimensions also in the context of Kaluza-Klein
theories. At one point, you said there are infinitely many
dimensions, and at another point it was implied that different
dimensions meant different universes, which would mean that
there are infinitely many universes. I would like to represent
these dimensions in some mathematical model. My idea was that
these dimensions were like slices; and each slice is a universe
and, indeed, there are infinitely many possible slices. So, that
was my idea of dimensions: slices. Is it correct?
A: That is good.
Q: (A) There are infinitely many dimensions because there are
infinitely many slices. Now we come to densities. There are not
infinitely many densities, there are only seven. Or, are these
seven just for the general public and there are really
infinitely many of them as well?
Q: (A) Good. So, there are seven densities. Now, how come, there
are seven, and not three or five, or eleven? Does it follow from
A: What form of mathematical theory best describes the concept
Q: (L) Algebra.
(A) So, I had the idea that these seven
densities were related to what Gurdjieff relates to the number
of laws that apply in the various densities; the higher the
density, the fewer the laws that apply, which means there is
A: That is very close. Consciousness is the key here.
Q: (A) Yes, so my question relates to the geometric model of
gravity and consciousness.
A: Picture an endless octagonal... in three dimensions.
Q: (A) A lattice, you mean?
Q: (A) Are these densities related to the mathematical concept
of ’signatures of the metric?’ I would like to model densities
with slices of different geometric properties, in particular
slices with different properties of the distance.
Q: (A) There are several people who essentially think the same
direction as we have been discussing... they are almost on the
same track. Matti Pitkanen is one of them and Tony Smith is the
other. How can these two guys have these similar ideas without
having access to channeling?
A: Who said they they have no access to channeling? Some channel
without knowing it.
Q: (A) Today, on this list there was a guy by the name of
who talks about his shamanistic experiences in talking to rocks.
He doesn’t sound whacko, but he talks to these stones on a daily
basis and these stones talk to him, and these rocks have
consciousness, they have memories. I wrote to him, but I would
like to know if his experiences are authentic and not just his
A: That is a very broad question, which assumes limits or
barriers where none may exist.
Q: (L) Is anyone able to tune into the consciousness of rocks?
A: What if they are really tuning to a consciousness through the
Q: (A) To A consciousness? Whose consciousness or what
consciousness? Universal consciousness?
Q: (A) Another consciousness.
(L) Do rocks have consciousness?
A: Refer to material re: 1st density.
Q: (L) Yes, well it has been previously said that 1st density
does have consciousness... that even rocks have consciousness
and can learn. That brings us back to Boyd, is he, can he, does
he tune into the consciousness of rocks and/or other
consciousnesses THROUGH rocks?
A: The latter is closer.
Q: (L) So, the consciousness of a rock might not be amenable to
Q: (L) What other consciousness might a person tune into through
a rock? ANY other or a specific other?
A: Closer to former.
Q: (A) If there is consciousness, it means that there is a
consciousness unit, and this conscious unit can be within or
associated with some body of some density. Can one tune to
consciousness that resides, so to say, in higher densities than
third, using rocks? Is it possible?
Q: (A) So, you can tune to dead dudes or Cassiopaeans.
the consciousness of human beings something that has cycled from
minerals to plants through animals to evolve into consciousness
of 3rd density mind, as we understand it?
A: In a roundabout way.
Q: (L) Was each of us, sitting here, at any point in the remote
past, using time loosely, a critter, so to speak, or a plant or
A: You still be a critter, baby!
Q: (L) So, leaving out time, the stream of consciousness that
makes us as individual units, branches out and extends into
lower densities, or connects to them like a tree?
Q: (A) Concerning these rocks, I want to ask about this
phantom effect that some Russians recently discovered. They
shoot with lasers into this vaccum and record photons with
detectors. It detects noise because there is nothing coherent.
Then, they put a little piece of DNA there. This DNA has a
certain regular structure. So, the photons from the lasers
scatter from this DNA molecule in a certain wavy pattern which
corresponds to the internal structure of the DNA. Now, they
remove the DNA and for a month or two they continue to obtain a
coherent pattern from the vacuum as though something was still
there. They call it the ’phantom DNA.’
A: The "phantom" is a remnant of the consciousness residue
contained within the DNA structure.
Q: (A) Where does this remnant reside? In the vacuum, in the
vibrations of the vacuum, in a gravitational field that is
inside the vacuum, in some nonlinear electromagnetics? Where is
this remnant? What keeps it? Space itself?
A: You hit it pretty close with the last three.
Q: (C) Wouldn’t it be like leaving an impression in a cushion?
(A) Yes, but this is a vacuum.
(L) I guess that a vacuum isn’t what
we think it is. There is something there that is not amenable to
(A) So, consciousness resides in a DNA
(C) Well, going back to the rocks,
is not all consciousness connected?
(A) Yes, but the funny thing about
these rocks is that they have the ability of tuning one
consciousness to another consciousness so that even if, in
principle, all consciousness is one consciousness, yet there are
separate consciousness units, which at some level they connect,
yet at our level they seem to be separate, so there is something
(C) Maybe its the fact that they are
(A) Yes. But, it seems that a rock
would do it, but dirt would not, so what is so special about
(L) Okay, this anthropologist,
Michael Harner, was doing some field work, and it says here that
Harner went to the Peruvian Amazon to study the culture of the Conibo Indians. After a year or so he had made little headway in
understanding their religious system, when the Conibo told him ’if he really wanted to learn, he had to drink
Harner accepted, not without fear because the people had warned
him that the experience was terrifying. The following evening,
under the strict supervision of his indigenous friends, he drank
the equivalent of a third of a bottle. After several minutes he
found himself flying into a world of true hallucinations. After
arriving in a celestial cavern where a supernatural carnival of
demons was in full swing, he saw two strange boats floating
through the air that combined to form a huge dragon headed prow
not unlike that of a Viking ship. On the deck he could make out
large numbers of people with the heads of bluejays and the
bodies of humans, not unlike the bird-headed gods of ancient
Egyptian tomb paintings. After multiple episodes, which would be
too long to describe here, Harner became convinced that he was
dying. He tried calling out to his Conibo friends for an
antidote without managing to pronounce a word. Then he saw that
his visions emanated from giant reptilian creatures that resided
at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began
projecting scenes in front of his eyes while informing him that
this information was reserved for the dying and the dead.
’First, they showed me the planet Earth as it was aeons ago
before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land,
and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by
the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape.
I could see that the specks were actually large, shiny black
creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like
bodies. They explained to me in a kind of thought language, that
they were fleeing from something from out in space. They had
come to the planet earth to escape their enemy. The creatures
then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order
to hide within the multitudinous forms, and thus disguise their
presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal
creation and speciation and hundreds of millions of years of
activity, took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible
to describe. I learned that dragon-like creatures were thus
inside all forms of life, including man.’
At this point in his
account, Harner writes in a footnote at the bottom of the page:
’in retrospect, one could say that they were
almost like DNA,
although at that time, in 1961, I knew nothing of DNA.’
would like to know what was the source and nature of these
nearly universal visions that occurs in these shamanistic
practices; the various creatures including serpents and
bird-headed dudes, and so forth? What is the source of these
A: Be more specific.
Q: (C) In these chemically induced trances, why is there the
common experience of seeing these bird-headed or serpent-like
A: While you have physicality, some part of you will maintain
the connection to its roots.
Q: (L) Are you saying that all these people who say that human
beings have reptilian genetics, are telling the truth? Do we
have reptilian genetics?
Q: (L) Do we also have bird genetics?
Q: (L) And that is our physical connection or basis?
A: Yes, as third density bioengineered beings, you lead the
smorgasbord parade of that which surrounds you in the physical