July 31, 1999
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: I want to ask an off the wall question here before we get
serious. Is there any kind of rain dance we can do to cool things
off a bit? It is really scorching and our air conditioner is going
A: You can do as you choose.
Well, if I knew that it might work, and if there was such a thing
as a real rain dance, I would certainly choose to do it!
Laura, you cannot possibly expect us to answer such a vaguely and
Q: Well lighten up!
A: We are light.
Q: Well, let me phrase it this way...
Q: There are many legends and stories and myths and customs around
the globe that involve the use of varying ecstatic techniques which
are designed to establish some sort of balance in the practitioner
and this is supposed to extend to the environment, which, if things
are overly dry, will balance itself by producing rain. Are any of
A: Most of the so-called rain dances would leave the participants so
that ultimately, they cared not if it rained or not.
But, is there a grain of truth in these ideas?
A: If you can dance all day on your tippy toes, then you deserve
Q: I am obviously not going to get anywhere with this line of
questions since you are being so elusive! I am of the personal
opinion that there ARE things that one can do that induce response
in the environment; not necessarily dancing, but meditative or
whatever practices that can have this effect. Any comment?
Meditate oh so softly and soothingly while strategically
garden hose so that it is pointed straight upward, then slowly turn
on the faucet.
Q: Okay, various folks are now saying that Dr. Mengele of Nazi fame
is the same person as Dr. Green of Greenbaum programming fame.
Q: Did Mengele go to South America and die there as reported?
Q: The Greenbaum material says that there was a Jewish boy brought
to America and trained as a doctor who became this infamous Dr.
Greenbaum. Is that true?
A: No. “Green” is an alias, or more accurately, a pseudonym for
persons engaged in mind control efforts.
Q: Next question. Somebody sent me some information recently about
something called “Roswell Rods.” Can you tell me what these “Rods”
A: Do you mean the life forms?
Q: Well, that IS what some of the folks are trying to call them!
A: 4th Density Life Forms.
Q: That’s pretty interesting.
(A) Is it a being with a soul?
A: Sort of.
Q: (A) Intelligent?
A: Relative to others.
Q: In terms of what we know about relative intelligence, could you
give us an example of something in our density that relates here?
Q: They are like 4th density birds?
A: Maybe. That’s close enough.
Q: Now, there is some woman who is sending some information around
on the net saying that there is supposed to be some sort of ‘grand
cross window’ around August the 13th, that will do something that
she calls ‘imprinting.’
Q: Is anything interesting going to happen on August 13?
A: Vague. Open.
Q: I know it’s vague. Just another of the endless rumors and
obfuscations. These people must sit up all night thinking of this
stuff! Now, somebody sent in a question: Was the moon placed in
orbit around the earth for a purpose?
A: ?!? That is a leading question, i.e.: when did you stop beating
Q: Let me ask it this way: was the moon added or placed
A: Okay. This is impossibly complex because in one way or another,
is part of a “plan.”
Q: So, if we go far enough back or deeper into the considerations of
the various densities, you will find out that everything is part of
a grand plan.
Can you give us just briefly any of the significant effects of the
moon in its position in relation to the Earth?
A: These are basically known.
Q: So, the scientific observations are to be considered, as well as
the earlier remarks you made about this. Now, this guy also asks:
The Cassiopaeans have said that there are 16 groups of ‘good ‘guys
and 16 groups of ‘bad guys.’ Have they ever mentioned the names of
A: Excuse us!?
Q: Well, they want you to name the different groups since you did
make this remark at one point. Are you going to give a list of the
participants on each side?
A: No, we are not.
So this is one of the things we have to learn to figure out
Q: There is another guy who wants to know if there is a possibility
that the effects of the Wave is reflected in physiological
phenomena, such as elevation in blood pressure and other things?
A: In some cases.
Q: In my own case, was my extremely high blood pressure a reflection
of this Wave business, or was it just simply too much coffee?
A: Are those the only two possibilities?
No. What was the cause?
A: Combination of many factors. We think you are possessed of more
knowledge for this!
Q: Okay, Larry and Elvire. Some guy writes to him as follows:
“Larry, I am getting some strange reports about the Pacific UFO.
What have you heard? One thing, there is more and more effort being
put into finding it or getting it, or however you put it. If you
will look into it, the Navy has just launched a deep sea rescue
submersible and they announced that they are going to ‘test’ it in
the Pacific. Another thing, ASTAT announced about a week ago, maybe
two, that there is an unidentified sonic source from the deep
Pacific.” So, Larry added:
“it appears to me that the Lizzies are constructing an underwater
base in anticipation of the arrival of more than 36 million Lizards
due to arrive soon. Could this be so?”
A: The problem with these questions is that they attempt to
beginning at the middle: presumptuous!! If one truly wishes to
learn, one must be open to all possibilities.
Q: Okay, I guess that you are saying that there is some assuming
going on here.
So, let me ask this: are there 36 million Lizards on their way here?
A: The Lizard beings occupy 4th density.
Are you saying that because they occupy 4th density, they don’t
have to COME here because they ARE here?
Q: Now, you have told us that there ARE 36 million Nephilim on the
A: Nephilim are 3rd density; big difference.
Q: Is an underwater base being constructed in the Pacific in
anticipation of something?
A: No need to construct that which already exists.
Q: Is there any truth to the idea that the U.S. Navy is trying to
find or get something out in the Pacific?
A: Maybe, but all governmental stuff is compartmentalized, so it is
Q: Okay, he also writes: “the photon belt energy is almost upon us
according to our channels.” I guess he means the wave energy, or the
interpretation of this according to these various channels. Is a
‘photon belt’ or wave energy almost upon us?
A: Laura, you know how to deal with this.
Q: I know. This purported photon belt has been ‘almost upon’ us so
many times that it is becoming boring. Now, another person wants to
ask: “is archangel Michael one of the Nordic beings?” Don’t blast
me; I’m just the middle man here!
A: No comment.
Q: Now, this guy here suggests that ceiling fans and other things
can interfere with alien abduction or manipulation. Can electronic
gadgets interfere with aliens coming through the density curtain?
A: No, but maybe a pin cushion would help.
Q: Why a pin cushion?
A: Why not?
(F) I think they are getting irritated with all of these
(L) Well, this guy suggests that tinkling wind
chimes and garlic slices placed around the room, the rubbing of
garlic into affected body parts, keeping the lights on, and so forth
will keep aliens away.
(F) That won’t keep away aliens, but it WILL
keep away human abductions!
(L) Well, hold on here! This is
interesting: he says that when an abduction is imminent, place the
hose on the ground, turn the water on and walk across it... that
running water can block the aliens.
There is another guy who sends this list: he says that on August
12, 1943, in Cornwall, that Aliester Crowley performed a ritual with
the intention of producing a line of ‘rough water’ from Cornwall to
Montauk point. Also, in August 1943, the Navy went ahead with the
Philadelphia Experiment. Then, on August 12, in 1983, the Montauk
Project crashed after successfully manipulating time and space as
well as mind behavior control. Then, on August 11, 1999, the last
solar eclipse of the Millennium will take place, and that the path
of this eclipse is the same as the path of rough water Crowley
wanted to produce in 1943. Furthermore, the shadow of the eclipse
will first touch land at Cornwall, UK at 11.11 a.m. On August 12,
1999, one day after the last solar eclipse of the Millennium, four
major constellations will form a grand cross square in space - this
must be where this woman gets this grand cross imprinting thing -
with Earth as its center. Some folks are saying August 17th and
18th. The four constellations are Leo, Taurus, Scorpio and Aquarius.
These same four figures make up the Sphinx and are directly out of
the book of Revelations. On August 12, 1999, at the Great Pyramid of
Giza, the Illuminati, a faction of the Freemasons, begin rituals in
preparation for the return of Horus. In attendance will be some of
the most significant leaders of the world. Also, on August 12, 1999,
a comet only just discovered this past April - this is Comet Lee -
will complete its trek from behind the Sun. This comet fits all the
Nostradamus predictions for a disaster in 1999. Crowley was
associated with Wilhelm Reich, this guy says, but I believe that is
incorrect as far as I have been able to determine; just more rumor
mongering - famous for his theory on Orgone energy. The military
used him in their research on weather control; I believe that is
also a spurious rumor because, if the government did ANYTHING
regarding Wilhelm Reich, it was to silence and destroy him. Orgone
energy was essential to sexual magick practices by Crowley and
others who followed and worshipped the ancient gods. Sexual Orgone
Energy was a primary factor in Montauk projects, this guy says, and
the Illuminati are a faction of the Freemasons who want to usher in
a New World Order because they believe they will inherit the earth
and that they can accomplish this by arranging for the return of
Horus. He further writes that: “Crowley’s wife, Rose, went into
trance and delivered to her husband instructions from Horus on the
ways and means of preparing for his return. All of this smacks of
conspiracy. I am not a conspiracy believer, but I do believe that
many influential people do believe in practicing rituals according
to secrets that have been passed down through the ages. How could
Crowley coincidentally perform a ritual that connects Montauk to
Cornwall, which happens to be the site of ancient occultic
practices, at the same time as the Philadelphia Experiment,
simultaneously connecting all three via time and space as well as
physically.” Alright, could you make a comment on that, or should I
go through it more slowly.
A: General comment: oh please!
Q: That’s what I thought. Now, very quickly, Larry has suggested
working with us on getting a book produced....
Q: Now, you told us that the Montauk experiment was something that
began in the
1920s. All of the stories say that the Navy was trying to make ships
invisible to radar for defensive purposes. That’s the story. My
question is: is that just a cover story?
Q: Is that, in fact, what they were attempting to do?
Q: Can you get me any closer to it? What were their intentions?
A: Convergence of interests: US Navy, Secret Government, Esteemed
Q: Did they actually, even accidentally, discover through this work
something about time travel?
A: Yes, but it was more an accident for the Navy than for others
Q: Okay, was the accident and following fiasco fairly accurately
represented in the various books about it?
Q: After all of this, did they bring the project to a halt, even if
Q: Did they decide that ‘oh, we have discovered something really
fantastic; let’s see what we can do with it?’
Q: Did this actually take place at Montauk?
Q: Were Russians and/or Germans working on similar projects at the
same time, or even a little later?
A: Germans earlier, Russians later.
Q: Are the efforts of the Germans, Russians, and the Americans
combined at the present time?
A: At some levels they are combined, yes.
Q: Would you be able to evaluate the efforts of the three and say
which one, at the present time, is the most advanced?
A: Does not work that way.
Q: Why does it not work that way?
A: Advanced goes to Consortium.
Q: Are you saying that when work of this kind gets to a certain
level, it gets absorbed into the Consortium?
Q: Was Aliester Crowley connected with any of these people involved
in the Montauk project?
Q: Was Aliester Crowley just a looney tune on the outside...
Q: What was Aliester Crowley’s role in all of this?
Q: Did Aliester Crowley have a role in ANY of this
Q: So what Aliester Crowley was doing was altogether separate,
though it may have been of interest to some groups?
A: Separate, though it may have occasionally intersected.
Q: Is there any particular significance to the date August 12, at
any point in time?
Q: Back to Montauk: the Montauk project continued. Did they ever, at
any point in time, produce monsters as some of these stories I have
Q: Was this a result of opening portals between densities or
dimensions and having cross-density window fallers dropping in, so
Q: Were any of these supposed monsters that they were supposed to
have created, productions or creations of their minds?
A: Other densities afford a degree of one and the same thing.
Q: Okay. You previously have said that the HAARP project is a
continuation of the Montauk project.
Q: What part is not correct?
A: You must remember compartments.
Q: So, the right hand often doesn’t know what the left is doing. You
also once said that the HAARP project was partly operational. Are
some of these wildly extravagant shootings of recent times, or
people going off the deep end, a result of some of the HAARP
experimentation in mind control, or testing?
A: This is a result of many forces.
Q: Is this something that we ought to pursue: a line of questions
about these recent acts of violence?
A: Only if you had a better grasp.
Q: I don’t think I have a good enough grasp. Back to Montauk. Is
Montauk connected in any way with this Alternative Three idea of
transferring groups or perimeters in the event of a cataclysm or
A: Too complex, but be careful of what you read.
Q: In what sense?
A: Disinformation. This is most of what you hear and read.
Q: (A) Okay, you have mentioned the Navy and the physicists, and
then there were these people who simply were producing monsters,
which does not seem to be anything that the Navy would want to do,
much less physicists!
A: You are confusing subjects and time frames.
Q: (A) Somebody had to plan this experiment, yes?
A: But that was the Philadelphia Experiment.
Q: (L) How did this business of producing monsters and all that even
come into this project?
A: Experiments in mind programming and psy-warfare.
Q: So, these were separate experiments. But, did they fall under the
Q: So, they were compartmentalized things.
A: But the monsters were long after the Eldridge.
Q: When did the experiments with the monsters occur?
A: Late 70s.
Q: Have they continued on with this monster producing business?
A: No need to get hung up on “monsters.”
Well, that would give me the heebie jeebies for sure!
A: Other materializations.
Q: They are working on other materializations, or they HAD other
A: Not just monsters.
Q: Well, that’s too good to pass. What OTHER kinds of
materializations did they have?
A: You name it!
Q: Were they able to materialize money for themselves?
A: No need.
Q: Were they able to materialize people from the past or the future?
Q: Did they, in fact, do this?
Q: Did they ask people from the future what kinds of events have
occurred between then and now in order to refine their plans and
A: No such.
Q: So, they could materialize somebody from the future, but it was
only as potential, or probable future, so therefore, it meant very
little, or was useless?
A: One of 329 decillion.
Q: Probable futures?
It’s a lot.
A: Up to a point...
Q: At which time something collapses into the now. Regarding these
folks they materialized from the past: anybody we would know?
Q: Could they select who they materialized, or was it random?
A: The materialization was really a duality. Review texts re:
between densities for idea.
Q: Could it be possible that, using this technology, the U.S.
Government, or Secret Government, has been doing abductions on human
beings that the victims THINK is an alien abduction?
A: Maybe in some cases, but the technology is not comparable.
Q: Other than people from the past and future, what other kinds of
things did they materialize in the Montauk experiments?
Q: What kinds of things were they interested in materializing more
than anything else?
(A) Probably technological devices.
(L) Did they
materialize technology from the future?
A: This is more complex than your questions indicate.
Q: I realize this. I am struggling with this whole idea. I would
just like to know what sorts of things they were most interested in
materializing so that I would then have a clue as to which direction
to go with my questions.
A: Not applicable.
When they were doing this materializing, did they not have direct
Were they just experimenting to see what WOULD materialize at
A: Their knowledge brought them to a level different than your
Q: Well, help me out here! What do you mean?
A: No use comparing apples to oranges.
At any point did their knowledge and materializations incline
them toward benevolent acts and tendencies regarding the rest of the
A: This is not working because you are thinking one way and they do
Q: Can you give me a word or two that will clue me as to how to
change my thinking?
A: Sure. Try to explain calculus to a kindergartner!!
Q: You are saying that this Consortium, these Montauk folks, have a
level of knowledge, and a way of thinking, that makes my thinking,
and our thinking, seem like ...
My thinking is poppycock relative to theirs?
Q: (A) But this is only because we do not have this knowledge!
A: Right !!!!
Q: And we are trying to get it!
A: You cannot get it without an enormous amount of patience!
Q: Do we have time to have that kind of patience?
A: These experiments have been conducted over a time period you
recognize as about 93 years and have involved thousands of humans
and a few hundred NHIs.
Q: Are the people involved in these experiments STS or STO?
A: All “people” are STS.
Q: Well, the people who are working in the direction of STO, what
chance do they have of access to this knowledge?
A: They do not need it.
Q: Why don’t they need it?
A: They will have it when the elevator reaches “floor number 4.”
Q: Are you saying that it is not essential for us to struggle to
know these things because it will come naturally?
Q: Well, gosh! You had me worried there! So, these guys are working
digging for knowledge to control others?
Q: Are they trying to develop technology to lock the planet into 3rd
density so that it won’t go to 4th density?
A: Some may be.
Q: Do they see the moving to 4th density as a threat to their plans
Q: (A) I believe that there is a lot of this knowledge that would be
useful for me to know before I go to 4th density, assuming I will
go. I mean, knowledge is knowledge, and I am sure I would make good
use of this. Why did you say that this knowledge is not needed for
A: We did not say that.
Q: You said that all people are STS, and then we asked about those
who are moving to STO, and the answer was ‘they do not need it. They
will have it after they reach 4th density.
A: But you are not there yet.
Q: You just said that we couldn’t possibly get it! We don’t have
ninety some years and thousands of people to work on, and that what
we know now is just poppycock!
A: No, no, no. You are misreading what we said!!!! Your line of
bespoke a level of knowledge not on the same level as those directly
engaged in the vast experimentation which in part, was conducted at
Montauk. If you were to review the transcripts extensively, you
would find that you possess much more knowledge on this sort of
thing than you apparently have remembered for tonight’s session. You
have put forth so much energy toward building the website that you
have drained some of your conscious recall ability for the moment.
And no, we are not criticizing your efforts, we applaud them!!! But,
you could use a thoughtful, meditative review!
End of Session
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August 28, 1999
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: We have been discussing the strange visitors to our website. It
seems that there is a lot of interest from groups that are connected
with intelligence and military organizations. Can you tell us what
their interest is in our material?
A: Material is largely accurate.
Q: Do they understand that this material is largely accurate, and is
this the reason for their interest?
Do we have to be concerned about any ramifications as a result of
A: If so, the need for concern began with your respective births!
Q: Why did the interest begin with our births?
A: Not interest we speak of; destiny.
Well, since we have revamped the website, there has been a huge
amount of interest, so we have decided that it would be a good idea
to get a book out since I can already see signs of plagiarism on
other sites, and they are taking whole chunks of our material and
passing it around on some of the news groups.
I need to put the whole thing together. Any advice about the book?
you would like to add or suggest?
A: Be careful to make attributions valid.
Q: I don’t think that will be a problem. Anything else?
A: Resist urge to place credit/onus on yourself. E.G. if “you know
the fan,” do you wish to be in the line of fire?
Q: I don’t think that’s a problem either.
A: Oh, but it could be!
Q: Now, I asked Terry and Jan to contribute to the book, and I would
like to know how to place them in context? Can you advise? Should
they be just observers and sometime participants?
Q: Should they also be in the context of significant contributors to
the receiving of the information?
I have noticed from the energetic action at the times they were
present, it almost seemed that they were a ground wire, so to speak?
Would that be an accurate assessment?
Q: Can you give any other clues regarding this interaction?
Q: Is it significant?
Q: (A) I think they were active and lively participants.
A: Tell the story as it happened.
Q: I had thought that I would limit the story and concentrate on the
A: The material is part of the story. So are the participants.
Q: What about all the peripheral people [list].
A: Each deserves mention commensurate with input/impact.
Q: Gads! That will be a HUGE story to tell all of that!
A: Not necessarily.
Q: I have this book, this Marcia Schafer thing: “Confessions of an
Intergalactic Anthropologist,” and its a bunch of channelled stuff;
one thing she says: “the snake is associated with the sign of wisdom
and higher learning, and is often regarded quite highly in mystical
circles.” She had an interaction with a rattlesnake, for which she
felt sympathy, and she also has sympathetic interactions with
Lizzies. I would like to have a comment on the idea of the snake as
a “sign of wisdom and higher learning.” Does this, in fact,
represent what the snake symbolizes?
A: Snake is/was reported in context of the viewpoint of the
Q: Are you saying that when the observer’s viewpoint is that the
snake is a symbol of higher learning, maybe...
A: Maybe the observer was just “blown away” by the experience.
Q: Clarify, please.
A: If you were living in the desert, or jungle, about 7,000 years
ago, as you
measure time, would you not be impressed if these Reptoid “dudes”
came down from the heavens in silvery objects and demonstrated
techno-wonders from thousands of years in the future, and taught you
calculus, geometry and astrophysics to boot?!?
Q: Is that, in fact, what happened?
Q: Well, this is one of the problems I am dealing with in trying to
write this history of mankind. As I understand it, or as I am trying
to figure it out from the literature, prior to the ‘Fall in Eden,’
mankind lived in a 4th density state. Is that correct?
A: Semi/sort of.
Q: Please be more specific.
A: 4th density in another realm, such as time/space continuum, etc.
Q: Okay, so this realm changed, as a part of the cycle; various
made: the human race went through the door after the ‘gold,’ so to
became aligned with the Lizzies after the ‘female energy’ consorted
wrong side, so to speak. This is what you have said. This resulted
in a number
of effects: the breaking up of the DNA, the burning off of the first
ten factors of DNA, the separation of the hemispheres of the
A: Only reason for this: you play in the dirt, you’re
going to get
Q: What was the motivating factor for playing in the dirt? What
essential thing occurred? You said once that it was ‘desire based
imbalance.’ What was it a desire for?
A: Increased physicality.
Q: What was the objective sought for in this desire for increased
Q: How was sensate experienced so that these beings had an idea that
they could get more if they increased their physicality?
Not experienced, demonstrated.
Q: Demonstrated how, by who?
A: Do you not know?
Q: It was demonstrated by the Lizzies?
Q: Demonstrated in what way? Did they say: ‘here, try this!’ Or did
they demonstrate by showing or doing?
A: Closer to the latter.
Q: They were doing, experimenting, playing, and saying: ‘look, we
are doing this, it’s so great, come here and try it?’
A: Not really. More like: “you could have this.”
Q: What seemed to be so desirable about this increased physicality
when they said ‘you can have this?’
A: Use your imagination!
Q: Was there any understanding, or realization of any kind, that
increased physicality could be like Osiris lured into his own coffin
by Set? That they would then slam the lid shut and nail him in?
A: Obviously, such understanding was lacking.
Sounds like a pretty naive bunch! Does the lack of this
understanding reflect a lack of knowledge?
A: Of course. But more, it is desire getting in the way of...
Q: Okay. The ‘Fall’ occurred. It seems like, and some of the
archaeological studies indicate, that for many thousands of years,
there was a peaceful existence and a nice agrarian society where the
goddess or female creative forces were worshipped. At least, this is
what a lot of present-day books are proposing...
A: No. These events took place 309000 years ago, as you measure it.
when the first prototype of what you call “modern man” was created.
The controllers had the bodies ready, they just needed the right
soul matrix to agree to “jump in.”
Q: So, prior to this time, this prior Edenic state...
A: Was more like 4th density.
Q: But that implies that there was some level of physicality. Was
there physicality in the sense of bodies that look like present-day
A: Not quite.
Q: What did these pre-fall...
A: Cannot answer because it is too complex for you to understand.
Q: Does this mean that the are experienced... that the bodies we
possibly would move into as 4th density beings, assuming that one
does, would also be too complex for us to understand? You are saying
that this ‘sort of 4th density’ pre-Fall state, in terms of the
physical bodies, is too complex to understand. If going back to 4th
density is anything like coming from 4th density, does that mean
that what we would go back to is something that is too complex to
understand? This variability of physicality that you have described?
Q: So, was there any kind of worship of God, or religious activity
in this pre-Fall state; this Edenic, 4th density state?
No need when one has a clue.
Q: What I am trying to get at here, what I am trying to understand,
transition from the goddess worship to the god worship; the change
understanding of cyclical time as expressed in the feminine cycles,
and expressed as the goddess; to the concept of linear time,
expressed as the masculine principle. It seems to me that these were
stages of inversion of concepts which gradually led to the ideas
that the Lizzies are imposing on us, and seem to have been working
in this direction for millennia - the dominator experience which
expresses as: believe in something outside yourself that will save
you, otherwise you are damned because the world is going to end, and
you are going to get judged. This is the concept I am trying to deal
with here. I am trying to understand what was worshipped. Okay, we
had these guys; they fell from Eden, but they were still fairly
close to the original concepts, in some terms. Once they jumped into
the physical bodies, as you put it, what was their level of
conceptualization regarding the universe? Did they still retain some
understanding at that point?
A: Kind of like the understanding one has after severe head trauma,
vis a vis
your normal understanding in your current state.
Q: So, they were traumatized; they may have had bits and pieces of
ideas and memories, but they may also have lost a great deal
altogether. There may have even been a sort of “coma” state of
mankind for many millennia. But, after they woke up, with the bits
and pieces floating around in their heads, they may have begun to
attempt to piece it all together. So, they started putting it all
back together. What was the first thing they put together regarding
the cosmos around them?
Q: What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were
having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?
A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in
this mess in
the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: “Look how
much fun this is! Want to try it?!? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell
you, you cannot go back!”
Q: I really fail to understand - and I know it is a big issue that
has been hinted at and alluded to, and outright claims have been
made regarding sex in all religions and mythologies - but I fail to
understand the mechanics of how this can be the engineering of a
‘fall.’ What, precisely, are the mechanics of it? What energy is
generated? How is it generated? What is the conceptualization of the
misuse of this energy, or the use of the energy?
A: It is simply the introduction of the concept of
self-gratification of a
Q: On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have
perfect balance of physicality and ethereality. This has been said
on a number of occasions. Now, I don’t understand how it can be that
gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one
is entrapped? Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful?
Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear
something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is
sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved
one? These various things that the human being derives pleasure from
very often elevate them to a spiritual state.
A: Possession is the key.
Q: What do you mean?
A: In STS, you possess.
Q: That’s what I am saying here...
A: If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of
but do not seek to possess...
Q: It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these
things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess; only
to give. In which case, I still don’t understand how it can be a
mechanism for a ‘fall.’
A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a
chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach?
Q: Well, you could!
A: No, in STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because
pleasant sensation which results.
Q: Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of
including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being
attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the
A: Explain the process.
Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because
they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the
Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to
suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that
might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that
a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually,
making a person...
A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future
desire to possess something in the end.
Q: What I am saying is: if a person can simply BE, in the doing and
being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in
doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they
are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the
sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of
oneness, doesn’t that constitute a giving to the universe as giving
oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these
A: Not if one is “feeling this oneness.”
Q: We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression.
And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in
honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating
the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than
doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just
BE, not want... just BE?
A: Yes, but STS does not do that.
Q: (A) From which I draw conclusions: if there STS around us, we
A: You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.
Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are
those who are trying to get out of the STS mode...
A: STO candidate.
Q: (A) These STO candidates cannot just simply BE, even
theoretically, because then, STS would eat them.
Q: Why not?
A: STS does not eat according to protocol.
Q: What does that mean?
A: What do you suppose?
Q: I have no idea!
A: STS “eats” whatever it wants to, if it is able.
Q: That’s what we said. If you are STO in an STS world, you are
basically defenseless and they eat you.
Q: Why? What makes STO unavailable or ‘inedible?’
A: Frequency resonance not in sync.
Q: (A) But then, that would mean that all these people who are
saying that we need just to love everything and everybody, are
right. They just be, and love, don’t do anything, just give
everything to the Lizzies... they are right!
A: No, because motivation is STS.
Q: How is the motivation to love everything and everybody, and to
just give, STS?
A: Feels good.
Q: So, they want to do it because it feels good?
A: Want is an STS concept.
Q: So, you seem to be suggesting that the real trick is to just
become non-attached to anything and anybody, do nothing, and just
dissolve into nothing? No thought, no want, no do, no be, no
A: If you are STS, that does not fit, but, if you did exactly that,
reincarnate in an STO realm, where such energy does fit.
Q: But, if
you have become nothing, how do you reincarnate? And, when you say
‘reincarnate,’ that implies being in a body!
A: You do not become nothingness.
Q: But, being incarnated means being in a body?
Q: You mean moving into a realm that does not necessarily mean being
in a body?
A: Close. But 4th density is partially physical. Does not consume
Q: (A) This is contradictory to what we are doing.
(L) Why write a
book or do anything? There is no point. We should just sit around,
do nothing but contemplate our navels and do nothing.
(F) Why do you
(L) Because doing anything at all constitutes wanting,
needing, possessing, having, and so on.
(F) Of course, because this
is an STS realm.
(L) So, therefore, we should do nothing. We should
contemplate our navels and try to get out of it and to heck with
(F) I disagree.
(L) Otherwise, it is contradictory.
If you try to help anyone else, or do for anyone else, you are
desiring to help them. Therefore, you are desiring to change
(F) Well, sure, but this is an STS realm.
(L) Anyway, I
would like to know who and what this Marcia Schafer is channelling.
She seems to be channelling several sources, or claims to be. Could
you tell me who and what?
A: Not yet, because this issue is not yet resolved. You are confused
you seem to think you must be STO to be an STO candidate. You are
STS, and you simply cannot be otherwise, until you either
reincarnate or transform at realm border crossing.
Q: Alright, I got that.
A: But, did Ark?
Q: We are here, we are what we are, and until the realm border
comes, we can’t be anything else.
(F) So, don’t worry about being
STS. That is what we all are. As long as we eat food, that’s what we
are. It’s that simple. You can be moving toward STO, but you aren’t
there yet, and there is nothing wrong with that.
(A) We ask a
question, and you answer this question, and this answer can be
interpreted in different ways. I am not sure which way this answer
was meant. The answer was: if you are STS, the answer does not fit.
I mean, sitting and doing nothing. If you are STS that does not fit.
But, if you do exactly that, you will reincarnate in an STO realm
where such an energy does fit. There are several interpretations.
One is that, if we do exactly that, we reincarnate in an STO realm
where the energy does fit, and it would be just the right thing to
do, because we WANT to be in an STO realm. So, one sure way to go to
an STO realm is to sit under the tree and do nothing and contemplate
your navel, but not having too much fun... eat nothing, desire
nothing... typical Zen. There is another possible interpretation: if
you would do exactly that, then you would reincarnate in an STO
realm where such energy does fit, but there may be other STO realms
that do NOT consist of such energies. So, maybe there is a way to
another way to another STO realm, to which this energy does NOT go,
but other ways would go.
(L) And, there is another problem here: the
very fact that one would do this is DESIRING to go to an STO realm!
Which precludes the going. If you desire to be STO, you are screwed!
(A) Not being, that is what some teachers teach. Nirvana. Is this
something that is supposed to be the only way, and is it something
that we are being encouraged to follow because it is no desire, no
anything. Or, are there different STO realms?
A: Not different realms, as such, but different ways of getting
respective developments have led you to where you are.
Alright. I want to get a couple of quick questions in about these
A: The books? Consider them to be trolling bits and pieces of info
Q: One thing she says here: “Reptilian species are a common visitor,
for me. They always wear a uniform... their civilization emphasizes
educational training...” She also writes that she read a book by
gentleman who described his experiences with creatures that was
similar,” though his encounters were not with Reptoids. She judges
guy’s account to be authentic based on her own experiences, and sort
of draws a
connection between this other group of aliens and her own group
based on the
name similarity. She then says that “this is a very loving society,
and I do
not believe that the name mix-up, if there was one, would be due to
humor.” The conclusion she draws by making the comparison, based on
the name is that the Reptoids are a “loving society.’ She says here
that “the Grays have always regarded her with friendliness and
treated her well.”
Here she says: “We are now having a lot of
contact with Andromedans. I keep seeing a very human looking being
resembling us a bit when I try to remember their image. They are
very scientifically advanced. Many people who have a finely
developed scientific or medical intellect have ties to this
planetary civilization. I say this, because when I meet these folks,
I am telepathed about their civilization. The Andromedans have a
strong presence...” Well, I guess she isn’t aware that the Andromedans are most likely the invention of someone else’s wild
imagination after borrowing a huge chunk of our text files!
Wolves do well when they present in sheep’s’ clothing.
Q: Aside from most of the absurdities in this book, there was one
thing that did disturb me: On March 19, 1997, she says that she had
a major abduction. She remarks that “I recall being present at a
meeting with hundreds of other humans. In retrospect, this bothers
me. We were told that we were being tested to see how well we could
recall specific training we had been given over our lifetimes to
work their technology. Each of us had a partner and we were assigned
to activate small 3 seater spacecraft. I don’t know what the other
people were told, but I do recall what happened to me. They had a
lot of information and it was given in pieces. I was informed that I
would no longer be allowed to dismiss or repress my work with others
not of this planet. They said that the time had come, and I must
have complete recall. They showed me a life review. They revealed
all the visits and interactions I had in this lifetime. As they were
about to start this, I recall arguing heatedly with them. In fact, I
remember saying “No f__ing way! I’m not going through this. In
retrospect, I find this kind of funny in a juvenile type of way,
that I swore at them. I received back the telepathic response:
‘Way!’ In other words, I had no choice and this was going to happen.
Generally my wishes were respected in things of this matter. But,
not now; they said it was ‘time’ and I was being brought into ‘full
activation’ in accordance with schedule, whatever that means.”
It just so happens that this event occurred at about the same time
of the major UFO sightings out in Phoenix, and, if I remember
correctly, you commented at the time that things were really getting
ready to heat up, though we were unaware of these sightings then,
being so busy with travelling back and forth to Gainesville. You did
indicate that this had something to do with the fact that Ark and I
were together, finally, and the beginning stages of some grand
destiny were falling into place.
[We had a session on the night of the 15th, and I asked the question
about what had made me so violently sick the previous night, and for
several nights previous to this, I had awakened startled and
fighting, feeling presences in the room and things touching me.
Also, on the night of this session, the spider descended on the
table in the middle of asking our questions about protons.] Is there
any relationship between what was occurring with this Marcia
Schafer, and what was occurring with us?
A: Well, best to consider this book, and the author, as an
things read and things imagined.
Q: (A) There is something funny. Before, they said that they can’t
disclose who is this woman channelling.
(L) No, they didn’t want to
talk about the book because of the other issue. Now, Olga Kharatidi
has some interesting experiences in a physics lab in Novosibirtsk,
Russia, so she claims. She claims to have had some other interesting
experiences with some shamans up in the Altai Mountains. Then, I
later read that there was archaeological evidence that the Altai
Mountains had traces of civilization that were dated back 300,000
My question is: are the Altai Mountains the magnetic meridian you
us to when you were talking about Novosibirtsk and Irkutsk, and did
anything to do with the archaeological discoveries that were made
there at about the time she was having here shamanic experiences....
A: This is a good lead for you.
Q: Yes, this book has a quite different flavor from the others.
Is this story she tells about this Nuclear Physics Laboratory in
Novosibirtsk a true story?
A: Pretty close.
Has she disguised the names and specific place?
Q: (A) Was it in Novosibirtsk?
Q: (A) Was it the Institute of Nuclear Physics?
A: Name close, but there are 12 major facilities there.
Q: One of the things she did: they had her go into a tube, the
interior of which was polished like a mirror, and it was in this
tube that all of the visionary and hearing of voices stuff happened.
It is sort of on the line of the psychomantium, with one exception,
she wore earphones that blocked out all sound. My thought was, would
it be useful or advisable for us to use the earphone and music
Q: Do you still consider the use of the psychomantium to be a
technique to follow?
Q: I have wondered if painting the frame of the mirror black would
Q: I just, for some reason, can’t get motivated to do it. I don’t
A: Too many distractions, such as the “pitter patter of juvenile
Q: There is not a whole lot I can do about that! I have here Carla
Turner’s “Masquerade of Angels,” the story of Ted Rice and all his
experiences. Is the methodology used by Barbara Bartholic in
stripping away screen memories a valid method, or is it possible
that she creates memories that do not exist by her approach?
Q: This idea that came out with Ted Rice was perfectly horrible. He
said he remembered his grandmother being raped by a Reptoid that
pretended to be her dead husband, and that basically, the reptoids
killed his grandmother. He came to see all of his psychic
experiences and everything that happened to him as instituted and
controlled by the Lizards. Is that, in fact, the case? Or, did he
also have some good guys working with him?
Q: Did he, essentially, throw the baby out with the bathwater
because of his work with Bartholic?
Well, there does not seem to be a lot of discernment and
discrimination in that crowd. Everything is either black or white.
Q: (L) There were several dark streaks seen in the sky at the time
of the recent solar eclipse. There has been a great deal of comment
about this at various sites on the internet including some of the
‘hard science’ astronomical ones, yet there is no general consensus
as to what they were. There were also strange lights and objects
seen around the sun, and later, crossing the surface of the moon.
There is also an ongoing discussion about some sort of ‘Incoming
Object’ as though there is an anomalous object in our solar system
that is creating this effect. Now, I realize that you said before
that we ought to watch for something AFTER Comet Lee, the exact
words being ‘ Now, you need to know the composition of this comet...
And any other closely following same. We have alluded to the
increased cometary activity before. Oort, and that which cyclically
disturbs it.’ So, it does seem that what you were alluding to is
transpiring at the present. I mean, ‘closely following’ probably
means close in terms of time, also. And you did say that such comets
as have been disturbed would approach in a ‘scatter pattern,’ which
would mean from any and all directions. Can you comment on these
A: Not yet.
Q: Why? Is there something we should be watching for?
A: Best to keep watching....
Q: Anything in particular we should be watching for?
A: No. Be open to all possibilities.
Are we on the verge of a) an alien invasion; b) a cometary
impact; c) the appearance of a twin sun, a death star in our solar
A: Wait and see.
Q: I don’t want to wait and see!
(A) Wait and see! When it hits us,
we will know!
(L) Let me ask this....
A: What a glorious transition to 4th density STO. With maybe a quick
in 5th just to pick up a few things for the trip!
Q: Are you saying that we are getting ready for the Big Kahuna?
A: Only Don Ho knows for sure.
A: Well, you did say “Kaahuna,” yes?
Okay, you have repeatedly, in the past year, alluded to something
that we are supposed to be watching for, that we are supposed to
‘enjoy the show,’ and all that sort of thing. Now you have made this
remark about 5th density, where 3rd density goes at death. Are you
suggesting that a lot of folks are going to check out?
A: Maybe we were trying to Lighten things up a bit!
Q: That’s all fine and good, but I just want one word here, a clue
about what is coming down in the near future that you are making all
these hints about... just a one word clue?
Q: Now wait a minute! You can’t DO that! What do you mean ‘kaboom?’
I changed my mind, I want two words! One more word!
Q: Okay, a word that applies to us sitting right here....
Q: We KNOW its Florida! What about a word that will give me a clue
about our location?
Q: (A) I guess that means it will be hot here, but safe.
A: Okay. Hot but safe, maybe.
Q: Kaboom and splat? Does that relate to what you said about C____
last year when I asked if she had a plan to fulfill that she was not
attending to at present and you said ‘Fate will intercede,’ When I
asked HOW fate was going to intercede, you said ‘Do you really want
to know?’ So, I said that I just wanted a one word clue, and you
said: ‘CRUNCH.’ Is this what we are talking about here? Can we
connect these dots?
A: Oh no, she is in the mountains. So of course, she is safe!!!
Q: (A) She is safe because she is in the mountains?
A: Humor, people!
Q: So that is a backward clue?
Q: (A) I don’t know for what reason, but I want to write about
disinformation, or lying, by Bearden and misleading by Richard
Hoagland. I want to expose them. I don’t know if it is a good thing,
but the idea that I should do it, provided it is done in a proper
A: The problem with Mr. Hoagland is that he has been lead astray by
Q: (A) He has been lead astray by others, and now he is leading
astray many others himself.
Q: (A) I don’t know why, but somehow I want to prevent this. The
question is: he takes a lot of info and propagates some of the ideas
from Bearden, and which, to me, are evidently wrong. I believe
that he is simply lying; about Maxwell equations, for example; how
have been deceived and how silly they are and how they are in the
question is: assuming that, because it is almost evident to me, that
lying and he knows that he is lying, why is doing that?
Maybe has been paid to do so. Who would benefit from this?
Q: (A) Government, secret government, Lizzies...
A: Uh huh.
Q: (A) The next question is: will I be in trouble...
A: Best to contact him directly, privately.
Q: (A) Him? Bearden or Hoagland?
A: Former. Hoagland is not in control anymore.
Q: What would result from contacting Bearden?
(A) If he is being
paid for lying, what would follow?
A: If you do it right, maybe you will get an insightful response.
Q: (A) A possible insightful response would be persuading me to
publish this. Okay. But, I want to get more info about this Bearden.
My hypothesis is: yes, he is being paid to lie; and he is also not
completely free; nevertheless, he has a certain good will, so he
tries to lie in such a way that...
A: Yes, but few see it.
Q: (A) What positive effect could result from contacting him and
writing about it, supposing it is done in a right way?
A: Tread softly.
Q: (A) I have such a problem: we have this book by Osho. I was
reading this, and this piece tells the following: you should not
look at what others are doing, whether they are lying or whatever,
because you should concentrate on yourself, and the things you
should do. Watching your neighbors just takes your attention from
what you should be doing. So, I don’t know.
(A) Maybe my urge to do
this is a distraction?
A: True. Truth exposes lies for those who need to learn.
Q: I guess it is better to just talk about what is good and right
and true, and spend less time pointing out what others are doing
that are lies. Those who are ready to receive it, will get it. Those
who want to believe Hoagland and Bearden, will do so no matter what
you say because they want to believe lies.
Q: (A) I don’t know what the truth is....
But you will!
Q: (A) Okay, we are done.
(L) And final words, consolation,
advice... I mean, you kind of left us hanging here!
A: Enjoy upcoming events. Good night.
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September 25, 1999
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
Q: And where do you transmit through?
Q: I would like to address some particular issues. Apparently, there
awful lot of speculation on the internet in various places about
various sorts. There was Comet Lee back a few months ago; then the
issue was brought in creating a general panic; now there are other
alarm being raised. The disasters on the planet are being attributed
other things, the passage of Comet Lee through the Solar System.
speculations that asteroids or other cometary type bodies are going
imminent disasters because of their electrical interactions with the
other bodies of the Solar System. The Internet has, essentially,
become a Grand
Forum for Doomsday Prognostications. Site after site is waiting for
strike of the planet by some celestial body. I mean, we just have a
left according to one site! I know that we have dealt with many of
these issues before, but the hysteria among some groups is
increasing, being bred, generated, being transmitted and encouraged
via the Internet. Could you comment please?
A: Normally, we do not “comment “ to a non-inquiry, but let it be
many cling to “doomsday” prophetic calamaties as a means to absolve
personal frustrations with others. I.E. “Just you wait, Henry
Higgins, just you wait!!”
Q: On one site, an indivdual read a part
of the transcripts published on the website, where you had asked for
the different planchette because there was a stone stuck on the old
one with superglue. This individual put a wild interpretation on
this simple request for a new planchette, as though it were some
secret, coded message to her alone! It was, to her, symbolic of the
“melting of the carbon of the planet,” thus leading to the
“devolution” of mankind! I had to explain to everyone that this was
merely a simple request for a different instrument of communication
as the first was was “out of synch.” But, that is neither here nor
there, but, just to make sure: WAS there any hidden meaning in this
request for a different planchette?
A: Obviously, she is a “fruitloop.” But, fruitloops are sweet, if
chemicals and empty calories.
Q: Another of her themes is the devolution of the planet... but we
have discussed that way in the past, so we don’t need to go there.
A: No we do not.
Q: Then, there were further remarks that the Cassiopaeans were
obviously going to use up all our “juice” and then take over our
carcasses! Do you have such plans?
A: What do you think?
Q: Well, you have such a cushy existence as you are, why would you
want to hang out here? I mean, this 3rd density existence is HIGHLY
overrated! And, the particular body I have is pretty useless for
many things at this point anyway! Can’t imagine anyone else wanting
to use it!
A: We serve others.
Q: Are you going to serve them on a platter with mint sauce?
A: Now Laura, really!
Q: Well, that is, of course, the response that we often get to that.
Some folks out there are just bound and determined to disinform the
A: And so it goes...
Q: Now, there IS an awful lot of weird stuff going on! There was the
earthquake in Turkey; there was an earthquake in Taiwan; there were
hurricanes; a fireball in Turkey; strange radar anomalies, as they
call them. In fact, one of these circular things showed up on our
local radar when the tropical storm was heading our way. Could you
tell us what is behind all of these ...
A: Well, first of all, it is true that some heavenly bodies
Solar System, such as some comets, do indeed interract electrically
with the Sun and the planets. This does cause an increase in natural
calamaties, but this is not new.
Q: There is also a theory of Paul La Violette, that there is a wave
that comes from explosions in the galactic core, and that THIS is
what is behind this increased activity.
A: Such waves exist.
Q: Are these waves part of the cataclysmic double catastrophes that
are predicted to be “on the way?”
A: Who says?
Q: Well, Paul La Violette and Vincent Bridges, and Jay Weidner, for
A: You are not capable of predicting such things yet.
Q: (A) We are not able to predict many things. You are able to
predict better than us.
A: Maybe so, but we do so oh so discreetly.
Q: When you gave the information a couple of weeks ago about the
“Kaboom! Splat!” business, I put it on the website and explained
that there was really no way of interpreting it exactly. Of course,
there were the most dire interpretations put upon it by others.
Could you clarify the “Kaboom! Splat!” remark?
A: We also said to “lighten up.”
Q: Are you saying that you were joking?
Q: When you say that we should “lighten up,” that you are referring
to our frequencies?
A: Well, it is important not to worry over that wahich is not
which is trivial in the really big picture. If the surface 3rd
density realm of your locator is soon to be rent asunder, why does
it matter to you, or more to the point, why does it frighten you so?
You are supposed to be moving beyond this 3rd density STS thinking.
Q: What’s the point of even talking to you guys, then?
A: Do you expect to stop talking to us after you transition?
Q: Well, I guess it depends on where I transition to. Are we going
to make the big transition to 5th density...
A: Wherever you go, the communication will be more succinct. Now,
“nothing happens,” how long do you expect to remain in your present
state? Can you remember “35 years ago?” Well??
Q: I am thinking! I was just a kid then. Yes, I can remember.
A: How long “back” does it seem?
Q: Sometimes it seems like forever...
Q: In another way, it seems like yesterday.
Q: It just depends on what mood I am in.
A: Not long, eh?
Q: Well, you are NOT improving my mood! I don’t want to tell people
things like that, that they have to see themselves as only souls and
that the physical body is just a garment to be worn out and tossed
aside. They can’t handle it when they are faced with imminent
possible suffering. They will get hysterical!
A: Maybe they will. And maybe they need to. Maybe they need to learn
something. Nothing lasts forever, and thank goodness for that!
Q: You have talked about space battles and cosmic struggles and
individuals and beings and races of beings coming from one direction
or another to act in this cosmic drama...
A: It is part and parcel of the energy that maintains all existence,
as are you
Q: You also once said that there were “good guys” and “bad guys.”
A: From a chosen perspective.
Q: Does that mean that the “good guys” and “bad guys” CHOOSE to
undertake these roles for the sake of this Cosmic Drama?
Yes, to some extent. It also means that to the fishes and the
et al, “you is de bad guys.” Subjectivity reigns in STS!
you care to name these groups? You have said that there is the Orion
Federation and the Orion Union. The Federation is supposed to be
STO, and the Union is supposed to be STS. Is there also a group
called the “Markab Confederation,” as one person asked?
This stage is so huge that there is ever “group” you can imagine!
you imagine them, they are there.
Q: You hinted at one point that we would come in contact with, or
interact with, 4th density STO beings who would help us in some way.
A: Yes, are you getting impatient?
Q: Well... yes.
A: Then you should know this: you will not get in, or come into
them until things are just about to get very “interesting.” Whenever
that may be.
Q: Well, I want to get back to all this stuff going on in the Solar
System. I am curious about all these things flying about. Asteroids,
comets, fireballs, meteors, and things that seem like a cross
between meteors and spaceships; all being reported with great
regularity recently. All kinds of activity going on. There has also
been comment about the star Eta Carinae that has become very active
in a very unusual way. Is this some sort of harbinger of something?
A: Harbingers unite mental awareness.
I see! Is Eta Carinae going to blow, as in go “supernova?”
A: It will, but when is the question.
Is there anything more you can tell us about these oncoming
comets? There were objects seen flying into the Sun; there is a lot
of excessive activity of the Sun lately, which is cyclical, but
extremely high even considering the normal cycle. What about this
possible Twin Sun business?
A: There is much going on, yes. But it is cyclical. And will not
spell it out
for you. The past, if carefully and accurately charted, holds all
the answers for you. How do you think the prophets do it?
Q: Well now, Vincent Bridges and Jay Weidner and their book about
the cyclic cross of Hendaye, talks about the cycles of the past and
future and the ages of the world and so forth. They say that
Fulcanelli added a chapter to the second edition of his book that
was published in 1957, and that this chapter was about the Cyclic
Cross at Hendaye. This chapter was supposed to give the whole secret
away. He says that this cross represents a double cross, a double
disaster, and that it says in code that “life is preserved in a
single space” at the time of this double disaster. Could you
interpret for us Fulcanelli’s intention in placing this addenda to
this book at that particular period of time?
A: No need.
A: You have been best at uncovering your own clues.
Q: I almost had the feeling that the reason this chapter was added
in 1957, so synchronous with certain crucial events in my life at
that time, was that it was a message to me personally! That sounds
crazy. Could it be possible?
A: If you wish to perceive it as such.
Q: There could be many explanations. Now, we have a correspondent
who wrote and asked a question. He said that he noticed there was
promotion of Hoagland’s idea about the 19.5 degree tetrahedral
configuration at one point, and then another idea regarding the
parallelogram business involving an 18 degree mark in another
section. So, what is the difference between the 19.5 degree comments
of Hoagland, and the 18 degree point of interest that you brought
up? Are we talking about two different things here?
A: Well, if you do the math, you see that 18 degrees fits nicely
Maybe 19.5 is due to crustal slippages in some”land mark” event?!
Q: (A) But, in geometry, this 19.5 degrees is what you get when you try
to put a tetrahedron into a sphere. That’s how Hoagland got it, not
because of observation.
A: Okay, that is good, too.
Q: How come you didn’t know that?
A: We pointed it out in the first place.
Q: Is that why you put “landmark” in quotes? That 19.5 is where it
It is the mark of the point of contact. Is that it?
A: Clues, my dear, clues, and the eternal need not to abridge free
Q: But, if these tetrahedrons fit in a sphere, and they touch the
sphere at 19.5 degrees, how do they relate to this effect that you
have said manifests at 18 degrees?
A: Does 1.5 fit into 90? Does 90 fit into 180? Does 180 fit into
yourself, “what does it mean?”
Q: We don’t know.
(A) The point is that the angle Hoagland is
talking about is not 19.5, it is an approximation of point
something, something, something.... So, if it is just 19.5, that’s
the difference between 19.5 and 18 - that is 1.5, which, in this
case, is not exactly 1.5, it’s one point something which does not
fit into anything that we know.
Q: (A) Yes. 360 degrees. Is the circumference important?
A: It is important.
Q: (A) So, we can compute these two circumferences, and these will
some number, and this number will fit again into one of these
and the point is that it should fit so that there is an integer
Q: (A) But, there will then be many more angles. There will be not
only 18 and 19.5...
A: Yes. All Hoagland has done is highlight a point at which magnetic
converge using the tetrahedron model.
Q: If they converge at that point...
A: But the question is how does the tetrahedron model relate to
Q: How does the tetrahedron model relate to trans-dimensional space?
A: A key which unlocks the door.
Q: Speaking of a key that unlocks a door: there is some information
going around that a gigantic computer has been installed inside the
earth that was put there by a Reptilian race, and that the recovery
of this thing is one of the reasons for the current or upcoming
“invasion” by them. Does this tetrahedron configuration in the earth
relate to some giant alien computer?
Is there a giant alien computer buried in the Earth?
Not likely that.
Q: Back to the tetrahedron. How is it a key to trans-dimensional
space? Does one activate it in some way? Do you place machinery of
some sort at these points?
A: No. Magnetism.
Are you supposed to generate magnetism, or is it natural
Q: Are you supposed to do anything to it or with it?
Q: Is it useful to do something with it?
A: Can be.
Q: In what sense?
Traveling between dimensions.
Q: Is anybody at the present time utilizing it in this way?
A: Not terran STS 3rd density.
Q: That implies that 4th density STS IS doing this. Could one
construct a scale model of a tetrahedron in a sphere, magnetize it,
and open portals?
Q: Would it require a lot of electrical current?
Q: Is there anyway to travel between dimensions, in space time, or
whatever, utilizing very little power, as such?
A: Off the point we told you before that all spheres of cosmic
Q: Going in a slightly different direction. I have been thinking
about the nature of our reality, and I have been thinking that
underneath it, or at the base of it, there is a 4th density reality
similar to the Kaluza-Klein theory. Am I correct so far? Am I going
Q: Okay. And, beneath this 4th density reality, there is an etheric
reality; and the etheric reality consists of 5th density. Okay?
Beneath the 5th density reality, there is the 6th density reality
which I am trying to describe in terms of geometry. That geometry is
the underlying, essential thing about ideas, natures or aspects of
concepts that come into being in our material world; that geometry
is the essential nature of things. Am I getting there? But, beyond
this geometry, from what does the geometry emanate? I know you are
going to say something like “The One,” or “Seventh Density,” but I
would really like to have a concept because I can’t get beyond this.
Even if it is inadequate, from what does geometry, which expresses as
A: Not in sync.
Q: What will get me “in synch?”
A: No “beneaths.”
Q: Okay. Since there are no “beneaths,” what term would be a
Q: What is around this geometry?
A: For you to pursue.
Q: Can you give me a hint here?
A: We just did.
Q: Would it be safe to say that it is “nested?”
A: No, no, no. You still think in terms of a limited domain. When
out into space there is no above, below, up, down, left, right,
There is only around. In a spherical sense.
Q: Every point is the center?
Q: Back to the tetrahedron, these points where this tetrahedron
touches this sphere, and these are lines of magnetic convergence;
how do these lines of magnetic convergence appear on this sphere; do
they radiate out from the convergence points like spider webs? Or do
they converge from the center to the outside of the sphere? Are they
laid on the sphere like the grid of longitude and latitude?
Closer to latter.
Q: So, when you say they are lines of convergence, does that mean
that a latitude line and longitude line, so to speak, converge at
A: Think multi-dimensionally. No flat paper please.
Q: Okay, let’s go in another direction now and try to get these
questions covered. I would like to ask what are all of these
spherical configurations that are showing up on radars all over the
place in recent times? It is quite a scandal that it is happening so
repeatedly and nobody is explaining it.
A: Stay tuned for more. And for now, goodnight.
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