Dan Burisch: Yes, Iím by nature a recluse. People are going to find
that out very soon... Well, you know, thereís another thing too.
Iíve had over the last twenty years so many cameras on me...
Marci McDowell: Or more...
D: Iím at the point where itís OK.
Kerry Cassidy: Well. thatís good. Yeah, so youíre actually cool with
it. Well thatís nice.
D: Weíve had... Iíve had cameras in extremely invasive .. that can
be done to me any more...
This is exactly what I was thinking about [laughs].
K: It is?
D: Nightshade presents: ďDr. Burisch Blamed for LaQuinta Fire.Ē
D: Oh lovely. ďGeorge Knapp here...Ē Ohhhh lovely.
Marci: ď... reporting from LaQuinta.Ē
K: Right. Beautiful...
Start of interview
Kerry: OK. ... Iím very pleased to be with Dan Burisch and...
Dan: I just introduced myself...
K: Well, actually, I would like you to sort of give a brief
introduction, ah, who you are and what youíre known for.
[humorously] Maybe what youíd like to be known for?
D: Aside from cantankerous activities...
K: Uh huh.
D: And, ah disobeying certain, authority structures. Well... Iím a
microbiologist... a retired one now, but continuing somewhat the
practice involved in a very unusual project called Lotus. I am a
twenty-year retiree from Majestic, first having been brought in in
1986 under the auspices of the Committee of the Majority, and
specifically working for the Majestic-12 assigned to
Aquarius. I suppose Iím more known for meeting a J-Rod?
working at S-4. Aside from that, I donít really know what Iím known
for, aside from irritating a bunch of people on the web that donít
want to hear about me.
K: OK. So you worked for Majestic and you were basically, I mean, in
brief ... and I know thereís a really long history as to how youíve
D: Right. Well, Lotus was an accessory project. It wasnít, you
know... it was funded because everything that I was doing at the
time was being funded, ultimately, by them. But, ah, it was an
accessory project. It wasnít something of a critical nature for...
for the Majestic, or as I believed for a long time. However the
principle of the Lotus ultimately ended up being a rather, ah,
earth-shaking item for the participants at the T-9 conference a
couple of years ago.
The T-9 conference
K: What is the T-9 conference?
D: It... during the course of speaking with extra-terrestrials, and
our interactions with them from the 1950s onward, there have been a
series of treaties established between we and they... they meaning
the future human intelligence. Time-travelers. And there have been a ... As a consequence of our relationship with them, there have been
more than one treaty system in place. During the last one of those
treaty negotiation and signing times I had the privilege of being in
the presence of the negotiators, at the conference which was held in
the state of New Mexico.
K: And there were how many aliens present at the time?
D: There were two... four... six, and a few in the strollers behind
the curtains, so we had, ah...
K: A few in strollers? Iím sorry. What was that reference?
D: Theyíre unable to cope for long periods of time in our
K: I see.
D: Our present atmosphere. Theyíve adapted, if you will, to the
atmospheres of their... their particular future timeline. And as a
consequence, coming here would be oppressive to them, existing in
our standard temperature, and our pressure. So they have been
provided unique, sealed off, pressurized, systems that they would be
moved around in by their attendants, basically on a Segway-type
transport system, where you can push it and it will actually move
forward... very easily maneuverable.
K: I see. So thatís what you meant by a
D: Right, right.
D: And so they were encapsulated in their strollers in their
positions as negotiators for their... ah.... their time. And...
K: Are you saying that these aliens that were present at this
conference that happened... what, this year? Last year?
D: A couple years...
K: A couple years ago, in which they discussed... Iím assuming it
D: Between 2003 and 4.
K: Iím sorry?
D: Between 2003 and 2004.
K: And they discussed the Lotus project?
D: It was brought up and in fact, ah, as part of the negotiations
the P+45,000 group of J-Rods, wanted the codes for the Lotus
principle added into the treaty negotiations so that they could use
it in their own attempts to ameliorate their particular
K: Wow. So they saw the value...
D: They wanted to use it.
K: So they saw the value right away.
D: They saw potential value for it...
K: Uh huh.
D: ...and they wanted to use it for that purpose. It was my argument
that it should not be used for a particular purpose, that this is,
moreover, part of a natural system which has been put in place by
whatever god that one would want to deign as being the creator of
the universe, as part of a natural system and not to be controllable
by humankind. In so doing...
K: Or by alien kind, by inference?
D: Well, theyíre humans. Theyíre humans.
K: You would consider them humans.
D: Theyíre humans.
K: OK, so...
D: Theyíre human beings, albeit different from what we, ah, would
expect to see as a human being. But then again if we look in the
history, the presently accepted history, of the evolution of
humankind... If one were to walk, ah, into a conference held by
Neanderthals, one would be taken aback. Well in the same way one may
be taken aback by walking into a conference with these gentlemen.
K: OK. So youíve got two kinds of aliens. And people that are
watching this... some people may have no idea about the... the
T-2... the two timelines...
D: Probably not. And we actually had three kinds of
extra-terrestrials, human lineage extra-terrestrials, present. Two
kinds of P+45,000 years from now if we were to translate over to
Timeline 2. (Difficult subjects, arenít they?) [smiling] Ah... two
representatives from that time. Two representatives from P+52,000
years ahead J-Rods... both of which generally have the anatomical
configuration of what would be in ufology called Grays.
D: Gray aliens. And two representatives from P+52,000 Orions who
would generally, I guess, in ufological circles I guess one could
say, would call Nordics... or Talls.
K: OK. And, and... were there...
D: Actually they are more human-like, but have larger eyes, very
blue eyes, blondish hair, etcetera.
K: I see. And... OK, well, of course Iíve got many questions on this
D: So do I.
K: [laughs] But, and for people listening, we would also like to
know, were there any ďreptiliansĒ present?
D: ...No.... not per se.
K: Ok, can you...
D: What Iíve come to understand... and itís generally held ... I
think I can say itís generally held within our society... that the
notion of a reptilian is a misnomer. And Iím not saying that to
apply a negative connotation to the stories that individuals have
brought forward, probably mostly forthrightly...
Portals = Micro-Wormholes?
...But that when you view or observe, ah, what would be called
Gray... what I would call a J-Rod... ah... the particular ruddy
configuration of their skin, that changes in the sudoriferous
glandular structure of their... of their skin, can make them appear,
during exacerbations of the illness, very reptilian in appearance.
And also possibly preying mantis type, ah, in appearance.
have... They are also suffering from a Cockayne-like syndrome which
makes them lurch forward, so they appear very preying mantis-like.
So I think that possibly many of the accounts which have
forthrightly come from individuals who have actually been abducted
by the P-45s, have maybe been interpreted as being reptilian in
appearance because of their skin structure. But theyíre not really
D: Now, Iím not saying.... Iím trying to be inclusive here ... that
there are things in they... the... in the mind of man and in the
glorious universe of God that I donít know. That thereís a
possibility that individuals have been... have encountered alien
species not to my reference. Given the fact... I mean, you know...
Gosh, Iíve had to accept the fact that there are human beings that
many years ahead of us on another timeline co-existing in reality.
How hard would it be for me accept that there are other
extra-terrestrials of non-human lineage? Of which Iíve only been
briefed about one, which was an extra-dimensional species, who have
referenced other extra-terrestrial species that I know nothing
K: Mm hm.
D: How hard is it for me to accept that, after Iíve been in the
presence of a human-lineage extra-terrestrial? I donít have a
problem with that, but at the same time I donít have evidence to
support it either. ďReptilianĒ in that, if one were under stress,
and one had no previous reference to their biology, their
pathophysiology, their particular problems, one could reasonably
expect, out of a group of people experiencing them, that more than
fifty percent of the group could probably say that they were
reptilian in appearance.
K: Hm. OK, thatís interesting.
D: Thatís the best I can say...
K: So their appearance morphs to some degree into more of
K: ...under stress...
K: ...is... what youíre saying? I mean, maybe you donít like the
D: Iím saying people could interpret them that way.
D: Reasonably be expected...
D: ...to interpret them that way if they do not have a scientific
grounding in what theyíre looking at.
D: You know, Iím trying not to... Iím trying to be inclusive of
reports of individuals that have no reason to have come forward and
say things that theyíve said, for other than the fact theyíve
experienced something. Iím trying to understand, or maybe... help
people to understand why they may have interpreted it as well...
D: ...these things in this way. However, they may have actually come
into contact with something which was fully reptilian in appearance.
D: I donít know. I havenít...
D: Iím trying to be honest at the same time tell people... because
apparently itís happened to me... that itís OK... that they were
K: OK. Apparently whatís happened...
D: ...and, ah, that itís happened.
K: OK. Apparently what has happened to you?
D: Well... in 1973 I was playing in a park in southern California,
in Mae Boyar Park. This is probably going to come out in one or more
versions of the debriefing of me. I was playing baseball with my
grandpa in the park. And I was having him throw me a ball so I could
catch it over my shoulder. I was trying to run away at the same time
and he would throw the ball so I could try to catch the ball like
Willie Maysís famous catches. During one of these throws of the
ball... I remember looking up toward the sun... it was high in the
sky at the time, it was summertime ... and... glancing away because
the sun was blinding me; looking down toward the grass, which was
very bright green at the time; and then seeing a flash where the
grass appeared to turn black. I appeared... from my perspective I
was... I was covered in a shadow. The shadow reminded me of a
triangular bat kite...
D: ...that I had played with, with my grandfather over the riverbed
nearby. And thatís the way I was basically able to describe it at
the time. I was... what, I was nine. I was nine at the time. Ah...
Then I remember a flash. Immediately there is a disjoint memory of
this... itís not contiguous... where I saw my grandfather sitting
over by a tree several yards away from me. And the sun had clearly
moved in its aspect to me, so time had clearly passed. The Earth had
moved and the time had passed. At least several hours had passed. He
was very shook up. I ran over to him, asked him what happened and he
didnít want to talk about it. He said, ďYouíre OK now. Youíre OK
now.Ē And he wanted to go home. So he walked me home immediately
over the overpass over Del Amo Boulevard and we went home. This
precipitated a major domestic upset between my grandparents and my
mom and dad. Ultimately this domestic upset resulted in my
grandparents moving out.
And around that same time, I was having unusual dreams. And in the
dream I would wake up... Do I think they were probably dreams now?
No... But I would wake up and I would walk from my bedroom through
the restroom which connected between my bedroom and a small laundry
area that went to a doorway off the north side of our house. And to
the right of that laundry area there was a closet. Thatís the closet
where my grandpa used to put his work jacket and his work boots. He
worked at Gaffers & Sattlerís as an enamel dipper, dipping pieces in
enamel for... manually... for things like appliances, stoves,
etcetera. And he would come home every day just covered in enamel
dots all over his jacket and his boots. And I would open the door to
that closet and thatís all I can remember from the dream.
K: Uh huh.
D: But I knew that I was meeting somebody called Harry. He was a
little friend. And I know that as knowledge, that I met a little
friend there, but I have no visual memory of what Harry looked like.
It was finally... because I finally told my mom and dad about it...
and it was finally rationalized away that I was... because I was
still watching Sesame Street at the time, that it was Oscar the
Grouch. And thatís the way my mom put it. She said, ďYouíre thinking
about Oscar the Grouch. Because he looks furry and hairy.Ē And from
that time on, as the dreams continued, I then remember seeing Oscar
the Grouch in my dream, but not in the closet, ah, in the restroom,
or... you know, past the restroom. But I remember just seeing a
picture of Oscar the Grouch. So I felt very calm about it after
that. I... you know, I accepted it, as a boy.
K: So how... OK. So you were in... You were abducted in some...
in.... in something that you donít remember the details of. Is that
D: Yeah, I told you what the...
K: ...one thatís missing time...
D: ... the actual memory of it from my boyhood... that is it. Now I
remember, possibly, and Iím not sure over the years whether this was
confabulation or not, because I was a boy at the time. I think I
remember seeing a tall person... like if you take a movie frame,
like one frame, or a flash of a still picture...
K: Uh huh.
D: ...like an iconic memory almost... of a tall person standing next
to him at the tree.
K: Next to your grandfather.
D: My grandpa. Yeah.
D: And he refused until the day he passed to discuss what happened.
He would become extremely agitated. And John Doty for certain had
many conversations with him... and maybe even John would...
K: This is your father and mother...
D: Yeah... theyíre my mom and dad that I grew up with. Iíve learned
certain things about my family since then that are really neither
here nor there, having to do with who was actual biological father
and biological mother and things like that. But... they were my mom
and dad. They are my mom and dad. I mean, they are the mom and dad I
remember growing up with and, ah, I...
K: But they are not MJ-1...
D: No, no.
K: OK. But MJ-1 is.... Somehow this... this abduction occurred... of
your experience seem to have resulted in you becoming or you being
viewed as the son of MJ-1. Is that right?
D: Right, right. What happened is this: I also learned of what
happened to me from Chiíelíah, the J-Rod that I met at S-4.
D: He showed me from his perspective what had happened to me in
D: I saw myself being pulled by my chest, upward, off the surface of
the park. I saw my grandfather going like this [acts out holding
head in hands] and basically panicking... crying, because he wasnít
able... My grandfather was very protective of me... and he wasnít
able to protect me. And now I understand, God bless him, why he was
so upset. The one person in his whole life that he.... knew that he
would protect, that he loved that much to protect... but he couldnít
protect at that moment. And I understand...
D: ...why he was so upset. But the
J-Rod showed me what happened to
me, that I was picked up and that I was laid down on a table in some
sort of a craft, ah.... and that this craft was a generally...
ah.... chevron-shaped, almost triangular shaped craft. And I was
laid down next to a series of young people, one of which was in fact
the son of the former MJ-1. Something went wrong during the the
course of my time on board the craft, when samples were being taken
of me for their studies. And the son of the former MJ-1 died.
that time they put some sort of equipment on me. It almost looked
like an EEG type... ah, a neural net, if you will... the receivers,
probes... electrodes, if you will... on me. And they were trying to
save, desperately trying to save... And I could see the... the
movement of the J-Rods around this other boy. And I know what he
looked like and all of that because Iíve seen it through the eyes of
Chiíelíah. They were trying to save him, and he ultimately passed.
During that time, apparently they were trying whatever technology
that they employ to save the boy by ďstoringĒ him. Ah.... that
Chiíelíah was with the P-45s at the time.
These were P-45,000
J-Rods. And they looked at us... They look at us as no more than,
ah... containers or... cylinders, almost. Almost like beakers full
of material, electromagnetic material. And so they were trying to
save, store, his energy if you will... [voice off camera]... Right.
Marci has suggested the word vessels. Right. Ah, they were trying to
store him for a while, I guess, in me.
Now, my memory of myself at the time was a rather dull boy that
liked to play baseball... and with GI-Joes and things like that. The
record of me at the time was that I had an OK acuity in science.
Thatís what the elementary school teachers were saying. I donít
remember having acuity like that in science. And there is a disjoint
in my own story of myself because of this. Because after I was put
down... back in the park, over the course of the next couple of
years there were changes in me.
But, then again, there should have
been because I was growing up. But there was a substantive
intellectual change in me where I was no longer interested in those
same things of my youth. Was that maturation? Probably some of it.
Was it a change as a result of what was done with me on board the
craft? The Majestic thinks so, thinks that it had something to do
with that other boy. Because that other boy was known as very bright
in the sciences. And all of a sudden, true enough, I got a hankering
for Erlenmeyer flasks and boiling flasks and microscopes that Iíd
never had before.
K: OK, but...
D: And that Iíve possessed ever since.
K: On some level, the MJ-1ís son that was on the craft, next to you,
that... that possibly you received, ah... a soul transfer from... Is
the MJ group had to be cognizant of what was going on. In other
D: They knew that that had happened...
K: And they knew during the time...
D: Heís admitted to me that they knew that that had happened at the
K: But, in other words, was this... ah... So you were chosen, in a
D: I believe that I was ... The only evidence... I donít know.
D: I donít know. The evidence that I have was that I was... from
hearing about the sampling program... was that I was picked up as a
random population sample... ah... the son of blue collar worker...
and just the son of a blue collar worker. My family was total blue
collar. But there are a lot of coincidences that suggest that people
were moved into a place to later teach me. It happened before 1973.
Can I put my finger on that and say, ďOh yeah, they knew what was
going to happen to me and that I was going to be picked up?Ē I canít
say that because I wouldn't be honest, but I get the feeling as
though... [looks off camera] Marcia has held up two letters to me:
LG - for Looking Glass.
K: Oh, I see.
D: She knows more...
K: I see, I see.
D: Iím sitting here in the presence of an individual that actually
knows more of the truth, and cannot tell me, for whatever reason...
more of the truth about whatís happened to me, than I know.
D: Sheís just held up the word, the letters LG for Looking Glass.
Sheís indicating to me that they knew.
K: In other words... and
Looking Glass is the ability to look into
the future, so what youíre suggesting...
D: Itís a machine for that use. Yeah.
K: ...MJ-12 was using Looking Glass, perhaps saw that the first son
of MJ-1 was going to die and planned to groom you to carry on...
D: Itís possible.
K: ...in his place.
D: Itís possible.
K: Uh huh.
D: But Iíve never been told by them. That.
K: Did J-Rod...
D: Excuse me... but the humans have been forthcoming, that that is
the reality involved, because, I mean, even... and I donít know for
certain that he was ever read into the program, God bless him...
Jim, my mentor... Dr. Jim Reynolds. He was moved into places that
almost set him up perfectly for Dotyís call, my momís call that day,
to talk with him at Long Beach Memorial Hospital. And she has since
admitted to Marci that she received a sum of money.
There are some
not-good things here, and I still love them both for everything that
theyíve done for me, but yet thereís an incompatibility now because
Iím still the eight or nine year old boy in their eyes, that they
are willing to try to take sovereignty away from. It produces an
incompatibility in the relationship.
K: What weíre trying to find out, though, is how did you hook up
with MJ-1 after that? I mean...
D: Well, the first time that I saw him was at the back of the
meeting room at the George C. Page Museum, when I was a member of
the Los Angeles Microscopical Society.
K: How old were you?
D: 13, 14, somewhere in there.
K: So it was a few years after...
D: It was a few years after I started becoming really interested in
all the beakers and the microscopes and things like that, when I was
introduced to Jim Reynolds at Long Beach Memorial Medical Center.
Jim Reynolds then introduced my mom and myself to John deHaas, who
was then Associate Professor of Protozoology, as I understand, at
University of Southern California. He was also the head of deHaas
Optical, a microscope salesman, who then put me in contact with the
Los Angeles Microscopical Society at the George C. Page Museum, with
whom he was associated as a member, as a senior member, in fact, at
During the course of my association with the LA Micro
Society, I saw the former MJ-1 walk in the back doorway. I sat at
the back right of the room, where my ďspotĒ kind of was. And I
noticed him just standing back there, and he kind of just blended in
with the crowd that was kind of coming and going. And he looked at
me. And I looked at him Ďcause I noticed he was laying a little too
long of a gaze on me. And I was paranoid as it was. I was scared to
death just being around these bright people. Ah... These were
Zane Price was one of them, who was the
head of the Electron Microlab at UCLA. And these were accomplished
people. And I noticed he laid this gaze on me from the back of the
room. And he took his lighter and he lit... he opened it. It was a
Zippo lighter and it had a United States Navy seal on it. And he
just popped it and lit it, and closed it up and walked out the back
door. I had no idea who this dude was... scared to ask anybody
because I didnít want to look stupid. You know, I was a geeky teen.
Later on I find out that he just wanted to introduce himself to me
early on. He just wanted to see where I was in my life at the time.
Now, of course, the association was already established because of
his son Michael and all of that business, from Ď73, and this was
like 1975... Ď76 ...
K: Uh huh.
D: ...right in that general time frame.
K: So... OK...
D: That was my first meeting with him. And I didnít really meet with
him at the time; he showed himself to me.
K: I understand. And you have since developed a relationship with
him such that there is affection there and he does consider you his
D: He treats me very son-like. Yes.
K: OK. But would you also say that itís his... you know... he
regards you as his son literally. Or does... I mean, he must be
conscious of the shift, or the transfer....
K: ...that took place.
D: He knows what happened on board...
D: Weíve had long discussions about this.
D: In fact, during a short... Well, we had an entire night
discussion about it one night. You know, Iím trying to do the right
things by everybody and thatĎs the only reason why..... to be
honest, I mean, you know... my debriefing must come out to the
public to the extent that the authentic message, the truthful
message, of what I saw... what Iíve seen... comes out... ah.... and
that concerns the extra-terrestrial issue.
But the rest of it... my
losing my knees out at Mae Boyar Park and falling at the base of the
tree where my grandpa was, thatís not required. But for people to
know that itís not bullshit...