by Dr. Joseph Mercola
Americans Free Again, led by Pam Popper, is fighting to
preserve American freedoms and has a proven strategy that
ensures we can win
launching strategic legal challenges across the U.S. Rather
than arguing the unconstitutionality of mandates, they
challenge the legal basis of the emergency declaration that
allowed the mandates to be rolled out in the first place
also teach Americans everywhere how to start and build their
own local parallel societies where members take care of each
other and work toward the same goal
short-, medium- and long-term goals of Make Americans Free
Again are to free Americans from government tyranny, address
all medical mandates and, ultimately, design and launch a
superior medical system
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Dr. Pam Popper is interviewed and details her
successes in pushing back against
The importance of re-building community groups,
where face-to-face interaction can occur is
critical, but at the same time using the judicial
system to throw in the proverbial monkey wrench.
Pam Popper is the president of
Wellness Forum Health
and cofounder of
Make Americans Free Again, which plays a
significant role in the fight to help preserve freedoms.
An important part of that
task is building a powerful community and, as noted by Popper,
"COVID has brought
some people together who probably should know each other
better," and that includes us.
Popper and I are aligned
with respect to our desire to educate the public about fundamental
health principles, including foundational basics for preventing and
We are also in agreement that the COVID 'pandemic' is a cover for
something else entirely:
a global takeover by
And finally, we both
agree that participating in protest marches and signing petitions
doesn't really achieve much, and that there are far more effective
strategies, as she has demonstrated.
In 2020, Popper published the book "Covid
Operation - What Happened, Why It Happened and What's Next," which she wrote with financial
and private wealth adviser Shane Prier, in which they detail
the backstory behind the
"The background on
the situation is my company, Wellness Forum Health, is about 27
years old, and our niche is informed medical decision making. In
other words, we don't tell people what to do.
[We teach people] how
to make decisions about health the way they make decisions about
cars and houses and retirement accounts and other things that
are important to them …
Now, the medical profession has become the Wild West. Medical
journals are filled with inaccurate information. So, we added...
rules for filtering evidence, and we teach people the rules.
The rules are things
Conflicts of interest have to be considered...
We have to understand the difference between a
a cause and effect relationship, [and] something that is
statistically significant but clinically meaningless.
You get the idea.
If you're looking at a lot of information, you have to filter it
based on rules, just like you have to play football based on
rules... So, for 27 years, I've been talking about the problems
in health care, which is [that] nobody abides by any rules.
There isn't any informed decision making.
Doctors tell people
to do things and they say,
But that's not
consenting at all, in my opinion.
And so, a lot of my
research really was based on [that], and the books I wrote
revealed the incompetence of big medicine,
some of the criminal intentions, and that this [the COVID scam]
isn't new, it's just a bigger version of it.
The second week in March of 2020, I knew what this was because I
had covered fake 'pandemic's in the past. There was one in the
1950s, there was one in the 1970s,
another one in 2009.
These are just the
big ones that got a lot of attention. So, I knew what this was.
I do some business in
China; I knew what they were up to.
So, I put out this very controversial video report. I didn't
think it was going to be controversial. I was just reporting the
news, which I had done on video twice a week for [years].
Instead of the usual few dozen responses, I got 3,500 responses
to this video and they included death threats and hysteria -
'You're going to be responsible for killing people' - the whole
And I thought, wow,
this is just something else. So that's how this all started.
If you go back and watch that original video, I said that this
took place in China, they did it deliberately, that they had
reasons and motivations for doing this, that this was a fake
'pandemic' and the end game was forced vaccination.
It was a 15-minute
video, but that was the bottom line. And unfortunately, it
turned out to all be true. I wish I'd been wrong about it.
As [the 'pandemic'] went on, I just kept doing more and more
research, posting more and more videos.
And at some point,
probably late spring or early summer, I realized the breadth and
depth of this whole thing and knew that they were never going to
stop, and we had to do something about it.
That's when we formed
Make Americans Free Again."
One of the primary ways in which Make Americans Free Again is
fighting the tyranny is by filing lawsuits against
"We have three
branches of government, and the executive branch - with very few
exceptions, for example, Ron DeSantis in Florida - has
gone completely rogue.
They now operate as
emperors and empresses, rulers over their people. So, you can't
deal with those people. The legislatures up until recently have
been fairly useless.
The only reason they're doing anything now is really to protect
themselves, in my opinion, not because they're looking out for
people. So, you have one branch of government left, which is the
We [knew] we were going to have to use that in order to,
these people for what they did,
committing fraud and hurting and killing people."
By early summer 2020, a
slew of lawsuits had been filed across the U.S.
was highly uncoordinated.
People weren't thinking
There was no cohesive strategy, and that was their
downfall, Popper says.
She estimates some 6,000
lawsuits have failed in court, causing many to give up on the
judicial system as well.
Not Popper, though.
"We've been winning
in court and I'll tell you how in a minute. But it is better to
stop, think and [then] do something. Less activity, more
deliberately performed, is a better idea.
Interestingly enough, I heard from this lawyer in Florida who
had made the same observation as me.
This hurry up and
file strategy isn't working, so,
why don't we look
at these lawsuits and figure out what they're doing wrong?
And this is very,
very important for anybody listening to this who just wants to
hurry up and file.
What people were doing was filing the lawsuit against the
violating our constitutional rights.'
And you know what the
government would say?
'Oh, we know we
are, but we don't have any choice because it's an
And then the judge
would rule in the government's favor.
We filed the very first lawsuit challenging the emergency
declaration itself in Ohio, accusing our governor of fraud.
'There is no
emergency. You declared this fraudulently, and therefore all
the actions that you've taken are not warranted.'
And the thing that I
think people don't realize, not living in Ohio, is that we were
the model state.
People think it's California [or] New York, but we were the
first to shut down, first to close the schools, first to cancel
events, first to close bars and restaurants.
Why is that?
Because the criminals
behind this needed a very popular conservative governor who
could do well on Fox and CNBC and MSNBC.
Every Sunday, our
little criminal was the toast of the Washington shows. He was so
responsible, taking care of his people.
By the time we filed our lawsuit on August 31 , we knew a
second shutdown was coming. By this point in time, we had some
intelligence coming from government employees and that sort of
thing. We never got locked down a second time.
We won when we filed, because we avoided the second lockdown.
think that the people behind this told the emperor, DeWine,
'Let this alone,
don't do something that would make this judge just snap his
fingers and order discovery.'
So, we didn't get a
The other thing that happened is there was virtually no
enforcement of the restrictions that were left in terms of
gathering limits and that sort of thing... Because of that, we
thought, OK, this is a good strategy.
So, we started doing
more of it and we filed several lawsuits in several states.
For those people who don't have confidence in the court, first
of all, look at some of the lawsuits that have been filed.
They're bad ones. If I was the judge, I would throw them out
too, because the judge can't make law.
The judge has to go
with what the law says.
The second thing is that there are bad judges and bad courts,
but our strategy has been to file with a coordinated legal team,
because the most important thing they want to avoid, and we've
seen this in every lawsuit, is discovery, because,
I don't need them 36
times. I need them one time and then the whole legal team gets
One judge in the United States of America someplace is going to
give us discovery.
I can't talk about
where, but we think that's in the process of happening right now
in one of the court cases, and then everybody will [have that
Cases Make Americans Free Again have won include one in which they
represented the New York City police.
They won an injunction
until trial on the COVID jab mandate for the police force. In
Florida, their attorney won a lawsuit against the City of
Gainesville, which was implementing a "vaccinate or terminate"
They've also seen general changes in behavior as a result of these
and other lawsuits.
"We've put the
criminals on notice that now judges are watching, so everything
you do is subject to being hauled back into court and saying,
'Look at what these people are doing'." Popper says.
Across the U.S., they're
challenging the emergency orders, demanding the state prove there's
an actual emergency afoot.
So far, none has been
able to provide any evidence that COVID-19 is a public health
emergency. Instead of proving an emergency exists, state defense
lawyers have spent all their energy on motions to have the cases
In Ohio, Popper feels they have been successful by applying pressure
on the governor through the courts. DeWine converted the Ohio State
Fair to a virtual event, and it appeared that he was planning to
restrict or cancel big summer events.
But in what many people
considered a surprise, he lifted the emergency declaration and made
Ohio a free state. We'll never know, but it might have been because
our case was still pending in court.
We then withdrew it
because we got our way.
Popper is also planning to make some still yet unrevealed
"We're getting ready
for some really wonderful first of the year surprises for the
criminals in charge," she says, "so stay tuned."
Of course, they're now trying to convince everyone that Omicron is a
'lethal' threat, hence the emergency powers must remain in place, but
even in the absence of a clear threat - as many now see through
the fearmongering - they're likely to keep pushing for,
more restrictions, vaccine passports, mask mandates and everything
As noted by Popper:
"They don't seem to
require any justification for anything, they just do what they
We've degenerated to living in a completely lawless
society where people get up every morning and decide what
they're going to do, much the way that communist leaders and
totalitarian dictators do.
I mean, our government resembles more the government of China or
North Korea than it does what we used to have. So, I don't think
that they really need to justify the emergency use
If they decide they're going to do it, they'll
just do it, and they've stopped giving reasons.
To that point, I thought it was very interesting when Rochelle Walensky, the head of the CDC, said,
'We're going to cut the
quarantine back to five days because that's about all we can get
people to do.'
So, in other words, our new policy is as much
tyranny as the public will swallow.
She also made a stunning admission that their research showed
that the compliance with quarantine was less than 30%. That goes
to what I've been saying all along, which is that the resistance
is much bigger than most people realize.
This is certainly what I'm experiencing building our
organization. They do a great job of making it look like
everybody's on board, but everybody's not on board.
And I still
contend that the vaccination rate is very, very low. I think they can't
even get to 60%. It was under 50% last summer. I was able to
prove it with their data …
The compliance rate has been exaggerated and it was all a mirage
to try and get people to say,
everybody else is doing it, I'll do it too. It must be OK,'
...because at that
point in time, last summer, people didn't know a lot of people
who'd been injured or died.
I think everybody
knows somebody who's been injured or died from this now."
The number of parents
refusing to jab their children is also a clear majority.
According to Popper,
parents have taken their children out of schools that mandate the
COVID jabs, and some schools have had to reverse course as a result.
Case in point:
The Los Angeles
school system dropped the COVID jab requirement when they
realized they had 30,000 unvaccinated students and if they all
left, the whole school system would cease to exist.
We have a
strategy that means we win at stuff. We
don't take on things that don't result in winning... You
save a business, you win. You get a kid out of school,
you win. You raise money and file a lawsuit, you win.
Winning is what we need for people to feel good.
"Even The New York Times covered a school in Brooklyn that had
eight teachers with nobody to teach," Popper says.
"That's the level of
Meanwhile, media are
trying their best to make it seem as though compliance is high
across the board.
She recounts one example, where a local paper
claimed compliance with the mask mandate was nearly 100%, when
wherever you went, the vast majority were maskless.
"So that is the level
All you have to do is
walk into a store and know that there is no compliance. And then
the newspaper, obviously, that was a preprint sent to them a
long time ago, [telling them that] at such and such a time,
you're supposed to publish this.
It's just laughable."
Community and Parallel Societies
Popper has also made great strides in community building, which I
believe is a crucial strategy for safeguarding our freedoms in the
This was a natural
outgrowth of the legal work.
They realized they needed
a lot of people to contribute funds, so they needed to connect with
people who were willing to pitch in to save our freedoms.
"We had the first
meeting in my office last summer and there were five people
there - me and two people who I work with, and two guests.
And so, we agreed to
do it next week, and those two people brought people. And
something happened that I did not plan. I'm going to be very
honest about this.
I'd love to tell you
that I preconceived all of this and then acted on it.
But people would come into the meeting and they would have that
shell-shocked look - like my church is closed, my neighbor's not
speaking to me, I'm realizing what's going on with my kids, it's
The organizations I
used to be involved with, they don't exist anymore.
And so now they're starting to make friends, and people who have
their kids at home are starting to connect with each other, and
all this kind of stuff. And I had this epiphany one night.
No. 1 thing these people don't want us to do is congregate,
which means the most important thing for us to do is congregate.
So, that was the beginning of building not only the body of
people it would take to fund what we need to do, but what I call
the Make Americans Free Again parallel society...
A year and a half
later, we now start a new group every three or four hours in the
United States. I'm not kidding. They're all over all 50 states.
Here's the way this works. It is a parallel society, so, the
first thing is, everything you need, you can get your group.
People found out that there were churches that didn't close,
because none of this gets advertised.
You try to stay under
the radar screen.
So, churches that were not closed, you could
go there and you didn't have to wear a mask.
People found doctors, dentists that didn't make you wear a
So, we lived a
During the worst of everything in Ohio, our
people lived a pretty normal life.
We had a fundraiser with 400
people when the gathering limits were 10, because we knew where
to do it. One of the members of
our group owned a place where we could do it.
People have also found new jobs... It is a very much cloistered
society where we do business with one another. We homeschool our
kids together, we pool our resources to fund these lawsuits, our
social life is together.
We did this program called Small Business Rescue where we would
support businesses in our community. The government doesn't have
any plan for these people, so we buy local, we support them.
So, it is a parallel
Make Americans Free Again
societies are also looking for and finding doctors who are operating
cash practices (so they're not reporting to or taking orders from
anybody) and who will provide early treatment for COVID.
"So, everything you
need, you get from your group... and I can tell you right now, I
can say this with a great deal of confidence, if I needed
something, a place to live, if I didn't have any food, if I
needed money, if I needed medical care, if I needed a job, you
know where I get that?
From my Thursday Group and the Thursday Group network. [Editor's
note: It's called Thursday Group because the group meets on
This is what is
missing. If this had all been in place [before the 'pandemic'],
they could never have done this to us. They took advantage of
the fact that society's quite fractured, that you don't have
these local connections.
People beat me up sometimes a little bit.
'Why won't you
let people have Zoom meetings?'
If we need to save a
business in Worthington, Ohio, somebody in Portland, Oregon
can't help us do that. You can't eat at this restaurant every
week and support them.
It has to be local,
local, and it has to be in person."
In the interview, Popper describes the many homeschooling benefits
and successes members are reporting, which is profoundly
Overall, the community
building, the parallel structures being created across the U.S. give
her an optimistic outlook on the future.
They're proof positive
that the whole takeover agenda is backfiring on the technocratic
"I'm optimistic with
a qualifier," she says.
"I always want people
to understand that I understand the gravity of the situation. If
you have a spouse in the hospital right now who's being
slaughtered with ventilators and
remdesivir, my rosy prognosis
might strike you like nails on a chalkboard.
I want people to know the reason I get up every morning - the
reason I invest so much of my own money and time, and I've
risked my own life to do this - is to make that right.
Having said that, with that disclaimer, my outlook for this year
is really positive and optimistic. The reason I say that is
[because] we have a quantifiable enemy. We know what they're up
to. I am watching them scramble and fail.
There is only one
reason why they would be issuing all these edicts and Biden
would say something like, 'I'm losing patience'... is because
they're not getting their way.
I think the best example of that is the CDC walking back the
recommendations on the quarantine, because we just can't get
people to do it. It's a stunning admission really to the public.
So, I think this is
going to be a year when this goes away.
Even the Israeli government is saying we're going to make
everybody get a fourth shot, but maybe we're just going to have
to let everybody go out and mingle and get some herd immunity.
There is an awakening of the government that they need to change
I like an enemy that's on the defensive. It's gone from the
offensive to the defensive. That means, and I'll give you
another caveat, that there are probably more horrifying things
in store as they flail about and try to hang onto their power.
A couple things I'll recommend.
Scott Atlas was a speaker
at our conference this last year and he's the former adviser to
He wrote a book
called 'A Plague Upon Our
It's a horrifying
book, mainly because he reveals the stupidity and ineptitude of
Atlas told us that Fauci can't even pronounce medical terms
properly and Birx doesn't understand statistics. Most eighth
graders have a better grasp of math than she does.
What people like that
do is they flail about when they are failing because they don't
have the skill set to do anything else...
So we're going to see
some of that kind of behavior, but at the end of the day, this
time next year, I think we will be in an entirely different
A lot of our freedoms will be restored and a lot of the nonsense
will go away.
Then it just is a
matter of spending the rest of our lives, just like we've done
with the Nazis, tracking these people down and making them pay
for what they did.
And believe it or not, last fall, they were
trying a 100-year-old Nazi in Berlin for what he did.
be the same thing.
We'll be looking for
them in South America, in China and every place else to bring
them to justice."
How to Start
Your Own 'Thursday Group'
For liability and other reasons, Make Americans Free Again cannot
connect you with already existing groups. You have to start your
own, which is what they teach you.
provide everything you need.
My email address is
firstname.lastname@example.org. You can email me. I hold conference calls
every week during which I share our entire strategy and tell
people how to get started working with us...
Get engaged with
us, donate money if you can.
Do what you need to do to keep yourself in a positive frame of
mind, and starting a group and gathering a group of like-minded
people is important... We can go from having felt quite
powerless to being the most powerful people in the country, if
we're smart about it.
You start with one other person. People forget, I'm leading a
group with hundreds of thousands of people, but it started with
So, you just start
with somebody who sees things the way you do. We give you a
meeting format. We have training programs for our meeting
We have meeting leader conference calls every other week. We
have a meeting leader coordinator in the office...
Every Thursday, we
send out the update, what the agenda is going to be, here's the
video you're going to show, so nobody has to spend all day
researching what am I going to talk about.
We follow the same
format every week, so we make it as easy as possible.
And that's how you
I heard a lot from people when this all began,
'I don't know
anybody and it's too hard, this is outside of my comfort
The longer this has
gone on, the more people have said,
'What's going on
is so far outside of my comfort zone that starting this
group seems like it's easy by comparison.'
So, I promise you, if
you do this, we'll support you in every way possible, and you
can't mess it up if you just follow our format.
We have a strategy that means we win at stuff. We don't take on
things that don't result in winning. For example, I don't have
any particular objection to petitions and declarations, but I
haven't seen them solve this.
Great Barrington Declaration got half a million signatures
and tens of thousands were doctors and well-respected health
professionals. It did nothing.
Great statement, but
it doesn't change anything.
The biggest protests in the world are in Germany and Australia.
Take a look over there, that doesn't change anything. Protests
are great for people to get together, but when you promise
people that it's going to make a difference and it doesn't, it
We have people who are demoralized.
They need to feel like
they're winning, and when people come to our groups, what they
see is winning.
You save a
business, you win.
You get a kid out
of school, you win.
You raise money
and file a lawsuit, you win.
Winning is what we
need for people to feel good. Getting them involved in more
stuff that results in failure, not so good.
So, we're really
focused and disciplined."