ď...thereís a real human being behind it, as messed up as they are,
Yeah. They ought to know that.Ē
Relationship with Chiíelíah
Kerry Cassidy: Iím going to tell you honestly. When I saw Bill
Hamiltonís segment, interview with you and youíre talking about your
relationship with J-Rod and how you communicated with him
Dan Burisch: Uh huh.
That struck me as incredibly real. And from that point on I was
very interested in what you had to say.
K: Because I said, this man really experienced this. This is not
bullshit. This is the real thing.
So if you could reiterate, kind of how you started working with
D: Well, he was working with me before I ever knew him. Of course,
he was on board, as I understand. I have no memory of him directly
but I mean, as I understand it, in Ď73... he had traveled to Ď73 and
then ... this is even what I said to Jeff Rense on the phone. You
know, I said, ďMy God, if this doesnít boggle.Ē I mean, it boggled
my mind. And when you think about paradoxes to start with. That he
traveled to Ď73, I was picked up and then he subsequently traveled
back to the Ď53 timeframe and there was a crash. Which means that he
was held at S-4 in 1973, at the time that I was playing baseball
with my grandpa, and that he was also on board the craft, impinging
into our time, lifting me up. Prosaically, man, it sounds crazy,
but, yeah, itís a paradox, I guess, I mean... but I actually came
into direct contact with him at the end of 1993, the start of Ď94.
Yeah, there is something wrong with him. During the entirety of my
experience around him, he appeared the best that I can describe is
ďoff-shifted.Ē Almost like... I mean, he was physical. I felt him
through the glove. There was matter there with me, but almost like
he was a ghost with a body. He didnít belong. He did not belong
where he was. Yet when he would communicate, when he would do the
entrainment... ah... they ďthumpĒ you. Almost... itís almost
They thump you, and... until they finally come into
contact with the brain-level waves where they can begin
communicating. And it comes in waves. Itís almost like flukes on a
dolphin. It comes in waves. And then you feel yourself pulled in. As
the entrainment is occurring the perception is being pulled in to
his eyes. Very unwieldy [chuckle] feeling. But then they entrain,
bring you ... bring you down to, you know, relaxed almost to a theta
state, like an 8 hertz thing, theta state, where youíre very, almost
like drowsy and they tell you, you know, theyíre not going to hurt
you. He did that. He actually said that he would not harm me.
When he stepped forward on me, when we were doing the old ďbrideís
dance,Ē as we nicknamed it, where I would... I was supposed to step
forward to him, almost like taking a brideís step up the aisle, and
then he did the thing back to me almost jokingly... but it was so
unwieldy because he broke the protocol. It was like everything that
had been established of trust at that moment... it went to hell. And
I got so afraid. There was an animal response in me at that moment,
a very, very human animalistic response... ďGet me the hell out of
Yeah, I stepped backward and fell backward on to my back and that is
really what I perceived myself as doing. As I said to Jeff [Rense],
I felt like I was a cockroach, you know, lying on my back in there.
And he walked up on to me. I heard them yelling, ďFire the repress.Ē
They were going to intumesce him. They were going to hurt him, so
that he wouldnít hurt me and I was trying to yell ďNo!Ē and Iím not
even sure to this day if I really yelled ďNoĒ or if it was just in
The stress was that bad at the moment. And he walked,
literally walked, up on to me and sat on my chest. He didnít knock
me over or anything. There was, I think, Ron or a couple other
people said, ďOh we know he knocked you over in the clean suit.Ē He
couldnít knock me over. He was too weak to knock me over. Even if he
wasnít, given his size he couldnít have knocked me over.
And how tall was he?
D: Just a little over three feet, hunched down.
K: Uh huh.
D: Almost four feet if he was to be extended out lengthwise, if he
would be lying on his back and extended out lengthwise. But the
malady, the the pathologies, under which he was suffering, caused
him to have... weakness, change of gait, change of stance, where
most of the time he was extremely hunched over forward and he really
couldnít stand up straight. When he would walk he would wobble and
kind of shuffle. He was very ill, very ill.
K: So he got on your chest. He walked on to your chest, or sat on
D: He was actually sitting on my abdomen area but he was leaning
forwarding on his hands on to my chest, pushing me down.
Was he... so he was communicating at that moment that he wasnít
going to hurt you?
D: Yes, he said, ďI wonít hurt you, Be-anie.Ē He called me
And that goes to Beanie... He broke English up very strangely.
K: And you heard this in your head, Iím assuming...
D: I heard it in my head.
K: ...it wasnít out loud.
D: No, I heard it in my head, in my own introspective voice but
clearly not coming from me.
K: Uh huh.
You know the sound of yourself when you talk to yourself.
Self-talk. Itís the same sound except... itís the wrong linguistics,
the wrong wording. You can tell itís not you. And initially when
that happens, too, there is a... From my perspective initially when
it was happening, there was a very panicky feeling. But of course
that initially happened when I was part of B-unit team when Steven
[Dr. Steven Mostow] was still going in to the clean sphere. He
looked at me through the clean sphere and spoke to me and said, ďI
remember,Ē and ďHello.Ē
K: Meaning he... the person who was... you called... what was his
name, again? The J-Rod looked at you...
K: Chiíelíah looked at you when you... when Steve was in the clean
sphere with him...
K: ...he turned around and looked at you...
D: Yeah. He turned around and looked at me. I was part of a B-unit
team to start with. In fact, that was going to be my actual
occupation in there, was assisting the chief scientist and going
into the clean sphere, until he identified me as somebody, I guess,
special to him... Chiíelíah ... and he wanted me to be the person to
go in there. Thatís why I was promoted, ultimately, to the working
group later in there. Because I didnít have the background, did not
have the seniority. I... it was not my place. But thatís why the,
the promotion happened.
K: OK. So...
D: The way a lot of promotions happen in the world, I think. But...
K: [laughs] To go back...
D: The Peter Principle.
D & K: [laughing]
K: So he went on to your chest, he told you he wasnít going to hurt
you. Did they actually zap him then or did they...
D: I donít believe so because I would have felt... he began to
entrain me immediately and strongly. He relaxed me. The encephalins
and endorphins were going big time. They entrain on several levels
and they are able to relax you by actually flooding you with natural
K: Uh huh.
Marci: Like a runnerís high.
K: So. What happened after that? You... Iím assuming...
D: Or the high that you receive as you are going through the natural
K: Uh huh.
M: Uh huh. Yeah. Where you naturally kick out the opiates...
K: But... OK. So, but what happened after that?
D: Ah... after that I began to sink away from what was going on in
the clean sphere and with the panic that was going on over the
radio... because I heard Ďem. We had two separate units, an E unit
and B unit on the radio. They were like separate radio frequencies.
And I could push the button and talk independently. But they were
stepping over each other, screaming, saying, ďGet a secondary unit
ready,Ē... to get me out of there. They were going to enter in to
pull me out. And you canít just step in there that quickly. I mean,
theyíve got to suit somebody up to bring them in. You knew before
you were going in there that the J-Rod ... ah... We were trained
that they were a threat.
D: So that we were not supposed to communicate privately with them
or anything like that we had a certain job to do and we would get it
done. And that was the scientific job of removing the samples and
then the study of the samples for the back engineering use of the
reversing life chemicals.
K: The idea was to reverse his... an illness that he and his people
K: The 52s?
The 52s. And what we were trying to do initially... jumping off
on to the biology a little bit... what we were trying to do is we
were trying to actually strip the exterior cytoplasm off from the
cells and... ah, produce cells which would be independently
functioning, then to understand those cells biochemically,
genetically, so that those cells could then be re-added as a graft
into the J-Rod to attempt to ameliorate the neuropathy. Thatís what
one of the, the stated goals was. Easier said than done. But...
K: So okay...
D: We were told, though, that if something would go wrong in there,
there would be no immediate fix. You, you werenít a million miles
away, but you were several thousand when you were inside there. So
you were very alone even though you had radio communication. It was
essentially being isolated on the space shuttle, if you will. And
not that easily... you know, not that easy to get you home.
they had to do all the repressurizations of the gantry, bring
somebody new in, then get you out, then get you detoxed ... the
cleansing... the decontamination, and then get you out of there,
then get you out of the suit, then give you medical treatment. So
weíre talking a couple hours. So if something goes wrong in there...
and they are potentially able to harm you because of the, the
entrainment... youíre dead. And thatís... you accepted before you
ever accepted going in there.
And... But to a large part it wasnít,
you know, it wasnít bravado on our part, saying, ďItís no big
thing,Ē but you had to accept that just to work inside the facility.
You knew that if there was a... a contamination, if the alarms
started going off, the old joke was, ďGet in a straight-backed
chair, and lean way over and kiss your ___ good bye.Ē It was over.
Because if the alarms started going off, you were sealed into the
facility and they were going to pump the gas in and fire the
fuel-air device. Whoa!
Thatís what the... thatís what the explosive
valves were for. The so-called escape tunnels, for you to get out in
case there was an emergency? Those were blow-off vents...
D: ...so they could blow off and explode the facility, blow off out
of the Papoose Range and keep the remainder of the facility intact.
K: So... but your experience with the J-Rod and the other ones
youíve met have basically... Were you afraid for your life at any
time? In other words, did you actually...
D: I was afraid for my life when he stepped toward me. Absolutely I
K: At that moment...
D: At that moment, but it was a very transient... you know, it was
an ephemeral moment.
K: How did you...
...that, that passed off very quickly because biochemistry helped
me calm down when he entrained me.
K: How did you feel, though, in your, sort of, interactions with
him? In other words, do you feel that... You said that you didnít
remember knowing him in the original meeting...
K: ...in the space ship. Right?
K: But he remembered, clearly.
D: He remembered.
K: So did you feel that you actually developed a friendship with
D: Oh, I absolutely did. I absolutely...
K: ...and that it grew over time... or did you feel that it was
D: Thatís a good question. Iíll say that I felt a kinship to him all
along from the time that he first looked over at me. And that may
have been a consequence of me being picked up in the park. That may
have been. My trust in what he was saying to me grew over time.
Marci: Because I remember asking you that. I specifically asked you
D: Yeah. My trust grew over time.
But it was perhaps on a deeper level...
D: There was an extant kinship there with him.
K: Uh huh.
D: And I think that may have started because of the pick up in í73,
I think. Iím trying to surmise it. There was a pickup of the jovial
nature of our friendship over time. Certainly... because Iíve got
kind of a strange sense of humor and he was able to be friends with
that kind of same weird sense of humor, where he would look over at
me and he would tell me that... what his behavior was... because I
couldnít tell when he was happy or when he was sad because of
physical characteristics, that easily.
You know, you can tell fairly
quickly with a human being from now: if theyíre happy theyíre
smiling at you. But I couldnít tell if that was pain or what it was
on his face until he specifically informed me that thatís his smile,
thatís his laugh. As that grew, my relationship with him grew. I
became more attuned to his physical responses as well and I think
that picked our friendship up as well because Iím more associating
with another human being with physical reactions as well, you know,
in the communication. And they were less so. So that was difficult.
That was very difficult.
Until I became attuned, where I became more
relaxed into what his physical responses were. When I knew he was
laughing, after that, then that got me into trouble with the folks
in the facility because I reacted naturally to his physical
responses. And so I would smile or whatever over at him, and they
would say, ďWhat is transpiring between you two?Ē Iíd hear it come
over the radio.
K: Uh huh.
D: Sometimes I would out and out lie to them and say, ďNothing.Ē
Because I was afraid. I had... I did... I had a fear of losing his
friendship too, because I wanted to learn more from him. And so I
was willing... and these are the same people that, you know, will
point the gun at me with very little compunction against it. I was
willing to be friendly, too, because he was a captive there as I was
feeling, too, a captive within Majestic, because I had been brought
into a program that I had no clue for what I was being brought into.
So I felt kind of trespassed against, too.
K: Uh huh. So you had a camaraderie in that sense.
D: Yeah. We were both prisoners in our own right.
K: Did you think that he had the ability to protect you?
D: No. I... in fact, it was... if anything, it was the other way
K: Uh huh.
D: I was covering for him and a lot of his anger. He had anger in
him too, and pain. And anger as a result of pain from the samples
being removed. I was covering for him by not telling them of the
anger, because then they would have followed an operant conditioning
protocol that had been set in, against him, to penalize him. So I
was actually protecting him.
K: So, but did he...
D: Heís a human being, for Christís sake. I mean, you get stuck with
a needle enough times, you get perturbed. And when youíre being
treated like crap on top of it... a prisoner is a prisoner.
K: In what way was he treated like crap, as you put it?
D: If he wouldnít respond as they told him, they would fire a
repress valve and change the pressurization in the clean sphere,
causing mild to moderate intumescence, a change of pressures in his
skin, because he was of lesser density, physical density, as in
weight per volume, density. The reason why Iím clarifying that is
Iíve heard a lot of new-agey comments about 4th density. I donít
know about all of that. As in weight per volume type density, he was
less dense, physically, than we were. His bone structure was less
dense than we were.
So when they would fire the, the repress valve,
or they would intumesce him, it would cause him great pain. And I was
screaming ďNo!Ē and I think, you know, that the time that he stepped
up on to me, I think they thought the better of it at the moment
because he was clearly entraining me at that moment. So if they
would have fired the pressurization at that point, I would have felt
the pain that he was feeling. And it might have killed me, I donít
K: Right, because you developed a... from what I understand, you
developed ... like the movie ET, you developed the ability to
actually feel his pain.
D: Well, it wasnít even... it wasnít even developed. It was
K: Oh, it was immediate.
D: The thing which was developed.... and Iím not sure. It may have
actually been some sort of a neurological habituation. Iím not
certain of that. But the thing which was developed was the inability
to disentrain, to break off from him.
K: Even when you left the clean sphere? In other words, regardless
of where you were?
D: [nodding yes] Within, ah, a certain range. Within, you know, like
a 15 meter range from him.
K: For example, right now?
D: I was... I could...
K: Right now, could you...
D: No, no no no.
K: ... feel his pain?
K: If he wanted you to feel it, could you?
D: No, I donít believe so. I donít believe that theyíre, ah...
capable. I mean, you know, weíre talking... now weíre talking time
K: Uh huh.
D: ...his lack of physical existence in our reality. And even if
weíre talking no time difference, weíre talking about a linear
distance of how far between here and Reticulum. Good God. No.
K: Heís back at Reticulum now?
D: Yeah. Far as Iím aware.
D: Far as Iím aware.
D: As far as Iím aware as to where he returned to. Thatís the best
information I have. And, frankly, from the time that... when it
happened in 2003 they donít even want to discuss the matter with me
because itís a real sore point. I did what I was not supposed to do.
K: Oh... you pushed him through a time hole...
D: I pushed him into...
K: ...a star hole.
D: ...one of the stargate units, yeah, into the gray patch between
the posts. Yeah.
K: And that was the end... at the end of your relationship with him?
D: That was the end. That was the last time I saw him.
K: I mean, was that...
D: It was the end of their relationship too, which is why theyíre so
K: Why were you motivated to push him into...
D: He asked me to. He told me he wanted to go home. He wanted to see
his son. So I did.
K: So he was a prisoner, but at some point you were in a position...
Iím thinking this was in Egypt.
D: It was.
Somehow you guys were, were taken to Egypt?
D: Yeah, I was flown there.
K: And so was he.
D: Yeah, but over a different transport. He had... he was already
present by the time of my arrival. There was a communication
protocol going on. He was communicating something. I was never
really told. All I was told was that there was a problem with his
communication and they wanted me to be there to cause him to relax
or whatever, to facilitate the discussion. And so they wanted me
basically there as an idola theatri, as an idol of the theatre. They
wanted me present. They wanted me there, as a ruse of kinship with
K: And had you...
D: And the kinship was no ruse. And thatís something that that they
misinterpreted, I guess, over these years, that I have more of a
kinship with a present day human versus him. And to me, although he
was, he was off-set, although he appeared different, that he didnít
belong, heís still a human being, and a human is a human is a human
to me. So I had a... I had a true friendship with him.
true affection there between the two because he was showing me
things from his childhood and I was showing him things from mine and
we were actually enjoying each otherís experience of each other in
a... a friendship. It was a true friendship and I donít really think
that Majestic ever regarded it that way. They feel themselves so
damn superior, or that weíre superior to them.
And maybe itís a
reaction. I donít know, maybe Iím rationalizing it, that itís a
reaction to the P-45s feeling that weíre inferior... the so-called
roguesí feeling of us. Maybe itís some sort of a railing against
that or a reaction against that, that they developed the attitude. I
donít know, but I know that I wasnít superior to him and he wasnít
superior to me... much brighter, but weíre still just human beings.
And just Ďcause somebody is brighter than somebody else, it doesnít
mean theyíre superior.
K: So, in... Iím just trying to figure out why in Egypt... he was
there and obviously doing some work with them.
D: He was there as part of a communication program that they had
ongoing after our program... well, way after our program, almost a
K: Almost ten years later?
D: Well, I mean, you know, it had ended in Ď96 and we had some more
briefings in Ď97 but that was about it.
K: So youíre saying that you... this happened recently, that you
pushed him into
D: It happened at the end of 2003 and... you know, I could tell from
the relationship with him that he was being honest with me. Now,
again, there have been those that have criticized and said, ďWell,
look, this guy is 52,000 years along an evolutionary line,Ē which
does not necessarily make him smarter, but certainly not better if
you look at the... the pathology, but... that he had the ability, if
he was a human being, to lie. Hmm? Yep. And we talked with each other
about lying and Majestic never knew that.
But he told me about things which would be happening in the future,
inconsequential, generally inconsequential, things. And then there
were some very consequential things. But some generally
inconsequential things that happened subsequent, which told me, not
only was he from the future, but he had access to future material
because nobody could have predicted conversations.
But that he was
being honest with me as well. I could feel his heart. And thatís all
we can really do. You know, they... they turn it into a joke on
Coast to Coast: ďThe Coast to Coast AM Challenge with Bill Burns and
George Noory. Will you step up to the plate and take this polygraph
exam?Ē Now... because polygraph doesnít work. If a polygraph worked,
we wouldnít need juries. We judge other people, other human beings,
by their honesty, by empirical data and evidence as well, but by
their spirit as well.
And... the spirit that I judged him by was
what I was feeling from him, from his heart, from his mind. And I
judged him by his relationship with his child, by how he regarded
his mother, by all of these things that we choose to regard, in the
human family, to make decisions about each other. The same things...
I mean, these common things were still present.
D: There were very, you know, many uncommon aspects to their society
to the negating of emotion, and the negating of personal names out
in society. It was still being carried within families. There was a
common theme to the human family which was still extant in his time.
And... I used that as part of my prudent discernment of him Ė or
God, I hope it was Ė that he was a good human being.
So, you assisted him in going through the stargate.
D: I pushed the Segway-type transport set on the stroller. They,
they looked like Bell jars, almost, over top of Segway-type
strollers where you could ... you know, it was almost... almost
waist height, where the, the bar was. Well you could push it in
whatever direction, and it took very little effort to move it. Ah...
and he asked me to go home.
K: So you pushed him and...
D: I did.
K: ...and what happened to you when you pushed him?
D: I pushed forward, then the next feeling was a feeling of
numbness. [chuckles] I... For a brief moment I thought I had really
screwed up and maybe killed myself or whatever because I literally
felt numb everywhere. Then I remember a flash of gray. And then I
was seated, coughing, on a block about 20, 30 meters away, maybe.
And I had people rushing up to me, still over-dramatically actually
cocking an automatic firearm at me, screaming at me. And I was
grabbed, picked up from the block and taken over and said, you know,
ďYouíre under arrest.Ē And, I mean, I had committed a violation of
the protocols. And I was being threatened with weapons to my head
and things like that.
K: So how did...
ďWhat did he say to you?Ē And, you know. Or, ďAre you a spy?Ē
And, you know... They were just acting paranoid. No. I wasnít a spy.
I just shoved him into the stargate and he went bye-bye. And thatís
essentially what happened.
K: How did you... how did Majestic react after that, to you?
D: Very angry, very angry, including the people with whom Iím the
closest... save the one present. Very angry toward me.
And how did they act... How does Majestic act when itís angry? I
mean, I guess this gets back to.... werenít... havenít you been
tortured? I mean, isnít this right?
D: I wouldnít... I donít call it torture aside from the fact that
Iíve been falsely imprisoned. Thatís torture. I was for a couple
periods of time put at S-4 in, in level 3, and basically told,
ďThatís where you are for now.Ē
K: Level three meaning...
D: At S-4.
K: Was that a cell?
D: Ah, no. It was one of the, the rooms, one of the, the small
suites if you will which were originally put in there. Thereís 12 of
Ďem, in this trident. Thereís three groups of four. And I was put in
the unit one, over to the left. And it was essentially... I mean,
it, you know, contained all the amenities. I could ask for food. Got
everything I wanted except I couldnít leave. There was no freedom. I
consider that torture.
The... the others items are acts of
unkindness. And acts of unkindness from Majestic can range from
everything from psychological unkindness - being rude to you, to
being threatening, to being physically harmful. And I have been
beaten. I have been slapped. I have been physically restrained,
meaning handcuffed and beaten and slapped. I have been put under
K: Who was...
D: Hell, I had friends doing that to me. But I had, you know, put
under intense lights and... while being handcuffed, as in
interrogated. I have been told to shut my mouth to the point where
two people grabbed me, one shoved me down on to the floor of a
garage and the other one stomped on and broke my hand.
So... and these were ďthe membersĒ of Majestic that carried out
K: ...attacks? In other words, they didnít hire someone?
D: Yes... not the J numbers. Not the J numbers. These were
D: As in security personnel. Yeah.
K: I see. So not the 1 through 12, but people that work for them.
D: Oh no, none of them have laid an unkind hand on me, ever. Great
affection, if anything, out of them...
K: But they were under orders...
D: ...like one would show great affection to a pet.
K: These... OK [chuckles] So you were viewed as a pet by some of
D: Well, Iím not saying that...
...but you were also mistreated on their orders?
Iím not saying I was viewed as a pet. Iím saying I donít know
whatís... what theyíre truly carrying in their hearts, in their
minds, and so there exists the possibility that affection can be
granted either honestly or disingenuously. It can be granted...
ah... person to person on the same level, or as an act of
K: Well, letís back up a tiny bit.
D: Well, yeah.
D: [Gesturing off camera at Marci] She brought up the name Tenet.
George Tenet... Oh, I better watch my mouth...
Marci: Uh hmm! Thatís why I mentioned the name.
D: ...before I get started talking here too much.
M: I know.
D: George Tenet was a former Director of Central Intelligence for
the United States of America. Now weíre moving on. [laughs]
K: OK... So, but what you were saying about Majestic has got me
D: [still laughing] Sorry...
K: Thatís OK. Youíre basically saying that Majestic is operating
as... is independent of the government. Is that correct?
Yes and no.
K: Or are they operating under them?
D: Yes and no. They were set independent of direct presidential
authority as far back as the late Ď40s. However, thereís more than
one individual who sits... who has sat... as a member of the twelve
who are intimately involved with the United States government, to
include its highest levels.
K: OK. And so those people were actually...
D: OK. Itís time to put the tap dancing shoes on.
K: [laughs] OK. Those people were actually ordering you to be, as a
result, letís say, of this over... you know, this sort of
overstepping the line, pushing J-Rod into the stargate, they were
ordering you to be sequestered, to be beaten, or...
D: Well, by...
K: ...harmed in some way?
D: By the time that happened... All the beatings happened prior to
that. By the time that happened there was... Basically they didnít
know what to do with me. It took everybody so by surprise... me too
[laughs] ... what I did... They didnít know what to do, and so they
really didnít. I mean, you know, I got hauled around there at the
site for a while and I got hauled back here to the US, but I was
basically after that just told ďGo home.Ē They didnít know what to
K: So is this why youíve been released from Majestic, because of
D: No. No... It was coming near the end of my time, my usefulness,
basically, anyway, aside from being ah... almost an elder statesmen
with them, because Iíd been around for like 20 years. My physical
condition has gotten worse. Iím not well, physically. So I would not
be of any use inside of a laboratory.
K: OK, but why is there... I understand that thereís been some kind
of adjournment, according...
D: That is correct.
Majestic: The New Body
K: And now thereís a new body and itís not going to be comprised of
the same people as the old body?
So why? Why have they changed members? Whatís the motivation?
D: Thereís a switchover between two
secret societies going on. One
is handing reins over to the other and it has been long planned.
However, itís not been long known by me. But itís been long, long
planned, probably decades. Iím certain it has to have been for
decades. The way they talk.
K: So Majestic is ruled by a secret society, is what youíre saying.
D: Well, Majestic has been the most famous Ė next to probably
the Freemasons Ė secret society of itself. And there are many of the
Freemasons who inhabit the Majestic, as a consequence of their
relationships. The two things are happening at the same time. And so
their philosophies, then, the philosophies of these associated
secret societies, like the Scottish Rite and York Rite, are being
imparted into the secret society known as
So whatís the quarrel between...
D: You bring who you are to wherever you are.
Majestic vs. The Illuminati
K: Sure. But whatís the quarrel between, say, the Majestic society
or group and
D: That is a real good, and itís the best question to be asked, even
more importantly than the differences between the J-Rods, because
this impacts us, I think, now.
Many members of the upper echelon... and I donít mean the
hardworking people who work on construction sites, for Godís
sakes... Many people who are in the upper echelon of the Masonic
movement, both York and Scottish rite, have accepted a philosophy
which is Luciferian in context and history. Many of the people who
are not directly, then, involved with the Majestic, who are also
associated with that Luciferian philosophy, have rubbed up against
each other for decades, probably even longer.
So somewhere along the
line in history there was a schism between those individuals who
have accepted the Luciferian history, the Luciferian philosophy,
mixed with other secret society people who have not, and ended up in
the Majestic ... and people who have accepted a Luciferian... almost
like a different, ah... denomination? if you will... accepted a
Luciferian philosophy who are not associated with the Majestic. In
other words, weíve got dirty coins on both sides.
K: OK. And when you say a Luciferian philosophy...
D: Now... meaning a materialistic, and, for lack of a better term
when it comes to the actual European Illuminati, satanic,
philosophy, where they have given their lives, their families, their
sacred honor, to this satanic thought of creating a world order
under the person that they consider the true God, which would be a Luciferian figure.
Now, these people have also (separating them from
the dirty coins in the Majestic side)... these people have also been
accepting of the influence of the P-45 rogues, who want to justify
their own history by our demise, moving from Timeline 1 over to
Timeline 2, a catastrophe. And so, the differences between the
Majestic group, some of which there have been these Luciferians
mixed in and the true Illuminati group.... Theyíre not even really
true Illuminati. I mean, thatís a word that comes back meaning
ďEnlightened Ones,Ē and these people are not enlightened.
simply under the influence of a false light. That the differences
between the two, then, have raised itself to rancor even though they
share much in common with each other. However, on the Majestic side
you have a lot of God-fearing people, too. A lot. And Iím not
talking about specifically here the twelve. Iím talking about the
line people, the people that weíve worked with. Good people. Good
people to the bone, to the soul who, who want nothing but, but good
for the world.
K: So basically what youíre talking about is there seems to be an
alliance between, for lack of a better word, the so-called
Illuminati group that has satanic followers...
D: Uh huh.
K: ...and the P-45s, what you call the P-45s...
D: Uh huh.
K: ...and the Majestic group, which, even though it has some members
from the Illuminati, basically is siding with the P-52s...
D: Yeah. I wouldnít really call them ďsome.Ē I would say that they
are Freemasons who have accepted the Luciferian influence. In other
words, they may personally disagree with it, the Luciferian
influence, but are still acting as good people.
K: For the benefit of humanity.
D: For the benefit of humanity. Exactly. And then there are some
that I have interacted with who are involved with the so-called true
Illuminati in Europe, that are God-fearing people too. Thereís dirty
coins and thereís polished coins on both sides. However... however,
the dirty coins make up the vast majority of the group on the
European Illuminati side.
2012: Two Timelines
K: OK. So, what is... Now letís get to the timelines and explain
just briefly, since this gets over into the future and
the P-45s, meaning they are from the future 45,000 years ahead of
D: 45,000 years ahead on a separate timeline to what we are
presently on, but a timeline that we could transition over to from
where we are now. So, if we are to accept that we transition, God
forbid, from Timeline 1 to Timeline 2, they would be considered
45,000 years and 52,000 years, respectively, ahead of us.
The individuals who dumped near Roswell, New Mexico back in the Ď40s
were approximately 24,000 years ahead of us in Timeline 2. And that
was a mission return, an Earth to Earth,
time travel mission.
K: Weíre on Timeline 1 now, Iím assuming youíre saying?
K: And weíre headed for 2012 and theoretically a catastrophe that
may or may not happen.
D: Right around now.
Right around now?
D: [laughs] Yeah.
Planet X and 2012
K: And this catastrophe, has it got anything to do with
D: [long pause] I donít know. There is the most
honest answer I can provide you. I know a lot of lore about a
rogue planet coming in. However, the material that Iíve actually
seen... On a repetitive, ah... crossing, if you will, of Earth
with catastrophic influences, happens not only because of a
matter of physics Ė ah, ďrogueĒ and I donít mean this toward
like J-Rod rogue Ė but rogue crossing of the Earth ... asteroids
What I have heard is that to precipitate the catastrophe, there
would be, as we pass into the plane of the Milky Way, some sort of
energetic burst through the plane of the galaxy by virtue of
wormholes that are traveling ... that travel through the plane of
the galaxy from the center of the galaxy, which have been depicted
in ancient lore... called the Serpent Rope... even the ancients...
and that the Serpent Rope would return at the time of the end of
Mayan calendar, revealing... and there are several perspectives as
to what it will reveal.
But that during this same time, the history
of the J-Rods record that this burst will cause a disruption in the
Sun and that, concomitantly with energetic bursts from the Sun and
from the wormholes which would be passing through our planet, that
there would be a disaster provoked by virtue of these time travel
Stargate devices) and the time viewing devices (the
Looking Glass devices) spontaneously turning on and directing an
inappropriate amount of energy into the crust of the Earth,
precipitating a geophysical disaster.
This geophysical disaster, in
accordance with the history of the J-Rods and Orions, record that
over 4 billion, 157 million die over a several year period by virtue
to the geophysical shift in the crust.
K: So, this is what...
D: I canít...
K: Ö is trying Ö
D: I get numb when I think about the numbers.
...is trying to be prevented?
K: Is this right?
D: Yes. Very true.
K: And how is it going to be prevented?
By the disabling and the destruction of such technology. That we
will naturally, then, pass through this Serpent Ropes. The bursts
will occur, whatever that means. I havenít physically seen it. But
the bursts will occur and there would be an imparting of energy to
our planet that will, gradually, naturally, cause changes in the
human species and the life of our planet.
And that these changes
would be positive changes for our people. And I... I frankly think
that itís already happening. Thereís a rise, worldwide, in... And I
donít think itís just a given size in the population increase. But
there is a rise in very spiritual, talented people. There is a rise
the Indigo children. Itís a... definitely, from what
Iíve seen from reading about them... a real phenomenon. These
children are of a new type and I think they are of the Timeline 1
Weíre seeing, I think in these children, these great kids, an
expression of what we will be in our own future, our next kind of
step ahead. Weíre not looking millions of years ahead or anything
like that, but our next step ahead. And itís a wonderful rise in
consciousness that I think will precipitate the next renaissance for
our people. I see it happening.
The numbers that we received before
Looking Glass was shut down,
disbanded, was that there would be a 19% probability with an 85%
confidence, that the disaster would occur, that there would be a
transition from Timeline 1 to Timeline 2. But, that then means that
thereís an 81% chance that it wonít. And so, the individuals who
want to carry the, the negative line, are convinced that itís going
to occur, are not presenting the facts. The facts are: this is the
material that we have available that we know.
K: So, what youíre saying is
the Illuminati... to get back to that
K: ...is basically the side that believes that
the transitionís going to occur from one timeline to the other.
D: Not only do they believe it will occur, they want to provoke it.
K: But what... but how does it benefit them to, to provoke it? Why
should they want to be P45s?
D: They donít. The living ones donít. Theyíre looking at the P-45s
as, as a means to an end for them. Theyíre not going to live that long.
Theyíre just going to live a normal human life and die, so they want
the control for themselves. The fact that the P-45s... thatís how
immoral these people are. The fact that the P-45s are wanting us,
to, at their stage in their own development, have a disaster which,
which justifies their own history, is being used as a means to an
end by the Illuminati who would like to see that the population is
culled so that they can gain greater control. They donít care.
K: So, OK. So, what...
D: They just want for themselves. There are really human beings that
donít care, or that care very little.
K: So what youíre saying is the Illuminati want the catastrophe to
K: ...so that a certain number... three-quarters is the number Iíve
heard... of humanity dies. They get the Earth to themselves...
D: Well, the history reads about a little over two-thirds.
K: OK. Two-thirds.
D: Thatís what the history of the J-Rods actually reads.
K: All right. Two-thirds. And then what? I mean, they still have to
live through Earth changes and cataclysms, right?
D: Right. But these people are also the ones who have their
guaranteed positions in the safety zones...
etcetera. And so they are presumed... it is not known for certain,
but they are presumed to have actually been Öbe Öthe progenitors if
you will, of the people who become the J-Rods.
K: I understand. But in a sense... there is a thought that in a
sense the P-45s, that side of humanity, is... possibly becomes
D: They become repressed. They still have their same souls, because
even after 7,000 more years of development, I could see the soul, as
you see the heart of another human being... I could see the soul in
Chiíelíah. So, it didnít leave and then come back...
But Chiíelíah was not a P-45.
D: No. He was a P-52, but that just means that he was 7,000 years
along the T2 timeline from when the P-45s...
K: So he used to be...
D: ...were in existence.
K: ...or, his people used to be, a P-45.
K: And a P-46, 47, 48.
D: Yes. Yes... yes.
D: So the soul didnít go away and then come back. Itís been there.
But then... you know what. Look. You can say that some people are
K: Uh huh.
D: The Nazis. How much soul did they have when they threw my grandpa
on to a car? How much soul did they have? We know that they had a
human soul, as black as apparently what it was or as covered over in
their demented brains but I still pray for them that theyíve... even
them... that theyíve been made whole with God. But they still had
their souls even though it was repressed.
D: In like manner, the P-45s have a soul.
OK. Well then what... OK. Youíve talked about the P-52 Orions and
the P-52 J-Rods. Am I right?
D: Uh huh.
Nordics from Orion
K: OK. What causes the split? Because the Orions, Iím thinking, are
the blond Nordics.
D: They are the ones that prefer to stay out of the safety zones
when it happens. They are the survivors who do not go underground.
K: Are these good... is this a good division of humanity? I mean,
the P-52 Orion Nordic?
D: I donít consider any division of humanity good. I consider them
the more positive of the two because I consider the positive aspects
of humanity to be the spiritual aspects.
K: So youíre saying the Nordic line is spiritual.
K: Was spiritual.
K: OK. So how does the Nordic line... I mean, you say they stay
D: They actually move off from Earth first. The J-Rods, or the
precursors to the J-Rods, stay on Earth for a great deal of time,
well after 24,000 years from the time of the transition, 24,000
years from now. Because they were 24-or-so-thousand years ahead of
us when they crashed in Roswell in 1947. Those were 24s. They stay.
The Orions move off first to the place ... after the reestablishment
of a society on the surface of the Earth ... technology is
refurbished, etcetera....they move off to the place where the Ark is
The Ark on the Moon
K: Which is where?
D: Our nearest body, the Moon.
K: The Moon.
D: Where on it, Iím not going to say.
OK. Well, this gets into...
D: Because of having to defend against the possibility of Timeline 1
transitioning over to Timeline 2 in a manner different than Iíve
been told. And Iím not going to be the person who hands off the
K: So... OK, but youíre saying the Nordics are going to get off
Earth if the catastrophe happens. Or regardless.
D: They leave after.
K: After the catastrophe happens.
Presumably several thousand years after it happens, they leave.
K: Several thousand years.
D: Yes, they move to the Moon.
K: Oh. I was getting the impression you were talking about them
going on space ships or something.
D: [shaking head no] Not really. No. They move off to the Moon
several thousand years, via space craft. They get to the place where
the Ark was held and that they re-establish a new community. From
there they move to Mars. From Mars, out to Orion.
K: So they...
D: Weíre talking a lot of time here.
The Face on Mars
K: The ďfaceĒ on Mars... is this... Are we looking at something that
was left behind by the Nordics?
D: Uh huh.
So weíre looking...
D: As best as I know.
K: ...weíre looking forward to our future when...
D: Weíre looking at a paradox.
K: ...when weíre looking at the ruins.
D: Yeah. Weíre looking at a paradox of their ruins, which they left
on another planet.
K: In the... in our future.
D: In our future.
K: In our possible future.
K: OK, well, to come back...
D: [pointing at Kerry] Sheís actually got the best command of this
information of anyone in the public with whom Iíve spoken.
Marci: I know.
K: [laughs] Thank you. Thatís a very sweet thing to say.
D: Itís honest.
K: Thank you. Weíve got a... Iím getting another question here from
our small audience, and I must say that Bill Ryan...
Bill Ryan of the Orions? [laughs]
K: Bill Ryan is also sitting with me and, and listening to this
amazing information and asking some good questions.
When weíre looking at Mars, are we looking into the future?
D: Now the question is this...
B: I just donít understand that.
D: The question of... of the day is that what is going to happen?
What is going to happen when the... when the transition occurs and
we either continue on 1 or, God forbid, number 2, happens? If number
2 happens weíre not going to be worried about Mars. We will have
much more important things to worry about at that moment.
Letís say, God willing, and I think we will, remain on Timeline 1
... whatís going to happen with our imagery of Mars? I think that we
will probably remember taking images of these anomalous structures.
And there have been some anomalous structures imaged on the moon as
well. I think weíre probably going to remember that. At least I
think so. If we donít, itís not going to matter, now, is it?
K: So what youíre saying is weíre going to go back to the idea that we
never... that there are no... is no face on Mars.
D: Or there will be a face on Mars and it will be presented to us at
that moment as something different. Maybe the bricks will turn to
rocks and we will get there and find out that all these beautiful
ruins, including the, the Scorpion. You donít think itís a scorpion,
tell me what it is, OK? Iíll show you the images from Star City. On
the top of this pyramid. If itís not a scorpion, tell me what it is.
But, perhaps weíre going to get there and weíre going to find out
that all of this presumed architecture that we are seeing by virtue
of the geometry that we are attempting to apply to these images, is
nothing more than rocks, that weíve never been there. Because, at
that moment, because we had not transited over to Timeline 2, that
we have never visited there until we finally put ďman on Mars.Ē
B: But thereís a profound paradox here...
D: There is.
B: ...because what I hear you saying is that weíre looking through
telescopes, where weíre receiving light in present time, with a few
D: A few minutes.
B: ...thatís being reflected off objects on the surface of Mars,
that weíre actually looking at a possible future.
D: Thatís right.
B: I donít understand.
D: There are impacts into our timeline now which have occurred. This
is the information that I received not only from Chiíelíah, but also
from the material within Majestic. There are impacts into our
reality now, our timeline now, by virtue of the amount of time
travel which has occurred. Every time they have gone back in time,
they have caused small paradoxes which have built up as our reality
that we now perceive. In other words, there is actual Newtonian
superimposing. And that is a frightening thing to me.
So, itís almost like putting money in the bank, though, every
time they come, from the P-45, in a sense. Their timeline...
D: I look at it more as creating a larger heap of manure. [laughs]
K: Well, OK. [laughs] Emphasis appreciated. However, nonetheless, it
is like a deposit towards the actual occurrence happening. It... I
D: I donít know.
K: ...they are agents of change, in a sense.
D: They are agents of change as all human beings are agents of
change. But I donít know whether there is a cause effect, whether
there is a nexus between cause and effect, having to do with their
amount of time travel and the superimposition which is going on in
our reality, and the disaster itself. I think that the disaster
itself, from everything that Iíve read and heard, is a direct, ah...
consequence of the technological aspect of bringing too much energy
toward us, in a non-natural manner.
K: OK. Well basically youíre saying thereís two timelines. I mean,
Iím sure youíre aware of the work of physicists now that are saying,
ďLook, if you can have two timelines, you can have two million.Ē
D: Well, donít we really have three? Or four. Iím discussing
24,000s. Iím discussing 45,000s, 52,000s and present day. How many
timelines are that? Because these people moved ahead linearly in
their timeline. Just because we want to call it Timeline 2 doesnít
mean that there are other effects or superimposings which are
occurring on different realities during even their own timelines. We
K: Exactly. I mean thereís a sense in which what you are talking
about is not so much that the P-45s, for example, Timeline 1 exists,
as it will actually separate from our reality and become more like a
parallel reality instead of an intersecting one.
D: From what I understand, the people who are just prior, which
would be us according to their history, to the people who were just
after, exist as a straight vector of time. So in other words, God
forbid the catastrophe occur, it will just appear as tomorrow and a
catastrophe occurs, etcetera, etcetera, and we move forward and
changes start occurring in the Earth, there is a disaster, there is
a loss of, of huge life, etcetera. You wonít probably feel anything
change aside from the fact that weíll all be running scared for our
lives. Aside from that I have no explanation.
K: OK. Youíre saying that if the catastrophe occurs.
K: But if it doesnít occur, thereís still the element in which we
have been visited by, by a timeline which really does exist in a
D: I... I...
K: ...and how do you unmake something which has been made? [Dan
shaking head no] Thatís kind of... I mean, itís kind of more of a
D: I donít know, and all I can do is defer to the creator on that
D: ...issue because all we do is perturb...
K: What has told you that this is true?
All of the above.
D: Itís all of the above, plus information directly from Majestic.
Looking Glass Technology
K: Why is Majestic in a place to know that this actually happens or
doesnít happen? In other words, youíve got the Looking Glass
technology that they used, and you used. And, you were
D: No, I didnít use it, personally.
K: ...in discovering? Were you in... No?
No. Oh, no no no no. This is an original technology which was
derived from ancient cylinder seals, by people from our future who
provided it to us, meaning the rogues, the P-45s.
K: OK. The people who...
D: We wouldnít have...
K: ...are negative.
D: Thatís right. We wouldnít have this lovely technology if it
wasnít planted in our past for us to use now. The entirety of the
technology must either be disabled or destroyed.
K: In other words, to unmake the technology.
D: Until at least...
K: So that...
D: ...after we pass through this time period. There is no way. From
the deceit, the conceit, the avarice, and the greed that I have been
around over the last twenty years... so thatís the good side of
these two dirty coins. There is no way that theyíre not going to start
this equipment back up again if itís usable after this. Of course
theyíre going to. Come on. I mean, theyíve got this... itís like a
magic box... to try to see into the future. What theyíre going to do
in the future with regard to that, Iíve got no clue. I have no power
over it and I have no clue.
K: OK. So this Looking Glass technology comes from cylinder seals.
D: Originally, yes.
Originally it was a series of instructions for accessing the
wormholes, which naturally pass in the hyperspace in which we find
ourselves. And from there they worked on the technology, they built
the equipment from the instructions. After building the equipment
from the instructions, they began to tweak it and find different
things out about it. One of the things that they found is that they
could actually use it as a peering portal, like a peering glass, if
you will, to see different aspects of, not only the future, but the
K: Are these Sumerian... ah, Sumerian...
D: I would say that they slightly predate Sumerian timeframe but
that some of the information which came down from cylinder seals
that slightly predated the Sumerian timeframe were then recopied in
Sumerian seals as well, and ...
K: And Egyptian?
D: ...those cylinder seals... Oh yes. And those cylinder seals, to
the best of my knowledge, have all been obtained.
D: Some of them from Iraq. Yes.
K: Some of them from Egypt?
D: Some of them from other... Some of them from Egypt. Some of them
from other countries where they were being stored.
D: And I really donít want to get my country into too many problems
K: And, and you got...
If we could stop for a second...
K: Go ahead.
M: I want to reiterate. The rogue P-45s jumped back, seeded the
D: [nods head yes] Uh huh.
M: ...thatís what they wanted to do, was to seed the land
facilitate the catastrophe. Because by placing the technology
available they knew that... it would be utilized. And as long as we
as people... Oh my God. [camera turns to Marci]. But, they wanted to
D: Oh please, tape her!
M: ...and seed the technology because they felt that, as people, we
would be unable to break ourselves away from using that technology.
K: How is it that this technology is being utilized now? And isnít
... if youíre talking about a wormhole, isnít it the same thing as a
D: Essentially, yes. The technology is not being utilized now.
Anywhere we find it, we take it.
K: Whoís ďwe?Ē
K: Because you have warring factions.
K: Youíve got the Illuminati on the one hand, youíve got
Majestic on another.
D: Yep. ďWeĒ is the... we is
the United States as part of the UN.
You know... I donít really want to comment too much about NATO and
whoís controlling the NATO alliance at this point. But....
K: Isnít it a fact that the Illuminati....
Weíre doing most of the lionís share.
K: ...would be stealing back this Looking... ? I mean, if they want
it to happen, they... Their objective would be to steal these
cylinders and get them...
D: [nodding head yes] Yes.
K: ...so that they could use the Looking Glass technology.
D: Yes. But they canít show up as an aggressor to steal anything
back so what they do is they vote against us.
K: How does that stop...
D: Well, it plays out...
K: ...the technology?
D: It plays out in the UN. Well, we had Looking Glass technology,
and portal, actual
stargate technology, in Iraq, as late as the
start of 2003. And a lot of countries donít want us... didnít want
us to enter Iraq. We did, though, didnít we?
K: Right. But how is it that... In other words, if...
D: Moammar just handed his two over. We just told him that we were
going to make him rich beyond avarice. And he was a little smarter
than Saddam, thatís all. And so what he did is he handed them over
and says, ďOh, please, come into my country.Ē He says, ďLook at my
equipment to make sure that Iím not making any weapons of mass
destruction.Ē Meanwhile, out the back door goes the two that Saddam
actually had transferred over to him.
D: Well, equipment, stargate...
D: ...technology. Yeah. For them to experiment with. They were
K: But if the Looking Glass technology is the same thing as... it
accesses a wormhole... The technology...
D: It actually...
K: ...it accesses a wormhole.
D: ...does that. Yes.
K: It also accesses stargates.
D: Well, thatís essentially the same thing. Iíve been using the term
K: Stargates occur...
D: ...to mean a machine that accesses a wormhole by spreading out
the energy, the strange matter or whatever it is... and Iím not a
physicist... that spreads it out in a compatible way to either
communicate through it... or passage of information. That includes
K: But, it occurs...
D: ...physical bodies.
K: ...it occurs naturally. Stargates occur naturally.
D: Indeed they do.
K: So how do you close those?
D: You donít. And we donít want to. We donít want to. The history
reads that the natural passage of us through this energetic space is
a good thing. But itís our use of technology which provokes the
K: So itís...
D: Itís our enhancement of this natural system, inappropriate
enhancement, which provokes the catastrophe. And so, no, we donít
want that to happen. I think that the energetics that weíre passing
through is part of whatís happening to us naturally, thatís changing
us in a positive way. Itís part of the loving cosmos that weíre part
of. I think thatís probably one of the factors, not all, but one of
the factors for the rise of these beautiful children, the Indigo
children. And, and Iím all for it. Iím all for it.
K: So we want to leave the stargates, the
natural stargates. Theyíre
leaving those alone.
D: Right. We want to keep our hands off of nature. Pull our hands
away. Get it away from the fruit of the tree of life, so to speak...
get it away, and just let nature happen during this time. That will
be a good thing. However, we also have people who oppose that
because they want what they want when they want it.