Las Vegas, June 2007
We were delighted to have the chance to
interview Dan again almost a year after our first meeting - for
details of which please see below. In this second in-depth
interview, which arose from our having presented him with a long
list of questions of our own, Dan goes into great detail about both
the technology and the politics of the
Stargates and the
He also discusses the 'Cube', which may or may not be the
same device as the fabled 'Yellow Book', or the 'Black Box' reported
by our important witness
In this fascinating interview we found Dan once more to be
outspoken, challenging, informed, values-driven, mischievous, human
We also want to take this opportunity to publish an announcement, as
supplied by Marci McDowell, who works closely with Dan. Marci asked
us to make the following formal statement on Dan's behalf:
Dr. Dan Burisch is on a necessary hiatus from official public
contact until later this year. Unfortunately, there is very little
that I am allowed to say, regarding what Dan is doing. We have
informed the public that he is NOT working for Majestic.
longer exists. Dan retired from that group in September, 2006.
Majestic sat formally adjourned in October, 2005.
I can say that Dan's present activities are so important, pressing
and secret that those in the new group, the group which took over
from Majestic at the end of 2006, the group for whom he has agreed
to make himself available, sought him out for this assignment and
insisted that he is limited to no public contact until after
December 14, 2007. This will provide the time for him to complete
his activities with them, and be debriefed from the assignment.
present assignment is National Security related. Due to the nature
of the assignment, Dan has accepted and been sworn to a National
Following his activities for the new group, Dan and I will be
publishing our new book, 'Emanation of the Solfeggio', which will
detail cutting edge discoveries in the area of acoustics. Next year,
he and I will be speaking publicly (in person) about Project Lotus -
the groundbreaking investigation into a strange silicate-associated
phenomenon which may be altering the genomes of every living
organism on planet earth.
We are presently scheduled for an academic
venue and planning a general audience presentation. (Introductory
video trailers are already on Google.) A new edition of our work on
Mars and Earth anomalies is also underway.
At the time of the interview Dan was unaware of this new
development, and so this was not mentioned or discussed when we
spoke. We have no further inside information, but can surmise that
at least some of the issues raised in the interview are likely to be
This new interview is itself in two
Stargate Secrets - Dan Burisch revisited -
A video interview with Dan
Las Vegas, June 2007
Shot, edited and directed by
Kerry Lynn Cassidy
Start of interview
Kerry: How would you like to
start? What's the best place to start as far as Stargates go?
Dan: Well, I've got a list of questions here in front of
me, submitted by you two, all 30 of them.
D: Oh, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have mentioned the number.
K: No, no ...
D: They are decommissioned. They are separated into their three
components: there's a projection component, a ring component,
and also a barrel component to both the Stargate devices as well
as the Looking Glass device. The Stargates also have field
posts, and again I'm not a physicist so I wouldn't be the
appropriate one to make comment as to how they work.
But there were field posts that were positioned around the
actual “gates” and they have been stored, I guess. I'm not
certain what happened to the field components. But the three
components have actually been decommissioned and liasioned to
the European Union, the
United Nations, and NATO, who are
actually in possession of them. And there is no one group which
has the other one of the other two components.
K: OK, so ...
D: So everybody is staring at everybody and they're not ... They
can't put the equipment together because everybody is mutually
dependent and looking questioningly at everybody else. So
everybody is literally protecting everybody else. Of the actual
base operating equipment, there are three components to it,
which is a projection device of some sort, a barrel, and a set
of rings, electromagnetic rings.
K: Are we able to know how many man-made Stargates there were on
D: No. I'm not going to comment as to the total. I will say that
there was over 50.
K: Wow. In different countries of the world.
K: OK. And these are man-made?
K: OK. So, and now these Stargates ...
D: Well, see, it's not a
Stargate. It's a device which accesses
a portal, a wormhole.
K: Does it access a natural ... In other words, the manmade
device accesses a natural Stargate.
D: Yes. It draws off from a natural ERB, an
D: It accesses it and somehow works, from what I understand, not
in parallel, but almost like piggybacks, on the energy of the
natural Stargate, yeah.
K: OK. So, in other words, if there were only ... If there were
50 man-made devices accessing, they would be accessing a
corresponding 50 natural energy vortexes.
D: That I don't know.
D: There is a possibility that ... In fact when the Looking
Glass was operated, they were usually worked in tandem. It
required a second Looking Glass to be turned on at the same time
to get acoustics through. So unless a second one was turned on
...which operated at one other place, where Will Uhouse had
been. He saw the second node location, as opposed to the first
node being over at the Papoose facility.
Two pieces of equipment, two Looking Glasses, were required to
be turned on at the same time to be able to hear acoustics or
sound, if you will, from whatever the people were watching, to
piggyback in tandem with the visual response of the equipment.
That it required two to be turned on to hear anything.
K: Uh huh.
D: And then both sides could hear the same thing. So I suppose,
both of the Looking Glasses being tuned to the same thing was
accessing the same “tunnel,” if you will, to the information.
K: OK, that's what I was wondering. So the Looking Glass has an
ability to show one the future but a Stargate, or, you know,
equipment that accesses a Stargate, or a wormhole, is for
travel? Right? We're talking about two different things?
K: Are they using the same technology?
D: Essentially, yes. The original device was the Stargate
device. That was then increased in power, if you will, with the
use of these field posts. How it bumped up the power, how it
stabilized it, I don't know. You'd need to speak with a
physicist about that.
D: However ...
K: It increased it enough to where that it became a Looking
D: Well, no. No. No. It would be pumped up in power to stabilize
the “doorway,” if you will, to step through into another
location, which in essence, because distance and time are
relative, the same thing - step through into another time. The
Looking Glass device is a back-engineered Stargate.
D: So it was actually back-engineered from the original
cylinder-seal data which allowed us to produce the Stargate
access devices, if you will, what we call the Stargates.
K: Uh huh.
D: It's a back-engineered device, the Looking Glass is. So the
Looking Glass is a secondary device and it was coming into its
fore in the 60s and 70s and Will saw one of the first
generations of it, from what I understand, a very large piece of
equipment. They always get smaller, no matter what. Look at
what's happened to the computer.
K: Who? Will saw?
D: Oh yeah.
K: Will ...
D: Will Uhouse.
K: ... Uhouse saw the original Looking Glass.
D: He saw one of the original Looking Glasses demonstrated. And
in fact it's going to be in the DVD that we're getting ready to
put out, the actual interview, where he was indicating the
firing of a bullet, I believe it was, through an object, and
there was a time delay where the bullet actually passed through
the object where you saw the bullet past the object, or the
projectile if you will, a rail gun, I believe.
What was the ...
[Marci McDowell, off screen, confirms this]. Yeah, it was a rail
gun being used. And then afterward they saw the impact of the
device. So they were already playing with it in the early 70s,
early to mid 70s, dealing with time sequences.
K: Wasn't the original Looking Glass
back-engineered from alien
D: [long pause] Yes.
K: OK. But there was also information around the cylinder-seals
D: Um hmm....
K: ...that they used also and that those cylinder-seals also
came from an off world race.
D: From ... Well, no, the cylinder seals didn't. The information
on them did.
K: Which was maybe
the Anunnaki? Is that ...
D: I wouldn't feel comfortable in characterizing it with that
D: I really shouldn't. No.
K: But it was off world technology. Originally.
D: Yes ma'am.
K: OK. And at this point, like ... OK. Say that was in the 60s?
D: Well ... Yes. That's when they started actually showing a lot
of interest in actually building the equipment to be able to see
over the curvature of time-space so that they could see into the
future and somewhat into the past, but basically the future.
K: OK. So there's also our
Henry Deacon contacts that deal with
the “black box” that came on one of the craft.
D: Uh huh.
K: And I don't know if you're familiar with that black box.
D: Uh huh.
K: Did you have exposure to that as well?
D: Yeah. It was something that we called the Cube or the
K: OK. But that was not ... Was that a Looking Glass?
D: That is a variant of the technology.
D: However, while the
Looking Glass shows probabilities, or has
shown probabilities, the Cube (below image) would react with the people
present, so there was an alteration, if you will, over what you
were seeing from it. It would actually spin out as a yellow disc
out of the top of it ... where the word “Yellow Book” originally
K: Yeah. OK. Yeah.
D: And, depending upon what predisposition ... Kind of like
little Yoda telling young Luke, “Bring in there what you have
with you.” You know, whatever's there is what you bring. You
could then change the perspective, the “tilt,” if you will, the
orientation or angle, of the information being presented back to
you. So, unless you were well prepared to deal with such a
thing, human interaction and human emotions bring instability of
the provenance of the information.
K: OK. That's what went on with the black boxes, then.
K: OK. But with the Looking Glass...
D: And actually I used that to our advantage at the T-9, because
that in fact was present at the T-9 and I projected certain
information which caused a little upset during the meeting, and
they got certain abductions removed and Lotus removed off the
calendar, and things like that. I caused some real trouble, in
K: Can you elaborate? Are you willing to elaborate?
D: Well. The...the... Let me sit here and consider what I should
and should not ...
During the negotiations for the Tau 9-6, I was asked to supply a
the Lotus. In fact, Marcia and I were both asked
because they knew tangentially she was involved. I agreed to do
so, which is what you respond when you are a sworn operative.
It's “Yes,” unless there are great, great objections. I was then
taken to the location where the treaty was actually being
To give a short recitation as to the nature of Lotus: What was
happening is the P-45ks used Lotus. They wanted to use Lotus for
the back-engineering of their own neurological problem. I was
objecting to its use, but still to provide .... was under orders
to provide a model. I was prepared to do so but I was also
allowed to show them probable outcomes.
So in fact the Yellow Book, the Cube, was used for that purpose.
Shockingly, they happened to see themselves standing on the
bones of their own families and things like that in the vision
and they ultimately decided to remove Lotus as well as certain
abductions from the Tau 9 treaty. So we were successful in
getting certain things removed I think I can safely mention at
this time, because we're only one OF 9 and one Tau 9 treaty away
from the passage through the... the completion of the passage
through the galactic plane.
So I think I'm pretty well safe to
go ahead and mention it now. They're not going to be able to get
it back and put on the treaties and all of that in the time we
have left. In other words, they got out-foxed, and ... that's
what happens when you're negotiating treaties.
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
OF-9: Dan is referring to the "Omicron Phi 9" Treaty System, the
Treaty System not involving the P-45ks, and the "Tau 9" or "T9"
Treaty System involving all parties including the P-45ks. He is
precisely speaking about the "Omicron Phi 9-8" Treaty gathering
scheduled for 2009, and the "Tau 9-7" FINAL Treaty gathering
K: So you used the capacity of the Yellow Book or little black
box to show them the future implications ...
K: ... of what using the Lotus to amplify, or to rectify, their
own biological problem?
D: This is true. And that was skewed by ... It takes a great
deal of emotion to skew the imagery and the audio that comes
with it. But I'll just say that I am extremely vehement with
regard to my objection for Lotus being used, and apparently that
vehemence was sufficient to skew the image enough to get them to
jump back aghast in horror.
K: Wow. So... OK. And this, kind of like just for the sake of
the audience to some degree ... You have seen in, I guess the
Yellow Book or in the Looking Glass (and you can correct me on
which one it is), the future of Lotus, in effect, how Lotus
becomes ...You know, once it's brought to the fore by you ...
D: Well, actually, no. No, no, I haven't. I haven't. The reports
to me which came concerning the future of Lotus, which we're not
going to get into in depth this evening, ah.... was given to me
K: OK. So you didn't see it.
D: Personally see it? No. I was told.
K: I see.
D: I was told. That was during the early years. I say the “early
years” of Lotus. It's only been going on for 6 years now.
D: But this was the latter half of 2001 and this was a quid pro
quo for them to get certain information from ... that Chi'el'ah
showed me. I demanded certain information back, and it actually
was information concerning the time travel issue, because they
were still trying to be ... You know, they were still reticent
about informing me as to what the real nature of the situation
was as late as 2001.
K: Meaning, the real situation was ... Meaning how much access
to Stargates, to time travel that they actually had?
D: Right. The whole treaty system, the situations involving the
treaties, their outcomes, the actual potential for both Timeline
#1 and Timeline #2 outcomes. In the case that we're in right
now, we seem to be on a variant of Timeline #1, and that's good.
For everything that I've seen and have read and have had
reported to me concerning Timeline #1, it's not happening
exactly the way that they figured that it would. But then again,
it couldn't because we've made changes along the way which
diverted us away from Timeline #2 and in so doing, our future
Again, I regard our future as something which is pretty much a
blank slate. We're writing it for ourselves. And so we are now
seeing something coming to pass which is slightly different than
the prognostication in the probabilities that we were seeing.
And I'm good with what we're seeing so far but, you know, we are
still faced with the challenges, the environmental degradation,
etc. But hopefully we will rise to the challenge.
K: OK. So this is interesting because it sounds like Chi'el'ah
was instrumental in getting you to have greater access to
intelligence about what the Looking Glass and
D: Well, it was information that he was providing me which
provoked the questions.
D: And the fact that they didn't even want to get into
longwinded discussions with me in the late 90s concerning what
he even was. After we had argued for years to find out even
where the material was coming from, then we were finally given
access to the material. I mean, this went on for a few years.
K: OK. But your interaction with Chi'el'ah was leading you one
way and giving you one set of information and MJ-12 then had
another set. Isn't that right?
D: Well, they weren't ... They weren't really ... It wasn't that
they had another set of information. He was telling me ... He
did tell me basically what was going on.
D: And they were simply not providing that information as what
they considered a need-to-know situation.
K: I see. So ...
D: They just weren't going to tell me what they didn't feel I
needed to know.
K: But little did they ... Well, this is my paraphrase, but
little did they know that Chi'el'ah was basically clueing you
D: He was clueing me in and he was informing me his perspectives
concerning the treaties. I knew something was going on and that
is ultimately what they wanted to know about and I said,
for you to know about that kind of thing, then I need to know
about certain other things.”
You know, it was truly a quid pro
quo situation and they said,
“Well OK. We'll tell you if you
So I told them and they told me a little more.
And it was right around that same time that Lotus was actually
kicking into fore, the May 31st, 2001 event that took my prosaic
project and basically threw it in the garbage can and it turned
into what it is now, this project that it is now. And as a
result I also found out from them where they said Lotus was
ultimately destined. And that is, like I said, we'll discuss
that at a slightly future date.
K: OK. But it isn't it true to some extent that Lotus could help
D: That was the perspective of
the P-45 J-Rods, and that is not
K: I see. So ... because I make a distinction between Chi'el'ah,
who is, from what I understand, a P-52, and the P-45s. So, but
they're on the same ...
D: They're on the same timeline, the same track, but just
separated by 7,000 years.
K: OK. So, even so ...
D: Which is quite a big separation.
K: So what we get ...what you're saying is that, in a sense,
Chi'el'ah couldn't get the benefit of Lotus because ...
D: Nor did he ask for it.
D: Nor did he ask for it. And I will say this. This is something
that David ... I spoke with David on the phone not that long
ago. I'll leave the last name off. I think you know who I'm ....
K: Sure, but we can use his name if it's OK with you.
D: Well sure. David Wilcock.
K: OK. Yeah, because
we taped an interview with him.
D: Oh, OK. Wonderful. And he was talking. We were discussing the
same thing, which was the Box, the Cube. And I said, “Yeah, but
a strange thing happened.” I was pro temp or made MJ-9 for the
12 as the result of a bet that went on within MJ-12. And I got a
chance to tap who ended up being the last MJ-9 prior to the
Before tapping her, who was the first female to ever set in the
12, I got a chance to look at certain documents and look through
certain archives in Washington DC, prior to going across to the
continent and meeting with some folks and telling them basically
I wasn't interested in their offers. I'm talking about a trip to
K: To see
D: Yeah. And during the same time, the Cube disappeared. And it
hasn't been seen since. And it disappeared out of the archives.
Of course I have no idea ... I have no idea where the item may
be, but I do know this: I'm happy that they can't find it.
Because what they were doing is they were handing this Cube
And this was a question that Bill had asked, whether there was
only one Cube. They were handing this Cube around from country
to country, to the elitists in the countries, to look into their
own futures so that they could pick the best paths for
themselves. Why don't they just live their lives? And try to be
good people? Why do they need a little black box to tell them
when to jump and how to jump? That's not being fully human, at
least from my perspective and those of our associates. That's
not being fully human.
So, as I understand, it disappeared. Now, there have been
certain, you know, allegations, that have been made that during
the time when I had... Is it almost a year ago now? When I had
the bad seizure? It was near the end of last year, was it? No.
[Marcia, off screen, confirming date] It was about a year ago
and I had a very severe seizure and was actually put out of
commission, seriously, for a while, and there was a big
hullabaloo to get over to my apartment to get something out of
my apartment. What that object was, I won't comment. But I will
say this to everybody: Whoever took it, it's in safe hands and
it won't be used to harm humanity.
K: All right.
D: In fact, the fact that it's in safe hands will prevent it
from being used to harm humanity. It has been thus far only used
... Aside from ... Well, I mean, I've got to try to justify my
own behavior in Bandelier in using it for the purposes of
skewing to get Lotus off and the abductions off. But I think
that was for a beneficial cause.
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
Bandelier: Dan was referring to the
Monument, where the Tau 9-6 Treaty gathering was held. See:
The P-52k delegates were trucked in
from the nearby LANL [Los Alamos National Laboratory], and the
P-45ks used the Tyuonyi ruins as the drop off point because they
looked like a 9 and the pueblo ruins themselves looked like
Bandelier National Monument
D: But it has been used since, actually, the 50s, by the
potentates, by the leaders of the various countries to skew the
history of the human race.
K: Wow. That's amazing.
D: And the common folk, the average people, all of us, have a
right to a future which is our own, and not being skewed and
designated and promulgated and promoted and provoked by
bluebloods who feel that they are above everyone else.
K: Well, thank you, Dan.
D: You're welcome.
K: I think that we probably all owe you a great thanks for that.
D: Well, I'm just ... I'm happy to pass along the information.
I'm honored to pass along the information that I understand that
the Yellow Book is no longer accessible.
D: That's all I know about it, though.
K: I understand. I totally understand. And, thanks for that
D: That may be the reason, too, why the Illuminati hasn't done
something to us and it also may be the reason, on the other end,
why the old Magi haven't and it may be why they're all so quiet
D: I don't know.
K: They don't have the upper hand any more.
D: The people should have the upper hand and they should have
the upper hand for their own destiny and that's why we two, have
gone as far as what we have to expose the NSSM200 report which
was put in during the Ford administration, which I believe was
written by Dr. Henry Kissinger, wherein he suggested the
possible use of food as a weapon and its use against, in fact,
as a tool against, the third world.
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
"NSSM-200": NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WASHINGTON, D.C. 20506
April 24, 1974
National Security Study Memorandum 200
Now, at the same time we notice that is a correlation going with
findings from the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change) report concerning
global warming that if
the world average temperature rises, I believe between 2 and 3
degrees Celsius, that the Northern hemisphere, the higher
latitude, growth will increase.
However, if it goes over that it
will decrease. Yet the lower latitudes ... by the way that's
where you find most of the third world countries ... the 2 to 3
degree Celsius increase will cause starvation and crop loss.
D: Now isn't this funny, how they're just allowing the global
warming to increase through the provoking ... with the use of
fossil fuels? Now I'm not saying that's the total cause. It's
not. There are cycles involved, short as well as long term
cycles. But isn't that funny? And it's my best guess that
they'll probably order just enough ameliorative steps to be
taken where it levels off where the higher latitudes probably
don't lose their crops, where you find the majority of the rich
K: Interesting. Well, that's actually a fascinating critical
observation. I think that it is also interesting that most of
the crops are being grown, though, in the lower latitudes.
They're not being grown in North America anymore.
D: Right. But you have sustainability, though.
D: Whereas when you have the loss of the crops in the lower
latitudes you're also losing a lot of the population from the
third world, which, unfortunately, according to the way that the
documents read, some people find them expendable.
D: We don't feel that way.
the Iron Mountain report ... also talks about things
of that nature. And you're familiar with that.
D: I've heard of it.
K: OK. It's actually ... It's freely available on the net to be
read and it talks about something very similar to that.
D: You know, I'm not one that likes to interject myself in
politics at all.
K: I know that. I ...
D: I like to stay to the research.
K: But at the same time ...
D: At the same time, I mean, you know, when we start hearing
the Codex is being placed in place which actually delimits
food value. Oh, you can have all the food you want and starve to
death while you're eating it if there's no nutrients.
K: Right. Absolutely.
D: When I start hearing that food is being used as a weapon and
it's being used concerning the use of fossil fuels, I start
getting personally angry. There's not one person in the lower
latitudes that's worth any less than me.
K: Right. Right.
D: You know, everybody is worth exactly the same thing on this
Earth and unfortunately there are individuals who feel
K: I understand. OK. So Bill, the question you're asking: First
of all, you mentioned Will Uhouse.
son of Bill Uhouse.
K: The son of Bill Uhouse.
D: Right, right.
K: He's very well known. We didn't realize that it was actually
... that it was the son you were saying who had access to that
D: Yes. Yes. Bill was the builder of the avionics and the
testing equipment who back-engineered ARV testing equipment and
avionics. I actually saw some of the equipment (and this is in
the tape that Marcia and I did) ... in a room. I actually saw
some of the equipment, some of the diagnostic equipment, in the
B-bay, underneath the Galileo bay, that he actually built. And
so when I started describing it, Will looked at me and said,
“Oh, that's what my Dad built.” So we had a very nice little
K: So are you saying ...
D: But it's Will who had experience around the Looking Glass
equipment in the 70s. His son, Bill Uhouse's son.
K: And Will Uhouse IS alive now?
D: Yes. Of course.
K: OK. Because that's very interesting ...
D: And his wife, Teri. They, in fact, from what I understand,
they met during the course of conversations concerning our
information coming to the public. Teri and Will met one another,
fell in love, and were married. That makes me feel kind of
personally really good.
K: [smiles and laughs] OK. Well, so it sounds like Will knows
quite a bit about what makes the ARV run, then ...
D: Uh huh.
K: If his father had something to do with the back-engineering.
D: Uh huh. Yes.
K: OK. So in 1947, when
the Cube was discovered, it must have
really screwed up the idea of the two timelines by bringing in
the ability to ... I mean, I don't know what the two can and
can't do ...
D: Well, first of all, the Cube actually was not discovered in
1947. There's a mixture of the stories involved. The Cube was
actually ... The information about the Cube and its existence
was known as of 1946. It was further discussed in 1947 after a
certain crash in a Midwestern, lower, Southwestern state, New
Mexico, and following which, during the first brokering for
treaties by the Orions with Eisenhower,
the Cube was handed to
Eisenhower. It was in fact expected to go to the United Nations
authorities and it was in fact spirited away by the United
D: They didn't hand it over.
K: But the way you're talking about the Cube is that it sounds
like it connects emotionally with the viewer, in a sense.
D: It does. And in fact it was handed ... It was actually
D: And it was handed over by them in a spirit of goodwill but a
mis-assessment as to our evolutionary state, our ability to
handle the issue. And handle the equipment. They felt us more
balanced than what we actually were.
K: OK. Well this opens almost Pandora's Box in the sense of
United States history.
D: That is Pandora's Box. Yes. I'm not exactly certain
seen relative to Cube for 9-11. However, the analysis which I was
asked to do ... (of course I paid the price of having actually
done it. Again, people don't want to hear the answers that I
came up with.) But ... the analysis that I did indicated that
certainly there is, at minimum, a great suspicion concerning the
delay of response. And information that I have directly from one
of the formerly seated members was in fact that we were aware
(but this was Looking Glass technology, not the Cube) ...
K: I understand.
D: That we were aware as of the middle 1990s that there would be
a coming Islamic extremist war with the United States. We were
also aware of certain alternative situations that they used the
statistics from the Looking Glass for the variability between
the different pictures to show that would be occurring at the
same time, the other probability at the same time.
their perspective, that the least of the two consequences was
9/11. I am aware of what the other possible consequence was. I'm
not willing to come out and start mentioning it because I don't
know what the consequences are of speaking of things that have
not thus far happened, yet the probabilities existed that they
D: So, you know, I'm feeling a little bit ... There's a little
weight when it comes to that, but ...
K: OK. You're saying though, that the
Looking Glasses have been,
as you called it, decommissioned.
D: Yes, ma'am.
K: And that means across the board.
D: Across the board.
D: They are shut down.
K: And you said there was 50 man-made devices. And I'm assuming
D: I said at least 50.
K: ... that would access, or create, Stargates out of natural
D: Yes. They would suck them in and make them available.
K: And a Looking Glass is not the same as a Stargate.
D: No. A Looking Glass is a back-engineered form from the
original cylinder-seal descriptions on how to build the units
that made Stargates, so that ... in essence you could take a
Looking Glass unit and make a couple changes to the equipment, lift it up on an angle, put field posts around it and open up a
hole to step through.
K: Sure. OK, but the Looking Glass can
show you the future. So
are we saying ...
D: Future probabilities.
Not the future.
K: OK. So are we saying there were 50 Looking Glasses in
operation as well as ...?
D: Oh no. There were much less. We had a basic monopoly over the
Looking Glass. That and India. India brokered early on with
Indira when Indira Gandhi was brokering the Committee of the
Majority between the United States and the Soviet Union because
the Soviets were threatening to start their own treaty system up
with the extra terrestrials, which would have become untenable.
We agreed then to expand
MJ-12 from a wholly operated and owned
American operation to an international operation. Thus was born
the Committee of the Majority between 1963 and 1967. And when
that information was brokered, that happened in parallel with,
kind of under the table but in parallel with the United Nations
treaties involving things like the test ban treaty and the outer
And so it was being done at the same time under cover of UN
support. The diplomats were going back and forth and brokering
the opening up, so that the treaty system would be a single
treaty system and thus tenable and manageable, to, hopefully, a
good outcome. And we'll be knowing within the next few years
whether that was successful.
K: OK. So this is really fascinating. You're saying that some
other countries, India for one, had access to Looking Glass
D: Yes, ma'am. They had that written in as far back as the 1960s
and 1970s when it was actually being back-engineered from the
Stargate material. And so at the same time that Will Uhouse, for
instance, was looking at the early generation Looking Glass,
India had the same.
Dr. Dan Burisch talks with Will Uhouse
about secret base, S-4
K: OK. And are you at liberty to say what other countries had
access to that?
D: To the information? Or to the equipment?
K: To the Looking Glass, to a Looking Glass, or the ability ...
K: ... to create a Looking Glass and look back ... look at time,
look forward into their own history ...
D: No. No.
K: Was that not acceptable?
D: No. No. And I'll tell you why the answer is no. Within the
treaties, the Looking Glass as well as the Stargates, as well as
the Cube, and the “information movement pods,” are all contained
within the treaty system. Within that treaty system it also
prohibits and allows certain passage of information amongst
delegates on where the Looking Glass material is and where the
information flow is, what the access is. Being that I stood in
Bandelier and considered a delegate, therefore I cannot tell
K: OK. So you can't tell me who has ...
K: ... access to that technology.
D: Aside from India and the United States. No.
K: OK. Right. But we can assume that some countries perhaps,
that is, the leadership of some countries, may have had access
to this technology at some point.
D: I think that it's fair to say that we can assume that they
had access to the information from it. But I wouldn't place any
characterization over any assumption of who may or may not have
K: OK. All right, well, I think ...
D: I thank you for the question, though.
K: OK. But it also gives you a whole different way of looking at
history. I mean, certainly ...
D: Indeed it does.
K: I mean... You know, this stuff has got to be kind of as
natural to you as, you know, getting up in the morning, you
know, and having a cup of coffee. This is all part of your world
D: Nah ...There is nothing as natural to me as getting up and
having my cup of coffee! [big laugh]
D: And we should have never built... The Stargate, yes, OK, for
the purpose of speaking with the visitors from the other
timelines. Yes, absolutely. But Looking Glass, no. That was done
because of our own shortcomings as people who aspire to things
that we maybe shouldn't try to grab a hold of.
K: Well ...
D: It should never have been built.
K: It gives you power, right? We're talking about power, and the
misuse of power here.
K: I mean, bottom line, right?
K: So ...
D: And I am an advocate against that misuse. In fact ... Well, I
could say against the misuse ... I am against its use. Period.
K: OK. So let's say one has the Looking Glass, and you're saying
it shows probabilities, and one of the things we were wondering
is: How does it do that?
D: Well, from the best I understand (and I was speaking with
Bill just a little while about it, a little while ago), the
rings and the amount of information via energy which is passed
into it. And I've got to be very careful with this ...The
position of the rings, their orientation, the energy running
through them, the position of the barrel, etc - because you can
raise the barrel up on an armature inside the center of it – all
come into play as if you have an onion with the various layers
of the onion.
As you move through the different energy levels you also move
through the different layers so you get different bits of
information. Now, imagine an almost infinite number of layers
overlaying in comparison to the positions of the rings and an
almost infinite amount of energy that you can add or subtract,
tuning it up, tuning it down.
K: Well, it sounds sort of like ...
D: Instead of going up by 1 hertz or 2 hertz, maybe by a
thousandth of a hertz up and down.
K: OK. But it sounds like you're working with ... almost like a
kaleidoscope effect. You know, like a kaleidoscope, a real
kaleidoscope, the way you would turn and twist and focus and
each time you get a different design. Right?
D: Right, except ...
K: The design and the colors change.
D: You get a different design and the colors change but it's
like working with multiple kaleidoscopes where, when you find
two different probabilities that you would run into, you have
two kaleidoscopes and you make a change on one kaleidoscope that
may factor or function to a different angular change on another
kaleidoscope. So you get two separate pictures that you then
have that are flashing back and forth.
D: But yes.
K: OK. So, is ...
D: That's the best analogy I can ...
K: Is there an interface with a computer to get these read-outs
K: ... of the probabilities?
D: Yes. In fact there's a de-interlacing system which they used
to actually de-interlace the flashing back and forth of the two
probabilities or the multiples that they had at certain times
when it starts skipping ...
K: You could freeze them, right? So you could look at them
D: What they did is that they de-interlaced the video and then
reintegrated the video and watched the individual videos and
then determined statistically how much time was spent on each
video to determine the amount of probability of each event
occurring. And they tested that against probabilities in the
field and probabilities of future occurrence to get a system
which functioned scientifically. And that's ...
K: OK. And so, well, I'm going to go with that and I'm going to
actually say that what they might have been doing is then
looking back to see ... In other words, if they saw an event in
the Looking Glass, all they had to do was calibrate, or look at
the different possibilities to see which one happened and then
D: That's what they did.
K: ... as time went on ...
D: Absolutely. That's right on it. That's right on. That's right
on the beam. And you know, some people like to say ... Some
people say it's blue smoke and mirrors, but, then again, I was
told something in 2001 that I'm living in right now. OK?
D: OK? Without going to what it is. And, like I said, we'll talk
about that in the future. But it's the best scientific equipment
that I can imagine for the determining of such a thing. But it
goes to the old question: Just because we have the power to do
something, should we?
D: And I am a 100% advocate. She and I [gesturing toward Marcia]
had a more than a small dustup out at Frenchman Mountain over
this very same thing, which actually resulted in me walking
alone down Lake Mead back toward Las Vegas, with she and I
yelling and screaming at each other along the roadside.
They were doing tests out at Frenchman Mountain during the time
that the Rosen Bridge was being accessed there - the
Einstein-Rosen Bridge - with the equipment. They had the
curtains up and all of that business, enough where Metro
couldn't see it from the top of the mountain and all that. And
they were accessing there and there was a mistake and a small
explosion out there on the east side of this little ... what we
call the Conquistador Helmet.
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
"Metro", referring to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police
And she wanted me to go out there with her to help clean some
the evidence up of it. And she and I got into more than a little
dustup because I didn't want anything to do with it. Because I
don't believe ... I'm no Luddite. I'm all for grand technology.
But I don't believe in playing with things which actually deal
with looking into the future.
There's another issue that was going on at the time, in fact,
the variety of communication which was going on via this
equipment ...from elsewhere ... I presume ... she won't, still
hasn't, won't admit to me, but I presume that it was from Orion
and it was information, defense related information, on how this
type of equipment, how an Einstein-Rosen Bridge at a distance,
could be used to pull information out of a defense computer
K: Ah ha.
D: And I don't mean a U.S. defense computer system. I said, “You
know what? NO.” Look, we've got the technology here. We've got
the talent. We've got the willpower and we've got the
willingness to defend our own country without the use of
something involving time technology. I wouldn't want to go up
against, for instance, god help us, the Chinese, on the ground.
But at the same time, I don't fear their country either. I
believe that we should be diplomatic with them and have a firm
understanding and a respect for one another. But I also don't
fear them. And so, the use of the technology like that is not
honorable, to me.
K: Right. Well, it's like knowing how the game plays out means
you can play to your advantage ahead of time in making sure that
that eventuality will occur.
D: That's why I as so interested in... When I was doing my time
... During my time with the jobs involving safety and security
training and all that here in Las Vegas, when I was interacting
with Marcia and the Eye because we were literally on a daily
basis talking about that same thing. And about the psychology of
individuals who come to a table to play a game and who cheat to
alter the outcome of the game.
And that whole psychology is
something which I'm not ... you know, is not foreign to me and
so that helped, if you will, prime the wick of the explosion
between myself and that variety of technology, which actually
primed my disagreement with them.
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
The "Eye" is a reference to the 'Eye in the Sky' or 'Casino
K: OK. Well, I understand what you're saying and there's a
million questions that all of this ..
D: I know, I know.
K: ... raises and I know don't have all night, but I would like
to ask ...
D: There's 30 of them here. [laughs]
K: Now that I know what I know and what you've at least
communicated, you're saying you don't want to use the Looking
Glass for advantage over country to country, but what about
country to off-world ...
D: No no no no. It shouldn't be used at all.
K: OK. I understand, but ...
D: All right?
K: But, is there something there? I mean, in other words, is the
technology something that they are using now to look at our
relationships with, because ...
D: [shakes head no] The technology is not being used at all
K: OK. But the reason it's not used now is because of where
we're going into the galactic ... the plane of the ...
D: [nods head yes] As of about 2017 I would expect that probably
that all of these little pieces of equipment will probably all
get reassembled, yeah.
K: Turned back on.
D: Oh sure.
K: 2017? That's quite a while ...
D: 2016, 2017.
K: Not until then?
D: Probably not.
K: Do you mean ...
D: I'm figuring that they're probably going to act
conservatively on this. That's what all the people of wisdom
have suggested to them.
K: Oh, wow.
D: Is to act conservatively. That yes, the so-called
catastrophe, or season of catastrophe of Fulcanelli, the time
period from, oh, right around 1992 to right around 2012, right
around that area. While we will have passed it, passed 2012, we
really ought to get through the entire cycle which is about 1980
to about 2016, to feel confident that the interpretation from
the timeline from the future about their own catastrophe is not
off by a few years. We're talking about 45,000 years or 52,000
years respectively. We have difficulty understanding what
happened 2,000 years ago and we're talking about 50,000 years
here. So, it's very wise for them to wait.
K: OK. You mean turn ... The
Looking Glasses are now
decommissioned, but also the Stargate technology.
D: Yeah. Yeah, they're decommissioned and the Stargates and the
Looking Glasses, I'm sure they're all in their little mothball
containers and all of that and they have been separated ... The
three components of each have been separated and moved to
different power structures, diplomatic and military authorities
around the world. And we're talking about the EU specifically,
the UN, and NATO. Those are in specific control of one of the
three components each. And I cannot comment as to which
component is contained by whom.
K: OK. But you're saying there's no doubt whatsoever that all
this technology has been decommissioned.
D: There is no doubt whatsoever when it comes to the
Glasses and when it comes to the Stargate technology that it has
been decommissioned. And ... However, there are a few threats
going on, ongoing threats, from present countries stating that
they will put it together at their will, through their own self
determination. And those countries, if push comes to shove, will
K: OK. Meaning ... Put it together now?
D: As in build one themselves now.
K: Yes. That's what I meant.
D: Yes. What was extant has been collected. I'm under very good
assurance that what was setting there has now been collected and
K: OK. And we're assuming Iraq is one of those.
D: Oh, absolutely.
K: They were able to pinpoint in the
Looking Glass the very
highest probability for those things to occur ...
D: That's true. That's true. And Bill was asking about a future
date involving another thing and a year was given to me. And he
was saying, well, if a year can be provided for that, why
wouldn't a year be provided for the other?
D: Well, there was a highest-probability year for it. However,
telling me about something that might happen in the future
involving a project which we're currently involved is one
D: Willy-nilly throwing a date out which is a probability
involving the lives and the destiny of all of us here on the
Earth, specifically to a predicted four-and a half, or four
billion peoples' deaths, is another matter that carries an
entirely different weight with it.
K: But are we to assume that we past that year yet? Or ...
D: You're not to ... No. You're not to assume.
K: No. OK. So that's still in the offing. What we're looking at
is a very low probability of the event or the set of events
occurring ... at this point.
D: Yes. Yes. We're looking at a low probability of the higher
catastrophic portion of the events occurring. I expect that the
events which would kick it off are still going to happen. For
instance, the solar max which is coming at around 2012 and
expected loss of GPS equipment and things like that, which is
out there as part of ... on the web you can find that.
I think, was one of the groups that spoke about the loss of GPS
and satellite communications.
K: You mean the electromagnetic grid is
going to go down.
D: Yes. Yes. And that would be the time that I would expect the
highest probability of the T2 event, having correlated to the
history of the J-Rods and the Orions. But that's as far as I can
K: Wow. OK. Well, that's pretty close.
D: I can't give a date though.
K: Yeah. I understand.
D: I can but I shouldn't because people will then target toward
a date, and I ... Yeah, there are people out there now that are
saying, “Yep, it's right around the corner at any moment now.
Why won't the aliens save us?"
We need to save ourselves.
D: And that's why the steps have been taken that have been taken
in the world and are still under way, so that we will save
Stargate Secrets - Dan Burisch revisited -
A video interview with Dan
Las Vegas, June 2007
Shot, edited and directed by
Kerry Lynn Cassidy
Start of interview
Bill Ryan: I have a question about the probabilities, Dan... the
Dan Burisch: When you ask a question, I really ... [laughs]
B: ...the low probability, according to what I understand what
you said earlier, is 19%. Is that still valid? Because that's
still playing Russian roulette with one bullet in a barrel of
D: Is it not. Actually it's slightly worse than that. In all
honesty it's slightly worse than that, because there's only an
85% confidence level to that 19%.
B: So that doesn't quite sound like we can all relax.
D: I don't think it's ... Well no, I don't think it's a
question. I think we need to do the right things. And there was
a correlation to the successful and unsuccessful outcomes which
involved the people of the world being united in purpose for
survival and for care for our world. And that's the reason why
we did this crazy thing.
And you know, it sounded crazy, it looked crazy, but we did it
because it was the right thing to do and I ended up having to
send a team of people out, canvassing the regular people of the
world, and handing flyers out, stating that the time had arrived
for us to pray for unity. And I would still encourage that
seriously and sincerely.
You know, I lost people. I was in
charge of a team and some of them died as a result, well, a
couple of them from accidents, and that, you know can happen
anywhere, but a couple of them were put to death for
proselytizing. And so I bear that on my soul now.
Kerry: Were put to death for proselytizing ...
D: In a country where ...
K: You mean China.
D: Ah ... there was in fact two deaths in China and we also lost
some people in Saudi Arabia and a couple other places. I didn't
make public how many-all we lost or how many-all we had but they
did their jobs and the information was handed out and we did the
best we could. Anyway, you were asking about the Stargate, the
possible locations and all of that.
[reading from a document]
On June 16th of 2003, in RV Number
0403, Deborah was requested to do a
remote viewing session, a
sole one, a series of them in fact that she conducted, and she
found several locations, among them was in fact Volochanka and
she even said “to the north by the Tundra” in Russia and in the
southwest Tibetan Mountains ... Tibetan Mountains (I'm sorry,
I'm still a little bit ... thinking about my men and women.) Uh,
I don't know how to pronounce this. In ... M-o-s-j-o-e-n ... in
Norway and that was a big, big hullabaloo. There was one
actually ... The equipment was actually removed from there.
K: You're saying she remote-viewed the locations of the
D: In fact she did, and the reason why I reacted to pull this
out. In your question #9 it says: “How many LGs are/were there?
How many man-made Stargates? Where are they?" And you gave a
list of possible countries. In that list you mentioned Bulgaria.
D: Well, on the second page of it she's got the Pirin Mountains
in Bulgaria listed, so I just wanted to kind of let you know.
K: Thank you.
D: And a couple of points in Egypt, and she didn't in fact in
this one mention Iraq because she was working separately for
Iraq. On February the 4th of 2003 she did a special RV, says,
came up with the following in my session. I saw a place 10 miles
south-southeast of Baghdad.”
This, by the way, is the place where we ended up actually
raiding and removing what they thought were rings for what they
called “Weapons of Mass Destruction.” Well, there were rings all
right but it was a different kind of weapon of mass destruction.
“I pictured a big tree on the ground surface of this location.”
Now think about how Saddam was finally found.
“Behind the tree there was a hole in the ground and then a
piece of wood over it. I saw a man looking and feeling like
Saddam. A guard lifted the wood over the hole. Saddam then
entered the hole adjusting the wood to look like a platform at
the top of a set of stairs.”
In remote viewing (I don't remote
view), but in remote viewing, from everything I understand from
her time gets mixed up, overlaid, and sometimes off-shifted, and
she clearly saw him in the spider hole. She also indicated that
she found the work area down there and in fact drew the work
area which they ended up finding, and finding
the one Gate in
Interesting stuff, huh?
K: Yeah, absolutely. So, we're kind of getting off the topic a
little bit ...
D: That's good. [laughs]
K: ... of Stargates and all that.
D: Am I causing that?
K: I'm sorry?
D: I said, am I causing that? I hope not.
K: We know that Chi'el'ah escaped through a Stargate, with your
assistance, because that was described in one of our last
D: ET went home.
K: Yes, ET went home.
K: And I ... The interesting thing about that is that you also
had an experience in which you sort of fell into the Stargate
and then kind of didn't go all the way, but stayed in this
D: Well, kind of.
K: Kind of?
D: I was expelled several yards away onto a slab of ... it was
either limestone or granite, I'm not really sure, sandstone. All
I know is that it was hard [laughs] when I landed on it and it
was on the other side of the tarpaulin over... The area was
separated, human/ET side, for the actual staging around the
Stargate. It was a military operation. And I ended up on the
other side of the barrier, which were like raised curtains, so
that the people around the area who were actual inhabitants of
the area, couldn't see. And I landed on that and I moaned or
groaned or was wondering where I was and was in fact then
approached by men in guns who were very upset with me. But ...
K: OK, but so you saw the inside of a wormhole, right?
D: Oh ... I can't really say that. There was a gray curtain,
almost a misty type curtain very similar to what I remember
during the time that I was in a coma back in the '70s. And I saw
certain things on the other side, but it was a flash, and that
was about it, and nothing really remarkable to talk about.
K: OK. So you never went through, all the way through. I mean,
I'm asking ... did you or have you.
D: No. I was just ... No. I did not end up ...I do not remember
ending up anywhere else.
K: Have you ever gone through a Stargate?
D: No. no no. No. No. No. No, and there are no rotating
ring-like devices where men with military equipment walk through
and meet Ra on the other side and bring their nuclear weapons
with them, no. No. There are ... yes, I'm being derogatory
K: I thought we were talking about Stargates.
D: Well, that's what Serpo came from ... I mean, this list of,
“We've got our nuclear weapon with us,” and all this business.
And they could have picked something better than the name Serpo
if they were going to go with it, but ... Serpo is a reptile
park in, what is it? Argentina? Or is it the Netherlands? It's
the name of a reptile park.
K: Uh huh.
D: And I think it was picked more by the former ops who were
actually putting the disinfo together and what they did is that
they just simply took a name and turned it backward. It was OPRES; it's a K-4 code.
K: There are no Stargates in Serpo, in
the Serpo story, as told
K: OK. But ... [to off camera: That's what I said.] So what I'm
asking is ... we have Stargates, OK, that have been
decommissioned which access time travel technology.
K: OK. These Stargates, before they were decommissioned, we must
assume were used.
D: They were used for passing information and passing
inhabitants this direction.
K: Oh, by other cultures coming this way but not by us going ..
D: By ... by P-45s and P-52s, both Orions and J-Rods.
K: What about all the other...? I mean, I don't know if you're
party to this, but how many other races are out there?
D: I am aware of one inter-dimensional species that won't speak
with us directly and was communicating via the Orions, the P-52
Orions. That's it. You know I've been 20 years ... It's
confusing to me because I've got so many people with such great
certitude, and I've been 20 years around these people and either
they were the greatest hiders in the world, even while drunk,
and some of them drunk and recreationally drunk. (And that's the
way and ... best ... I should put that; comes with large amounts
of money. Sometimes they pay for products to make them feel
good, or whatever...)
I have never... It's been a joke. I hate to put it this way, but
a lot of the UFO community, like, for them the stories have been
a joke and a lot of them have been proffered by the folkloristic
unit in Majestic. They actually promulgated a lot of these
stories and now they hand me the bag to come out here and go,
“Boo.” You know, “Sorry. The boogey man isn't real.”
I guess the only thing that I'm aware of are the P-45s and the
P-52s. The intergrades between them over the 7,000 years between
them cannot be contacted, per treaty. The P-52s J-Rods and
Orions I am aware of, and the P-45 J-Rods. At the time the P-45s
were around, they were unaware that the P-52 Orions, which would
then be P-45 Orions, even existed. They didn't even know that
they still survived, at the time. And they only found out as a
consequence of coming here and the treaty negotiations.
K: OK, but what about the .... You're telling me that the
Stargates were only used one way by ...
D: Used two ways, but one way by transport for delegates in.
K: OK. And that was ...
D: And that was only under extreme circumstances involving
international uproar when there were problems with the treaties.
Aside from that, products were exchanged back and forth and
information was exchanged but it was deemed too dangerous to be
handing people back and forth regularly. These things collapse,
from what I understand, spontaneously. And if it collapses and
you are not out one side or in the other, you're nowhere.
K: OK. So you're telling me that these people have such a
conscience they were not sacrificing Americans or other, you
know, or military people, to test the Stargate?
D: No. The treaties were basically inflicted on us by the Orions.
As they were enforced upon us by the Orions that we needed to do
what we needed to do when they figured out that we weren't able
to handle the issue ourselves. They looked at their own history
and said, “Huh, look at the cave men and women.”
OK? After we
acted the way that we acted involving the Cube and all of that
business. They inflicted the treaty system on us and they said,
”You will behave this way.” We don't have the ability to just
take a Stargate and to step through onto the other side without
violating the treaty. They don't want us out there. We are
dangerous to ourselves, so why would we not be dangerous to
another culture? They are sure as hell not gonna let us off this
K: OK. Can I ask you ...
Bill [off-camera]: You should ask about Montauk and Henry's
K: Well, yes.
D: I still, believe it or not, I still have not read about what
Montauk is. Sitting here right now I have zero clue about what
it even is.
K: OK. That's cool. What about the
Philadelphia Experiment? Are
you familiar with that?
D: I am familiar with the reports of the USS Eldridge.
D: I'm familiar with the unified field theory testing that went
on. In fact the unified field theory testing did go on but it
made something which was, from what I understand,
radar-invisible but not involving everything that I've heard ...
all of these other movies about people going back to 1941 and
prior to Pearl Harbor and all of this business and walking the
time tunnel, and all of this.
The information that I've heard
from the military sources – because I asked when I was in there
because I knew about the Philadelphia Experiment from way back
from hearing about it – that it was a legit experiment, that
there was a legit experiment that went on but it provided radar
invisibility and was an early cloaking system. And it was
K: OK. Now I'm wondering what ... Certainly Chi'el'ah gave you,
sort of hidden cards in your hand that allowed you to get
information from Majestic, or to trade information with Majestic
such that you would learn what was going on in terms of the
Stargates and everything.
D: Right. And if I tell you, that means that I'm telling that
camera right there. [points into lens].
K: OK. And but if... Recently ... You know, I don't know if this
is in the public domain, but recently you found out that MJ-1
had not told you everything about a certain incident.
D: Yes. True.
K: OK, which was a meteor, incoming meteors ...
D: Yes. It was Apophis and the big thing is the affidavit that I
wrote. And the dustup that happened between he and myself was
based on the fact that he said ...And I told him not to lie to
me again, and the reason why I told him not to lie me again ...
It involved the time period where I was told to keep my mouth
totally shut because of the timelines.
Then I found out it was a bunch of garbage basically just to
manipulate me to keep my mouth shut. And after that happened,
then more votes were taken and then I was told to talk. I was
given the orders to talk. Yo-yo. OK? When that happened I told
him, “Don't lie to me anymore. Tell me, ‘It's none of your damn
business,' if you have to. I can accept that better than being
lied to.” It's more honorable. He said fine.
Then I found out that because he had carried the attitude that
the Magi were not closely watching anything like neodes, the
near earth orbiting asteroids, or anything like that. They
weren't concerned about it at all. Well then, subsequently
during a conversation I found out that in fact they were. This
caused a mild dustup that was then heightened because of
information from her relative [indicating Marcia off camera].
The information from her relative was in fact that they were
aware that there would be an Islamic attack upon the United
States as early - meaning they were aware as early - as the mid
1990s that it would be coming sometime in the new millennium.
Well, right on, smack on the beam.
That made it worse. I had told him that if he ever lied to me
again I would make him pay a price for it. The simple price was
K: OK, but ...
D: And after that I, you know ... We sent ... There has been
conversation with that particular individual since and
everybody's OK with everybody. I mean, you know, 20 years, more
than 20 years ... I first met the gentleman at the back of the
LAMS, the museum, more than 20 years, since the 1970s. The
relationship is not going to go by the wayside over a dustup.
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
LAMS: Los Angeles Microscopical Society.
K: Sure. I understand. But what I'm ... The reason I'm alluding
to that is that here's a case ...
D: I know what you're alluding to.
K: OK. Where you don't know everything ...
D: No. I don't.
K: ... about what's happening.
D: Thank God.
K: And you haven't necessarily been clued in to everything.
D: No, I haven't.
K: And so you are telling me that we don't go both ways in
Stargates and this is what you've been told.
D: Uh huh.
K: OK? And you are telling me that there is only two races,
maybe a third, but you know ...
D: Three races plus us, maybe a fourth.
K: OK. So all I can say here is ... This is interesting because
we have gotten testimony from a lot of different witnesses,
people who have different types of abilities, who have come from
the inside, from Black Ops, like our
Henry Deacon, telling us
that we are accessing Stargates constantly and going in fact
between the Earth and Mars and going between the Earth and the
Moon and possibly other places as well. In other words, not just
that we're staying out of space or out of the Stargates because
the Orions tell us to.
D: They were used. They were used in timeline number two to
Mars. Now, there is a possibility that
the information that he has, or had, has to do with a future
timeline. That would make sense to me on that level but not on
the level of “Hey honey, let's take the kids to Olympus Mons
K: No, but how about if the military is sending equipment back
and forth, etc etc?
D: Well, OK. The Orions could trust us so much where they could
hand us a Cube and we misused it to the state that we misused
it. Where they then had to inflict a treaty system upon us.
K: Are they running our country? Are they running our world?
D: No. No. They're simply constraining what we're able to do.
No. We're running our own show down here. Meaning, when I say
we, I'm not talking about the common folks that are, you know,
like being starved to death every day. We're running our own
show politically down here. The statements about ... well, these
are mind-controlled this or that, you know, automatons working
for the ETs and the government ...No no no no no.
These are good
hearted and black hearted people - both - all fighting each
other to run the geopolitical scenario. hat is an honest
assessment from what I've seen was going on. But we are
constrained as to what we are allowed to do. Meaning where we
are allowed presently to off-world.
K: I understand.
D: You know ... very nice, very nice, we placed our hands on our
hips and Underdog flew the American flag on the Moon and we
showed ourselves so wonderful and all that over the Soviets. But
that doesn't mean that we're quite able at this point to go and
camp out for too long.
K: OK, so now you're telling me why we're not, theoretically
...or we haven't gone back to the Moon. At least we're ...
D: Right, we're busy throwing sticks and stones at each other.
And another reason why we cannot go back there, is part of the
treaty system allows us to have a certain repository set
somewhere on the Moon and that repository is presently there.
D: And that is in case the T2 timeline should eventuate or there
should be a geological or a global catastrophe of like size.
K: OK. Was this what you called the Ark?
D: Yes. Yeah.
K: OK. Which, from what I understand, used to exist here on the
D: Well, in several pieces.
K: Right. OK. So they took it up to the Moon somehow.
D: Yeah. It was assembled and it ...
K: Did they use a Stargate?
D: No. No. That was going ... In fact they were building
equipment up north from here and they ended up getting it about
three-quarters of the way built. I actually told Bill Hamilton
about this when we were walking on the Jeep Road out on
Frenchman Mountain one night. “Well, where's it gonna go?” I
looked like that [makes face] and kind of pointed up and there
the orb was setting. And he says, “Ah.”
K: OK. But you call it an Ark. Is this something ...
D: Well, it's a nickname for it.
K: But it sounds like it's going to save creatures.
D: It's got genetic and tissue and other products.
K: From us?
K: OK. Other creatures on the planet as ...?
D: Oh yes, yes. A very good biodiversity, yes.
K: I see. And it's sitting on the Moon in case there's something
very bad that happens down here. Is that the idea?
K: OK. From the Moon where does it go?
D: It doesn't.
K: Oh really? But the Moon's not like, you know, the most
inhabitable planet ...
D: No, but it's the place that we're allowed to be ... Right
now. Do I sound like I'm weighing my words?
K: [laughs] Yes. Yes. OK, well ... I mean ...
D: It's your job to ask the questions. It's my job to answer
them as honestly and as truthfully as I am able while being
honorable and beneficial.
K: OK. And we do thank you for that, you know, regardless of
what other people think.
D: Well I mean, you know, I ... [big sigh]
K: There's a huge amount ....
D: I know the exact spot that the thing is setting there. All
right? I know what it looks like, I know how many pieces there
are. I was involved in looking at and assisting with the
biospherics on it. I know exactly where it sets and what happens
if I say exactly where it sets and something happens to it?
D: I can't take that on my back.
K: I understand.
D: Go back to the '50s here for a second.
K: All right.
D: An interesting thing happened ... You know, we were talking
about the Cube and all of that and the meetings with Eisenhower
and the Orions, the delegates .... An interesting thing ...
[picks up document] And I'm just referring to this, of course
because it happens to reference from the intelligence community,
the appropriate event, albeit it was being said at the time
during a different context.
This is referencing a Hearing of the Senate Select Committee on
Intelligence, the nomination of Mike McConnell to be
National Intelligence. And this was at 2.30 pm eastern time on
Thursday, February 1st, 2007.
And Mr McConnell, the honorable
vice-admiral, said the following:
“Senator, some years ago, I think '50s, '60s, there was a
battle in the community with regard to authorities for signals
intelligence,” [of course ... signals intelligence ...
communication, and ... people can read between the lines, I
think] “...and decisions were taken finally to cause the
Director of the National Security Agency to have responsibility
for signals intelligence, or SIGINT, as we refer to it, with
regard to establishing priorities overseeing the technology,
insuring it's conducted in an appropriate way. The training
standards are right and investments are correct, and so on.”
I've got a little report here which was released on the 17th of
February, 2003. This was actually sent to me by... Bill
Hamilton! And it was written by a person named Matt Guza. I
don't know who the person is aside from Director IC USUFOIC.
he reports the following:
Note to the transcript from Marci McDowell:
Matt Guza is/was Director I.C., USOFOIC. The file ID that Dan
was referring to, coming from Bill Hamilton was
“Aquarius background. Aquarius and other information.”
“Aquarius findings described briefly below.” Because it was
being ... For some reason
was being looked at
very closely at the time.
“Number 1: From what we have found, we believe that it started
in 1953 alongside of the Project Blue Book or Deal.”
Now ... '53 ... what happened in ‘53? This is pretty much around
the same time ... general time frame as the Eisenhower thing...
within a year? ‘53 was also the time when a certain craft dumped
in Arizona, as I recall, right near Kingman, involving two P-45
JRods and a P-52. The P45 was the one met by Bill Uhouse and of
course the P-45 was the P-52 ...I had the great honor.
But ... [continues reading],
“The theory on the drawing board at
this time is that it started as an USAF black project and was
overtaken by the intelligence community due to the content and
the secrecy. From investigating the past interests of the USAF
in UFOs, it seems that the USAF weighed their investigation too
much on non-scientific data. This would explain the need for the
intelligence community investigation.” (We can read between the
“Herein, after finding, or seeing this, or due to
other issues, the intelligence community took Aquarius out of
the hands of the USAF.”
Isn't it funny how these two things co-ordinate with one
K: Well, what are you ... OK. What are you trying to say? Are
you trying to say that ...
D: That there was an obvious allusion ... an obvious allusion
here, in the testimony to the honorable vice admiral McConnell,
two situations which were going on during the 1950s involving
the present relationship between we and the extra terrestrial
D: There seems to be a rather direct correlation here. And then
the fact that later on during the intelligence community
interview of Mr. McConnell there was even an allusion to
“Senator Rockefeller:” [smiles, gestures:
Does my heart good to say his name...] “I regret to say that my
time has run out and I think somebody's manipulating this clock.
Because that much time hasn't gone by. Oh my heavens.”
a woman walked in who was from another committee and that would
be Susan Collins, I believe. But, the fact that there was a
manipulation of a clock comment going on and ... there are
several ... well, I've got it tabbed up [refers to paper in
hand] as to the relationships here, but what I'm trying to, I
guess, show the folks is how things are said publicly.
K: Yes. Absolutely. So, but what is interesting is how many in
Congress know what is really being said?
D: Well, the head of the committee here ... This committee was
chaired by [referring to the document] John D. Rockefeller IV,
Democrat, of West Virginia. And there is a ...
K: I have no doubt that
Rockefeller is in the loop.
D: Well I have, I have little doubt that he is in the loop as
well and may have been in the larger loop as opposed to not the
Majestic-12 loop... Anyway ...
K: He's a member of
D: Oh, No. No no no no no. There was a larger group that existed
between '63 ... '67 properly, and approximately 2002 called the
Committee of the Majority.
K: Oh, OK, well then ...
D: I mean, you've got people like Rockefeller that can call the
war that happened in 1991 as the Persian Gulf Procedure.
[smiles] That's right, he actually called it the Persian Gulf
D: It wasn't a procedure that I was in, but anyway ...
K: Well, OK. But we've heard that since then it's now called ...
There are 40 members that it's called ... isn't it the PI-40?
D: That's an old name.
K: That's an old name?
D: That's an old name for it.
K: So what you're saying or what is being said here is that
there is some catastrophic event that has been mitigated to some
degree, hopefully, by a certain amount of unity on the planet
and a certain amount of effort towards the positive. And I'm
assuming the ...
D: And removal of equipment, yeah.
K: OK but they removed the equipment because the equipment told
them to remove it? In other words ...
D: They removed the equipment because the history indicated that
the equipment was operating during the time of the catastrophe
and was a proximate cause to the catastrophe by increasing the
amount of energy into our
and causing a global
catastrophe of geo...
K: Well, that, in a sense the equipment was telling ... You
know, it's almost like ...
D: Well it was the equipment and it was the delegates. It was
also the delegates to the treaties and the representatives,
K: The Orions were saying, “Hey. Hey guys, it's the equipment.
Shut it down and you'll have better luck”?
D: They were ... they were the leading force in that, yes.
K: Really. OK. Now I'm going to ask you something that may come
across a little controversial, but ...
D: [jokingly] Noo! We have been talking about such prosaic items
all evening ... I'm not certain I could ...
K: What makes you think that they have our best futures in mind
when they told us to turn that equipment off? In other words,
why should we believe them?
D: Well, we should believe them simply because of the
possibility and because we are talking about four and a half
billion, up to five 5 billion people here, all right? Now let's
think about this for a moment. If we leave the equipment in
place and nothing happens. So what? What is the harm in removing
D: Now that would be the corollary question to the question that
you just asked. If they don't have our best interests at heart,
how would our removing that equipment prevent the catastrophe
that we're hearing about from three different cultures? ...
Meaning the Orions, the J-Rods and the J-Rods from an earlier
time. How would removing that equipment proximate the
catastrophe? Only leaving the equipment in place would be the
dangerous move. So there's no harm in turning .. in unloading a
gun, but there is a possible harm in having it loaded.
K: Sure. It's like the joke of believing in God. It's like the
‘60s joke about whether to believe in God or not. If you believe
in God and there is no God, there's no harm. But if you do
believe in God and there is a God, it's going to be a good thing
in the end, right?
D: Well, it may take you a few more trips back, but ...
K: [laughs] OK. So ...
D: I don't know. That's up to God. [laughs]
K: Well, in a sense that's what you're saying.
D: You know this is an issue of practicality. You know, if we
have a piece of equipment there that could possibly cause us
harm. Let's say they're wrong and it doesn't. You better pull it
apart anyway. We're talking about, you know, the consequence of
nearly five billion people. We would be stupid not to, in other
K: OK. What about the natural Stargates that still exist on the
D: What has been heard from my background concerning the natural
Stargate issues is what was going on at Frenchman Mountain and
to access that they were using one of the Stargate devices. They
had it hauled out there.
K: OK. In mean, for example, Sedona has several vortexes.
D: Oh sure, they're all over the place.
K: Yes. And there are several natural vortexes, you know ...
even a cyclone or a hurricane creates a sort of a vortex.
K: OK. Through which certain races can travel in their ships, it
is said. OK?
K: Do you have anything to say about that?
D: No ...
K: Those are natural Stargates ...
D: Meaning a portal which does not require hardware?
D: Well. I don't know.
D: I don't know. Well, I guess I could probably make some sort
of a comment relative to Lotus. There is a possibility that the
portals that we're seeing during Project Lotus may be
micro-wormholes. And certainly at least information is being
carried through those portals from somewhere to here and it's
causing an effect in the environment.
Now we're assessing presently to see whether or not they're
naturally produced. And in August, according to certain
circumstances, we're planning on running tests out at Frenchman
Mountain to determine whether or not it is a natural phenomenon.
D: I mean, you know, you could say that a travel in time could
be a warp produced by a gravimetric device of a craft and could
move large distances in little to no time. So I'm not certain
what the difference is physically or mathematically between that
and what is being called an Einstein-Rosen Bridge. You would
need a physicist for that. I'm used to working on cells and ...
K: Right. But. You know ... and in a sense if Lotus is creating
some kind of Stargate effect ...
D: That's wonderful.
K: ... or micro-wormhole ...
D: That's wonderful if it is.
K: It is wonderful, but in a sense you might also have to let go
of Lotus in that sense if it's going to impact ...
D: Oh, I have. I have, in effect. But for more tangible reasons.
We brought the fine art of producing these portals for
demonstration up to a science. We knew exactly what to do ...
know exactly what to do ... to propagate them with nearly 100%
They range in size, thus far that we've seen, between about
.02mm or about 20 microns, up to a millimeter. When we produce
them now in the field they are approximately a millimeter in
diameter and that's putting a heck of a lot of energy in, 50
times more energy than what we would do through the microscope.
But we brought it to the point where it was a beautiful thing,
where I could hook the right optics train on the scope,
propagate with the use of a laser, and electricity ... and turn
around immediately on the surface of silicate.
And then we started getting things coming through on this end,
or at least results in the medium around the crystal or around
the silicate material that we were using, which were not normal.
Cells of anomalous origin. Self-organizing cells which appeared
to be organizing. In one case we did a variant of the ancient
experiment - historic experiment - concerning
beef broth, to rule out spontaneous generation.
And we had a very nice AB/AB neuronal type pattern formed by
cells that were self-organizing and there were clearly ...
Morphologically they appeared like neurons in the soup that we
had. And so we had some real problems developing. We had two
other consequences where we had what were produced were
anomalous cells of unknown quality and ...
K: ... coming through ...
D: Well, what we had is we had an organization, I think, going
on, on this end. Now we're coming very close and more is going
to be said in about a year about this, but we're coming close to
determining the mechanism and what it appears thus far is that
there is a ... an opening to a somewhere which is then placed in
communication with our environment acoustically and then there
is a series of reactions with micro-shards of silicate material
or micro-shards of quartz in our environment which then become
actually spontaneously, or nearly so, enclosed with material
from our environment. And they move off to various locations and
actually have effects on target cells in our environment. And
so, it's apparently based acoustically.
K: Well that's understandable, although it's complex and I'm not
a biologist so I don't pretend that I understand all of it. But
I understand where you're going with this. But you still ... In
essence, to get back to Stargates, because that's the subject of
D: Really! Am I still ...
K: No, you're there, but the thing is that what I'm curious
about is ...
D: I'm loosening the lock on the camera so it drags ... [laughs]
K: ... is ... I'm actually curious whether or not these
natural Stargates that do occur in nature are not being accessed by
beings, whether they be the Orions or whoever, at will, into
D: Well, I've got no information that the P-52 Orions or P-52
J-Rods or the P-45 J-Rods are accessing such a system save the
use of time travel technology, gates that move one spot to
another and than the use of craft for moving from there to here
... meaning to ... from a spot
in Reticulum, for instance, to a
place in the Aquarius system, Gliese ... or however it's
properly said ... and then, which is the origin, from what I
Project Aquarius itself because they were known
to be coming from that direction. And that is, I believe, in the
Aquarius constellation. But ...
K: Because they're not ...
D: They use craft, then, to move from there to here but they're
using a gravimetric technology to warp time-space, so I suppose
that could be the same use. But I don't think it's a situation
kind of like, you know, you walk out into a wilderness and see a
whole parade of people coming through a Stargate with, you know,
4 heads and 16 eyes, and things like that.
K: Well what about a parade of craft?
D: I don't know. That's the best answer I can give. It's the
most honest one I can give. I don't know. I have not in 20 years
of history ... of history with Majestic, heard of anything like
that from them, meaning as part of either a treaty system or an
ongoing operation. However, I've also heard reports of craft
being seen in the sky. I've seen craft in the sky which I was
not directly involved like the Mae Boyar Park incident in ‘73.
I've seen what I believe ... Well I will have to say lights in
the sky, not craft.
K: We've seen lights ....
D: She [indicating Marci] has seen craft, and, you know, she's
not feeding me full of a line of bull.
K: Many nights you can stare at the sky and see craft zipping
D: Well there are meteors too, and there are also experimental
aircraft of various types. There also back-engineered aircraft
which are being spotted too.
K: OK, but according to what you're saying there is a treaty in
which we have Stargates or access to wormholes that we
mechanically opened and closed ...
K: ... based on a treaty system in which we were allowed to get
information, and send information back and forth but that we
didn't use to go out but they used to come in ...
D: Substantially, yes.
K: OK, but we closed all those down, according to what you're
telling us ...
K: OK. So now I'm asking ...
D: Where's the Yellow Book? [laughs]
K: No. No. But if there are natural Stargates out there that
they can use any time they want. So they no longer have use of
our Stargates. So in the sense of a treaty, they have access
anywhere, any time ...
D: OK, if they do, let's posit if they do for a moment. The ones
that we have to be concerned about would be the P-45s because
they are looking to justify their own history. They would be
very happy, aside from being paid off constantly, they would be
very happy to see their own history justified.
K: How are they paid off?
D: They're paid off with technology, with assistance. In the
past they were paid off with a certain number of abductions per
K: What would they do with those people?
D: Aside from a longitudinal genetic drift study? That's enough.
You know, people were, some of them were literally handed over
and I consider it illegal and I consider it a violation of
international law. I consider it a crime against humanity and
that's why I did what I did to stand up against it as best as I
could. And to get it off the books.
K: What about the idea that some P-45s have shape-shifted, you
know, (excuse the terminology) but, into human form are here
working in the government under a human form furthering their
own, you know ...
D: It is a substantial probability that they have the ability
because I've interacted with ones that would ostensibly look
human and I really don't like talking about the so-called Men in
Black, or Men in Black phenomenon.
K: But when you talk the Men in Black, those were people that,
or beings, that ... and you went in, in our last discussion into
quite a description of that kind of thing. But I'm talking about
somebody who is acting like you and me, looking like you and me,
absolutely undetectable ...
K: ... and still could be furthering OR could even be ...
D: If they are, they're not J-Rods. If they are, they're not
J-Rods. Orions? Possible. Possible. They are very, very
brilliant people. The short interactions, the very short
interactions that I had with them I was very impressed...
Whereas I would not want to be spending that much time around
P-45s at all, I would have enjoyed, in fact I would have felt
privileged, speaking with them further.
K: Are you talking about ... When you say Orions, are you
talking about the Nordics?
D: I think that's how they're usually ... They've been called
Talls. They're essentially, you know, the anthropomorphic very
tall human beings with blond hair, very large eyes, very blue,
pretty eyes. Larger than our eyes, as in ratio to cranium size.
The orbits are larger, etc.
They're just brilliant, just absolutely brilliant people. And
what I found most intriguing about them was how they modulated
what I consider their brilliance through emotion. The emotions
coming from them were so less rudimentary, they were so more
complex than what even I experienced with Chi'el'ah. I would
have really enjoyed spending some more time with them.
K: OK, but they're here on this planet interacting with us,
isn't that so?
D: Well they interacted with us. I'm not certain if there are
presently any on Earth or not right now. I would say that, that,
you know, they're 50,000 years or a little more than that ahead
of us, but given the similarity between body structure, between
size, even, and body structure, except for thoracic ratio ...
I think they could probably, if their eyes didn't look the way
their eyes look, they could probably get away with walking
around. But their eyes are way larger than ours. And they look
essentially like these Bratz dolls that the little twin girls
are going after nowadays. You know, the eyes are too large. You
see these eyes, these hypersized eyes. I mean, it's fine on a
Bratz doll but if you walk this thing out on to the street, it's
going to get picked out very quickly.
D: I just don't think so. Now, at the same time I have to say
... are they smart enough to probably get away with it, figure
out how? Maybe. Maybe. I doubt it personally, because, you know
.... I've met a lot of very interesting, but a lot of ... a few
strange people in the last four and a half years talking with
the public, who believe that there are literally reptilians
walking around that are wearing masks and things like that. No.
You know, I'm a little more rooted in reality. I hate to put it
that way but, no. I joked with her [gesturing to Marci off
camera] that I wanted to do something over at the first place
where we were at for my debriefing. I said when the debriefing
gets done what I wanted to do is I wanted to hire some special
effects people for real [lKerry is laughing].
We would end the
debriefing then we would stop and then we would being filming
with another camera. I was going to ... I was just suggesting a
joke. It never got pulled off. Somebody ... [Marci says,
off-camera: 'No way.' Dan laughs.] What I was going to do was
have a special effects person work up ... work me up with my
face over the top of a reptilian face. And I was going to rip it
off and go, “God, I'm tired of these human masks!” And just have
this little segment put out there as a joke. But she told me
that people would take it seriously.
[Marci, off-camera]: You can't do that... people would believe
Kerry: It's true.
D: I don't know. I've got a strange sense of humor, I guess.
K: OK. But you have been dealing with P-45s and P-52s and these
beings are ... their treaty system is being adhered to because
they are here in underground bases monitoring us at all times
because otherwise how do they know that we are abiding by the
Tau treaty? Because supposedly we broke treaties. Isn't this
D: Well, we have ... we have, ah, strained ... Oh-ho, I've
be ... We have strained the treaty system more than once. So
have the P-45s.
K: Right, so ...
D: We have in fact come into conflict with one another at
certain times. These conflicts have been amicably resolved and
we are presently in an amicable state with one another. We're
not the only ones with the Looking Glass technology that can
look in to other timelines. In other words, they have the
equipment too. And so it's not that difficult for those who
might be to wishing to enforce the treaty on their
great-great-ancestors to look in to the present time as an
expression of them looking into their own past and watching it
K: OK, so in a sense you're saying they know what we're going to
do before we do it.
D: They know the probabilities and so they are substantially
capable of interacting with us if they feel that those
probabilities are moving to eventuate their own history as they
have it written for them.
D: The P-52s define that as an unacceptable outcome.
K: So they're pushing their advantage whenever they can?
D: They're pushing the advantage of not justifying their own
past so that they may either split off on their own timeline,
but that their own history would not eventuate a catastrophe.
Now if you consider that pushing their own advantage, sure. Now
the P-45s ... The characterization that you place - pushing
their own advantage - I would say that that was an appropriate
K: Well, I was ...
D: Yeah. Yeah, the P-52s are much more amicable and a little
further along. I'll just say that they are a little more
spiritually adept, the P-52 Orions, certainly, more than the
P-45 J-Rods. They are extremely mechanical, very very logical,
yet ruthless. Extremely ...
K: You're speaking of the P-45s?
D: Yeah, they have no problem picking up somebody like me out of
the middle of a park and shoving a probe up his wazoo to test
him, yeah. And they've got no problem with that at all. I have,
however, a substantial problem with that and I think other folks
who have been largely abducted, not everybody, but, you know, a
fair number of them also have a problem with that.
K: OK. What about the idea that ... We have somebody, Jim
Sparks. I don't know if you know who he is. He's written a book
called The Keepers.
D: I'm aware of Jim Sparks as he is the personal friend of a
couple of folks with whom we became close acquaintances, and ...
K: OK. So he's telling us that he has conscious recall of his
D: Uh huh.
K: And that groups of people were abducted by what sounds like
P-45s because they have real issues with control, and put in ...
D: Boy, that was said nicely.
K: [laughs]... and put in front of computer screens and shown
scenes of the Earth... first a beautiful Earth, and potentially
fantastic futures, and then shown the opposite of that, so that
what would be generated in these people is a love of the planet
and a desire to make it a better place.
D: Uh huh. And also there is an aim to this. They are aware that
our emotions affect our state, our physical state. That our
orientation to the energies which are available from the cosmos,
if you will, affect the state of our DNA, affect the state of
our health and they are applying that as an experimental
protocol, a rubric, if you will, to change the state of the
people onboard so that they can sample them for biological
The fact of what we take away from it is beside the point. That
is just whatever we take away and it's our take on it and a
person, an experiencer, if you will, then goes off into our
world and says how he or she feels about the experiment or about
what they were subjected to or about what they were shown. But
there is a cold hard cruel reality involved here that we are
being picked up for biological material as an experimental
K: OK, meaning, what these people that are being abducted are
doing is, providing DNA, providing eggs and sperm so that they
can, what? Experiment or create their own future humans?
D: What they're trying to do is that they're trying to
ameliorate their own neuropathology which is already starting,
and is becoming an issue within their populace at their
timeline, concerning reproduction.
K: So how many people do they need to figure that out?
D: Well, as many as what they wanted to take until they get the
answer figured out, and they really don't care because it's the
old proposition of the anthill along the side of the road in
Africa. You know, we are to them, from their perspective, the
ants on the anthill, and how would we feel about stepping on one
or two ants or a few million ants out of an anthill?
cause a few people with I consider higher intelligence, some
moral problems just stepping on them, but you know, how much
would we really care about that? They feel that way about us.
They want to use us as biological material, watch us get
destroyed to justify their own background, their own history,
and at the same time take the biological material from us and
solve their own personal present problems.
K: OK, but how are we fighting them?
D: What do you mean?
K: In other words, you've just told me they have a tremendous
amount of control, they're
abducting a huge number of people,
and they're continuing their experiments.
D: Well, they have. The numbers who are being abducted now are
not treaty related. In other words, there is nobody being taken
presently ... zero ... authorized by treaty. I can't stop them
from taking people out of their beds at night but I did
influence the other.
To Kerry: Is it rolling?
K: I'm rolling ... [mumbled voices]
D: H.G. Wells ... The epilogue in his Time Machine ... The Time
Machine, by H. G. Wells ... I keep this on my desk.
D: It says [reading]:
“One cannot choose but to wonder will he
ever return? It may be that he swept back into the past and fell
among the blood-drinking, hairy savages of the age of unpolished
stone, into the abyss of the Cretaceous sea, where among the
grotesque saurians, the huge reptilian brutes of the Jurassic
times, he may even now, if I may use the phrase, be wandering on
some plesiosaurus-haunted oolitic coral reef or beside the
lonely saline lakes of the Triassic age.
Or did he go forward
into one of the nearer ages in which men are still men, but with
the riddles of our own time answered and its wearisome problems
solved, into the manhood of the race? For I, for my own part,
cannot think that these latter days of weak experiment,
fragmentary theory, and mutual discord are indeed man's
culminating time. I say for my own part.
He, I know, for the
question had been discussed among us long before the Time
Machine was made, thought but churlishly of the advancement of
mankind and saw in the growing pile of civilization only a
foolish heaping that must inevitably fall back upon and destroy
its makers in the end. If that is so, it remains for us to live
as though it were not so.
But to me the future is still black
and blank as a vast ignorance, lit in a few casual places by the
memory of this story. And I have by me for my comfort two
strange white flowers, shriveled now, and brown and flat and
brittle to witness that even when mind and strength have gone,
gratitude and a mutual tenderness still lived on in the heart of
That means a lot to me. I actually hold on to that. I hold on to
that so much, as such a prescient bit of thought, that I
actually keep the flowers from my great-grandmother's grave in
there with it.
You know, I don't know what's going to happen in the future, and
all I can do is hope like everybody else and pray like everybody
K: OK. Well, thank you, Dan. I understand that we've actually
over-taxed you and asked you, you know, an incredible amount of
information here, and you've been very generous. And I really
want to thank you for ...
D: Well, it's my responsibility to say truth.
K: OK. Well, you definitely do that and what I would like to
also say is ... How do we fight them? For the people that are
out there, and what we know is, unity is one way in which we are
progressing out of a certain timeline into another. Right?
K: OK, but if you have anything else to add to that for people
[Marci, off-screen]: I'd like to add something.
D: To me it's unity ...
[Marci, off-screen]: Constant vigilance.
D: Yes. That's good, very good. Constant vigilance. Also, there
are many operatives, not just like Marcia and myself, but many
operatives that are coming out of the old Majestic, who have had
experiences like this. Most of those operatives are not willing
to say anything. However, that doesn't mean that they're not
We are acting in concert with some of those
operatives and with other groups to try to motivate the
information from the inside which could be used for the
beneficial application for humanity. We're doing our very best
to motivate that through and some of it is being seen, very
little snippets of it ... the projects that we're proposing that
are going to be coming in the future, like AARGO and ISIS.
I guess the only thing I can really say, aside from the constant
vigilance, is to act to the right. When a wrong needs to be
righted or there needs to be a stand taken for what is right
versus wrong, that our present time doesn't mean that we have to
... that we're so modern we have to get rid of the ideal for the
We create our own reality, and so we should, in my view,
act toward the ideal to create a better real for ourselves.