Interviewed by the Sovereign Scribe
This is a
collection of Material from the book
Psycho-Social, Chemical, Biological, and Electronic
Manipulation of Human Consciousness),
First Edition Printing May 1992
SS = Sovereign Scribe (The Sovereign Scribe of McKenna,
SS: Regarding the
experiments, you said the tunnel was large enough to drive a
truck through; where did they drive the truck?
DC: Where did they drive the
truck? Well itís a figure of speech that you can drive a
truck through. There are all sorts of associated phenomena
that pass through whether it be information or people or
PN: But first of all, get the truck underground.
DC: ... Something that wasnít ground level. It was
underground. It was underground. All the time-space stuff
PN: It was at the summit with the Delta T structure.
SS: How far down was it?
PN: 1/4 of a mile, maybe somewhere between a thousand feet
and 1/4 of a mile. It was way underground. This is according
to our recollection. We have no proof of it of course.
SS: Could there be a reason for it being underground?
PN: The reason was essentially they built, see the Montauk
time and space portal was essentially an artifact that came
out of what we call a Delta T antenna. You have a picture of
a big thing made out of wood with wires shaped like this.
Thatís what we call the Delta-T antenna. The portal actually
appears in the center of that. If you pump this thing right.
They had trouble building this above ground because when
they started to test above ground the fields from the
transmitting equipment were so strong that they had to
locate it low enough below ground that there would be a
neutral point between the fields of the equipment and the
building above ground and the fields from the antenna way
below ground because at that neutral point sat the chair
that he [Duncan] sat in.
So I have to point out also that they did not want any of
the raw pulse. See this antenna took the raw pulse from the
pulse modulators of the radar transmitter and essentially
put it into Del Cross F Cross E Cross B Cross G function.
Which means they were essentially generating gravitational
waves that would enfold into space-time waves in itself. And
you could make a time-space portal; only one end of it was
controllable, such, in í83 you could make an extension of it
anywhere in the past, present or future you wished. If I
took this antenna here and added in pulses from a pulse
modulator in a radar transmitter it would probably wipe out
every TV set within about 50 miles of it. But they had to
keep this thing far enough under ground so that the EMR
electromagnetic interference would not be radiated. Also
they wanted to make it big enough, I think it was 250 feet,
this one was 10 foot. I think the one we had at Montauk was
250 feet to 300 feet - something like that. This one, the
actual portal might be that big (a few inches) but if youíve
got one thatís 10 times the size and is like that you could
literally have a portal... I believe the portal size was 10
to 20 feet that they were actually able to create. I could
make a portal maybe 2 inches here cause the antennaís small.
Of course above ground there would have been certain
construction problems. With making the thing below ground
where they have the undergrounders making holes in the floor
and pass the pipe and the wires through the floor and the
thing up and you donít have to worry the windís going to
blow it down and this sort of thing. Thereís a number of
reasons that it was underground.
SS: And also you said it would be harder to detect?
PN: Yeah, whoís going to see it from the air?
SS: Wouldnít theyíd pick it up?
PN: Also the Hertizan leakage would be way down if itís
underground. It wouldnít wipe out TV in Montauk. Montauk is
so far out they have huge power and rotary beams that they
can look at Boston or they can look at Rhode Island or
Connecticut or New York with. And the signal strength at
Montauk is very weak so it lakes nothing to interfere with
the TV in Montauk. They donít want to get the town up in
SS: Did they use that to build the legendary city on
PN: This is the information we have. We have not been able
to back it up. It is only memories of Mr. Cameron and
Mr. Bielek. I was not involved with that part of it myself. It
wasnít that they built the big city. They found an ancient
earlier civilization that was abandoned. They first got to
Mars and realized that yes, there had been a civilization
there at one time and the above ground of it was crumbled
back into dust. But they did detect huge underground
installations which were still making magnetic fields and
this sort of thing that they could detect and they realized
that there was still machinery running underground and of
course they first went all around Mars and they couldnít
figure out how to get down underground without bringing
boring equipment and cutting a tunnel right down in. When
Montauk had the working capability it would be nothing to
target the other end of the vortex from í83 through to
whatever time they wanted to inside Mars itself and this is
what they did. And Duncan himself can talk of stuff he saw
SS: What did you see?
DC: Something that has recently come up -- both Preston and
myself were in a private meeting in Long Island with a man
who was known in the UFO field. He spoke; he was giving some
pictures regarding UFOís. He came up with some photographs
having to do with the moon Phobos. I reacted to that
strongly. When I recall physically, there is a physical
reaction and Iím startled. After spending a little bit of
time with that -- investigating it, it now seems from my own
investigating and outside reading per se. When I say I am
reading, I am basically sensitive to electro-magnetics and
can access information zones whether they be on a local
scale, the Akashic which is in domain systems or out of
domain, higher evolved and such.
Information that I got from the outside information zone is
that there is a system which still is on Mars. It originally
was an electronic crystal type system which was part of the
defense structure for the solar system that has been turned
off. Defense meaning to keep for ones self. In that sense we
all have energy fields about us and there is a defense
posture to keep outside influences away. If you think on a
planetary scale in a solar system, if such defenses were set
down, if that were one of the stations per se, to keep out nasties or to keep the intelligence within the solar system
alive and dynamically moving, if that were to be shut off
there would be all sorts of obtrusions that would not
ordinarily come through.
Whether that was one of the directives involved in the Mars
project or if that was one of their aims as such or by
products, the defense system on Mars is down and there are
all sorts of associated troubles and disturbances because of
that. Itís a linked system that we havenít quite figured out
the other aspects of. I could go on, itís just a quick brief
thing. Both myself and Al, according to recall, have been
there mostly on a directed mission, per se. Sort of like a
íseeing eyeí. Part of my duties at Montauk were to basically
to be in sort of a trance-type system and have something
pass through me which would be -- how do I say -- for
informationís sake going places or something. It was one
directive system so I can only tell you on very linear
function what happened. Basically I was there just to see
about. Basically it would be 300 or 400 feet underground
plus the cavern type systems. There are all sorts of
symbolical references there. Tonal frequencies. It wasnít
necessarily a generator per se, but all sorts of frequencies
that were very much alive - almost as though some kind of
intelligence, per se. It was part of my duty to go and
investigate and see what occurred. So that was more or less
the two things that I saw.
SS: Did you see traveling back in time, did you see a
civilization on Mars?
DC: No, not I. Not myself. Possibly with Al. I only had 5 or
6 specific missions that I was involved in, as part of my
recall. Having to do with Al I donít know. Until recently I
have been denying any associations having to do with the
Philadelphia Experiment or Montauk or associated problems
because of a denial system within myself so now I am moving
ahead and trying to learn and reeducate myself so I am
looking out for more information even as we speak.
SS: Did the face on Mars have a function beyond decoration?
DC: Thatís a good question. Iíve never looked at that. In
that sense I could only be speculating.
Montauk was responsible for conditioning and influencing the
consciousness of the earth. That was one of the priorities,
possibly, tools to work with to condition and control
PN: The information source from what I remember your reading
said that it was essentially a defense for our whole solar
system. The Mars system would be protecting us well. Thatís
the first thing they would do was to shut that off so they
could get in.
DC: That would make sense.
SS: So if they had it on before Montauk then Montauk went up
and shut it off...
PN: Somebody went from Montauk through the portal that was
from space point A to space point B probably in real time.
The first thing they would do was shut that switch off. They
had to somehow sneak into the defenses and turn the switch
off. Maybe they had the key to shut it off. I donít know. I
wasnít part of that project. I was the guy that did the
electronics on the project. I was not involved with who went
where. I donít believe I went anywhere particular place in
SS: Do you know who is using that kind of equipment now?
the secret government still has some more
equipment. I canít believe that theyíre leaving it alone. I
donít think the monster in í83 scared them off completely.
They slowed it down some but Iím sure itís back on line
running full force right now somewhere.
SS: Is there any way to detect that?
PN: I pick up signals from similar projects all the time.
But signals that Montauk sent out sounded very much like
the Buzzsaw that was sawing the microphone in half that you talk
about in your magazine in your first article (Vol. 1 #131).
The Montauk function sounds very similar, in fact itís been
speculated that theyíre playing Montauk tapes in these other
transmitters and thatís what we hear as the Buzzsaw. Because
the function is the same. Itís the same kind of function.
Itís just a different emulation of the system.
at 450 to 470 megahertz. What weíre talking of today is 3 to
30 megahertz. But the modulations are the same as far as I
SS: And that includes the tunneling effect?
PN: No, Iím talking about the
mind control aspect of
SS: How about the tunneling?
PN: Tunneling -- that would work the same because it is all
thought forms. But you would have to go in to an actual time
warping function such as the
Delta T antenna.
DC: We somehow by chance or design ran into some girl in
Long Island who I had some association with. She was
troubled for a number of reasons and I followed her
information basis back on a psychic read type system. and it
seems like she was hooked up to something called íFreedom
Ridersí. She had some degree of clairvoyance.
How the thing works: when the DOR sensor is connected it
sends out a reverse of the DOR patternings and since you
have an exact reverse oscillation being built by the
transmitter, it cancels the real DOR oscillation. It cancels
it right out. Then they transmit the orgone function in
phase so it replaces the DOR function with the orgone
function thatís picked up by the orgone sensor. That is
simply in a nutshell how this thing works.
In the í40ís, í50ís, and í60ís, they sent up thousands of
these things. There were 200 to 300 of these in the air each
day. Now the interesting point to notice here is, if we look
at all these different devices, they all have a bottle shape
on the bottom--thatís the transmitter. And you notice they
have roughly the same shape up at the top. This says that
there is something estoteric here in the upper part of the
unit, which we donít understand to this day.
Now if you look here, youíll see this is the modulator coil
as outlayed in the diagram. Itís got the same modulator coil
inside this housing her.
SS: Whatís the power source?
PN: In this case, itís batteries. In the Biosonde itís AC.
SS: How long could they stay up there?
PN: A couple of days maybe. Theyíll float around until the
balloon bursts and they had a parachute that slowly carried
them back to earth. They can only transmit for about 3 to 4
hours. You could pressurize the balloon so that it rises to
a point and breaks and comes down. Or you could pressurize
it where it would float for days.
SS: Is that an actual orgone detector instrument?
PN: Well the thing is, the orgone and DOR output of these
things is in the subtle energy realm. I donít know of any
receiver that can detect the actual energetic function that
is coming out of here, the actual modulation. You listen to
this, you only hear a group of impulses. The DOR and
is inside those impulses and how to detect whatís inside the
impulses. I admit I donít know how to do it. I havenít had a
chance to analyze it but I got a Radiosonde Receptor which
is a receiver built to receive these things. Itís a very
strange circuit. The answer may be there, how to detect what
this is sending, but I donít understand it at this point.
SS: But itís detecting whatís there.
PN: Youíre talking about the actual detector itself.
SS: Yes. It [orgone] exists. The government hasnít said that
PN: No, they havenít. In Radiosonde circles this flat plate
with the black stuff on it, they call a humidity detector.
This is what detects the orgone. This little white rod here,
this is a temperature sensing resistor, it detects the DOR.
But also, this will detect humidity changes. The problem
with this is as you dampen the thing, dry it, dampen ii, it
goes out of calibration. After about 10 minutes of flight
these things are useless. These things will hold their
calibration for maybe weeks at a time.
But still it was lucky that they sent this up so someone
picked up one of these things came down on the ground. They
would see the white thermistor between these two
thing-a-ma-bobs here and this plate down here. Now the
plates sits between these two clips and these aluminum
covers go over it. If you follow Reichian technology,
aluminum lends to have a focuser for orgone. So they have
the orgone sensor here with the aluminum plate over it, the
aluminum plate will help pull the orgone to the orgone
sensor. Copper focuses DOR. This is why Reich made the
original orgone boxes out of steel or aluminum foil, but not
Now this device here is a transmitter. After Duncan did his
readings on these things, I realized what I had was a radionics transmitter. Whatever I put in would be sent out.
Any of you people sensitive? All you do is take this and
hold it. Youíll feel your energies build up in it. It might
get warm or it might get cool to you. Thatís essentially a
resonator of hyperspacial energies, the psychic energy. And
that design can be traced right to Wilhelm Reich through
Brookhaven National Laboratories.
See, after Reich developed this package, he called up the
government and told them that he had a device that could
knock the violence out of thunderstorms and asked if they
were interested. The government said, "Yes. Weíre
interested!" They requested Mr. Reich to mail a prototype to
Brookhaven on Long Island.
So they waited for a thunderstorm to approach and they sent
it up into the clouds. As it approached, the thunderhead
broke up and went around Brookhaven. At Brookhaven there was
a nice gentle sunlit shower while the area around was having
a thunderstorm. So of course they were very interested. They
worked with Mr. Reich to replicate the thing.
Now this transmitter, the silver box here, is a nice
packaged AC device. We had to have a device that would
sense; thatís the input well. The first mode we played with
was we took the orgone sensor from the Radiosonde and just
plugged it directly into the transmitter. And now you can
transduce your orgone. You hold this [sensor], you plug it
in and turn it on. Itís like sitting in an orgone box. This
is picking up your orgone and building it up. We wanted to
have a fancy witness coil so Mr. Cameron turned on his
psychic sense, talked to someone in one of the higher
domains, and he said we wanted to build a witness well. [A
"witness" is anything that would carry the vibrations of the
thing or place you want to sense or contact, such as,
clothing or a possession would be witness to a person.] How
do we go about doing it? And he channeled the whole design
of this device including the well receiver, the circuit
board and we made this input well. This input well turns out
to be vastly superior to the input well of the Kelly box or
an Hieronymus box or any of those devices.
Now what this will do for you simply: you plug the wire into
the transmitter. Whatever you dump in here [input well] this
array of coils and receiver will pick up the electromagnetic
component just as the chair picks up Duncanís
electromagnetic component, and will transduce it to be
broadcasted by the transmitter. This is essentially a
miniature Montauk. Not of the power that they had. And if
you put your hand in the well, turn the device on, it would
start building up your energies.
How you use Radionics equipment, them are three ways. You can
do a diagnosis with a radionics tuner where you get the
rates, that where you put the witness in the witness well,
you rub the rub plate and you tune the tuner until you get a
maximum stick. (As you turn a tuner knob with one hand, you
are rubbing a small íplateí with the other hand; when you
get a feeling of stickiness on the plate the tuner is at the
right setting.) All thatís telling you is whatever youíre
conceptualizing in your mind scans from low to high on the
dial is in resonance when you get the "stick". You get
several rate number systems youíre using, you get the rates
[from the position of the tuner knob], you go to the phone
book of rates, took it up and see [what the diagnosis is.]
Now over on another column theyíll be reversing rates the
antirates. So you set the device to those rates, you throw
the switch that says íbroadcastí, and what it does it feeds
the thing back so it oscillates and transmits to the person
the reverse rates.
Now what is actually happening here? All the device is
doing, itís a concentration point thatís connecting you the
operator to the mind of the subject. As youíre scanning
through, youíre interrogating the subjectís mind as to
whatís wrong with the body. Then when you do the treatment,
youíre actually instructing the personís subconscious mind
what to do. As we all know, the subconscious mind is what
directly controls the physical body, and if our conscious
mind and subconscious mind stays in touch with each other,
our subconscious mind has a foothold in the reality that can
regulate the body correctly. As we get more paranoic and
more upset and more bent out of shape and more crazy, the
subconscious mind looses touch with the conscious mind. It
means now the subconscious mind loose its foothold into
reality. It doesnít know how to direct the body anymore.
Thatís when we get sick. This is one of the major theories.
Now, if someone comes over and hits your leg with a sledge
hammer itís going to break your leg. Thatís not caused by
the subconscious mind loosing touch with reality. But
disease that develop from outside influences such as germs
and such, can be traced, itís believed by this group of
people, to the subconscious mind not running the immune
system properly to eliminate that irritant, and you get
So what they try to do is find out, be interrogating the
subconscious mind, what is wrong and telling the
subconscious mind how to heal the body. The device itself
doesnít heal. This is not a healing machine, this is just a
broadcaster, what ever you put in the well for the primary
witness, you can put any agent, thought form or whatever in
the well just as you would with the radionics device. The
energetic component of that stuff that you put in will tag
along with the witness to the person and you can actually
talk to the personís subconscious mind through this.
How you treat people -- there are three means essentially.
The most common means is the reversing rate, which works
psychically, by the people who designed the equipment.
Thatís why you get the large book with all the rates and
reverse rates in it.
Another way is through reagents such as homeopathic
remedies, herbs, etc. which work on the subconscious mind
and the subtle body. If the herb or reagent is purely an
energetic effect, this will transmit the energetic effect to
the person without using up the reagent.
Another mode they use was designed by
Malcolm Ray in
Britain. He made a box with two wells -- the reagent goes in
one and distilled water in the other. He had cards that had
geometric patterns or messages on them. The cards would
contain thought forms. And as energy flowed from one well to
the other well, it would impress the thought forms on the
target well. The well does nothing with the writing or the
ink on the paper, but it picks up and senses the thought
that you put on the paper and transmits the thought to the
SS: You mentioned in your talk about
Montauk and the old
DC: There were a number of survivors, if my information is
correct, of the old universe. If Montauk was as good and as
manipulating as we believe, the concept was, those people
who had a connection into an old Earth function -- we call
it the old universe -- if they were coming from a system
that was highly chaotic and had come into here into this
framework, if those people had a connection with such a
system that was basically going to the more chaotic side and
if Montauk was trying to bring in a great chaotic system,
and somehow the control group got wind of this, there could
be and what we have information on was an attempt to try to
bring in this high disruptive value. Thereís all sorts of
associated other rumors in regards to this. It hasnít been
factual; we donít have a lot of information per se. But
there is some evidence to support some of what appeared in
Star Wars, indeed is a fairly good account of an old system
that was basically failing apart and is growing more and
SS: Old in terms of time and space, or are we talking about
a parallel universe?
PN: It seems like to me itís a parallel universe thing. The
legend base essentially that a long time ago there was a
parallel universe. Probably most of mankind was in that old
universe. it evolved into a totally despotic form of
government that took hold and held for millenniums, which is
essentially what the
One World Government has here. They
will be starling up a despotic form of government and
through their technology base theyíre able to hold the
population pretty much the way the mind control here is
heading. And what happened was a small rebel group that were
fighting this, and the fight continued. It went on and on
and on just as in Star Wars.
But somewhere along the line another group of beings entered
the old universe. They came in and did something terrible.
The legend has it that they were a life form, essentially
ape-mind energies of sentient beings, but they would suck
the life energy out of you. They came in and there was
nothing they could do to stop them. At that point a small
group of what was left put all of the technology that they
had into breaking the dimensional barrier and broke into
this universe, but sealed the hole up enough so that this
other life form could not come into this universe. There
have been suggestions at Montauk that they were trying to
bring this other life form in. We have very little data to
back that up at all. This is pure legend at this point.
SS: Thereís a lot of science fiction like that.
PN: Yes. That probably is based on almost like a racial
memory from a long long time ago.
SS: What were you referring to when you spoke of
PN: There were two generations of the Montauk chair. The
original generation was built in a site know as ITT
World-Wide Communications / Makay [sp?] Marine in
Southampton Long Island. That one looked almost like a
multi-pyramid structure with three coils. With that one they
were able to use a more standard receiver structure. They
use the ITT Makay Radio, what they call an ISB receiver
which was based on a 1950 Hamilin [sp?] short wave receiver,
the same receiver I used to listen to the "Buzzsaw". They
made a very special carrier synchronizer system in what we
call ISB detectors which is upper and lower side band. So it
means you have two outputs and one input for your receiver.
What the outputs would look like would be an imaginary
carrier and then an upper and lower information band. They
would tune the to three of the hyperspacial window frequency
channels. So you would have an upper part of the window and
a lower part of the window. So they actually had six outputs
from the three receivers, two for each receiver.
Now the carrier processing --they would take-- lets say you
were detecting the X coil, they would take the Y and Z coil
summon and then use that to modulate the X coil and do the
same thing for the Y and the same thing for the Z. And the
synchronizing system that theyíd come up with on the
suppressed carrier ISB reception was such that it was what
we call a phantom-phase-lock-loop system where you donít
even need a carrier to lock. The thing locked on white
noise. So that means the thing would lock itself on the
Delta white noise in the window frequency.
Thatís how the first chair was built. That had to be a
distances away because that was subject to the incoming
fields. They had to locate that far enough away so the
transmitter didnít interfere with it. It was microwave
length from Southampton to Montauk.
Now they had problems with it because if the information was
being sent and the reality glitch or a reality shift
happened it was a glitch in the information. Youíve got to
remember the Cray-Computer at Montauk was working on timing
functions so the timing of the six data streams was very
critical. For some reason they did not want to move the
Cray-I to the Southampton installation then send the two
channels of digital information on the microwave length. May
be there was configurations in the Cray-I that were much
more secret than the chair was at that point. The
Southamptonís installation of course wasnít as high a
security installation as Montauk was.
They went with RCA for the second chair. RCA built the
second chair. RCA had receivers which were already designed
on the Delta T function. So it means instead of having the
Delta T and the coil structure. the Delta T function was now
in the receivers. So now theyíre able to use standard XYZ Helmholz [sp?] coils.. Then the
new chair was underground at
Montauk and sat in a small room where the coils were close
to the chair. In other words, letís say Duncan was sitting
in the chair. There would be coils on both sides of him,
around the head and around the feet, then more coils on the
top and the bottom. They were hooked to three very
specialized receivers designed in the 30ís by
which had Delta coil structures in the receiver stages. Then
they used the same type of IF detection with the
synchronized oscillation. They used the ITT Makay-phantom-lock
design on the RCA receivers. In other words, RCA combined
the lockup system of the ITT with their Delta T receivers,
so the receiver looked almost identical in design. It had
the same six channels of output, had the same upper and
lower side bands.
SS: But much better design.
PN: The front end was a Delta T design. They didnít need
Delta T in the coil. Now the Helmholz coil structure can
be... the coils can be phased where theyíre insensitive to
outside influences. So that means theyíre able to operate at
Montauk directly and they didnít have the data problem of
going over a 20 mile microwave length and getting timing
glitches every so often that would throw the whole thought
for in transmission helter skelter.
There also is believed that there is a third chair set up in
Britain on the on the Thames River. We call that
Chair we donít know exactly where on the Thames River it is.
That comes up in readings. The other two chain I have direct
memories of ícause I was involved in designing the RF
equipment that was used with both chairs. So I did see and I
do recall both coil structures and both receiver setups at
SS: You said you could tell somebody who had been through
Montauk by their aura?
DC: Yes I do.
SS: How? What do you see?
DC: Basically thereís a color attachment to it. Itís a
yellow-green nauseous attachment, if I could use the word.
Thatís the only thing that comes to mind directly. Itís the
fading as though someone had that aura of leprosy, so to
speak. He was an outcast, that had this strange queerness
about them which was as though they were, letís say, buried
underground for years alive, having that sense of
strangeness or queerness about them. Itís very distinct. If
youíve been exposed to it, and had the sensitivity to see
it, itís really around them.
SS: When you say attachment, does that mean itís just on one
DC: Itís within the auric structure and thereís also
attachments that go outside. Itís also associated strings
attached to the people, as the psychic type energy function
that are in association with a person and outside. All sorts
of tag-along are associated to it.
SS: And these attachments are still attached to something on
the other end?
DC: Oh sure. Itís not a healthy energetic structure of the
body which, if the system is working correctly, it does
clean itself back to its original process. Itís an indicate
of things that are askew, for sure.
SS: Weíve heard of putting magnets on your body to increase
the energy. Are there ways to do this by magnetics besides
by using electronic devices?
PN: Well the thing you can say about magnetic fields is that
a magnetic field is the portal or window into the shell
function or the anti-matter world. So a magnet definitely is
a multidimensional window. Magnetic fields are pure
potential energy, theyíre a pure potential structure. Unless
you move them, they donít do any work. If you move them they
do work. This of course is normal physics at this point.
So the body is needing the magnetic potentials that are good
and vitalize you. Iíve also seen people I hat magnets have a
tendency to drag down instead of build up.
SS: Someone we know experienced that. He was unknowingly
sleeping beside some heavy magnets and woke up drained of
energy. Perhaps the magnets were facing the wrong way, if
thereís a difference.
PN: Yes, there is a difference. Thereís also another kind of
ray that comes off the sides of the magnet between the north
and south pole. Itís almost like a ray emanating into a
black hole, is the only way I can think to express it.
DC: Itís something that weíve recently been exposed to by a
fellow named Jerry in Staton Island, New York.
PN: Heís a psychic that sees magnetic fields. Those plates
we put in the Biosonde yesterday were from Jerry. There is a
coating of, in black point, of magnetic powders that somehow
heís witnessing to the Earth through the telluric field of
the earth. And all itís doing was transducing the orgone
field of the earth into the room. Thatís why you got the
cool breeze going through the room. And thatís tied directly
SS: At the lecture you mentioned "entrainment"....
PN: The esoteric database that we subscribe to believes you
can entrain 10% of a system you can entrain the other 90% of
the system. Which means if you can raise the consciousness
of 10% of the population; the other 90% will fall into the
pattern sooner or later. Theyíll fall in just on the fact
that 10% are there. This can be backed up... we have what we
call the museum, which is a whole stack of radio receivers.
We found that if you can tune up 10% of them, the other 90%
of them will fall into the pattern, no matter where theyíre
tuned. The level seems to be 10%. If youíre like at 8%
thereís partial entrainment. 10% is full entrainment. So the
plateau seems to be 10% from the viewpoint of physics. Why
that is we canít explain. It has something to do with
frequency transformed and this sort of thing and we canít
express it at this point.
SS: Does the frequency make a difference?
DC: What is the prerequisite is the intent into the tuning.
To have intent and follow that intent as you go along. And
when you start resonating with that intent you get a
vibratory pattern which is gracious to it and falls into it.
Then you follow that along and get 10% then the rest fall
along behind it. But itís the intent for sure.