Please tell us a little bit about yourself Ė as much as you feel
Iím a current employee of one of the three letter agencies [he
plays a little word game with us until we guess the right
agency, which he then confirms]. Iím probably taking quite a
risk by speaking to you like this, though I don't intend to
reveal any information that in my judgment is both classified
and specific to national security. Iíve been involved in many
projects with many different agencies over many years.
To jump right in at the deep end, I believe I was a walk-in
around eighth grade. I have memories of coming from another
planet, and these are all mixed up, all mingled with human
boyhood memories. It's very weird, and hard to explain what it
feels like. Iíve never had any problems intuitively accessing
complex scientific information and I've often found myself
understanding complex systems with no detailed briefing or
training. I work essentially with systems. I don't mean to be
arrogant, but I do know a great deal of advanced information,
scientific and otherwise. I just seem to know it.
I canít say
more than that right now.
Can you give even any clues about which agency you work for?
No, not on public record. I just can't afford that.
What information do you feel you have thatís important for the
world to know?
Thereís so much that itís hard to know where to start.
I knew about
9/11 two years before the event, for instance. Not
in specific terms, but certainly in general ones. It was talked
about, an event like that, something that would change the game,
I know that thereís a planned war between the US and China
scheduled for late 2008. This is also geopolitical and not
concerned with Black Ops as such. These were both just events
that I got to hear about in passing. I have no detailed
information about them.
You mean that China and the US are working together to stage a
The Pentagon started the planning in 1998. You have to
understand that China and the US are hand in glove with
everything. This war is a joint op between the US and China.
Most wars are set up that way and have been for a while.
You want something else thatís just unpleasant to hear? I also
heard from someone who was serving in a unit that worked with
missiles deployed for testing in the Pacific and the Far East.
The missiles were shipped to the test location in very tightly
sealed containers, very secure, hermetically sealed. After the
tests, the container would be shipped back, sealed the same way,
but empty, supposedly empty. On one occasion, this guy was
present when a container was opened. It wasn't empty.
filled with bags of white powder.
I leave you to draw your own conclusions. I doubt it was sugar.
Let me just say that, hypothetically speaking, and let just me
say that to protect myself, if such a plan was in operation, it
makes perfect logistical sense as itís a totally secure way to
get around all security, customs, international boundaries and
ports, and all those checks.
Itís perfect, like the way guns and
ammunition used to cross borders in diplomatic bags going
between consulates. This happens all the time.
Would you call yourself a physicist?
Yes. I cover other specialties as well, but yes, Iím a
physicist. And I specialize in systems. Livermore is a good
place to be, everyone's very professional there. They donít, you
know, they donít play games there.
What can you say about the current state of physics in the
Itís dozens of years ahead of mainstream physics which is
published in journals in the public domain. There are projects
dealing with subjects beyond the belief or experience, beyond
the imagination, of many public domain physicists.
Can you give us any examples?
There's a project called
Shiva Nova at Livermore which uses
arrays of giant lasers. These are huge lasers, huge capacitors,
many terawatts of energy, in a building built on giant springs
[extends his arms to show the size], all focused on a tiny tiny
point. This creates a fusion reaction which replicates certain
conditions for nuclear weapons testing. Itís like a nuke test in
lab conditions, and there's very powerful data collection
focused on that point where all the energy is focused.
The problem is that all extremely high-energy events like this
create rips in the fabric of space-time. This was observed back
in the early Hiroshima and Nagasaki events, and you can even see
it in the old movies. Look for what looks like an expanding
energy sphere, and I can send you a link to show you. The
problem with creating rips in space-time, whether they're big or
little, is that things get in that you donít want to be there.
Things get in?
Things get in. Things that we all know about that are discussed
on the net a lot. Beings, and influences, and all kinds of weird
stuff, and I can tell you theyíve created big problems.
What kind of problems?
The problem of their presence and then what happens next. The
other problem is that if youíre creating rips in space-time
youíre messing with time itself, whether you mean to or not.
There have been attempts to fix that, and it all results in a
complicated overlay of time loops. Some ETs are trying to help,
and others, others are not.
When predicting futures, we can only
talk about probable and possible futures. This is all extremely
complex and very highly classified. Basically, itís just a huge
mess. We've opened Pandoraís Box, starting with the Manhattan
Project, and we haven't yet found a way to deal with the
The problem of multiple timelines sounds like the information
reported by Dan Burisch... can you comment on that?
I donít know about any of that.
OK. Weíll send you the links so that you can see the interviews.
But what youíre saying also corroborates the information
reported by "Mr X" on the Camelot website. Have you seen or read
No, what does he say?
"Mr X" is an archivist who for a six-month period had the
opportunity to work with classified documents, films, photos and
artifacts back in the mid-80s when he was working on a special
project with a defense contractor. He says that he read that the
principal reason for the ETs' interest in us was because of
nuclear testing and the general threat of nuclear weapons.
That sounds about right. Except only one or two ET groups are
concerned about nuclear weapons, not all of them.
OK. What else can you tell us about the timeline problem?
Just that itís unresolved. The risk is, you see, that each time
we try to fix it, it adds to the problem. It just gets worse all
Are the aliens Ė or some of the aliens Ė time travelers? Dan
Burisch states this.
Do you know about
the Montauk Project?
That caused a huge problem, and generated a... created a 40-year
I donít know about
Al Bielek. I believe some of his information
is suspect. But something like that definitely did happen,
Philadelphia Experiment, too. John Neumann was very involved in
all of that.
Tesla, and Einstein?
Donít know. But Neumann... [nods head]
Montauk was real?
Yes. That was a real mess.
They created a time split weíre still
unable to mend. Now, understand this also relates to Project
Rainbow, the StargatesÖ they were also working on that there.
But some of the Montauk reports on the net are unconvincing to
me. Iíve seen some of the photos of the equipment theyíre
supposed to have used, and itís junk, just a pile of junk.
[Bill] Iíve always had a problem with the idea of time portals
because I donít see how or why theyíd stay with the planet at a
certain location as it moves through space. If a portal was
created in spacetime, youíd expect it to be left behind
somewhere very quickly as the earth rotates, and moves round in
its orbit, and the solar system itself is orbiting the galaxy in
a huge cycle. I mean, everythingís in motion, all the time, and
this is well known.
Can you explain this?
No, I canít... but I know what you mean, and the portals do stay
in specific locations, kind of anchored to this planet. That
does happen that way. Why they donít get left behind or just
kind of float off somewhere, I have no idea. Maybe theyíre
gravitationally anchored in some way. Your guess is as good as
One of the portals connects to Mars, and itís a stable
connection, no matter where Earth and Mars are in their orbits.
We have a base there established in the early sixties. Actually,
we have a number of bases.
So weíve explored Mars already.
Sure, a long time ago. Have you seen
That had some truth to it.
The Mars landing video was all a
spoof, and other parts of it were as well, but thereís truth
What else do you know as a physicist working on these projects?
OK. This may interest you if you have a physics background. You
know what signal non-locality is, right? When two particles in
different parts of the universe can apparently communicate with
each other simultaneously, no matter what the distance.
Communications devices have been made for communicating across
vast distances and also locally using a methodology thatís
impossible to eavesdrop on, because there's nothing traveling
between the two devices that can be intercepted. Itís impossible
to crack or code-break or eavesdrop because no signal travels
anywhere, so thereís no signal to be intercepted or decoded. It
just doesnít work like that.
The beauty of it is that the devices are actually so simple to
build. You can create two chaotic circuits, on a couple of small
breadboards using cheap components which anyone can buy, and
they communicate with each other in this way. You can build
these if you know how.
Are there any other applications besides communication?
What else can you tell us about this?
Thatís it. Oh, I should say that I didnít realize at first that
you were also the guy who created
the Serpo website. Let me just
say that it wasnít called by that name. And I doubt that the
travel took nine months. That's not how they traveled there.
Oh, you mean the travel was instantaneous?
I donít think they traveled the way they say they did on the Serpo website. Maybe there were other programs. There may have
been many. But travel across large distances is best done using
portals. Anything else is really... it's just inefficient.
You mean they used
I guess you could call them that, yes.
I also suspect the system isnít
Zeta Reticuli. It sounds to me
Alpha Centauri. I think you mentioned this on the site.
Do you have a reason for saying that?
Well, Zeta 1 and 2 are a long way apart from one another. Alpha
Centauri and Proxima Centauri are close together. Alpha Centauri
has a solar system very much like ours, but it's older. The
planets are in stable orbits. There are three inhabited planets,
the second, third and fourth. No, wait, the fifth, I think.
Second, third and fifth.
Thatís astonishingÖ you knew this professionally? I mean, you
came across this in the course of your work?
Yes. This is known. Itís comparatively easy to get there, less
than five light years away, and thatís, you know, it's right
next door to us. TheÖ peopleÖ there are very human-like. They're
not Grays, theyíre like us. The human form is very common in the
[Bill] Is one of the planets desert-like? Thatís what I saw in
the photo I described. Two setting suns, over a desert
landscape. It really blew me away.
[See this article on
Yes, it is. A desert planet.
Are you familiar with
Project Looking Glass?
That sounds kind of familiar...
It was a kind of technology that Dan Burisch told us about that
involved seeing into the future. Were you involved with it?
OK, that technology wasn't developed by us. We were given it, or
it was taken from a craft we acquired. I didn't work on that.
We heard they have a man-made Stargate as Los Alamos. Are you
familiar with that?
[looks at us without answering, slight enigmatic smile]
What can you tell us about Los Alamos?
Los Alamos website I'll send you, and then you can
search there under ďgravity shieldingĒ and things like that.
Itís all there.
Now, it may have been an error that itís in the public domain.
You might want to advise people to archive the pages they find
there before theyíre taken off the web once this gets out, if it
does. But right now you can see it with your own eyes.
Itís hard to know what else to say.
What can you tell us about
the ET presence?
Look up the movie
Wavelength. Itís based on a totally true
story. Have you seen it? It's based on an incident that took
place at Hunter Liggett. This is a hot one.
No. Whereís Hunter Liggett?
90 miles south-south-east of Monterey, California. My primary
station at the time was Fort Ord.
I was working there back in the early 70s, when I was in the
military, and I was working under CDCEC, which is Combat
Developments Command Experimentation Command. You can go look
We were doing testing of all kinds of devices, and we lived out
in the field there. We wore laser protection goggles a lot of
the time and we had our eyes dilated routinely to check our
retinas for burns. Some of the cattle in the fields even wore
modified goggles! This was the most bizarre sight you could ever
Well, one day something happened while we were testing. A disk
came into the area and it was hovering, it hovered right
directly in front of us, out in a field. So [pause] we shot the
****ing thing down.
You shot down a disk?
[shaking head] We should never have done it. It wasn't me
personally, but the group did. Between us we had all this gizmo
weaponry and I guess they panicked and thought they were in a
movie or something. The disk was disabled and it was captured,
and so were the occupants, and I saw these very briefly. They
were small child-like humanoids, with no hair. And they had
small eyes, not large almond-shaped eyes. I donít think anyone
knows about this. As far as I know itís not on the internet.
This is incredible. I've never heard of this incident.
Most of the other witnesses ended up in Vietnam and many were
killed. I may be the only living witness to what happened... I
The rest of the story is in a sci-fi movie called
which was released in the early '80s. Iíd never heard of it
until I ran into it years later, in Arizona. Did I just say
this? [laughs, for the first time]
When I saw the video, I was expecting some, you know, light
entertainment with a beer or two, but I mean, my mouth just hung
wide open. The beginning of the film just completely clearly and
accurately describes the incident, and the film is very close to
the rest of the story, including the use of an abandoned Nike
base in Southern California to store them.
Go find it. Itís all basically true. I was just amazed when I
saw it. The person who wrote it must have been there, or knew
someone who was there. But I donít know who.
I had a genuine alien photo once. I showed it to someone, a
woman, a very talented woman, who was a microbiologist working
for one of the agencies. It scared the s*** out of her. I
couldnít believe it. She just didnít want to deal with it at
all. And Iíd say that just suggests that the public, even
scientists arenít ready for this information to be released. And
this person was really smart. It didnít stop her from freaking
out, just not wanting to know. She was just, you know, totally
Do you still have the photo? Can we see it?
I donít know. I may still have it somewhere, and if I can find
it, Iíll forward it to you.
Can you describe it?
It showed a small being with dark skin, kind of black and
wrinkled. He was a sole survivor of an incident. But he died
shortly afterwards. He had a suit that was self-healing, ah...
self-repairing. It was a kind of fabric, or something, that
would actually repair itself. And he had an artifact with him
that was some kind of remote control device, and that was taken
away from him.
He was the survivor of a crash?
You know everything, don't you?
No, but you're giving us verification.
I mean, itís just so incredibly complicated. Itís so complex
itís possible that no one person has all the information. Most
of the agencies donít know what the other agencies know and
everything is heavily compartmentalized right up the wazoo.
No-one talks to anyone else about this stuff. Sometimes entire
projects are duplicated at the cost of God knows how many
billions because the existence of the other project is unknown,
itĎs kept from them. I mean, Iím a scientist, and scientists
sometimes have one arm tied behind their backs because they
can't communicate freely. In fact, they canít communicate at all
[laughs]. And there are dozens, hundreds of classified projects,
I mean major ones. Itís just a total mess.
Look, there are many groups of ETs, and besides our own
ancestors are mixed in there. There are time loops upon time
loops, and itís all a mess. Youíd need an IQ of 190 to figure it
Tell us about the time loops. By the way, can we ask you againÖ.
youíve not heard of Dan Burisch?
Not that I remember. It's not familiar to me.
We interviewed him last month. He was next to
John Lear on the
I did see your interview with John Lear, talking about the moon
photos and the way theyíre airbrushed. NASA does that all the
time. Heís quite a character, by the way. Iíd like to meet him
What few people know is that radar reports for the National
Weather Service are also airbrushed, so that certain radar
images arenít released. I donít mean airbrushed as in by hand.
The radar images are electronically filtered using software.
Some of these radar traces are huge. In addition, the weather
radar wonít record traces that are moving faster than a certain
high speed, a couple of thousand miles an hour. But there are
still traces which need to be removed.
Sure. Theyíre often optically invisible, but usually show up on
radar. Theyíre also visible in ultraviolet... I donít think this
is generally known by people.
So what can you tell us about the time loops?
Right. [long pause]
The situation with time loops is that there are a large number
of parallel timelines, lots of branches. There are no paradoxes.
[draws a diagram] If you go back in time and kill your
grandfather, thatís the
grandfather paradox everyone talks
about, thereís no paradox. When you go back and change the past,
it creates a different timeline, which is a new branch of the
On that timeline, youíd not be born and wouldnít
exist, so that aspect of the paradox is true. Do you see? But on
this timeline, which youíre on here and now, you do exist, and
continue to do so. Thereís no paradox. Itís simpleÖ do you see?
Youíre dealing with different branches of a kind of time tree.
No principles get violated. All future events are possibilities,
not certainties. Thatís kind of pretty important, an
That's really all I can say about
Do you know anything about
OK. Chemtrails were developed by Edward Teller and are basically
the seeding of thousands of tons of microparticles of aluminum
on the upper atmosphere to try to increase the albedo of the
planet, the reflectivity of the planet, because of global
warming. Now, gold microparticles, real gold, were
used once in
a similar situation on another planet, but I guess they had lots
of gold, and we used aluminum instead.
Global warming is partly
because of the greenhouse effect, and that certainly makes
things worse, but most of it is because of increased solar
Solar activity is the real problem.
Why isnít this information in the public domain? It seems like
people should know and would like to know, and thereís no
security risk if what you say is true.
Scientifically, itís just a total gamble. Not nearly enough is
understood. It may work, or maybe it won't. It could easily make
things worse. There may also be health side-effects, weather
side-effects, God knows what. It affects the whole planet and
here you have a unilateral, non-democratic decision, unconnected
with the political or democratic process, to launch a huge
technological special project that affects everyone on earth. If
thatís not controversial, I donít know what is. The solution is
to keep it secret. Itís the usual kneejerk solution, too.
Will it work?
I donít know.
Is this also connected with weather wars?
Yes, there are
weather wars. The Air Force will own the weather
within two years.
What else can you tell us?
The Report from Iron Mountain. Much of that is true. I was
working with a group down in [ ______ ]. They called us in and
passed out a report. The weird thing is that it wasnít even
connected with what we were working on, and it came just right
out of the blue, out of nowhere, and none of us were expecting
it. The guy said, and Iíll never forget it because it struck me
as just wrong: ďThere are the wolves and there are the sheep,
and we are the wolves.Ē Then they told us to go and read the
report, and that was that.
There wasnít any choice, and there still isnít. The way they see
it is there are too many people, and, you know, they're right.
That's true. So they figure they need to eliminate them and
they're planning solutions to this. I happen to think it doesnít
have to be that way. Apart from what Iíve mentioned so far about
the space-time problems, the problem is overpopulation. Itís as
simple as that.
programs to reduce global
population for everyoneís benefit. Believe it or not, the intent
there is positive. It was put together by Kennedy way back then.
The RAND Corporation was involved, and one of
I forget which one, probably Laurance, I think.
By killing people off?
Basically, yes. Artificial
viruses that have been deployed using
a number of means and are hard to detect or identify and nearly
impossible to cure. Medical people in the public domain can't
identify what's happening.
How do you feel about this personally?
Very mixed. [pause]
As an individual flesh-and-blood human being, Iím appalled. And
as a scientist trained to look at things from a high vantage
point, a high overview, I have to say that I can understand the
You have to understand that Iím not defending or condoning this.
Itís just a comment from an abstract scientific perspective. But
the problems we face on this planet are so huge that very few
people have the training or experience to view it all, to see it
all in the same field of vision.
My situation was different, and I got a chance to see a lot of
things because of the nature of my work. Most people donít see
it all. But I've worked with many agencies, and I have the big
Do you know that itís legal to test biological and chemical
agents against US citizens? Itís legal. You know, all that has
to be done is to get the approval of the mayor of the city, or
his equivalent in any area. Or some representative official.
No-one knows this, but it can be checked out. Go look it up.
Itís all carefully hidden away in the law somewhere, but itís
all in the public domain.
It's all there.
Youíve revealed a whole lot of extraordinary material here in
our conversation. Whatís the most important message youíd like
to leave people with?
Look, I donít want to shock anyone, but Iím not optimistic. The
problems facing us as a race on this planet are huge. I don't
believe most civilians are ready and able to comprehend and deal
with the sheer scale and complexity of it all. They have enough
trouble managing their everyday lives, and these problems are on
a completely different level. Overpopulation is really the
biggest issue. Everything else facing us is connected with this.
You see, I can understand the military taking matters into their
own hands. If there was full disclosure of all the problems, and
all the proposed solutions, do you really think it would help
any of us? I suggest the answer is probably not. It would just
complicate matters further.
But deep down I do feel that everyone should know these things,
or else I would not be talking with you. The essential message I
want to leave with is that I do actually hope and want to
believe that we as a people can handle all this, but sometimes I
wake up in the morning and doubt it, but deep down I want people
to know the important things that have been kept from us all.
But sometimes I do wonder.
You donít know what I haven't told