An Ancient Alien Spacecraft On The Backside Of The Moon
Spaceship On The Moon
With William Rutledge, Member Of The Apollo 20 Crew
According to William Rutledge in August 1976 there was a classified
the “Apollo 20”, which explored a huge alien
by Luca Scantamburlo
May 25, 2007
Italian journalist and freelancer
with William Rutledge, an “Apollo 20” astronaut (1976)
Interview carried out by YouTube Account /General Messages
May 25, 2007
A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an
American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it
possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal
Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions
of overhead reconnaissance, “were declassified in September 1992”
(according to its official website). And is it really possible that
such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien
spaceship found on the backside of the Moon?
William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who
lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF)
is the name of the “deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been
disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic
material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo 20 space mission.
user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”, and the most amazing footage
he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien
spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew.
Frames from the beginning of the controversial “Apollo 20 footage”
See below video
The last official space mission to the Moon with crew was the
17 (NASA), which took place in December 1972, and the Apollo 20
mission was cancelled by NASA in January 1970.
But the presumed
footage of Apollo 20 is not the only material which came out in the
last weeks: it was also released by William Rutledge a presumed
studio for the flyover of the assumed alien spaceship (see below
video from YouTube of the so-called Preflight Study for Apollo 20).
moreover on YouTube we have also several shots of the strange object
on the backside of the Moon (whose numbers would be AS20-1020,
AS20-1022 and AS20-FWD-7250).
According to the YouTube file-card on
William Rutledge, who uploaded the controversial footages and shots,
“Apollo 20 went to the moon august 16 1976. Destination was Iszak D,
southwest of Delporte Crater,
farside of the moon. The mission was
soviet-american. Crew was William Rutledge CDR, former of bell
laboratories, Leona Snyder CSP bell laboratories, and Alexei Leonov,
soviet cosmonaut former "Apollo Soyouz" (mission one year earlier).”
Presumed photo taken by Apollo 20 (1976?) Official NASA photo
Click above image to enlarge
AS15-P-9630), Apollo 15 (1971)
There are a few inconsistencies in William Rutledge’s memories that
you can find in reading this interview. It could be comprehensible
if you think about an old man (76 years old) who is trying to recall
historical facts and events of his life. So, I am not astonished if
Rutledge, for instance in talking about the former Russian President
Boris Yeltsin who used tanks and troops during the assault to the
Parliament building, recalled the years 1995 or 1994 when the exact
year of the small civil war was 1993 ([…]
“I went to the Ural in
1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was
a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian
parliament” by W. Rutledge, from the answer nr.8 of the interview).
I verified it later on an encyclopedia, but I could not answer
before to such a question. I remembered only it occurred at the
beginning of the ‘90s.
On the other hand William Rutledge showed me a knowledge of Geology,
Chemistry and of space exploration history, using specific terms.
For example, he mentioned in the interview a not well-know term: the
“feldspathoid", a “mineral consisting of an aluminous silicate that
has too little silica to form feldspar” (Webster’s Third New
International Dictionary”, Könemann, 1993,pag. 835).
So, I have good grounds for believing William Rutledge’s testimony:
first of all there really is (was?) a strange and big object on the
far side of the Moon, and its shape is very close to that one showed
in the video on YouTube: I am talking about the object visible in a
couple of NASA pictures taken by the Apollo 15 mission. The
cigar-shaped object looks like leant beside a crater, lightly
oblique; and the visible zone in the footage is very similar to the
visible region in some originals NASA photos taken by Apollo 15: the
Moon region coordinates where there is the unusual object are the
following: Latitude: 10° S - Longitude: 117.5° E, Southwest of Delporte and North of Izsak.
I have checked on a Lunar chart: it is
the backside of the Moon.
ALIEN SPACESHIP'S COORDINATES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE MOON
I've done a mistake in providing the Moon region coordinates of the
cigar-shaped object: according to the dialogues between the Apollo
20 crew from the LM-15 and the Vandenberg AFB, the exact coordinates
of the presumed alien spaceship on the backside of the Moon are the
following: Nose: 17.3 deg S, 117.62 deg E ; Cockpit: 17.25 deg S,
117.62 deg E; see below the subtitles of the "ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON
flyover bef. landing APOLLO 20", video footage posted on YouTube on
May 4, 2007, by William Rutledge (user name: retiredafb).
June 14, 2007
The official NASA photos are available on the website of the
and Planetary Institute (LPI, in Houston), which is a “research
institute that provides support services to NASA and the planetary
science community”: the pictures are the AS15-P-9630
and the AS15-P-9625, from the the Apollo Image Atlas.
AS15-P-9625, Apollo Image Atlas
AS15-P-9630, Apollo Image Atlas
Moreover, it is meaningful that the links were provided by
Rutledge (how did he know the details of those panoramic picture?).
A second reason, in my opinion, is that William Rutledge is not
gaining money from doing that. A third reason is the detailed story
he told me in the following interview, full of technical and other
specific aspects coherent among them. There are just some incomplete
biographical notes about the famous NASA astronauts. But he answered
kindly to every single question I have put to him, without
hesitation, and he provided several names of the presumed American
and Soviet people involved in that classified space mission. Some of
them are still alive. It could be interesting to be able having a
comment from them.
The fourth reason is the quality of the footages on YouTube, which
seem consistent with a shot equipment available during the ‘70s and
the first ‘80s. I asked to an expert in shot, an Italian friend of
mine whose name initials are F.D.
His comment about the footage
spread by William Rutledge was the following:
“[…] i punti luce sovraesposti e la relativa 'scia' presentano tutte
le caratteristiche dei difetti delle telecamere basate su tubo di
tipo VIDICON. La 'scia' consiste in una persistenza del segnale
video all'interno del tubo. […] Nonostante quest'ultimo sia un
sistema di ripresa televisivo obsoleto, oggi la ditta Hamamatsu (www.hamamatsu.com)
realizza telecamere VIDICON all'infrarosso.
In English it means:
“[…] the overexposed light points and the relative trail show all
the features of the TV cameras faults based on VIDICON-type tube.
The ‘trail’ is composed of a persistence of the video signal inside
the tube. […] In spite this one is an obsolete TV shot system, today
the Hamamatsu firm (www.hamamatsu.com) makes infrared VIDICON
And, as a matter of fact, among the several different varieties of
photographic equipment aboard the Apollo 17, there was a
Westinghouse color TV camera, which could used in the command
module, handheld or bracket-mounted. It is almost obvious thinking
a similar camera equipment for the presumed Apollo 20, taken
place in 1976 according to William Rutledge.
The Space Shuttle Launch Sites and the Vandenberg Air Force Base, in
In any case, the public will be the first judge of this story, which
could become in the near future the definitive proof that we are not
alone in the Universe.
ZOOM-AS15-P-9625.jpg – NASA, Apollo 15
Analysis using the Gimp Software- by L. Scantamburlo
FOREWORD FOR THE READERS
In the following interview granted by William Rutledge who lives now
in Africa, I have corrected (where I could) the orthographical
mistakes that there were in the answers (e.g. I put the right
capital letters and the right apostrophes), but I did not change the
syntactical construction of the sentences made by William Rutledge.
Where I was not able to understand his words, I put some dots
between square brackets.
W. Rutledge told me he is now an old man with some problems to the
his articulations; moreover, William explained to me that he’s
always nervous when he writes. That’s why on YouTube you can find
some mistakes in his comments (user name: retiredafb) posted with
Anyway, here you are some words written by him for the
foreword to the following interview:
“I don’t use English since 1990 but Kinyarwanda and French, and I
write quickly, sometimes letters are missing because I’m busy
writing the next one, or it is another on the keyboard which is
used, but that’s a detail…”
L.S. First of all I want to thank you for your time and
availability. It means a lot for me and, I guess, for all the people
around the world, very curious about what it is going on YouTube
after the release of your amazing video footages and information on
the presumed “Apollo 20” space mission. Now we can begin our
interview. Because of my professional activity, I will start from a
skeptical point of view. So please, I kindly ask you to understand
it. You will have the space to answer and for explaining your
What is your name? How old are you and are you an American citizen?
Sometimes your written English contains some orthographical
mistakes… Are you forgetting your language rules (e.g., you wrote
“maicroscope” instead of “microscope”)? Somebody on the Web said you
do not seem (considering your writings) an American-English native
W.R. I'm not offended, I like to answer to skeptics, you cannot
imagine what kind of messages I receive. That’s my name, William
Rutledge, no Standford Rutledge, it's another one. Born in 1930 in
Belgium, American citizen, I know about mistakes, I'm writing too
fast with arthrose problems and I'm always nervous when I'm writing,
it's like trying to contain a flow of water. I'm not accustomed to
speak in English anymore since 1990. I have learned Kinyarwanda and
use French, sometimes German because Rwanda is a former
L.S. How long have you been living in Rwanda and why did you move
W.R. It's a woman who brought me to Rwanda, maybe I was searching
for somebody like one person who shared my life before. Personally
speaking, I have always been sensible to Africa born women. (Buzz Aldrin was also sensible, he was the only astronaut participating in
a walk after martin Luther King's death, it’s not a well known
story). I established myself with a new identity in Kigali in 1990,
streets have no names here. I stayed in Nyiamirambo quarter till
1994, war pushed me to the north west of the country, near the Congo
Kinshasa frontier. Rwandan authorities do not know my past, my
L.S. Can you tell me anything about your life? Where are you
from? Where did you study ?
W.R. I've written on this on my others answers, Avro, Chance Vought,
just consider that USAF uses every person who can bring skills,
white, black, woman, every citizen. It was different with NASA, all
astronauts were West Point students, only Alan Bean was an artist,
Armstrong was a philosopher and Aldrin a spiritual man.
L.S. How did you become an astronaut with NASA (I suppose) in the
W.R. NASA didn't employ me, USAF did, I had worked on the study of
foreign technology, RUSSIAN only, study about the N1 project, AJAX
plane project and the Mig Foxbat 25. I had some skills for using
computer navigation and was a volunteer for the MOL-Gemini project.
USAF recalled that, I have been chosen later for Apollo 20 because I
was one of the rare pilot who didn't believe in God (it has changed
since 1990) but it was a criterion in 1976. It was not the status of
the NASA astronauts. Not believing in God made the difference.
L.S. Can you prove who you are with some photos or documents of
yours, taken during the training by NASA or even before, during your
work at the Bell Laboratories? Can you send them to me as
attachments, for a publication?
W.R. Yes, I will put them online, but I will focus on
Leonov, to end
L.S. When and above all why did you decide to disclose these
information about classified space missions and is there anybody who
is protecting you?
W.R. It's the announcement of "the wonder of it all" maybe, and
is coming fast. I also think that UFOs will appear more often
starting from September 2007. A lot of people died around me in
Rwanda, and I have more time to take care of this. About protection,
please understand it's hard to speak of my armory.
L.S. After the “Apollo 20” mission, taken place in August 1976
according to the information you have provided, what did you do and
when did you leave the U.S.A.?
W.R. After Apollo 20, several things happened, I was not aware of
how the material collected would be used. I thought Space Shuttle
was a bad idea, I’ve worked on the KH 11 project before retiring.
L.S. In your writings provided on YouTube you mentioned the
members of the “Apollo 20” crew: among them there is the former
Soviet cosmonaut, Alexei Leonov. I remember he is still alive. Does
he know what you are doing on the Web? Did you talk with him before
April 2007 and if the answer is no, aren’t you afraid about what he
could do or tell?
W.R. Leonov is not aware of all this, I cannot contact him,
contacts were completely lost in 1982-1984, I went to the Ural in
1995 or 1994, can't recall, responding to an invitation, but it was
a mess here, I crossed Moscow when tanks were shooting the Russian
parliament. Cant' imagine his reaction. If he discovers the videos
without preparation, he can confirm or leave at once. If he is
warned, and prepared, he can deny.
L.S. A question about the dialogues subtitles on the “spaceship
footage”: did you make them or did somebody else make them? There
are some mistakes (e.g., the personal pronoun is “I”, with the
capital letter, not “i” as there is written). What about the
original dialogues? Were there in the footage? Did you have problems
with the codecs during the transfer?
W.R. Yes, plenty of problems, subtitles are made just before
transfer, I have to work with the distance, I'll be back in Rwanda
in July. I asked to put the flyover very quickly, they made the
subtitles in one hour, buried instead of burried, aperture to 1.8 is
not at the right place, there are mistakes but is does not shock me.
The Apollo 11 mention at the beginning of the film surprised me, it
is on the original film, one internaut signaled that to me. The
films are not the first generation, some of them were copied in 1982
I'm sure of this, some have a blue background from the end of the
L.S. There are in the dialogues between the astronauts and the
Mission Control, some expressions that I do not understand: for
instance, “CSM”, “DSKY” and “Vandenberg Twenty”. I could think that
“DSKY” is about the position on the Moon (close to the Izsak crater)
and that the “Vandenberg Twenty” is about the Mission Control,
located by the Vandeberg Air Force Base, in California. Can you
W.R. CSM is Command Service Module,
DSKY was the computer "display
keyboard", we used many acronyms. AGC is Apollo Guidance Computer,
same that DSKY, but located in the Apollo spacecraft and coupled
with a telescope ( […] on the LM).
In some videos, the first image you see is the DSKY panel with lines
prog indicates the program running verb and noun verb indicates what
the DSKY has to do and show. Before filming I had to enter verb 15
(display MET, mission elapsed time, or hours minutes seconds since
lift-off, then noun 65 for displaying on there rows, hours on the
first line minutes on the second, and seconds/tens of seconds on the
third line). Then in every movie we put the date on the beginning of
the shot, MET, Mission Elapsed Time, hours since lift-off. In the
flyover movie, the computer indicates 144 hours if I remember.
Capcom (CC) is the function of the unique officer charged of
transmission to astronauts. He gathers all information and transmit
them to the astronauts, news from the ground, instructions for the
corrections, wake up calls, three persons relay.
The syntax was "Vandenberg" calling Vandenberg next "twenty" a call
from twenty. Inverted when starting from Earth: Capcom-Twenty or
sometimes EEcom-Twenty Guido - Twenty when we had a special work to
do, docking, correction. When undocking was made the communications
were different. Vandenberg Constellation (name of the Apollo
spacecraft); Vandenberg Phoenix (name of the LM). The Apollo 19
Apollo spacecraft was Endymion and Artemis was the Lunar Module
L.S. I would like to know something more about the preparation
of the “Apollo 20” mission. From where and when the Saturn rocket
was launched and how many people were involved in that classified
mission. Can you do some names?
W.R. 300 people were involved on the preparation, but more other
witnesses in Vandenberg. It was launched from this AFB. More
witnesses, yes, many people saw departures in the sky, cameras were
forbidden all around the Vandenberg site, but today a lot of Space
spotters film every launch of Delta rockets, from towns. Other
people saw this launch but not knowing it was a Saturn 5. One
internaut viewing the launch video says this launch is a Saturn 1B.
If today, with all available information, somebody makes such a
mistake, you can image how it was in 1976. The preparation was long,
subject of cancellations, new starts. Russians had the first
information since 1966, I don't know what was their source.
L.S. Can you tell me anything about the Russian collaboration to
W.R. James Chipman Fletcher for USA and
Valentin Alexeiev for
Russia, Werner Von Braun was one of the happy viewer. Capcom were
Charles Peter Conrad and James Irwin.
L.S. Tell me something about the “Apollo 18” and the “Apollo 19”
missions; specially about the last one and its failure. Was it a
classified mission with the same goal of the “Apollo 20”? Tell me
about your ex girlfriend, Stephanie Ellis, “first American woman in
Space” according to what you wrote to me in a former letter. The
official space history does not include her as astronaut…
W.R. Apollo 18 was the Apollo-Soyuz project, the honeymoon before a
moon landing mission, it was presented as a simple "shaking hands"
mission in 1975. Apollo 19 and 20 were hazardous missions. On long
duration flight the helium pressure was too high on the LEM, a
security disk had to burst if pressure was going high, but motor was
unusable after. So it was changed on Apollo 19 and 20, but not
tested in Space before. It was ok, but… in the paper. However, we
got no problem with it. It was a long mission, 7 days scheduled on
the Moon, every ray of light was used till ascent.
Apollo 19 had a loss of telemetry, a brutal end of mission without
data. Now the truth is unknown but it seems that it was a natural
phenomenon, a collision with a "quasi-satellite", like Cruithne, or
a meteor (the probability is higher I think). The goal was the same,
the landing site was the same, the exploration program was
different, they had a big job to do with the rover, exploring the
roof of the ship by climbing on the "Monaco hill", (I'll have to put
a lunar map online). NO American astronaut is listed, I discovered
since may that many people find many William Rultledge in NASA. I
can be found in the list of the Test pilots of Chance Vought, on the
consultant list of the James Forrestal Center, I was involved in
fluid mechanics. My boss was Bogdanoff (nothing in common with the
Stephanie Ellis was born in Abidjan (Ivory Coast) in 1946, arrived
in America at the age of 7 months. She was a LM specialist, she
worked with Grumman Bethpage for new implementations on the
navigation system of the LM (Note that LM15 was officially
destructed by Grumman). She contributed to debug the Luminary
program, who was never bug free. Apollo 19 and 20 had serious
problems with docking and rendezvous. Her technical knowledge was
as deep as Roger Chaffee. She was a wonderful and funny person. I
have some pictures of her in the LEM and Ingress 16 mm footage. I'll
not show the other members of the crew.
Russian collaborations: I don't know how, but Russian were informed
of the presence of a ship on the far side. Luna 15 in July 1969
crashed just at the South of the nose of the ship. It was a probe
similar to Ranger or Lunar Orbiter. They provided maps, precise
charts of this area. The center of decision was located in the Ural,
in the town of Sverdlovsk. The chief of the program was professor
Valentin Alekseiev, who became later president of the academy of
science in Ural. Leonov was chosen because of his popularity in the
communist leading staff, and secondary only because he was on
Apollo-Soyuz. In 1994, I met again Valentin Alekseiev in Ural,
Yekaterinburg, and he had a model of the spaceship made of malachite
with incrustations of gold on his desk.
I could tell you 100 stories about how Russians wanted to impress
us. For example, when I came to the Academy of the Ural for the
first time, my feet sticked on the ground, they had put varnish on
the floor, not dried, for showing us new offices, they did all this
"the Russian way", quickly, with quantity, not completely ready.
L.S. Is there anybody in U.S.A., Russia or in Europe that can
confirm your story? And are you not afraid that somebody can
threaten your friends or relatives?
W.R. In USA, honestly I don't know who is living now. Conrad died a
strange way I think, his death was awful. Irwin is dead, von Braun
also I think. James Fletcher. Leona Marietta Snyder is alive and
communicates and support me in this job. In Russia, Valentin
Alekseiev, and Alexei Leonov. Leonov is retired, I'm not sure of
this but his health is a problem.
About security, no problem as far I live in Rwanda, I only have
problem now in Europe, my family is dead. I went to Rwanda in 1990,
and stayed during 3 wars, the April-July 1994 were the worst years
of my life, but I have now true friends in the Tootsie community and
Government. (I'm not known in Rwanda as William Rutledge and
American citizen, I have a whole new life).
I kept my moon flag, beta cloth name, and moon al7b equipment with
L.S. What did you know about the unofficial
Institute Report on the “Public Acclimation Program”, released in
1992 to the MUFON?
W.R. I have no knowledge of this report, 1992 was a very hard year
for me, I was disconnected from all this, can you give me a link?
Frames from the “Apollo 20 flyover” on a presumed alien spaceship,
on the backside of the Moon
L.S. Now we can discuss the ancient “alien spaceship” and “the
City” on the farside of the Moon. Did you go inside the spaceship?
How big was it and what did you find inside?
W.R. We went inside the big spaceship, also into a triangular one.
The major parts of the exploration was; it was a mother ship, very
old, who crossed the universe at least milliard of years ago (1.5
estimated). There were many signs of biology inside, old remains of
a vegetation in a "motor" section, special triangular rocks who
emitted "tears" of a yellow liquid which has some special medical
properties, and of course signs of extra solar creatures. We found
remains of little bodies (10cm) living in a network of glass tubes
all along the ship, but the major discovery was two bodies, one
L.S. Did you visit “the City” on the Moon? Where was it? Did you
understand if was there a connection with the Space ship? Are “the
City” and “the Ship” still there?
W.R. The "City" was named on Earth and scheduled as station one, but
it appeared to be a real space garbage, full of scrap, gold parts,
only one construction seemed intact (we named it the Cathedral
made shots of pieces of metal, of every part wearing calligraphy,
exposed to the sun. The "City" seem to be as old as the ship, but it
is a very tiny part. On the rover video, the telephotolens make the
L.S. What about the “Mona Lisa EBE”? [the correct Italian name
is “Monna Lisa”] How does she look like and where was she at that
time, when you found out her on the Moon. Where do you think she is
W.R. Mona Lisa – I don’t remember who named the girl, Leonov or me -
was the intact EBE. Humanoid, female, 1.65 meter. Genitalized,
haired, six fingers (we guess that mathematics are based on a
dozen). Function; pilot, piloting device fixed to fingers and eyes,
no clothes, we had to cut two cables connected to the nose. No
nostril. Leonov unfixed the eyes device (you'll see that in the
video). concretions of blood or bio liquid erupted and froze from
the mouth, nose, eyes and some parts of the body. Some parts of the
body were in unusual good condition, (hair) and the skin was
protected by a thin transparent protection layer. As we told to
mission control, condition seemed not dead not alive. We had no
medical background or experience, but Leonov and I used a test, we
fixed our bio equipment on the EBE, and telemetry received by
surgeon (Mission Control meds) was positive. That’s another story.
Some parts could be unbelievable now, I prefer tell the whole story
when other videos will be online. This experience has been filmed in
the LM. We found a second body, destroyed, we brought the head on
board. Color of the skin was blue gray, a pastel blue. Skin had some
strange details above the eyes and the front, a strap around the
head, wearing no inscription. The "cockpit" was full of calligraphy
and formed of long semi hexagonal tubes. She is on Earth and she is
not dead, but I prefer to post other videos before telling what
L.S. Were you able to understand the origin of the spacecraft
and how old was it?
W.R. The age was estimated to 1.5 milliards of years, it was
confirmed during exploration, we found ejections from the original
crust, anorthosite, spirals in feldspathoids, coming from the impact
which formed Izsak D. The density of meteor impacts on the ship
validated the age, also little white impacts on the Monaco hill at
the West of the ship...
(20-21) L.S. Can you give me the technical details for every material
you disclosed on YouTube? I mean, can you distinguish among the TV
transmissions from the Lunar rover and the camera footages, during
the flyovers? I would need to know the details of shooting for every
video you spread on the Web. What is the meaning of the strange
numbers visible on the videos, which sometimes slowly stream over
the frames, in the flyover of the Moon?
W.R. I have answered so much time on this, especially to a ESA
astronaut. The transfer was in made in Rwanda, […] with codec and
sound recuperation is not good, but it becomes better. The subtitles
are not genuine, but put on the videos after transfer. I asked to
remove the voices sometimes to protect one person from mission
We used three video cameras in Apollo, one on the rover, called GTCA,
it is not the name of a company (a commenter made a mistake on this)
but a Westinghouse color camera. All three color cameras has a color
wheel who produced a time frame delay when transmitting to the
earth. I think it could be possible for a company to restore a good
TV picture. The CSM camera had a black and white monitor, and
produced stable pictures, sharp because focusing was visible on the
monitor. The LM camera had a glass visor. The CSM camera was used
one time on the AGC Visor, using the coordinates I've transmitted
during the flyover video.
The Flyover video was made in zero
gravity. I was located on the left window, attitude horizontal, legs
around the hammock, lens on the polycarbonate glass. The cameras had
a Vidicon tube sensible with light, a large quantity of light, or
changing the diaphragms put dropouts during transmission. The
markings, numbers are used to perform a good landing. During program
64, when […] in almost in vertical attitude, we had to put the "60"
number on the landing site and hold it on the target minutes before
landing. These marks are on the both […] windows, you can verify it
on a NASA site. Please verify on a genuine NASA site, (I got a flame
by somebody who verified on the Apollo 13 movie) the markings had a
special angle inclination. If you check it, you'll have an idea of
my precise position during this sequence.
L.S. How did you get years ago the copies of the footages of the
W.R. About the footages […] one day, someone I know told me he was
charged to maintain security around a container. A building had to
be destroyed, and archives had to be burn by a plasma torch. The
nuclear power plant didn’t deliver energy at the right price, so the
container was plenty of interest things during some days. As human
is naturally curious, people charged of security went inside… My
friend took video films, a couple of 16 mm plates, boxes of B/W
paper, two enlargers… He contacted me for selling the unused paper,
and that’s how I discovered the other things. I’ve already seen some
picture before, 11*16 pictures were violet/blue, old RC
photographies, I watched the tapes, it was not a business affair, I
put them in security, the only important thing for me were the BW
sheets of paper. It was 15 years ago.
L.S. Have you ever met Clark McClelland, former NASA engineer
who lost his job years ago because of what he discovered at the KSC
(I suppose alien bodies or alien objects from the Space)?
W.R. But you can give me the links. Documents can be at KSC, but no
bodies or alien craft I think.
L.S. You mentioned in a former letter
Christopher Moellers and
McSorley. Who are they?
W.R. Chris Moellers is the
website officer on
Oceans NASA site; McSorley also. Annette Moore is
508 Coordinator. I only have mail exchange with Johnson Space Center
for the moment. There is a moment of panic I think since May 18.
Check 508 coordinator NASA on a search engine. Statement 508 is the
way of pushing NASA to declassify material. I expected a reaction.
Luca >>> it is a part of my strategy, NASA has the right to block me
if I download unauthorized information. If they explain why they
block me, they recognize that the videos can be obtained from them.
If I sue them for violation of Statement 508, they will be forced to
prove I downloaded unauthorized material , and it's not the case, I
never go on a NASA site.
Since May 18, I have not a precise answer, I have to wait for a
decision from the headquarters.
Even as Italian citizen, you have the right to ask for material from
a federal agency like NASA, see 508 Statement:
(25-26) L.S. Aren’t you afraid of the U.S. Government’s reaction and
why did you talk about the date of September 2007, when NASA and
USAF (according to you) “will be forced to tell the whole story
before September 2007” What does it mean and Who is your “deep
throat”? In another recent your communication to me, you talked
about the “2012” year. You said: “In 2012, the weakers will die, and
governments preserve the only bit of their heritage […]
has to be prepared for 2012”. Is there any connection with
“Planet X” return (the ancient Nibiru, adored by the Sumerians in
Mesopotamia) ? What did you know about it?
25 - W.R. I'm the deep throat. What can NASA USAF do now? Blocking or
suing me would be an acknowledgement. They can speak of hoax or
fiction. I'm just afraid they could open a site or another account
with my name or putting almost perfect false videos with voluntary
errors to disinform. Fortunately, bureaucracy and time works for me.
It's a race.
That's why the idea of putting the Leonov files is a good idea, no
controversy anymore, there are no Leonov footage, no videos of this
period of Leonov in a LM or on a USA USAF base. It is unthinkable
related to the official version .
26 - W.R. I am a passionate of the Sumerian period, of the Genesis as
related by Sumerian. They clearly explain how gods created man. But
I have no indications on Sumerian cosmogony, send me some links.
There is a question you didn't ask for and I'm always surprised that
nobody does. This could be your question 27 - why is it necessary to
hide UFOs, why disinformation, why putting all this under the
carpet? It's question of economics. All currencies on Earth are
based on the value of gold. Not many citizens know that but gold is
an extraterrestrial metal coming from the death of a star. When a
star is dying, its mass is growing, atoms are compressed and when
the star explodes, it spreads large amounts of gold in young solar
systems. That's why gold is not a mineral to treat but a perfect,
carbon free metal. This mean that it is the most common substance in
the universe, no more value than a piece of plastic.
That's enough to put down all world currencies. Imagine also that an
EBE says: "coffee has a good taste, rare in this galaxy", the only
perspective of trading coffee through universe would displace the
economic power to countries of the South in one day. You see, not a
problem of panic, but simply a problem of economy.
The end of the interview