Thanks to the excellent work of a key supporter, we now have
documents which carefully compare the original and changed
versions of the WingMakers interviews.
Using simple color coding,
these two documents allow you to see exactly what was deleted
from the two interviews on the original WingMakers website, and
what was added afterwards.
All blue-shaded text in the linked documents below was part of
the original interviews, but deleted from the changed versions.
All magenta-shaded text was not in the original interviews, but
included in the version now posted on the wingmakers.com
For a summary and exploration of these changes, read on.
To view the full text with color-coded comparison of the two
interviews now, click on the links immediately below.
The original interviews appeared with the first posting of the
WingMakers website in late 1998.
They were changed sometime in mid-2001. Starting in early 2001,
the entire WingMakers website, which had remained unchanged up
to that point, began to change and take on a new flavor.
Though subtle, the changes
often appeared designed to lead readers back to hierarchical
ways of thinking and to the need for saviors in the form of a
This is quite a contrast to the message in the
Though other parts of the current website have continued to
change and develop, we have not seen any further changes to the
two interviews since they were first changed in 2001. However,
two additional interviews which were not part of the original
WingMakers website were later added. You can verify all of this
using archive.org, which shows how the website appeared at
various times in the past.
Click here to explore these changes now.
To see the entire original WingMakers website virtually
unchanged from how it once appeared,
To go directly to the first of the two interviews on the
click here. For the first interview as it now appears on the
click here. As the two interviews are quite long, we will
present a few of the major changes here which demonstrate that
they were more than simply "additions" to the story, as has been
claimed numerous times by James.
For those who don't know, James appeared on the website in 2001
claiming to be the originator of all of the WingMakers material.
He also claimed that the WingMakers story was only a modern day
I originally thought the WingMakers story might be a myth, but
after seeing the level of subtle, yet very sophisticated changes
and the energy behind the new material added to the website, I
became convinced that the original story was likely true and a
cover-up was taking place involving James and those working with
I invite you to open to your own spiritual guidance and draw
your own conclusions as you explore these intriguing matters.
Summary and Exploration
Here are some samples of
changes demonstrating that the changes made to the interviews
were much more than just additions to the story, as
James has claimed in a
personal email to me and elsewhere. All comments not part of
either the original or changed interviews are in italics.
Original interview text (deleted from interview on current
Dr. Anderson: "I decided to leave the project after I was
successful in deducing the access code for the optical disc.
Shortly thereafter I became aware of what I can only
describe as the presence of the WingMakers. I felt as though
they were visiting me... even assisting me in my work..."
The same passage in the changed interview (Dr. Anderson
becomes Dr. Neruda in changed interviews):
Dr. Neruda: "I decided to leave the project after I was
successful in deducing the access code for the optical disc,
and felt that the ACIO was going to prevent the public from
accessing the information contained within the Ancient Arrow
site. There were other reasons, but it's too complicated to
explain in a concise response."
This below section comes from the original interview
immediately after the first paragraph above. This exchange
between Anne and Dr. Anderson was completely deleted from the
Anne: "When you say 'visiting you', what evidence did you
have that the WingMakers might be visiting you?"
Dr. Anderson: "I was spending 70 hours per week working on
the decoding formulas for the symbol pictures, and this went
on for about 8 months. During this time I tried every
conceivable combination to create an access code to the
optical disc. I was convinced it was the only way to open
it. I was also convinced that it was purposely made to be
difficult, at least to our present-day brains. It was almost
as though the struggle to decode their language was
exercising a part of my brain or nervous system that was
enabling me to communicate with them."
"I began to hear them speaking to me. It began as a word or
two... then a sentence... maybe just once a day. It didn't
make much sense... what I heard. But then one day I was
working on a chamber painting and I saw something move in
the painting. One of the symbols moved and it was absolutely
not an illusion or trick of the light. Then I realized that
the WingMakers could interact with me, that they were time
traveling to my time and that somehow their paintings were
actually portals in which they moved through time... When I
finished with the access code and it worked, I knew then
that I was indeed communicating with them."
Anne: "Did you tell anyone? I mean about the fact that you
were communicating with the WingMakers?"
Dr. Anderson: "I kept it a secret. I wasn't sure how I would
be able to explain the phenomenon and I didn't want to
arouse suspicions... They visited me a total of three times
- always in my home at night - and told me that I had been
selected to be their liaison or spokesperson. Of course I
asked them why me and not Fifteen, and they said that
Fifteen was unable to speak for them because he was already
the pawn of the Corteum."
Note that any reference to Fifteen being a pawn of the
Corteum is deleted in the changed version of the interview. Is
this just an addition, as claimed by James?
The changed interviews also delete numerous passages which talk
about Dr. Anderson's special energetic connection with the
WingMakers. In fact, the WingMakers there are described
as being part of a superior Central Race which is intent on
saving us from an evil alien race, which in the changed
interviews is called the Animus.
Yet the original WingMakers philosophy is very clear that in the
new paradigm, our task is to transcend hierarchical ways of
thinking and stop seeking saviors outside of ourselves, choosing
instead to search for the deepest wisdom within.
Also deleted from an early portion of the original version
of the first interview:
Dr. Anderson: "The other outcome of immersion in the time
capsule's contents was a sense of loyalty to the WingMakers'
philosophy and approach to life. I found myself becoming
less and less technology-centric and more and more
spiritually focused. There was a sense of entrainment caused
by their teaching that I couldn't explain. For whatever
reason, I began to loose my objectivity as a researcher, and
felt myself more of an advocate of the WingMakers."
The new version appears to downplay any spiritual aspects
and focus more on scientific and military matters.
In the changed interviews on the current website:
Dr. Neruda: "The Labyrinth Group believed that the
WingMakers are representatives of the Central Race, and that
they created our particular human genotype to become
suitable soul carriers in our particular universe. The
Ancient Arrow site is part of a broader, interconnected
system of seven sites installed on each continent. Together,
we believe this system constitutes a defensive technology."
He later adds:
Dr. Neruda: "The Central Race is divided into seven tribes,
and they are master geneticists and the progenitors of the
humanoid race. In effect, they are our future selves. Quite
literally they represent what we will evolve into in time
and towards in terms of space... The Central Race resides in
the most primeval galaxies nearest the centermost part of
the universe... The central universe is the material home of
First Source and is eternal... The Central Race is known to
some as the creator gods who developed the primal template
of the human species and then, working in conjunction with
the Life Carriers, seeded the galaxies as the universes
The WingMakers on the original website clearly imply that
the home of First Source is found deep within each one of us. No
mention is ever made on the original site of the WingMakers
being involved in military matters or being part of a Central
Race from the center of the universe.
The term Central Race was never even mentioned. In the
original interviews immediately below, Dr. Anderson expresses
his belief that the WingMakers may actually be a future version
of the ACIO's Labyrinth Group, a view which is expunged from the
Anne: "Can you elaborate on the WingMakers and who you think
they are or represent?"
Dr. Anderson: "I don't know who they are, but they represent
themselves as human time travelers from the middle part of
the 28th century. They could very well be the future version
of the Labyrinth Group, or some other powerful
The original interviews further comment:
Anne: "But if the WingMakers are so advanced
technologically, why time capsules? Why not just appear one
day and announce what ever it is they want to share? Why
this game of hide and seek and hidden time capsules?"
Dr. Anderson: "Their motives are not clear. I think they
planted these time capsules as their way to bring culture
and technology from their time to ours. And they decided to
do this by leaving behind these miraculous structures or
time capsules that, once discovered, would lead people to a
new philosophy or level of understanding. I think they're as
interested in our philosophical outlook as our discovery of
BST. Perhaps more so."
In the changed version of the above (note that Anne's name
is changed to Sarah):
Sarah: "Back to the WingMakers for a moment, if they're so
advanced technologically, why time capsules? Why not just
appear one day and announce whatever it is they want to
share? Why this game of hide and seek and hidden time
Dr. Neruda: "Their motives are not clear. I think they left
behind these time capsules as their way to bring culture and
technology from their time to ours. We also believe that
these sites represent a defensive weapon. A very
sophisticated defensive weapon."
Again the emphasis in the changed interviews is on the
WingMakers being involved in military matters, which is of prime
importance to the ACIO on both the original and changed
In the changed interviews (no equivalent in the original
Dr. Neruda: "The Animus desire to own this planet in order
to own its genetics. As I've already mentioned, this is a
synthetic race. A species that can clone itself and
fabricate more and more of its population to serve the
purpose of its colonization program. However, it desires
more than the expansion of its empire. It desires to become
a soul carrier - something reserved for pure biological
organisms. Synthetic organisms are not able to carry the
higher frequencies of soul, which absolutely require an
organic nervous system."
Sarah: "So they want a soul?"
Dr. Neruda: "They want to expand throughout the universe and
develop their organic nature through genetic reengineering.
They want to become soul carriers in order to achieve
immortality. They also want to prove what they already
believe, that they are superior to all other pure organics."
The original interviews talk about an alien race (called the
animus in the changed interviews) which is from a galaxy 2.6
million light years away. In the changed interviews, the
distance is changed to 37 million light years. In the original
interviews, the Corteum is described as coming from a planet
15,000 light years away. In the changed version, this number is
changed to 15 million.
Why would someone go to the trouble of changing these
distances if they were only "additions" to the story? Could it
be that someone doesn't want us to look on star charts and
figure out which solar systems and galaxies are involved?
Dr. Anderson: "Actually, we've tried our remote viewing
technology on the WingMakers. It was one of the first things
we tried. But we got nothing. In fact, it was the first time
when our technology was completely ineffective. We assumed
that the WingMakers had developed some form of security that
prevented remote viewing. But we weren't sure."
Dr. Neruda: "The ACIO has a department that specializes in
Remote Viewing technology, and within this department was a
woman of unparalleled capability as an RV. She was assigned
to the project as its RV, and she was a critical element in
determining the identity and purpose of the WingMakers...
She was able to make contact with the original planners of
the Ancient Arrow site. Through these two RV sessions we
were able to determine that the identity of the WingMakers
was an ancient - the most ancient - race of humankind."
Yet the original interviews clearly state that the
WingMakers are a future version of humanity. Dr. Anderson later
"The WingMakers are the Labyrinth Group... only 750 years in
You will find this and related beliefs edited out on
numerous occasions in the new version. And why change the remote
viewing from "completely ineffective" to "a critical element in
determining the identity and purpose of the Wingmakers"?
- From here down quotes are from the original and changed
versions of the second interview
Anne: "Okay, last night you mentioned that the WingMakers
had appointed you to be their liaison. You also said that
they wanted you to be their liaison because Fifteen was a
pawn of the Corteum. Can you elaborate on that?"
Dr. Anderson: "I was apparently selected to be their
spokesperson in this time, and not only help translate their
text, paintings, and symbol pictures, but also help in
bringing these things to the public's attention. In other
words, I don't think the WingMakers desired the contents of
their time capsules to be held in a secret repository deep
within the bowels of the Labyrinth Group."
The changed version appears to make the Labyrinth Group's
leader Fifteen a much more respected person, while the originals
seriously question his intentions.
Dr. Anderson: "It was a pure grade titanium-beryllium
composite, which, as you may know, is extremely rare."
Dr. Neruda: "It was a pure grade composite of unknown
Could it be that someone wanted to hide the composition of
the material mentioned at this point in the interviews? Why else
would they delete it on making changes? More detail generally
makes for a better story.
"After the initial discovery of the Ancient Arrow site, all
of the physical artifacts that could be removed from the
site were carefully packed in shipping crates and shipped to
the ACIO research lab in Virginia, and are held by the
Labyrinth Group in its own laboratory."
Yet in the changed version here and in another section, the
location of the ACIO research lab is changed from Virginia to
Southern California. If it's only a modern day myth or additions
to the story, why bother with this change? Virginia, for those
who don't know, is the hub of a lot of top-secret intelligence
Dr. Anderson: "If you take the WingMakers on face value, in
other words, what do they say it is, it's a time capsule
that will help facilitate the development of a global
culture. They claim that somehow, when all seven of the time
capsules are discovered, that they'll serve as a
communication bridge between humans of today and their
Dr. Neruda: "The Ancient Arrow site was labeled initially as
an Extraterrestrial Time Capsule, or ETC, however, it is not
actually, in my opinion, a time capsule... The site is part
of a larger structure that's interconnected through some
means I don't understand. We know there're seven sites that
have been constructed on earth - presumably in the ninth
century. We know that these sites have some defensive
purpose, and we know that the sites planners represent
themselves are culture bearers, and are most likely
representatives from the Central Race."
In the changed version, Dr. Neruda says he believes the
ancient arrow site is not a time capsule, whereas in the
original, Dr. Anderson talked very openly of this being the
The changed interviews also focus heavily on the importance
of DNA, where the original WingMakers philosophy discuss how
genetics is being used by the hierarchy to control us and keep
us from finding wisdom within ourselves.
In the changed version there is also a heavy emphasis on
souls and soul carriers, when this is hardly mentioned in the
From these changes and lots more, it is apparent that the
additions James claims to have made to the original story are
much more than just additions.
The changes in fact have a very different quality and flavor
from the originals. Almost as soon as the website began to
change in 2001, I and many others who strongly resonated with
the amazing materials on the original website suspected
intervention with an agenda.
If the intriguing story of the WingMakers on the original
website were true, we would expect the ACIO to do their best to
either remove the WingMakers website or distort the information
to lead readers back to their own agenda. I strongly suspect
that the ACIO did, in fact, put lots of resources into gradually
and subtly bringing these empowering materials back in line with
their own hierarchical agenda.
It is even conceivable that the James, who now claims to have
originated all of the WingMakers materials, is the linguist Dr.
Anderson, but has now had his memories erased and is back under
the control of the ACIO, as he clearly stated might happen.
Yet each one of us must draw our own conclusions. To see the
full comparison of changes and explore for yourself, click on
the links below.
For an overview of all changes to the WingMakers website,
For more on changes to the interviews,
click here. Thanks for your interest in this fascinating and
transformative material. I invite you to reach deep inside
yourself. You may feel the wisdom of the WingMakers reaching out
Open to your own inner guidance as you explore these fascinating
matters. Remember that on the deepest levels we are all divine.
James, members of the ACIO, and every being is simply playing
out their role in the cosmic unfolding of the universe.
Let us remember that the deepest transformation happens from the
With sacred love and very best wishes,
Former language interpreter
for Presidents Bush and Clinton
P.S. For those who are interested, I had a fascinating exchange of
emails with the alleged founders of the WingMakers website, Mark
Hempel and James.