Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that
Richard Hoagland has discovered?
Q: (T) What did they use these structures for?
A: Energy transfer points for crystalline power/symbolism as in
monuments or statuary.
Q: (T) What statuary are you referring to?
A: Example is face.
Q: (T) What power did these crystals gather?
Q: (T) Was it necessary for them to have power gathering
stations on Mars and the Moon. Did this increase their power?
A: Not necessary but it is not necessary for you to have a
million dollars either. Get the correlation? Atlanteans were
power hungry the way your society is money hungry.
Q: (T) Was the accumulation of this power what brought about
Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?
A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will
Q: (L) Who built the great pyramid?
Q: (L) What year was it built?
A: 10643 years ago.
Q: (L) Why was it built? What purpose was it used for?
A: Capture cosmic energy.
Q: (L) And what was this cosmic energy used for once it was
A: Many things. Power, transport, healing, mind control,
Q: (L) Who built the sphinx?
Q: (L) Was the sphinx built at the same time?
Q: (L) Why was the sphinx built? What was its purpose?
Q: (L) Are there records buried under the sphinx?
Q: (L) Was the story of Noahís flood the story of the breaking
up of Atlantis?
A: Yes. But symbolic.
Q: (L) How many people were on the planet at that time?
A: 6 billion.
Q: (L) Out of this six billion people, how many survived?
A: 119 million.
Q: (L) Was Noahís flood caused by the close passage of another
Q: (L) Which body was that?
Q: (L) Do we know this body in our solar system now?
Q: (L) What name?
Q: (L) Was Martek an inhabited planet at that time?
Q: (L) Did it have water or other features?
Q: (L) When it passed close to the earth did it, in fact,
overload our planet with water we did not have prior to that
Q: (L) Did we, prior to that time, have a water-vapor canopy
surrounding our planet?
Q: (L) What event transpired to kill off most of the dinosaurs?
A: Comet impact.
Q: (L) Did a comet actually strike the earth?
Q: (L) Was it a large comet?
Q: (L) How large?
A: No one was large enough for event. 14 hit at that occasion.
Q: (L) How large was the largest one that impacted at that time?
A: 18 miles diameter.
Q: (L) Did it happen before the flood of Noah?
Q: (L) How many thousands of years ago counting backward?
A: 27 million years ago.
Q: (L) Now, the general scientific opinion is that the major
dying of dinosaurs occurred 65 million years ago. You have given
us the figure 27 million years ago. Can you explain the
A: Radio carbon dating is not exact science.
Q: (A) By your figures, Carbon dating is incorrect by a factor
of at least two prior to 10,000 years as L has suggested? We
observe, on a number of occasions, a factor of 2 variation in
the scientific dating versus your dating. This is a repeating
phenomenon on nearly all dates you have given.
A: "They" fail to take into effect the influence of magnetic
aberrations caused by ancient cataclysms.
Q: (L) How can these magnetic aberrations affect radiocarbon
A: By altering the isotopal imprints of matter.
Q: So, the cataclysm of about 1500 B.C....
A: All of them scramble the radiological data because of
Q: (L) Was
Velikovsky correct when he said Venus was on a 52
year orbit during a certain period in our history?
Q: (L) How many passes did Venus make through the solar system
before it was precipitated into a regular planetary orbit?
Q: (L) Where did Venus originally come from?
A: 19 light years away.
Q: (L) So, it is actually an extra-solar system visitor?
Q: (L) Is it true that at regular intervals the sun radiates
massive amounts of electromagnetic energy which then causes the
planets of the solar system to interact with one another to a
greater or lesser extent, even to the extent of disturbing their
A: Other irregular pulsations determined by external vibrational
Q: (L) The sun is not the source of the periodicity of "dyings",
is that correct?
A: Sometimes. Many causes.
Q: (L) Well what is the cause that recurs like clockwork? Is
there some cause that is a regular pulsation?
A: Cometary showers.
Q: (L) Where are these cometary showers from?
A: Clusters in own orbit.
Q: (L) What is the periodicity or cycle to this comet business?
A: 3600 years roughly.
Q: (L) Where is the orbit of these clusters? Is it the Oort
Q: (L) Does this cluster of comets orbit around the sun?
Q: (L) Is this cluster of comets the remains of a planet?
Q: (L) Is the cluster of fragments in between the orbits of Mars
and Jupiter the remains of a planet?
Q: (L) What was that planet known as?
Q: (L) When did that planet break apart into the asteroid belt.
A: 79 thousand years ago approximately.
Q: (L) What body were the Sumerians talking about when they
described the Planet of the crossing or Nibiru? This body of
Q: (L) Who were
Q: (L) Where were they from?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is
approaching to sap the souls energy created by the fear, chaos
and so forth?
Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?
Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?
Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so
to speak, approaching our planet?
Q: (L) Where are these ships from?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
Q: (L) When will they arrive?
A: 1 month to 18 years.
Q: (L) How can there be such a vast discrepancy in the time?
A: This is such a huge fleet that space/time warping is
irregular and difficult to determine as you measure time. Mass
affects electromagnetic transfer within gravity wave. Mass
affects time cycle: small equal short cycle; large or dense
equals long cycle. It is a large fleet.
Q: (L) How many planets are in our solar system?
Q: (L) Could you tell us the names of all the planets, their
distances from the sun, the chemical composition, and the
Mercury=Opatanar, 36 million
miles from Sun; 3000 mi diameter.
Venus=Pemuntar, 67 million miles
from Sun; 7,500 mi. diameter.
Earth=Saras, 93 million miles
from Sun; 7,900 mi. dia.
Mars=Masar, 141,500,000 miles
from Sun; 4,200 mi. dia.
miles from Sun; 88,700 dia.
Saturn=Zendar, 886,700,000 miles
from Sun; 74,500 dia.
miles from Sun; 31,566 diameter.
miles from Sun; 30,199 dia.
3,666,100,000 miles from Sun; 1,864 dia.
miles from Sun; solid matter; 7000 miles dia.
830,000,000,000 miles from Sun; 18000 miles diameter;
1,600,000,000,000 miles from Sun; 46000 miles diameter;
Q: (L) Is Martek an ancient human
name for Mars or is it an Alien designation?
A: Combination of both as were many things at various levels of
the development of your history.
Q: (L) The remark was made that the planet earth, prior to its
interaction with Martek, had a water vapor canopy. How was this
water vapor canopy suspended?
A: The water vapor canopy was a natural element of the
particular composition of your atmosphere at that particular
measure point in space/time.
Q: (L) Was the gravity level the same as what it is now?
A: It was somewhat different. But not perceptible to you. That
difference is part of the explanation of why that vapor canopy
Q: (L) Did that condition prior to the flood of Noah, the
altered gravitational state as well as the water vapor canopy,
was that condition more conducive to extended life spans than
the conditions that exist on the planet now?
A: Not only those things but all the other conditions that
existed on the planet at that particular point in space/time
were more conducive to longer life spans. And, by the way, Noah
is a symbolic message rather than an historical event.
Q: (L) Do you mean a historical event in the terms of Noah being
in an ark or historical event in terms of the flood?
A: First of all, there was no Noah. Secondly there was no actual
real flood as depicted in that story. Thirdly, the whole story
was a symbolic message as opposed to an actual event.
Q: (L) What did actually occur and what does the symbolism have
to tell us?
A: It is a very broad representation. It simply means that there
was a cataclysmic event that did envelop the whole planet at
that time and that those that were ready to experience that as
part of their soul development without exiting the body, were
warned ahead of time. But not by trying to manipulate events,
but by simply allowing faith to let them acquire knowledge and
being naturally drawn into position to experience what they
needed to experience to survive the event.
Q: (L) At that time was Martek drawn close to the earth and did
it have water on its surface which the earth then robbed or
A: That is very close to being the case. It is far more
complicated than that so we will leave that at this time.
Q: (L) How many years ago did the flood of Noah occur?
Q: (L) What land did this symbolic Noah live in, what continent?
Q: (L) Where did the majority of the symbolic íNoahsí go to
after the receding of the waters?
A: Egypt. Americas. Reference: Inca. Aztec. Maya. Hopi Tribe.
Q: (L) What caused Martek to pass close to the earth at that
time since that was many thousands of years before the Venus
A: Planetary alignment gravitational aberration related to
Q: (L) So, there was a planetary line-up that caused Mars to be
pulled out of its orbit?
Q: (L) What was the event a hundred or so years after the flood
of Noah that was described as the confusing of languages, or the
tower of Babel?
A: Spiritual confluence. Electromagnetic concentration of all
Q: (L) And what did they intend to do with these concentrated
A: Mind alteration of masses.
HAARP assembly was a continuation
Montauk project which is an effort to resurrect
Antlantean crystal principle.
Q: (L) Do they plan to actually attempt to bring up the
Q: (L) Do they plan to use this for mind control?
A: And other uses.
Q: (L) What intention did they have in altering the mind of the
Q: (L) What is the true meaning, the original meaning, of the
Hebrew word "shem"?
Q: (L) Why was this word related to the obelisks or standing
stones later called "shems" by the Hebrews?
A: Symbolic of purity: unification. Uniformity.
Q: (L) Did these stones themselves actually possess any power?
Q: (L) What object were the ancients going to place in the tower
of Babel to...
Q: (L) Is "shem" also synonymous with "crystal"?
Q: (L) How were Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed and the other
cities of the plain? And by whom?
Nuclear; EM pulse. Who else?
Q: (L) The STS Orion gang?
Q: (L) Why?
A: To implant fear and obedience.
Q: (L) Werenít the Sodom and Gomorrans really evil and bad doing
sodomy and Gomorrahy?
A: That is a deception of history.
Q: (L) Who were the original inhabitants of the city of Jericho?
Q: (L) There was a stone tower at one of the lower levels, what
was it built for?
A: Energy disbursement. Attempt to duplicate tower of Babel and
Atlantean crystal towers.
Q: (T) Are the crystals still active?
Q: (L) And what does that crystal do? Is it continuously active?
A: No. Erratic.
Q: (L) What activates it? And when it is activated, what does it
A: Many factors. Transdimensional window is blasted open.
Q: (L) Say a person was sailing along in the Bermuda Triangle
and the window was blasted open and these people passed through
or were engulfed in it or whatever, in what condition would they
A: Something akin to suspended animation.
Q: (L) Would they be conscious of their state of suspended
animation or would their consciousness also be suspended?
A: Either or.
Q: (L) Do they stay in this state forever, or do they come back
out, or do they come out somewhere else?
A: Open. All are possible. Same thing happened to
Q: (L) If an individual were in this interdimensional state of
suspended animation, does this mean they are stuck there
A: Maybe. To them they may perceive something like waiting for
millions of years.
Q: (L) Is there no one or no way to rescue them from this state?
A: Why do you think those sailors were hopelessly insane?
Q: (L) Besides the crystal in the Bermuda Triangle, are any of
the others still active?
Q: (L) Where are the others located?
A: Off Japan; in Brazil; in Ural mountains of Russia; North and
Q: (T) Are the ones on the Moon and Mars active also?
Q: (L) What were the physical dimensions of these crystals and
were they cut or naturally grown?
A: Varied in size; were synthetic.
Q: (L) Were they faceted?
Q: (L) In their faceting, what was the general configuration?
Q: (L) Was that a pyramid with the same proportions as say, the
Great Pyramid at Giza?
Q: (L) Where is the Bermuda Triangle crystal located?
A: 380 miles due East of you.
Q: (L) Some years ago a pilot reported seeing a pyramid near
there in the water...
A: That is just the top sticking out of the ocean floor. It is
90 per cent buried.
Q: (L) How come this crystal didnít shatter or break up during
the subsidence of Atlantis?
A: Extraordinarily strong. An atomic bomb would not shatter it.
The chain reaction of a thermonuclear explosion would be
absorbed into the crystal and transferred into pure energy. That
relates to the design function.
Q: (L) And then what would happen?
A: Energy dispersal unless focused as engineered by the
Q: (L) What kind of power frequency did these crystals use?
A: Full range.
Q: (J) When higher density forces of dark and light are
fighting, is it any way at all possible for us to detect the
A: First: We donít "fight." Second, yes; itís nature as in
meteorology and earth changes.
Q: (T) Your form of confrontation takes the form of physical
changes in the atmosphere and environment of the planet?
A: And in space.
Q: (T) But that is how we detect it? The more activity, the more
conflict is going on?
A: Remember, we are the light. They are the dark. We are both
high level thought forms reflected at all levels of reality.
Q: (T) So, what we perceive, then, is what comes through to
third density which is not what we would perceive if we were
looking at it from 4th or 5th or 6th. It manifests in all
densities, but in different ways?
Q: (T) Does this have anything to do with what Hoagland is
referring to when he talks about the tetrahedral form he has
detected from the Martian structures he has been studying?
A: Yes. This is a bridge to 4th density.
Q: (L) What are Marsí moons?
A: Disguised bases.
Q: (L) Who built them?
A: Who else? The Lizzies.
Q: (L) The film I saw at Aís house, the Mars landing, was that
an actual film of a Mars landing?
Q: (L) Has there been a human landing on Mars by the United
States as is claimed by various sources?
Q: (L) Did
AB work on the Philadelphia project as he claims?
Q: (L) Was he brainwashed to have fake outrageous memories?
Q: (L) Is he lying deliberately?
A: Instructed by government for disinformation dissemination.
Q: (L) We talked at one point, I believe, of the tetrahedral
structures of the various planets and our perceptions of the
planets in our solar system, and these matrices being almost
like a doorway to another density, and that if we were in the
proper dimensional mode that we would see the other planets of
our own solar system quite differently from how we see them in
our third density mode, and that we would, in fact, be able to
look upon Venus, which manifests in 3rd density as a pretty
hellish place, with temperatures 900 degrees or thereabouts, and
we would find it to be something else altogether with beings
inhabiting it, is this correct.
A: Yes. Beings live absolutely everywhere in one realm or
Q: (L) Are the beings who live on the planet Venus aware of us
on the planet Earth?
Q: (L) Are there beings also living on Mars?
Q: (L) Are they aware of us?
Q: (L) Are the beings on all the other planets in our solar
system aware of us here, on planet Earth?
A: Yes, because they are all of higher density.
Q: (T) Are they interacting with us?
A: Okay, stop, whoa! A review session follows: Who is 1st
Q: (L) Rocks and minerals, right?
Q: (L) Plants?
A: Yes. Now, what awareness do you suppose they have of you?
Q: (T) When we ask why higher beings have awareness of us but we
are not aware of them, we need to ask what awareness beings
lower than us have of us.
(J) Obviously no more than we have of
(T) But when you play music to a plant, it has some
awareness because it makes it grow better.
(L) But music is not
(T) Itís an energy wave.
(J) Wait a minute... what they
are saying is: they have no more awareness of us than we, as 3rd
density beings, have of 4th density beings.
(T) Does this mean
that they interact with us the way we interact with plants?
A: Who is "on" 2nd level.
Q: (L) Animals.
(T) Insects, lower life forms.
A: Now, think carefully, what level of awareness, and more
importantly, understanding, do they have of you?
Q: (L) Well, I guess they are aware of us in some way, but they
donít understand us...
(F) But their understanding is entirely
different from our understanding of them. In other words, they
see these big hulking beings, but they donít know whatís going
(L) Was Ouspenskyís explanation of how animals perceive
humans very close to the truth?
A: Close. Now, what about 1st level understanding and perception
of 2nd level?
Q: (L) Okay, 1st density, minerals and plants... now rocks and
minerals combine with plants through growing actions, water
dissolution, erosion, and so on, they have a real limited
existence. And what happens is that mostly animals come along
and eat them.
(F) Bees pollinate flowers.
(L) Different kinds of
animals live in trees.
(T) Some animals live in the ground and
(T) So, rocks and minerals and plants have a really
limited understanding of the animals above them which interact
with them in various ways.
A: Yes, and you have a limited understanding of the densities
Q: (L) Well, that is still begging the question, my question
A: Laura, unblock, do rocks and plants "see" you?
Q: (J) Probably not.
(D) We donít really know.
(T) We see the
3rd density manifestations of 1st density objects. We donít see
the 1st density perception of itself. So, how do we see the 4th
density manifestations, they see us on a 4th density level...
not necessarily as we perceive ourselves.
(V) So, I am
curious... what do rocks look like to each other?
A: They sense each other.
Q: (L) What example of our sensory apparatus would be close to
an example of what a rock senses when it is aware of another
A: That is a cross conceptualization and will not work.
Q: (L) So there is no way we can interpret what a rock senses.
Well, another 1st density example is plants. We know that plants
can react positively to certain persons and negatively to
others. They have experimented with hooking them up to polygraph
machines and measured these responses.
(J) They also react to
(T) Third density reactions...
Q: (L) If plants interact with each other, do they feel, say,
fondness for one another?
A: Something akin to that.
Q: (L) Does it hurt a plant when we eat it?
A: Does it hurt you when a "Lizzie" eats you?
Q: (T) Yes, you see, on 4th density... we are on 3rd density and
we eat 1st and 2nd density, the 4th density eats us.
(D) If we
hurt plants by eating them like the Lizzies hurt us when they
eat us, how are we to survive without eating?
A: When you no longer crave physicality, you no longer need to
Q: (L) So part of the "fall" into the physical existence and
part of the Edenic story of the whole business, "you shall eat
by the sweat of your brow," has to do with being physical and
needing to eat?
A: Lucifer, "The fallen Angel." This is you.
Q: (L) So, "falling" means going into physical existence wherein
you must feed on other life, other beings, is that it?
Q: (T) So when a plant absorbs nutrients....
(L) Well, a plant
is the same density as minerals, so it is almost like...
Like two separate entities becoming one?
(V) Like Jeffrey Dahmer...
(L) My bologne has a first name...
dissolve in water and are then absorbed by the plant, what pain
could there be in this?
A: Subjective, L__.
Q: (L) Maybe the dissolution of, say, phosphate in water, is a
"death" to it...
A: Close. You limit when you perceive on 3rd level only and
think that your perception is all there is.
Q: (L) So, in other words, we should be able to perceive on 1st
and 2nd as well as 3rd while working on 4th level understanding?
A: No. Work on 4th, 5th and 6th.
Q: (L) Is it not also beneficial to understand the 1st and 2nd
density levels as well, just simply for the exercise in
understanding that which is below us?
A: Strive always to rise.
Q: (V) Havenít we already done our 1st and 2nd level work as
Q: (T) Who eats the Lizzies on the 4th level?
A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of
Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure energy?
Q: (T) The 4th level is the last for full STS. Does that mean
that the 5th level, which you have described as the
"contemplative" level... what is the state of existence of a
being on the 5th level?
A: Souls of 1,2,3, and 4 go to 5th.
Q: (T) So 5th level is where they go to while waiting to go back
to one of the 4 for their next incarnation?
Q: (T) That is why itís called the contemplation level. You go
and think about what you have done.
(T) What about souls on 6th
(L) Are there 6th density STS beings?
A: No, when you get to 6th you no longer need to recycle.
Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density,
like the 6th density Orions?
A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified
entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not
whole entities, just thought forms.
Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes as
a "gathering" of angels as in the story of Job where "Lucifer"
came in before the Lord...
Q: (L) So, there are
STO at 6th density which balance?
And they are just there, they exist?
A: Reflection for balance.
Q: (L) Is there any kind of hierarchy to this thing? Do these
beings come before some kind of "Grand Council" and make plans
and discuss things, and make decisions and implement them?
Q: (L) Well, how do things happen? Do things just sort of happen
as a natural interaction of things and energies?
Q: (V) If we are on the 3rd density and you are working with us
and we are striving to make 4th density, at the same time are
you, at 6th density, striving to reach 7th?
Q: (T) Is helping us, helping you to reach 7th density?
there others at higher densities working with you as you are
working with us?
A: No, we all reach 7th level together.
Q: (L) So, in other words, you guys are trying to bring us up
and everybody else is coming up, and when all the pieces are back
together, we then go to 7th, is that it?
Q: (T) So that is your purpose in helping us?
A: Itís a natural process.
Q: (T) Will our function be, when we are at 6th density, to help
others on 3rd, as you are doing?
A: Yes. We are you in the future.
Q: (L) Okay, what criteria constitutes the means of this
ultimate translation into 7th density?
A: The lessons completed.
Q: (T) When all the souls transition to 7th density, will all
the souls be integrated into one soul?
Q: (T) So that is why we have to get everybody, because we all
become one on 7th density?
A: Donít have to "do" anything: has, will, is!!!
Q: (L) Okay, you said at that time that a Transdimensional
Atomic Remolecularizer was buried at Oak Island. Is that
Q: (L) Who buried it there?
A: Learn. You already have tools. We
are trying to teach you to use your most precious commodity.
Q: (L) And that is, of course, our minds?
A: You betcha!
Q: (L) What I read about Oak Island was that there were legends
of lights being seen there prior to 1703.
Q: (L) Prior to 1703 would put the burial of whatever is there
at least prior to that time, correct?
Q: (L) Were those lights the lights of craft of other beings
other than the natives of this planet?
A: Electromagnetic profile.
Q: (L) What was noticed when the kids arrived on the Island was
that a limb was sawed off of a tree over the depression and
there were marks of the rope and pullys had been utilized.
If something more advanced dug the pit, they wouldnít have used
chain hoists and pullys.
(L) That is what I am getting at. So,
if there was evidence of this kind of stuff on the tree, it
would seem to indicate that somebody had been doing something
there who was a little more human or limited in their
technology, is that correct?
Q: (L) Now, my thought is that, it is beyond human technology to
have produced that pit at that point in history?
A: Beyond known technology.
Q: (L) And yet humans may have been involved in that activity?
A: Bingo. Some humans have always communed with "higher" powers.
We are speaking of conscious communion in this and other and
Q: (L) When was the pit dug?
A: 1500s. Nationality is not issue. Access sect information.
Now, who claimed communion, Laura has in memory banks from
absorption of mass reading practice.
Q: (F) Was there a sect from that era that claimed communion?
Q: (L) I think that this may have had something to do with the
people that later became known as the Cajuns, a French religious
sect that was living there... They called it Arcadia.
Q: (L) Now, this article says that it would have taken a hundred
men working every day for six months to have built this pit...
Q: (L) The article also says that it must have been dug in
Q: (L) When at one point they drilled into the pit, some bits of
gold came up and a piece of parchment and maybe some other odds
and ends. What were these?
A: Alchemy is your clue.
Q: (T) The remolecularizer made it.
(L) Why not? If these people
were involved in doing this, why did they do it?
A: Instructed to do it.
Q: (L) They were instructed by the higher powers they were in
contact with, correct?
Q: (L) What did they intend to do with it once it was there? Did
someone intend to come back for it at some point in time?
Q: (T) Is it buried there in that location for a specific
Q: (T) Does the location itself have something to do with the
purpose of it?
Q: (T) Are there other ones buried on the planet?
Q: (T) Are they aligned to each other on the planet in some kind
of geometric pattern?
Q: (T) Do they all work together?
Q: (J) Can you tell us where some of the other ones are?
A: Use mind, that is what it is there for.
Q: (T) We are using our minds. And, we are talking to you about
this. We are friendly.
A: Shortcut city. Itís not nice to fool Mother Cassiopaea!
Q: [Laughter] (T) Mirth! If we were to follow the coordinates
where this thing is buried, would it lead us to others?
A: Try it and see. When L__ said he wanted to hunt for buried
treasure, do you think he had this in mind? All the clues are
there for you to find if you do your homework!
Q: (L) Okay. I want to get back to the function of this thing.
You suggest it is buried not to be dug up. It is actually buried
to stay there? Is that correct?
Q: (L) Then that explains a lot of things about the way it was
buried. It is claimed that there was found, at a certain level,
a rock with carving on it. It was destroyed through
carelessness. I am curious as to what this said.
A: Measure marker.
Q: (J) Could it be possible that this device was somehow related
to the crystal pyramid principle of Atlantis?
A: In a small sense.
Q: (L) Is this device continuously operational?
Q: (L) What stimulates it to go into operation? That is,
assuming it does.
A: Magnetic anomalies.
Q: (J) Is it affected by earthquakes?
A: Can be.
Q: (L) Are these magnetic anomalies ones that occur naturally on
Q: (L) So, they can occur naturally on the planet or they can be
generated or stimulated by some other source?
Q: (J) Is this device a doorway for entry into this dimension?
A: Can be used as such.
Q: (T) Is it a stand-alone machine or is it to be used in
conjunction with others?
Q: (L) Next question: In reading about
crop circles; I know that
we have been told that they come from sixth density, but I would
like to know the exact mode or mechanism by which they are made.
Is it like electromagnetic imprinting, is it like a whirlwind.
Can you tell us a little bit about how they are actually
A: Field transfer.
Q: (L) What kind of field?
Q: (L) Are they transferred directly from sixth density to third
Q: (L) Are they manifested by an object that has come into third
density, such as a craft of some sort?
Q: (L) Can you give us a clue here?
A: We can give "clue." See Hoagland.
Q: (L) What does Hoagland say?
(T) He says that basically what
we see in this density is a 3rd dimension reflection of 4th
dimension and that it can be seen mathematically by looking at
the cloud patterns on the different planets. If there was not
another dimension above us, circular would be circular and the
circular motion of the clouds would be maintained, but if it is
a transfer from fourth density to third density, when you are
looking at a fourth density object, what the third density
version of it would look like would show a hexagonal figure with
angles to it, and that the photographs from the Voyager Probe
that show that the cloud patterns from the North and South poles
of most of the planets are not circular, they are hexagonal.
Something like that, anyway.
(L) Okay, in sixth density, what
are crop circles?
Q: (L) Who is thinking these thoughts?
A: Yours truly.
Q: (L) Okay, if they are thoughts...
(J) They are messages so
they could be thoughts before they are messages.
(T) Well, they
have described sixth density as pure energy, therefore there is
nothing physical in sixth density to reflect back through the
densities. So the only thing that can come from there to here is
thought. Because, that is all there is there.
(L) So, it is a
field transfer of thought.
(T) So, when sixth density thinks and
they pass that down, most likely skipping fifth density to
fourth density, and then stepping down from fourth to third, we
end up with a three dimensional crop circle. But what does a
crop circle look like in fourth density?
A: "Look" is not point. You need visual stimuli in order to
remember. Yours is a physical dependent existence. Your media
resists, why? Suggest discussion.
Q: (L) The media resists crop circles and I know this is so
because when I went to the Library to research them, there was
not a single, solitary book, magazine or article on the subject
of crop circles in the entire county system.
(J) There wasnít anything in Barnes
and Noble either.
(L) Now, the two books on the
subject I do have, I had to order special. Why would the media
resist crop circles?
(S) The same reason they resist
(F) But, they donít resist
everything else as much as crop circles.
(L) Here is something I got of the
net recently. [reads]
"To some people, the circles
which began appearing about a decade ago represent the
handiwork of extraterrestrial invaders or crafty tradesmen
bent on mischief after an evening at the pub, or even hordes
of graduate students driven by mad professors. To others,
the circles suggest the action of microwave generated ball
lightening, numerous whirlwinds or some other peculiar
atmospheric phenomena. These scenarios apparently suffered a
severe blow late last summer when two elderly landscape
painters, David and Doug admitted to creating many of the
giant, circular wheatfield patterns that cropped up over the
last decade in southern England.
The chuckling hoaxers proudly
displayed the wooden planks, ball of string, and primitive
sighting device they claimed they had used to construct the
circles. But this newspaper orchestrated, widely publicized
admission didnít settle the whole mystery. Gerald Hawkins, a
retired astronomer who now divides his time between an
apartment in Washington and a farm in Woodville, felt
compelled to write last September to Dave and Doug, asking
how they managed to discover and incorporate a number of
ingenious, previously unknown, geometric theorems of a type
that appear in antique textbooks, into their "artwork" in
the crops. He concluded his letter as follows:
"The media did not give you
credit for the unusual cleverness behind the designs and
And then he says that he is
finding ratios of small whole numbers that precisely match
the ratios defining diatomic scale. These ratios produce the
eight tones of an octave in the musical scale corresponding
to the keys on the piano."
That was surprise number one, he
said. He began looking for geometrical relationships among the
circles, rings and lines and then he found that measurements
reveal that the ratio of the diameter of the large circles is
drawn so that it passes through the centers of the three
original circles to the diameter of one of the original circles,
and is close to 4 to 3. What he discovered were geometric
relationships which simply are not taught anymore in the modern
math. And yet, essentially he says that these guys that came
forward and claimed that they did it could not possibly have
(F) Well, the thing that is so strange to me is that since 1992
there hasnít been any reporting in the American media about this
phenomenon at all.
(L to TF) Is there any way you could
check that? [Tom is a reporter with a major newspaper.]
(TF) I already have.
(L) You have? What have you found?
(TF) Thereís a lot.
(L) What is it and what does it say?
(TF) I didnít notice the dates. I
didnít notice if there was any turned out after 1992...
(F) Thereís not...
(TF) I liked my photo so much I had
someone check it out. One of the librarians. Some things you
call up you get material that is that thick... this is only this
thick. [Indicates file thickness large to small] But I donít
know what years any of it is.
(F) Well, it is not after 1992, I
can assure you because I have been keeping very close track.
(TF) I know it hasnít been in the
news. I donít remember seeing anything in the news for several
(F) It hasnít been here, but it has
been in Britain.
(F) It is very strange when we are
hooked up to the cable news channels that there has been a
television black-out on it here. The other thing is Linda Howe
showed the new ones from 1994 and they are more spectacular than
any that have appeared. Now, if these artists are still going
around doing this...
(L) Well, I hate to get paranoid,
but, do you suppose this Dave and Doug were set up to make this
claim so that the media would have an answer they could tout and
then just drop the whole thing? If so, why?
(F) Because itís too frightening. I
remember in 1991 and 1992 this thing was heating up and heating
(TF) Thatís true.
(F) It was unusual because this type
of subject matter is usually not attended by the mainstream
media to any great extent. When there is a big UFO wave there
might be a little blurb about strange lights reported by various
people. This subject was actually focused upon by all of the
major networks, it was on all of the major wire services, it was
everywhere. All of a sudden, these two drunken artists appeared
and they all said: "Oh! Thatís it! Okay, forget about it." That
was so strange because my impression of journalists has always
been, at least it used to be, that they want to dig up the
truth, and here, mere placebo, surface type explanations that
donít explain anything and which are not adequate, suddenly
caused them to lose interest. It would be like Watergate: "Oh,
the 18 minute gap... well, Mary whatís-her-name stepped on the
pedal. Oh, okay, no problem!"Obviously that didnít happen! This
just didnít make logical sense for those of us who had looked at
the crop circles, and even people who donít follow this type of
subject matter closely, who I have talked to, people who brush
off the subject of UFOs, have told me that this explanation just
doesnít add up! These two guys did all of this under the noses
of thousands of researchers who were trying like the dickens to
see anything that happened in the middle of the night - in the
middle of this, a simple, ridiculous if you get right down to
it, explanation is offered and the whole subject is brushed
(J) And, the explanation would only
work if the crop circles were within their physical reach
(F) Well, not only that, if you have
ever calculated what is involved, they started in 1973 with just
a handful throughout the summer and by 1992 it was hundreds all
over the planet. These guys would have to be working non-stop,
24 hours a day, flying all around the globe... [laughter] ...and
I thought, how can they accept this brush-off explanation? The
other thing is, you would expect, obviously if that were the
true explanation, as crazy as it seems, if they could actually,
physically do this all by themselves, which is physically and
mathematically impossible, but never mind that; it has happened
since then. If these two guys are pulling a hoax and nobody is
going to pay any more attention, why would they bother to
continue to do it each and every summer since that time.
Wouldnít somebody catch them by now? There are just a hundred
arguments against this explanation that come to mind. Yet, in
this country it is completely ignored. My own theory is that it
is too sensitive an issue. Here is something that can be
(L) It proves that there is somebody
else out there.
(F) It doesnít prove it...
(J) thereís something else going
(F) I donít think it proves it, but
it makes it very hard to ignore. As I have stated before, my
father was a physicist and he was also a skeptic. A very
brilliant man... when we would see on television... I remember
one night in particular, we saw a very comprehensive segment on
crop circles, and he actually got angry when I pointed out to
him that this phenomenon seemed awfully bizarre, awfully
intense, widespread and so on. He tried to brush it off: "Oh, I
think it is a fad," were the words he used. This is a scientist!
(L) He dove headfirst into the
deepest river in the world! Denial.
(F) Like a whirlwind is going to
form a pattern like an intricate geometric figure? Come on!
Sure! He grasped that whirlwind theory and when I pointed out to
him that this was not logical, he got angry which I perceived as
fear. Being very defensive because it stabbed into the heart of
his whole lifeís work.
(L) That right there is the answer,
(L) It stabs into the heart of
(F) In this country somebody does
not want this to be reported on because you canít brush it off.
You can brush off UFOs... well, not if you really study the
issue, but if you donít pay too much attention to it you can
brush it off...
(J) Because there is no physical
evidence. You have evidence with crop circles. They are there.
You can see them.
(L) And, they are astonishing! Just
to look at them is astonishing!
(F) Any of them, really, except for
the very simplest ones, I mean, just using pure, simple logic,
who would have the time, the energy, the expertise to do these
(J) And to do it in the dark,
without any light...
(F) And in just short periods of
time! It just doesnít make sense. Just imagine, Mr. F, it is
your assignment to go out into the wheat fields of England, in
the dark and to make this intricate figure...
(TF) I would ask them to do it for
me and show me how they did it!
(S) I donít know if it was Sightings
or Encounters, but one time they had a segment on crop circles
in Mexico, and they even appear on rock cliffs...
(F) Yes, and itís happening in
Puerto Rico. And, the alleged report on this one was that Army
type vehicles came in and destroyed it so people couldnít see
it. Which leads me to believe, with my suspicious mind, that
somebody doesnít want this stuff going on, for whatever reason.
(L) Yes, what are you going to do
with a population that suddenly asks you: "Well, youíre in
charge; what is this? Whatís going on?" And, you canít answer
them. You have lost credibility as the authority.
(F) And, none of the answers you can
come up with are safe. It offends the church because they canít
explain it. It offends the scientific community because they
canít explain it.
(L) Yes, the church calls everything
they canít explain "The Work of the Devil."
(T) Which one?
(L) We think we have come up with an
answer. Are we anywhere on the right track?
Q: (L) Anything further you would like to add to what we have
Q: (L) As you know, I have been studying the Sufi teachings, and
I am discovering so many similarities in these Sufi "unveilings"
to what we have been receiving through this source, that I am
really quite amazed, to say the least. So, my question is: could
what we are doing here be considered an ongoing, incremental,
"unveiling," as they call it?
Q: (L) Now, from what I am reading, in the process of unveiling,
at certain points, when the knowledge base has been sufficiently
expanded, some sort of inner unveilings then begin to occur. Is
this part of the present process?
Q: (L) My experience has been, over the past couple of years,
that whenever there is a significant increase in knowledge, that
it is sort of cyclical - I go through a depression before I can
assimilate - and it is like an inner transformation from one
level to another. Is there something we can do, and if so, is it
desirable, to increase or facilitate this process in some way?
A: It is a natural process, let it be.
Q: (L) One of the things that Al-Arabi writes about is the
ontological level of being. Concentric circles, so to speak, of
states of being. And, each state merely defines relationships.
At each higher level you are closer to a direct relationship
with the core of existence, and on the outer edges, you are in
closer relationship with matter. This accurately explicates the
7 densities you have described for us. He also talks about the "outraying"
and the "inward moving" toward knowledge. My thought was certain
beings, such as 4th density STS, and other STS beings of 3rd
density, who think that they are creating a situation where they
will accrue power to themselves, may, in fact, be part of the "outraying"
or dispersion into matter. Is this a correct perception?
Q: (L) Al-Arabi says, and this echoes what you have said, that
you can stay in the illusion where you are, you can move
downward or upward. Is this, in part, whichever direction you
choose, a function of your position on the cycle?
A: It is more complex than that.
Q: (L) Well, I am sure of that. Al-Arabi presents a very complex
analysis and he probably didnít know it all either...
Nevertheless, in many places it is almost a word-for-word
reflection of things that have been given directly to us through
A: Now, learn, read, research all you can about unstable gravity
Q: (L) Okay. Unstable gravity waves. Iíll see what I can find.
Is there something more about this?
A: Meditate too! We mean for you, Laura, to meditate about
unstable gravity waves as part of research.
Q: (L) Okay. Would it be alright to ask a few more questions
about the Sufis?
A: Not unless you wish to get off the track.
Q: (L) That would be off the track from the way we are moving at
A: Not until you have memorized Sufi teachings to the extent
that you can cross reference with Bible and similar works.
Q: (L) Okay. So, we are onto something with the Sufi teachings.
But, we donít need to get off the track. I guess that they did
with the Koran what some other mystics have done with the Bible.
It is clear that there is something under the surface of it, but
it is corrupted and twisted. And, I was convinced by seeing this
underlying pattern that it was possible to penetrate the veil,
and that gave me the impetus to push for a breakthrough.
A: Unstable gravity waves unlock as yet unknown secrets of
quantum physics to make the picture crystal clear.
Q: (L) Can we free associate about these gravity waves since no
bookstores are open at this hour? Gravity seems to be a property
of matter. Is that correct?
Q: (L) And hmmmm....
A: And antimatter!
Q: (L) Is the gravity that is a property of antimatter
"antigravity?" Or, is it just gravity on the other side, so to
Q: (L) Okay. Gravity is the binder. Is gravity the binder of
A: And... Gravity binds all that is physical with all that is
ethereal through unstable gravity waves!!!
Q: (L) Is antimatter ethereal existence?
A: Pathway to. Doorway to.
Q: (L) Are unstable gravity waves... do unstable gravity waves
emanate from 7th density?
Q: (L) Do they emanate from any particular density?
A: That is just the point, there is no emanation point?
Q: (L) So, they are a property or attribute of the existence of
matter, and the binder of matter to ethereal ideation?
A: Sort of, but they are a property of anti-matter, too!
Q: (L) So, through unstable gravity waves, you can access other
Q: (L) Can you generate them mechanically?
A: Generation is really collecting and dispersing.
Q: (L) One of the crop circles you interpreted was an
"astronomical twin phenomenon." What is an astronomical twin
A: Many perfectly synchronous meanings. Duplicity of, as in
"Alice through the looking glass."
Q: (L) Double images. Does this relate to matter and antimatter?
A: Yes, and...
Q: (L) Gravity and manifesting on one side and manifesting a
mirror image on the other...
A: Yes, and... Astronomical.
Q: (L) Okay, that relates to stars and planets... astronomical
in terms of another universe, an alternate universe composed of
A: Yes, and....
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe of antimatter the point from
which phenomena occur or are manifested in our universe?
A: More like doorway or "conduit."
Q: (L) Is this alternate universe the means by which we must
travel to 4th density? Is it like a veil, or an abyss of some
A: Think of it as the highway.
Q: (L) Is something going to happen in terms of interacting with
this antimatter in order to bring about some sort of transition
to a new universe?
A: No. Realm Border is traveling wave.
Q: (L) Okay, you say "traveling wave," and then you say that
antimatter is the highway. Does this mean moving through
antimatter or interacting in some way with antimatter via the
the impetus of the traveling wave, or realm border?
A: Bends space/time, this is where your unstable gravity waves
can be utilized.
Q: (L) Utilizing
antimatter by creating an EM field, which
destabilizes the gravity wave, allows antimatter to unite with
matter, creating a portal through which space/time can be bent,
or traveled through via this "bending." In other words,
producing an EM field, bringing in the antimatter, IS the
bending of space/time? Is that it?
Q: (L) Unstable gravity waves... antimatter... destabilizing the
gravity waves through EM generation allows the antimatter to
interact with matter which then creates a portal... is it in the
antimatter universe that all this traveling back and forth is
done by aliens when they abduct people?
A: Close. They transport through it, but most abductions take
place in either 3rd or 4th density.
Q: (L) Is this movement through the antimatter universe, is this
what people perceive in their abductions as the "wall of fire?"
The coming apart. The demolecularizing?
A: No. That is TransDimensional Atomic Remolecularization.
Q: (L) Okay, if a person were passing into the antimatter
universe, how would they perceive it?
A: They wouldnít.
Q: (L) Why?
A: No space; no time.
Q: (L) Antimatter universe has no space and no time... so, the
antimatter universe is possibly where the poor guys of flight 19
Q: (L) And you can get stuck in this place?
A: Yes. And if you are in a time warp coccoon, you are
hyperconscious, i.e. you perceive "zero time" as if it were
literally millions of years, that is if the cycle is connected
or closed, as in "Philadelphia Experiment."
Q:! (L) Is this Mars Rock in the news leading up to some
definite, overt interaction with aliens?
(T) They told us, we
know it, yes!
Q: (T) Thatís what itís all about. Now if they want to go to
Mars to look for civilizations and stuff, which theyíre going to
lead up to, and back to the moon here, and all this, and theyíre
going to make
Hoagland feel really good, because heís right!
A: Notice how you heard nothing about the Mars Probes until the
rock announcement? The excavation robot spacecraft. One Probe is
already on its way, another to follow. No further explanation
about "loss" of Mars Explorer.
Q: (L) What did happen to the Mars Explorer?
A: Blacked out. You see, íToo risky.í And too much too soon, due
to pressure from Hoagland and others.
Q: (T) My own opinion is that theyíve already been there, and
they know whatís there.
A: No. Microbes are easier to swallow than humans in togas!
Q: (T) Cleopatra and Antony are not going to go over real big
this week! Especially with the Bible scholars.
(F) And the
scientists! OK, you just mentioned that somebody from this
planet already launched a Mars Probe. A new Mars Probe, that no
one in public knows about. Because itís never been talked about.
So, itís a secret probe. Who does it belong to?
A: Was secret US government.
Q: (J) When did it go up?
A: September of 1995.
Q: (T) Last September, a year ago. So, itís gone for a year. It
takes it a year, two years to get there? Maybe not that long.
So, itís over half-way there at this point.
A: Yes. Next year.
Q: (T) Next year for the next probe?
Q: (T) Is this going to be one of those public ones? A publicly
A: They both are.
Q: (T) What is the purpose of these probes?
A: Excavation to display living organisms.
Q: (T) Display?
(L) Yes, for public consumption. In other words,
not only do we have a rock now, that shows evidence that there
(T) Oh, display, as when they find it and dig it up,
theyíre going to show it on camera!
(T) Connie Couric
will interview it!
(F) First they said they found no
evidence, then they said it was inconclusive... Now, who the
hell knows what they found! In revealing things, weíll start
with fossilized life, and then move on...
(L) So, theyíre going
to display the discovery of living organisms on Mars to take the
next step to acclimate...
Q: (L) So, in other words, this process is going to be something
of an on-going thing, and that all of these people who are
cranking around about, you know, alien landings...
A: No faces, though.
Q: (L) Thereís not going to be any íFaces On Mars?í They are not
going to show us...
A: Wonít be revealed, what do you think happened with Mars
Explorer? Hoagland forced their hand.
Q: (T) What do we think happened to the Mars Explorer? I think
they switched channels. They just moved it from one
communication post to another, and itís doing exactly what itís
supposed to be doing. And they did it in such a way, that the
NASA people really didnít know what happened, so that when they
were asked, they could say, íWe donít know what happened to it!í
Because they really donít know what happened!
(L) When weíre
talking about this dealing with these Mars Explorers - is all
this stuff, or most of this stuff, coming from the 4th density
manipulations of human minds, rather than...
Q: (L)... rather than actual, physical entry and doing of deeds?
Is that it?
Q: (T) I have a question. Theyíre going to display live
organisms, like, how did they put that íLiving organismsí? How
big are these living organisms going to be? How advanced?
Q: (T) So, weíre still talking about microscopic organisms here?
Q: (J) So, they wonít wave at us!
A: But these will be alive. Canít you see the progression here?
"Donít want to scare Grandma Sally Bible Thumper/Stockmarket
Q: (L) All right, letís get on to our questions here. Let me ask
about the tetrahedron. Terry, you ask it, because you know more
(T) The Tetrahedron, triangle mathematics that
Hoagland is working with in conjunction with the Mars/Cydonia
region where he supposedly discovered this...
A: Energy consolidator. EM Wave capturer.
Q: (T) Ok, so itís an EM wave capturer. Does it also emit EM
A: Close. Channels and enhances, when used properly, and in
Q: (T) Hoagland is not talking about... whatever heís talking
about, as far as the mathematics go, of the tetrahedral
triangles within the sphere, which Iím assuming this planet is
calling the sacred geometries, but are physics-type things of
different densities, which may not actually be right. OK, this
doesnít apply just to Mars, this is, every sphere has these same
Q: (T)... a golf ball, a base ball; I know theyíre not perfect
spheres, they have dimples; all the way up to the sun, and so
forth and so on, of any size, made out of any material, as long
as itís a sphere, it will have the same properties.
A: No. Must be magnetized.
Q: (T) OK, itís a magnetized sphere; something that has a
magnetic field around it.
Q: (L) Is the tetrahedral configuration a property of the
Q: (T) OK, my question is, the sphere has to be able to generate
a magnetic field, like the earth has a magnetic field, like Mars
generates a magnetic field...
A: Or be magnetized by installation of internal magnetic
Q: (L) OK, whatís the purpose of this? Whatís the purpose of
these tetrahedrons? What are the...
A: Purpose is not proper term. It is a reflection of universal
Q: (L) OK, well, this guy J__ says that they are designated by
different monuments on the planetís surface...
A: Nonsense!!! Artificial constructed tetrahedrons are placed on
strategic locations on the planetís surface in order to utilize
magnetic fields properly.
Q: (L) Who places these artificially constructed tetrahedrons at
A: The artificial constructors.
Q: (L) And who are they?
A: Whomever they may be. Nineteen degrees north and south.
Q: (T) Those are the numbers that Hoagland came up with, with
his stuff. On most of the planets, and our sun, we seem to have
major events happening, or have happened...
Q: (T) Yes, Hawaii, Puerto Rico... letís see, 19 degrees north
and south, Phillipines, I think, is somewhere close, on the
south side. Major volcanos...
(F) Phillipines is on the north
side, thatís not in the Southern Hemisphere...
(T) Iíd have to pull out a global
map to see what the 19 degrees are.
On Mars, Cydonia resides at
approximately 19 degrees, the Giant volcano, the dead volcano on
Mars is approximately 19 degrees, the stuff that they found on
Venus, the major things, are at approximately 19 degrees. The
sunspots are approximately 19 degrees, the red spot on
(L) Do the tetrahedrons spin within
the sphere? Do these power points of the tetrahedron spin?
A: Energy fields flow in balance.
Q: (T) Is there... now, am I correct in the fact that thereís a
direct relationship here to the real Hebrew Star of David, to
Q: (T) Yes. So that that symbol is not a religious symbol, as
such, but a very important...
A: Yes. So is pentagon.
Q: (T) So is the Pentagon? These are part of what humans
describe as the sacred geometries.
A: Yes. You as Atlanteans knew this, and lived by it in many
ways. For example, the pyramid recharges by capturing exactly
half the energy points, thus allowing a positive imbalance
buildup to be captured, then expended.
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