October 16, 1994
Freddie, Laura, V___
A: Hello. Music is Good.
Q: (L) Can you give us your name?
Q: (L) I would like to know what is the
origin of the Freemasons?
Q: (L) Can you tell us when the original Freemasons formed as a
A: 5633 B.C.
Q: (L) Is Freemasonry as it is practiced today the same?
A: 33rd degree, yes.
Q: (L) So, there is a continuing tradition for over 7 thousand
Q: (L) Is this organization with a plan to take over and rule the
A: Not exactly.
Q: (L) What is their focus?
Q: (L) Of what?
A: The status of Quorum.
Q: (L) What is the
A: Deeper knowledge organization. Totally secret to your kind as of
important with regard to your future.
Q: (L) In what way?
Q: (L) Can you get more specific? Is that changes to us personally?
Q: (L) Earth changes?
Q: (L) What is the relationship between this quorum and the
A: They communicate with us regularly.
Q: (L) Do they do this knowing you are Cassiopaeans or do they do it
Q: (L) Has there been an ongoing relationship between the
Cassiopaeans and this quorum for these thousands of years?
A: For some time as you measure it.
Q: (L) What is the origin of the Kaballah?
A: Channeled truths given to early pre-Mosaic Jews to use your
Q: (L) When the Jewish commentators began setting down the
teachings, was this the first time this had been put into writing?
A: No. Not even close.
Q: (L) Is the form that it is in today very close to the original
form and can it be relied upon?
A: No. Corrupted.
Q: (L) What is the origin of the
books of Enoch?
A: Sanskritian society in area now referred to as India.
Q: (L) What evaluation can we give the books of Enoch as far as
level of truth?
A: 50% of area was destroyed in nuclear conflagration in between
Q: (L) In between what?
A: Then and now in the expanded present.
Q: (L) What is the “expanded” present?
A: The real measure of time.
Q: (L) Who was Hermes Trismegistus?
Traitor to court of Pharoah Rana.
Q: (L) Who is Pharoah Rana?
A: Egyptian leader of spiritual covenant.
Q: (L) In what way was Hermes a traitor?
A: Broke covenant of spiritual unity of all peoples in area now
known as Middle
Q: (L) Who did Hermes betray?
A: Himself; was power hungry.
Q: (L) What acts did he do?
A: Broke covenant; he inspired divisions within ranks of Egyptians,
Aryans, and Persians et cetera.
Q: (L) What was his purpose in doing this?
A: Divide and conquer as inspired by those referred to as
book you have read.
Q: (L) Is this the Brotherhood of
The Snake Hermes formed in
rejection of unity?
A: Hermes did not form it; it was long since in existence.
Q: (L) Who was the originator of the
Brotherhood of the Serpent as
described in Bramley's book?
A: Lizard Beings.
Q: (L) Where did Moses get his knowledge?
Q: (L) Okay, you told us before that he saw or interacted with a
holographic projection created by the Lizard Beings. Was that the
experience on Mount Sinai?
Q: (L) Okay, well, if he got knowledge from you, did he get this
prior to the interactions with the Lizard beings?
A: Yes. He was corrupted by imagery. He was deceived by the imagery
a la Joseph Smith, for example.
Q: (L) Are you saying that
Joseph Smith, the recipient of the Mormon
texts, was deceived by the Lizards also?
A: Yes. They do that a lot.
Q: (L) Why did it take so long for us to get a “good source” through
A: Too many interactions with channel cancellers.
Q: (L) Who are the individuals are channel cancellers?
A: It would not be our way to name names.
Q: (L) Do you mean people we have had involved in our lives?
Q: (L) Does it have anything to do with our activities?
Q: (L) Does it involve other entities that have tried to come
through that have blocked the channel?
Q: (L) Are they Lizards?
Q: (L) Are there any exercises we can use to help our bodies
A: Not necessary. It is the soul that matters.
Q: (L) Does this mean that if we focus on soul development, that at
the time of
transformation that our bodies will automatically be transformed for
A: No. It is natural process. No preparation is needed.
Q: (L) So, if you are meant to transform, you will, if you are not
Q: (L) Does this mean that when my body reacts to certain foods that
stop eating them? Is my body trying to tell me something?
A: Up to you. Nothing needs to “tell” you anything.
Q: (L) Can you clarify that?
A: Why are you searching for guidance where it is not needed?
Q: (L) In other words, if we just do each day what naturally comes
to us as the
best choice in each moment, we are on the right track?
Q: (V) I find the information of transforming to the fourth
exciting and natural which is why I ask if this is going to be
something I will experience in the future excluding death?
Q: (L) If, theoretically, an individual... I am getting a very
right at this moment, why?
A: Metabolic changes enhanced by accelerated learning.
Q: (L) Is this happening to all three of us?
Q: (L) Now, as I was starting to say, if, theoretically an
individual was to
develop in a natural way by making all the proper choices, and was
to arrive at the point in time when the major transition is to be
made, would that individual’s body pass through into that heightened
dimension in a physical state? Remember, this is just a theoretical
A: Of course.
Q: (L) Now suppose this theoretical person were to pass through this
transition to the other side, what state would they find their body
in? Would it be exactly as it is now in terms of solidity? What
would be the experience?
A: The key concept here is variability of physicality.
Q: (L) Does this mean that everybody will be different or that an
individual will have greater control over the substance and
constitution of the body?
A: Not exactly either. Your physicality will be variable according
to need and circumstance.
Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that sometimes we will be more of a
Q: (L) Does this mean that sometimes we will be more of a firm body
as we have now?
Q: (L) Will our bodies age differently?
Q: (L) What will be the median lifespan?
A: 400 years
Q: (L) And will those who pass through this transition as, say, 50
year olds, will they have an equal opportunity to live an additional
A: Will regenerate in youthful appearance.
Q: (L) Now, when you say 400 years, will it be that the plane has a
different orbit and that a year will be different?
Q: (L) Will the days be different as to length of time light and
dark as they are now?
A: Not the point. Planet will be 4th density as well.
Q: (L) But will the days and nights be different and will the orbit
be different? Will the axial angle be changed?
A: You are thinking in terms of the 3rd level density. The rules
will be so totally different that physical inspired comparisons are moot.
(L) But I like the sunshine and birds singing and breezes. I just
want to know if those things will be the same.
A: In some fashion.
Q: (L) Can’t you give a few clues?
A: We must let you see for yourself.
Q: (V) I had an experience with Preying Mantis beings. Who are they?
Q: (L) Where are they from?
Q: (L) Are the Orions the bad guys?
Q: (L) Well, what group do they belong to?
A: Federation as do the Pleiadians.
Q: (L) Did they abduct me or what is the source of this memory?
A: It is a memory of a past life held in the deep subconscious
Q: (L) What did they do to me?
A: Retroprogramming for learning purposes.
Q: (L) For what?
A: Lessons are to be learned by you not told by us.
Q: (L) Why did the grays abduct V___?
A: To try to encode her to destroy herself.
Q: (L) Has she overcome this programming?
A: Hopefully. There is always room for error. Remember, free will is
the most important law of consciousness in creation.
Q: (V) I had a dream about being a teacher and showing small
children how to use light and color. Was this precognition?
Q: (L) Would this probability be within the next ten years?
A: Listen. Open.
Q: (L) What is the meaning of the number 666 in the book of
Q: (L) You mean as in credit card?
Q: (L) Are credit cards the work of what 666 represents?
Q: (L) Should we get rid of all credit cards?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Would it be more to our advantage than not to disconnect
ourselves from the credit system?
A: Isn’t just credit also debit.
Q: (L) Is that an affirmative.
A: How are you going to do this?
Q: (L) Well, do you have any suggestions?
A: World will soon have nothing but credit and debit have you not
heard of this
new visa debit cards this is the future of money as controlled by
the world banking system i.e. the brotherhood i.e. Lizards i.e.
Q: (L) If I don’t have a credit card then I don’t have
to belong to this system?
A: No. You will have no choices: belong or starve.
Q: (L) What happened to free will?
A: Brotherhood aka Lizards aka antichrist has interfered with free
will for 309,000 years. They are getting desperate as we near the change.
(V) It has always been my nature to rebel against that which I did
not feel was good for me. Is rebellion against this system possible?
A: If you are willing to leave the body.
Q: (L) Leave the body as in death, croak, kick the bucket?
Q: (L) If we were to move...
A: Changes will follow turmoil, be patient.
Q: (L) We would like to move into the country. Will it be possible
to get along without this credit/debit card leading that kind of
Q: (L) Are they going to have the kind of capability of controlling
everything and everybody no matter where they are?
Q: (L) Even if we moved to Guyana and built a log hut in the rain
forest and didn’t bother anybody, we’d still get sucked into this
A: Laura you will feel the effect of the Lizard beings desperate
push for total control no matter where you go.
Q: (L) That is inexpressibly depressing. Do you understand?
A: Why? Change will follow.
Q: (L) Will it follow soon?
A: You are slipping a bit. Refer to Literature “Bringers of the
Challenge will be ecstasy if viewed with proper perspective which is
not, we repeat: not of third level reality, understand?
Q: (L) In the reference cited, Joan of Arc is described as feeling
ecstatic while burning at the stake. Is that what you mean?
A: Sort of, but you need not burn at the stake.
Q: (L) That’s small comfort. There’s other ways to die.
We are not speaking of death, Laura. If you listen to those who
rooted in 3rd level this is when you run the risk of slipping in
your knowledge learned no matter how good the intentions i.e. Lewis.
Q: (L) What do you mean about Lewis?
Q: (L) What do you mean “Challenge will be ecstasy”? What sort of
A: Living through the turmoil ahead.
Q: (L) Several books I have read have advised moving to rural areas
and forming groups and storing food etc...
A: Disinformation. Get rid of this once and for all. That is 3rd
Q: (L) We feel pretty helpless at the mercy of beings who can come
in and feed
off of us at will. Do we have someone on our side, pulling for our
team, throwing us energy or something?
A: Who do you think you have been communicating with?
Q: (L) Are you going to be able to assist us through this turmoil?
Q: (L) Are you going to?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) If we call, can we get your assistance?
A: All you have to do is ask.
Q: (L) Will we go through any periods when we may be cut off from
A: You are never ever cut off.
Q: (L) Oh, I don’t want to suffer!
A: You need not suffer. Stop thinking 3rd level.
Q: (L) I don’t want anybody I love to suffer either. I don’t want
I’ve suffered enough!
A: You are stuck at 3rd level tonight.
Q: (L) It’s not just that. There is so much disinformation you just
don’t know who to believe... I mean, how do we know we can believe
you? There are so many sources out there deceiving and they do it so
cleverly. Look at the Bible... for 2,000 years people have been
A: They deceive when you allow it.
Q: (L) I know you are supposed to take some things on faith... but,
do you see my problem here?
A: Yes, but you don’t.
Q: (L) What is my problem?
A: Mental block.
Q: (L) In the recent past you indicated that chapter 24 of Matthew
and chapter 21 of Luke, were given by Jesus after his extended sleep
state. Now, both of those chapters refer to the present time as
being like the days of Noah. Is that a correct assessment?
A: In a sense and individual events are as yet undetermined.
Q: (L) Well, the story of Noah tells us that Noah was told to build
Q: (L) Yet Noah built an ark. Was it true that certain individuals,
whoever they were, built boats or did things to survive that
A: No. Look at it this way. Noah built a boat because it seemed like
enjoyable enterprise and when the flood came it came in handy, see?
Q: (L) So, you are saying that if we do what we do because we enjoy
it that we will be in the right place at the right time, doing the
right thing when whatever happens happens, right?
Q: (L) Are you saying that we will be led to do what we should be
doing and be where we should be?
A: You will just fall into it but if you force things you run the
risk of going astray.
Q: (L) Am I correct in thinking that many people who think they are
channeling are just channeling earthbound spirits?
Q: (L) Is it possible to channel dead people who have gone into the
Q: (L) Would it be possible for us to do this with other people
present so that they could ask questions also?
Q: (L) Is S___ under the influence of other forces?
Q: (L) Who?
A: Who else?
Q: (L) Is it acceptable within universal law to do spirit release
work on people without requesting their permission?
A: You already do this without inquiry.
Q: (L) Is it alright to do it without inquiry?
Q: (L) Is it possible that we could be loading ourselves with Karmic
sticking our noses in where we may not be wanted?
Q: (L) Would it be better to not do this without request?
A: You must answer within yourself.
Q: (L) Can one do a spirit release on another after asking the
higher self permission?
A: Too many conflicting thought patterns.
Q: (L) Can one ask the higher self for permission to do a cleansing?
A: Be cautious not to interfere with karmic learning assignments.
Q: (L) Do some people have attachments that are part of karma?
Q: (L) Let’s go back to the subject of the beast and the number 666.
You say that following the enforcement of control by the Lizzies on
the entire world that the change is going to take place, is that
Q: (L) How long following?
Q: (L) Several prophetic works have said that this period is going
to last 6.3 or 7 years. Is that correct?
Q: (L) On the subject of the 666, I was given an insight into this
several years ago as to another meaning of it, is that
interpretation also correct?
A: Maybe. VI is 6 in Roman Numerals. S was 6 in ancient Egypt. A was
6 in Sanskrit. VISA, see, is 666. Interesting that to travel for extended
periods one needs a “visa” also, yes?
Q: (L) The other parts of chapter 13... Verse one says, “I stood on
the sandy beach I saw a beast coming up out of the sea with ten
horns and seven heads. On his horns he had ten royal crowns and
blasphemous titles on his heads...” What does this verse mean?
A: Many meanings. Monetary control. 10 represents universal control
of whole units of value.
Q: (L) So, the ten horns represent units of value, so we are talking
about money here. What are the blasphemous titles on his heads?
In God we trust.
Q: (L) “And the beast that I saw resembled a leopard...”
New World Order.
Q: (L) “And to him the dragon gave his might and power and great
dominion...” Who is the dragon?
A: Read again please.
Q: (L) “And the beast I saw resembled a leopard...” What does the
A: Leopard is fast moving and distinctly patterned.
Q: (L) “His feet were like those of a bear...” what do the feet
Q: (L) Why are the feet like those of a bear?
A: Hidden power center in that geographic location.
Q: (L) What nature this power center?
A: Same as USA. Feet are not so easily seen.
Q: (L) Does this mean that Russia and the US are secretly united?
A: Under same control.
Q: (L) Are these the
A: At the root.
Q: (L) “His mouth was like that of a lion...” What does mouth
represent and why is it like a lions?
A: Noisy and boastful.
Q: (L) Who is noisy and boastful and how is this going to manifest?
A: Economic power structure. Lion is powerful and commands attention
by roaring. Who has been speaking loudly about a new world order?
Q: (L) The United States?
A: Close. Elements of same.
Q: (L) “One of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound, but his
death stroke was
healed and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and
What does it mean that one of his heads seemed to have a deadly
Q: (L) The aliens will seem to be a deadly wound to the Beast?
Q: (L) “But his death stroke was healed, and the whole earth went
after the Beast with amazement and admiration...” What does this
A: Initial fear gives way to worship and admiration.
Q: (L) “They fell down and gave homage to the dragon because he had
bestowed on the beast all of his dominion and authority...” Who is
A: World Body Politic.
Q: (L) And who is this Beast?
A: New World Order aka Brotherhood aka
Lizzies aka antichrist.
Q: (L) “The Beast was given the power of speech uttering boastful
and blasphemous words and was given freedom to exert his authority
and exercise his will during 42 months...”
A: Timing is open. Power of speech is self explanatory in terms of
Q: (L) “And he opened his mouth to speak slanders against God
blaspheming his name and his abode even vilifying those who live in
heaven...” Does this mean that this group, this beast are going
A: Disseminate disinformation with respect to encouraging worship,
obedience to antichrist.
Q: (L) “He was further permitted to wage war on God’s holy people
and to overcome them and power was given him to extend his authority
over every tribe and people and every tongue and nation...” Does
this means trials and tribulations of those who refuse to submit?
A: No. See previous answer.
Q: (L) “And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in
admiration... everyone whose name has not been recorded from the
foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was
slain in sacrifice from the foundation of the world...” What are
“those whose names are recorded in the Book of Life"... what is the
Book of Life?
Q: (L) The Book of Life of the Lamb... everyone whose name has not
been recorded... it is saying that the people who are going to
worship the Beast are names that have not been recorded... does that
mean that there is a supercomputer recording the names of those who
do not worship the beast?
Q: (L) And who has this supercomputer?
A: Beast. All names will be recorded as being either obedient or
Q: (L) Who is this “Lamb?”
Q: (L) “If anyone is able to hear let him listen: whoever leads into
will himself go into captivity; if anyone slays with the sword, with
the sword will he be slain... herein is the call for the patience
and fidelity of the saints (God’s people)... “Who are God’s people?
Q: (L) What does it mean: “Whoever leads into captivity will go into
A: Follow the leader.
Q: (L) If they follow the leader they will become captive and if
they fight with
the leader they will be killed?
Q: (L) “Then I saw another Beast rising up out of the land; he had
like a lamb and he spoke like a dragon...” What does this signify?
A: Other faces of the same entity.
Q: (L) What does it mean that he had two horns like a lamb? A lamb
horns. Why does it say he has horns?
A: Confusion by contradiction.
Q: (L) And what does the lamb represent?
A: Same face of the Beast.
Q: (L) What does it mean he “spoke like a dragon”??
Q: (L) “He exerts all the power and right of control as the former
beast in his presence and causes the earth and those who dwell upon
it to exalt and deify the beast whose deadly wound was healed and
worship him...” Well, it seems to say that there is a second beast
that is different from the first beast but you are saying that it is
just another face of the beast...
A: Yes. Look at it this way, aliens one face;
government another et
Q: (L) Did you mean to say that God was another face of the beast?
A: As represented by religion.
Q: (L) “He performs great signs, startling miracles, even making
fire fall from the sky to the earth in men’s sight..” What does that
A: Aliens perform “miracles”.
Q: (L) And what is the “image” of the Beast?
Q: (L) What does it mean to have been wounded by the sword and still
A: Perceived as scary then Godlike.
Q: (L) “And he was permitted to impart the breath of life into the
Beast’s image so that the statue of the beast could actually talk
and to cause all to be put to death that would not bow down and
worship the image of the beast.” What does this mean?
A: Total control once deception is complete.
Q: (L) “Compels all alike, both small and great, rich and poor, free
and slave, to be marked with an inscription on their right hand or
on their foreheads....” What is this inscription?
A: Visa ID number.
Q: (L) Is this going to be actually physically put on our bodies?
Q: (L) How? Is that what the aliens do when they abduct people?
Q: (L) How is it going to be done?
Q: (L) By what technical means?
A: Electronic encoding. A series of numbers.
Q: (L) Are they going to put these on our skins or imbed them in the
skin on our
heads or hand...?
Q: (L) Does that mean that you will have to place your hand on an
scanner in order to conduct any type of monetary transaction?
Q: (L) Okay, it says: “Here is room for discernment, a call for the
interpretation, let him who has intelligence, penetration, insight
enough calculate the number of the Beast, for it is a human number,
the number of a certain man, his number is 666." What does this mean?
A: Visa as explained previously. Everyone will get their own number
and it will
be a Visa number, the number of the Beast.
Q: (L) “Then I looked and Lo! the lamb stood on Mount Zion and with
men who had his name and his father’s name inscribed on their
foreheads...” What does that mean?
A: ID. The Lamb is the Leadership council of the world bank. Many
they are taking the “mark” of God when actually being marked by the
Q: (L) “And I heard a voice from Heaven like the sound of great
waters and like
the rumbling of might thunder and the voice I heard seemed like the
music of harpists accompanying themselves on their harps...” What is
this voice from heaven and the sound like great waters and mighty
A: The return of Christ.
Q: (L) “And they sing a new song... No one could learn to sing that
the 144,000 who had been ransomed from the earth... you said the
144,000 are the
leaders of the world bank and here it says they have been ransomed
earth at the coming of Christ... it says the 144,000 have not
by relations with women for they are pure as virgins. These are they
who follow the Lamb wherever he goes...they have been ransomed...”
A: Symbolism added later and this is not entirely accurate point.
have been mixed. Tends to encourage elitism and divisiveness.
Q: (L) Are the 144,000 good guys or bad guys as we would term them?
A: Both. But they are ones who have supreme knowledge.
Q: (L) Are these human beings?
Q: (L) There will be 144,000 people on the earth who have supreme
Q: (L) Now, this 144,000, are we among that number? Just curious.
Q: (L) “No lie was found to be upon their lips for they are
blameless, spotless, untainted without blemish. And I saw another
angel flying in midair with an eternal gospel to tell to the
inhabitants of the earth, every race and tribe and people, and he
cried with a mighty voice: Revere God and give him glory, for the
hour of his judgment has arrived, fall down before him, pay him
homage and adoration and worship him who created heaven and earth
and the sea and the springs of water...” What does this tell us?
A: Added later by questionable source.
Q: (L) “Then a second angel followed declaring: Fallen, fallen is
Babylon the Great, she who made all nations drink of the wine of her
passionate unchastity...” Who is Babylon and what does it mean she
A: Same as previous answer.
Q: (L) “Another angel followed, a third, saying with a mighty voice
saying whoever pays homage to the beast and permits his stamp to be
put on his forehead or on his hand he too shall have to drink of the
wine of God’s indignation and wrath poured undiluted into the cup of
his anger, and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the
presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the lamb...”
A: Disinformation. Intended to create fear and resistance so that
the aliens can feed off of these emotions.
Q: (L) “Again I looked and lo! I saw a white cloud and sitting on
the cloud one resembling a son of man with a crown of gold on his
head and a sharp scythe in his hand...” Is that further additions?
Q: (L) “Another angel came out of the temple saying with a mighty
voice to the one sitting on the cloud: put in your scythe and reap
for the hour has arrived to gather the harvest for the earth’s crop
is fully ripened...”
A: More fear based disinformation.
Q: (L) Now, I have compared certain passages of Revelations to the
Immanuel Velikovsky, were those sections accurate in what
Q: (L) And those are events that will transpire after the Lizzies
have done their thing, after the Visa is in place, and before or
after Christ returns?
Q: (L) So the cluster of comets is going to come before the return
A: Yes. But return is just one event not the whole thing.
Q: (L) Is there going to be massive disruption on the planet and
maybe a lot of people transitioning out of the body simultaneously because of the
interaction of this cluster of comets and the earth.
Q: (L) And, shortly following this event, Christ will return?
A: As part of the whole.
Q: (L) That is going to be part of the cluster of comets activity?
Q: (L) What is Christ going to do after he returns?
Q: (L) How many people are going to be on the planet to receive this
Q: (L) May we assume there will be six billion?
A: Assume as you please.
Q: (L) You keep saying that the return of
Christ is a part of the
whole as though there is some important thing that I am missing the
question to discover. Consider that question asked... tell me what
it is I am missing, please.
A: Obvious if you have been paying attention.
Q: (L) And that is...?
A: The transition to 4th density.
Q: (L) Is the transition to 4th density going to happen before the
comets or after?
Q: (L) Is the interaction of the comets and the planet earth going
A: Precede the transition.
Q: (L) Is it going to generate this change in some way?
Q: (L) It’s not going to have anything to do with electromagnetic
interactions which would heighten the atomic vibrations of the
Q: (L) So, the comets are going to make a mess of things and then
the transition is going to come as Christ comes?
Q: (L) The
transition will happen and we will all be standing around
glazed in the eyes or whatever, wondering what to do with ourselves,
because we are finding ourselves in a new estate we have not been in
before, and then Christ comes?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) Now, what is going to happen after
Christ comes back and
everything is sort of straightening out and he is teaching... is
everybody on the planet going to be gathered together in one place
to receive these teachings?
Q: (L) Is he going to travel around and teach?
Q: (L) He will teach via the media?
Q: (L) And we are still going to have access to our media,
television and radio
and so forth?
Q: (L) Are some people at that point in time or just prior to this
going to leave in large groups with the Lizzies?
Q: (L) Are there going to be large groups of people moving into
domed cities on
the planet living in “cahoots” with the Lizzies?
Q: (L) In other words there may be areas of Lizzie control on the
areas under the control of Christ?
A: Christ does not control.
Q: (L) Will the Lizzie people come out of their cities from time to
“molest” the followers of Christ from time to time?
Q: (L) So, in other words, we will have a greatly reduced
here and people there, none of whom are totally united on the
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October 18, 1994
Freddie and Laura
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Can you give us your name and opening statement?
A: Dedeba. Hello.
Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?
Q: (L) Why do you not seem to have as much energy as the others?
A: Slow at first. Builds.
Q: (L) Has someone of you been looking over my shoulder during the
day and reading the questions I have been preparing?
Q: (L) Are you prepared to answer my questions fully and completely
Q: (L) Are you a male or female?
Q: (L) Are all Cassiopaeans both male and female?
Q: (L) Do you reproduce in anyway?
A: We are Light.
Q: (L) Have the Cassiopaeans ever been in physical bodies?
A: Ever is subjective.
Q: (L) Okay, at any point in space time have you occupied physical
A: Have, will and do.
Q: (L) Are you talking about the simultaneous past present and
Q: (L) Are you part of the collective subconscious, unconscious, or
A: Too vague.
Q: (L) Are you part of our higher consciousness?
A: So is everything else.
Q: (L) Are you prepared for my questions and to give practical
answers because you know I am a practical person.
Q: (L) Would anyone else be able to answer the sorts of questions we
A: Anyone covers wide spectrum.
Q: (L) You understand our frustration with a lot of
Q: (L) Our frustration lies in the fact that when a question is
answered it is rarely, if ever, answered succinctly, directly, or
anywhere near the point.
A: So your perspective, yes, to not do...
Q: (L) Is there any such thing as racial superiority regarding the
races on the planet earth?
A: Only karmically determined by physical confinement assignment.
Q: (L) It can be karmically determined to be born into one race or
Q: (L) Are the Aryan/Celts who came to this planet from the other
one that was destroyed, were they, when they came, in any way
superior to the humans already here?
Q: (L) What was the nature of this superiority?
Q: (L) Physical or mental?
Q: (L) Well, blond haired, blue-eyed people seem to be somewhat more
thin-skinned compared to, say, the blacks.
A: In this environment on surface.
Q: (L) Which race on earth is the oldest?
A: All are same.
Q: (L) Even the Aryan/Celts from the other planet?
Q: (L) Was there ever a time in history when Kantek, Martek, and
Earth were all
three occupied by sentient races which communicated with one
Q: (L) Was there ever a time in history when all three planets were
Q: (L) Why are there different races?
A: Many reasons. Experimental creations. Partly.
Q: (L) Where did the
Orientals come from?
A: Same as all others. Result of experimentation.
Q: (L) Did they originate on this planet? Are they native to this
A: Both. Orientals reserved for souls most advanced; Aryans most
Negroes most naturally attuned to earth vibrational frequency. So
are “native Americans”.
Q: (L) Can you determine my dominant genetic type?
Q: (L) Is Caucasian different from Aryan or Celtic?
A: Aryan subgroup Caucasian.
Q: (L) In terms of being Caucasian, do I have any negro blood in me?
A: Faint trace.
Q: (L) Who were the blue skinned people written about in the Vedas?
Q: (L) Were the Aryans originally blue skinned?
Q: (L) Why did the Vedas talk about blue-skinned people and why are
there blue skinned people in remote areas of the Appalachians?
A: Are whites real “white”?
Q: (L) Were there ever any really blue people?
A: No. They were
perceived as blue due to thinness of skin and
contrast with native population.
Q: (L) What is the origin of the swastika.
A: Oriental. Signified supremity.
Q: (L) Were Adam and Eve attempting to obtain knowledge to free
themselves from bondage when they ate of the fruit of the tree of
A: Adam and Eve are symbolic.
Q: (L) But were they in bondage and trying to help free themselves
with the help of a benevolent “serpent”?
A: Not benevolent.
Q: (L) Were they already in bondage to someone else when the Lizzies
A: No. They were free. The symbolic story of Adam and Eve was a
enticement to false knowledge. The tree of knowledge of good and
evil was focused, imprisoned knowledge.
Q: (L) Is the solar system sort of a giant atom?
A: No. But similar; remember your atomic knowledge is still mostly
Q: (L) Could the orbits of the planets be described as energy
‘shells’ such as the shells occupied by the various electrons around
Q: (L) Does the solar system, at different points in time absorb or
emit energy and do planets move from one shell to another? And, does
the nature of the solar system change what it “is” by adding or
taking away bodies?
A: First, if a solar system adds or subtracts bodies then of course
Next, the fundamental changes occur as a result of interaction with
Q: (L) What outside forces?
A: Plane convergence.
Q: (L) What is plane convergence?
A: What will happen to earth.
Q: (L) Is this going to happen soon?
Q: (L) Is this
plane convergence a phenomenon that occurs frequently
in the universe, galaxy or solar system?
Q: (L) What is it caused by or manifested by?
A: Passing through realm border.
Q: (L) What is a realm border?
A: Too complex.
Q: (L) What is the source of the
legend of the phoenix?
A: Ancient Indian destruction and rebuilding.
Who created the Lizzies?
Q: (L) And who is this individual?
A: Thought center.
Q: (L) Located where?
Q: (L) Can you give us a little more of a clue?
A: Another sector of reality.
Q: (L) Is this a sentient, self-aware being that created the
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) Is this individual one of what you called the Transient
Q: (L) Is it similar?
Q: (L) And who created this
A: Not being; thought center.
Q: (L) Thought center of what?
A: Too complex.
Q: (L) Who was it who appeared to Ezekiel?
A: Lizard beings.
Q: (L) What do you intend for us to do with all this information?
A: Put in book.
Q: (L) Any suggestion for title?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Should we let it out gradually? Some of the information is
A: All at once.
Q: (L) Is there only one ultimate creator of the universe
A: All is one. And one is all.
Q: (L) From the one what was the first division?
A: Mass division and disbursement.
Q: (L) Was this simultaneous?
Q: (L) Was this what we refer to as the “Big Bang?”
Q: (L) Is there any reference to this event in terms of time?
Q: (L) Can we say that all that exists in the material universe is,
say, “x” number of years old?
A: No. It is the eternal now. Not only did happen, is happening and
happen. The expanded presence.
Q: (L) What is the true source of
the brotherhood of the snake in
terms of human members?
A: Adam and Eve.
Q: (L) Were Adam and Eve real people?
Q: (L) A group of people?
A: Thought pattern change not a giving into temptation.
Q: (L) What or who were these people? What country did they live in?
A: All people. Realm border crossing.
Q: (L) You mean this occurred at a time when realms crashed or
Q: (L) Did this involve a war of some sort between one group of
A: Realm crossing has many manifestations.
Q: (L) So, in other words, if it hadn’t been the Lizzies it would
have been someone else?
Q: (L) Was this just sort of destined to happen?
Q: (L) Is it just part of a great cosmic drama?
Q: (L) Is the ultimate creator self-conscious and self-aware?
A: Yes and no.
Q: (L) These events that occur in our universe just sort of happen?
Q: (L) Are there other universes besides ours?
Q: (L) Are these other universes also spun off from “our” ultimate
Q: (L) Are these universes countable?
A: Counting is artificially limiting concept.
Q: (L) Are the numbers of universes limitless?
A: In a sense.
Q: (L) Do universes ever crash into each other?
A: Too complex.
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October 19, 1994
Freddie and Laura
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Do we have anybody with us tonight?
A: We are always with you.
Q: (L) Who are we talking with tonight?
Q: (L) Is it true that when we ask an individual under hypnosis
about an alien abduction scenario to try to tune in to aliens... can
we do that?
A: Yes. The individual is aware on every level and the information
you seek was known at the time. The questions you ask are merely an accessing of
information that is already in awareness at some level. Budd Hopkins
and David Jacobs are too regimented.
Q: (L) Why does M___ F___ think that people are trying to come
between him and S____?
Q: (L) Is M___ engaged in physical relationship with S___?
Q: (L) Why did S___ just suddenly turn cold to everything and
Q: (L) About what?
Q: (L) Because she backed out on the cream deal?
Q: (L) Well, embarrassed in what way?
A: Realized how stupid she looked and two faced also. Usually when
contact with you it is because of embarrassment.
Q: (L) Why did she stop contacting V__?
A: V____ is connected to you.
Q: (L) Is S____ still having serious problems at this time?
A: S____ is having problems she perceives as serious.
Q: (L) But they are not, is that correct?
Q: (L) How does J___ W___ really feel about me and Freddie?
A: Questions your intent.
Q: (L) In what respect? Does he think I am up to something?
A: Thinks you are volatile.
Q: (L) Am I?
Q: (L) How does he feel about Freddie?
A: Resents him.
Q: (L) Why.
Q: (L) What are J___’s intentions toward me.
A: Make you a follower.
Q: (L) Is he jealous.
Q: (L) Is it because Freddie has a strong mind?
A: Yes. He only wants followers.
Q: (L) I am asking you to help me out here.
A: Can’t help with karmic level 1 processes.
Q: (L) What is a karmic level 1 process?
A: Major predestined lesson or mission.
Q: (L) Are Freddie and I going through all of these things right now
to create some change in our state of being or our living...
A: To open memories, psychic record.
Q: (L) Have we been through these experiences in other lifetimes?
Q: (L) When we do this channeling does it magnetize our bodies to
bring benefits into our lives?
Q: (L) Is this work a destined mission?
Q: (L) If one is in process of fulfilling one’s destiny in terms of
performing a mission, is not the universe capable of meeting one’s
Q: (L) Is this, in fact, going to happen for both of us as we focus
on this work?
A: If you keep pushing forth.
Q: (L) So all the things we are doing now...
A: And coordinate each others input equally.
Q: (L) Did S___ make any money selling her jewelry?
Q: (L) What does S___ think about Freddie?
A: Resents his superior intelligence.
Q: (L) Me?
A: Resents same. Thinks you’re weird.
Q: (L) What does A___ B___ really think about me?
A: Resents your power.
Q: (L) C___ H___?
A: Fears your power. She is misguided.
Q: Okay, thank you for the help.
A: Good Night.
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October 20, 1994
Freddie, Laura, V___
Q: Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: And where are you from?
Q: Last year both V___ and I went to visit a psychic surgeon named
C___. Is this individual legitimate?
A: Not in the way presented.
Q: Does she actually insert her hand into your body and do what she
claims to do?
Q: Is it all faked?
Q: Where does the bloody water come from?
Q: Does Reverend R___ know that she is a fraud?
A: No. She believes her.
Q: Is there any psychic activity that occurs when this woman works
Q: What is the nature of it?
A: Transference of energy.
Q: What is the source or root of this energy?
A: Intense concentration of psychic thought power.
Q: She is not influenced by any negatives such as the Lizzies or
anything like that?
A: Some, for confusion purposes.
Q: So C___ works with the Lizzie energy?
Q: What is the force or background of R___, G___, J___, et al.
A: Bogus but some sincere healing does occur as a result of faith.
Q: In the incident that occurred in the spring at A__ B___’s house
when “Rev. B” came up and sort of zapped me, who or what was behind
that activity and what did he do?
A: Dark energies of terrestrial nature were temporarily concentrated
Q: What was the intent.
A: Harm out of jealousy.
Q: Did they intend to kill me?
Q: Who put this Reverend B up to this activity?
Q: Anybody else involved with her in that decision?
A: Fear reaction to overtaking of influence she wanted.
Q: Is A__ B____ once again involved with the characters at that
Q: What are they up to?
A: Strange thinking patterns.
Q: Why did B___ call V___ the other day?
A: Try to steer her away from you and Fred.
Q: Why does B___ think she has to steer V___ away from me and Fred?
A: You are powerful influence and so is Fred.
Q: What do these people think we are that makes them behave so
fearfully toward us?
A: Don’t agree with your knowledge.
Q: Well, what’s the story here? Am I completely in left field? Is
and them wrong?
A: Close. You are far closer to the supreme truth than they.
Q: Is J___ a good psychic?
A: Like Aunt Clara on Bewitched.
Q: How do aliens control people?
A: Which ones?
Q: How many choices do I have?
Q: Well, how do the grays and Lizzies do it?
A: Mind and body interference with electrical response patterns.
Q: Can they do this remotely?
A: Less effectively.
Q: So they need to work directly on you or be in contact with you by
some means that is somewhat material?
Q: Are there other aliens on the planet abducting people?
A: Much less often.
Q: What was the flying boomerang the kids and I saw last year?
A: Lizard projection multiple reality station.
Q: Did they fly over my house deliberately for me to see them?
Q: What was the purpose of them showing themselves to me?
A: Make you aware of existence.
Q: Why did they want to make me aware of their existence?
A: That is an extremely complicated situation.
Q: Did that little flap that occurred in Pasco county in spring of
1993 happen as a result of Fred’s and my activities?
Q: Was there a craft over my house the night I hypnotized P__ Z___?
A: Tuned into visual stimuli from implants. And Z___ implants
craft of Grays and Lizzies.
Q: Is P__ Z___ under the control of the Lizzies?
Q: How many people are not under the control of the Lizzies
Q: We would like to know what is the origin of the Gypsies.
A: Genes spliced. Slaves of dark forces.
Q: Who are these dark forces?
Q: As what?
Q: Does this brotherhood consist of Lizzies and various humans?
Q: If the Gypsies were gene spliced, who were they gene spliced
A: Alien race, humanoid, and Atlantean drone workers.
Q: What were Atlantean drone workers?
A: Slave people controlled by crystal.
Q: Why do the Gypsies remain so cohesive? Is that genetically
A: Yes. And mind control.
Q: There are legends of half human creatures, minotaurs, centaurs,
etc. Were any of these creatures real?
A: Experiments known as beasts in Atlantis. V___ is part Gypsy.
Q: Does she know it?
Q: Who built the city of
A: Antereans and
early Sumerians. We meant Atlanteans. [Who are the
Q: What is the reason for the enormous proportions of this building?
Q: Who were the giants?
A: Genetic effort to recreate
Q: Did the Atlanteans and Sumerians succeed in recreating the
Q: Why did they build this enormous city?
A: Retarded subjects.
Q: The results of their efforts were retarded?
Q: Why did they build the enormous city?
A: In anticipation of success.
Q: Why would someone come along and build a city of the proportions
of Baalbek in anticipation of a genetic project that could take many
years to accomplish.
A: Project took only three years. Speeded up growth cycle using
hormonal replication procedure. Why failed.
Q: That’s why it failed, because of the speeded up growth?
A: Did not take properly.
Q: What technical means did they use to cut the stones and transport
A: Sound wave focusing.
Q: What happened to interrupt or halt the building of this city?
A: Venus first appearance and pass.
Q: What year was this project brought to a halt?
A: 3218 B.C.
Q: Who built the city of
A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties in to this directly
look at illustrations on stones now.
Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?
A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their
descendants because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.
you said Mohenjo Daro was built by the Lizzies directly. Did they
occupy this city themselves?
Q: When was this city last inhabited continually?
A: 3065 years ago.
Q: When was it built?
A: 6092 years ago.
Q: I would like to go back to the subject of
the Nephilim. Now you
said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to
earth to be enforcers, is that correct?
Q: When were they brought here?
A: 9046 B.C. one reference.
Q: They were giants, is that correct?
Q: They were presented to the people as the representatives, or
“Sons” of God, is that correct?
Q: You say these dudes were 11 to 14 feet tall...
Q: You and the ancient literature say that these
sons of god
intermarried with human women, is that correct?
Q: Did they do that the same way it is done today, that is, sexual
Q: How was it done?
A: Forced insemination.
Q: So, it was artificial insemination?
Q: Were these beings like us, including their sexual
Q: Any significant differences?
A: Three gonads.
Q: Was their sexual apparatus otherwise similar?
Q: Did they mate with human females in a normal way at any time?
Q: Why not?
A: Size difference.
Q: Just for the sake of curiosity, just how different in terms of
A: 23 inches long.
Q: Were they circumcised?
Q: Just what was the origin of the practice of circumcision?
A: Same as all Judaic traditions hygiene.
Q: Where do the Tibetans come from?
Q: Were they special in any way? Hybrids or anything?
A: No. All are hybrids. At some juncture.
Q: What is the origin of the Nubians?
A: Caucus range.
Q: How come they are so terribly black?
A: Genetic mixing.
Q: With what? Anything particularly special about them?
A: East Indian aborigines.
Q: Who was the
Queen of Sheba?
Q: Did a great queen come to visit King Solomon?
A: Alien influence.
Q: Who was Arjuna?
A: Same as Sheba.
Q: Who is Shiva?
A: Indian. High priest influenced by Confederation.
Q: Is Ormethion who the Lizzies worship?
Q: Who do they worship? What do they call their god?
A: Physical universe.
Q: The physical universe is their god?
Q: What happened to K___ W___? [Little girl missing in another
Q: By whom?
A: Demented human named Carl.
Q: What happened to D___ W___ and C___ S___? [Two local men who had
disappeared without a trace several years previously.]
A: Abducted by aliens for experimentation.
Q: Were they killed through these experiments?
Q: How were the walls of Jericho brought down?
Q: What happened to the army of Sennacherib?
A: Destroyed by cosmic rays energy concentration by Lizards.
Q: Is there such a thing as sound that can kill?
A: Yes. Anything properly concentrated can kill.
Q: Are there words that can kill by their simple pronunciation?
Q: Are there words of power that invoke energies by their
Q: Could you tell us any of them?
A: No. You might use unwisely.
Sitchin says that the pyramid was built as a permanent marking
system to navigate the planets of our solar system. Could you give comments on
A: It was not built for that.
Q: Who was
A: Lizard projection.
Q: What is the
A: False rite.
Q: Is there an order of priests to which the original Melchizedek
Q: I had an experience under hypnosis several years ago while in the
mountains of North Carolina. What was that?
A: Soul memory awakening.
Q: What was the significance of the necklace?
A: Symbolic of ability to communicate supreme knowledge.
Q: Another experience on the boat one night, I am remembering now.
What was that event?
Q: What was the source of these two events?
Q: Alright, another event during meditation followed by period of
intense crying. What was this event?
A: Soul cleansing.
Q: The source?
A: Us ridding you of dark influences.
Q: When did the Aryans invade India?
A: 8243 years ago.
Q: Who was there before that?
A: Asian tribes and number 3 prototype.
Q: What is a number 3 prototype?
A: Known as
Q: And what are we?
A: Number 4 types c and d. Translation into English comprehension.
Q: Were the Aryan/Celts the original giants?
Q: What white men were seen in South America and talked to the
tribes there and promised to return one day and were worshipped as
A: Egyptians and Atlantean descendants.
Q: What did the Atlanteans do to bring this karma on us such that
the grays and Lizzies...
A: Worshipped and served self to extreme.
Q: Does the act of channeling actually change our genetics or DNA
or some element around our being in some way that we are not even
A: Steadily yes.
Q: Will this
channeling have effects on us that will cause changes
our lives and lifestyle?
Q: Will there be benefits brought into our lives because of
dedication to this work?
Q: If we dedicate ourselves does this mean that we will be protected
or cared for in any way?
Q: We got some information from the first session when we were
working with S____ which said some awful things about bits of
children's organs were removed etc, what was the source of that
information? Did that come from you guys?
A: Yes. Sorry for shock but necessary for broadening channel.
Q: You say that there is an effort on the part of the
Lizards... Are the Orions and Lizards synonymous?
Q: Okay. You say that there is an effort on the part of these beings
to create a new race. Why do they want or need a new race?
A: Theirs no longer satisfies them.
Q: When we asked you in the session on July 30th where you were from
you said Corsoca, is that correct?
Q: Is that a planet?
Q: What is Corsoca?
A: Point of energy confluence between realms that reflects locator
when we were
Q: When we do this channeling, Fred and I together, is it different
than if Fred were to do it alone?
Q: Okay, when we are doing it together with the board, where are you
in space time relative to us as we sit here?
A: Above at 6000 miles at border between 3 realms.
Q: Once again, you said that if we called on you for help, you would
come if we ask. Is there any special way to call and how can we know
if you answer?
A: Will feel it.
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October, 22 1994
Direct channeling with Fred.
Q: (L) Who is with us?
A: Enduanda and Alorra
Q: (L) What is the significance of the earthquake that occurred a
few months ago that was called the superdeep earthquake that was 400
A: A magma shift caused by gradual heating from within. Just part of
a periodic cycle.
Q: (L) Any other comments on that?
Q: (L) We would like to have comments on the thumping noises
reportedly heard off the coast of California?
A: Expansion of a base.
Q: (L) What kind of base?
A: It’s a transfer center for those beings known as the Grays.
Q: (L) And what was the thumping?
A: They are expanding it.
Q: (L) Is it construction work?
A: Yes except that they are using sound waves to disintegrate rock
in the crust
under the ocean. This disintegration causes the atomic structure of
the particles being disintegrated to completely disappear which has
something to do with why those sounds are heard in that particular
Q: (L) Any other comments?
A: There is some awareness on the part of the U.S. government as to
going on there. They are suspicious.
Q: (L) What was the source of knowledge accessed by
A: Well, he had a unique biochemical composition which allowed for
and closing of his consciousness from outside sources without
interference with his electromagnetic flow stream. It is a very
unique and unusual situation. The first manifestation of this was
when he asked for help. If he had not asked for help from a higher
source, possibly his awareness of his abilities would never have
Q: (L) What is the source of Lama Singh’s knowledge?
A: Lama Singh has studied long and hard in metaphysical fields
meditation and other areas and therefore a doorway or channel can be
opened voluntarily. This requires the cooperation of the host and is
not as easily opened or closed as it was in the case of Cayce.
Q: (L) In terms of access levels, which one of the two had access to
greatest field of subjects or information?
A: Actually Cayce was accessing a somewhat different source, but the
accuracy level and the overall intensity level were greater with
Q: (L) In terms of relationships relative to the Cassiopaean level
how would Cayce and Lama Singh relate?
A: The access level is much greater and broader.
Q: (L) When and how did planet earth acquire its moon?
A: Was caused by the regular passage of a large comet cluster which
gravitational disruption allowing a large chunk of the original
earth’s surface, which was somewhat less solid at that point in
space/time, to break away from the main body and assume a locked in
orbit around the main body.
Q: (L) When did this happen?
A: This occurred approximately 3 billion years ago.
Q: (L) Can a spiritual being become entrapped in physical matter?
A: It’s possible but very unlikely.
Q: (L) Are human beings entrapped in physical matter?
A: By choice.
Q: (L) Why did they make this choice?
A: To experience physical sensations. It was a
group mind decision.
Q: (L) Who was in charge of the group?
A: The group.
Q: (L) Does the interaction between the spirit/soul and the body
physical produce some by-product that is desirable to other beings?
A: Well, all things have desirable consequences as well as
consequences, but it must also be mentioned here that everything
that exists in all realms of the universe can experience existence
in one of only two ways. That would be defined as a long wave cycle
and a short wave cycle. Going back to your previous question about
why humans are “entrapped” in physical existence, which, of course,
is voluntary and chosen, this was due to the desire to change from
the long wave cycle experience of completely what you would call
ethereal or spiritual existence, to the short wave cycle of what you
call physical existence. The difference is that a long wave cycle
involves only very gradual change in evolution in a cyclical manner.
Whereas a short wave cycle involves a duality. And this is the case
with souls in physical bodies as is experienced on this earth plane
because the soul experiences an ethereal state for half the cycle
and a physical state for the other half of the cycle. While these
halves are not measured in time the way you measure time, the
totality of experience is equal in each half. The necessity to form
the short wave cycle was brought about through nature through the
natural bounds of the universe when the group mind of souls chose to
experience physicality as opposed to a completely ethereal
Q: (L) Does this interaction produce a by-product?
A: It produces equal by-products of a positive and negative nature.
Q: (L) And what are these by-products?
A: Which one first?
Q: (L) Positive.
A: Positive by-product is an increase in relative energy which
speeds up the
learning process of the soul and all of it’s one dimensional and two
dimensional interactive partners. In other words, flora and fauna,
minerals, etc. All experience growth and movement towards reunion at
a faster rate on the cycle through this short wave cycle
physical/ethereal transfer. Of a negative nature, it also produces
many negative experiences for these very same entities which
otherwise would not exist because being of a first level and second
level nature, flora and fauna would ordinarily experience a long
term or long wave cycle on the physical plane as opposed to a short
wave cycle physical and ethereal, as they do now because of their
interaction with the human species in its short wave
Q: (L) The comment was made at one point that certain alien beings
abduct humans and subject them to cruel and torturous deaths in
order to create “maximum energy transfer.” In this respect, what is
this maximum energy transfer that occurs during a long, slow,
torturous dying process?
A: Extreme fear and anxiety builds up fear/anxiety energy which is
of a negative nature which fuels the beings that you speak of in that they draw
from that and produce a sort of a fueling energy which keeps them
going as one of their forms of nourishment based on their metabolic
Q: (L) What is their metabolic structure?
A: That is very complex and very difficult to describe because it is
fourth level of density which you do not understand. But, part of
their reason for existence on the fourth level is their ability to
nourish themselves both through ethereal methods and through
physical methods. Therefore, this energy transfer would represent
the ethereal method of nourishment and other means are achieved
Q: (L) What other means?
A: Well, the drinking of blood and blood by-products would be an
Q: (L) Do they do that?
A: Yes, but the manner of intake is different than what you may be
is done through pores.
Q: (L) In what manner?
A: Bathing and then absorbing the necessary products and then
disposing of the
Q: (L) Did Arthur Clarke channel “Childhood’s End”?
A: No. Used imagination.
Q: (L) Is the amnesia related to UFO abductions deliberately induced
or is it a product of the mind’s inability to deal with the event?
A: It is an equal commingling of both.
Q: (L) The part that is deliberately induced, how is that
A: By using a cosmic energy flow to influence memory function
combination of spiritual and chemical interaction.
Q: (L) Can you be more specific?
A: Being more specific would be in another way less specific, but a
good way to
put it is altering the flow of electromagnetic energy in the brain.
Electromagnetic energy, electromagnetism, is the life force that
exists within all that evolves through long wave or short wave
Q: (L) Going back to the beings that absorb nutrients
through their pores, what kind of beings are they?
A: Both those that you describe as the
Lizard Beings and those you
describe as the Grays. This is necessary for their survival in each case. Even
though the Grays are not natural parts of the short wave cycle, but
rather an artificial creation by the Lizard Beings, but nevertheless
they mimic the nourishment functions.
Q: (L) Since they are artificially created by the Lizard beings,
does this mean they have no souls?
A: That’s correct.
Q: (L) How do they function? Are they like robots?
A: They function by interaction with the souls of the Lizard beings.
This technology is extremely far in advance of that with which you are
familiar, but the Gray beings are not only built and designed
artificially, but also function as a projection mentally and
psychically of the Lizard beings. They are like four dimensional
Q: (L) As four dimensional probes, what are their capabilities?
A: They have all the same capabilities of the Lizard beings except
for the fact
that their physical appearance is entirely different and they do not
of their own and also their biological structure is internally
their functioning is the same and in order to remain as projection
also must absorb nutrients in the same fashion both spiritually and
as the Lizard beings do. The reason the negative energy is necessary
that the Lizard beings and the Grays are both living in the fourth
density, which is the highest level of density one can exist in
self as these entities do.
So, therefore, they must absorb negative
because the fourth level of density is the highest example of self
is a negative thought pattern. The fourth level of density is a
from the third level of density. With each progression upward in
the existence for the individual conscious entity becomes less
therefore, the fourth level of density is less difficult to exist in
third, the third is less difficult than the second and so on. It
strain on the soul energy. Therefore, beings existing on the fourth
density can draw from beings existing on the third level of density
in terms of
absorption of negative soul energy. Likewise, beings on the third
level of density can draw from beings on the second level of
density, though this type of drawing is not as necessary but is
This is why human beings existing on the third level
frequently cause pain and suffering to those of the animal kingdom
who exist on the second level of density because you are drawing
negative soul energy as beings who primarily serve self, as you do,
from those on the second level, and on the first, and so on. Now, as
you advance to the fourth level of density which is coming up for
you, you must now make a choice as to whether to progress to service
to others or to remain at the level of service to self. This will be
the decision which will take quite some time for you to adjust to.
This is what is referred to as the “thousand year period.” This is
the period as measured in your calendar terms that will determine
whether or not you will advance to service to others or remain at
the level of service to self. And those who are described as the
Lizards have chosen to firmly lock themselves into service to self.
And, since they are at the highest level of density where this is
possible, they must continually draw large amounts of negative
energy from those at the third level, second level, and so on, which
is why they do what they do.
This also explains why their race is
dying, because they have not been able to learn for themselves how
to remove themselves from this particular form of expression to that
of service to others. And, since they have such, as you would
measure it, a long period of time, remained at this level and, in
fact, become firmly entrenched in it, and, in fact, have increased
themselves in it, this is why they are dying and desperately trying
to take as much energy from you as possible and also to recreate
their race metabolically.
Q: (L) Well, if we are sources of food and labor for them, why don’t
breed us in pens on their own planet?
A: They do.
Q: (L) Well, since there is so many of us here, why don’t they just
move in and
A: That is their intention. That has been their intention for quite
They have been traveling back and forth through time as you know it,
to set things up so that they can absorb a maximum amount of
negative energy with the transference from third level to fourth
level that this planet is going to experience, in the hopes that
they can overtake you on the fourth level and thereby accomplish
1: retaining their race as a viable species
2: increasing their numbers
3: increasing their power
throughout the realm of fourth density
To do all of this they have
been interfering with events for what you would measure on your
calendar as approximately 74 thousand years. And they have been
doing so in a completely still state of space time traveling
backward and forward at will during this work. Interestingly enough,
though, all of this will fail.
Q: (L) How can you be so sure it will fail?
A: Because we see it. We are able to see all, not just what we want
Their failing is that they see only what they want to see. In other
words, it’s the highest manifestation possible of that which you
would refer to as wishful thinking. And, wishful thinking
represented on the fourth level of density becomes reality for that
level. You know how you wishfully think? Well, it isn’t quite
reality for you because you are on the third level, but if you are
on the fourth level and you were to perform the same function, it
would indeed be your awareness of reality. Therefore they cannot see
what we can see since we serve others as opposed to self, and since
we are on sixth level, we can see all that is at all points as is,
not as we would want it to be.
Q: (L) Zecharia
Sitchin proposes that the pyramid was built as a
marking system to navigate the solar system, could you comment on
A: That is incorrect. The pyramids were built as energy storage and
transference facilities. They were built by the descendants of those
known to you as the Atlanteans who are, of course, your ancestors in
soul matters. They were not built to be markers for anything.
Q: (L) Did any aliens at all, and specifically the Lizzies, ever
mankind and receive worship?
A: They did not live among mankind, but they did interact directly
with human beings, at various points in the past. It was at those points when
human beings were ready, willing and able to accept deities
appearing directly from outside sources and then worship them. Such
things would not have occurred in the recent past. But, beware, it
may very well occur very soon.
Q: (L) Who made the
Nazca lines in
South America and what was their purpose?
A: Those were natives living in the area at the particular time who
were highly advanced spiritually and they put those lines there to call to
others that were coming from what they perceived to be an outer
Q: (L) Were they symbols of power in any way?
A: Well, some may have perceived them as such but they were mainly
an effort to call forth those who had been worshipped and had appeared to them
previously from the outside including not only the Lizard Beings,
but other travelers.
Q: (L) Who built the city of
A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built
Q: (L) Who built the city of Mohenjo Daro?
A: That also was built by the
Lizard Beings directly.
Q: (L) Did they live in these cities?
A: No, as stated before, they did not live there, they visited or
occupied on a temporary basis, but did not live there.
Q: (L) Who did they build the cities for?
A: They built the cities for themselves and their worshippers
Q: (L) In an earlier reading, the question was asked as to what
planet you are from, and the response was Corsoca. The question was
then asked: “Can you be more specific?” and the answer was 2 dilor.
Is this an incorrect spelling or what does this mean?
A: That which you refer to as Corsoca is actually not what you would
refer to as
a planet in your understanding, because you must understand it is at
the sixth level of density which is completely out of reach of any
of your senses except for the sixth one, therefore you do not have
any concept of the level of being at that density. So, the term
“planet” simply cannot apply here. But, that is, indeed, our
residence. But it is best left at that because to try to explain to
you what exactly it is like there would not be possible for you to
Q: (L) Alright. You mentioned in this earlier reading
something about a “Denver Airport Scandal”. Recently it has come to
my attention that this is a possible development. Is this scandal
going to develop into a far worse situation and, if so, what are the
A: Yes, that will be an ongoing problem, to say the least.
Q: (L) Are there any rituals that can be performed to provide
protection for one against intrusion by the Lizzies.
A: Rituals are self-defeating.
Q: (L) Are there any technological means we can use?
A: The only defense needed is
knowledge. Knowledge defends you
against every possible form of harm in existence. The more knowledge you have, the
less fear you have, the less pain you have, the less stress you
feel, the less anguish you feel, and the less danger you experience
of any form or sort. Think of this very carefully now for this is
very important: Where is there any limitation in the concept behind
the word “knowledge”? Being that there is no limitation, what is the
value of that word? Infinite. Can you conceive of how that one
concept, that one meaning frees you from all limitation? Use your
sixth sense to conceive of how the word, the term, the meaning of
knowledge can provide with all that you could possibly ever need. If
you think carefully you will begin to see glimpses of how this is
true in its greatest possible form.
Q: (L) Does this include
knowledge learned from books?
A: This includes all possible meanings of the concept of the word.
Q: (L) Can you think of how it would be that simply with one term,
this one word
can carry so much meaning? We sense that you are not completely
aware. You can
have glimpses of illumination and illumination comes from knowledge.
strive perpetually to gain and gather knowledge, you provide
protection from every possible negative occurrence that could ever
you know why this is?
A: The more knowledge you have, the more
awareness you have as to how to protect yourself. Eventually this
awareness becomes so powerful and so all encompassing that you do
not even have to perform tasks or rituals, if you prefer, to protect
yourself. The protection simply comes naturally with the awareness.
Q: (L) Does knowledge have a substance or an existence apart from
its possession or its acceptance?
A: Knowledge has all substance. It goes to the core of all
Q: (L) So acquiring knowledge includes adding substance to one’s
A: Indeed. It includes adding everything to one’s being that is
also, when you keep invoking the light, as you do, truly understand
that the light is knowledge. That is the knowledge which is at the
core of all existence. And being at the core of all existence it
provides protection from every form of negativity in existence.
Light is everything and everything is knowledge and knowledge is
everything. You are doing extremely well in acquiring of knowledge.
Now all you need is the faith and realization that acquiring of
knowledge is all you need.
Q: (L) I just want to be sure that the source that I am acquiring
from is not a deceptive source.
A: If you simply have faith, no knowledge that you could possibly
possibly be false because there is no such thing. Anyone or anything
that tries to give you false knowledge, false information, will
fail. The very material substance that the knowledge takes on, since
it is at the root of all existence, will protect you from absorption
of false information which is not knowledge. There is no need to
fear the absorption of false information when you are simply openly
seeking to acquire knowledge. And knowledge forms the protection—all
the protection you could ever need.
Q: (L) There are an awful lot of people who are being open and
having faith who are getting zapped and knocked on their rears.
A: No. That is simply your perception. What you are failing to
that these people are not really gathering knowledge. These people
are stuck at some point in their pathway to progress and they are
undergoing a hidden manifestation of what is referred to in your
terms as obsession. Obsession is not knowledge, obsession is
stagnation. So, when one becomes obsessed, one actually closes off
the absorption and the growth and the progress of soul development
which comes with the gaining of true knowledge. For when one becomes
obsessed one deteriorates the protection therefore one is open to
problems, to tragedies, to all sorts of difficulties. Therefore one
Q: (L) While we are on the subject of knowledge and experiencing
things that may
or may not be pleasant, I would like to ask for Fred what it is he
needs to learn?
A: He is moving in the right direction at the present time even
though he is not
completely aware of that fact. He can appear to be under more stress
than he actually is and also he has an extreme store of innate
information which is one reason why we are able to work through him
because we opened those channels a long time ago. Interestingly
enough, though you are not aware of it, your own existence has been
influenced by this very same factor.
Q: (L) Which factor?
A: The natural progression being experienced by the one you know as
Q: (L) In what respect?
A: You are being driven and you are driving yourself in the right
because of your interaction with this individual even though you are
not completely aware of that fact, that is, in fact, what is
Q: (L) What caused Fred to spend so many years interacting with a
person such as
A: That was part of the learning process and was also Karmic in
Q: (L) And what brought that whole situation to a halt?
A: It was time to end.
Q: (L) During a previous reading we asked several questions about
Nazareth known as the Christ. The question was asked: “Was Jesus
is, Christed, in some way?” The answer came back was: “Quick
exalted; wars; civil entrancement. Zindar council.” I would like to
know the meaning of these references.
A: Quick exalted refers to a sudden boost of awareness level as
related to your
previous questions about knowledge. Sometimes that acquisition can
occur in a surge and sometimes this is referred to as illumination.
Jesus acquired his knowledge by having complete faith in his ability
to acquire the knowledge from a higher source. This faith caused an
equal balancing interaction with higher sources, which allowed him
to gain supreme knowledge simply by having that faith. Remember that
the resources for the acquisition of knowledge in the space/time era
of Christ were much more limited than they are now. There were few
options open for acquiring true knowledge except total and complete
faith. And this one was instilled with the awareness that total and
complete faith would cause dramatic and spectacular acquisition of
knowledge; also would cause dramatic and spectacular progression of
the soul being. Therefore, the faith was felt, the knowledge was
Q: (L) What was the source of the knowledge?
A: The source was the sixth level of density which is where we
reside and we
also were involved in that as well.
Q: (L) What does the term “Civil entrancement” mean?
A: Civil entrancement is a complete balancing of one’s useful
energies to a
level where there is no experiencing of over balancing on the
positive or negative side which is preferable for meditation in a
Q: (L) What is the Zendar Council?
A: Zendar Council is a sixth level density council which spans both
ethereal realms and which oversees dramatic development points at
various civilizational sectors in lower density levels.
Q: (L) I would like you to expound a bit on the life of
chronology of events. Could you tell us about his understanding
about himself, his interaction with higher sources, his state of
being Christed, and what was the true work he came her to do and how
did he accomplish it?
A: His awareness of who and what he was gradually came as he grew.
taught by us through his faith as described previously. And you
should have faith as well because you would find things would come
to you as “knowings” more often than even now. Jesus awareness of
his mission and his actions pertaining to it were part of the
natural progression of his growth and development. The information
about his “miracles” has been largely corrupted by writings which
have been passed down after the actual event period.
Most of these
writings are by entities who wish to confuse and corrupt all
humanity for previously stated purposes. The idea was that if one
perceived Jesus as performing physical miracles, then your entire
understanding of what the life experience here on earth and on this
plane is, and the meaning for it all, is also corrupted and the
knowledge is blocked which is the goal of those who have done this.
Jesus’ purpose and plan was to teach knowledge to all who sought but
did not have the strength to express as great a level of faith as he
had to acquire the knowledge as he did from higher sources. If they
were open and willing to learn they could be taught by hearing. He
had only very limited success in imparting faith to others because
faith comes solely from within and that is one of the most difficult
things for beings on your plane to acquire.
Q: (L) Now, it has been discussed before that Jesus was probably the
a genetically selected impregnation, could you comment on this and
why this would be.
A: There was no genetic selection of the impregnation. That is
Q: (L) Okay, then what was it?
A: It was a
Q: (L) Well what I meant was that the person was selected to be the
A: Well, that is always the case in every single birth that occurs
in your level
Q: (L) Could you comment on the idea that is implicit in this that
A: Obviously if one feels that this would put a shadow or stain on
him in some
way, or the knowledge that he imparted, then you have not been
paying attention. Did you not hear what was said about obsession as
opposed to knowledge? Those who are truly, within themselves, at all
points of development, trying to seek greater knowledge, will not be
blocked by any ideas relating to illegitimacy as you refer to it.
Those who are obsessed, by choice, rather than trying to seek true
knowledge, will indeed be blocked at that point. It is all up to the
choice of the individual. If you choose to develop and gain
knowledge then you are never blocked or obsessed at any point about
However if you choose to limit your knowledge or
become obsessed then you are constantly finding yourself blocked and
this will manifest in all your life experiences. That is part of the
individual soul development pattern. It is all based on choice.
Therefore it is not possible for you to interfere with another’s
choice to acquire knowledge or not and how it is or is not done.
There is no need to try to alter another’s perceptions because that
would be to interfere with free will. If one chooses to be obsessed
rather than to be illumined, that is their choice!
Q: (L) We talked about the planet Martek. Is this an ancient human
Mars or is it an Alien designation?
A: Combination of both as were many things at various levels of the
of your history.
Q: (L) The remark was made that the planet earth, prior to its
Martek, had a water vapor canopy. How was this water vapor canopy
A: The water vapor canopy was a natural element of the particular
your atmosphere at that particular measure point in space/time.
Q: (L) Was the gravity level the same as what it is now?
A: It was somewhat different. But not perceptible to you. That
part of the explanation of why that vapor canopy remained suspended.
Q: (L) Did that condition prior to the flood of Noah, the altered
state as well as the water vapor canopy, was that condition more
conducive to extended life spans than the conditions that exist on
the planet now?
A: Not only those things but all the other conditions that existed
on the planet
at that particular point in space/time were more conducive to longer
And, by the way, Noah is a symbolic message rather than an
Q: (L) Do you mean a historical event in the terms of Noah being in
an ark or
historical event in terms of the flood?
A: First of all, there was no Noah. Secondly
there was no actual
real flood as depicted in that story. Thirdly, the whole story was a symbolic
message as opposed to an actual event.
Q: (L) What did actually occur and what does the symbolism have to
A: It is a very broad representation. It simply means that
cataclysmic event that did envelop the whole planet at that time and
that those that were ready to experience that as part of their soul
development without exiting the body, were warned ahead of time. But
not by trying to manipulate events, but by simply allowing faith to
let them acquire knowledge and being naturally drawn into position
to experience what they needed to experience to survive the event.
Q: (L) At that time was Martek drawn close to the earth and did it
have water on
its surface which the earth then robbed or borrowed?
A: That is very close to being the case. It is far more complicated
so we will leave that at this time.
Q: (L) Tell me about the
A: That was a race of beings in the third level of density which
came from an
actual planet at another point in this particular galaxy also in the
third level of density, who were taken, or shall we say kidnapped,
reprogrammed and retrained by the Lizard Beings to act as enforcers
during a particular era of what you would measure as your past.
Q: (L) What era was that?
A: That was an era... it would have been approximately 8 to 5
thousand years ago
but there are also dates relating to 12 to 14 thousand years ago and
Dating system is not ours and does not exist for us.
Q: (L) For how many years did these beings exist on our earth?
A: Approximately 15 to 18 hundred years. They died off because they
were not able to reproduce naturally in the atmosphere of the earth and
experimentation to try to cause them to intermix with the human
population did not succeed.
Q: (L) When did the last of them die
A: Probably near 6 to 7 thousand years ago. But there is also a
reference point of 12 to 14 thousand years as well.
Q: (L) What was the name of the planet they came from?
Q: (L) Where was this planet located?
A: This planet was located in the
Q: (L) After the “flood of Noah” approximately how many people
survived that cataclysm on the whole earth?
A: Approximately 19 million.
Q: (L) Why did the population of the earth continue to decline from
A: Because of disease and inability to adjust due to artificial
the genetic pool.
Q: (L) What did the tower of Babel look like?
A: Looked very similar to your Washington monument. Which
re-creation is an
ongoing replication of a soul memory.
Q: (L) Would the great pyramid in Egypt still work if someone knew
how to use it?
A: It still works today even though it isn’t being artificially
used. It was also a preservative chamber. If you were to walk inside the confines
of the great pyramid and then leave the body, your body would retain
its structure for quite some time. This ability has contributed to
the preservation of the actual structure.
Q: (L) What did the original face on the sphinx look like?
A: Looked like a representation of a feline and a human.
Q: (L) At one point in a previous transmission it was stated that
the Lizard beings altered the human race after a battle for their
own “feeding” purposes. Could you clarify this?
A: It would not be possible for these beings to completely control
existence. If it were you would not be able to do the things your
race has done. There has been interference by the Lizard beings in
the physical structure of the human beings for their own benefit.
Remember what we told you before. They have been interfering with
the time cycle experienced on this plane, for quite some time as you
measure it. For 74 thousand years they have been interfering in a
backwards and forwards time reference manner in order to set up
circumstances that they perceive to be beneficial for them in the
measure of time that you would consider to be forward, that is, in
the future. They have been going backwards and forwards in time to
do this. They are suspended in the time cycle as they do this. So
what they perceive as being your equivalent of one hour could be as
long as 74 thousand years.
Q: (L) So they haven’t been here for 300 thousand years?
A: They originally set up circumstances for their benefit 309
thousand years ago, however, they have been using the particular bracketed period
of the 74 thousand year period alter things in all the various ways
Q: (L) Now you mentioned the creators of your group as the super
ancestors called the transient passengers, what is the meaning of
this term and who are these beings?
A: Transient passengers are not beings. Transient Passengers are
Q: (L) Why are they called transient passengers?
A: Because they transit all forms of reality. And they spring forth
Unified form of existence.
Q: (L) The planet that was destroyed between Jupiter and Mars that
we now know
as the asteroid belt, you said was destroyed by psychic energy.
Could you clarify that?
A: The occupants of that planet, many of whom are your soul
decided to develop a service to self atmosphere that was so super
charged in the
negative that it actually caused their home planet to be destroyed
because the energy levels became so intense crashing back upon
themselves that they actually destroyed the atomic structure of the
planet, causing it to physically explode.
Q: (L) Was this done
technologically or was it strictly done by mind power?
A: They are one and the same.
Q: (L) Did they do something like drop bombs?
A: No, no. This was done by psychic energy. There has been in a
transient fashion of reality the danger of the same thing happening on your
planet. Although we are quite confident it won’t because we see all
reality, past present and future. But, you must understand also that
even in our particular perspective point, all reality is nonetheless
fluid. There are still many choices of realities and possible
futures and possible pasts and possible presents. But we feel fairly
confident that that particular fate will not befall your planet,
although it did the one then known as Kantek.
Q: (L) On a couple of
occasions it has been mentioned that Yasser Arafat was a fifth
density soul and that he was a descendant of Jesus of Nazareth. What
is there about him that demonstrates these qualities or these
A: Have you not seen? Imagine what it would be like to be Yasser
at your perception. What is he doing now?
Q: (L) Well the pro-Jewish point of view is not favorable to him.
A: Well, what you describe as pro anything is an obsession. And, as
obsession blocks knowledge which in turn blocks the ability to
protect oneself against negative occurrences. Not a good idea. If
you were following circumstances, Yasser Arafat is now trying to
take the world upon his shoulders by making peace with the Israelis
who have been enemies for a very long time. And, therefore, he is
now a peace maker and knowledge dispenser.
Q: (L) In that particular
conflict between the Jews and the Arabs, which side has the greater
A: All sides have equal validity. It is only with individuals we
negativity or positivity.
Q: (L) In discussion of a purported crash of a space craft in
Roswell, it was remarked that this crash was caused by ionization.
Could you be more specific?
A: That reference simply means the bouncing of what you call radar
beams off of
the ions existing in the atmosphere at the time, caused
electromagnetic disturbance which interfered the gravitational
balancing system of that particular craft.
Q: (L) Why were the ions present at that time and not at other
A: The ions were charged at that time because of storm activity.
Q: (L) You said that there were bodies recovered by the government.
How many bodies were recovered?
A: Three dead and one still in operation.
Q: (L) How long did the one live?
A: Remained in operation for approximately 3 and a half years. It
was a robotic
biogenetic being rather than a soul encompassing physical existence.
Q: (L) Did the government know that it was a robotic being?
Q: (L) Do they still think it was a living being?
A: The government is not one individual. Some are now aware that
biogenetic engineered beings.
Q: (L) In another transmission we were told that we would receive
from a different being each time of contact in order to get good
Why is this?
A: That is to make sure that balance and equilibrium is maintained
informational sources are fresh in the interaction between the giver
and the receiver.
Q: Well, that is it for tonight. Thank you.
A: Good Night.
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