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  by Van Bryan
 August 01, 2025
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							"There is nothing 
							either good or bad but thinking makes it so." 
						
						So run's a famous line 
						from Shakespeare's Hamlet.    
						
						Even now, it's a startling 
						concept:  
							
							
							the idea that morality 
							itself is non-existent, and entirely dependant on 
							our own minds and perspectives. 
						
						Yet the idea itself was 
						nothing new, even in the Bard's time. And yes, as with a 
						great many things, it has its roots in the ancients.
 More specifically, it comes from ancient Greek 
						philosophy.
 
 The Sophists were a controversial group of philosophers 
						who played a key role in the intellectual life of fifth 
						century Athens.
   
						
						Socrates himself was a 
						vocal critic, and even today their ideas remain 
						influential and even 'dangerous'...
 Yet there's no denying that their ideas changed the 
						world, for good or bad... if either of those things 
						really exist.
 
						
						 Sean Kelly
 Managing Editor
 Classical Wisdom
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			As
			
			democracy came about in Athens 
			during the 5th century BCE, the city grew into 
			prosperity.
 
			  
			With the leadership of Pericles, Athens 
			ushered in a "Golden Age" of scholarship and culture that would be 
			marked with several advancements in the area of philosophy, 
			literature and politics.  
			  
			During this time there was an established system 
			of law which, like our modern legal system, guaranteed an individual 
			his right to trial. Any man brought to court was allowed to plead 
			his case before a collection of judges who would consider an 
			appropriate ruling.  
			  
			And while there was nothing in the way of formal 
			legal representation, there slowly emerged a group of legal 
			advocates that, for a fee, would act as advisors to the accused. 
			  
			It was opportunities such as these that gave 
			birth to the group known as
			
			the Sophists.
 The Sophists were a collection of wandering teachers 
			that roamed Greece during the late 5th century, 
			dispensing wisdom and lectures for a fee.
 
			  
			And while many of them would find work as legal 
			advocates, many others lectured on subjects such as literary 
			criticism, poetry, and grammar. Still, their chief aim was to 
			provide training in rhetoric, persuasion, as well as the art of 
			winning over a crowd.  
			  
			And while the Sophists were often criticized, 
			there remained great need for their services.
 With the decline of aristocracy and the sudden rise of democracy, 
			rhetoric became extremely important to those with political 
			ambition. Politicians like Themistocles, were trained in the art of
			rhetoric and persuasion and would gain 
			lofty political titles because of it.
 
			  
			Public speaking was also important to the average 
			citizen who always ran the risk of being brought to court where he, 
			and he alone, would be forced to defend himself with only the power 
			of his words.
 
			Still, the Sophists are often remembered with 
			disdain... 
			  
			Harsh criticisms were brought against them by the 
			likes of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.  
				
				They were accused, and perhaps rightfully so, 
				of relying on persuasion and rhetoric to appear wise, without 
				actually pursuing any form of knowledge.    
				They could excite a crowd with their eloquent 
				prose, and persuade their listeners to agree with them, even 
				when possessing a weaker argument.    
				All the while they were accepting the coins 
				of their students, becoming rich from their lectures that often 
				dispensed untruth. 
			That isn't to say that all the Sophists were 
			thieves and con men.  
			  
			Many of them were men who happened to possess a 
			particular mind set that had drawn them to sophism.  
			  
			At the heart of sophism there is a universal 
			understanding that united them:  
				
				it was the belief that all truth is 
				relative... 
			It was this singular idea that possessed the 
			Sophists. Many of them used it as validation for making weaker 
			arguments strong, while collecting a fee all the while.  
			  
			Others saw the philosophical implications of such 
			an idea. 
				
				"If you are ignorant of [what a Sophist 
				really is], you cannot know to whom you are entrusting your soul 
				- whether it is to something good or to something evil." 
				Plato (Protagoras) 
			One of the most prominent of the Sophists was 
			
			Protagoras.  
			  
			  
			
			 
			Protagoras 
			by Jusepe de Ribera, 
			1637 
			  
			  
			Born in Abdera, in northeast Greece.  
			  
			He would spend much of his life traveling, 
			lecturing to anyone who could afford him. He would eventually travel 
			to Athens and become the advisor to the ruler Pericles.
			 
			  
			A man who was a self proclaimed sophist, 
			Protagoras would put forth several ideas that expanded on the 
			loose doctrine of sophism. These ideas would expand to all areas 
			of human nature and would partially be supported by later 
			anthropological studies.  
			  
			Although he admits to being a Sophist, Protagoras 
			is often remembered more as a pre-Socratic philosopher who 
			gave us the rather bold idea that, 
				
				man is the measure of all things... 
			As mentioned before, the Sophists rejected the 
			idea of objective truth.  
			  
			Protagoras expanded on this and began examining 
			the essence of human nature and how it would relate to such abstract 
			notions such as justice, virtue and wisdom.
			 
			  
			Having little to no interest in philosophical 
			speculation about the substance of the cosmos or the existence of 
			gods, Protagoras placed humans at the forefront of his philosophical 
			inquest.
 By observing the Sophists arguing amongst each other, each 
			possessing different arguments yet each believing themselves to be 
			correct, Protagoras concluded that truth was very much a 
			matter of opinion.
 
				
				The worth or value of an idea is determined 
				entirely by the person that holds it.  
			There exists no universal measure with which we 
			can compare ideas and accurately determine their worth, ideas and 
			their value are of a subjective nature, changing just as quickly as 
			a man changes his mind.
 This might seem rather obvious when we take the time to reminisce 
			about ideas that we once held in such high regard.
 
				
				As a child you undoubtedly thought it was a 
				good idea to stay up late, watch television and eat copious 
				amounts of candy. These ideas, at the time, were of great worth 
				to you; they were regarded very highly.
 Yet, we all grow older and these ideas that we once held in high 
				regard are often eclipsed by our changing attitudes.
 
			Political alliances, attitudes about love, as 
			well as commitment to a career are all aspects of ourselves that 
			undoubtedly change over the course of our lives.  
			  
			And in this way we witness the subjectivity of 
			knowledge, the ever changing landscape of truth. 
				
				"No intelligent man believes that anybody 
				ever willingly errs or willingly does base and evil deeds; they 
				are well aware that all who do base and evil things to them 
				unwillingly." 
				Plato (Protagoras) 
			There are some rather important implications to 
			this idea of relativism.  
				
				If knowledge and truth are subjective, then 
				that would seem to suggest that ethical and moral behavior is 
				also relative... 
			And Protagoras again took this leap.
			 
			  
			The philosopher believed that nothing was 
			inherently good or bad.  
				
				Something is only ethical or right 
				if a person or society judges it to be so.    
				Actions such as murder, theft, 
				even rape are immoral actions simply because our society 
				judges it to be so.    
				And if we take the time to deeply consider 
				this idea, we are cast into a very dark place 
				where all good and evil becomes equally 
				accessible, morally defensible if you have the right, or wrong, 
				mindset. 
			Socrates spent much of his life navigating 
			the philosophical terrain of objective ethical notions.
			 
			  
			To Socrates, ideas such as justice 
			and virtue were not just passing considerations that 
			were reconfigured to meet one's preference. They were ideals that 
			existed eternally and without question or compromise.  
			  
			Socrates sought to find these answers throughout 
			his life. And certainly there are some valid arguments against 
			Protagoras' ideas.
 For instance,
 
				
				mathematical properties should exist 
				eternally, regardless of the ideas of man.    
				Protagoras dismisses this, concluding that 
				mathematical principles do not necessarily exist in nature and 
				are therefore abstract ideas which need not concern us. 
				 
			I can only assume that Pythagoras promptly 
			rolled over in his grave.
 The confrontation between the philosophical ideas of Protagoras 
			and Socrates came to a head in Plato's
			
			Protagoras,
 
				
				a dialogue where Socrates and Protagoras, now 
				an old man, face each other to discuss the nature of virtue.
				   
				Protagoras, true to form, makes a very long, 
				very dramatic speech where he recounts the creation of man by 
				Prometheus.
 Protagoras takes the stance that virtue can be taught, and that 
				the Sophists are doing a public service by educating the youth.
   
				Socrates, of course, engages in a debate with 
				short, precise questions that he hopes will prove his own point.
				   
				The two philosophers eventually concede to 
				each other, complementing each other on their wisdom.
				 
			Yet, it would appear that Protagoras has won in a 
			subtle way... 
			  
			Each man still holds different truths that are 
			validated by their own beliefs.
 When Protagoras states that "man is the measure of all things" he 
			concludes that all knowledge, virtue, or wisdom 
			is determined by the the man or society that holds those beliefs.
 
				
				On a warm summer day in Athens, a man from 
				Sweden will visit and comment that the climate is hot. 
				   
				A man from Egypt will visit and comment that 
				it is so cold.    
				And yet, both of them are right.  
			This type of thinking was common within the legal 
			and political system of ancient Greece. 
				
				Our modern legal system similarly deals in 
				compromise, exceptions and reasonable doubts.    
				There are no absolutes.  
			The conclusion that Protagoras, as well as the 
			Sophists, drew was that there is nothing that is either right or 
			wrong, but thinking it will make it so.  
			  
			There exists only man and the judgments that we 
			cast on ourselves...
 
			  
			 
			
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