Kenneth Burke: David, I
realize that creating a thumbnail sketch of connecting the dots
that are in your new book, "The Biggest Secret," is difficult,
but could you connect a few dots for our readers, so they'll at
least understand the basic premise of your work?
David Icke: Yes, I can, actually. "The Biggest Secret" is
550 pages with 60 illustrations and over 40 pictures. I really
pushed the boat out with it. It's in great detail, and the
material is tremendously sourced as much as possible. I can
actually summarize the story very simply. What my research and
my unbelievably synchronistic life in terms of the research have
shown me, explained in great detail in the book is that, if you
go far enough back, you pick up not just one extraterrestrial
race, but extraterrestrial races, which interbred with humanity.
There is one particular group, within an extraterrestrial race,
which operates within the physical world (certainly from within
the Earth), and its primary place of focus is the lower fourth
dimension, which people call the astral level. This is the
reptilian race. I suggest strongly in the book that, those we
call the Anunnaki (in the Sumerian Tablets) are
actually a reptilian race. I am not alone in this. Dr.
David Arthur Horne has written a book, "Humanity’s
Extraterrestrial Origins", and has made the same
connections that I have.
I make these connections, not just from intuition, but from a
tremendous amount of ancient and modern evidence that shows that
this reptilian connection travels right through these thousands
of years to the present day. Some of these references to
serpents and dragons are obviously symbolic, not the
least, the Kundalini energy and other things, but when
you look at the evidence, there is a tremendous number of
literal references to serpent people - serpent gods.
When you do the research, again, into the area where this seems
to have happened in the Caucasus Mountains, in what we now call
Turkey, Iran and Iraq, which we called
Sumer and Babylon, and into the plains of Egypt (the
area particularly around the Caucasus Mountains seems to
be the place where these bloodlines came out). This
interbreeding occurred between the human race and this reptilian
group within a race. Now, I don't see the reptilian genetic
stream as negative in itself - quite the opposite - it's just
this particular group within it.
The Sumerian Tablets and many other accounts, all over
the world, talk about the fact that these hybrids became the
demigods, the middle men and women between the gods and
humanity. If you look at some of the history of Iran, the
earliest kings were called the serpent kings, and they
became kings as a result of their genetic structure and their
family bloodlines. This is where the Divine right of kings comes
from. Where we lost the plot is that it didn't refer to god - if
you like, everything that exists - it referred to the GODS.
Now, around 2200 B.C., something emerged in Egypt, called
the
Royal Court of the Dragon. That
is still going strong, today, 4000 years later, and it's based
in England, which is, for me, the epicenter of global
control - the epicenter of the network that controls the world -
not Tony Blair's government (although he is a big front-man for
them) - but the epicenter of control is in the area, which we
call the city of London - the financial district and the
other interlocking areas. As you probably know, London is
the great sprawl of London and, within it, is an area, which is
called the City of London. That's the financial district,
basically, where the Bank of England is. Basically, the
control of the world financial markets is there.
So, when you do the genealogy, and I've done quite a bit
already, as well as the history, you can follow this
basically Aryan race of people, who came originally to
Britain by ship under the name of the Phoenicians, who are a
very significant part of history, which conventional history
pushes to the sidelines. I show in the book that the Phoenician
culture became the British culture. They worshipped two deities:
one was called Barat, the male, and the other was called
Barati, the female. They became Britain and
Britainnia, and I've pictured in the book the Phoenician
depiction of Barati and the British depiction of Britainnia, and
what was said about them, and they are staggeringly the same.
These people also flowed overland, changing their names from
time to time. They became the white peoples of Europe.
Within this genetic structure were these reptilian/human
hybrids.
The hybrids that were the rulers
of the ancient Near and Middle East became the European
aristocracy and the royal families of Europe. Now, there is
only one royal family - just under different names. The
Windsors are certainly one of these lines.
The key expansion point, for these bloodlines to literally take
over the planet, came after 1689, when one of these bloodlines,
called William of Orange (to whom every surviving royal
family in Europe is related) was put on the throne of England,
coming from Holland. From 1689, these bloodlines, which have
become known as the Illuminati, made their epicenter of their
operational level in the City of London. It was in 1694 that
William of Orange signed the charter that created the
Bank of England, and the whole central banking system
started to move with this interlocking leadership. This is why
you have a central bank in virtually every country, because they
have an interlocking leadership and run the economies of their
countries and hold the purse strings of the government.
The real thing that emerged in the years following this
centering of the operation in London was, of course, the Great
British Empire. I now understand that it wasn't the Great
British Empire, at all. It was the empire of these
bloodlines that had placed themselves in Britain, which is
quite another thing. Therefore, these bloodlines, operating
covertly, overwhelmingly in the white race, but certainly not
only, became the people who took the banking business, media,
and political power in all these different countries of the
British Empire. Although we appear to see that the British
Empire has contracted, and people have got their independence,
we can very clearly see that the prisons with the bars (the
overt control of these countries by Britain) have been replaced
with prisons without bars, which are the secret society network
and the bloodlines still operating covertly in those countries
and running the show. The way it works, incidentally, is that
you have the epicenter in London.
Then, in each of these countries, you have what I call the
bloodline branch managers, who operate that country on behalf of
the centrally coordinated agenda. So, when the agenda is being
orchestrated to bring something about on a global level, for
example microchipping, then the bloodline branch managers in
that country manipulate and organize in their particular sphere
of influence, like
the Rockefellers in America and
the Eastern establishment families, like the Oppenheimers
in South Africa. These branch managers orchestrate their family
and country in line with the global agenda coming out of Europe
(particularly London but Paris, to some extent), as well. It's
like a spider's web or a transnational corporation, with
branches in every country.
A wonderful example of that is in South Africa. I was there,
about this time last year, and did a lot of research and
talking. Before Mandela became president, there was overt
control of South Africa by a white-minority apartheid regime,
but there was tremendous opposition around the world to
apartheid. People had banners in the air and protests and all
that. At that time, the Oppenheimer family controlled 80%
of the stock in the South African stock market and the rest by
implication. They owned the media through various front men, and
they owned the diamond and gold mines, on which the country's
economy depends. They had to switch to so-called democracy, and
Mandela was put into the presidency. Of course, the
banners then went down, and people walked away, saying, well,
South Africa is sorted. The world's getting freer.
After Mandela became president, to this day, the
Oppenheimer family now only owns 80% of the stock on the
stock market and the rest by implication. They only own the gold
and diamond mines on which the economy depends, and they only
own the media through various front men, not the least, an
Irishman, called Tony O'Reilly. The difference is, no one
is screaming human rights or lack of freedom, any more, because
there is a black man in the presidency. I have been around South
Africa and, if anything, there are more shanty towns, now - more
Soweto-type places in South Africa than ever before. Nothing has
changed for the people, except on the surface. In terms of
choice, in terms of the quality of their lives, nothing has
changed. The same people are running the country, but
they are running it unchallenged, now, because of the prison
bars replaced by prisons with no bars.
Let me interject that these reptilian bloodlines
overwhelmingly come out of Europe from France and Britain.
Alsace-Lorraine is a particularly important area for them. So,
this is how it works: When you do the genealogy of the American
presidents, it's stunning. This information comes from Burke's
Peerage, which is the Bible of aristocratic genealogy, based in
London. Every presidential election in America, since and
including George Washington in 1789 to Bill Clinton,
has been won by the candidate with the most British and French
royal genes. Of the 42 presidents to Clinton, 33 have been
related to two people: Alfred the Great, King of England, and
Charlemagne, the most famous monarch of France. So it goes on:
19 of them are related to England's Edward III, who has
2000 blood connections to Prince Charles. The same goes
with the banking families in America. George Bush and
Barbara Bush are from the same bloodline - the Pierce
bloodline, which changed its name from Percy, when it
crossed the Atlantic. Percy is one of the aristocratic families
of Britain, to this day. They were involved in the Gunpowder
Plot to blow up Parliament at the time of Guy Fawkes and
all that. So, George Bush is related to Charlemagne and
Alfred the Great. He is related to Franklin Delano
Roosevelt.
You know, these different bloodlines have taken different names,
but they follow the genealogy like crazy. Because they go under
different names, people obviously don't see the pattern. If
Clinton and the secretary of state were Rockefellers
and the main newsreader on NBC was a Rockefeller, then,
people would say, excuse me, what's going on here. So, they
have different names. That's irrelevant. It's the bloodline
that matters.
The Bush family is one example,
because, over these last three generations, or so, it has
carried the same name, and you can actually see the way it
works.
The idea that anyone can become president of the United States
is utter bunkum, and that is a very important statement. That
idea is actually one of the foundations of American's belief
that they live in a free country. Well, I can tell you that it
is absolutely untrue. If you go back two generations, according
to the research, you find Prescot Bush, George Bush's
father, was involved in various political maneuvers and he
was a member of the
Skull and Crossbones Society at
Yale University. In the next generation, you have George, who
was prepared from birth and brought up to hold positions of
power, and he went on to become head of the CIA, the Vice
President, and, in fact, President for three terms (two of them
officially Reagan's). He was head of the Republican Party at the
time of the Watergate hearings. He was a U.N. Ambassador and an
unofficial ambassador to China. All these were key positions.
Now, we are seeing the next generation of the Bush family -
the Bush bloodline - with Jeb Bush the Governor of
Florida and George W. Bush now being feted as the next
President of the United States. So, you can see it over three
generations, with the Bushes, but, in these other bloodlines,
you can't see it because they have different names.
According to Burke's Peerage, even according to the official
genealogy, Bill Clinton is genetically related to the
House of Windsor, the present royal family in Britain; to
every Scottish monarch; to King Henry III of England; and to
Robert I of France. I am seeing more and more compelling
research information that Clinton is actually a Rockefeller,
one generation back, which would explain a tremendous amount
about why this so-called kid off the street of Arkansas was
given a Rhodes scholarship to Oxford University, which only goes
to hand-picked people. He was put under the tutelage of Carol
Quigley, one of the insiders at Georgetown University, who
wrote massive tomes about the manipulation of this group in the
20th century, "Tragedy and Hope" and "The
Anglo-American Establishment," etc.
At a very early age, Clinton became governor of what
everyone seemed to accept as the Rockefeller State of Arkansas.
Then, of course, he became the President of the United States.
These people are brought through because of their bloodlines,
and the bloodlines relate to the fact that it has a genetic and,
therefore, a vibrational compatibility with these
fourth-dimensional reptilian beings, who can operate through
these physical bloodlines, much like someone donning a space
suit. They can work into the third dimension through these
particular lines.
Kenneth Burke: Let me ask
this, so, I can understand how it works. Let's say, the core
group (in your understanding) is based in the City of London in
England.
David Icke: That is the operational level. You know, you
have an operational level, like a headquarters, where
everything is organized and coordinated, but that is not
necessarily the epicenter of power. That could well be
somewhere else on the planet. I get under the ground in Tibet,
every time I think about it. I think that these endless legends
of underground communities, Agartha, and all this stuff,
have a basis in fact. But, what I'm talking about is that
the center of the web, where things are coordinated, is
definitely London, and Paris, to an extent, as well.
Kenneth Burke: In the same way that metaphysically
oriented people believe we have spirit guides, are these
reptilian entities impacting these people, who have physical
bodies, without their knowledge, or are they shapeshifters,
who are folding time? What does your research show?
David Icke: That's a great question, and there are two
levels to it. One is those I call the full-bloods.
I talk about them in the book. They include the House of
Windsor (the Royal Family of Britain), George Bush,
and those sort of people. While we have our focus in the third
dimension, they actually have their focus in the fourth
dimension. They can move between the two and can look into
this dimension in the fourth. These are what I call the
full-bloods. Now, compared with the population of the world,
there aren't many of them. They are shapeshifters.
Then there are the lower genetic lines, but they are still very
reptilian in their content. I call them the hybrids.
These people, overwhelmingly, do not know who they are, but
those orchestrating things do know, because they follow the
bloodlines and genetics, with a stunning obsession. What they
are looking for in the hybrids is to possess them from the
fourth dimension. Therefore, they get invited into the
secret society networks and put through various rituals,
which, of course, they have to join to make any real progress.
They don't understand what they're doing. Most of them don't
understand that words and ritual create energy fields.
And, energy fields, if you don't know what you're doing, can be
very dangerous things, in terms of the ways you can be
manipulated. Then, in these rituals, the orchestrators are
plugging these overwhelmingly unknowing people into this lower
fourth-dimensional consciousness. They are being possessed by
them.
If you look at the history of Hitler, it's fascinating.
This person used to sit in the street, trying to sell paintings.
He certainly had a charisma-bypass, it would seem. He was put
through a series of rituals, by a man called Eckart, and
Hitler emerged at the other end as this strutting,
crazed, contorted faced man, who was generating a magnetic
energy that captivated a nation, thankfully, for only a very few
years. What Eckart actually wrote to friends of his, and I quote
this in the book, is that his friends shouldn't worry about
Eckart, because he had effected German history more than
anyone else. He said, "I have connected Hitler with
THEM." Hitler was plugged into the lower fourth dimension
and was being a puppet for these lower astral reptilian
beings.
How I came across all this stuff was typical of the
synchronicity of my life. In a book, called "And
the Truth Shall Set You Free," I wrote about the
structure of control in the world, today. Then, I thought that
it doesn't take a genius to see that this structure wasn't put
together in five minutes or five years, so, when did it start? I
started going back, to find the origin of this manipulation. I
got completely back to the time of the Crusades, the 1100s and
1200s, the Knights Templar and all those people, and I went on
back to thousands of years B.C., in Babylon, which
seems to have been a major center for these particular
reptilian/human bloodlines.
From that center, they started infiltrating and taking over some
of the other societies, not in the least Egypt, that
disintegrated and deteriorated, as a result. Then, they moved
their epicenter to Rome and became the Roman Empire.
Then, they moved further into London and became the
British Empire, and this is where it has all come from. I
got far enough back and started hitching endless stories around
the world about these hybrids - not always mentioning reptilian,
but mentioning this interbreeding between the gods and humanity,
creating these hybrid bloodlines.
Then, about a year ago, I started to have the most extraordinary
experiences in my travels. In a period of 15 days in May 1998, I
met 12 different people, from totally different walks of life
(business people involved in Swiss banking on through to
television presenters and others), who told me this same
story - that they had seen people, who were overwhelmingly
in positions of power, but not always, who turned into
reptilian forms before their eyes, then, go back again. A
policeman was one who had this story to tell.
From "The Biggest
Secret"
Kenneth Burke: Do you think it was done on purpose or
because the frequency of the planet took away their covers
momentarily?
David Icke: It seems to me, that it is two things. First,
I think there are certain frequency energy fields, in which they
find it much harder to hold human form. But, the main thing is
that they are lower fourth dimensional beings, in terms
of their focus, and that's not very far from this dimension. I
think peoples' consciousnesses flick onto that energy for a
brief time. The people then cease to see those reptilian beings
in their three-dimensional form, and they see them in their
fourth-dimensional form. They cease to be their
three-dimensional covers and are seen as their
fourth-dimensional reptilian beings. These people see beyond the
space suit, if you like. Now, this has gone on and on. Talk
about somebody trying to tell me something. This is now
extremely well into three figures of people, all over the world,
who have told me the same story. I was in Vancouver, where six
separate people told me the same stories, including one business
woman - a grounded businesswoman, who has a large business of
her own. She actually had two different relationships with guys,
particularly one, who, during sex, actually manifested as a
reptile. Now, how is that for a shock? The stories go on. Then,
I remembered that I'd read a book by Kathy O'Brien, "Trance
Formation of America", several years ago.
Kenneth Burke: Yes. We interviewed her.
David Icke: I remember thinking, "Hold on a minute, I'm
sure she mentioned the reptiles in that book." So, I went and
got it, because I know there is a case to answer. Too many
people in Britain, Australia, and America, from so many
different walks of life, have told me the same thing. Some of
them are not into metaphysics at all and are thoroughly shocked.
Anyway, I looked down the references and found reptiles.
Kathy talks about the fact that George Bush had
told her that they were an extraterrestrial race, who had
taken over the planet and no one realizes it, and that they came
from deep far-off space. She said that he just changed in front
of her face into a reptile. One guy actually, very briefly, rang
my office in America, last January, and said, "I've heard you
have a new book coming out. What's it about." I said, "It's a
bit - it will take you aback. I can't really explain it. You'd
have to read it from start to finish, otherwise, it would just
sound crazy."
So, we talked about things. He said, "I can't talk about this to
many people, but can you explain to me why I keep seeing people,
like Bush, Kissinger, and Gorbachev turn
into reptiles when I see them on television?" I thought,
"Shoot. I know that." Anyway, Kathy O'Brien talks about
seeing a number of politicians in America turning into reptiles.
She rationalized it as part of the
MKULTRA mind control program.
The other story that she told was being with Miguel de la
Madrid, the President of Mexico during the 80s, and she said
that he told her the story of what he called the Iguana Race.
Of course, this book was published long before I started coming
across this information. She said that he said to her that the
Iguana Race, a reptilian extraterrestrial race, had interbred
with the ancient Mexican people - the Mayans and others -
because they needed to create bloodlines, bodies that
they could work through, and that these particular bloodlines -
the Iguana/human bloodlines, could shapeshift and take
either human or reptilian form. She also said that he changed
into a reptile in front of her. So, I started to look back,
then, thinking that, time is so short a period that we call
known human history, if this is going on now, it must be a very
good chance that it was going on before. So, I started scanning
the ancient accounts of the reptilian race and the
serpent race, and, my goodness me - you find
the Nagas - some of the gods of
the Indus Valley, which became the Hindu culture - were
said to take either human or reptilian form at will.
You will find other references, around the world to this. By
this time, I'd established that the House of Windsor,
the Royal Family of Britain, which is actually a German line
and goes back to the "black nobility" in northern Italy
of Venice, which can be followed back to the Middle East
and the Near East, was one of these bloodlines - not that they
were reptilian, but they were one of the elite bloodlines. So, a
couple of members of the House of Lords in Britain asked to talk
with them, because they knew about this conspiracy and wanted to
know more about what I knew. A woman at the meeting would say
things about Diana, Princess of Wales, every now and
then. I found her very interesting. Afterwards, I said, "We've
got to talk." She said, "We have." I asked her, "How do you know
this about Diana?" She said, "Well, my closest friend was
Diana's closest confidante on esoteric matters for nine years.
She was her healer." Now, this had even come out in the press,
at some point. This lady was on the front page of the tabloid
press as the person, who was giving spiritual healing to
Diana. This particular woman had never spoken to anyone
before, but, for some reason, she spoke to me. I quote her, at
length, in the book.
She told me about the tremendous mistreatment of Diana by
the Windsors. I hadn't gone to see this lady about
reptiles. I went to see her about Diana and the Windsors. As the
conversation unfolded, she said, "You know what Diana's
nickname for the Windsors was?" I said, "No, go on." She
said, "The lizards and the reptiles." She said, "Diana
used to say to me, in all seriousness, 'They're not human.'" She
said, "You know, this might be hard to believe, but the
Windsors are a reptilian bloodline. They're reptilian, and
it's reptilians who are actually running the planet."
I also came across the son of a New York lawyer. That law firm,
during the early part of the century, represented people, like
the
Rothschilds, the
Rockefellers, and the
Morgans. I talked to him in Phoenix, just a few weeks ago.
He was going into the law firm, and he said to me that he got
out, because he realized that this global manipulation was going
on, this agenda existed, and that the bloodlines that were
behind it were reptilian.
Another interesting thing that happened, when I was in South
Africa, at this time last year, I met a Zulu shaman, who asked
to meet me. I was only two days off the plane, and I had never
been to South Africa. I got this invitation to meet this shaman,
whom I met and spent five hours talking to him. At one point in
the conversation, he said to me, "You know, your Lady Diana
(who was dead, by that time, of course), I had a call from her
one day." I thought, "Oh, yeah? What's going on?"
He said, "She called me in March 1997, before she died in
August." She said to me that she was calling from a supermarket
phone in England. He said, "First, I didn't believe that it was
Diana, because why would she call me. Secondly, I
certainly didn't believe it when she said she was calling from a
supermarket phone." Now, when I told this story to Diana's
confidante, Christine Fitzgerald, the healer, she
said, "Well, that makes perfect sense, because Diana knew that
Kensington Palace phones are bugged, and that all the official
places she phoned from were bugged. So, she used to go into a
supermarket or a department store in Kensington, just down the
road, and used a public phone, when she wanted a clean line."
Now, the shaman wouldn't tell me exactly what she said, but he
did say, "She rang me."
I now realize that they had a mutual contact, which is why she'd
heard about him. Now, this Zulu shaman has talked widely
about extraterrestrials and his own extraterrestrial
experiences. He said that Diana rang him and said, "I
need your advice. I've got something to reveal about the
Windsors that will shake the world, and don't know how to
reveal it." He wouldn't tell me what it was. The fear on his
face was obvious as I was pressing him to tell me, and it showed
me that he was terrifically afraid. He just went into shutdown
mode.
Kenneth Burke: From your
information, which is obviously vastly researched, what are the
plans for these reptiles for the Earth in the next two or three
years?
David Icke: What we call
the New World Order is the
reptilian fourth dimensional agenda. They want to create
chaos in the world, including massive wars. So, this structure
of world government, world central bank, world currency,
electronic banking and no cash at all, a microchip population
and a world army, which is NATO... as I've been writing
about for years in my books... the global police force.
They are planning to create tremendous chaos across the
millennium years, using a global version of the most powerful
mind control techniques, which I call
problem-reaction-solution; you create the problem, you get
the "something must be done" reaction from the public, and then
you offer the solution that you wanted enacted in the first
place.
If you want to introduce global solutions, you need global
problems, and I foresee this coming, big time. The problem
apparently is that the planet's frequency on the planet is
getting faster and faster and those who knowingly
shapeshift are finding it harder and harder to hold their
human form. I'm told that there is an obsession by these reptile
beings and an almost panic to get their institutions of control
in place, especially the microchip population. They know
that in a few years that the frequency of the planet will have
reached a speed in which it will no longer be possible for them
to hold their human form no matter what they do, and we'll
finally see that it is the reptiles who have been running our
planet.
Kenneth Burke: They won't be able to hide anymore.
David Icke: Right. By this time, the insiders tell me,
the reptiles want the microchip population in
place, they want the world army, NATO, in place and they
want to have as much physical control as possible of our three
dimensional world so that we humans, in the reptiles opinion,
can do nothing about their control of our planet.
