Maroochydore, Queensland, Australia

October 2008

from ProjectCamelot Website



When we were attending the October 2008 NEXUS conference in Australia, we had the great privilege of spending half an hour in the presence of the very famous Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull (click image right).

While doing so, we were able to record a short impromptu interview with its current custodian, Bill Homann.


We were able to film the skull at close range, and heard the fascinating stories of Dr. Ray Brown's Crystal Orb - of which we were shown a photograph - and a little-known major artifact, the whereabouts of which is known by Bill Homann, called the Crystal Boy.

There are a number of known crystal skulls in existence, but of these the Mitchell-Hedges skull is unique in its extraordinary craftsmanship. It has been studied by both scientists and psychics with no conclusive proof as to how old it is or even how it could possibly have been crafted from a single large crystal.


Many, including Bill Homann, believe it to be a relic from Atlantean times, and the story he tells of what occurred when it was reunited with the Crystal Orb (recovered from a cavity in an undersea pyramid in 1970) is highly intriguing.



-   Project Camelot: Bill Homann   -

Journeys with The Crystal Skull

from YouTube Website








Bill Homann and the Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull
Interview Transcript

Bill Homann: The technology, whoever made it, is something that really couldnít be recreated. And thereís so much in the Skull that the more you study it, the more unusual it is. So...

Kerry Cassidy: In what way do you think the technology is so special? Could you explain what you mean by that?

BH: Yeah. The technology. Well, the fact is...

KC: Could it be created today if you had a crystal this big?

BH: Well, the problem is the carving of the jaw, and thatís what is so exciting and messes up the scientists. The scientists want to come in. Theyíve made tests and they found they couldnít find any kind of tool marks or anything on the whole Skull.


But there were some around the jaw and the teeth. But when Dorland cracked the tooth when it was at Hewlett-Packard, he did restoration on it to repair it. So itís hard to say where the markings came from.

But the thing is... Even so, the thing that blows the scientistsí minds is... the fact is they canít figure out how the Skull was separated. And being separated, and with Hewlett-Packardís tests, the top half of the Skull and the jaw are the same piece of crystal.


BH: And that right there... how they can separate the two... the technology, even today, would be pretty much impossible. And the fact, is how they put prisms inside the Skull, how they put the lenses in there that work to the eye sockets. That would take zero gravity to try to do it today. And really I donít think we could really duplicate it in zero gravity.





So who did it, how they did it, thatís what makes the Skull so interesting. But the real thing about the Skull, what it is, is what you feel about it, you know. People pick up this energy, this specialness.

KC: Well crystals in general will give you energy. You can find amethyst with your hands. I get energy. The reason why Iím doing this ... I get energy with my hands. And I can feel vortexes.

BH: OK. Did you feel it outside?

KC: Yes, I did.

BH: Yeah. I mean itís not like it...

KC: Itís not like right here.

BH: The waves...

KC: Itís waves going out.

BH: When you put your hands by it, itís a connection to it.

KC: Sure.

BH: You have your hands out here, you can feel it. You can be out across the street, really...

KC: Well I actually felt it when we were coming up the stairs. I could feel... Thereís a vibration now thatís going on down the hall so to speak because of the presence of the thing.

BH: So thatís the kind of... Itís a little unusual than, you know, not just because of itís crystal by itself.

KC: So, how many years has this Skull been in your life?

BH: Letís see, probably about - off and on - for probably 12 years.

KC: OK. And what... Has it changed your life, do you feel?

BH: Completely. Yeah. Yeah. Itís... Especially my life now is just like a fast-moving river. Things happen. Itís like... If I can just take a month, like August.

August: I went to Germany, Switzerland, Austria, met a lot of people, did a lot of lectures. Come back. Somebody from England comes over and stays with me. Somebody from Italy comes and stays with me. One of them, maybe the person from Italy, wanted to stay right to the last time, the last day, and then I took off and went to Sedona and Scottsdale and did lectures. Get back and then I do another. Itís just like... never-ending... [laughs]

KC: So it takes you... it kind of like links you the rest of the people on the planet.

BH: Right. And also it pulls me and puts me in positions. Like, Iím down here. I donít know exactly why. But, you know, Iím running into these people that have the need to be here, the need. Iím finding the country to be an amazing place. And I think thereís some really special energy spots.

And the Skull, one of the jobs it does, it works on the heart chakra, opening peoplesí hearts to this universal love.

But what it also does is, it works on the ley lines of the Earth. And it helps to balance out the energy. And whatís so important with the shift thatís coming in 2012... Itís like, if the Earth is out of balance at all when all this energy hits it, itís going to... You know, itíll just fly anywhere, you know. We really wouldnít want to see what could happen.

But if we can work with people on these grid lines and open up the energy and make it in balance, then the energy hitting it could make it a lot less. Thatís one of the reasons I do this.

KC: Have you been to Stonehenge and to Egypt, to the Pyramids?

BH: I have to go to Egypt to the Pyramids. And the Skull has been at Stonehenge. Yes.

KC: So you still have to go to the Pyramids.

BH: Yeah. And I feel thatís important, one of my important things - that I need to go. Itís not just there. I think itís Spain, Thebes, or wherever, that area is supposed to be special area. It has some kind of energy I need to go to.


BH: But I find that where Iím supposed to go, people call and say: Hey, weíd like to do a lecture here. It seems to be the right place. So if thatís the place, weíll be there.

KC: I see.

BH: OK. It was found in 1924.


KC: I listened to your lecture...

BH: Right.

KC: ...but wasnít sure where you kind of stepped in.





BH: OK. Yeah. What happened is, it was found... F.A. Mitchell-Hedges had it since the Mayans gave it back to him in 1927.

KC: But that marvelous young girl found it.

BH: Yes. It was his adopted daughter Anna. They found it together.


BH: But he had it till í59. When he passed away, it went back to Anna and she had it till 2007.

KC: Really!

BH: Yeah. In 2007... But, what happened is, I met her. Thereís a lot of things in Annaís life and Mitchell-Hedgesí life that had paralleled things that happened to me. I was in Panama, a lot of the places they were at. And I had an open connection right away to the Skull when I saw pictures of it. In Ď81 I heard about it, where it was at, and I went up to see her and met with her and we became really good friends.


And she allowed me to go with her when she did different lectures and stuff all over the world. And so I was able to take her around the world to all these different sites, spiritual sites, around the world. And so that was... We became really good friends.


And sheís an amazing, amazing person, someone I have total respect for. Sheís a really neat person.





KC: So is she still alive?

BH: No. What happened is, she traveled with... You know, she moved from place to place a lot, so she moved from Canada to England, England back to Canada. These were full moves, with new houses and everything.

KC: Right.

BH: And then she came back in early 2000. And she was in Canada, and she was very sick. And I talked to her on the phone and I said... There was no one really around her at the time. So I said: Come to Indiana and Iíll take care of you. And she decided to do that. And she came down there. And she spent the last 8 years of her life with me, and I took care of her.

And she taught me what she wanted to be done with the Skull, how it was supposed to be handled, and what she believed in.

And so I gave my word. And thatís what Iím doing right now, is carrying out my word. My word was that I would take the Skull up and make it available to people that felt the importance of it, OK? People that felt... Not everybody is drawn to the Skull, but some people are really drawn to the Skull and they come from all over.


So by opening it up to those people, thatís part of what I... my promise... that I promised to her. And thatís what Iím doing.

KC: OK. And what is... like, was there a religious significance for Anna and the Skull?

BH: And the Skull? Well you know what, Anna and myself... You know, Iím a very spiritual person. I feel the connection to god very closely and very importantly. Iím not at this point in my life a ďreligiousĒ person in the fact that I donít believe in the dogma of religion, but I work on the spirituality.

Iím working on... I believe that the true essence of religion is inside, in the person, and going into that person and finding that connection is what I feel itís all about. And the Skull is a tool for mankind.

The Mayas believed it was a god. To them it was like their god had returned. But what it really is, itís a tool to open the heart to the universal love.

So I feel a connection with the Skull and I feel, spiritually, if I can help people, if I can help the world, and use the tool to do it, thatís what I feel is a very important job.

KC: Did Anna believe in the spiritual side, or did she believe in more of the religious side?

BH: Anna was a very spiritual person.


BH: As a matter of fact, you know, we had friends... We had this one friend, she was a secretary for Mother Theresa and worked with Mother Theresa for a while. And she met Anna. She said Anna had the same vibration as Mother Theresa. And thatís how she was. She was a person that if you met her, itís like you knew her all your life. And she made you feel that way.


BH: But she also... You know, she was very connected to the other side, so connected it was just like... In the last part of her life, there was so much psychic and different forces around her, it was just like unbelievable. It was like the veil between the other side and her was just so close, it was just like it was popping through. It was pretty amazing. So she was a very spiritual person. And very special.

KC: So did she ever talk about any beings that were associated with the Skull?

BH: Yes. Yeah. She felt... Well, there are different beings that have connection with the Skull and they are the ones that work through it. The Mayans are very connected to the Skull. The Mayans of Lubaatun, that area, theyíre not... Theyíre a Mayan group thatís different than the average Mayan and they have connections with the ETs and they have connections with the Skulls.

KC: OK. Do you know which ETs?

BH: Letís see. Iím not... I wouldnít say... Probably Pleiadians, probably are the ones.


BH: Yeah.





KC: Tall blonds.

BH: Tall blonds. Yeah.

KC: Where are you from originally?

BH: Indiana.

KC: Really?

BH: Like Indiana Jones.


BH: [laughs] Sounds good, right? I love adventure.

KC: That makes sense.

BH: Life is an adventure with the Skull. It keeps you really going on.

KC: So in a sense you didnít actually start your journey until 2007, would you say?

BH: No. My journey is, you know... started, as far as taking it around and doing stuff with people, it really started after Anna passed away. She passed away on my birthday in 2007. And she found it on her birthday, her 17th birthday.

KC: Really!

BH: Yeah. And she passed it to me on my birthday.

KC: On your birthday...

BH: It wasnít my 17th, though. [laughs]

KC: Surprise, surprise!

BH: Yeah.





Bill Ryan: Kerry, I have one or two questions. I wonder if you could also capture me just briefly with this beautiful object.

KC: Weíre here for a half hour. Thatís all we have here.

BR: And that may be just about over.

KC: Other people have booked sessions, is my understanding.

BR [sits down]: I donít come from Indiana, but Iíve got the hat...

BH: [laughs] I was admiring that hat. Thatís cool.

BR: So Iíve been a little bit of an adventurer in my time. Iím very, very curious about the Crystal Boy. Now Iím certainly not going to be asking you any information about locations or plans or logistics, but what is your feeling of the importance of that?





BH: I feel... You know, I feel that these different objects are pieces of importance in a puzzle. And the Skull is an important piece and also the Crystal Boy is an important piece.

BR: And there will be more.

BH: Yeah. When they come together, different things, or very powerful things, can happen. Iím not saying that the Crystal Boy... like each object has its special gift and special purpose. The Crystal Boy, we donít know exactly what its... what it does... but I know itís probably a very important piece in this overall puzzle that weíre working on.

BR: And you do have plans to retrieve this, I assume?

BH: Yes. And, see, what it is... Well, the way I want to retrieve it is... You know, I could have retrieved it with NBC, which would have been fine, but I think they would not have had the right thing for the Skull. It would not have been...

BR: The right energy.

BH: The right energy. It would not have gone to the right place. It would probably have been locked up in some... It needs to go with someone... You know, I would find it. but it wouldnít be like: Oh I want to keep the Skull with me. Iíd like to find it and have it go with some of the spiritual leaders, maybe down in that area...

BR: Yes.

BH: long as theyíre going to work together so we can work on this evolvement that weíre working on.

BR: Yes. But you do have some kind of a plan for how youíre going to handle that?

BH: Yes. I have a plan.

BR: In my sense, this is important.

BH: Yeah, I do have a plan. And itís just... This year has been one thing after another and I thought I would have been able to do it by now but I just havenít had the chance.

BR: This is a serious offer - you must have heard this from many other people - if you want anyone to follow you around with a camera, weíre equipped to do this. And it would be a huge privilege for us.

KC: We do... We did interview somebody. Her name is Miriam Delicado and they're talking about having a major gathering of the Peoples of the planet, mainly with the Hopi and the Maya coming forward and talking about the prophecies. And they feel also that indigenous people everywhere should be sort of connecting with this gathering. And the Crystal Skull may be an important ingredient in that. So Iím just throwing that out to you. This would be happening in Hopiland. And I wonder if youíve been to the Hopi.

BH: Iím a very good friend of someone I really care about and respect, is Grandfather Martin, and heís the Elder and heís the Prophet for the Hopi Nation.


BH: And so I am very much for the Hopis and I believe in their work and what theyíre doing.

KC: And have you brought the Skull to the Hopi?

BH: Yes I have. Thatís one of the things that I was drawn to do and we did that this year.


BH: And we met with them several times, just, a matter of fact, the last time was just two weeks ago.

KC: Oh, really? OK. So you were probably right near me. I now live in Sedona.

BH: OK. So, yeah. I was in Sedona. I was in...

KC: I thought I heard that youíd been around.

BH: Yep. Well, I was in Scottsdale. I left there, letís see... Two weeks ago I was in, well it wasnít even two weeks ago, it was last week I was in Sedona. I was in Angel Valley, doing a lecture for Angel Valley.


BH: But two weeks before that I was in Scottsdale. And then from Scottsdale I went up to Sedona and did some work with the Hopi and stuff. It was very interesting. Did you ever hear of the Crystal Orb?

KC, BR: No.





BH: The Crystal Orb is a very special thing. It was found about 30 years ago by a gentleman called Ray Brown. If you look on some of the internet you can probably find some of that. He was really big at the time. Ray Brown was scuba diving on this island near Bimini.

BR: Iíve heard this story. Incredible story.

BH: Yeah. He went on this, and he found this in a pyramid?

BR: Yes.

BH: OK. Well the people that were with him went back out looking for stuff and they were mysteriously killed. But he was left. And he passed away a couple of years later, and he gave the Orb to his teacher, telling him never to show the Orb to anybody until the right time.

BR: Yes. Right.

BH: OK? Well I did a show for NBC, and it was about the Crystal Skull and me looking for stuff and he wondered what I was talking about.

And when I was doing this he watched it and he saw the Skull and saw me and he felt that he had to show the Orb to me and that they needed to be together. But he thought that it was ridiculous because he didnít know where I was or anything.

So what happened is, I was going out there for a lecture to an area where I meet these two people, and they said they had a friend there and the friend... they were talking about the Orb... and she said: I know where it is but I canít tell anybody. He said: Well tell him the Skullís coming. Maybe he wants to see it. And when he did that, he was all excited.

We brought the Orb and the Skull together. And when we brought the Orb and Skull together for the first time... We did it twice, and the second time something different happened. But the first time, the Skull turned white and the Orb turned gold.

KC: Wow. Wonderful.

BH: But the thing is, the amazing thing about that is, I have a picture. I can show it to you.

BR: I would love to see this.

KC: Yes. We would. Absolutely.

BR: I read about this Orb in Charles Berlitzís book on the Bermuda Triangle (
El TriŠngulo de Las Bermudas) many years ago and Iíve never forgotten that. It lodged in my mind. I thought: This is incredibly important. I thought it had disappeared.

BH: It did disappear for all those years, until it just came out. And what happened is... You know, the Orb... Itís a crystal ball, and it has three pyramids built inside of it.

BR: Mm hm.

BH: But... And itís pure crystal. But when we put them together, the Skull turned white and the Orb turned gold. If you look around his hand, you can see white light shooting around.

BR: That is amazing. Do you have plans to do more, to work more, with the Skull and the Orb?

BH: Oh, of course, yeah. Weíre just getting very good together. As a matter of fact, a couple weeks ago I was able to get together with them again and when we did it this time, the Skull turned blue and the... It was blue light going all over the ground.

And the next day weíre in this room that had yellow table cloths and yellow walls. And youíre looking at this through the viewfinder on the camera and it was yellow walls and yellow table cloths. And when you took the picture, the Skull turned blue, the table cloths turned blue and the walls turned blue. And we took about 15 pictures and every time it did the same thing.

BR: Incredible.

BH: So, some pretty strong energy thatís involved. When an Atlantean Orb and Atlantean Skull get together itís a major... I think there was a connection, an old connection.

BR: And there must be more.

BH: Oh, yeah. Thereís more. And thatís what weíre doing right now, is weíre putting a call out to try to bring this stuff forward. I believe a lot of the ancient people, the Mayas, or whatever, have some of this stuff in their own possession that theyíre afraid to bring out because they know if it comes out the government tries to take it away from them.

KC: Right.

BR: And the Tibetans. They have some there, too. Thereís no doubt at all. Yes.

BH: Yeah. And I think maybe even thereís some here in Australian. I think the aborigines might have a Skull. And thereís a possibility that when I bring this Skull down there, we might bring the Skulls together. And if that happens I think that could be a major thing.

BR: Yes.

BH: It might be one of the reasons why Iím here.

BR: Of course. Iím sure that you feel that youíre on a great sense of mission and youíre not totally sure what it is, but youíre going down this river.

BH: Yeah. Just going with the flow.

BR: Going with the flow, and you donít really understand this.

KC: The journey is the message. Well thatís wonderful. And for the sake of the camera, can you please tell us your name?





BH: My name is Bill Homann.

KC: Homann. OK. And the original person who had it was Anna...

BH: OK. It was found by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges and Anna Mitchell-Hedges.


F.A. Mitchell-Hedges was a famous British explorer. They are people that need to... people to know about... because in this day and age you donít have any heroes. And they were heroes. And they did the... They walked. They didnít just do the talk, they did the walk, and thatís pretty neat.

So thatís one of the reasons I go around, to get people know about their lives...