May 4, 2002

From Perceval Website


 

Background to session

No sooner had we dealt with the copyright issue with Frank (see Apris 25, 2002 session) than Vincent Bridges changed his tactics. The retraction of his claims to our copyrighted material was signed at the end of April, and we posted his corrective notice on May 1st.

 

On that day, we received the following from Vincent's partner, Jay Weidner:

From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:15:17 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: laura@

Dear Laura:

While I truly appreciate your cooperation in helping assist me with my many difficulties with Vincent Bridges, I now think that it is time for all of this to end. I would like to do whatever I can to make the situation right for everyone.

I have been in communication with Vincent. He has finally paid me back for the France trip and he has apologized for his mistakes. We have also straightened out the copyright problem and the ownership of Aethyrea Books LLC. We have entered into a legal agreement that I find to be satisfactory to me.

As part of this agreement I have asked him to remove all references to you, Ark or the C's from the paymenow.com site and the vincentbridges.com or any other site of which he has control. Also, again as part of the agreement, I am asking you to please take down my 'open letters' from your web site. As Vincent has satisfied my requirements, the many things said in those letters is no longer true. Because I desire to put this controversy behind me I have agreed to ask for your cooperation in this.

I have enjoyed our many discussions and hope that they will continue. You are a very interesting person with many innovative ideas and I find what you have to say to be fascinating in its scope and dynamics. I very much would like to continue our relationship.

I hope that you receive this letter with the same intention as it is written.

Thanks.

Jay Weidner

Coincidence? Well, we didn't think it was a coincidence. When Frank was no longer a tool to be used by Vincent, he moved to "plan B" - or Plan Weidner, as the case may be.

 

What Jay did not know was that we had received some truly valuable legal information about the law in the state of Florida and had been advised that it would be rather simple to have Bridges arrested since he had traveled to Florida to take position of our Transcript CD, as well as to perform hypnosis on me based on his fraudulent credentials as a "psychotherapist."

 

I was actually quite anxious to get this project going because I very much wanted to get all of Vincent's "teachers" in court, and his credentials on the official court record. There was also the question of whether or not Jay Weidner was complicit in Bridges' illegal activities - or at the very least, aiding and abetting. But I left that open, thinking that it was possible that Jay was just another dupe of Bridges.

 

And so, the following exchange took place in respect of the above sudden "reversal" of Jay Weidner's position.

From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:51:16 -0400

On 1 May 2002, at 16:15, Goldenflower@....wrote:

> > I hope that you receive this letter with the same intention as it is written.

Hi, We will certainly remove your letters from the bridges pages. However, the situation has already taken a serious turn that will not be affected by this.

I am really quite curious as to when this amazing agreement took place (that is, exact date), because it may prove to be important.

You see, we spent half a day with one of the best criminal prosecutors in the state a week or so ago and it seems that VB is on the edge of the cliff of criminal prosecution for fraud and misrepresentation and theft relating to Aethyrea books. We "leaked" part of this information quite recently - for strategic reasons as instructed by the atty - and it may be that his sudden discovery of a way to make things "right" with you has something to do with that.

Because of the fact that we are engaged in legal discussions preparatory to turning state's evidence, your letters are already part of the legal file. I am in a bit of a quandary now as to what to do with your statement that you have made a deal with VB and wish to have the letters removed.

I will, of course, remove them, but you will very likely be subpoenaed and may have to provide a deposition, and the issue of any deal you have made with VB will be questioned. What I am wondering is how this may reflect on you and if VB made such a move in an effort to "hide behind" you or to drag you into it, or to attempt to avoid prosecution thinking that the process will be stopped because I wouldn't want to bring trouble to you?

All interesting questions.

Of course, I am certain that VB did not inform you of any of this prior to his making a deal.

Just a few days ago, he was actively distributing the stolen materials and writing reams of libelous and defamatory material and posting it all over the net on newsgroups, etc.

The fact is: the issue has gone too far to be dropped. Like the old story, what VB has done is like taking a pillowcase full of feathers, throwing them into the wind and then trying to collect all the feathers and put them back into the pillowcase. He can't do it. It's too late.

L

 



From: Goldenflower@….
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:21:31 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@

No, of course VB didn't tell me what he was doing to you. For that I am sorry and wish there was something I could do.

If I am subpeoned I will tell the truth. I have told VB that I will not lie about anything under any circumstances. If this has gone to far to stop at least I know that I really tried to stop it. I can only hope for the best for you and do whatever I can to straighten this out. If VB has gone too far then that is his problem.

Thank you for your cooperation. I really appreciate it.

Jay

We didn't even have time to respond to the above before Jay wrote again, obviously at the instigation of Bridges.

From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:16:37 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: laura@

Laura:

It is with great reluctance that I enter into this fray in a greater way than I have before, but I feel that the situation is getting so out of hand that I must get involved.

I would like to to mediate this situation so that it goes away. I am not sure that I can do this job, but I am the only one who is in a position to try.

It is very important that you and I go back to the real work, that we were both doing before, and leave the VB stuff behind. I'm sorry, but your real work is so much more interesting than the recent work on VB, and that is the main aspect of my quest here - to return you (and me) back to our original work and get away from VB.

Vincent is crazy. Of that I have no doubt. He wants to escalate this fight into new and undreamed of dimensions. I don't even want to tell you what he plans but it is not good at all. I am sure that he relishes the fact that you appear to be obsessed with him.

That is why I have decided to enter the fray, to stop the sensless psychic violence.

Here is what I think should happen: All mention of you, Ark and the C's will be taken off of VB.com and paymenow.com. VB also must agree to drop all legal matters against you guys or any other companies, foundations that you may represent.

VB hasn't agreed to any of this because I haven't written to him yet. I wanted to talk to you first. I am not sure I can get him to agree to the above. But I am willing to give it a try if you are.

In return you remove all mention of him (and me) from your site.

If you wish to persue legal matters against him, you can still go forward under this agreement. Frankly this situation has escalated to such a high degree that the only place that this can be figured out is in a court and that is the route that I suggest.

It wouldn't be right if I didn't give this a try. I hope you don't make a quick decision based on your anger towards Vincent. While that anger is certainly well-placed, it should not be your sole guide through this situation. Please talk it over with Ark and your friends before you decide.

This is very likely the last chance that any of us will have to turn this around and go back to the very important research that is not being done. I am sure that you can see that this is very likely the entire point of the matter - to stop us from our research!

This is not going to be an easy decision. It requires a lot of strength to stop a fight. In the end it is probably the most important decision you will make.

Let me know.

Jay
 



From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:07:20 -0400

On 2 May 2002, at 13:16, Goldenflower@....wrote:

> This is not going to be an easy decision. It requires a lot of strength to > stop a fight. In the end it is probably the most important decision you will > make.

We base our actions on facts, not merely words.

L
 



From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:21:17 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@

L:
I will tell VB to take down the offensive sites (VB.com and the other disgusting site.) I hope the idiot listens to me.

When this becomes a fact I will await your decision.

Jay
 



From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:17:07 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: laura@

Laura:

It has taken me many hours of fighting with the obnoxious one but I have finally got him to take down the stuff on paymenow and vincentbridges.com. I just checked both sites before I wrote this letter to you.

The only way I could get VB to finally cooperate was to tell him that he was doing it as a favor to me because of what I have done for him in the past. He also wrote me a letter saying that he would take down the sites for three days to see if you will take down everything that I previously mentioned off of your site. The letter also states that he will drop any and all legal matters pertaining to you and any foundations that you represent. Once you take down the stuff I will forward the letter.

I also ask you to do this as a favor to me. For that favor I promise to you that I will moniter VB to the max and if I see him doing one thing wrong I will announce publicly that he went back on his word to me and you.

In the end it is a better thing that we do.

I hope you take this as seriously as I am. That way we can make some progress in this situation and put it behind us.

Jay

We decided that it wouldn't hurt to be conciliatory to some extent. And so, we removed Vincent's name from the Adverntures Series. However, since the Foundation had assembled and published the official investigative report of the facts concerning Vincent Bridges, we did not think that it was a good precedent to remove it or change the names except to protect the innocent - unless certain conditions were met.

 

After all, the traffic to the Perseus report was not nearly as high as the traffic to the Adventures Series, and we felt that not compromising our principles, while still making some accommodation for Bridges discomfort, was reasonable.

 

If the report had not been true, it is not very likely that he would have gone to such lengths to try to coerce, blackmail, or otherwise force us to remove it. We also thought that Vincent could take certain steps himself that would satisfy the intent of the report, and if he did so, we would agree to remove it.

 

And so, another proposal was made. We wrote the following to Jay:

From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sat, 4 May 2002 16:43:51 -0400

Here is what we did in response to your "mediation".

1) To show our good faith, and our will to try a non-confrontational solution, we changed VB's name in the Adventures series to a pseudonym.

We can do the following

2) Remove the "side articles" about VB from the public display

3) Remove from the public display the Foundation report on VB _under the following condition ONLY_:

IF VB will sign and notarize and provide us with the original copy of the following statement that we can permanently post on our website, and, whenever necessary, post links to on any discussion board where he or his "pals" are found to be posting libel or defamatory remarks based on his previous lies and defamation.

THIS STATEMENT is made on this _____ day of _____, 2002 by Vincent M. Bridges of North CarolinA:

I, Vincent M. Bridges, do hereby affirm that I have made false claims about my background, my credentials, my experiences, my publishing credits, my publishing company Aethyrea Books, and my education. I apologize for this.

I affirm that when the matters of my false credentials and credits were discovered by the Perseus Foundation, that I began a campaign of libel and defamation against Arkadiusz and Laura Jadczyk and the members of the Cassiopaea discussion group, and the readers of the Cassiopaea website.

I apologize for all my libelous remarks and publications about Ark and Laura Jadczyk. I refute my former claim that Ark and Laura are attempting to turn the Cassiopaean Material into the basis for a cult.

I apologize for my statements that Ark and Laura and the members of the cassiopaea group were harassing me, stalking me, or violating my privacy.

I apologize for all my false claims, for my personal and technical untruths, including my claims of "expert status" as a "psychotherapist," my personal disparagement of Ark and Laura Jadczyk, and all negative characterizations I have made about them, their work, and the Cassiopaea discussion groups.

I apologize for inducing other people to distribute the Cassiopaean transcripts without permission. I request that any copies of these transcripts distributed through my actions be destroyed.

I regret that others have been misled by my false claims, and I strongly encourage all others who have repeated my false and hurtful claims, to stop doing so.

I refute my false claims and apologize for all of this, and I request that others now pass on, post, and report this Statement everywhere that false reports derived from anything I have said have appeared.

I am making this statement because I know it to be the truth. I request that my friends support my efforts to scrupulously honor and defend the good and respected reputations of Ark and Laura Jadczyk, their work, their sincerity and good will, and the honor and sincerity of the members of the Cassiopaea discussion groups and the readers of the Cassiopaea website and material.

By making this statement, Vincent Bridges admits no legal liability.

Signed:

VB ..... Notarized.

What we received in return was, basically, the same agreement that Frank's attorney had proposed for HIM! And so I knew who was really behind the terms of that ridiculous document that we had refused to sign.

From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:03:48 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@

Laura:

I am leaving on a vacation tomorrow morning. I know that this is unfortunate timing but I am tired and I need a break.

I want you to know - that up to this point anyway - I have done what I thought was impossible - I have gotten VB and Stormtrooper to remove the sites. They did this with a great degree of reluctance and are ready to escalate this ugly situation in a second. Doesn't it feel good to have that garbage off the web? I want to keep it that way and I know you do also.

VB will never do all of your request. However I think that I can get him to do some of it.

How about an agreement, written to you and me, that says that he apologizes for his false statements concerning his background and career, his statements concerning the integrity of Ark, Laura and the rest of the Perseus Foundation, that he agrees to never say anything in public about you guys, that he agrees to not pursue any legal matters against you also. If he breaks this agreement then you can place it up on your site. As I understand from your site you already have an agreement with "Frank" about the copyrights so lets just leave that out as it is a problem that has already been solved.

But to keep hammering away at him in public with this will just get him more crazy. You and I don't need this. Cooler heads must prevail here and - you have to admit - I have cooled the situation down on his end. Now I need you to come a little closer in distance from where you are to end this thing. I am asking you to please help me. I have proven my words with actions - just as you requested - but my time as 'mediator' (why did you put that in quotes?) is coming to an end. This is truly the last chance.

If you will agree to the above then we can get this behind us.

Please consider this carefully and thanks for your patience (Henry Kissinger I am not!)

Jay
 



From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:09:17 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@

Laura:

If VB signs that document that you wrote he can be arrested. It admits libel and slander. You must understand that no matter how insane he is, he is not that insane. While the charges may very well be true you can't expect him to sign a paper that says that.

I am going to take my laptop with me on vacation. I will see what happens on the web if I can somehow. Is it possible to call you? You told me once that your phone number was listed. I tried to find your number today and give you a call but I had no luck. I would like to solve this in a way that benefits you. I thought I had by getting VB to drop any legal matters with you, but allowing you to do what ever you wanted against him (in court) that this would be the way for you to get the satisfaction that you demand. I think most would say that this agreement is definitely to your advantage. I am still not sure how I got VB to do it - I just know that I cannot keep him and Stormtrooper quiet without you doing your part.

Someone has to be mature and step up to do the right thing. You have proved your point and now VB is stopping his mouth at least for the short while.

You say that I don't care about the other people that VB hurt. I do care about them and most especially you. That is why I am doing this. So please - do this as a favor for me. If it doesn't work out then we are back where we are at the moment. But if it does work out think about how nice it will be. Think - if only someone was brave enough to talk about peace between Israel and the Palestinians - there might actually be peace. But with all this talk of war there is only senseless psychic and physical violence. I can't do anything about that but I can do something about this. That is why I am doing it. So please help me.

We only have until Monday evening and then VB and stormtrooper are back in business.

Jay

Yes, I noted the "I'm going out of town, you need to decide" rider on the above and recognized it for the sales "rush" tactic that it was. We were not going to be rushed. And so, we decided to ask the C's about this matter:
 



May 4, 2002

Laura, Ark, BT
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Alright, the first general question is - Is Vincent Bridges really planning on suing us as he claims and as Jay Weidner has suggested if we don't 'make a deal' and remove our report about him from the site?
A: Not able.
Q: (L) Why not?
A: No money.
Q: (L) What is Jay Weidner's motivation to try to mediate?
A: He is money hungry. Not to keep; to get; thus his reputation is on the line.
Q: (L) So I guess he figures that he's got to save Vincent Bridges to save his book. That's what he's trying to do.
A: Yes.
Q: (A) If VB has no money, he could not pay Weidner, so he could possibly go to jail, right? So Jay Weidner is lying.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So he's none of the things he claims he is, he's not an initiate, he has no tradition, he's just another con-artist like Bridges?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well. So he suggested to us that we better play ball with him because if we don't, Storm Bear and Vincent Bridges are going to escalate things, and he doesn't even want to tell us how, it's so terrible. Aside from the fact that it is more or less coercion, or blackmail, in what way do they plan to escalate?
A: Get violent.
Q: (L) Physically violent?
A: It is possible.
Q: (B) Is that because they have diminished alternatives?
A: Yes.
Q: (A) I would like to recount: back at some point where we were looking for advice, advice was given that our only concern is for our copyright. Okay, so now it's over so what would be the next good and general direction for us to follow, except of course with keeping what we are doing?
A: Keep on path.
Q: (L) Should we take all mention of Vincent Bridges off our site?
A: Goodbye to Vincent Bridges.
Q: (L) What does that mean-- 'Goodbye to VB?' Does that mean take all of him off our site?
A: Just keep on path.
Q: (B) Is that implying that VB as a mode of attack will be replaced?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, keeping on our path means to not take...well, you know...(B) Yeah, to not cave into their demands. (L) Right.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) So you're just avoiding to have to give advice? (A) Well, it is not a soft problem because if they are going to get violent we have to do something because we don't like this kind of...
A: They haven't shown much talent so far. What makes you think that will change?
Q: (L) In other words they'll botch it and it'll be good-bye Vincent Bridges - off to jail. (A) What means violent, physical violence? I still can't imagine.
A: Not hard. He may try physical stalking.
Q: (A) What is stalking? (B) Being parked around the corner keeping an eye on the place. (L) Following us around. Of course if he does that then he gets arrested for just doing it. There's nothing he can do to escalate except get physical. (A) Well, physical escalation can also mean violence against our server. (L) He can try hacking. (B) Yeah but they said physical stalking, not cyber-stalking.
A: He is getting blinder by the day.
Q: (L) In other words he is going to do very stupid things and make very stupid mistakes and get himself into deep trouble. Well that is an assumption on my part.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what issues did you have B**? (B) Let's get the personal one out of the way first--Is there a pending portal of attack through the family of the school friend that my grandson plays with?
A: Keep a close watch on this situation. Bells are ringing.
Q: (B) Okay. Referring back to a session on 7-28-01, a reference was made in answer to a question where Laura said, 'Well okay, were going to move to France and do more work' and the answer was "You 5," question was 'Us and three kids?' and the answer was "8835 million hope and glory is coming close. Point the way to love and realms of light. Trust on it." One of the members did a search on the term U5 and came with the Comet C 1998 U5 Linear. Is this an avenue we should approach closer or investigate closer?
A: It is a code that will reveal itself soon.
Q: (B) Well then they were right. Now, there was a discussion about psychopaths and seemingly being born that way, and a reference was made to mercury content in vaccines and Laura said that there is a distinct possibility that inoculations mentioned may directly affect the brains of infants and turn them into psychopaths. Is that a third area that needs to be pursued in our quest of learning about psychopaths?
A: Such inoculations are designed to make the nervous system more "appropriately tuned" to 4D STS "downloads" and manipulation.
Q: (A) What inoculations? (L) Childhood vaccinations. (B) High mercury content in the 18 vaccinations that a kid gets now in infancy. Laura and I were talking earlier about thought packets and speech analysis. Is trying to analyze the speech pattern of psychopaths vs. non-psychopaths something that would prove fruitful?
A: It can be done. But there are easier ways.
Q: (L) What easier ways?
A: Observation coupled with instinct.
Q: (L) Once you know the program just plug it in. (B) Kind of what were doing? Mention was made in private correspondence about people that finance COINTELPRO operators, disinformation artists, that such finaciers generally prefer not to take a risk and insist that legal action that might force this disclosure must never take place. Is there some validity to this in the Vincent Bridges/ Jay Weidner thing?
A: Not in their case. They are truly "alien" agents with no consciousness of being controlled. Thus no human intermediary is needed. 4th density save money this way!!
Q: [Laughter from all] (L) I want to ask about this book I was reading earlier by T. Illion. He claims that he traveled to Tibet and found this underground city and interacted with these strange people. Was this an actual trip this guy made in a traditional 3rd density sense?
A: It is a disguise for conveying truths of a spiritual nature as well as a depiction of 4th Density realities.
Q: (L) Did he physically travel to Tibet?
A: No.
Q: (B) Sounds like he gained some inner awareness and used a story to convey it. (L) Did he travel anywhere?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did he travel somewhere else and get this information and then accurately portray it as being centered in Tibet?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Were his other travels in 3rd density?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Is it important where he traveled?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) Well you know what the next question is (laughter). What would be his destination? Where did he travel?
A: Siberia.
Q: (B) Does it have anything to do with the spot in Siberia or Russian mountains that has the electromagnetic labs or whatever it was that they were discussing before?
A: Close.
Q: (A) Well still the question is: in the book he said he knew the Tibetan language.
A: He did.
Q: (A) In Siberia they don't use Tibetan language. (L) He didn't have to be using the Tibetan language. (A) What language is he using in Siberia, probably Russian. (L) I don't know. I've never been there. Well they didn't say he didn't know Russian. (A) That's true. (L) Was the place that he really traveled to a place that was positive that was telling about a place that was negative?
A: Yes.
Q: (B) When you answered 'close' to my question about the electromagnetic thing did you mean close physically or close in concept?
A: Both.
Q: (B) Both are linked then, are you saying there is a link between the two?
A: Vague.
Q: (B) I was thinking why Stone [word indecipherable] Does it have anything to do with the grid?
A: Partly.
Q: (L) Why did J** hurt his back?
A: Over his ideal weight; first hit from karmic memory.
Q: (A) I want to come back to this Frank business because when we had this last session we asked about Frank and the answer was that he's not going to sign the agreement but then two days later he signs the agreement. So how should we understand this miss, so you say?
A: He would have held out had it not been for S**'s letter.
Q: (L) And what was it about S**'s letter that persuaded him?
A: He is not afraid of you because he thinks he can manipulate, but S** was an unknown factor.
Q: (L) I had the feeling, when the remark was made, that it was intended to dissuade us from anticipating, thus blocking a positive outcome.
A: It helped him to sign when you did not expect it.
Q: (A) The problem is, all of these things seem to be designed to block the completion of Noah. We are both busy dealing with all of these attack issues, and Laura has been stopped from work on Noah.
A: Let her write what "comes." Noah will be finished at the proper time. Goodnight.

End of Session

 

After the session, we checked to see if Vincent had actually done all that Jay had said he was going to do. As it turned out, he hadn't. He had only changed the index.

 

Another lie and sly trick. And so, we wrote to Jay:

From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 10:26:50 -0400

On 5 May 2002, at 9:46, Goldenflower@....wrote:

> I am about to leave town. I checked your site and nothing has changed so I > guess it is time for me to give up. >

Hi, You didn't check very well. We did as we said: VB's name has been changed to a pseudonym on the Adventures series and index page.

Also, you didn't check paymenow since all the pages are still there and only the index page is changed.

We proposed a clear and constructive solution. In fact, it will be necessary to add one more apology from Vincent:

"I apologize for false statements regarding the Zaca Lake conference, for harassment of those who signed up and paid money for this conference, and for excessive delays in refunding their monies, and for false and misleading statements about them made in public on the internet and elsewhere."

By making a deal with Vincent Bridges, you have become part of his gang.

L
 



From: Goldenflower@....
Date sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:07:44 EDT
Subject: Re: (no subject)
To: laura@

Well, as Churchill once said - 'if you don't give your opponent a way out, you only make the situation worse.' You have decided to not give your opponent a way out and so he stays cornered (not where you want to have a trapped animal).

So I give up the 'mediation'. I wish you had reached a little deeper into your heart and try to remove a little darkness in the world instead of deliberately contributing to it.

I asked you to remove my open letters and instead you leave the headline 'open letter from Jay Weidner' up and then quote the letter. This is bad enough but then you end the entire ordeal by saying that you have taken the letters down. Does that sound like someone who is playing it straight? I have played it straight with you so why not return the favor? There must be another reason.

If you want me to be part of his gang because I tried to make peace then I guess you will never make peace with him or "Frank" because then you 'are in his gang' also. So therefore, using your own logic, there can never be a resolution. What is so oddly jarring about this is that you have been given the green light to sue VB and I have a letter from him saying that he will not pursue any legal action against you? So why is this not good enough? Why don't you want to fight it out where it belongs? Why do you wish to carry on in public when that will just escalate and cannot hope but worsen the situation? You have been given the green light to sue his ass off and you choose, instead, to continue to rant in public. You do this despite the fact that you are not doing any of the work that you are supposed to be doing? It is very strange and I will need to think much over the next few days about it. There must be something else going on that I am not aware of for you to be taking such drastic measures.

So one more time I will, for the record, state the deal as it stands right now.

VB takes down his site and payme now (If that site is still up - it will be down today), you take down VB and my name from your site (That's 100% - no names on your site). In return I will give you a letter signed by VB that says he will not pursue any legal matters against you. But you are still free to pursue legal matters against him. You have until Monday evening and then everything comes back to normal.

If you decide to do this I will not know about it until Friday evening. You will have to wait until then to get the letter from VB. Have a little faith, ask the C"s talk to Ark and your friends.

I am going to listen to the crashing waves of the Pacific Ocean and dream of a world of rational people.

Jay
 




From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk <laura@ >
To: Goldenflower@....Subject: (Fwd) Re: (no subject)
Date sent: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:22:54 -0400

On 5 May 2002, at 11:07, Goldenflower@....wrote:

> VB takes down his site and payme now (If that site is still up - it > will be down today), you take down VB and my name from your site > (That's 100% - no names on your site). In return I will give you a > letter signed by VB that says he will not pursue any legal matters > against you. But you are still free to pursue legal matters against > him. You have until Monday evening and then everything comes back to > normal.

As you know VB's words and letters mean nothing. You yourself called him repeatedly a liar. Did you forget that? So what is the value of a letter from a liar? Zero. Naught. We are not insane as your proposal seems to suggest.

That is why only a prior signed and notarized statement will do. Nothing less. We learned from past experiences.

Moreover, there can be no agreement that we would have to keep secret. Secrecy is the tool of darkness. Any agreement must be in the open - as with "Frank." No secrecy clause whatsoever.

ark and laura

And then, of course, Vincent shot himself in the foot the same way Frank's attorney blew the deal for him. He posted to a public discussion board the following:

Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:58:09 -0400
From: Vincent Bridges <vincent@fifthwaymysteryschool.org>
Subject: Cassiopaean announcements

Greetings M-group,

I apologize before hand for bringing up the odious and continuing sore spot of the Cassiopaeans, but I have two simple announcements and I thought they would be of interest to the list.

A class action law suit for defamation, harassment and invasion of privacy is underway against Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Ark Jadczyk, Andrew C. Rowland and the Board of Directors of the Perseus Foundation. If you feel that you have been harassed, defamed, libeled or have had your privacy invaded by the actions of the above named individuals, please send me a private email at abooks@ac.net and let me know if you would like to be a part of this legal action.

Also, a similar class action suit is underway for plagiarism and copyright infringement. If anyone on this list knows, or knows how to contact, any of the authors plagiarized or extensively excerpted without permission in any of the voluminous material generated and published by Laura Knight Jadczyk or the Perseus Foundation, please ask them to contact me at the above email address.

All replies will be kept strictly confidential.

Thank you,

Vincent Bridges
 


--- In matrioshka@y..., Vincent Bridges <vincent@f...> wrote:

As most of you know, all of us on this side of the Cassiopaean debacle have been trying to end the conflict and quit feeding the demon. Well, that hasn't exactly worked.

I offered to take everything down about L&A and the Cassiopaeans, and for the last few days it has been down. I also offered to drop any pending or future legal action against them, if they would just take their attack pages about off the web. That simply emboldened them to greater efforts, attacking even more innocent people who just want to get away from their slime and get on with their lives, and who never did anything to L&A but leave the cult and tell the truth about their experiences. To L&A of course this is treason of the highest order and must be avenged any way possible. Be warned, all of you still in thrall to Laura's spell, it could be your boss that receives the next email.

In return they proposed that I sign an agreement that they could post prominently on their website as a trophy of their victory over "Dr. Evil," my new nome de plume in C-World. Since we are all aware that Laura has never had an original thought in her life, it should come as no surprise that her statement for me was copied directly from the Dan Winter statement. Plagiarism is so much a part of her life that she can not apparently do without it.

So, rather than re-start the war, I thought we'd have a contest. Count the lies they wanted me to swear to in the following statement, and the person who comes closest to the correct total will win a brand new Disinformation Agent T-Shirt from paymenow.net.

OK, pencils ready? Here we go:

From Laura Knight Jadczyk and Ark Jadczyk:

1) To show our good faith, and our will to try a non-confontational solution, we changed VB's name in the Adventures series to a pseudonym.

We can do the following

2) Remove the "side articles" about VB from the public display

3) Remove from the public display the Foundation report on VB _under the following condition ONLY_:

IF VB will sign and notarize and provide us with the original copy of the following statement that we can permanently post on our website, and, whenever necessary, post links to on any discussion board where he or his "pals" are found to be posting libel or defamatory remarks based on his previous lies and defamation.

THIS STATEMENT is made on this _____ day of _____, 2002 by Vincent M. Bridges of North Carolina:

I, Vincent M. Bridges, do hereby affirm that I have made false claims about my background, my credentials, my experiences, my publishing credits, my publishing company Aethyrea Books, and my education. I apologize for this.

I affirm that when the matters of my false credentials and credits were discovered by the Perseus Foundation, that I began a campaign of libel and defamation against Arkadiusz and Laura Jadczyk and the members of the Cassiopaea discussion group, and the readers of the Cassiopaea website.

I apologize for all my libelous remarks and publications about Ark and Laura Jadczyk. I refute my former claim that Ark and Laura are attempting to turn the Cassiopaean Material into the basis for a cult.

I apologize for my statements that Ark and Laura and the members of the cassiopaea group were harassing me, stalking me, or violating my privacy.

I apologize for all my false claims, for my personal and technical untruths, including my claims of "expert status" as a "psychotherapist," my personal disparagement of Ark and Laura Jadczyk, and all negative characterizations I have made about them, their work, and the Cassiopaea discussion groups.

I apologize for inducing other people to distribute the Cassiopaean transcripts without permission. I request that any copies of these transcripts distributed through my actions be destroyed.

I regret that others have been misled by my false claims, and I strongly encourage all others who have repeated my false and hurtful claims, to stop doing so.

I refute my false claims and apologize for all of this, and I request that others now pass on, post, and report this Statement everywhere that false reports derived from anything I have said have appeared.

I am making this statement because I know it to be the truth. I request that my friends support my efforts to scrupulously honor and defend the good and respected reputations of Ark and Laura Jadczyk, their work, their sincerity and good will, and the honor and sincerity of the members of the Cassiopaea discussion groups and the readers of the Cassiopaea website and material.

By making this statement, Vincent Bridges admits no legal liability.

Signed:

VB ..... Notarized.

Naturally, it will be a very cold day in hell when I put my name to something like this.

My final comments outside of court: Bugger off you losers... You and the demon deserve each other.

Vincent

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June 22, 2002

 

Background to the Session

At this point in time, we had become aware of the fact that the concerted efforts of Vincent Bridges, Jay Weidner, Storm Bear Williams, Teresa Burns, and others, had certainly created a negative image about the Cassiopaean experiment in certain small circles of the internet community. Thanks to Jay Weidner, we had a name for this type of activity: COINTELPRO, and our researches on this subject were only just beginning. What was apparent, from the very start, was that the chief "label" that COINTELPRO agents used to vilify and marginalize any group they wished to disrupt or destroy was "cult." (To see how Vincent Bridges develops this idea, in his own words, see: Vincent Bridges Responds)

The line between CULT and religion is a very hotly debated topic, so getting a hard and fast definition to fit is difficult at best. According to the dictionary, a "cult" is: "a system of religious worship or ritual; devoted attachment to, or extravagant admiration for, a person, principle, etc - especially when regarded as a fad; a group of followers; sect." The root of the word "cult" is "kwel," which means "to turn, dwll, care for," and is related to the words "culture" and "cultivate."

By modern definitions, a cult is different from a religion. A religion, according to the dictionary, is: a system of religious belief,; a belief in a divine or superhuman poer or powers to be obeyed and worshipped; expression of such a belief in conduct and ritual; any specific system of belief, worship, conduct and ritual, often including a code of ethic and a philosophy," etc. The root of the word "religion" is "ligare," which means to "tie up" or "to bind."

It occurred to me that, by the above definitions, I would certainly rather be a "cult" than a "religion" though the fact is, neither of the above definitions even remotely apply to the material from the Cassiopaeans, or the work we do in the Quantum Future School.

But the term "cult" has been gradually deprived of its true meaning, and has come to mean something else altogether in our modern times. In our day, a "cult" is a group that employs manipulative techniques of influence on the minds of followers that are deceptive. What is humorous about the matter is that, based on our research into the history and development of the three major monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam, they are more properly "cults" than anything around in the present day in the sense that nearly their entire structure is based on manipulative techniques of influence on the minds of the followers that are deceptive." After all, what do you call it when people get "saved" because they are afraid of hell-fire and damnation? Especially if the evidence demonstrates that such "hell-fire and damnation" are not likely to exist?

As part of their anti-Cassiopaea publicity campaign, Storm Bear Williams made the rounds of a number of public discussion boards posting messages along the line of the following:

From: Storm Bear (storm@NODAMNSPAMredgrail.org
Subject: Kook Kult Bible
Newsgroups: alt.slack View
Date: 2002-01-24 09:46:27 PST

Hi all.

This was discussed a month or so ago on here and I thought an update was in order. The Cassiopaean Cult of New Port Richie, Florida is a doomsday cult that bases all their decisions on Ouiji Board conversations with aliens from Constellation Cassiopeia.

Interestingly enough, the cult is run by an ex-eastern bloc Cold War nuke scientist.

Worrisome, huh?

Anyway, the original Ouiji board transcripts have surfaced and is Available at... [deleted]
A breakdown of the cult is available at... [deleted]
The parody site is at... [deleted]
And the cult website is at... http://www.

Y'all Rock On!

Stormy

 

This sort of activity was obviously a "gang affair" because it continued for some months on various newsgroups and public message boards, including the following from an "unknown" poster who goes by the handle "mantismind."

 

From: mantismind (nospam@thankyou.com) (click the link to read the original post on newsgroups)
Subject: Jadczyk Cass Cult Based on Another "Golden Plate and Angel Maroni?" You be the Judge. Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet
Date: 2002-04-27 02:00:33 PST

Over the last two weeks, I myself have been accused of being Vincent Bridges or one of the other victims maliciously portrayed on the Perseus Foundation (Persecution) adjunct site to the site run by Ark and Laura Jadczyk which is alleged to be a cult. I am none of the unfortunate victims to have fallen prey to said Perseus Foundation, and if you are smart, you will have nothing to do with them. I am a tiny voice of dissent, as I have stated before. A mere nobody in nowhereland, posting on uselessnet providing unbiased views of cult news as it develops.

I have the following interesting interview with Mr. Vincent Bridges to report. The question is: Did the victims cave under the pressure of threats to bodily harm to themselves, family members and friends from the Cassiopaenistas of Psychossiopea, or is the following message true? You be the judge:

Mr. Bridges, the victim of ten months of ruthless attacks from the Cassiopaeanistas alleges that Laura Jadczyk pushed the ouija planchette around the board to gain sensational answers more likely to stimulate a cult following. Is it true? You be the judge. Report follows:

Cassiopaean Channeling Faked?

In a surprise move, "Frank Scott", who participated with Laura Knight-Jadczyk from 1994 to 2000 in the production of the Cassiopaean material, has taken down his unedited version of the disputed transcripts after Ms. Knight-Jadcyzk admitted in several statements made to Mr. Scott and various lawyers that she was the "sole author and inspiration" of the Cassiopaean material.

 

Given the nature of the channeled contact, that of a ouija board (with always two or more hands on the planchette) this assertion by Ms. Knight-Jadcyzk can only be taken to mean that she consciously FAKED the answers to the questions!

"For Laura to actually claim that she was the sole author of the words being generated by the planchette leaves us with no other explanation," commented Vincent Bridges, owner of the Anti-Cassiopaean Cult Awareness website where the unedited transcripts could be found. "This calls into questions the entire corpus of Cassiopaean material. Since neither "Frank" nor I have any wish to perpetrate such a fraud on the public as Laura has now admitted to committing, the raw unedited transcripts, showing clearly the pattern of deception used by Laura in generating her specious "channelling" sessions, will be pulled from the web."

The reclusive "Frank Scott" could not be reached for comment.

The website of co-author "Frank Scott" will be removed from the web. If you go quickly to [deleted] and to [deleted], you may download the unedited transcripts for a short time, therefore having material to compare to the Jadczyk's edited transcripts.

The satirical sites based on the Cass.org cult site are: [deleted] and [deleted.]

Vincent Bridges anti-cult awareness site is: [deleted]

If you are really curious and would like to compare the original transcripts to the edited Jadczyk transcripts, post a request to the Yahoo group: Matrioshka. One of the members will be happy to forward the zip file of the undedited transcripts to you personally. The unedited transcripts are also likely to be posted in alt.binaries.e-book periodically in the months to come........strictly for personal, educational and critical use as provided for under federal statute.

Mantismind
Reporting LIVE from
Mantidpropagation

The "reclusive 'Frank Scott'" is no longer so reclusive, being a member of, and recently regular poster to the above mentioned discussion group. Nevertheless, what we see above is the most bizarre "spin" being put on the actual events of the legal activity that took place as recounted in session 020425, and those immediately before and after.

The reader needs to keep in mind that ALL of this activity of Vincent Bridges - as recounted in various places on the website - was quite simply the result of the fact that we uncovered his lies and deceptions, his manipulations and fraud, terminated our association with him both personally and professionally, and ejected him from our discussion group. That was it. Nothing more, nothing less. That is to say, he was ejected because he was discovered to be using manipulative influencing techniques and deception - the hallmark of the modern definition of a "cult." And immediately after he was ejected from the group, Vincent Bridges began to use varying methods of psychological terrorism against us, including threats of lawsuits, libel and defamation, and even implications of direct harm.

As it happens, the term "cult" does not apply at Cassiopaea. What we are conducting is an Internet School, and we have the right to maintain order in the classroom. We have a right to eject those who are not there to learn, and those who are bullies and cheaters. As noted above, we believe in enabling people to think and decide freely and this necessitates a broad informational base as a prerequisite for exercising what freedom of mind may be humanly attainable. We further believe in researching, as a group activity, and sharing such information and analysis to those who ask.

 

Anyone who enters this environment and is discovered to be using scare tactics, information that does not check out factually, who lies and misrepresents themselves, or is caught violating the privacy of the group, is EJECTED. That's it.

 

Such an action has nothing to do with any or all of the members following anybody or any belief system. It has strictly to do with interacting with people who are TRUSTWORTHY by DEMONSTRATION, so that when any member reveals personal information within the group, we can be confident that it will not be used against them in some kind of psychological or spiritual terrorism as occurs frequently in "cults."

Rather than having a "religious confessor/leader who is the only one privy to all secrets, we have created a different idea for our group discussions. Yes, indeed, there are those who are the "hosts, guardians of the privacy and decorum," but all the interaction within the group is on an equal footing between members. And the main thing we wish to protect against is individuals who are deceitful, who have a hidden agendas, or who use manipulative tactics.

Because the group is closed for a reason, an because he was ejected from this group - when he had an obvious agenda to take it over as his own "cult following" - because he proved untrustworthy in terms of deception and agenda, Vincent Bridges undertook to destroy us and our life work. And his activities were aided and abetted by numerous other individuals as mentioned above. It was clearly a COINTELPRO operation, whether human instigated or managed from other levels, is moot.

We knew we had a problem because the history of such operations does not bode well for the objects of vilification and marginalization. It is all fine and good to say: "Oh, sticks and stones ..." etc, but the FACTS are that such operations work. If you don't think so, just read our Timeline which includes many references to Mind Control experiments and operations. The whole planet is in the state it is in due to such activities as those undertaken by Vincent Bridges and Co. And it has been going on for a very long time.

So, the question uppermost in our minds at the point in time of this session was: how to counteract such negative activities while still staying on the STO path?

There was the additional concern that the time we needed to devote to this activity was pretty much 24/7 and we needed to discover an STO way to approach the financial issue. Just putting a "help Cassiopaea" paypal donation button on the site was having almost NO results. We were discovering that there was certainly a double standard in operation and, while many, many "new age" organizations standard churches were free to coerce donations or payment via fear or fraudulently promised "benefits" - our own dedication was supposed to be evidenced by being "free" of any financial considerations at all. We were against the wall and knew it.

And finally, there was the issue of just simply making the material available to as many people as possible around the planet without violating the free will of those who choose other paths, other perspectives.
 

 


June 22, 2002

Ark, Laura, BT

Q: Hello.
A: Hello!
 

Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Nomihha.
 

Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea. [Making many spiraling moves.] Needs grooving.
 

Q: (A) I guess we ought to have sessions more often.
A: Practice makes perfect. [More spiraling movements between each letter.]
 

Q: (L) We have been discussing whether or not we ought to engage in any kind of promotional activity to make people more aware of the material, of the network, of the principles we are putting together as a result of the transcripts as well as research and the activity of the group and its moving through the many areas of research. We are in something of a quandary as to whether or not promotion can be considered an STO activity. (A) There is another problem, in fact. We were hesitating about promoting because we knew that as long as we are working on a small scale, we will not attract attention and attack. As long as we function on a small scale, it can be allowed or accommodated in the Matrix. When we go to a larger scale, the Matrix can bring in new forces because anything on a larger scale can be considered by the Matrix as dangerous. So, enlarging the scale, attracting more interested people, at the same time we should be prepared for more attacks. So that was one of the reasons for our keeping a low profile. (L) Well, let's take it step by step. First of all, can promotion be considered an STO activity? Is it an STO approach to what we are doing or trying to do?
[All of the following was delivered very fast and very vigorously.]
A: Absolutely. It is giving the lie what is asked for: Truth.
 

Q: So, promotional activity can be considered a service to a larger community. Obviously, promotional activity has to support itself and promotional activity, enlarging the scope of what we are doing, necessitates a much greater commitment of time and energy and skill not only our part, but the skill, time and effort of other people, which means that it must support that also. Nevertheless, the perception seems to be that anything that involves promotion or involvement of any kind of monetary exchange is an STS thing.
A: It should be noted that the STS system can only be penetrated by becoming "wise as serpents and gentle as doves." There is nothing negative about networking. Details of a network include the necessity for those who are involved to invest "energy" in the exchange.

If the individual comes upon the life work of another and expects to benefit and gain by that work, they will naturally wish to have their own position balanced by putting forth a commensurate amount of energy. Otherwise there will be an imbalance of energy. This then leads to an STS pyramid. An example of this principle in reverse is a teacher who demands payment for no real work on their own part.

The fact that both of you have devoted yourselves to this work for not just a short time, but literally your entire lives, and have not asked for the support that this intensive labor earns has, in effect, created an imbalance for those who are benefiting. Many of those who are experiencing blocks in their own lives would find those blockages dissolved by the action of opening the flow of energy in the exchange. In your world, money equals energy!!!


Q: (BT) We need to address the concerns about attack. (L) Yes. The question is: if we approach the matter in a more active way - since we don't want to proselytize, we only want to make people aware, they can look, accept, discard, or do whatever they want; I think the awareness factor is what we are targeting; there are six billion people on this planet and most of them are asleep and don't even know it; so awareness of the existence of a different option for viewing reality is the issue - how much will this increase the level of attack?
A: Knowledge protects. You have been in "attack school" for a long time, most recently having taken a grad level course. The principles learned thusly will stand you in good stead. From the fire comes light!
 

Q: (A) We were several times told that "help is on the way." What kind of help?
A: When you begin to expand the potential network you will rattle a lot of bushes.
 

Q: (L) The thing that concerns me is that I am nervous about such ideas. Generally speaking, such approaches generally lead to an organization, which then leads to codification, which then leads to all kinds of problems. You can't keep it personal and simple. Bigger networks, means more people, means more opportunities for twisting and distortion and problems. There is just so much potential for people becoming involved who do not have the same intent we have, who don't have the intent the group has, and just a whole host of things that come to mind here. When you start getting big, you can't give enough attention to everything. For now, we take care of everything ourselves. We protect the group so that they can gather their awareness; they are making extraordinary progress; and how can you do that on a larger scale?

A: At some point there will be those among your group who will step forward and accept the mantle of teacher. Your role as teachers of teachers is one that may produce the balancing energy needed for the STO harvest to be plentiful indeed. Perhaps you should relax and not be afraid of the child you have borne taking its first step out in the world? There are many teachers in your group. Each of them will awaken to their mission destiny profile as appropriate.

Q: (A) I would like a bit of advice about our upcoming meeting. Should we have a fixed schedule, or try to keep everything spontaneous?
A: How about somewhere in between? The main focus should be on networking according to STO principles.

Q: (L) We have been talking about promotion in terms of things like tee shirts, coffee mugs, mouse pads, bookmarks, etc - just in terms of promotion, not so much for the purpose of making money - just to raise awareness of the website. There have been a number of reactions to such an idea, including seeing it as a "commercialization." I hadn't thought about it that way so much as I was thinking about just making the word "Cassiopaea" a sort of household term that would make people curious enough to check it out. Then, of course, the law of percentages would suggest that the more people check it out, the more of those people who resonate would be "found," I guess. So, the objective is not to sell the material, but to promote the material. As the idea developed, the possibility of such sales supporting the material came to the fore and my thought was that if there was something that could be sold to support the material in its Free state, then I'm all for it. What do you have to say about these admittedly tacky ideas about tee shirts, bookmarks, mouse pads, and all of that sort of thing?

A: Notice carefully how the STS domination has been created and maintained. It is not done with the objective of promoting knowledge. As you know, it is done with the intent of hiding truth. What is wrong with pointing the door to greater potential knowledge out for those in Darkness? You can shine the light on the door. The choice of opening it and passing within is up to the seeker.

Q: (BT) I think that the point is intent. What difference does it make if you use tee shirts, book marks, refrigerator magnets or whatever? Those are all techniques of the reality we live in for drawing the attention of people to whatever product is being offered. The fact is: they work. They familiarize people with words, concepts and phrases. That can certainly be seen as "shining the light on the door." (L) We have recently been working with some material from Boris Mouravieff. We can see many relationships. I would like to ask about some of his political views, his ideas about creating some elite corps to help the world graduate to what he calls the cycle of the Holy Spirit. How accurate are those views of Mouravieff?

A: Mouravieff, like many who have protected and passed on the "tradition" are merely carriers and not interpreters of the capacity of a Master. The True Master understands the nature of the "worlds" in terms of real, Hyperdimensional Interpenetration. Thus Mouravieff and others misunderstand and misinterpret, thinking in 3rd density Hierarchical terms which simply do not apply.

Q: (L) Okay, we are going to have to stop because Ark didn't eat anything all day and he is getting a headache.
A: He is re-grooving. Pushing past cycle blocks. But best to terminate now. Expect bursting through in awareness soon! Good night.

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July 13, 2002

Ark, Laura, BT, VG

[Part of this session was lost to recorder malfunction and a few of the questions are reconstructed, though the actual answers from C's are verbatim from the stenographic notes.]


Q: Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Giffaea.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (V) What is the main difference in the transmissions since "Frank" left the group and Ark finally agreed to participate directly in the process?
A: Remember that a conduit is composed of knowledge. Now think about the difference between "Frank" and Arkady. Prepare for the greatest learning burst ever!
Q: In the last session, just at the end, we brought up the work of Boris Mouravieff. As I continue to read through this material, I can see many relationships between that work and so many of the clues and hints scattered throughout the C's transmissions. What seems to be most important is his information about the Centers - three lower and three higher that are not "seated" in the body - and the formation of the magnetic center. Then, he talks about the difference between "A" influences and "B" influences, and the necessity for assimilation of "B" influences in order to fuse the "magnetic center" which then enables the soul - or higher centers - to "seat" in the body. Based on his descriptions, it seems that this is exactly the process that you have been guiding us through, even including all of the recent experiences with Vincent Bridges and Frank and others. As you had said once previously: "From the fire comes light." And we have certainly been challenged to utilize what we are learning in dealing with all of these issues and it has had a profound effect on us mentally, physically, and most especially, psychically and spiritually. We can see that this has been a large part of the "fusing of the magnetic center," as Mouravieff has termed it. Is the information from Mouravieff about these matters fairly accurate?
A: Not just fairly. It has been preserved from the time of the "Fall."
Q: Mouravieff states clearly that this teaching is a "thin thread" of an oral tradition, and that the monks themselves - in various locations - admit that it has not only not been put into writing, but has not ever even been "gathered together" in a single place. This is, of course, problematical, but it seems that Mouravieff has made a sincere effort to present the material of the Tradition itself, even if he has spent an inordinate amount of time trying to weave through it some of the occult traditions of Europe that have been so very popular for so long, particularly the synarchic views of Guenon and so forth. In seems that, in this respect, Mouravieff has interpreted many things in an "A influence" sort of way. And then, there is Mouravieff's presentation of the "worlds." It seems to be very similar to the teaching about "densities," though without the balance of STS and STO.
A: If it is understood in the original context of hyperdimensional realities. Also, there are some distortions and gloss on the subject of the "worlds" and "notes." But even this is only minor.
Q: Mouravieff says that there are two kinds of humans - he calls the "pre-Adamic" and "Adamic," [discussed in book III]. The idea is that pre-Adamic human types basically have no "soul" nor any possibility of growing one. This is a pretty shocking idea, but there have been recent scholarly discussions of this matter based on what seems to be clinical evidence that, indeed, there are human beings who are just "mechanical" and have no "inner" or "higher self" at all. [See: "Division of Consciousness"] Gurdjieff talked about this and so did Castaneda. Are these ideas Mouravieff presents about the two basic TYPES of humans, as far as they go, accurate?
A: Indeed, though again, there is a "Biblical Gloss."
Q: Mouravieff says that the "pre-Adamic" humans do not have the higher centers, nor the possibility of developing them in this cycle - which we assume to be the Grand Cycle you have previously described, the length of which is around 300,000 years. Is this an accurate representation of "pre-Adamic" beings?
A: Yes, they are "organic" portals between levels of density.
Q: Based on what Mouravieff has said, it seems to be so that any efforts to try to raise the consciousness of such individuals is doomed to fail.
A: Pretty much. Most of them are very efficient machines. The ones that you have identified as psychopaths are "failures." The best ones cannot be discerned except by long and careful observation.
Q: (V) Have I, or anyone in this room, ever encountered any, and if so, can you give us an example for reference?
A: If you consider that the population is equally distributed, then you will understand that in an ordinary "souled" person's life, that person will encounter half as many organic portals as souled individuals. BUT, when someone is in the process of "growing" and strengthening the soul, the Control System will seek to insert even more "units" into that person's life. Now, think of all the people you have ever met and particularly those with whom you have been, or are, intimate. Which half of this number would YOU designate as being organic portals? Hard to tell, eh?
Q: (BT) Is this the original meaning of the "pollution of the bloodline" that the Bible talks about?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) This certainly gives a whole new meaning to all the experiences we have had with people like "Frank" and Vincent Bridges and Terri Burns, Olga and the rest of the gang! What this means is that the work of discerning these organic portals from souled human beings is CRUCIAL to the so-called ascension process. Without the basic understanding of transformation of, and conservation of energies, there is no possibility of fusing a magnetic center. No wonder the Bridges gang and the COINTELPRO types went bananas while I was publishing the Adventures Series! And sheesh! They will go bonkers with this organic portal stuff! (V) In thinking back over my life, it seems to me that my father is certainly one of these organic portals.
A: Now, do not start labeling without due consideration. Remember that very often the individual who displays contradictory behavior may be a souled being in struggle.
Q: (L) I would say that the chief thing they are saying is that the really good ones - you could never tell except by long observation. The one key we discovered from studying psychopaths was that their actions do not match their words. But what if that is a symptom of just being weak and having no will? (A) How can I know if I have a soul?
A: Do you ever hurt for another?
Q: (V) I think they are talking about empathy. These soulless humans simply don't care what happens to another person. If another person is in pain or misery, they don't know how to care.
A: The only pain they experience is "withdrawal" of "food" or comfort, or what they want. They are also masters of twisting perception of others so as to seem to be empathetic. But, in general, such actions are simply to retain control.
Q: (A) What does having a soul or not having a soul have to do with bloodline?
A: Genetics marry with soul if present.
Q: Do "organic portals" go to fifth density when they die?
A: Only temporarily until the "second death."
Q: (V) What is the "origin" of these organic portal human types? In the scheme of creation, where did they come from?
A: They were originally part of the bridge between 2nd density and 3rd density. Review transcripts on the subject of short wave cycles and long wave cycles.
Q: (A) Now, I was reading in the transcripts that sleep is necessary for human beings because it was a period of rest and recharging. You also said that the SOUL rests while the body is sleeping. So, the question is: what source of energy is tapped to recharge both the body and the soul?
A: The question needs to be separated. What happens to a souled individual is different from an organic portal unit.
Q: (L) I guess that means that the life force energy that is embodied in Organic Portals is something like the soul pool that is theorized to exist for flora and fauna. This would, of course, explain the striking and inexplicable similarity of psychopaths, that is so well defined that they only differ from one another in the way that different species of trees are different in the overall class of Tree-ness. So, if they don't have souls, where does the energy come from that recharges Organic Portals?
A: The pool you have described.
Q: Does the recharging of the souled being come from a similar pool, only maybe the "human" pool?
A: No - it recharges from the so-called sexual center which is a higher center of creative energy. During sleep, the emotional center, not being blocked by the lower intellectual cener and the moving center, transduces the energy from the sexual center. It is also the time during which the higher emotional and intellectual centers can rest from the "drain" of the lower centers' interaction with those pesky organic portals so much loved by the lower centers. This respite alone is sufficient to make a difference. But, more than that, the energy of the sexual center is also more available to the other higher centers.
Q: (L) Well, the next logical question was: where does the so-called "sexual center" get ITS energy?
A: The sexual center is in direct contact with 7th density in its "feminine" creative thought of "Thou, I Love." The "outbreath" of "God" in the relief of constriction. Pulsation. Unstable Gravity Waves.
Q: Do the "centers" as described by Mouravieff relate at all to the idea of "chakras?"
A: Quite closely. In an individual of the organic variety, the so-called higher chakras are "produced in effect" by stealing that energy from souled beings. This is what gives them the ability to emulate souled beings. The souled being is, in effect, perceiving a mirror of their own soul when they ascribe "soul qualities" to such beings.
Q: Is this a correspondence that starts at the basal chakra which relates to the sexual center as described by Mouravieff?
A: No. The "sexual center" corresponds to the solar plexus.


Lower moving center - basal chakra
Lower emotional - sexual chakra
Lower intellectual - throat chakra
Higher emotional - heart chakra
Higher intellectual - crown chakra

Q: (L) What about the so-called seventh, or "third eye" chakra?
A: Seer. The union of the heart and intellectual higher centers.


[Laura's note: This would "close the circuit" in the "shepherd's crook" configuration.]

Q: (V) What about the many ideas about 12 chakras, and so forth, that are currently being taught by many new age sources? [Barbara Marciniak, for one.]
A: There are no such. This is a corrupted conceptualization based on the false belief that the activation of the physical endocrine system is the same as the creation and fusion of the magnetic center. The higher centers are only "seated" by being "magnetized." And this more or less "External" condition [location of the higher centers] has been perceived by some individuals and later joined to the perceived "seating" locations, in potential. This has led to "cross conceptualization" based on assumption!
Q: Are the levels of initiation and levels of the staircase as presented by Mouravieff fairly accurate?
A: Yes, but different levels accessed in other so-called lives can relieve the intensity of some levels in "another" life.
Q: (L) So work on the self in different incarnations - assuming one is not an organic portal - can be cumulative? You can pick up where you left off if you screw up?
A: Yes. To some extent. For now, then, good night.

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July 31, 2002

Ark, Laura, JQ, SM, HS, IT, MW,

Q: (L) Hello
A: Hello
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Poronia
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
A: Hello men of Cassiopaea.
Q: (I) Why men?
A: Hello I** of Cassiopaea!!!
Q: [Laughter] (I) Long time.
A: No Cs!
Q: [Laughter]
A: Get it?! Hello M** of ?
Q: (M) Wow! That's a good question for me too, I guess. Wow, that's one I don't know. Well I've never been to Cassiopaea. Hello. (L) Okay, I want to ask a question. I would like to know about Credo Mutwa?
A: He has a valid connection, however there is a lot of static around him.
Q: (S) What does a valid connection mean?
A: His source.
Q: (I) Several of us have recently discussed the idea that the Zulu people are - as their name means in the Zulu language - Light Warriors. Does this idea have any foundation in fact?
A: In a sense, but not precisely in the way thought. Groups of people represent energy portals in cosmic rather than global terms. Light warriors are "connectors" on a cosmic level.
Q: (L) Connectors between what and what?
A: Transducers of energy of transition rather like capacitors!
Q: (L) What's a capacitor? (M) It's an electrical way of collecting and dumping a flowing charge; a way of accumulating charge and releasing it later in a sudden burst of energy. You can send enormously strong pulses from capacitors by putting in small amounts of energy over a long period of time. They used to be called accumulators. (J) What transition?
A: Transition of your sector of space/time.
Q: (I) So Light Warriors - are they accumulating energies and is it at a particular point that we may need help to transition that they...(S) Provide the energy necessary, is that what you mean?
A: Partly. It will depend on how much awareness you manage to generate to direct the energy.
Q: (I) Zulus, Light Warriors. Is this a genetic function?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) Well. You know they throw you something you don't expect and what do you do? You have all your little preconceived notions and you have it all figured out and you think you're going to get a little confirmation and then they toss you something that says uh-uh. (S) Well this is a whole new concept...well not really. (I) The Zulus and other Black peoples are more in tune with the Earth... And the C's say it is up to us as to how much awareness we can generate to vector this energy from the Earth... So if we don't generate this awareness they're going to transduce a different kind of energy?
A: They can be "food for the moon" or food for the soul.
Q: (I) Well, God they've been food for the Moon for a long time. (L) So has everybody else. (S) It's the same for all of us though, so is there anything special about them or different than anybody else?
A: Absolutely.
Q: (J) So their genetics...it's a function of genetics... (A) I would ask if there is any other say nation or tribe of similar make-up? (S) Yeah, maybe there's a tribe in every section of the world, or something.
A: There is a "spectrum" as Mouravieff suggests, however the Zulu compose a sort of "drone" tone.
Q: (S) So is this something they do deliberately or is it something unconscious?
A: It is a function of the 4th density energies they "represent."
Q: (A) Okay, so it is a drone tone. That is the main tone which is foundational to the harmonics. You build the music on this infrastructure, so to say. (L) There's the drone, there's the bass, there's the melody. (J) They said a spectrum as in Mouravieff, the spectrum of the genetics able to carry light or to act as a light for transition. I'm not really sure on how that...(L) I think they're talking about a soul tone. (I) Is the unique singing that the Zulus do symbolic of that drone tone?
A: Indeed, as is all of reality symbolic of things at other levels and "depths" of being. For the Zulus, the "ancestors" are also the "future selves." Those are specific terms that carry meaning unfamiliar to your cultural context.
Q: (I) Well ancestors are a big part of their culture. (S) Right, so the C's material is a...bridge between cultures I guess. (A) The issue of "agents" has been a subject of recent discussion, especially after all the odd things that occurred during our conference in the past week. What are the clues that we could look to in order to discern "agents?"
[Planchette spirals momentarily]
A: Since you asked...[group laughter] let your imagination be your guide.
Q: (S) Talk about an open ended answer. They've expanded on 'open', so... (L) Is there any kind of activity that involves precognition or time travel awareness?
A: See previous answer.
Q: (I) Our imagination. (L) Why is it that the ones who turn out to do the most damage - as we discussed - never produce any definitive "sensation" one way or another about anything. Why do they always seem to be so "neutral?"
A: By design.
Q: (S) By design is like by design of somebody organizing something but it's by design because these are created, designed individuals?
A: End subject.
Q (A) So we don't want to know more than we know, right? (I) Our imagination is enough. (S) Let your imagination run wild. (L) Alright, next?... (M) Well, they said: 'M** of ?' Is it that I'm in a position of choice or is it that my reviewing of the sessions is too grumpy, too slow, too dim, or... is it a choice matter or...
A: He who sits on fence gets splinters.
Q: (M) That is so true.
A: And they can be particularly nasty when one jumps off in haste upon realizing that fence sitters are prime targets for snipers.
Q: (I) S** C** and your experiences with him during the conference. The C's zeroed in on you for some reason. (S) Right. (M) Here the conference is astonishing, but I'm alerted that the answers are appropriate for other people too. (everyone speaking at once) well of course it's a position of choice, and there are others who are vulnerable too.
A: Many haven't even approached the fence to obtain a clearer view.
Q: (M) Alright, well, I get a clearer view, but then it's risky. Well that figures. (I) It doesn't necessarily mean it's you. (J) Just want to understand this. When you realize you're a target because you're sitting on the fence without fully deciding one way or another, and then you jump off too quickly, does that mean in a way that you should stay on the fence? (S) It means you don't have the safety of the network when you're on the fence. (J) But if you jump off in haste, when you realize that you are a prime target for snipers... (S) When you get off you need to know which side you're getting off on. (L) I would say it applies to the idea of getting off the fence deliberately and carefully...rather than sitting there so long somebody finds you and shoots you off. (M) I have been doing this but I didn't think I had a clear view. I find reading the sessions, discussions, things about the German genetics, the predisposition to brutality... I live in Germany and it tears me apart. It's all kinds mixed up. I never thought... it appears that they said that I do have a clear view or the fence sitters do...(L) Well there's a view and there's wishful thinking. (M) I didn't believe I had a clear view, but presuming it's so, as an example, is it possible that STS types can go back into the 1980's and set up fortune tellers and fixed future ideas and stories of marriages and children and sort of hitting weak spots in some sort of seduction...
A: That is SOP for STS.
Q: (M) Okay, so I did spot it. And S** C** was hitting on all those things... (I) Well you weren't sure because you kept saying S** C** did this and that. You know what he's about just based on all the other things he has said, so why be taken in by his seeming "spot on" predictions or "reading?" (M) Well I had a thought that - well, there's more than I could share with you - the thought was, you see, I thought I had this fixed future, and C** comes along and says: 'you gotta be a templar, you've got to leave your job in November,' and the bells went clanging...(J) Sniping at you, eh? (M) But I've been used in the past as well.
A: You have so many buttons that they play you like a concertina.
Q: (M) Okay, how can that be solved? By hypnotism or spirit release therapy" What to make that less risky so the decision making process is better, improved...
A: Think like a hammer.
Q: (M) Well, alright. I've done it briefly, only briefly in the past, but...
A: No pain no gain.
Q: (M) Good general tips for everybody, it's nice the way they answer that. Why wouldn't I just... choosing seems to be obvious because the approaches of these beings, these attempts, feel obnoxious...(I) That's a button! (L) Concertina Man! [group laughter]. (M) Yeah, all these buttons. Okay so think with a hammer. They didn't say spirit release therapy or anything. (I) You need to find out what the buttons are. (L) And work. There's work. I would say thinking about spirit release and all that stuff is looking for an easy way out. Did you ever stop to think that all these little emotional things that get pushed in you, they're just simply emotional programs and you have to master them? I mean you can't just get hypnotized and toss them out and think there's somebody else that's going to do the work for you. (M) What a great point. Maybe S** C** was seeing something. He keeps saying he's told to say things. Maybe there's a reason. Maybe I had a spirit attachment and somebody could say it was an old Knight Templar [everybody laughing at once]. (L) Can't you just say that the whole line that C** fed you is a crock of sh*t. Just say it: 'there's evil people out there that push my buttons' and let it go at that? That's a crock. It pushes your buttons and makes you start going around in these uhahuhahuh, and it's a crock! Say after me M** 'There is a crock of sh*t out there and they're after me.' [M** repeats and agrees] (I) And they can only get to you if you allow that button to be pushed. (L) Why can't you just say 'There ARE agents of negative forces and they will say anything that is designed to push our buttons. They're all snipers and they push our buttons.' (I) You also have to utilize what you see. (M) Okay there was one thing holding me up and that was - and maybe you've heard this a thousand times because you have more experience - but I look at some of the... [I starts laughing] (L) Just remember I'm going to transcribe every word [ongoing laughter]. (J) The thing about when S** pushes your buttons is that he pushes a button and it works; you do the dance; you sing the song; you know what I mean. You're doing it now, chewing on this nonsense over and over again. So, the answer is:just don't sing the song. Don't do the dance. (I) I have a question. There has been so much laughter in the group during the conference that I just want to know: Were you guys laughing all weekend?
A: Let us just say that there is great joy in these "realms" and that does include "laughter."
Q: (I) I'm not even there yet, but God if it's like anything I felt this week, I can't wait. [everybody laughs] I've never laughed this much in my entire life.
A: M**, you have a very poorly developed emotional center.
Q: (M) Well the obvious thing is, that's not acceptable. It's got to be quite right...(S) Just think in small steps, don't think you're going make a leap into having a developed emotional center all at once. You just gotta take one small step after another. (M) Well what is most suitable: sudden shock treatment or steps or...[laughter] For example, can I ever be a worthwhile acquaintance for people that I've known in England? That's been haunting me.
A: You are seeking love in all the wrong places. How can you know love if you cannot bear truth?
Q: (M) So I've got to think with a hammer and, I can't bear truth...
A: Wishful thinking buffers you from truth.
Q: (M) Well that's what I've got to work at so...(L) So basically you're looking for love, you want love. That's the thing you're really after. But how can you have love if you can't bear truth? Seek ye first truth and you will get love. (A) Seeking truth means leave your delusions. (M) I found that some truth is really or mainly just joy with amazement and then...(L) But there is some that you can't stand. All truth is not beauty. All truth is not delight. (A) You see the first step, as I understand, of finding truth, is realizing 'I am alone and I am responsible for everything what happens to me.' And when you understand "I am alone, okay, and I am responsible and there are these snipers and they are shooting at me," then you fully realize your situation, you are alone. Only then, you can DO.
A: More than anyone realizes. Remember that groups "transduce" cosmic energy. Think of the energy transmitted into your realm by your gathering.
Q: (I) I never laughed this much ever! Just a little snippet of what STO can possibly be like, and it's much more than we realize. (S) Is there something special about laughter? (I) Does it generate energy?
A: Pure laughter is rarely experienced in your realm. Just wait for 4th density!
Q: (I) Like I said I can't wait. (H) Was the moment I had where I was laughing at myself something close to that?
A: Partly. It was more a releasing of blockage.
Q: (I) Is that in my case, I mean I couldn't stop laughing.
A: With I**, it is different. You are already past a major block.
Q: (A) I want to go back to agents and ask about the guy from room 103, what was his function, if any?
A: Just think of spy vs spy. There is more than one group interested in what you are doing. Collecting data for later use. Now, all of you have value far beyond your own understanding to this point. It would be wise to remember this and be cautious. Go from this point with joy in this knowledge and...defend it. Good bye.

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August 18, 2002

Ark, Laura, Terry, Jan

[This was the first session attended by T&J since February 3 of 2001 - almost 18 months to the day. So much had happened in that time, so much growth had taken place in ourselves and the group, as a result of dealing with the Bridges and Frank Scott situation, that it seems that the energies no longer "fit." It is interesting to note how the "fractured" energies produce such a variance of contact, and this is important to remember because a similar state existed in the three board sessions held with Vincent Bridges at the table.]

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello.
Q: (L) And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Xtqf.
Q: (L) Is that a name?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopeia.
Q: (L) That's not the way you usually spell it, why did you spell it differently?
A: 3 intent.
Q: (L) 3 intent? (T) Are you from Cassiopaea?
A: Hello. No.
Q: (T) Who are you?
A: Intent.
Q: (T) Your intent?
A: Help u.
Q: (T) But you're not from Cassiopaea?
A: No.
Q: (T) And your name is Xtqf?
A: P I R
Q: (L) Hmmm strange, never had anything like this except with Vincent at the table. (T) What is P I Rr?
A: Pirpimmoonikknqe.
Q: (L) Is the energy different with Terri sitting at the table?
A: !
Q: (L) Obviously we have to regroup because we have a different set of energies here.
A: O!
Q: (T) Are you spelling in shorthand or phonetics?
A: !
Q: (T) When you point at ! what does that mean besides !, are you using it for a shorthand for something?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) What kind of shorthand?
A: Lost rhhjlmos.
Q: (T) Have we lost the connection?
A: To ill.
Q: (J) To ill?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) Who is ill?
A: Temporary.
Q: (T) What's temporary, that the channel's ill?
A: Look! Hello! Look! Hello!
Q: (T) You've said Hello now...is Cassiopaea out here somewhere?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are they going to talk with us tonight? Are we going to talk with us tonight? [The planchette goes flying across the board and comes to rest between Ark and Laura, nearly jumping off the table. It is then still.] Q: (T) Have you left? How will you help us? Are you still there? Is anyone there?
A: Other.
Q: (T) What other?
A: TQ.
Q: (L) Nothing. (T) Well this is different. (L) Have you been sick? (T) No. (L) Well why are they talking about "to ill," and they said t-o and not t-o-o.
A: E I T H 1.
Q: (T) Eith?
A: U fight.
Q: (T) We fight what? (L) U fight. (A) Okay, try now, go together, try...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) No we're not fighting we're just making discussion.
A: Terry.
Q: (T) Yes that's me Terry, I fight?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) I fight? I fight what?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: (T) I fight what?
A: P I I G H K M O R

[Planchette just be "bouncing" around the board.]

Q: (L) Alright you trade off, see what happens.[Terry removes his hand from planchette leaving only Ark and Laura.]
Q: (L) Hello, hello, anybody?
A: Give rest to Terry.
Q: (L) What do you mean "Give rest to Terry?"
A: He is detuned due to long absence.
Q: (L) What's this about ill?
A: Ill fitting energy resonance. Terry needs to regroove.
Q: (L) How does Terry regroove? (T) Yes, how do I regroove? (L) How does a person regroove?
A: First by spending time in learning to the same level as others in resonance.
Q: (T) It moves quick now! (L) So in other words, umm...well I don't know. (A) We are not talking to Cassiopaeans, we are talking to someone unknown.
A: Yes Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Why was it spelled funny the first time?
A: Lack of resonance.
Q: (T) Well I guess I'm out of resonance. (L) Why is Terry out of resonance?
A: Too long absence and cares of life.
Q: (T) Too much 3rd density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) It's been a busy summer. (J) There's been a lot happening. (L) Alright so, tell us what to do about it, do you want to know what to do about it?
A: Interaction is highly desirable. Even if only he is in contact via email.
Q: (T) Email? Do they have email at 6th density?
A: Grooving is long process.
Q: (T) So being away too long is a loss of the groove, frequency?
A: Not loss, failure to keep with pace of rapid advancement of process of network.
Q: (T) Well, that could be. (L) Well you didn't lose anything. (T) I just haven't gained anything. (J) We haven't been keeping up with the story because we've been focused on other things. We've been away mostly for four years since we moved up north. But I think up until maybe the past whatever, he still kept in touch and kept involved in it. But I think with everything that's been happening he hasn't had time. (T) Gotta work to survive.
A: He is holding steady.
Q: (T) Well steady's better than nothing I guess. At least I can be considered steady. (T) Can I try again? (L) Try it, just keep kicking in.
A: Yes keep signalling.
Q: (T) Hello. Hello. (L) We've been doing a lot of thinking about it and it's a noise to signal thing and then of course...(J) It's almost like tuning in a radio station. (L) Yeah.
A: Cow.
Q: (Laughter) (L) Okay, I've got to find out what cow means. (T) Are you calling me a cow? Moooo (Laughter).
A: Sacred cows.
Q: (T) I'm a sacred cow? I've got cats, there sacred cats. We've got cows down the street. What kind of sacred cows? (L) Sacred cows is a term the group uses that refers to when people hang on to certain ideas that they ought to let go of; hanging onto assumptions and ideas...(J) They're holding you back...(L) Right. In fact did you see our little image --No Sacred Cows, NO BULL? Are you saying Terry has sacred cows?
A: Somewhat.
Q: (T) Well doesn't everybody? (L) Hah! Not anymore. We have learned how to get rid of them, very painfully, I should add! (T) And me I always considered myself a sacred cow buster.
A: Terry needs to get in the groove.
Q: (T) How do I get in the groove?
A: Networking works.
Q: (T) Does that mean I need to post on the message board occasionally? I try to keep up with what you're writing. That in itself is a lot of work.
A: Attention is a bi-directional signal. It works best in an exchange.
Q: (J) So where just reading the posts doesn't keep the energy up as much as participating, is that what you mean? (A) That's kind of like when you learn something and you do not do exercises, it's not the same. Exercises flow from you to answer, only when you answer do you really get some help processing. If you just read without answering it is different processing. (T) It very well could be. How well does the board work with anybody else? People who never touched the board before? (L) Well, we haven't even been doing that anymore. It's too iffy. (A) But in the beginning we tried it and had trouble. (J) How often is there someone other than just the two of you on the board? (L) Never. We don't anymore; we just don't even do it anymore. (J) So it's always just the two of you? (L) Yeah, that's the resonance I guess. (J) So it's as much the fact that the process has grooved to the two of you... (A) Yes, this is probable. (J)...coupled with the fact that Terry's been away and maybe not as grooved into the energy because of everything that's been going on. (T) Can it be the energy itself has changed? Or that each person brings different energy?
A: Resonance that is pure is a property of co-linearity. It can resonate thereby to a stronger signal of similar purity.
Q: (A) Co-linearity essentially means going in the same direction. (J) Running along the same lines in similarity. (J) You two are co-linear right now, you have been since you've connected, you've always been co-linear. So that's how it's grooved to your resonance to each other. (L) Yeah. (T) Does that mean we're co-linear, with more twists maybe (to Jan)? (J) Well I think we are. (L) Well the one thing that I think happened or is happening with the group because of the interaction is that everybody is becoming more or less co-linear. It's like increasing, it's like everybody is...their all coming to the same...I don't even know how to say it. It's not the same because everybody has their own particular perspective, it's like they contribute to it. It's like a whole bunch of different people in a circle looking at something, and they're all describing their particular perspective of it... (T) Like their describing an elephant. (L)...and the whole elephant is growing out of it. (J) In other words it's building upon everyone's concentration and their particular focus. It's like everyone's bringing their...(L)...And contributing ...(J)...focus to the table and it's all building from that. (L) Yeah, that's the only way I can describe it because everybody has individual perceptions, but what we're learning is something in the middle that's growing out of everybody's contribution. And then of course this person over here, by contributing their view, that person over there is able to have access to it, to know it. (J) Well if it's building as you go along, everyone's perception of it changes as it builds because it's changing. And they are looking at it, and as they're seeing it and keep contributing different things as it changes. (L) Yeah, and then the very act of that exchange links them all together. (T) That makes sense. I've always felt that by having the material out on the net, the more people read it the more they become attuned to it.
A: Terry has much of value to contribute as well as much to gain.
Q: (T) Okay, what are my sacred cows somewhat?
A: Your opinions.
Q: (T) My opinions are sacred cows? Which opinions, I have too many of them. My opinions on what?
A: Many issues that might be opened to greater awareness by the act of networking with many perspectives. It is important to not close any doors.
Q: (T) True, but then my opinions are extremely outrageous and I offend a lot of people with them. (J) Or are you closing doors. (T) Am I closing doors by not expressing my opinions?
A: Doors are closed by not working with the challenges to opinions of equal "strangeness."
Q: (T) But opinions are opinions and offending someone is a totally different thing and I don't have any interest in offending people with my opinions. (L) I don't think that was the point. You only talk to people who don't have strange opinions. (T) Umm, well I talk to people with really strange opinions that make me look almost normal. (J) It says, "Doors are closed by not working with the challenges to opinions of equal strangeness." (A) Normally the point is that when you have a strong opinion and the opinion clashes with someone else's opinion there's a conflict and the question is: you can say I don't care or you can try to resolve the conflict by analyzing and being open to changing your opinion; not necessarily agreeing with someone else's opinion. But by analyzing the two different things you can make a step to see how changing your opinion in a certain completely new direction is possible. You see, this is black, this is white. Okay, what can we make of this? Well, we may find out that there is a whole spectrum of colors that we can discover a rainbow, you see. We then see: "Oh my god, huh, a rainbow!" that we may not have known existed. (J) And then you realize: "When I did not see your white to my black neither of us saw the stuff in between." (L) Well, one of the things we've seen that happens with the group is somebody will have an opinion, I'll have an opinion, anybody can have an opinion, but they'll say we don't really like to talk about opinions too much. You've seen the way that dynamic works. You can say you have an opinion - or "my truth" - and somebody will say 'On what do you base your opinion, explain it.' And usually, in the course of explaining an opinion, they'll say 'Oh, huh, okay let's think about this opinion.' And then everybody will talk about the opinion. And then, in the end, we may still have the same opinion but for a different reason than we had when we started out. Or, we may change it. (A) But I think the main point is probably that people learn that this exchange or this networking is not just the abstraction of difficult discussion, but that it has direct application to their lives. They want to do something like to be free of programming or to see to some internal line, or to see the matrix working on everyone of them; to note, to see, to interpret things that happen to them in terms of the general framework of reality and better understand their own place in it. And then it becomes a practical thing and that's why people learn that being open to what is new, you can notice things that are useful. [Further discussion]
Q: (T) So are there any particular opinions that you can begin with that can point out that I can work on? (L) Oh Terry you know you're not supposed to ask that, you know better! (laughter)
A: He is trying to fool Mother Cassiopaea. Not today!
Q: (T) Nice try, no cigar (laughter).
A: No short cuts!
Q: (T) Well I have a lot to work with don't I? I have opinions on everything. (L) Don't we all. (T) Which one...(L) Just start throwing them out there. (T) How do I throw them out there without being offensive? I just try very hard to not be offensive to people...'cause I have no reason...
A: Ask questions!
Q: (A) It's very simple. If I have just opinions and my thing is just to express my opinion to other people, it's a signal that I don't want to learn anything. If I think I know all, where does openness and growth come in? The solution is to just suspend all opinion and just be curious and ask questions and see if you can learn. Just do -- 'I am suspending all opinions. Even if have one, I'm not going to express it.' Because sooner or later, if you ask questions people will start thinking and trying to answer, and then they will start asking:'Well, tell us what you think.' Right? 'It's suspicious he is just ask question and he is not giving anything from himself' (laughter). And then it becomes a dynamic exchange.
A: Networking works!!!
Q: (T) Actually since we've been doing the antique shows I've been talking to more people than I have in a long time; people I've never met you know; people just all over the place out there. Boy, some of them have opinions that make me feel good!
A: Are they co-linear?
Q: (L) Co-linear. Co-linear means going in the same direction. (T) In other words, do they have the same opinions I have? (A) No. No. Going in the same direction. (L) You don't have to have the same opinions, but you want to go in the same direction. What are their goals? (T) I don't know, for the most part they're just people I talk to passing through on the shows. I'm only talking to them for a few minutes. (J) There's no co-linearity there. (A) They are not even co-linear in interest; except for commercial ones. (T) Well, it doesn't hurt to try and express the STO philosophy to them as they pass by; be nice and friendly; show them that the whole world doesn't hate them. (J) Were not quite up to pulling people off the street yet. (T) Do you have any more to say on this?
A: First you must choose your goals. Then you network with others with similar goals to achieve them. What do you want? Graduation or repeating the grade?
Q: (T) Oh well graduation is always the best. (L) Well you know what Gurdjieff said - 'No one can escape alone. You have to have a group and you have to have a plan, and you have to work.' Nobody can do it alone and you have to do it with the help of somebody's who done it before. It's a very important thing he said about that. He said first you have to understand you're in prison and then you have to learn about the prison and you have to learn about how to get out, and you can only learn about that from somebody who's already gotten out. And you can't do it alone because it takes a whole team. (T) To get out? (L) Yeah, that's what he said, and it's so true. Because the minute you start wiggling around in the matrix, it comes down on your head. (T) Well the matrix is programmed to keep us here. And keep us stupid. (L) Yeah. Okay, are we done with you Terry? (T) I think so! But I have a question. What happened to Ark and Laura's computer system this weekend?
A: Mainly it is a psychic signal of impending quantum shift.
Q: (T) Just because the computers went down? Uh, can you expand on that a little bit?
A: Fluidity of reality affects such "hardware" which is sensitive to such flux.
Q: (A) So something is going to shift, reality is fluid, hardware is affected, and all kinds of things happen probably due to the interaction of what is outside us and the hardware. It's hard to find the real prime reason, see. (L) I think what happens sometimes is the reality starts fluxing, and then you become psychically aware of this reality flux, and the psychic energy in your own system then affects those things in your environment that are attuned or sensitive to your psychic energy. In this way, your psychic energy can signal you. I guess, it's like the black cat walking by twice, that would be one way of putting it. (A) I think it's like with this magician, the real magicians like the one you were talking about today, who mix what is called slight of hands with real magic, right? And one helps to other and you can say: Well he isn't showing real magic because it's all tricks. No! Some yes, but some is real magic. But he's mixing them together because, well it works. The real magic doesn't always work. It works once in awhile and you have no full control so you must help with your exercises. It's the same when we interact with our reality. It is fluid when we are in a certain state. And, when it is fluid because of our state, also electrical things are in a certain state. And some of the things that happen are probably because of our interaction. What was the reason? Part of the reason was there somehow something unusual happened, because thousands times you switch and maybe you switched in a different way than always, right? So that's what I think.
A: Chaos is part of the conditions or the creation of a new reality.
Q: (T) There's a lot of reality out there to break down... What is the quantum change that's coming? Quantum shift.
A: This depends on the observer.
Q: (T) Okay that makes sense. Depending how the change affects you will be the way you relate to it, and everybody would relate a little different. Also they nicely side stepped the question. (J) No, there would be no one answer. So, something's coming, that's what the computer's picked up. [A loud crashing sound is heard from the vicinity of the office and weight lifting equipment. All get up to go investigate, but nothing is found.]
Q: (T) Did you just open a quantum door for us?
A: Ha ha! Had you going.
Q: (T) Had you going? (J) Yeah, we left the room didn't we? (T) You did that?
A: You did.
Q: (T) We did? I did. I did? How did I do that? (A) I have no idea.
A: Psychic flux.
Q: (T) I hope whatever it was, it wasn't the computer. Ark spent too much time today getting them to work again. [A discussion ensued concerning the sound they had heard in a part of the house that was described by Terry as the sound of a door opening and closing very loudly.]
A: Just think of all the potential that is untapped.
Q: (J) Did we all do that, or did Terry?
A: Mostly Terry because of his chaotic inner state at the moment.
Q: (T) Okay, I'm in a chaotic state of some kind. (J) Is it because of the caffeine and sugar?
A: Not really. Terry is seeing a path and is in turmoil at the inner awareness of the choices ahead and the potentials. He gave up many goals in the past and there is a great sensation of loss and desire to resume the path.
Q: (T) Okay, that's pretty heavy. (J) Yeah it is.
A: It was when it fell, too.
Q: [Laughter.] (T) Okay, humor, mirth. When it fell. I like that. That was good. They've never talked about me like this before. I don't know what to ask. What more do you have, go ahead continue. Keep right on explaining things to me and I'll see if I can come up with some questions. I'm just kind of confused right now! (A) Didn't you have something to say, a question you wanted to ask? (L) Umhmm. Yeah, but I forgot what I was going to ask. Everything fell on the floor and whatever. (A) It was something we were talking about earlier. (L) I was going to ask if I needed to be any more concerned or observant with this other situation we were discussing earlier, or not? The BT thing?
A: Awareness is good and the understanding that even those who may be fooling themselves and others can be helped by the pretense in some ways.
Q: (L) Well that helps. In other words, if there is some pretending or attempting to fool, as long as are aware, of it, we can allow it to continue in the case that it might help the person, and the help they are giving is also useful. Because sometimes people pretend and then they realize that by interacting in the environment into which they have pretended their way, they actually like it and they become more real than they're pretending to be. You know what I mean? (T) Oh yeah, absolutely. (L) So maybe that's what's applicable. (T) That could very well be. I know what you're referring to. I have one more question about the computers problem, okay? Should Ark consider reformatting the other server Windows 2000 on it, just in case something's there also?
A: This problem is soon to be solved in an unusual way.
Q: (T) Oh good, okay, then you don't have to do 2000 on there again. (A) Maybe it works now. (T) Only a thought that came to me only because their blowing through $50 Firewalls and $50,000 firewalls and ozline can't tell you who it is, and the phone company can't tell you who it is. They see the activity, but nobody knows what is going on. (A) Yeah. (L) Okay so we don't have a computer problem that we need to worry about. (T) I have some issues to deal with, but that can be done easily. I have a path to follow. (L&J) I don't know if it can be done easy! (T) Well I'm trying to convince myself, I'm thinking I'd much rather reload Windows 2000! Any last words, any other questions? Any advice, thoughts, ideas, directions? Beside "discover."
A: Seek ye first the desire of the heart and all else falls into place.
Q: (T) I like that, that's a very classy little saying right there. That would make a good T-shirt. Any other questions? (L) The only question I have now is... there comes that damn helicopter! (T) That's spooky, that's not Bayflight is it? (L) They masquerade as all kinds of helicopters - police, Bayflight - see what he does. (T) You know, the SWAT team drops down, 'we want to talk to you about $5 million of equipment from Washington.' (J) Yes, I have a question. Is there anything that I can do to help Terry?
A: Best to let him lead on this one.
Q: (T) Okay, let me ask one more question, I know everybody's getting tired. With these goals that I gave up was that because I was being an ass or because I really was doing something good for somebody else when I was giving them up?
A: Mostly the former with the qualifier that it was mostly fear of loss.
Q: (T) I'm trying to understand what they're saying and put it into perspectives with my life. Was I being STS or STO at the time when I was giving these things up, it sounds like I was being STS. So I was hurting myself, just doing that.
A: Wanting to help others can often be STS if the reason, at deep levels is fear.
Q: (T) Fear of what?
A: Loss.
Q: (T) Hmm, I'll have to ponder on this awhile. (L) Loss of what? (T) That's a good question, loss of what?
A: Respect, love, others opinions, and a big one: self image.
Q: I think what they're saying is you gave up things that you wanted to do to do other things that you thought were things that you ought to be doing to help other people, and the reason you did it that way was because you thought that if you didn't sacrifice yourself and your own wants and needs and these things that you wanted to follow and pursue, that other people would have a lesser opinion of you, or they wouldn't love you or they wouldn't like you, or they would think that you were just being selfish and mean, or something like that...(J) Because you would lose your own self image. (L)...and the self image was rescuer, savior, fixer, helper. (T) Well that kind of sums it up doesn't it? (L) Hey, we've all been there. Fear of loss. The big one, loss of your self image. (T) Okay I can work with that, that's something to work with. Uh, anything else?
A: Goodbye.

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