BILL RYAN (BR): This is Bill Ryan here from Project Camelot and
Project Avalon. It's the 20th of February, 2010, and it's my great
privilege to be meeting again with Klaus Dona. In this video
presentation it’s going to be an interview with a difference because
I'm going to do very little talking indeed, maybe none at all!
Klaus is going to be doing an audio commentary on one of his
extremely special, unusual, and fascinating slide shows about the
artifacts and the various phenomena that he has been researching,
discovering, investigating personally all over the world relating to
what I think you could legitimately call The Hidden History of the
Would you say that that's a good summary, Klaus?
KLAUS DONA (KD): That's a very good summary, yes.
BR: [laughs] So I'm going to step back here, and what follows now,
just kick back and enjoy this slide presentation. Klaus is going to
take you through his own journey… you can accompany him on his own
journey through his own discoveries. And take it away, Klaus.
What are we looking at here ? I can see an array of pyramids. What's
KD: The significance is that you can find
pyramids all over the
world on each continent. The question is when and who did build
those pyramids? Why many of those pyramids all over the world are
looking very, very similar?
Another question is did there really exist a global
think many of our researches are really telling us that once upon a
long time, a global civilization existed, but how many thousands of
years ago we don't know.
Most of the audience of Project Camelot may know about the story of
one stone pyramid building found in 1984, 25 meters under the sea
level in Japan on the
island of Yonaguni, which is the
[most southerly] Japanese island belonging to the Ryukyu Island
There is still a struggling of some international archaeologists who
are saying that these monuments were done by Nature.
But my friend,
Professor Masaaki Kimura, did several years since then, researches
not only on this monument, but also he found several others close
by. On the right side down you have a model.
And one thing Nature is definitely not doing… on top of two
platforms of this monument, there is one huge stone turtle and one
huge stone bird - like an eagle. Nature is doing many things, but
not such a precise, perfect monument.
And the question is where are all the stones? If Nature would have
done it... broken down… where are those stones? There are also
streets and there was also found a stone stadium like a Roman
Coliseum with stone seat rows and stone stairs.
Nature is great, is
doing many, many great things, but not such perfect buildings.
Here you have one street with stairs going up.
Here again, a very close-up picture just to recognize the size of
this huge monument.
Ancient World Maps
Here you can see some
ancient world maps.
On the top, on the right side
[enlarged, right] you can see
the Piri Reis map which was used
already long time before
Christopher Columbus came to America and
you can see how perfect this map was already in the beginning of the
16th century, showing part of Europe, of Spain, Portugal, part of
Western Africa and also part of South America. We do not know until
now [even now] who was able to make such a perfect map already
On the rest of the Piri Reis map, which we do not show on this
picture, you can also see the Antarctic without ice. In 1956
researchers found out that the Earth under the ice mass at the
Antarctic is exactly like the Piri Reis map was showing, so this
Piri Reis map should be at least older than 10- to- 12,000 years.
But the next question would be: Who was able to make such a
wonderful world map?
You see Atlantis done by Althanasius Kircher and the map is the other way round. He did it
the other way round, and you can see the continent between Europe,
Africa, and also America.
You can see different sides of a huge stone world
This stone world map was found in 1984 while gold digging in Ecuador in an underground tunnel system
de Los Tayos?...) with other 350 artifacts which do
not really fit any known and existing South American pre-Columbian
On this stone map is a natural quartz line, a white one.
is the front side of the world stone map, and you can see
approximately in the Near East, close to Saudi Arabia. You can see
an inlay as an eye and from this eye to the right and to the left is
a natural quartz line going on the right side over India, Thailand.
And also there is a long island on the right side which Professor
Kimura's research gave him the statement that from the northeast
[northernmost] Japanese island until far down after Taiwan, once
there existed a huge continent… but then this world map must be
older than at least 10- to- 12,000 years.
Here is the back side and you can see on the right side coming the
quartz line passing in the Atlantic a continent, Atlantis, which in
our days does not exist anymore.
Then the white line is crossing
part of South America.
Here you have a close-up and you can exactly see the Bay of
Guayaquil an inlay going up to North and a round inlay showing
exactly the place where there were found those artifacts.
is also the best quality water worldwide existing.
One other very interesting artifact found on the same place in
Ecuador is the so-called Pyramid with the Eye.
The eye is an inlay.
The stone is grey and white and you have thirteen steps. It looks
exactly like the Pyramid with the Shining Eye on
the One US Dollar.
If you put this pyramid under black light, the eye is shining very
strongly and it looks really like an eye, but not really like a
human eye. Here you have a close-up of the eye and you can see the
colors of the inlay.
On the bottom of this pyramid, you have the inlay in little gold
plates showing the Orion star constellation, and you have unknown
The translation of Professor Kurt Schildmann, who was the President
of the German Linguistic Association and he was perfect in more than
forty languages… he was able to translate this writing. He called it
pre-Sanskrit because it is older than the oldest writing.
translation of these four letters you can see here, his translation
"The son of the creator comes."
We've found the same writing on stones in certain countries like
Ecuador, Colombia, Illinois (United States); Glozel, France; Malta
in the Mediterranean; Turkmenistan, Australia, and in Southern
Calabria, Italy just a few years ago.
Always there are stones and
ceramics - terracotta - with the same writing.
That means this writing existed once worldwide, and that means there
must have been a global civilization older than Sanskrit, older than
Professor Schildmann also told me that this writing has
a little similarity to the Indus writing and also to the
Island writing. As he said, this is older than Sanskrit.
this writing pre-Sanskrit.
On this stone you can see on the top the two eyes and then you see
the right hand holding the pyramid and putting the left hand on top
of the pyramid.
That means showing how to use this
Pyramid with the
On this stone above you can see an encarving:
sitting, a man on a stone
holding the pyramid exactly as it was shown on the artifact before.
From his eyes are going rays out and on the right side you see two
bowed persons. On his head he has something like a small helmet and
from this helmet goes up like an antenna to a strange object over
And here you have the photo of the discovered helmet.
We could not
yet make a metal research or checking what kind of metal was used,
but you can see in the centre of the helmet that something is
missing and that might have been this kind of antenna which was
shown on the artifact before.
Another very strange finding from the same place is one big jade cup
and twelve little jade cups.
As the twelve cups are man-made, and
each one is a little bit different in size, if you fill them up
perfectly with water and you put the twelve cups of water inside the
big cup, the big cup is completely filled.
The next strange thing is that you can see on the little cups
numbers which are looking like the Mayan numbers, but if you compare
them with the Mayan numbers, you find out that there are some little
And on the big cup you can see a perfect inlaid star constellation
also showing the
Orion and other stars. And inside the big cup it is
very, very magnetic and outside the cup nearly nothing.
geologists are saying this is impossible because if a stone has
metal particles inside the stone, it must be same magnetic from both
Here above you have a close-up of the big cup and you can see a perfect
inlay of star constellations and they are shining very brightly if
you put black light on it.
Here you have some small cups that you can figure out more clearly
the style of the numbers inlaid in a strange material also shining
under black light.
Another piece, a jade plate with the same star constellation
inlay like on the big cup and two persons facing the sky.
And on the
next picture [right] you can see that also the eyes of these two
statues and the star constellation is shining very strongly under
This was once a hard-formed brown stone, changing the
color in the
centre of the stone into black, which usually in nature does not
You can see... if you look very close you can see a face
with closed eyes, with a mouth, the nose, a long beard and long
hair. On the left side, the face, and also the stone, is broken.
This is the reverse side of this stone. You can see a spiral and a
The centre of the triangle is very magnetic, also shining
under black light.
Here above we have the backside of a cobra.
The cobra never existed in
South America, but this one was found at the same place.
On this above image of the cobra head, [left] you have 33 lines in length,
so 33 is also a very mystical number since long, long time.
the left side and right side you have seven points inlaid and maybe
these are the chakras. Also this cobra head is shining brightly if
you put black light on it [right].
Here you have a perfect worked dolphin head, and
also this artifact is shining under black light.
Here above you have a kind of stone helmet.
You can put this
granite stone helmet on your shoulders or you can lay your head
And the inlay points which you see on this helmet, some
experts told me that these points are exactly the acupuncture points
on the human head. Here you can see how it might have been
A few months ago they found at the same place an unfinished stone
So that means that also some of these artifacts were
made directly in Ecuador, but many, many years ago. And also the
inlay on this object are shining under black light very bright.
This is a fantastic jade snake
And also the inlay points are
shining under black light.
Here below we have one artifact which is very perfectly carved on
the back side, so that means it might have been used to put this
artifact on the front of your forehead. You can see the two eyes
And on the reverse side [below right] you have the so-called third
Maybe this artifact was used for some ceremonies or for
Here below we have a jade plate with an inlay of a spiral, also
shining brightly under black light. Another one [below right]. You can see
seven rings inlaid in the jade plate, and also shining under black
Maybe this also could be a representation of the seven
Here is one of the ceramics found there.
It's a great masterpiece
and the question is how can you make this artifact out of one piece
Here we have another pyramidal stone found also in Ecuador.
you see the pyramid with the eye and you have, down, several spirals
Some of them are very similar to
the Churchward Naacal
plates, which he found in 1880 in India and the translation was
talking about the sunken
continent of Mu.
This is a marble with another inlay of a spiral, also shining very
brightly under black light.
Another stone above in a pyramidal form with an inlay of an eye.
Here [above right] you can see again the pyramid with the eye and on the
bottom you see the Orion star constellation, the three Orion stars,
which might focus us to the three pyramids in Egypt.
Here above you have a ceramic statue.
You can see the style of
sitting is not real pre-Columbian style. It looks like the Lotus
seat from Asia. On top of this statue you have a hat with some
points and it looks quite similar to many of the Buddha
presentations. He holds a snake in his mouth. The snake is a very,
very mystical and very often-presented object, so that means this
statue is not from any existing or known pre-Columbian culture.
Even the next one, [right, above] you can see how this statue is
sitting. It looks more the direction of Asia. On top of his head,
again, a very strange hat. And in the centre you can see like the
head of a frog.
Also the frog is a very mystical animal in old South
American pre-Columbian culture, but also in Africa and also in Asia.
Here above another ceramic statue holding a kind of plate in his
left hand and it looks also not really pre-Columbian culture. This
is another very strange artifact [right] holding a stick with a
Again we have the snake here, and the question is, where and
who this statue was done?
This is a photo of the Altiplano in Bolivia.
researchers found out that at least before 4,000 years there was
happened a very big impact in Argentina and the shockwave of this
big impact destroyed many stone buildings in the Altiplano of
You have here a picture of Puma Punku, a very strange place close to
Tiahuanaco in Bolivia, and you see tons of stone plates with perfect
work on it, destroyed.
Maybe this was the reaction to the big impact
Here below you have my friend Giancarlo Bonfanti, Italian
researcher, in the centre of the so-called Sun Gate in Tiahuanaco in
Some researchers write that the figurines on top of this
side of the Sun Gate [right] are showing the Venus calendar.
Here you have one of the big stone plates from Puma Punku and you
can see how perfect this stonework was done (below).
The question is, could
you do such perfect work with simple tools?
Close to this area they found skeletons with a size of 2.6
The picture on the top [left] shows you the skull of one of these
skeletons and it looks like it is deformed. But definitely these
skulls are not deformed, they are
naturally styled like an egg.
In this photo [top right] you see how strong the jaw of those skulls
This is the front view. [bottom right]
And the most interesting photo is this one because you can see that
the top of the skull does not have the three plates which we have as
That shows us that these skeletons are not Homo
sapiens. What we might be able is doing a DNA check and an age
dating on these skeletons because we are very much wondering what
kind of humans did exist long time ago, and how long ago.
In the next pictures I’ll show you some artifacts found close by the
real giants. When I first time got this mask in my hands, I
tried to look through the two eyes.
At that time I didn't know that
they were belonging to 2.6-metre skeletons, I was just wondering why
did they make masks where you can only look out from one eye?
after knowing that those people were over 2.5 meters, I could
imagine that their skull was of course bigger than our skull and
that's why these masks were, for us, oversized.
That's another mask from Bolivia. Another one [center] with
very wonderful encarving, many spirals and many symbols, which we
also found in many other cultures.
This is a very heavy stone figurine, and again here you can see on
the top a head of a snake going down on this backside.
This is the reverse side (above).
You can see again the snake, so that means
the snake must have been a very, very important animal in the past
of our history.
Here above you can see a stone flute.
The strange thing is that the
vibration of the sound of these stone flutes is exactly the same as
our brainwaves. So that means maybe those flutes were used for
meditation or for healing purposes.
And each two holes are connected
perfectly with each other. That means you can make perfect holes
into this very, very hard stone, but how you connect, with simple
tools, the two holes on the bottom?
This would be even in our days a
very difficult work to do.
BR: Because it's in the shape of a "U" and it curves round inside
KD: That's right, and with simple tools you are definitely not able
to do such a work; and even the holes are very precise.
This [above left] is the form of a boat and you have three flute pipes at
Here [above right] you can see how perfectly they were made.
This is another flute, very small.
You can use it only with very
soft blowing and the sound is like the sound of the dolphins.
This is an artifact where we do not have any idea for what purpose
it was used.
Now we are in Colombia. On the next few photos, I show you very
strange artifacts from Colombia in South America.
The most famous industrial designer and architect in Colombia,
Professor Jaime Gutierrez, is collecting strange artifacts from his
country already since centuries.
His most important piece is the so-called
Genetic Disc. Here you can
see a disc made out of
lydite, a very hard stone. It's nearly the
same hardness as granite, but the structure of lydite is like
leaves, so it would be quite impossible to make the same disc in our
days out of the same material.
The diameter of this disc - we call it the Genetic Disc
- is about
27 centimeters. On this disc you have several things presented which usually you can only see with a microscope.
For example, on the left side around 11 o'clock you can see one egg,
human egg without and another with spermia.
On the right side at
approximately one o'clock you can see some spermias. And then you
have several very strange presentations which we could not explain.
But here, on the left side, you have a microscopic photo from the
inside of a lady done by a Swedish photographer and you can see that
the egg without and with spermia looks exactly like the presentation
on this Genetic Disc.
On the reverse side you have, on top, several presentations of
fetus in different size, different age, ending up with… looks like
a little child. You see also, at the end of the plate at around six
o'clock, female and male. And also on the right side around nine
o'clock you can see the presentation of man, woman, and child.
the strange thing is how they present those human-like heads.
Here below you can see a knife done by the same material, lydite.
of the knife on the handle, you have mother's head, beyond you have
the child's head, and the umbilical cord is going around the neck of
So that means this knife would have been used to cut the
umbilical cord, saving the child's life.
This is a close-up: mother, child, and umbilical cord.
This is an instrument.
It might have been used for helping the child
coming out, leaving the mother, when there were some complications.
It is also made out of the same material, lydite.
You have here [center] the vagina and the child's head coming out.
And on the reverse side [right], you can put only your thumb inside.
That means you can only use this instrument with your fingers - meaning you cannot use power.
So that means it might be safer
helping the child leaving the mother than our instruments we are
using in our days because sometimes the modern instruments, while
being used, can damage the child's head.
This we think is a medical instrument [left]. It is also lydite, and
it's a perfect form.
Another one, and these are other ones [above center].
They are very much
smaller than shown on this photo. When we did the material check in
Vienna, the most-expert worldwide checked those pieces. First of all
the material: each one is done with lydite.
And the form itself, he checked them and finally he said:
tell you how they were done, who did they make.
But the only thing I
can definitely tell you… from the same material in our days, we
cannot make the same instruments.
So, how old they are, we do not know.
As they were found in Colombia
and they do not fit any existing pre-Columbian culture, we must
consider that those artifacts are at least older than 6,000 years,
but we cannot explain what kind of technology they did use to be
able to make such instruments and such tools made with lydite.
You can see, each piece fits exactly every kind of hand, never mind
how big the size of the hand was.
Each instrument, each tool, fits
exactly each hand which was using those instruments.
This, in joking, I call it The Dentist's Chair… perfectly done, but
again same material: lydite.
And the strange question is why, if
they could make such perfect figurines out of this very difficult
material, why did they show the human face always with big round
eyes and a little nose and a big mouth? (Greys?)
There's no real explanation
This face [left] looks a little bit like the Moai, the big stone
statues from Easter Island.
Here [above right] you have a close-up.
This is again one piece from Colombia, lydite.
On the front side you
see the mother holding the baby, and on the backside you see the man
with armors, most probably for hunting.
This above stone figurine was found in Colombia.
It looks exactly like the Moai statues from
Easter Island, but is only about 30 centimeters in
This is another masterpiece of stonework.
You have on both sides
presented one bird, but if you look at the front side [left] you can
see that the two birds presenting a face. And on the left side
[right], between the bird's head and the wings, you see again his
unknown writing which we've found on stones from all over the world.
This is the mother holding a child, very strange face, and it's a
kind of jade material.
This is another stone from Colombia showing an armadillo.
On top of
the armadillo, you can see a strange face with long ears and two
horns on top.
On this artifact you can see a smiling face on top.
You have two
triangles on this side [left] and on the other side, on the right
side, [right] you have a face. Again the animal face on the right
side and some unknown symbols.
And on the bottom of this object you see an animal… looks like a
- West Africa
Now we are moving to Guinea, West Africa, very close to the border
They found on a huge granite mountain, the half-portrait of a lady
done in granite stone. The size of this statue from top of the head
until the middle of the torso is exactly 150 meters.
So this is a
real big question:
Who might have been able to do such a huge
granite half-portrait in a mountain at least 10- to- 12,000 years
The Italian geologist, Professor Pitoni, was on the spot. He did
He checked the earth on the bottom of this mountain
and his calculation was that this stone monument must have been done
at least 10- to- 12,000 years ago. But then we have the real big
question: Who could have been able to do such a big stone monument?
Even in our days it would be impossible, or it would cost so much
money that it would never be able to do.
And if you look at the close-up of the face, some experts told me
that this face definitely is not European, but also of course not
black African. It must be either South American or Asian culture.
But then again, we are at the point 10- to- 12,000 years ago. I
might be the civilization, the lost civilization, from
Close to this area in Sierra Leone, Professor Pitoni was in charge
of diamond excavations. And as he heard, in this area a legend about
Allah was angry with some angels and he put them into stone and
throw them to the Earth.
He put the sky... also made it into stone
and threw it to the Earth.
And he put the stars and threw them to
The legend says that the sky, you can see in this stone
- they call
them Sky Stones, sky-blue stones found in this area under the earth.
We did research in Vienna… this is definitely artificial stone, it's
not a natural stone, and other material could be found.
But the only
thing they could not inform us is what kind of color did they use
to get this real sky-blue color.
The stone figurines found from 20
meters down to even 50 meters.
Professor Pitoni always took some organic material from the finding
place and the age-dating of those stone artifacts are from 2,500
years up to the oldest one, 17,000 years.
Here [bottom right] you
have a granite stone, so-called
Nomoli, with very nice encarving.
There you have a man sitting on an elephant, as there are also the
legends of giants all over Africa.
You know how big is an elephant!
It's a wonderful stonework; it's very hard and very heavy.
There are also some artifacts showing half-human, or human, with the
head of a reptile holding a kind of pot in their hand and they could
put something inside this pot.
And also on top of several Nomolis
there is a hole for putting something inside, and most probably they
were used for ceremonies.
Here you have a kind of animal… it looks like a dinosaur. When
Professor Pitoni found this statue, it was making a strange noise,
so he opened the statue and they found inside a small black ball.
You can see on the bottom of the statue [above right] and this was
When we did the research on this artifact and especially on this
metal ball, next morning the Professor called me and told me that
somebody must have done a bad joke to me.
I asked: Why?
result of the research was this metal material is chrome steel and
chrome steel was found first time at the beginning of the 20th
century in Austria. That means it was impossible inside a statue
with the age of approximately 17,000 years!
But when I called immediately Professor Pitoni he was laughing and
I am a geologist. If a statue is making a strange sound, I
do not open it just right away but I did several X-rays.
You can see here on the right picture [above] one of the X-ray
photos and you see that inside the closed statue already the round
ball, the chrome steel ball was existing.
In this X-ray photo you can see exactly.
And also Professor Pitoni
saw that this stone statue, in former days, already was opened, but
perfectly closed again.
He called a specialist who opened it exactly
concerning this photo, the small stone ball which was closing the
hole inside, and you can see that the metal ball was already
Some of you might have watched several pictures, photos, on the
Giants, giant skeletons found in [the] desert in India,
in China and other places.
Most of those photos were competition
photos to present Photoshop… perfectly done. I also was quite
impressed when I received first time one of those photos...
But these photos I’m showing you now, they are definitely not coming
out from a Photoshop competition. These photos are real skulls and
This skull was found into a tunnel system underground in Colombia.
The skull is dated up to 11,000 years. The skull is bigger than a
normal skull and the front teeth of the jaw are lined up in a
different way than our teeth.
BR: Something that occurs to me here is that there's a very strong
pronounced jaw. It's a very prominent jaw-line, a very prominent
And here you see a photograph that was shown to us by a Project
Now, this isn't a real photograph; this is a scene
from the old Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, Conan the Barbarian. What
you’re seeing here is a special effect on the actor James Earl
The critical thing here is the shape of the jaw-line.
Our witness, who had spent time with
Anunnaki in real time in
the present day, said that one of the things that characterizes them
besides their size - which he says was eight or nine feet tall. He
said they’re very large and they’re very strong and they look larger
than that. But that’s round about their height, which matches
exactly the 2.6 meters that Klaus has been talking about.
there was a very prominent strong jaw-line, and this is what strikes
me about these skeletons, these skulls here that we're looking at
KD: I didn't know that...
BR: No, you need to know this!... Back to Klaus…
KD: So once again, here you have a very old photo done in a museum
in La Valletta in
It shows several long skulls and the
explanation is "deformed skulls", but they are very long going to
This is one of several very,
very strange skulls.
They are presented in a small museum in Ica in Peru.
Ica is located
close to the famous
Nazca Lines and the museum is called
Reiche, the German lady who was researching her whole life about the
And in this museum you can see the most strange skulls
I ever saw, all found in this area close to the Nazca Lines.
What kind of humans were living there and how did they
get those skull forms?
And especially this one above.
Definitely several doctors and experts told
me it would not be possible to create such a kind of deformation,
because through deformation you do not get the double bone material
on the skull.
And on this skull, even you have particles of the skin
and hairs, and I think it would not be difficult to do an
age-dating, and especially a DNA analysis, of this skull.
In this picture I show you some legendary skeleton forms of giants.
In the year of 1964, in the south of Ecuador, in the province Loja,
there broke down a part of a mountain platform and Father Carlos Vaca, who was working as a priest in hospitals, he was called to
this place and he found the broken bones of a giant.
Well, Klaus, I asked if you would take us on a journey,
and for the last nearly an hour, I think it is, you've taken us on a
fascinating journey, not only round the world but through time back
as long ago as 17,000 years!
It's a real reminder of how little we know about what our history
really is. These are important pieces of an important puzzle and
you're doing an enormous amount to raise peoples’ awareness of what
it is that we're not shown in many museums, what it is that we don't
read in anthropological textbooks, and what it is that many
university professors still refuse to recognize.
Thank you so much for your part in helping to raise our own
understanding of our history on planet Earth.
Klaus, thank you.