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RENSE: Welcome back. I hope you had a great weekend. And we are of course in
the heat of the summer - most of the US surrounded by constant reports of
bizarre weather. I don't have to go into details - most of you have seen
examples of it on the Internet and in the mainstream media as well. It's a
Certainly a hot one again tonight on the program. Benjamin Fulford...
RENSE: Hi, Ben. Hang on. Let me do a brief intro here, and then we'll get
right to you.
For our listeners who don't know, Mr. Fulford is a Tokyo-based journalist
who appeared on this program on July the 5th, 2007, making some very radical
- and some would say hopeful - claims.
According to Benjamin Fulford, a Chinese secret society with 6 million
members, including 1.8 million Asian gangsters and 100,000 professional
assassins, have targeted Illuminati members who they perceive to have world
depopulation plans - a subject we have talked about for many years on this
program, off and on. That is the depopulation effort - Global 2000, among
They contacted Ben Fulford, a Canadian expatriate, after he warned that the
Illuminati planned to reduce the Asian population to about half a billion
people - about 500 million - by means of racial or genetic-specific
SARS? Well, in his first conversation, SARS was pointed out by Ben
Fulford as being quite likely an Asia-specific or ethno-specific weapon - a
biological weapon. I noticed [this] actually when it happened, and it broke
out in the Orient and made its way here to Canada.
In a Canadian newspaper they published all the photographs of the fatal SARS
victims in Canada. About 95 percent of them were Asian. I immediately said
there was something suspicious about that, and drew some conclusions, which
may well be true.
With Ben Fulford as their spokesman now, the word is out. This Asian -
Chinese - secret society is taking on
the Illuminati. At least that's the
Tonight, in Part Two of our exclusive conversation with Ben Fulford, we're
going to cover many new issues as well as expand on the earlier ones as
well. I will also open the phones a bit later on for your questions.
As you might well imagine, Mr. Fulford's first visit here rattled and
rumbled its way around the world on the Internet, and continues to do so
tonight. It's also an appearance you can hear for free on
You can also read all the stories relating to that first visit on July the
5th, and several essays written by Mr. Fulford himself.
You also may recall he was the Asia-Pacific bureau chief for eight years for
Forbes magazine and remains a professional journalist, as I said, based in
Tokyo, Japan, where we go now to say hello. Welcome back, Benjamin Fulford.
Thanks for being here, Ben!
FULFORD: Yeah, it's a great pleasure. A great honor.
RENSE: The pleasure is mine, sir. We covered so many things last time, and
there are a lot of things to go over tonight. We're going to try to bring
many of those earlier things into further focus, delineate some, and
elaborate on others.
One of the things that intrigued me - and when
you mentioned it, I was certainly one of maybe millions who began
looking up, on Google or other search engines, information about your
great grandfather - G.T. Fulford.
That was fascinating to hear about his interest, support and apparent
He was apparently murdered. He died in an automobile accident, and I think
it was 1905. Was that the year of his death?
FULFORD: Yes, it was.
RENSE: There sure as hell weren't a lot of cars running in 1905. One
FULFORD: I believe it was the first fatal car accident in Canadian history,
although it took place in Massachusetts.
RENSE: Bizarre. Bizarre. Cars back then didn't do much more than 20-25 miles
an hour, I wouldn't think.
FULFORD: Yeah. There was an erratic driver who somehow managed to crash
through to my great grandfather in a horse-drawn bus, while he, himself,
(the driver) stayed perfectly safe.
RENSE: He struck your grandfather with the car?
FULFORD: He managed to get the car and hit a horse-drawn bus in such a way
that only my great grandfather died.
RENSE: A horse-drawn bus.
FULFORD: Yes. [clears throat]
RENSE: Now that's something I've seen in old photographs, of course. This is
even more bizarre.
Now at the time, your grandfather was a very wealthy man. He was not very
old, either. What was he, 50 years old? 45 to 50?
FULFORD: Yeah. He was 50. He was the largest shareholder in General Electric
and he was about to buy a company that we know of today as General Motors.
RENSE: Huh. And he had made his fortune, as I recall reading, in patenting
early medicines - so-called modern medicines.
FULFORD: Yeah. The big hit was something called
Fulford's Pink Pills for
Pale People, which were basically iron tablets. In those days everyone had
anemia, because of the new food processing technology.
RENSE: Huh. Now with all the iron added to foods, people have overdoses of
FULFORD: Back then they had anemia.
I know there was sort of a spooky thing about him. This is something that
makes you wonder.
The longest serving prime minister in Canadian history was named
(ph). He was Prime Minister for more than 20 years, and was considered to
have been a very good Prime Minister.
When he died, they found diaries. They found he made his political decisions
by consulting a crystal ball, and contacting spirits.
RENSE: [Laughs] I shouldn't laugh, because the Reagans did much the same, of
course. Nancy Reagan, it is said, an awful lot of input was from her psychic
in San Francisco.
FULFORD: Yeah. The other thing is that [the Prime Minister's] psychic was my
RENSE: Oh really!
FULFORD: And the person he was consulting was my great-grandfather!
RENSE: And the crystal ball was just a...
FULFORD: Well, it was supposed to [help you] hypnotize yourself so you could
get in touch with the spirit world, something like that.
RENSE: Run that by me again. Your great-grandmother was the psychic he
RENSE: And your great-grandfather was...
FULFORD: The spirit he was getting advice from.
RENSE: Now when you say spirit, are you saying spirit after your grandfather
FULFORD: Yes. I am talking about the 1930s and 40s.
RENSE: How strange. This was going on for a long time, apparently. And this
was in his private diary! Huh.
FULFORD: Yep. So it's one of those more bizarre [things like,] "You'll have
to wait until midnight, Friday the 13th, to make the more important
RENSE: [Laughs] Well, that's good. Why not? We have a lot of precedents.
It is also a fact that many, if not most - a lot of you may wince at this
- major corporations and businesses actually do consult with psychics, and
some actually have some on the payroll. And they won't make a major decision
without clearing it with the psychic.
Astrology is used, of course - it's not a crystal ball technology,
necessarily. But that's fascinating. I didn't know [that]. Tell me more, if
there is any.
FULFORD: Well, the other thing was that you were supposed to look at the
first dream of the night, and that was supposed to be predictive. A lot of
this was taught to me by my grandmother.
I think that all the rich people use fortune-telling. Forget about anything
psychic. People want to know what's going to happen in the future. If they
have it for oil markets, for example - oil futures or something - this way
of predicting or looking forward into the future, and they discourage that
in us, right?
But if it rains up in the mountains, you can predict the river will flow
higher later on - so there's a lot of stuff you can predict about the
future that is based on hard science. [The powers that be] try to discourage
us from looking into the future, but big corporations and rich people all do
that. They hire two thousand-dollar-an-hour psychics out there.
RENSE: I've heard of them. We've talked about them for many years. It is
true that as a culture, young people are immediately jumped upon and
thwarted when they start to report a so-called psychic experience - whether
they see colors around people, whether they talk to spirits, whether they
have a spirit or invisible friends.
In fact, in Britain, there was a major paper
- just as a quick aside here - last week that posted it, maybe you saw it. Parents are now being advised
to encourage their young children when they talk about having invisible
playmates or invisible friends. Very interesting indeed.
FULFORD: In any case, I want to talk more about
RENSE: I'm sure they're listening, so go right ahead. [Laughs]
FULFORD: This is of vital interest. For years, the Japanese were telling me
that the Americans were ruled as a monarchy by the Rockefellers. I'm
thinking, "These people are superstitious Orientals." And they're thinking,
"Oh, these Westerners are so brainwashed, they don't even know they're
I finally started doing the research. For example, just before my appearance
on this show, I went and met a senior boss of the Yamaguchi crime syndicate.
This is a hundred thousand - well, they control most of the gangsters in
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They told me that the way the US government works is a little bit like the
diamond monopolies, from the New York diamond cartel.
RENSE: Okay, let me ask you to hold it right there. We'll pause, do our
business and pick this right back up. Was that Yamaguchi crime syndicate?
FULFORD: Yamaguchi crime syndicate.
RENSE: Okay, very good. Stay right there, Ben. We'll pause and come right
back. Part Two of our conversation exclusive here, for you, with journalist
Benjamin Fulford, live from Japan. We'll be right back.
RENSE: All right, we're back with you and Ben Fulford. Ben, you went to see
the head of a major crime family.
FULFORD: A fifty-thousand member gang.
RENSE: Ok. Excuse me. Just by way of journalism, don't give away details you
don't need to. How did you get word to this person? Is it something where
they said, "Sure, Ben, come on down, let's talk?" Then I have a follow-up
question after that.
FULFORD: I've known people for years and years now. I've been quite friendly
with them. I don't do any business with them, but we trade information.
I started as a financial journalist. When I realized that all the bank money
was disappearing into gangsters' drug companies, I started cultivating these
sources. And I got a very high-level one. I've known them for years.
RENSE: Very good. In short, what was their response to your first visit on
the program, from the secret society? Expand upon the question, and then
we'll go back to the specifics of what you asked them.
What was the response of those people, whose interests you are representing,
to your first visit on the program, your appearance on
Rense.com and so
FULFORD: They generally were happy with it, but they told me it was very
uncouth of me to have been so threatening and blustery. Stuff like that is
usually [handled by saying], "Yes, I'm sad", and implicit - you're supposed
to be more polite, you know?
RENSE: That would seem to be the Asian MO, and I can understand that,
although the point was made. I think that was the larger issue at hand - to
make the point. And I think you did it very clearly and succinctly.
All right. Back to the issue of your talk with the head of this large Asian
FULFORD: These people have told me, yes, we subcontract for the
Rockefellers. The way the world of crime runs is these people control the
money and they control the oil.
Just like when you have the De Beers diamond monopoly, you have what they
call this kite (ph). A bunch of men get together in a room, and they have a
pile of diamonds. They divide them into a pile for each, and then these
people decide who gets what down the stream.
They do the same with oil and with cash. A small group of men get together
and they come up with themes. They came up with this war on terror theme.
The idea was to find an excuse to seize all the central Asian oil resources.
At the same time, they wanted to find an excuse to sell lots more weapons.
And they want to expand their geopolitical goals by subduing China in the
So this is how the word really works. It's a bunch of men in a secret room
who control the dollars and oil, and decide everything. I don't think that
is the proper way for a planet to be managed. These people are gangsters. So
instead of having the meanest bullies run the planet, I would think a
committee of the largest saviors would be better.
RENSE: It does seem to be a rat race amongst the meanest killer, rapist,
environmentally destructive, damaging, annihilating bullies of them all.
You're right. The meanest SOB, most psychopathic SOB on the planet wins.
FULFORD: What happened to me was I suddenly realized the Japanese have
enough money to end poverty, stop all environmental destruction in a matter
of two or three years.
They could wipe poverty, disease and environmental destruction from this
planet. And ignorance. It would be so easy!
So I started asking,
"Why don't you do this?"
And they finally told me the
"The Rockefellers won't let us do it. They want that money for
themselves, so they can make weapons and play with the world as if it was
RENSE: And they don't give a good god-damn about the individual at all.
That's the bottom line.
FULFORD: No, they think of them as serfs, or that there's too many of them
- they want a big purge.
These people think of themselves as separate.
I talked to another scholar. People were upset when I said Abraham was Hammurabi. What we really have to do is go back to Nimrod in order to
understand this whole situation.
There were a lot of people living in Babylonia, farming people. Five
thousand seven hundred and seventy-one years ago, they were invaded by
), (ph) who were a tribe of pastorials (ph). And they came and said,
"There's got to be a way to herd humans the way we herd sheep."
They are the people who have ever since been herding people.
RENSE: Herding and culling people.
FULFORD: And culling. Yes. They think they are entitled to their cull
- they can take young women, play with them and then kill them. Whatever.
That's their right, [they believe].
RENSE: They think they're demigods.
FULFORD: I know a princess who met them. They said, "Yeah, we're gods.
Rockefeller is Zeus." They think of themselves as God, but they're not.
They've inbred themselves into stupidity, and they're in very, very severe
danger right now. I'm trying to save their lives, and they don't realize it.
If I were them, I would be terrified. You've got 85 percent of the American
public against them. When the people in the West catch on to their
existence, they're going to be furious. That's why they have to keep
themselves secret. They spend all this energy fighting, trying to keep
people from being aware that they exist.
So here they are. Everyone on the planet hates them now. They have no
support. Russia is against them, China is against them, Japan has turned
against them, India...
RENSE: Russia remembers, almost down at the genetic level, what those people
did to their country over the last century. The Bolsheviks, the slaughter,
the horrible, horrible decimation and liquidation of probably well over 50
million people, many of whom were Christians. Not that [their religion]
really matters, but that's the issue.
And they certainly all were innocent, and they all were of European
FULFORD: The other thing is maybe the Anglo-Saxons and Jews rule the world,
but when you get to the higher levels, they are told, "Neither of you rule
anything. You are a slave. We rule the world."
RENSE: We'll come back in a minute, Ben, hold on. We'll further define who
the enemy is. It's not Jews, it's not Christians, it's something else.
You made a good point in private correspondence to me - how to throw away
the obvious potential criticism about your message being somewhat
anti-Semitic in nature, which of course it isn't.
We'll clear that up, and do some other things as we continue our
conversation in Part Two, in just a few minutes.
RENSE: And we return to our conversation with Benjamin Fulford, live from
All right, Ben, let's really define the enemy as best we can. I know it was
interesting, and one of the ways it was phrased to me was if you take all of
the so-called anti-Jewish, anti-Zionist, anti-Semitic material, and reduce
it all down to anything BUT anti-Jewish material, you'll have a pretty good
sketch of who the enemy is.
This is not an issue of Jewish people or Judaism
- it is an issue that goes
much beyond that. [This group], as we know, has used Judaism and continues
to use dumb Christian Zionists today as well. That's quite a clever and
sophisticated group of people. They've been around a long time. So tell us
FULFORD: They are the elite - the [descendants of] ancient Babylonian
kings. Their job is always to control the masses. So in a sense, a lot of
the Jews never really escaped from Babylonia to this day - they just don't
I think what happens is [the Jews] get used like a matador's cape. Any time
[the controllers] do something that pisses people off and [the people] get
angry, [the controllers] flash the Jews as the red cape.
RENSE: They sure do. And they hung them out to dry and sacrificed them in
World War II. We know that now through the work of Jewish scholars - Lenny
Brenner, Henry Makow, Ph.D. and a number of others who found the truth out.
If you really want to read the truth, direct from a man who was in the
middle of it, read 'Ten Questions to the Zionists' by
Rabbi Michael Dov
Weissmandl. That's on
Rense.com at the left side. Read it from a Jewish man
himself - a rabbi who was there! Check it out.
FULFORD: The Simon Wiesenthal center tried to get one of my books banned
here in Tokyo. Rabbi Cooper, from the Wiesenthal Center, came over to the
foreign correspondents' club. And I asked him, "Why do you want my book
banned?" He said it's because I mentioned that President Bush killed 650,000
people in Iraq, which was based on an emergency medical magazine.
So here we have a so-called polite (ph) people trying to ban a book because
it denounces genocide!
RENSE: The hypocrisy is really beyond measure when it comes to these people.
They've been at it for a long, long time. They manipulate the media - in
fact they OWN most of the media, so it makes their job very easy.
When you mix into that soup control of the mass entertainment media as well
- motion pictures more specifically - you can understand how generation
after generation are being literally mind-controlled and mind-engineered to
the extent that if you say anything in many cases against Israel or Jewish
Zionist policy vis-à-vis Israel, you are immediately jumped upon - not only
by Jews but by non-Jews as well - as being some sort of a bigot. It's quite
a feat they've come up with.
FULFORD: Remember, we're only talking in the US about
six or seven families.
They changed their names and interbred, but they are the descendants of the
bankers who took over the Fed in 1913.
I have to go back to that old era to find the data, but in 1918 the ten
richest men owned 70 percent of the economy.
So we're talking very few people who are like kings, and control most of
your money. You don't see them. They hide behind this elaborate camouflage
you think of as your economy.
RENSE: Sure, and they manage Jekyll Island
- they hatched the Fed. They've
been at it for a long time. We've all been studying history and understand
at least the basics of it.
FULFORD: If the American people took that [money] back, I would say there
would be an immediate windfall of a hundred thousand dollars for every man,
woman and child in the country.
RENSE: Oh, at least!
Excuse me, let me say one other thing about the so-called Iraq war, which
has been nothing less than a genocidal annihilation of a people - a culture
which goes back thousands of years - and a country. This is one of the
biggest outrages, the biggest perversions of human values I've ever seen.
If we were to take the money that Bush and Cheney and those incredibly evil
people have spent on the Iraq/Afghanistan wars - and again I use the word
'wars' advisably - we would have enough money to pay for universal
healthcare for all Americans for about 15 years right now!
And if you don't believe me, just go see the movie "Sicko" and then do the
FULFORD: Absolutely. These people have been draining money out of the
Americans for years now, along with the Japanese, for some secret project.
For example, they have a monopoly on oil. They get together and say, "We'll
take turns." One person says, "Oh, jeez, our refinery is kind of rusty.
We'll have to shut it down."
Then the next guy's turn: "Oh, jeez, we've got a hole in our pipeline. We'll
have to shut down." And they crank up the prices artificially.
What they're doing is they're draining money out of all the Americans'
pockets to finance some secret projects.
RENSE: It's a parasite. They're bleeding the American public and the
Japanese public. I remember very well the inconvenient Alaska pipeline leak
which popped up, and prices went up. The story now is that the refineries
are antiquated, they're at maximum capacity, they haven't been upgraded in
years and they're not able to handle the demand.
That's a bunch of crap. All of it. And you're right
- you're 100 percent
FULFORD: In any case, these people are in severe trouble.
have been brainwashed, but they know something is wrong. They are 80 percent
against the Congress and the President.
RENSE: Congress has an approval rating, by the way Ben, of 14 percent.
FULFORD: Yeah. In other words, even though they don't know what is wrong,
they know something is very wrong.
So now these people are very, very isolated. They've lost Russia. The whole
world is against them. They know people are against them. They are in
extraordinarily deep trouble.
I am offering to save their asses if they will retire gracefully. Otherwise
they are going to be doomed.
I've already saved Rockefeller's life twice now. When the Chinese approached
me first, they were talking about starting off by killing 200 of those
people, and then starting to negotiate.
I said "No no no, I'm not a gangster, I'm against killing. No no no. Don't
do that. Let's talk to these people first."
So I talked on your show, and a senior member of the Japanese security
police told me that because of what you leaked on the Internet, they are
going to attack
Nigata with their earthquake weapons.
I said, "Oh, come on. I don't believe that." Then, BOOM! BOOM!
Two days in succession, [there were] identical earthquakes - right under
the nuclear power plant!
RENSE: When were you told this, Ben?
FULFORD: Before it happened. After I appeared on your show and I put stuff
out on the Internet about the Illuminati.
RENSE: I think your journalist experience tells you that
certainly exists to do something like that.
Earthquake faults are targets
- they can be made to slip.
[The second quake also happened just hours before the 7/17 "Fire the Grid"
meditation, an event millions of people participated in. It may have been
planned to occur at the exact moment of the meditation. This would have
created a demoralizing effect on those who participated and reinforce
Illuminati belief in their being the gods of this world. (Transcriber)]
FULFORD: And I got an email [from the Rockefeller Illuminati] saying, "You
got your answer."
So the Chinese said, "Okay. Well, let's move now. Let's do it. They made
their move." I said, "No no no."
The [controllers] don't understand how powerful these [Chinese secret
society] people are and what they can do - they underestimate the danger
there is. I'm the only thing standing between them and total death - oblivion for their whole clan!
And I'm not talking about the Jews here
- I'm talking about this secret
group of Satanists. They can all be wiped out in a matter of days. And I'm
saying, "No no no no, please!"
I cried about the deaths in Nigata. I said, "Oh, jeez, these people died and
I'm trying to save these really nasty people's lives."
So I'm going to give them one more chance. I'm going to invite David
Rockefeller to meet me at Fulford Place in Brockville, Ontario - Canada.
RENSE: All right. Stand by right there, Ben, we'll come back in just a
RENSE: All right. Welcome back. I encourage all of you to take a listen to
this program, as it is already fascinating. We'll have it up for you to
listen to for free again. Hopefully we'll get another transcript up for you
to study and pay close attention.
Now Ben Fulford has just dropped another foot and said that he is calling
for a meeting. Let's back up a little bit, revisit that and lay it out on
the table clearly.
FULFORD: Okay. Here's what's happening. I am the only thing standing between
them and the most horrible - something worse than they can imagine. I am
their link to survival. They need to understand that very clearly. I am
their best friend.
I am offering
a meeting [with] David Rockefeller. I will be expecting a
friendly answer within 48 hours. Otherwise, I will have to move on to Plan
And let me tell you - beyond Plan B, it is planned all the way up to Plan Z
and beyond. There is no stopping it.
RENSE: Okay, let's talk about Plan A. Now where would you like this meeting
to occur? You want to hear from them in 48 hours. We don't have to give a
contact phone number - they know exactly where you are. So where do you
want the meeting to occur?
FULFORD: At the old Fulford mansion in Brockville, Ontario. It's now a
Canadian government museum, but I thought it would be appropriate.
RENSE: [Your grandfather] G.T.'s former home?
FULFORD: Yeah. It's a major tourist attraction now. Anyone up in that part
of the world, Brockville, Ontario - I recommend it as a very interesting
place to visit, to see how the robber barons lived at the turn of the
RENSE: Pretty appropriate idea. All right.
Now for the record, and from a journalist's position over here, I must say
that after your first visit, many people - I would suggest a huge number of
people around the world - were rather elated by the potential of something
on the planet that could stand up to these evil Satanists, Zionists,
whatever you want to call them, and stop them.
Some would also suggest that the removal of one, or two of them, or ten of
them, or a hundred of them - these being the most evil people on the planet
- would be a very small price to pay for peace, and an end to the genocide
of us regular folks, going back two hundred years.
In the case of Iraq, [it is] now totaling probably over two million people,
since Bush 41 was in office and first invaded Iraq in the early 90s.
Now what are the lives of human beings worth? Is a mother in Baghdad's life
worth the same as one of the top evil Satanist kingpins on the planet? I
would suggest yes. I have always been an equal-opportunity mourner, so to
They, of course, don't view it that way. So just so you know, the response
here was, from many people, "Hell yes! I hope the Asians do something to
stop what's going on. We can't get our Congress to do it. Our administration
is no longer 'our' administration. It is out of control, and we need some
That was the response I generally received.
FULFORD: I think the whole world is going to come to help. Everyone has
reached the point of no return. These [Rockefeller-led] people are
desperate. They are planning something horrendous in August. That's not
going to be allowed to take place.
We all know that when Congress recesses, these people are in danger. They
The reason why I was against the killing of these people first is because
you could start a tit-for-tat. They control enormous destructive potential;
the earthquake machine was an example.
I'm hoping to get them to gracefully back down, and we can start running
this planet in a more sane manner.
RENSE: We all do. We agree on that a hundred percent, Ben.
For those of you who didn't notice - I hope you did, I had a lot of stories
about it - the Japanese earthquakes, and there were several of them, took
the world's largest nuclear power plant out of commission.
The leaking and damage was far worse than we were told
- a big surprise.
A), they took it offline for at least a year - that's what the experts are
saying now. It will take a year, at least, to get it back and functioning.
So that [disaster] was a huge thing.
FULFORD: The other amazing thing is that they predicted this in advance.
This surprised me. Until then, I was skeptical. But when the Chinese heard
about this, they said, "Okay, it's time to make our move."
I said, "Wait. I'm going to give them one last chance."
RENSE: So the Chinese did not like this earthquake idea one bit. They know
they are equally as vulnerable to a natural catastrophe of one kind or
FULFORD: Well, yeah. Also, a lot of the members of the society are Japanese.
It's not just a Chinese society.
RENSE: I understand. You made that clear. When I say a 'natural'
[catastrophe], I use that, of course, in quotes.
FULFORD: The thing is, a lot of people who are in these elite groups don't
want to be there. They were born there or inducted, and they have a choice
to either be there or die.
So they're trapped too. They are as much, in their own way, victims of the
system - although they have been doing incredible evil for centuries now.
They are getting close to [fulfilling] some secret plan. Think about, for
example, the three trillion dollars that disappeared - all this cranking up
of oil prices, and forcing both parents to work. Here in Japan, [they are]
forcing the people into low-paying jobs.
They are extracting money for some humongous secret project. And I think
they weren't planning to do it this soon, but they feel cornered. I am
worried that they are going to do something totally horrendous.
RENSE: The money which disappeared from the Pentagon alone is said
- [static noise] and we are going to try to clear up this static on the phone
line at the top of the hour - it's fine to get a little static once in a
while - at least we're able to speak to Ben tonight.
The Fulford revelations are right on the money. He just mentioned three and
a half trillion dollars. A lot of this perhaps went over some of the
listeners' heads, because you don't know.
When [laughs] a certain gentleman was in charge of the finances of the
Pentagon, three and a half TRILLION dollars vanished. Okay?
That certain gentleman happened to have dual citizenship in the United
States and Israel. I think you know the story by now.
So three and a half trillion there, a trillion here, a half a billion
there... [huge static on Fulford line] ...it continues to go. Are you still
FULFORD: Yeah, I'm still here.
RENSE: That was a big explosion of static. All right. Anyway, the amount of
money they have, to do whatever they have to do, is literally limitless.
FULFORD: I'm a believer in Occam's razor. You always choose the simple
explanation for something when there's more than one explanation.
So I see all these UFO videos and stuff. I have to think, "All right, first
of all, is there an earthly explanation?" If there were aliens, you would
expect them to make themselves public.
The Rockefellers are spreading all this alien talk
- they have these secret
bases everywhere, and they are in a huge building binge. They've been
preparing some sort of nasty death fleet, and other instruments of mass
killing. They've been forced into a corner.
I want to make them gently put down those dangerous toys, and just back off
a bit, in exchange for amnesty and protection.
Right now, they think they are in a powerful position. They have all of this
hard power, but they don't realize that they have no soft power. They don't
have public support anywhere in the world. The entire planet has turned
So, they've got 700,000 people staring at each one of them. And now that the
jig is up, and people know what's going on. They are in a hopeless
situation. So I am their best choice. They'd better realize that.
As far as I am concerned, Plan B doesn't make much difference. But as far as
they're concerned, they would be much better off with Plan A, which is to
talk with me.
They have been given a phone number in Taiwan, and they have been given
information to know that there really is a six-million-man secret army.
There really are a hundred thousand professional assassins, and there really
are 1.8 million gangsters.
[The Chinese secret society] has been studying, by the way, the Freemasons
for 150 years. They have been preparing for this for 150 years!
RENSE: You mean the Chinese and Asians have been.
FULFORD: Yes. They set up their own anti-Freemason network 150 years ago.
They are ready for this.
The Freemasons didn't even know these people existed.
RENSE: You have a paper on my site:
The History of Freemasons in Japan. Very
FULFORD: I have a bit of an update on that one too. Apparently I met a
senior star, considered the biggest expert in this field. There was a period
between 1936 and 1945, when the Japanese were not under control of the
Freemasons. During that time a lot of research was published on them.
Apparently, what happened was the British came and totally demolished two
clans in southern Japan after Admiral Perry came to Japan. They forced them
to work for
the Rothschilds. They killed the emperor and installed a
16-year-old boy in his place, and that was the Meiji emperor.
So Japan was a secret colony of the Freemasons, and it still is
now the Japanese Freemasons are ready to change the status quo.
It's the best timing, because Russia is against them, China is against them,
India is against them, the Muslim world is against them, South America is
against them - everybody is against them!
They are basically doomed. This is what they have to realize.
RENSE: The Rothschilds did control Japan. They lost it. The Rockefellers, of
course, at the end of World War II, emerged victorious and claimed Japan as
their own primal territory.
By the way, for those of you - we're going to break here in just a moment
- who don't know about these three and a half trillion dollars stolen from
the Pentagon under the auspices of Zakheim, look up on Google, Rabbi Dov
Zakheim, or just Rabbi Zakheim, and type in "Pentagon trillions" with it
- and you will come up with over 10,400 hits. You can read about it right
So he's a happy guy, wherever he is right now. By the way, his company was
involved with remote control operating systems - computer systems for
jetliners, in case any of you might be able to connect the dots on that one
as well. Or the suggestive dots, at least.
So yes, Dov Zakheim was a man on the spot, and probably has received the
highest awards that Israel can award upon its dual citizens for the
shenanigans that went on there. Three and a half TRILLION dollars that went
unaccounted for! Whoops! Where did it go?
Investigations were underway when September 11th occurred. It is said that
in the Pentagon, a team of accountants, working on that very thing, just
happened to be in the way of whatever it was that hit the Pentagon that
morning - and it killed them all!
So put that in your computer and run it as well.
Okay, back in a few minutes with Ben Fulford. We're going to take some calls
in a little bit. I will give the number out now, but if you do call, expect
to be on hold for a while - but at least you'll get on the phone boards
It's 800-259-9231. 1-800-259-9231.
A little later in this next hour we will begin to take calls. My guest is
Benjamin Fulford. I am Jeff Rense. Glad you are along.
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[Break - Hour 2]
RENSE: Okay, welcome back. Hour number two coming up, our Part Two exclusive
conversation with Benjamin Fulford, live from Japan. It's quite a story.
All right, Ben. Where do you want to go next with this? You've invited David
Rockefeller to meet with you at the Fulford mansion, the Fulford estate in
Canada. You're giving them 48 hours to get back to you. They know how to get
in touch with you, no problem.
Who will be attending the meeting, beside yourself, on your side of the
FULFORD: Well, that's open. We might bring one representative from the
Chinese secret society. Basically I am a member, and I am a senior member. I
can speak for them in the West. I am not just a smokescreen. I'm actually a
participant and a leader. I can speak authoritatively.
RENSE: I had an email, Ben. They asked, "Why would you intercede to stop the
elimination of something so evil on the planet as one of these satanic
secret society people who have been engineering the murders of tens, if not
hundreds of millions of people over the centuries?"
Why would you stop? What's the issue? Is it a moral issue? What is it?
FULFORD: Part of it is a moral issue. The more important point is that if
you start by hitting them, and then they hit back, who knows what damage
they could do? You know what I mean?
FULFORD: You're talking about gang wars involving serious death. So it's
better if we can get a peaceful solution first. That's always our policy.
Fighting is a last resort.
It's not about just a few evil people, because just killing them isn't going
to do it. There's going to be some sort of horrendous retaliation.
RENSE: Well, there's a whole mechanism in place
- and if I might suggest
something, as I have said for many years - I certainly don't have the
connections you do in the Asian theater - I don't believe these people will
give up their control, under almost any circumstance. I believe they will
take the whole planet down with them rather than yield the floor to
FULFORD: Here's the point I'm making. I have given them a lot of hints. They
have these cool mind machines locked away in the basement of the NSA.
They've got their supercomputers.
If they are even half as smart as I think they are, they will have located a
singularity on the event horizon. They will have located something that
could be called God in their supercomputers.
What is happening is we are approaching a situation that is so radical that
all our human concepts are going to be meaningless.
Let me explain this a bit more. I have a girlfriend
- an ex-girlfriend who
married an American billionaire. They're going to have children soon. She is
telling me they are able to select, already, eye color, hair color, genes
for intelligence. They're already engineering super-kids.
It's a matter of time
- and not very much time, maybe 20 years at the most - before they will be able to make people immortal. Then there are going to
be people who want to start doing things like adding whale-brain genes,
eagle eyes and bat ears.
RENSE: Well, they're probably already doing that in their black-ops labs
around the world, and have been for a long time - playing gene games like
FULFORD: So we're going to end up with a whole new range of super-beings.
They're going to have all this incredible power at their disposal.
This cannot be left in the hands of [the elite]. If these people continue
with their plans, they're going to blow the future of the human race and
So I'm saying...
RENSE: Excuse me, Ben. Excuse me. What you're saying is they will create a
race of super-beings who will be elite and who will totally dominate the
planet. They probably will go about genetically reducing the common
denominator of many of the masses to an even dumber and even more
dumbed-down level. Is that what you are suggesting?
FULFORD: What I'm suggesting is that's their plan. In fact, the opposite can
be true. Everybody can be made immortal, and super - in which case we could
be, as a species, exploding into something totally new.
I think about the planet Earth a bit like a frog's egg. Imagine a frog's egg
in a pond, and a tadpole is starting to develop. The eye is getting formed.
You can see inside the egg. You say, "Hmm." You see these other eggs. You
wonder if there's tadpoles in those eggs too.
But there's a worry. They're running out of yolks. So some people say, maybe
just to deal with the yolk shortage we should eat the tail.
And that's what these people are doing to the planet. That's what they're
thinking. But in fact, this thing is about to be a tadpole, swimming out
there. It's better to prepare, to know what you're doing, because otherwise
you're going to get eaten by the first pike that comes along.
As a species, we are reaching some sort of breakthrough point of enormous
proportions. I liken this to the Cambrian explosion.
This is not based on something like "I smoked on a beach", or something.
It's based on hard science: that immortality, infinite energy and then
instant communications with large amounts of human brains is going to create
something we've never seen before.
So for these people to take this potential Cambrian explosion, and ruin it
by slaughtering humanity and enslaving people - it's just not going to
There's a tsunami coming and they cannot stop it.
So I'm like a monkey. I show up at a mountain and there's a boss monkey. He
says, "Hey, what are you doing here? We'll kill you if you keep talking
I say, "Look, I've got all these buddies behind me. If it came to a fight, I
could probably whoop your ass."
But it's not about fighting. Look at the event horizon. Things are getting
much bigger than you expected.
They don't believe in God? There is proof, in their supercomputers now, of
the real God - on this planet, based on our science, with no need to invoke
anything supernatural. It's right there, according to our laws of nature,
discovered by science.
They can see it coming. If they can't, then they're a lot dumber than I
thought - and I worry for them.
RENSE: How do you think they define God? If you are correct, and they have
determined that there is a God or a universal consciousness, how do you
think they define it? As an enemy, as something to be ignored, as an
adversary? They are satanic. How do you think they do it?
FULFORD: What happened, I believe, years ago is they had a god-king who had
all this power. And then he didn't want to die. So he tried to preserve his
knowledge through generation after generation of heavy family tradition. The
idea he had was to really become God.
So they want to become God. They want to move all human minds into one
single mind, put them all in, and then create God out of nothing. Their
belief was that they've done all this killing and stuff, and God hasn't
shown up, so they can do whatever the hell they want!
The only thing that would stop them would be the actual appearance of a real
God - and I'm saying that has happened!
These people better take a look at the event horizon. If they are half as
smart as I think they are, they will see something that they do not
comprehend - and it is bigger than their ability to really, truly grasp.
I'm trying to say, "Look, you know, the tsunami is coming. You'd better do
something. There is no time for us fighting."
Their whole thinking is just so backwards.
And the other thing is they're scared. They're very scared, because they see
their end is coming. They don't know what to do about it. The rise of China,
the rise of India, all these people out of their control. They don't like
the idea of losing control. They are scared.
And they are racist. They don't like the idea of other races controlling the
planet. They think they are the chosen, special super-elite, and it is their
destiny to rule the whole world as a giant farm. And that's not going to
happen. It's already too late. There is nothing they can do about it.
They can try to initiate World War III in Iran, or whatever. They need fear.
They need war. That's the only thing they have working for them. Right now
we're headed into an era where we don't need war - we need peace.
The whole planet wants peace. And the only reason we have war is because of
them. So the whole planet is about to say, "Okay, enough already. It's
Theoretically, all these people have to do is say, "Okay, stop." And it's
going to happen. There's no way these people are going to succeed.
They may have somehow brainwashed the American people and fooled them. But
they know. The American people are angry. They don't know what they're angry
at, but they know there is something wrong.
I would suggest to the American people that the best way to fight these
people is not through armed militias and stuff. That plays right into their
hands. They are violence specialists. A strike, a general strike, passive
resistance - learn from Gandhi.
You can beat them just by disobeying them. That's all you have to do. Then
But if you fight them, you play into their hands and give them an excuse to
whoop your ass. It would be like a peasant rebellion with pitchforks against
mercenaries armed with steel.
RENSE: They'd love to take Blackwater and other hired mercenaries, and
what's left of the American military, which is certainly appalling a lot of
people from around the world - and turn them loose on the American public.
You are quite right.
FULFORD: I didn't want the Chinese to attack, because I didn't want to give
these people an excuse to crack down and have their martial law.
RENSE: Two of the top Chinese military generals, in the last three years,
have said quite clearly, and I quote again, that "the Chinese military is
planning to fight, and to win, a thermonuclear war with the United States."
They are not playing games. They are doing their underground homework. They
are building facilities. So are the Russians. Of course we have nothing in
the United States here at all to take care of the populace.
Meanwhile, the evil elite are building their underground hideaways,
expecting that if they do trigger World War III, they'll be able to climb
out in six months and set up the game all over again.
That's of course how they think. Hold on, I'll be right back with Benjamin
Fulford, when we come back, live from Tokyo. This is Part Two of our
exclusive conversation for you tonight, and we shall continue right after
RENSE: Okay, let's get right back to Benjamin Fulford.
Okay, Ben, we've got the satanic elite preparing to survive Armageddon, or
whatever they want to call it. They have millions of Christian
Fundamentalist Zionist kooks that are pushing for it, who want it to happen.
They think they're going to crawl out of the shadows after the nuclear
residue has diminished enough, and set up the game all over again.
As you said, if it is true that they hit Japan with a couple of earthquakes
right at that particular location, as a response to your earlier visit on
the program, then there is no end of what they could do to China.
Now this goes back again to what I was mentioning before the break. Two
senior, and I mean at the top, Chinese military men - officers, generals - said they are preparing to fight, and win, a thermonuclear war with America.
Chinese agents, of course, and business interests have spread all over the
world. They are penetrating South America as we speak. Africa [as well.]
They are working all over the planet to secure more hegemony, power, control
There are over five thousand companies working around the world
- corporations which are actually owned by the People's Liberation Army. They
own both ends of the Panama Canal, the world's deepest ocean port in the
They are trying to gain footholds with American ports. They are setting up
ports in Mexico, in anticipation of the North American Union, so they can
ship in their containers.
It was kind of funny. There was a 60 Minutes news story about how lax port
security is. They were looking at these containers coming in, and there was
no effort at all made by the journalists to point out the fact that US
customs only actually looks at one or two of every 100 containers that come
into the United States.
The story was about some radioactive detection machine which only works 50
percent of the time.
So they're obviously looking in the wrong places again. There is no security
in this country.
Is China preparing to fight a thermonuclear war, Ben Fulford? And beyond
that, what about Taiwan? Go ahead.
FULFORD: The Chinese have never had a tradition of conquering other people.
You go back thousands of years - they concluded years ago that they are the
biggest country, so people could come to them.
I don't think they have any sinister goals. I really don't. I used to think
that, but I honestly believe they want to make the people of Africa rich so
they can become good customers - and everybody benefits.
I don't see them having any sinister plans.
RENSE: Well, they don't need to have any. Excuse me, but vis-à-vis
Sub-Saharan Africa, HIV-AIDS and now XDR-TB is going to take most of the
population out of the equation.
But OK, go ahead.
FULFORD: They're offering to eliminate malaria from Africa, for example.
RENSE: Well, they should try and offer to eliminate AIDS, which is manmade,
and XDR-TB, which appears to be manmade - or potentially so.
FULFORD: These efforts to kill the population by the elite are just not
going to work. They are going against nature.
What's really happening is the flow of nature is moving in a positive
The societies in Asia realized that war is not the way to move forward.
For example, the Japanese, in the 1600s, had more cannons than all of Europe
combined. At some point they said, "Why do we have all these guns aimed at
each other?" And they said, "No, let's not do that." They had 250 years of
peace until Admiral Perry showed up.
The Ming dynasty was like that too: "Why is there all this war? Let's just
enjoy the land and be prosperous."
I don't think these people have any hostile intent. However, when you have
the American elite, the Western elite, with a long-term plan to reduce
China's population to less than half, and then to use a war with Taiwan as a
pretext to invade and divide it into six countries, [you can see that] they
[The Chinese] don't want this to happen. They are saying, "If you do that,
we will crush you. We are not going to let you get away with this."
It's too many. It cannot happen. What the Western elite are doing is they
are destroying the West. They're going to make the West a backwards
[society], and China is going to be the [new] center of civilization if they
keep repressing technology, brainwashing people and trying to keep them all
addicted to oil.
That's going to destroy the West. They are destroying their own backyard. It
is so insanely stupid.
RENSE: People have asked that for years. I raised that question. It's almost
the unanswerable questions - why are they killing the goose that is laying
the golden eggs for them? Why are they destroying the planet's environment,
its biosphere, its ecosystem.
Why are they doing that? Are they that arrogant? Are they that stupid? Are
they drunk with power? Are they drunk with lust? What is it?
FULFORD: They're basically gangsters. And they're not capable of running the
RENSE: Well, we know that much.
FULFORD: They're in way over their head.
And one other point. You have one man, David Rockefeller, acting as if he
were God. And this planet is too big for one mind to control. We learned
that with Hitler, Stalin and Mao.
RENSE: Are you suggesting that David Rockefeller is a bigger big-shot than
the Rothschilds in London? Or are they just on opposite sides of the planet,
and pretty much equals?
FULFORD: Well, my understanding is David Rockefeller has always been the big
kahuna since World War II. However, I do believe there is a split with the
I don't know all the details, but there has certainly been a schism. All
that stuff with the Freedom Fries. Just look at who invaded Iraq and who
You'll see that France and Germany didn't. So there's a split in their
ranks. The Rockefellers are on the way out, and that will be good for
everybody. I think the Rothschilds are a much higher-level people.
RENSE: That's a good point, and certainly the British presence in Iraq was
marginal in the south of the country. Some would suggest there was a deal
made to keep their combat losses as low as they were.
Okay, back in just a minute with Benjamin Fulford. We will begin to take
questions shortly, so if you'd like to call in, there are calls waiting now.
The number here is 800-259-9231.
Again, we are well aware that many of the stations carrying this program do
so at different times, so hopefully you are on the Internet, at least,
listening in, and can call in.
Okay, we'll pause and then continue.
RENSE: And we continue with Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo.
All right, let's take a call or two for now, and give you the number again.
It's 800-259-9231. All right, Dan in New York, thanks for being patient.
You're the first up tonight. Thanks for being patient. What's your question
DAN: Uh, hello Jeff. Hello Ben. Thanks for taking my call.
FULFORD: You're welcome.
D: Well, we know Mao killed an estimated 60 to 70 million people. The
current Chinese government appears to be the model for the New World Order
with their one-child policy and the non-existence of civil rights over
My question is why should we believe, then, that a Chinese secret society is
going to save us when they've allowed such atrocities [to occur] in the
FULFORD: Okay. You've got to remember the people I'm working with are
enemies, or have been long-term enemies of the actual government in China.
It's not the same. This is an anti-establishment group that has very
different values from the people who actually run the Chinese government. So
you've got to make that difference, OK?
FULFORD: These are anti-Government people. And their values are very good
- to protect the weak, fight against injustice. They are not would-be
dictators. That's the important point. And they are concerned that innocent,
weak people are being killed. That is something that makes them angry.
RENSE: I might just real quickly interject here that in Ben's first visit,
Dan, you can hear quite a history lesson about China. In fact, he made this
point very clear.
So go ahead and listen to that again. It's free up online. But that's a very
good question, and I would ask Ben just to interject a question here as
The Falun Gong movement has represented a very great threat to the Chinese
Communist dictators, and they have cracked down on them very hard. Do your
friends have any formal position or informal position about Falun Gong and
FULFORD: I haven't heard any talk about the Falun Gong. Their policy would
be to just let them be if they are not doing anything wrong.
RENSE: Okay, very good. That's good enough. All right, Dan, go ahead.
DAN: That was my main question. I also just wanted to throw it out there
that we put David Rockefeller on such a high pedestal, but here in New York
City, our group We Are Change actually confronted David Rockefeller about
being indicted by a citizens' grand jury for the crimes of 9/11.
So it was just interesting to show people that these people are reachable;
these people are confrontable. That's what we try to do here.
RENSE: That's your group, Dan?
RENSE: Well, very good. Congratulations. Good job.
D: Thank you.
FULFORD: One thing I will also add about the difference between the Chinese
politburo and the US secret government [is this]. [With] the Chinese
politburo, at least you can see them. You know they're there, and you know
In the US, they stay hidden and they keep everyone fooled with this show
that you think of as a democracy - which has been privatized entirely.
RENSE: That's a good point.
FULFORD: So at least these guys aren't lying about what's going on. They're
not trying to fool people. They are there on TV every day, and you can know
they're in front.
The other thing is they're trying to use real-time public opinion on the
Internet and create a new form of democracy. I don't think they want to be a
real total dictatorship, because they know they will be doomed if they don't
listen to the people.
So that's my take on it. I don't think they're as bad as their predecessors
in earlier generations.
FULFORD: Although they leave a lot to be desired, for sure. But it's always
easier to talk about problems over there, while in your own society it is
squashed and hidden - you can't talk about it.
The Chinese can talk about things and see things about the United States
that the Americans aren't allowed to know or talk about, and vice versa.
So a lot of the stuff they talk about, vis-à-vis China, could be said
vis-à-vis the US.
One example is [from] World War Two. The Japanese army had this guy named
Kurama Yoshiyo. He created these gangs of bandits who attack villages, rape
Then, after he attacked, the Japanese army would show up and say, "Hey, we
can protect you from those bandits, so why don't you come under our
That's what the US is doing in Afghanistan and Iraq. Al-Quaeda, as far as I
am concerned, is a Rockefeller [creation]. The US government sponsored
bandits and terrorists who then give them the excuse to send in their
RENSE: It's wearing a little thin too, that scam. It's quite a joke.
Al-Quaeda is nothing less than a CIA prop, put up by the CIA people as a
Ok. Dan, thank you and keep up the good work. Thank you very much for
DAN: Thank you, Jeff. Take care. Good night, Benjamin.
RENSE: Okay. In Arizona, someone called Pravda is on the line. We know that,
of course, means 'Truth' in Russian. Are you there?
PRAVDA: Yes, hi, Jeff. Hello, Benjamin.
I know that you mentioned a Plan B. How long will they wait before striking
the elite, if Rockefeller decides to ignore you and doesn't want to meet
with you? How long before they will strike?
Then I have one other question if you don't mind.
RENSE: OK. Not a problem. Go ahead. So how long, Ben?
FULFORD: OK. There's a couple things I have to mention. One is that I've got
a Plan B, which was my idea. I'll try that first. But if it comes to
something actually violent, they are the professionals. They've been doing
this for 500 years. I won't know what they are going to do.
They did tell me to say that it would be unpredictable, and it would be far
worse than expected.
So I wouldn't call that Plan B. I'm trying to minimize death here. There is
a real explanation. Ultimately they are outnumbered 600 to 1. The 600 know
who the 1 is, and the 1 does not know who the 600 are.
So incidentally, they should know, if they are at least half smart, that
we've got 'em. Their destiny is in their hands.
I wish they would just wake up to the fact that I am trying to save their
lives. I am the moderate. I am the peaceful guy. I want this to be done
without bloodshed. But when it comes to violence...
PRAVDA: That's a very good definite goal we all would like to see. The other
thing is are we the human shields in a war between them and possibly the
real God? Are these elite and the Rockefellers even human, one would even
wonder? You know what I mean?
FULFORD: Well, they think of themselves as being super-human
- that they
can travel into other dimensions. To me this indicates they have vivid
Honestly, the Chinese know the difference between the gangsters who are
oppressing the American people and the American people. They're not going to
go after innocent Americans. There's no point. There's a pyramid and there's
all these slaves building the pyramid, and there's an eye on top. You target
the eye, don't worry about the pyramid.
But I don't know what they're going to do. They are in charge of tactics.
It's 1.8 million professional gangsters and 100,000 professional assassins.
That's something to think about. That's real. And they should have been able
to confirm it by now.
RENSE: All right. Hold on, we'll be right back in just a couple minutes as
we continue the conversation Part Two with Benjamin Fulford.
RENSE: Ben is a professional journalist. I'm sure you probably have an
interest in the explosion of nanotechnology, genetic engineering and
manipulation. We talked briefly about that before. I've been following it
from the beginning, and realizing as many of you listening out there do -
that it not only represents the keys to the kingdom, but it could open
Pandora's Box, and probably will, before it opens the door to salvation for
Unfortunately everything is perceived in terms of military defense, which is
really offense, control and subjugation. Then it trickles down to the
consuming public and the medical companies, which of course will get filthy
rich on whatever they do decide to come up with.
But in the hands of evil, in the hands of the satanic societies on the
planet - these evil Zionist Satanists, whatever you want to label them, it
doesn't matter - the controllers. And you point out that in 20 years
everything is going to be different.
I would point out that if we make it to 20 years, in the largely intact
condition we are in now, we may look back in 20 years and say, "Well, gee,
it only took 10."
I think they're way ahead of us. I think these changes could, in fact, be
being implemented right now. I have evidence to suggest that it IS being
implemented right now, in fact. So I think your points are very important,
and we might want to talk just a little more about that.
FULFORD: What's happening is if the human race were able to be in charge of
itself, instead of being controlled in secret by these gangsters, the first
thing is everybody would say, "Well, I don't want to die. Maybe there's a
heaven, but if I could have eternal life on this Earth, maybe I would choose
to live longer if I could be healthy?"
So instead of investing all these hundreds of billions of dollars in new
ways to kill people, they would have a crash program to find out how to stop
mortality. Then, of course, people would want to end poverty. They would
want to end ignorance. They would want to end environmental destruction.
I believe all of this can be accomplished in three or four years. All the
human race would have to do is redirect its energy in a way that the people
want - not in the way that some self-appointed shepherds want.
So yes. The potential is so big that it is mind-boggling. Only it would be
literally the end of time; the beginning of time.
Imagine if you could have immortality
- if you could become super-smart,
super strong. You could have your own private airplane. This is all
available if these paranoid warmongers were not in charge.
RENSE: Well, these paranoid war-mongers want people to get sick and die.
That's what's going on now. They want them to suffer and die, and they want
to get rich in the process. Otherwise we would have full access to all sorts
of alternative health commodities, herbal supplements, which are now under
attack in this country.
I don't know what it's like there, but as you know it's big-time war on
alternative health in America. Go ahead.
FULFORD: Yes. They are trying to make people stupid. They ban all sorts of
things, like all these cannabinoids, for example.
RENSE: One of the greatest plants on the surface of the Earth is the
cannabis plant. Hemp! [Laughs]
FULFORD: That's an interesting story. Years ago I talked to people who
picked magic mushrooms in Canada. And they said the cows would guard the
FULFORD: What happened was the mushrooms needed to get inside the cow poop.
So they'd give the cows ephedra. They would offer them brain candy. There
was a co-evolution between the mushroom and the cow. They needed each other.
The same thing is happening with the hemp plant and the human being. There
are 20,000-year-old hemp plants in archeological digs in Japan. So people
have been selecting stuff that makes them feel better, smarter and more
successful, for that many years.
And that's why they have to ban the plant. People are hard to control and
herd like sheep when they use that.
RENSE: That [control is] something they install. Fluoride, aspartame, mass
mind manipulation and control through the television, and all the rest of
it. Exactly. Go ahead.
FULFORD: In any case, if these people stand aside, then it's going to really
be like the Golden Age. Everyone will be rich. Everyone will be happy. It
will be just amazing.
RENSE: When you say rich, your meaning is that people will have what they
need. That's riches for many people.
FULFORD: There won't be people who are suffering because their land has been
taken by someone they can't see.
RENSE: There you go.
FULFORD: Everyone will have enough.
Like I say, right away it would be possible to do 100,000 dollars for each
man and woman in the United States.
The other thing is if you had real live, real-time democracy with the people
in charge of making the money, through some communication on the Internet - it would be like humanity's collective IQ just got a hundred times higher.
It would be amazing.
The whole system they have is not working. It has ceased to function. These
are people who spend all their years making their money on war. They need
The world does not need war. The era of war is over.
RENSE: That's their game. It's the only game they know. They know it very
FULFORD: You've got to find them something new to do. All these generals in
the Pentagon, as soon as they retire, they say where the bad things are. But
when they are there, that's where they're getting their salary [from].
So these people have to have something else to do. You've got to protect the
Pentagon. You've got to give them a new mission. And I would argue that new
mission is to save the planet and explore the Universe instead of figuring
out ways to kill Iraqis and steal oil.
They should do it. They can modernize Africa in five years. There are so
many things they could do.
So they don't have to worry about losing their lucrative racket. They can do
it and be good for the planet at the same time. That's what I'm trying to
tell these people - there is no need to be scared of peace!
RENSE: There's a good line to take another call on. There is no reason to be
scared of peace.
Now here's somebody. John is in Canada. Are you there, John?
JOHN: I'm here. Hey Jeff. Hey Ben.
FULFORD: Hi there.
JOHN: Two questions. The first one is, when it comes to the depopulation
thing, one thing I've noticed with all the research I've done - that idea,
as far as I know, isn't just a Rockefeller thing. It's many families that
seem to have that same idea.
Number one, I wanted to get your comments on that. The second thing is the
recent import issues that we've been having in North America, if there is
RENSE: Okay, that is the tainted Chinese food and commodities issue. All
right, first up, Ben, I already know the answer.
Certainly Ben does not think the Rockefellers are the only evil on the
planet. He just concentrates on them because he is an ex-Canadian, and
that's the nearest issue in terms of dealing with the Chinese secret
society, because the Rockefellers are the ones who are probing and pushing
FULFORD: The Rockefellers really are the top of the pyramid. They are the
eye. Below them are lots of people who want to be the eye. Right now they
are the eye. So you have to concentrate on them, because that could change
As far as the depopulation is concerned, these people do not know how to
deal with other cultures. They think there is a problem of third-world
farmers burning down forests so they can feed their families while
destroying all the nature on the planet.
So they think "We've got to purge these people." But that's not the answer.
The answer is to make these people prosperous, so they don't have to slash
In other words, poverty is the real environmental problem.
So these people think all these poor people are the environmental problem,
so they are getting rid of the poor people. But that's not the answer. The
answer is you make them rich and they won't be an environmental problem. So
they've got it all ass-backwards.
And they just don't know what they are doing. They are run at the very top
by some incompetents.
There are so many options. It would be so easy to stop all these problems.
So yeah. They think the only solution is to purge the world of these
devouring human ants. And they are dead wrong. But all sorts of people have
been saying this.
They also think that it is the 'inferior races' that should go. And of
course that is nonsense. That is pure nonsense.
The distances are cultural, not racial. That is something that is directly,
scientifically provable now.
RENSE: That point about them wanting the 'inferior races; to go is
adequately and certainly very clearly pointed out when one studies the
origins of HIV, AIDS and what it has done to sub-Saharan Africa and what it
is doing down there. 75 percent of the people of reproductive age in many of
the countries in sub-Saharan Africa have AIDS; they are going to die.
And when they contract this new form of tuberculosis, called XDR-TBSA1, they
are literally dead within eight to fourteen days. So apparently AIDS isn't
working fast enough.
We know the AIDS medicines are largely a joke and a scam as well. So yeah.
The disrespect of the so-called "inferior peoples" of the planet is quite
blatant, when you look at the Satanists and the evil elite. No doubt about
We just have about a minute before the break. We will come back and ask you
the second part of John's question, but go ahead, Ben.
FULFORD: I have seen a family my parents have known for years. They started
out as peasants in Mexico. Then they lived in a slum. Now they're all
doctors and dentists - in two or three generations!
That can be done with anybody on earth. Anybody on the planet can be turned
into a doctor, or a dentist, or whatever. It's a matter of providing them
the tools they need.
RENSE: It's also discipline, drive. It's a cultural thing as well. I know
that when the Vietnamese were being expelled or escaping from Vietnam, they
came over here by the hundreds of thousands.
95 percent of them were completely off all forms of assistance and welfare
within 12 months. Many of them went on to become highly paid and respected
professionals, as you point out. They were Asian in origin. They had a
In fact, the University of California had to limit the number of Asian
students [who were] accepted, because they were actually taking over the
dominant role in the percentages of students on campus. They are that
competent. They have parties where they study together! [Laughs] That's what
So it's a matter of discipline, cultural ethics and values.
Okay, very good. Stand by, Ben, and John in Canada. We'll come back and find
out what Ben has to say about the flood, and this is what we know about so
far, of tainted Chinese human food, pet food, kids' toys, clothing, even
flip-flops or rubber sandals.
I hope you've seen the story on
Rense.com about that. Someone went into a
Wal-Mart to buy herself some rubber thongs for her feet. Take a look and see
what happened to her. It's unreal.
Be right back in just a few minutes.
RENSE: Okay. And we're back. Our second exclusive conversation with
journalist Benjamin Fulford from Japan tonight. It will be in the archives,
of course. I'm also going to make it available free for everyone to listen
to at Rense.com. We will have it up as soon after the program as we can.
So what about this deluge - and this is what we know about so far, Ben
- of tainted Chinese products? Now we're talking about pet food, human food,
kids' toys, even sandals, as I said. Lots of things, and the Chinese are not
happy about it.
FULFORD: I talked to a Chinese government official about this
- about the
pet food. He said it was inspected when it left China. They always inspect
stuff they export to the US.
RENSE: Well, they check it for protein content, but the melamine apparently
has an ability to jack up the protein readings. So maybe they did inspect
it, but that's as far as they went.
FULFORD: Anyway, their version
- I don't know if they're right - is that
something happened in Panama. Something was put into it in Panama.
RENSE: It could have been cut, like they do with...
FULFORD: They say sabotage. They think there was someone out there to smear
the Chinese by sabotaging their product.
RENSE: Or make a buck by simply stepping on it, as they say, and cutting it
with something else. That's possible.
FULFORD: I think there may be something to that. At the same time, China has
a long history of making rip-off copies. They've been doing that since the
times of the emperors, when people would make official ceramics.
RENSE: They were making fake Jordache jeans and Levi's back then, were they?
FULFORD: So there is a problem with uncontrolled, Wild West capitalism in
China. And they are aware of it. They would execute people for letting this
So they are cracking down. They do have problems. I do believe they also can
make the case that there is some deliberate sabotage going on.
Some of the stuff looks suspicious. It wasn't the Chinese but somebody out
to smear the Chinese.
I have heard of a plan to create a financial crisis in China. The Chinese
are aware of it and they are not going to let it happen.
RENSE: Are they backing themselves with their dollar holdings and American
assets against such a crisis - a contrived manipulation to try to take them
FULFORD: What happened with the dollar holdings is that last year they
called Paulsen from the Treasury Department, and Bernanke from the Fed, over
to China. "We don't want to talk with your puppets. We want to talk with
your real government."
And [the Chinese] said to them, "Those dollars you're giving us are worse
than opium. Opium at least gave us pleasure." They forced them to buy opium
in the opium wars.
They are saying, "We try to buy companies and you can't buy companies. The
only thing you will let us do is finance your military. Well, we're not
going to do that anymore. Instead, we're going to take this money and we're
going to make the poor people of the world better off. We're going to sell
The Americans apparently left the meeting blue in the face and [with] tears
in their eyes. Then OPEC called up and told the Chinese that if you don't
keep those dollars, we're not going to sell you oil.
So there was some big fight between the secret US government and the Chinese
late last year. And the Chinese have been moving heavily into Africa.
They're trying to develop all the world. They're making all the poor people
But, they have to keep some of those dollars. However, it's only a matter of
time. I think the era of oil is coming to an end. And that's why they're
jacking up the prices. They're trying to squeeze as much as they can out
before the door shuts, and the whole oil thing comes to an end.
The 20th century will be known as the hellish century of that black poison
known as oil. It will be an electric age coming up. It will be much nicer,
cleaner, everything better.
RENSE: If Tesla had been allowed to do what he wanted to do, with your great
grandfather, we'd be there now.
FULFORD: The Chinese have started. They're working on it. And the Japanese
have the technology that is being suppressed by the Americans. I've had
senior Japanese government officials tell me [about] all this technology
they have that's being suppressed.
RENSE: There's a lot.
FULFORD: The [Rockefeller Illuminati] said, "We'll bomb you and we'll kill
you if you start providing people with free energy." So that's where these
people are coming from. It's ridiculous. It's no way to run a planet.
RENSE: No arguments here. All right. Let's go to Idaho, and say hi to Paul.
Hello Paul, welcome... You there, Paul?
PAUL: Yes. Mr. Rense!
RENSE: Yes, sir.
PAUL: You're the best. I've been listening to you for many years.
RENSE: Well, thank you sir. Very much. I appreciate that. I try! I tell you
PAUL: Well, there are not enough out there trying. That's the problem!
I have a comment to make to Mr. Fulford.
PAUL: Okay. I think that if you don't get on the Rothschilds - they own all
the banks in Europe and probably most of the Federal Reserve. They are
connected with the Royals in England, and the Netherlands and so on.
The British control the Freemasons, especially above the 33rd degree.
There's the Warburgs, the Morgans, Kissingers and the whole bunch. But the
Rothschilds seem to hold most of the money in the world.
They control the gold. The gold market opens with the Rothschilds in London
setting the price. And that's something that's done a little broader, and I
think it's the real [problem.]
The only other thing I want to say is I've heard so many nice things said
about China, but they haven't been so nice to their workers. I don't know if
they admitted to huge numbers of demonstrations where they sent in troops to
shoot them down.
RENSE: I would suggest, Paul, that Benjamin is not here to defend the
Communist Chinese regime, its oppression of humans and its terrible human
rights record. We have one that's just about as bad. We're talking about a
Chinese secret society here, which is antithetical to that.
FULFORD: About the Rothschilds. I'm aware they're in control of Europe. I'm
aware they have huge control. They are planning to expand the EU. They want
a world government based in the EU, with them in secret control.
PAUL: They're in control of the United Nations pretty much, too. And they
have been very much pro-eugenics.
RENSE: ...Which was an American creation, by the way. We exported it to
Germany. You sound very well informed, Paul.
FULFORD: I'm also involved with the Japanese Freemasons. They have told me
they don't want to cut their relations with the Rothschilds. They are more
interested in doing the Rockefellers.
So if I can combine the Japanese with the Chinese, and then get all the
Russians, I think that we can start with the Rockefellers - get them to
stop their crazy warmongering. Then I believe the Rothschilds can be
negotiated with to a regime change that will allow them not to operate in
secret, but in the open. Something like that.
In any case, my understanding is we have to start with the people who want
to carry out this radical genocide. That's the highest priority. So we'll
deal with the Rothschilds later. That's where I'm coming from.
I also have the wishes of the Japanese Freemasons as well as the Chinese
secret society to deal with, which is why I take that attitude.
Also I think despite the eugenics, and all that nasty racist stuff, the
Rothschilds are a slightly more intelligent and sophisticated bunch. And I
believe they can be talked with. So we'll see. Things will change.
PAUL: I think that they'll pull the wool over your eyes and say yes. One of
the big things they're doing now is pushing 'Gaia' as a new world religion.
Basically what they do is take control of all the natural resources under
the auspices of protecting society. But in the meantime, a few big
corporations, they control the water, the seeds, production, everything.
Every last puddle in the world! [Laughs]
FULFORD: They're talking about building 500 nuclear power plants in China,
and I don't know if they're later going to hit 'em with the earthquake
machine or something.
These people have to realize that their era of controlling the world is
coming to an end. They're going to have to share it with the people of the
It will have to be a smooth transition - otherwise it's going to be a
violent one. And I don't want that, because they are going to be the losers.
PAUL: I don't want to hog all your time, but I have studied these issues a
long time and this is a deep well to fish in. I don't think it's just one
RENSE: That's an excellent description. It is a deep, dark well. And you're
right, and I think all of us know that, basically.
FULFORD: Sure. And you've got to use a process like Judo. You've got to use
their strength against them.
I appreciate email content, if you have more details or information I should
know. My information comes straight from very senior people in the Japanese
government, and then these Chinese folks. I have to represent their
interests. It's not just my own opinion.
What they're saying is right now we just want the Rockefellers to stop their
insanity. They say that these are the people who are the source of the
RENSE: Very good. And Paul, keep up your research. I very much appreciate
Okay. We're going to pause and come right back with Benjamin Fulford, who
again made the point in his first visit - and it's rather obvious - that
SARS is the odds-on candidate to have been the latest, most recent
biological warfare effort which is ethno-specific, i.e. Asian. No doubt.
It didn't work, for a variety of reasons. The earthquake is another big
issue. There is a lot on the table here. And it is a very deep well.
Be right back in just a couple minutes.
FULFORD: Okay, we're back with Benjamin Fulford, and talking about a lot of
Do you see the Chinese playing the dollar to the extent that it will put
pressure on the Rothschilds? Forget about the secret society for a minute.
There's a lot of potential leverage over there. What do you think the
Communist Chinese are up to?
FULFORD: The primary answer I mentioned last time is a process of deciding
what humanity will do in the future. About 65 percent of the world's excess
money is in Asia, which means that the Asians now actually have the power to
decide what will happen in the future of this planet.
They haven't been exercising that power yet, but it is just a matter of
That scares a lot of the people in the West who have been used to
controlling things for years. They are not sure what to do about this
The Chinese do not want the American people to become poor, because they
would lose their best customers. They don't want to cause turmoil.
At the same time, they don't like being made fools of and being ripped off.
They don't want to have all these hardworking Chinese supporting the US
military machine so they can be used against China!
RENSE: Got it.
FULFORD: So something is happening. There's been a fundamental change. The
rule of the West has come to an end. It's going to be a rule of the people
of the planet, not just one ethnic group. That's what's happened.
If you look at the UN's prominent council members, four out of five are
Europeans. The Europeans are only 17 percent of the world's population. It's
a party - a global party.
The rest of the planet said, "Okay, you guys under this moronic Bush regime
have totally messed things up. You've disqualified yourselves. You've ruined
the planet, and we've got to change the way this planet is run." That's what
the entire planet is coming to realize.
Everyone is saying, "We don't want you creating artificial wars anymore. We
don't want your killing of genocide. This is not the way we want this planet
They've got to realize that their jig is up. It's over. It's finished. They
just have to manage a smooth transition.
It's game over. They just haven't realized it yet, or they don't want to.
RENSE: Well, we'll see. You've given them 48 hours to meet with you at the
Fulford estate in Canada.
FULFORD: Or at least to contact me [to set up the meeting].
RENSE: We'll find out if there's a contact made in 48 hours.
800-259-9231, 800-259-9231 is our number here. In Texas, I think Mike is on
the line. Are you there, Mike, holding?
MIKE: Yes. Good evening, Jeff. Thank you for taking my call, sir.
RENSE: You're welcome. Thanks for calling.
MIKE: Before we get started, is it correct that you used to work for the
RENSE: Well, I did, yes. Who are you talking to? Both of us?
MIKE: Yeah, you. Jeff, yeah.
RENSE: Yeah, I was under contract to the Premiere Radio Networks for five
MIKE: So you realize the game of how the corporate media and all that works.
RENSE: Well, yeah.
MIKE: Getting to all those things, Ben, can you hear me, sir?
MIKE: You talk about great things happening. I want to talk to you about
what's happening to the south of the United States right now.
A few years ago I visited Brazil and Argentina, and I'll tell you what.
There's something quietly happening and it's a very good change. The
Brazilian people, the people from Argentina and Chile, are really turning
progressive compared to what they were in the past - dictatorships.
Did you know about that?
FULFORD: Yeah. I know. They're on to the full Yankee game, and have been for
a long time. They were the original victims of these people.
RENSE: Ben, here's a little aside that will help make the point. I talked to
a Brazilian once, and he laughed. He said one of the biggest jokes among
Brazilians in the know is that they don't own their own country.
RENSE: It's owned by the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, and the globalist
MIKE: Right. And they're getting fed up down there. And I talked to a couple
Brazilians. They don't want to see their environment destroyed. It's these
trans-national global corporations that are doing most of the deforestation
in the Amazon - because that's where the oil's at.
FULFORD: Yeah, look. It's not just the South Americans. If you really come
down to it, we reach a situation where you just need a slight spark.
You will find that Africans, South Americans, the Muslims, the people in
India, China, Japan and Russia - everywhere - are saying "Hey, you guys,
enough is enough. We're tired of what you're doing to this planet."
And it's just a matter of everyone saying, "Okay, talk." It's coming
MIKE: Do you think, in your opinion, sir, that the US military will do the
stupidest thing and attack Iran, in your opinion? Do you think that's going
FULFORD: I hope they learned from the German military. One by one they let
Hitler fire generals until suddenly they all had to do exactly what Hitler
FULFORD: Hitler was wildly popular, in his time, before the war started. By
contrast, the Bush regime is wildly unpopular. When they start firing
generals one by one, until they get a bunch of yes-men, then they will go
down in the history books as great idiots and villains.
I believe they are smart enough and honorable enough to know that their
first loyalty is to the American people and to the Constitution.
RENSE: Let's hope so. You know, you made a very good point. A lot of people
continue to try to equate the current status and configuration of the United
States geopolitically with Germany in the 1930s, and there really is no
comparison at all to be made that I can see.
It's absurd! It's the opposite, in many ways.
There are a few overt parallels, but Germany under the Treaty of Versailles
was a nation in pillory, being punished continually. It was a whole
MIKE: Jeff, do you think they're going to attack Iran, in your opinion?
RENSE: Do I think they will be ordered to attack Iran by the globalists, by
the 17 percent of the planet, the Europeans, where these power centers - the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds
- are located? Do I think that's going
to happen? It looks like 50-50 at this point. We will see.
Stand by. You're welcome to another question, Mike, if you like after the
break. We have to pause for just a few minutes and we will be back with
RENSE: Okay, right back with all of you. Mike in Texas. One more question,
Mike, if you have one.
MIKE: Sure. And thanks for letting me hold over the break. I appreciate
MIKE: The other question is, in this new era of peace, do you think we're
going to continue to see more improvements in curing diseases, medicine and
And finally, the Japanese. It seems like there's no poverty over there,
because the gap between the workers and the corporate leaders is not as big.
So go ahead and answer those two questions.
FULFORD: Sure. I think that most disease can be eliminated. The
international medicine companies need disease in order to make a profit!
FULFORD: The traditional Asian system was that if the patient was sick, then
the doctors stopped getting money! So they had an incentive to make sure
that nobody ever got sick.
RENSE: That's fascinating! I've never heard that before.
FULFORD: So you change the way the financial system is rigged, and give the
incentive to the corporations to eliminate disease, and it will be gone in
RENSE: We have the ability to cure most disease - to prevent most disease
- right now.
FULFORD: So it's just a poor system that gives incentive to the companies to
create disease. That's obviously got to change.
Now the Japanese gap between the lowest employee and the chairman, in
income, is something like 20 times per year - but in the US it's about four
HUNDRED times. But the Americans have been trying to force the Japanese
government to put in policies that will create huge income gaps - and they
Young people are finding it hard to get lifetime employment. They're forced
into low-pay, dead-end jobs. They're very unhappy. There is a huge
dis-affected youth movement here, because they have been offered just junk
jobs. That's because of the Americans twisting the Japanese arm.
The Japanese don't like it. They had a system that worked. They had a system
where everybody was middle class. The Americans are trying to destroy it.
That's not going to be allowed to continue.
MIKE: I'm very optimistic about that. Gentlemen, you have a good night, and
thank you for taking my call.
RENSE: Thanks, Mike. Thanks very much.
Okay. Still time for some of you to get in here on the phones, if you would
like to talk to Benjamin Fulford. 800-259-0931.
Taiwan... Taiwan. [As for] those 17 percent of the Europeans who are
controlling much of what goes on in the world, what are they going to do
about stopping China from turning Taiwan into Hong Kong II if they wanted
FULFORD: Well, they can't. I think ultimately their big plan was to get the
Japanese military, the US military and the NATO military all in tune, and
then pick a fight over Taiwan - force a referendum in Taiwan, pick a fight
with China, and crush China.
That's not going to happen.
The Taiwanese do not want to be under the communist rule. They really do not
want that. I do believe there can be a compromise where they can live as
they've always lived and just change flags.
This is not something - I don't think the Chinese are going to be so stupid
as to let themselves be provoked into a war. And if they are, it will be on
their terms. They can already sink the US aircraft carriers. Those things
are giant white elephants, and the American military doesn't realize it yet!
RENSE: Oh yeah. They are floating iron graveyards. And by the way, they're
full of nuclear bombs and radiation too. Yeah, they're amazing. They're
obsolete. You're right. They can be taken out with hypersonic cruise
missiles. People who study military armaments know it.
- and the Americans still relied on their satellites, and
those could be punched out by the Chinese military with their missiles.
RENSE: Blinded. They've already apparently done so. The Chinese have
developed weapons systems to do that. So yes.
FULFORD: The Russians have these systems. So the US military is really a
paper tiger. They don't realize it.
The other thing is look what happened with a little country like Iraq. How
the hell are they going to invade China, or India or something? They cannot!
RENSE: Well, there's no chance. It's not going to happen. And they're not
going to run an aircraft carrier, a super-carrier group in between Taiwan,
and run them down the straight to Taiwan or wherever, and stop China from
literally devouring Taiwan in days. It just won't happen.
FULFORD: Absolutely. So their whole scheme is falling apart.
They're afraid. These Europeans are afraid. They think [to themselves], "We
are confident. We know how to manage an economy. If we have all these
strange colored peoples running the planet, it's all going to go to ruin."
It's just like the white people in South Africa thinking, "If we let Mandela
be in charge, everything's going to go to hell."
It's wrong-headed thinking. That's not how it works.
They have their little gatherings, but look at Bilderberg. They consider
themselves a secret government, but they won't even let any Japanese in
there, or anybody who is not European. They're shooting themselves in the
RENSE: It's a private European club. You're right. That's another excellent
So the Chinese. What about the Indians? 1.1 billion people!
FULFORD: In the Indian newspapers, they won't refer to them as the US
government - they call them the ruling families. They know the truth. They
were controlled by the Rothschilds for 300 years, and Gandhi threw them out.
They know what the story is.
And they're not going to let themselves be under control again, ever. And
they're starting to develop.
They've got 83 percent of the planet now saying "Enough is enough!" The
people inside Europe and inside North America are sick and tired of this
European Union / EU propaganda.
The Americans are appalled by their government. It's just an endgame
situation. We're really like Russia before the collapse of the Iron Curtain.
We're on the verge of something really big. It's going to be a total
collapse of the 300-year-old political order, and the beginning of a new
And these people have a choice between a peaceful transition that will
benefit them, and a chaotic transition that will leave them all dead. Or
something in between.
And I'm trying to say to them, "Go for the peaceful route. Let's try to make
everybody as happy as possible." We have to do that by realizing that they
are not God. They are not the superior people who are destined to rule
everybody as slaves. That's not going to happen.
RENSE: [Laughs] Most Americans do literally, those who care about the world,
have a pretty serious case of tunnel vision. They see America and Europe,
and everything else is third-world in their mind, if they think about it at
all. The point of the issue is that this is the minority, when you look at
the planet in this totality.
FULFORD: Sure. There's a joke in Asia. What do you call somebody who speaks
three languages? Trilingual. What do you call somebody who speaks two
languages? Bilingual. What do you call somebody who speaks one language?
FULFORD: Sticking only to English, and only to their own culture, they're
getting more and more left behind. The Japanese, the Chinese, they know all
about European culture and philosophy and everything.
But the reverse is not true. Europeans and Americans are ignorant of the
world, and their ignorance will destroy them.
RENSE: Your point is well taken. Okay, hold on. Our final segment ready
tonight with Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo. We'll do that in just a
RENSE: All right, let's go up to Montana and say hello to Mike.
Hello, Mike, welcome to the program!
MIKE: Well, hello. Thank you for taking my call.
RENSE: My pleasure.
MIKE: Just a couple things real quick. I want to thank Benjamin for doing
this service for what he is doing for our country. We applaud you up here in
Montana. Thank you so much.
FULFORD: Well, thank you.
MIKE: I was wondering if there's any truth to what you had heard or know
about... I've heard for years now there is a million-man Chinese army down
in the Mexican border waiting to come across. Do you know anything about
RENSE: No. False. It's not true.
FULFORD: I have heard nothing like that and I wouldn't believe it. You can't
hide a million-man army.
RENSE: No. It's just not true. It's unfortunately, excuse me, Ben.
Mike, having dealt with the Internet for a long, long time - I'm sure you
have too - these kinds of stories pop up from time to time. They're so
fantastic, for some reason intelligent people will grab them. They will say,
"It's too much of a lie. There has to be some truth to it."
In this case, there is none.
MIKE: Okay. Wonderful. I am glad to hear that.
FULFORD: You know, some people are also skeptical about whether or not there
really is this Chinese secret society. I have given out a phone number to
the US intelligence people. They can confirm it. It's not a false story.
These people are real and they are very, very serious. They are mostly
So you have these Chinese in every research laboratory in the US. You have
them controlling Silicon Valley. It's not just gangsters and assassins. They
are all very intelligent people.
To get into this society, you [either] have to be very intelligent or you
have to be a gangster. So if these people do decide to move, there will be
no stopping them. This is not some crazy Internet thing. I can provide a
phone number or a website. You can check it in the history books.
The other thing some people are skeptical about is [the idea of a] Ninja.
Ninjutsu is the hardest of all the martial arts. They've been training US
Special Forces since the end of World War II. Anybody knows they are real.
About 100,000 US Special Forces have received that training - special
martial arts training. So there is a force - I know it sounds funny. Ninjas
- Teenage Mutant [Ninja] Turtles or something, but no. These are real
So anything I've said can be independently verified. And I want to make that
clear. I'm not some nutcase.
I'm a guy who asked the wrong questions. I asked, "Why doesn't Japan use
their money to save the planet?" I was told the answer is that "It's because
the Rockefellers won't let us, and we'd like you to help us deal with the
That's what I'm trying to do.
MIKE: Well, that's just... we totally believe that what you're doing is
I do have one other thing. I was wondering if you have heard of any other
homeland security buildup in any other cities across the country.
We have heard here in Callasville (ph) Montana, there were 300,000 more
Homeland Security people coming in. A big B-52 bomber flew in at our
airport. Military helicopters have been flying in.
RENSE: And you've never seen a B-52 there before?
RENSE: That's interesting.
FULFORD: These people have hired tons and tons of mercenary troops, tons and
tons of soldiers and bully boys. They think they've got all the bully boys
lined up so they can do whatever they want. The trick to stopping these
people is learning from Mahatma Gandhi.
Do not fight them. That plays into their hands. Just ignore them. Passive
resistance. A general strike is all it would take.
The Americans are being turned into couch potatoes. Fine. Have a couch
potato revolution! Stay at home and watch TV. Don't go to work!
If they come up with a fake terrorist attack again, if they want to declare
martial law, then just declare a general strike. Everybody stay home and
watch TV, and that will be it. That's all it takes to flush these people
They have all the hard power and they have zero soft power. They don't have
the hearts and minds, and therefore they're doomed. That's the thing to
They look so strong, they look so overwhelming, but people don't believe in
them. People won't follow them.
So please don't try to fight them. That'll be like peasants with pitchforks
against steel-bearing mercenaries. That plays into their hands.
That's why I'm trying to get the Chinese to avoid anything that would give
these guys an excuse to scale up into World War III. That's what they want.
Everybody else wants peace.
So it's got to be a peace movement. A real one. A strong one. One that, at
the end of the day, if you have to, you will kill. But first, let's talk.
RENSE: Also keep in mind that Representative Congressman DeFazio is not even
being told [what is going on]. He is supposed to be in oversight over
Homeland Security. They won't tell him what their plans are in case of a
national emergency and martial law potential.
So there are big plans afoot for sure. I can't tell you with any specificity
what is going on. Your observations are very important. If you've never seen
a B-52 there, one would perhaps ask the airport what it was doing there,
just for fun, and see what they say. It's interesting for sure.
FULFORD: There is some secret base near Mount Fuji where they have all these
funky new-generation aircraft that look like UFOs. [This base] has been very
They are trying. They're desperate. This is their last big stunt. I'm trying
to tell them, "Please, don't. It's a mistake. It won't work. Back down
before it's too late."
The thing is, they're scared and they're desperate. So we have to make them
a peaceful alternative.
RENSE: They clearly do feel that the clock is ticking. Mike, thanks very
much for your calls.
MIKE: You bet. And thank you very much for your time, and we bless you.
RENSE: Thank you.
Yeah. Desperation. Desperate men, desperate women, desperate people, who are
satanic in their orientation, can do desperate things.
It will be interesting to see. You are the messenger, so we will find out.
In 48 hours, we'll see if you get a response. You have given a phone number
to an intelligence agency where they can check out and find out about this
secret society. One would think they already have a profile on them, if
FULFORD: They've already checked them out. They sent someone to try to tell
lies about me. So they know I'm telling the truth.
It's not just the Chinese. There's other people now on the move.
What I'm trying to tell them is, "Whatever you've got planned for August,
talk to me first." Maybe there's a better opportunity, something that will
benefit everybody - including them - out there.
So before they do this desperate thing and try to trigger this final war, I
tell them it's not going to work. People aren't going to fall into their
RENSE: One of the saddest things is to watch these Christian Zionists just
follow this lead right into oblivion. They will be the last to figure it
Here's a story
in the New York Times today, Ben:
"Bomb by bomb, Japan sheds military restraints
- Japan is blurring the line
between defensive and offensive military power, in spite of its pacifist
constitution, rattling nerves in Northeast Asia."
True, or untrue?
FULFORD: Well, they've been trying to get the Japanese people into a
military mood, but they still have an article in the constitution that
forbids them from using the military as an offensive instrument. Public
opinion is still 70 percent against this.
They are trying to get the Japanese army to work as a subdivision of the US
army. That's not going to happen. They think it's going to happen, but it's
But yes. The Japanese military is huge. It's vast. It's maybe one of two or
three in the world [of that size].
RENSE: I've heard that, and it's rather a surprise to most Americans. I
didn't know it was that large.
FULFORD: The Germans [had the same thing] before World War II. They had lots
of officers, lots of weapons and very few troops.
Then it's just a matter of dragging a bunch of men in, and giving them basic
training, to build a giant army. Then you've got infantry.
The Japanese don't want to be involved in a war. They are sick of these
racist, elitist people who have been ripping them off for so long.
RENSE: I would be too.
FULFORD: So things are going to change. We're looking at the fall of the
Western Berlin Wall. It's going to be a wonderful time for everybody.
So hang in there. This is just before sunrise. This is my view. It's the
darkest hour before sunrise and everything will be good.
These people, hopefully, they won't carry out their crazy scheme...
RENSE: What is it about August, Ben, that you may know? I don't expect you
to tell me everything...
FULFORD: Well, I don't know anything too special, except that the Congress
is going into recession and people like Cheney have been going way overboard
with their arrogance.
The people in Japan are also talking about something going on in August.
I think [the big event] is going to be whatever this secret project is
they've been working on for so long.
So if you see a space-aliens fleet invading, don't believe it until you see
it with your own eyes. It will probably be computer graphics and then some
US secret military vessels that you are seeing, and not an alien invasion.
RENSE: So you do think, and we talked briefly about this last time
- you do
think there is a potential that the ET trump card might be the one that is
about to be played.
FULFORD: Well, they're up to something big. There's been a lot of activity
in that base near Mount Fuji. There are lots of reports of funky flying
I remember these people got their original inspiration from
War of the
Worlds, in 1938.
They weren't ready. They got caught before they were ready. They were
planning this, I think, for 2012. I don't think they're going to be able to
pull it off. I know they're not.
It would be a horrible mistake for them to try to do this. It's not going to
FULFORD: So we'll see. Hopefully this summer will be the beginning of a new,
happy time for everybody on the planet. That's what we're praying for and
RENSE: My feeling is 2008 is the pivotal year, not
2012. But we'll see.
FULFORD: Hopefully they will not be able to write the scenario anymore. The
world is tired of them. Every war in the past century - big war - has been
caused by them.
RENSE: Well, 17 percent, as you say, of the world's population
Europeans - have done it.
FULFORD: Yeah. And they're scared, but they shouldn't be. The rest of the
world isn't as dumb and incompetent as they think.
RENSE: We don't want to forget about what they're trying to do to Russia
either. Russia is fully aware of the fact that
the Rothschilds cannot be
allowed to be back in control of Russia. That right now is the big issue in
FULFORD: They've lost Russia, they've blown out China, Japan, they've lost
India, they've lost South America, Africa, the Muslim countries. Everybody
on Earth is saying, "We don't want you to do this anymore."
So it's game over. I'm here to offer them a graceful and honorable
transition into something that will benefit them too. I'm their best hope.
RENSE: Ben, thanks very much. Thank you for the conversation again. I will
be standing by to find out what happens, so keep me posted, if you would.
FULFORD: Yeah, I will. Thank you again for letting me appear on the show.
It's been a great honor.
RENSE: Okay. Good night.
Benjamin Fulford, live from Tokyo. We'll take a break and come right back in
21 hours tomorrow night, with an outstanding program for you. In the
meantime, lots to think about. See you tomorrow.