July 8, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, SV, Tom and Cherie.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us?
Q: (L) What does TQV mean?
A: Was interrupted.
[We were using a new table which required
adjustments. We finally gave up and got out the old table.]
Q: (L) Okay, what is your name, please.
Q: (L) And, where are you from?
Q: (L) As you can see, we are doing the board this evening.
Q: (L) We think it is a little more convivial. When Freddie is
zonked out, he
Q: (L) Okay, we have a number of questions. Is it alright to start
Q: (L) Is there a Jewish conspiracy to subjugate the world?
A: Not Jewish, we have told of this extensively before, curious that
need review so soon!
Q: (L) The only reason I ask this question is because JW was here
for a long time today and [Laughter and groans] I whipped out my
Dachau memorial book and laid it in his lap and we got into the
thing, and he is just so convinced that there is a Jewish conspiracy
to dominate and rule the world that I just thought I would throw the
question out to see what further comments might be made about it
other than the obvious. Thank you so much for that response. Next
In reading about crop circles; I know that we have been told that
they come from sixth density, but I would like to know the exact
mode or mechanism by which they are made. Is it like electromagnetic
imprinting, is it like a whirlwind. Can you tell us a little bit
about how they are actually physically created?
A: Field transfer.
Q: (L) What kind of field?
Q: (L) Are they transferred directly from sixth density to third
Q: (L) Are they manifested by an object that has come into third
density, such as a craft of some sort?
Q: (L) Can you give us a clue here?
A: We can give “clue.”
Q: (L) Okay, what is the clue?
A: See Hoagland.
Q: (L) What does Hoagland say?
(T) He says that basically what we
see in this density is a 3rd dimension reflection of 4th dimension
and that it can be seen mathematically by looking at the cloud
patterns on the different planets. If there was not another
dimension above us, circular would be circular and the circular
motion of the clouds would be maintained, but if it is a transfer
from fourth density to third density, when you are looking at a
fourth density object, what the third density version of it would
look like would show a hexagonal figure with angles to it, and that
the photographs from the Voyager Probe that show that the cloud
patterns from the North and South poles of most of the planets are
not circular, they are hexagonal.
(L) Okay, in sixth density, what
are crop circles?
Q: (L) Who is thinking these thoughts?
A: Yours truly.
Q: (L) Okay, if they are thoughts...
(J) They are messages so they
could be thoughts before they are messages.
(T) Well, they have
described sixth density as pure energy, therefore there is nothing
physical in sixth density to reflect back through the densities. So
the only thing that can come from there to here is thought. Because,
that is all there is there.
(L) So, it is a field transfer of
(T) So, when sixth density thinks and they pass that down,
most likely skipping fifth density to fourth density, and then
stepping down from fourth to third, we end up with a three
dimensional crop circle. But what does a crop circle look like in
A: “Look” is not point.
Q: (L) What is the point?
A: You need visual stimuli in order to remember.
Q: (L) Oh!
(J) What did it say, you need visual... ?
(L) So, in
these are thoughts designed to make us remember by looking at them?
A: Yours is a physical dependent existence.
Q: (J) Yes!
(L) Okay, if we made diagrams of the crop circles, and
put them up
on the wall and looked at them or meditated on them, would they do
anything to our brains, our electromagnetic patterns, or would they
bring up information from within for us?
A: Not likely.
Q: (L) Well, what are we supposed to do with them?
A: Nothing in particular.
Q: (L) Are they doing something to us?
(T) I had a feeling it was
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) Okay. We have been talking a bit about the maze on the floor
of Chartres Cathedral...
A: Your media resists, why? Suggest discussion.
Q: (L) The media resists crop circles and I know this is so because
when I went
to the Library to research them, there was not a single, solitary
book, magazine or article on the subject of crop circles in the
entire county system.
(J) There wasn’t anything in Barnes and Noble
(L) Now, the two books on the subject I do have, I had to
order special. Why would the media resist crop circles?
same reason they resist everything else.
(F) But, they don’t resist
everything else as much as crop circles.
(T) Are we looking at this
from the wrong perspective? They’re not resisting or overlooking
them any more than anybody else does. We were just told that crop
circles themselves were not important to us.
(F) I don’t think that
is what they meant.
(L) I said what are we supposed to DO with them,
and they said nothing in particular.
(F) And then you asked if they
were going to have any effect on us and they said “Wait and see.”
(T) Could this be because no one is supposed to pay any attention to
them? Is this part of it. Maybe we are looking for something that is
not there by saying “Oh, the media does not recognize them and do a
bunch of stories about them and alert everybody to them. Maybe they
are not supposed to. Maybe the circles are supposed to work on their
own without major attention.
(F) I don’t think so.
(L) Here is
something I got of the net recently. “To some people, the circles
which began appearing about a decade ago represent the handiwork of
extraterrestrial invaders or crafty tradesmen bent on mischief after
an evening at the pub, or even hordes of graduate students driven by
mad professors. To others, the circles suggest the action of
microwave generated ball lightening, numerous whirlwinds or some
other peculiar atmospheric phenomena. These scenarios apparently
suffered a severe blow late last summer when two elderly landscape
painters, David and Doug admitted to creating many of the giant,
circular wheat-field patterns that cropped up over the last decade in
southern England. The chuckling hoaxers proudly displayed the wooden
planks, ball of string, and primitive sighting device they claimed
they had used to construct the circles. But this newspaper
orchestrated, widely publicized admission didn’t settle the whole
mystery. Gerald Hawkins, a retired astronomer who now divides his
time between an apartment in Washington and a farm in Woodville,
felt compelled to write last September to Dave and Doug, asking how
they managed to discover and incorporate a number of ingenious,
previously unknown, geometric theorems of a type that appear in
antique textbooks, into their “artwork” in the crops. He concluded
his letter as follows: “The media did not give you credit for the
unusual cleverness behind the designs and the patterns.” And then he
says that he is finding ratios of small whole numbers that precisely
match the ratios defining diatomic scale. These ratios produce the
eight tones of an octave in the musical scale corresponding to the
keys on the piano. That was surprise number one, he said. He began
looking for geometrical relationships among the circles, rings and
lines and then he found that measurements reveal that the ratio of
the diameter of the large circles is drawn so that it passes through
the centers of the three original circles to the diameter of one of
the original circles, and is close to 4 to 3. What he discovered
were geometric relationships which simply are not taught anymore in
the modern math. And yet, essentially he says that these guys that
came forward and claimed that they did it could not possibly have
(F) Well, the thing that is so strange to me is that since
1992 there hasn’t been any reporting in the American media about
this phenomenon at all.
(Laura to Tom) Is there any way you could
check that? [Tom is a reporter with a major newspaper.]
(L) You have? What have you found?
(TF) There’s a lot.
(L) What is it and what does it say? When?
(TF) I didn’t notice the
dates. I didn’t notice if there was any turned out after 1992...
(TF) I liked my photo so much I had someone check it
One of the librarians. Some things you call up you get material that
thick... this is only this thick. [Indicates file thickness large to
So, there is something?
(TF) But I don’t know what years any of it
(F) Well, it is not after 1992, I can assure you because I have
been keeping very close track.
(TF) I know it hasn’t been in the
news. I don’t remember seeing anything in the news for several
(F) It hasn’t been here, but it has been in Britain.
(F) It is very strange when we are hooked up to the cable
news channels that there has been a television black-out on it here.
The other thing is Linda Howe showed the new ones from 1994 and they
are more spectacular than any that have appeared. Now, if these
artists are still going around doing this...
(T) This is strange,
Michael made me copies of Cornet’s lecture and Linda Howe’s lecture.
When I played the tapes, the Cornet tape was fine. Mike’s equipment
is good. But the Linda Howe lecture didn’t record. I have two hours
of black with flashes of light crisscrossing the tape. I called Mike
and told him and he said, oh boy, I did it late at night and must
have hit the wrong switch.
(L) Well, I hate to get paranoid, but, do
you suppose this Dave and Doug were set up to make this claim so
that the media would have an answer they could tout and then just
drop the whole thing? If so, why?
(F) Because it’s too frightening.
I remember in 1991 and 1992 this thing was heating up and heating
(TF) That’s true.
(F) It was unusual because this type of
subject matter is usually not attended by the mainstream media to
any great extent. When there is a big UFO wave there might be a
little blurb about strange lights reported by various people. This
subject was actually focused upon by all of the major networks, it
was on all of the major wire services, it was everywhere. All of a
sudden, these two drunken artists appeared and they all said: “Oh!
That’s it! Okay, forget about it.” That was so strange because my
impression of journalists has always been, at least it used to be,
that they want to dig up the truth, and here, mere placebo, surface
type explanations that don’t explain anything and which are not
adequate, suddenly caused them to lose interest. It would be like
Watergate: “Oh, the 18 minute gap... well, Mary what’s-her-name
stepped on the pedal. Oh, okay, no problem!” Obviously that didn’t
happen! This just didn’t make logical sense for those of us who had
looked at the crop circles, and even people who don’t follow this
type of subject matter closely, who I have talked to, people who
brush off the subject of UFOs, have told me that this explanation
just doesn’t add up! These two guys did all of this under the noses
of thousands of researchers who were trying like the dickens to see
anything that happened in the middle of the night - in the middle of
this, a simple, ridiculous if you get right down to it, explanation
is offered and the whole subject is brushed off?!
(J) And, the
explanation would only work if the crop circles were within their
physical reach logistically speaking.
(F) Well, not only that, if
you have ever calculated what is involved, they started in 1973 with
just a handful throughout the summer and by 1992 it was hundreds all
over the planet. These guys would have to be working non-stop, 24
hours a day, flying all around the globe... [laughter] ...and I
thought, how can they accept this brush-off explanation? The other
thing is, you would expect, obviously if that were the true
explanation, as crazy as it seems, if they could actually,
physically do this all by themselves, which is physically and
mathematically impossible, but never mind that; it has happened
since then. If these two guys are pulling a hoax and nobody is going
to pay any more attention, why would they bother to continue to do
it each and every summer since that time. Wouldn’t somebody catch
them by now? There are just a hundred arguments against this
explanation that come to mind. Yet, in this country it is completely
ignored. My own theory is that it is too sensitive an issue. Here is
something that can be photographed.
(L) It proves that there is
somebody else out there.
(F) It doesn’t prove it...
something else going on...
(F) I don’t think it proves it, but it
makes it very hard to ignore.
As I have stated before, my father was a physicist and he was also a
very brilliant man... when we would see on television... I remember
one night in
particular, we saw a very comprehensive segment on crop circles, and
got angry when I pointed out to him that this phenomenon seemed
awfully intense, widespread and so on. He tried to brush it off:
“Oh, I think
it is a fad,” were the words he used. This is a scientist!
headfirst into the deepest river in the world! Denial.
(F) Like a
whirlwind is going to form a pattern like an intricate geometric
figure? Come on! Sure! He grasped that whirlwind theory and when I
pointed out to him that this was not logical, he got angry which I
perceived as fear. Being very defensive because it stabbed into the
heart of his whole life’s work.
(L) That right there is the answer,
(L) It stabs into the heart of
(F) In this country somebody does not want this to be
reported on because you can’t brush it off. You can brush off
UFOs... well, not if you really study the issue, but if you don’t
pay too much attention to it you can brush it off...
there is no physical evidence. You have evidence with crop circles.
They are there. You can see them.
(L) And, they are astonishing!
Just to look at them is astonishing!
(F) Any of them, really, except
for the very simplest ones, I mean, just using pure, simple logic,
who would have the time, the energy, the expertise to do these
(J) And to do it in the dark, without any light...
in just short periods of time! It just doesn’t make sense. Just
imagine, Mr. French, it is your assignment to go out into the wheat
fields of England, in the dark and to make this intricate figure...
(TF) I would ask them to do it for me and show me how they did it!
(Susan) I don’t know if it was Sightings or Encounters,
but one time they had a segment on crop circles in Mexico, and they
even appear on rock cliffs...
(F) Yes, and it’s happening in Puerto
Rico. And, the alleged report on this one was that Army type
vehicles came in and destroyed it so people couldn’t see it. Which
leads me to believe, with my suspicious mind, that somebody doesn’t
want this stuff going on, for whatever reason.
(L) Yes, what are you
going to do with a population that suddenly asks you: “Well, you’re
in charge; what is this? What’s going on?” And, you can’t answer
them. You have lost credibility as the authority.
(F) And, none of
the answers you can come up with are safe. It offends the church
because they can’t explain it. It offends the scientific community
because they can’t explain it.
(L) Yes, the church calls everything
they can’t explain “The Work of the Devil.”
(T) Which one?
think we have come up with an answer. Are we anywhere on the right
Q: (L) Anything further you would like to add to what we have said?
Q: (L) Well, we have really kind of worn out the subject at this
on to the labyrinth at Chartres Cathedral, we have the idea to
reproduce this and use it.
(J) Is this in the same line as the
concept of the spiral and spinning?
Q: (L) Which figure would be the most advantageous to use, the
spiral, the cho
ku rei or the labyrinth?
A: You did not ask preliminaries.
Q: (L) What is the source of this labyrinth?
Q: (L) What preliminaries do you want? Who built it?
Q: (L) What preliminaries do you want?
A: We would ask the same of you.
Q: (J) Great!
(L) What we want to know about this particular figure
is if it is
beneficial to walk, to use...
A: Okay, now we are on the right track! Up to you to discover.
Q: (L) So, you are not going to give us anything on the spiral, we
have to play
A: And experiment, that is one method for learning.
Q: (T) Well, it wasn’t a real good question as to whether or not I
was going to
do anything with it as a group, I was already going to do something
(L) Well, then they are not going to tell us anything if
that is already in the works.
(T) I knew it as soon as I picked up
the book, I said “We’ve got to do this. This is not a choice here,
this is something we’ve got to do.”
(L) Okay, is there any
information you can give us about this figure. What does it mean?
[Displays written glyph given to Jan by Ken Eagle Feather.]
A: Creator implies importance.
Q: (L) So, the person who drew this implied importance?
Q: (L) Is it, in fact, important or significant?
Q: (T) What do the symbols mean?
(L) Well, the sideways figure eight
is the symbol for eternity, this is just a triangle...
(J) Is it an
(T) Is it a formula?
A: One question at a time.
Q: (L) Is it a formula?
A: The creation is, because it was created.
Q: (T) What does the triangle symbolize?
A: You are not grasping message.
Q: (J) I guess not.
(L) Well, I got that the guy who drew it wanted
it to be seen as mysterious and wanted to imply that there was
something important and mysterious about it when, in fact, it is
just a meaningless drawing?
Q: (T) Okay, so it has no meaning whatsoever?
Q: (L) It has meaning, the meaning the person who drew it implied
into it. In terms of being a mathematical formula, I can tell you
right now that it is not that.
A: Ask creator for meaning.
Q: (T) So, only the person who drew it knows what it means.
Because he is the one who drew it. Without the meaning he gave it,
it has none.
Q: (L) Next question. Are you still with us?
A: As always.
Q: (L) Thank you. There is a phenomenon going on today where a lot
of people have accused their parents of childhood abuse which is
later proven to be false, and it causes a lot of problems. This has
led to a lot of problems about the practice of hypnosis...
A: Preconceived notions by biased therapists, i.e. the improperly
used power of
Q: (L) This has led to much speculation that all UFO abduction
false memories, and that hypnosis, itself, in general is a useless
or flawed technique. Is there any possibility that many of the
people who think that they have been abducted by aliens are merely
responding to the suggestions of the therapists?
A: Two concepts at once.
Q: (L) Is there any possibility that certain people think they have
abducted and they have not?
Q: (L) Is it possible for a therapist to suggest these ideas into
through hypnosis and have them...
Q: (T) It can work the other way around, too.
(L) What do you mean?
A: What do you mean?
Q: (T) You asked if some people who think they have been abducted
abused and they said “yes.”
(L) No, that’s not what I asked.
What did you ask.
(L) I asked if some people thought they had been
abducted who had not been abducted, or if some people thought they
had been abducted and the idea had been planted in their mind by the
therapist. And, they said “yes.”
(T) Okay, have some people who
thought they have been abused not been abused. The same question
only using the word abused, instead of abducted?
A: Already answered yes.
Q: (L) But, the next question is: Are there some people who have
who think they have been abused?
A: All combinations exist.
Q: (L) Is there any...
(T) It depends on the therapist and what the
believes as to the results of the therapy...
(J) Yeah, are relying
A: No. Depends upon actions of therapist, not beliefs.
Q: (L) Is there any particular personality type that is more likely
to be abducted than another?
A: Ridiculously open question.
Q: (L) Well, I didn’t want to lead!
(J) We have an anniversary
Yeah, I know. The sixteenth.
(J) No, I mean OUR anniversary, Terry’s
(J) Your anniversary is on the 16th and ours is on the 17th.
Q: (L) What do you mean, “same?”
(J) Well, you would have started on
the evening of the 16th but worked into the early hours of the 17th.
Q: (J) Good grasp of Time!
(L) Okay, back to the question. What I
want to know is; in all of the articles I have been reading about
abduction, there are many that claim that persons who experience
abduction are of such and such a personality type, i.e. fantasy
prone. Well, I am definitely not a fantasy prone personality and I
don’t think the others here are either.
A: What is a “personality type?”
Q: (L) Well, I don’t really think there is such a thing if you want
to get down to it.
(T) Let’s just say that the personality types are
something developed by individual researchers to pigeonhole people
for statistical analysis. It really has nothing to do with abduction
(J) Or anything else.
A: Good one, Terry!
Q: (L) I was talking to my cousin the other night when I was up in
the boondocks, and we were talking about abductions and UFOs and
space/time and so forth. He made the remark that he thought that it
was very likely that there was another universe where this one
“ends” in which the constant of light was the “minimum.” Is this a
valid or usable concept?
A: Too simplified.
Q: (T) What did they tell us before about the speed of light? That
the speed of light is a “time” measurement and time only exists in
our illusion, therefore there is no speed of light.
(L) So, there
would be a state where the constant was not a “speed” but just what
is. There is no speed of light because there is no time.
A: All imaginable combinations exist because they are imagined!
Q: (J) I like that.
(L) Okay, on December 9, 1965, there was a
reported UFO crash at Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. This was purported by
the military to be a crash of a Soviet spy satellite. There is a lot
of stuff that has gone around about this and it was even portrayed
on “X-Files.” Was the event that occurred on December 9, 1965, in
Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, a crash of a UFO?
A: Define please “UFO?”
Q: (L) A UFO as in “Alien space craft.”
Q: (L) It was not a Soviet spy satellite?
Q: (L) Now, you say “close.” What, specifically, was it?
A: We have taught you new methods of imaging, we are patiently
waiting for you
to use them!
Q: (L) What do you mean “new methods of imaging?”
(T) To talk about
don’t know enough about it... that’s all we know.
(T) Well, working
with what we know about it we could probably talk it out and figure
out what it was.
A: Density 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, now, how does the concept of “craft”
Q: (L) Was it a projection? A trans-dimensional atomically
Q: (L) Piloted by, I would assume, the Grays?
(T) Not necessarily.
A: ! If you prefer.
Q: (T) Well, if it was a craft as they have been telling us, brought
in from 4th
density, it would be the Lizards or someone else of the other side,
A: The point is the mode of transfer.
Q: (L) Okay, so it may be that it didn’t crash there, it was... did
happen and something came through the dimensional curtain? Is that
(T) Well, it didn’t crash, it landed! Or materialized, or became
(L) I think NORAD tracked it.
(J) It was seen as a fireball.
Q: (T) Okay, this is just a theory, a thought, just something I am
throwing out here, nothing positive... the military was “Johnny on
the spot.” They made a big production of hauling it out of there and
threatening everyone. What if it was put there, or sent here for
them? No that it crashed, but it was something being sent from there
to there and the Uncle came and picked it up?
Q: (L) The point is the “mode of transfer.”
(T) The point is that it
was “cross density.”
(J) Well, we know that they all are “cross
(T) No, not all of them, some of them come from this
(L) The point is the “mode of transfer.” What are they
trying to say?
(T) It was materialized here from 4th density. It
didn’t fly here.
(L) Okay, it was not a UFO because it never “flew.”
(T) The trail that was seen coming in was it materilizing into the
(L) Actually, it was materializing in the same spot, the
(T) There was a visible path left...
(J) I think
we should stop using the term “UFO.”
A: Isn’t this fun?!
Q: [Laughter and groans] (L) Okay, what is the point?
(T) The point
is the “mode of transport.”
(L) Okay, it was projected through the
dimensional curtain; it was a time traveler...
A: The point is why look for “nuts and bolts.” Do you want to join
Gene and his
Q: (L) So, in other words... are you saying that something happened
and the military went in and DIDN’T get anything?
Q: (T) Okay, we are trying to figure out the “mode of transport” and
why it was significant.
(L) Was this something that the military
knew was going to happen at that place and that time?
A: Maybe, but still not issue behind this query.
Q: (L) Well, what is the issue? I just wanted to know if the blasted
thing was a UFO or a spy satellite? Was it not a crash?
(T) It was
REPORTED as a crash, but we don’t know if it crashed or landed.
We don’t know what really happened.
(L) Was it a crash of a craft?
A: What defines “crash.”
Q: (L) Did it do something it didn’t want to do? [Laughter] A crash
is when you go bongo-zongo without intending to.
A: Do thought forms crash?
Q: (L) I guess not.
(J) Okay! It was a thought form; it came through
the density and yet they hauled something away on a truck. What did
they haul away on a truck? Or, did they haul away something?
Q: (L) What did they haul away?
(Susan) Thoughtform! [Laughter]
A: Sorry! 64,000 dollar question!
Q: (L) I hate it when they do that!
(T) What did they haul away.
They hauled away an object...
A: How do you learn if we don’t?
Q: (J) What?
A: Do “that!”
Q: (J) I guess the point is that we don’t really know what the
(L) We don’t know if they hauled anything away at all. It is all
(T) The only thing known is that on December 9,
the residents of Kecksburg, PA saw something come down, or thought
they saw something come down...
(J) A light come down...
saw the military come in...
(J) And they saw something come out...
(T) And they saw the military take something away...
(J) So, what
does that tell you?
(T) There are residents who said they saw a
large, metallic object in the woods, and we only know what they said
they saw... Most of the town and the police department and the fire
department did see the military come in because they commandeered
the fire department...
Okay, here’s what we know: “The case in question involves the
alleged crash of the so-called ‘Kecksburg UFO’ recently featured in
magazines and even re-enacted on television. The ‘acorn’ shaped
object supposedly fell to the ground in Western Pennsylvania on
December 9, 1965. As the story goes, Air Force search teams cordoned
off the wooded area and hauled a large object away. It was later
reportedly seen at the Wright Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton,
Ohio...” How come everything goes to Wright-Pat, for God’s sake!
What a boring place! “One suggested identity for the mysterious
intruder was the Soviet Cosmos 96 satellite which actually did fall
back into the atmosphere that day. But, according to Air Force
spokesmen, that craft had plummeted 12 hours earlier over another
part of the planet. It was a shame, of course, because Cosmos 96
would have been a wonderful UFO... In May of 1991 the Pittsburg
Press decided to verify the Air Force claims on its own. Toward that
end, reporters obtained official space tracking data from the
archives of NORAD at Cheyenne Mountain. The decades old data finally
arrived in the form of 8 snapshots of the satellite’s orbital
position. The last snapshot, when projected forward into space and
time by a leading satellite watcher who does not want his name
revealed, seemed to confirm the official Air Force account. But,
going on a hunch and tapping my own expertise in space operation and
satellite sleuthing, I decided to check the data myself. The
released tracking data could not be positively identified with
pieces of the failed probe. Why in the world would our government
lie? In the 1960’s U.S. Military intelligence agencies, interested
in enemy technology, were eagerly collecting all the Soviet missile
and space debris that they could find. International law required
that the debris be returned to the country of origin. The hardware
of Cosmos 96 was it’s special missile warning shielding; too valuable
to give back. Hardline skeptics still doubt that anything at all
landed in Pennsylvania. Robert Young, an investigator from
Harrisburg, keeps finding new ‘holes’ in the claims of witnesses. ‘I
am now more convinced than ever that nothing came down in Kecksburg,’
he says. And, arch-skeptic, Phillip Klass...” [Hooray, Phil!]
“...attributes the NORAD data to foul-ups, not cover-up. But those
of us who study the relationship between U.S. Military Intelligence
and the former Soviet Union, still wonder, after all, what better
camouflage than to let people think the fallen object was NOT a
Soviet Probe, but, rather, a flying saucer. The Russians would never
suspect; the Air Force laboratories could examine the specimen at
leisure and, if suspicion lingered, UFO buffs could be counted on to
maintain the phony cover story protecting the real truth.” And that
is all we know about the purported Kecksburg landing.
(T) Why would
anyone fly in a small, acorn-shaped capsule?
(L) They wouldn’t want
to fly in it. And, remember, it can appear very small on the outside
but be huge on the inside.
(T) And, they hauled something away that
may or may not have... whatever it was, it went over! Something went
over at that time. My folks saw it when it passed over the Great
Lakes! I missed it. I was over at a friend’s house. We walked out of
the house ten minutes after it happened and everybody was saying:
“Did you see that! Did you see that!” How about this: The mode is
the important thing. Let’s just lump all non-human types under the
(J) Let’s use “non-terrestrial.”
(T) No, you
can’t use “non-terrestrial.” Could this have been a human experiment
using technology from WWII, from the Einstein work, the Philadelphia
Experiment Work, could they have been messing with something and it
came down where it wasn’t supposed to?
(L) Good question!
(T) It was
described as a small acorn-shaped capsule, a lot like what we
shooting up at that time on rockets...
(J) That’s right!
Terry on to something here?
Q: (T) Was this a continuation of the Philadelphia and Montauk work?
A: Now this poses some interesting questions, does it not?
Q: (T) Yes it does. That was 30 years ago!
A: Do you want to be the ones who tear away the veil?
Q: (T) Sure! I’m always into veil tearing!
A: Are you sure that is wise?
Q: (T) If we don’t start tearing some veils away from some of these
we are not going to be able to progress much farther. You keep
toying with this
and then you tell us it is too dangerous.
A: Not point. It is okay to learn truths for yourselves, is it wise
to do it for
Q: (L) Is this another one of the things we can’t tell.
(T) No, I
think that was
more aimed at the fact that it is okay for ME to learn truths, but
do I want to expose you all here...
(L) No, I think it is more that
other people don’t want to know it...
(J) Or aren’t ready.
the government is, in fact...
(T) Well, that was 30 years ago, and
if it was a...
A: Who is the “government?”
Q: (T) Well, I suppose that if we saw a list of names of who is the
government, we wouldn’t know who any of them were! They are
certainly never on
(L) Okay, what we have so far is that this was not a UFO
sense of being a craft, but that it may have been an object that the
was playing with in their own little experiments in moving things
(J) And they weren’t real good at it.
(L) They screwed up!
question: Is it possible to create resistance to abduction by
Like an internal sound?
Q: (L) Well, this article I was reading said that different people
techniques where they think it has helped them to halt or avoid
abduction by “aliens.” One is to generate an “internal” sound, a
high-pitche “thought hum,” and another is to invoke angelic spirits
such as the Archangel Michael, and another is to “Just Say No,” and
these people think they have avoided being abducted thereby. Are any
of these usable techniques?
Q: (T) Sweet smelling dried flowers are potpourri.
A: Sage, salt, ooohm, any other rituals you like?
Q: (L) In other words, nothing works?
(T) It’s not going to stop
them! I keep
a heavy shield around the house and all that stuff and they still
A: How about the hula hoop dance with green peppers stuck up your
Q: (T) Thirty-three times! Mirth! [Tom French sits at board] (TF)
what is it you feel that you do here?
(L) Ecstasy! Sorry!
Well, you will feel it shortly. It is not like you feel anything,
(L) When you put your fingers on, usually just two, you want
to put them on lightly but firmly. You don’t want to create any
drag, yet you want contact. Most people usually put too much
pressure or not enough and it either leaves them behind or they stop
the motion. Well, the rest of the UFO loonies are not going to want
to hear this because they all like to think that they have all kinds
of techniques of resistance and they have these psychotronic weapons
and machines, and they think they are all-powerful with tricks up
(T) Mike has a UFO detector in a cigarette pack.
(L) Yeah. Mike Forte, our nemesis.
(T) He has an electronic
thing he carries around in a cigarette pack which he says beeps or
something when UFOs are in the area!
(Freddie) It is funny that you
should mention that because when we were at the MUFON meeting in
Clearwater, I did hear a distinct, high-pitched beep coming from
(TF) Who did he say it to?
(L) Oh, he’s told everybody!
it anything like a B.S. detector?
(TF) Now, if I start reading out
the lyrics from “Born to Run,” you know there’s something wrong.
It’s a lizard. [Discussion of lizards, roaches and toads] (L)
Alright, now, reading about the Linda Cortile case, the woman
supposedly abducted out of a high-rise apartment building; rumored
to have taken place in the sight of Javier Perez de Cuellar and his
bodyguards and driver.
(TF) The U.N. guy.
(L) Was the man who
witnessed this really Javier?
A: Yes, but not only one.
Q: (L) So, there were others? Okay, of the two people who were
supposed to be
the bodyguards of the “VIP,” one of them exhibited some extremely
bizarre behavior after this event. What was the cause of this
bizarre behavior? Was it him trying to freak-out Linda Cortile, or
was he simply freaked out himself?
A: Simple shock.
Q: (L) So, he was having a hard time dealing with it himself. During
discussion of this case, it seems that this particular incident
a mass abduction because a number of women in the neighborhood have
subsequently claimed that they not only were abducted at the same
time on the same night, but that during the course of time that they
were being taken to this craft, they saw other women walking out on
the street together. Was this, in fact, a mass abduction?
A: Some was hysteria.
Q: (L) Do mass abductions ever occur?
Q: (L) Did Linda Cortile make up any of this story.
Q: (T) Is Budd Hopkins ever going to come out with the story?
Q: (L) I read a recent article by a woman named Dr. Hulda Clark, and
she claims that all cancer, depending upon certain variations, is
caused by parasites.
Q: (L) Well, if Hulda Clark’s theory isn’t it, what is the cause of
A: There are many causes.
Q: (L) Well, the reason I asked is because TG has had to go back to
Houston for tests because of pain in his arm. Is this, or is he
heading toward, a recurrence of his cancer?
Q: (L) Is there anything that can be done in that situation? [Tom
he and Freddie work alone and Laura removes her fingers.]
Q: (Susan) In the bodywork I have been doing, I have found myself
doing a lot of spiralling on people’s bodies. I have been getting
great results, but I was wondering about the difference between
moving clockwise and counter- clockwise?
Q: (Susan) Well, I better not do that anymore!
(L) No, they just
said to be careful.
(Susan) Well, is there any difference between
clockwise and counter-clockwise?
A: Suggest learn more.
Q: (Susan) How do I learn.
(Tom to Freddie) Do you feel it moving
and your fingers sort of follow or do you feel something generating
through your fingers telling them where to go?
(F) No, I don’t feel
anything generating through my fingers.
(L) No, none of us feels
anything at this point. Which is not to say that the fingers
involved are not moving the planchette. It is just wholly
A: Need energy flow.
Q: (L) I guess they are saying that they need the energy flow of the
different people or that the movement is an energy flow through us.
There have been occasions where the planchette has flown off the
table out from under everybody’s fingers. Anything else, Sue?
(Susan) Yes, from whom do I get this training?
A: Look, listen, open!
Q: (L) Okay, you can experiment on me!
Q: (Susan) Is there any danger in doing this?
Q: (T) Is it because the spiral pattern creates an energy flow that
strong for the person?
Q: (T) Has this technique been used before?
Q: (T) Is it being used now by anyone besides Susan?
Q: (T) Is this someone in our area?
Q: (L) Any other questions?
(TF) Last time I asked about the
mountain dream. I
would like to know if there was anything behind my father’s “M”
in which he was repeatedly terrorized by the letter “M.”
asked that the
last time and I think they said it had something to do with the war.
Q: (L) Anything before we shut down?
(T) What was the purpose of the
that we were under?
(L) The purpose?
A: Already told you this.
Q: (T) Here?
(L) It’s in the transcript.
(J) Yes. It’s in the
you read it? And I thought it was very interesting. I didn’t realize
guys were doing the session, and right at the point where it says
to discuss...” the phone rang and it was us calling.
(L) That whoe
A: To discover.
Q: (L) They said at that time that the attack was to break up the
group and that all attack was essentially rooted in attack on faith.
Did you read that part?
(T) Yes, but it didn’t make sense.
they said if you look back over the pattern, all attack is an attack
Q: (T) What faith were they attacking?
A: Open. Discover.
Q: (T) Was I being prevented from learning something about the
information gathering process?
A: Up to you to discover.
Q: (L) Well, it will sort itself out.
(T) It wasn’t an attack on the
group. And it wasn’t an attack on me that would really make a
difference one way or another. Was it a practice attack?
was behind the mask at the Veiled Prophet Ball? It is a coming out
ball in St. Louis for debutantes.
(L) Is it someone who is dressed
(TF) They are just there and preside over the ball.
A: Victor Moeller.
Q: (TF) This is before I was born.
(J) Interesting that they give a
Can’t get much more specific than that! It was 1958.
End of Session
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July 19, 1995
Freddie Direct Channeling, Laura, SV
Q: When the connection is complete will you indicate by saying “I am
ready.” Are you ready?
A: Yes. [Positional adjustments made]
Q: (L) We have several questions this evening. Who do we have with
A: You keep requesting a name. Remember this mode of communication
different qualities and different necessities, therefore
identification by name is not necessary.
Q: (L) What is the protocol?
A: Protocol is not the word. Protocol suggests restriction. There is
restriction here. It is merely a different mode of communication.
(L) Why does there seem to be difficulty in transmission right now?
[Freddie is talking very low and slowly.]
A: That is your perception only.
Q: (L) Ordinarily the voice is strong and clear...?
A: Your perception, however the voice will become stronger and
clearer as the
session progresses as has been the case in each of the previous
sessions using this particular type of communication, also one
possible problem may be physical blockages of the sound wave paths.
Q: (L) Caused by what?
A: The physical obstructions in front of the pathway. [We make
Q: (L) Is that better?
A: The results will be up to you to determine.
Q: (L) Alright. Our first question is: In a previous session we were
small dissertation on the process of abduction. It was described for
us in some detail. Now, what we would like to know is, if our souls
are abducted from our bodies and then used as a pattern for
remolecularization in fourth density, is there ever, at any time, a
remolecularized clone that is retained in fourth density even after
the soul has been returned to its original body?
A: No, it’s not possible.
Q: (L) So, they don’t keep a pattern or clone of any of us after
abducted us, “they” being a general term?
Q: (L) Okay. Is any process used to affect us at a distance from
A: That question is vague.
Q: (L) Do any of the STS beings have the ability to cause us
or mental or emotional problems when not in direct contact with us?
Q: (L) How is this done?
A: A number of different methods used.
Q: (L) Can you describe the most frequently used methods?
A: That’s a non-applicable question.
Q: (L) What do you mean?
A: There is no frequency determination by way of mathematical
Q: (L) So any and all methods may be used at any given time?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) Could you give us one or two examples of how this is done?
A: There are many: sound wave manipulation of the ultra high
would be one.
Q: (L) What do these sound waves in the ultra high frequencies do?
A: They can alter chemical balances within the body of the subject,
the brain, using the physical path to cause distress by altering
these chemical imbalances into place.
Q: (L) Do these ultra-high frequency sound waves ever carry messages
in terms of pre-coded suggestions that are triggered by these waves?
A: Messages are not carried in ultra-high frequency sound waves.
Now, you are
talking about an entirely different method.
Q: (L) Could you describe this method to us?
A: This would be very complex and time consuming for you, but also,
there is one
more method used than what your mental capacities are able to
Q: (L) And what is that?
A: There’s no possibility for an adequate response since the
not be perceptible for you.
Q: (L) I don’t understand. You say there is one more method that
would be beyond our ability to perceive...
A: That’s correct. If you cannot perceive it, how can you expect to
Q: (L) Well, perhaps if we were helped to understand it we would
learn to perceive it and could thereby negate it.
A: The best analogy would be trying to explain calculus to a
two-year old. Would
this be possible?
Q: (L) To a very clever individual, possibly.
A: And would it be possible for the two-year-old human to perceive
Q: (L) If the two-year-old human was extremely bright.
A: Well, now you are adding conditions into a situation which were
not there to
Q: (L) Well, my question is: why mention something that is
non-perceivable and unexplainable if it cannot be discussed?
A: It still can be documented, can it not?
Q: (L) Well, how do we document it?
A: Exactly as given.
Q: (L) If we don’t know what we are looking for, how can we document
A: Exactly as explained. There is one method which cannot be
perceived by you.
Is it not possible to document that as such?
Q: (L) If documentation is simply writing that there is one method
that we cannot perceive.
Q: (L) And then others will come along and ask: “What is it?” And we
will have no answer. Not even a remote estimation of what it could
possibly be. And that is a highly unsatisfactory condition to be in,
to have a hint...
A: It is? What about all the other answers that were once questions?
Q: (L) Well, they are far more satisfactory since they have now
A: How did they become knowledge?
Q: (L) By being answered.
A: And how did they exist before they became answers?
Q: (L) As questions.
Q: (L) And, our question is: What is this other method?
A: It is not perceivable by you.
Q: (L) What are the mechanics of it if it is not perceivable?
A: That’s part of what you cannot perceive. Do you not see that
there is a
question here for you to begin to study yourself, and this is the
only way that it can be done, by planting a seed, as it were, for
you then to follow until it eventually leads to the answer. But, in
order for you to receive the answer, you need information in between
the question and the answer which is not yet available to you
because conditions do not exist currently that will allow for that
in between information to be available.
Q: (L) Alright then, moving on to another subject, how are pre-coded
information signals sent?
A: Would you clarify, please?
Q: (L) Well, before we got off onto this subject, the suggestion was
that messages could be sent via sound-wave focusing.
A: No, sound wave focusing is designed to alter body and brain
order to alter such things as feelings, emotions, and so forth,
which then may lead to the altering of mental thought patterns. But
messages are not sent by ultra-high frequency sound waves.
Q: (L) How are they sent?
A: Messages are sent by something called Free Formal Imaging.
Q: (L) And what does that describe?
A: That describes the transference of thought.
Q: (L) And how is that done? At what frequency is it done?
A: Not correct concept. There is no “Frequency” as such involved.
methodology that, again, unfortunately, you do not understand.
However, since you seek answers to all questions, the only possible
way to explain is to simply say a thought is formed in one realm and
sent to a second realm, which is yours.
Q: (L) Okay. Can it be sent
to a directed target?
Q: (L) Now, the question has arisen that, since other dimensional
beings have the ability to kidnap or abduct or forcibly extract
souls, do they also have the capability of manipulating our soul
essences after they have left our bodies during the transition to
A: Not correct.
Q: (L) They do not?
A: No, you see when your physical body expires, and you enter fifth
this is done one way and one way only: by passing through a conduit
specifically for the purpose of transference from third density to
density. Now, something often referred to in your terminology as a
thread, is like a closed line which opens when this conduit is
rather awkward, but it’s the only way to describe it. So that when
body terminates, this line is opened forming a conduit through which
passes naturally. However, part of the existence of this conduit is
that it is
absolutely impenetrable by any force from any density level.
in the process of transferring from third density to fifth density
are not in any way able to be molested or tampered with. And it
should be mentioned here, also, that the soul imprint of the
physical body always has a connection to fifth density and that is
through the so-called “silver thread.” That always exists as the
third density soul’s doorway to fifth density. It can be opened at a
moment’s notice whenever needed. When it is opened it becomes a
conduit. Through that conduit the soul passes. And it is not subject
to interference by anything. This is not a deliberate construction,
it is merely the natural process similar to what could be described
as the protection mechanisms existing on second level density for
creatures which are not capable of protecting themselves through
their own conscious thought processes. For example, your turtle is
contained within a shell that protects it. That shell is
impenetrable by any natural forces, therefore nothing that is
natural can harm that turtle. However, the same can exist for any
creature when it is connected by the silver thread to fifth density.
Once it is passing through the conduit produced by the opening of
the silver thread, then, of course, it cannot be tampered with. Do
Q: (L) Yes, but why do so many souls, when they leave the body, not
traverse this conduit, and why do they stay earthbound, and why do
they attach to other bodies? Why does this condition exist?
A: That is a complicated question, however the best answer is choice
there for those souls who wish not to leave the plane of third
density. The only possibility to do this is to be detached from the
now expired physical body but still be within the third density
plane, which, of course, is not natural, but nonetheless can occur.
In situations such as this, though it has been incorrectly reported,
the silver thread is still attached and still remains a thread
rather than a conduit. The soul is still attached to the silver
thread but detached from the host body which has now expired. So the
effect is very similar to being consciously aware of third density
surroundings without a third density unit to accompany. Do you
Q: (L) Yes. Okay...
A: Also, please be aware of the fact that once the soul leaves the
the physical body, the illusion of time passage is no longer
apparent even when the soul remains on the third density plane.
Therefore, it appears to that soul that no time whatsoever has
passed. And, we mention this merely for you to contemplate all of
the various meanings behind this.
Q: (L) Okay. Now, earlier we had a
discussion about crime, the involvement in crime of black people
versus white people, and, looking at the numbers, it seems that
there is an inordinate number of black people involved in crime or
criminal activities, or negatively oriented behavior than white
people; the figures are really outstanding: blacks are eight times
more likely to commit crimes than whites. And many of the
explanations that are used, such as poverty or discrimination do not
seem to account for this disparity, considering the poverty and
discrimination exhibited toward many other ethnic groups with no
such relationship. Is there something significant in this fact, and
is there some reason why this condition exists?
A: Perhaps you should try one question at a time.
Q: (L) Why do blacks commit more crimes than whites?
A: That is too broad spectrum a concept to be answered simply.
Please try to
break down the question into several parts so that the answers can
Q: (L) Can you suggest a way for me to break it down; it is a
A: Normally this is not the procedure, however, one suggestion may
example, to ask, first of all, what is it that causes individuals to
commit crimes; secondly, is there any connection between one’s race
and national origin or physical state of being and one’s proclivity
to commit crimes, etc. In other words, this is a broad spectrum
subject. In order for it to be answered adequately, it must be
broken down into many consecutive questions.
Q: (L) What is it that
causes individuals to commit crimes?
A: Well, now you see, that too, has many answers. We will choose one
let you contemplate. One answer is, of course, as we mentioned
alteration of blood, body and brain chemistry through the use of
ultra- high frequency sound waves. Of course, as you can well
imagine, one effect that this may have would be what you would refer
to as anti-social behavior. Do you not see this?
Q: (L) I do. Okay, is there anything about a person of a particular
race or body type which makes them more susceptible to this
manipulation than another race or person?
A: Well now, that brings into question the physical differences
including the obvious body chemistry differences, a subject that has
not been adequately explored on the third density level of
existence. For example, it is very obvious the different “races” as
it is called, are human beings that have different chemical make-up
in their bodies. Would you not say this?
Q: (L) I would say that
might be probable.
A: Now, if one takes this one step further, perhaps if one race has
chemistry make-up or blood chemistry make-up that can alter the
emotions in such a way so as to commit what is called anti-social
behavior, at least in social environment to which you are
accustomed, then this, perhaps, would explain why there may be a
higher percentage of crimes committed by persons of a particular
race as opposed to persons of a different particular race.
Are there any specific chemicals that we could isolate or name that
would be involved with this condition?
Q: (L) And, what is that?
A: A hormone secreted by the pituitary gland. You’ll find this
hormone to be in high concentrations in persons of what is referred
to as the Negro race.
Q: (L) And why does this hormone make a person susceptible to these
ultra-high frequency sound waves, so that they exhibit anti-social
A: That’s actually a question that skips over some necessary
however the best way to answer that is that when this hormone is in
high abundance, then one’s aggressive nature is heightened, since it
already exists in higher levels within individuals of the Negro
race, it does not require much alteration to increase it to what
would be referred to as the danger level. Therefore, aggressive or
anti-social behavior can be more easily facilitated in those of the
Negro race, and those of other races.
Q: (L) Is it possible, or does it happen, that people of the other
races, white, hispanic, or oriental, to have individuals born into
those races, who, by some fluke, have higher levels of this hormone?
A: Are you asking: “Do some individuals of other races besides the
have high levels of that hormone?” Well, obviously each individual
situation is different. It is averages that make up the important
Q: (L) So, this is what we could call, in a general
sense, the “Crime Hormone?”
A: It is certainly one of them, anyway. Although, aggressive
behavior does not
necessarily translate into criminal behavior.
Q: (L) True. What is it in the blacks that tends to make aggressive
behavior translate into crime?
A: That question is not answerable when put in that way. Please
reverse and ask
a more basic foundational question.
Q: (L) Well individuals such as members of the Celtic background are
historically and evidentially quite aggressive, yet they do not as
frequently, in fact less frequently, commit crimes as a result of
their aggression. Why is this?
A: Well, there is more than one answer, of course. Everyone’s
chemical nature or
make-up is oriented toward their native environments. Of course, if
of the Negro race as having lived for many thousands, in fact
millions, of years
in the general climate and environmental situation they are native
perhaps it could be said that a greater level of Tumoxifene would be
survival in that environment. Now, when removed from that
environment to an
entirely different environment whereby such chemical balance is not
the new environment, then increased amounts of this chemical may
aggressive behavior of one or two particular types. Whereas other
cultures, when exposed to any stimuli which causes increases or
changes in various brain chemistry, this may cause aggressive
behavior of a different sort which can be channeled into more
acceptable pursuits within the given society.
Q: (L) Is there
anything that can be done chemically to alter this aggression or
crime hormone to reduce it or to convert its effects into other
A: That’s an extremely complicated question because any tampering
of the brain is similar to what you would describe in cliche as
shooting in the dark at this point in your development, because you
do not understand all of the intricacies involved. Therefore, it is
very difficult also to positively answer that question when put in
Q: (L) Is there any form that question could be put into where it
could be answered more simply?
A: That is up to the one asking the questions to determine.
Obviously the answer
is yes, but if you are asking how to formulate the question, we
cannot do that for you because that is part of your learning
process. If we now are reduced to asking or rather telling, how to
ask questions, this is rather like leading you by the hand, is it
Q: (L) Yes. Is there a simple, practical action that could be taken
to assist members of the black race in reducing this aggressive
A: Well, again, you keep asking nearly impossible questions because,
realize that this is not a simple black and white issue, no pun
intended. What it is is trying to answer an extremely difficult
question with very simple answers and this will not work because
there are so many different directions involved here. There is just
an impossible number of difficulties involved in trying to deal with
this. Apparently you don’t see that it is not something where one
can simply formulate an injection, for example, and line up all the
members of the black race for this injection. Can you imagine the
extreme difficulty in even trying to contemplate such a thing? And,
all of the resistance that would be received from every imaginable
corner of your society at even the mere suggestion of such a
thought? Obviously this is a problem that will only be taken care of
at a later time, as you measure time, when the shift from 3rd
density to 4th density takes place. There really is no point in
trying to climb backwards up the side of a mountain with nothing but
your slippery bare feet and hands to work with. That is what you
would be trying to do if you tried to answer such a problem so
Q: (L) Okay. I would like to know who was responsible for the vision
seen by the Emperor Constantine which caused him to convert to
Christianity and impose Christianity on his world?
A: The answer to that is, mainly and primarily, merely that the
Constantine had been predestined to do such a thing by the planning
process that exists in fifth density prior to the reemergence of a
soul in third density.
Q: (L) Is there any particular significance
to the fact that the imposition of Christianity on the area of
Constantine’s reign also brought on the Dark Ages?
Q: (L) Do you have any comments on that?
A: No, not really.
Q: (L) What is the true significance of the Masonic Apron?
A: In what way?
Q: (L) There are hieroglyphics and carvings from ancient Egypt
showing high priests wearing aprons and there are many secret
societies down through the ages for centuries and possibly even
further back than that where the initiates wore aprons. Now, the
aprons have been either white cloth or sheepskin. What is the
significance of the apron? Why an apron?
A: It is simply a tradition born of ritual.
Q: (L) What was the origin of this tradition? What did it symbolize
to put on the apron?
A: Perhaps it could best be described as attempts to shield from
Q: (L) Okay, Susan and I did some research on all our past sessions
and we came
to the realization that after other people began coming regularly
there was a
significant increase, in fact a doubling, of the number of answers
through this source, that were basically refusals to answer, as in:
up to you, open, maybe, close, and so forth. In general, what we
noticed was a great reduction in the level and type of information
we were being given. Could you give us a reason for this?
A: The best answer to that is that when you have a greater and
greater number of
subjects present for any formal channeling sessions, of course the
mental energy and the thought waves are more of a conflicting
nature, and of course the answers must be carefully given in order
to avoid conflict that is unnecessary by the observers or within the
ranks of the observers, so, therefore, some questions are better
left unanswered if it is felt or known that the true answers will
cause grave distress by some who are receiving them. And, the more
subjects you have present, the more likely that this situation is to
be apparent. Therefore, sometimes questions must be either passed
over or each individual subject must find a way to answer the
question for themselves that they feel comfortable with.
Q: (L) That seems to say that the way that is most conducive to
receiving information is to limit the number of individuals present,
thereby limiting the amount of conflicting thought patterns.
A: That is one possible outlook.
Q: (L) Does it require a state of absolute openness to receive the
A: No, it does not, however to receive absolute information in
flow, such a state would be required. But, such states are very rare
on third density.
Q: (L) Well, it seemed to me that in the initial six months or so
that we were receiving the information, that the information was
much more open and the answers were more open. It seems that when I
ask questions I ask because I really want to HEAR what may be said
without putting any expectations on it whatsoever. I have realized
that with all of the enormous work I have done in this life, that I
have not been able to figure out the answers, and I am ready to shut
up and listen... When other people ask questions, it often seems
that they are just asking just to confirm the answer they have
already formed in their own mind against whatever answer may come
A: This is a correct perception on your part, however such prejudice
described is something that all on third density are guilty of to a
greater or lesser extent at various question and answer
opportunities. Therefore if you were to study the answers more
thoroughly, you might also find that there are varying degrees of
what you describe as openness or willingness to dispense information
even during those sessions where fewer people were present.
That is true. The thing is, from my point of view, to continually
strive to reduce the number of prejudices, to expand and broaden the
willingness to hear the information, and to not have a preconceived
notion of what the answer is going to be. In the initial stages, of
course, I was testing and examining what kinds of answers came
through and what the parameters were, and I actually think,
interestingly, that even with my, more or less rigid testing
process, that better and more complete answers were given than were
given in later sessions where others were present.
A: It’s possible.
Q: (L) What would be the reason for this?
A: We have already described this in the previous answer. The more
have present, the more opportunity for prejudice, obviously.
Okay, recently I went to a neurologist, Dr. Vincent DiCarlo. Now, it
seems that Dr. Di Carlo was quite animated and indicated that he
felt like he had met me before even though he knew that he hadn’t.
There seemed to have been some very strong subliminal psychic
interaction between myself and him. Could you give me a clue as to
why this was?
A: There may have been some karmic interaction there.
Q: (L) Will this involve any interaction in the future?
A: That is obviously up to you to find out.
Q: (L) Well, Susan and I have been talking and she is baffled as to
what to do for me therapeutically. Can you help?
A: That, of course, is a very complicated situation, however, one of
possibilities is the nerve passages can be altered by physical
stresses caused by a number of different factors stemming from
activities undertaken in the past, for example buildup of scar
tissue around the musculature of the extremities and appendages, has
perhaps blocked the natural flow of electricity which then pass from
the center of the nervous of system to the extremities. This can
cause some starvation of necessary passages of electrical elements
through the nerve passageways which, in turn then, may cause a
certain degree of starvation to those same extremities through lack
of proper oxygenation. Alleviation is difficult because it requires
several steps. The best suggestion is a gradual but steady
improvement in health as facilitated by a number of different
programs to reverse damage having been caused. The information to
facilitate this is available to you.
Q: (L) It is reversible?
A: It is reversible. All damage is always reversible until either
host body in part or in whole is terminated.
Q: (L) Is Susan’s manipulation of the tissues and electrical
currents through her various techniques, is this beneficial at this
A: It is beneficial, however, it is very likely more will be needed.
more types of activities in order to facilitate complete
Q: (SV) But, the main problem is the scar tissue?
A: Any form of blockages which block the proper firing of the
preventing oxygenation which takes place as a result, including the
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July 23, 1995
Freddie Direct channeling,Laura, SV, Terry and Jan
Q: (L) When you
are ready please indicate.
Q: (L) We have a number of questions and I think Jan wants to lead
off this evening.
(J) First off, who do we have with us?
A: Curious that you should ask that? What is the expected answer?
Q: (J) A name.
A: You still desire a name. We’ll say: Toren.
Q: (J) If it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter.
A: What matters is what matters to you and our desire to comply.
Q: (L) Toren, the first thing on my mind is an experience I had
several nights ago. It seemed as though there was some sort of
interaction between myself and something “other.” Could you tell me
what this experience was?
A: Was eclipsing of the realities.
Q: (L) What is an eclipsing of the realities?
A: It is when energy centers conflict.
Q: (L) What energy centers are conflicting?
A: Thought energy centers.
Q: (L) Whose thoughts?
A: Ahh, we’re getting ahead of ourselves, are we not? Thoughts are
the basis of
all creation. After all, without thought nothing would exist. Now
Q: (L) True.
A: Therefore, energy centers conflicting involve thought patterns.
refer to it as an intersecting of thought pattern energies.
Q: (L) Could you be a little more explicit.
A: We sense you are leading. The true effort to gain knowledge
should always be
to be open to any response, any question. Therefore asking to be
more specific is assuming that the answer is not explicit.
Q: (L) Well, it seemed to me that something happened to me that
blanked out a
period of my experience, and you say this was an eclipsing of
energies caused by
an intersecting of thought centers. Now, this intersecting of
thought centers, did this occur within my body or within my
A: They are one and the same.
Q: (L) Was this eclipsing of though centers brought on by any of my
A: Well, again we must ask you to slow down in your own perceptions
for just a
moment, for one sees the truest of answers when one is open to all
possible responses and is not prejudiced. And again, unfortunately
we sense a leading in your seeking of answers which indicates
prejudice which is perfectly alright, however one would assume that
one seeks the truest of all possible answers and prejudice does not
allow that. So, if it would be possible, please try to ask questions
that do not lead to any particular type of conclusion.
Q: (L) Can I
ask about my specific perceptions of the event?
A: That is what you are already doing. We sense that you desire the
all possible answers and if one desires the truest of all possible
answers, one must avoid expressing one’s own perceptions to any
great degree and simply allow the answers to flow. The best advice
to accomplish this is a step-by-step approach - to ask the simplest
of questions with the least amount of prejudice attached.
Q: (L) Alright. I was lying in bed worrying about being able to get
to sleep. The next thing I knew, I came to myself feeling that I was
being floated off my bed. Was I?
A: No. When you say “I” you are referring to your whole person.
There is more
than one factor involved with one’s being to any particular
Q: (L) Was some part of my being being separated from another part
of my being?
Q: (L) Was this an attempt to extract my soul or astral body?
A: Attempt is not probably the proper term.
Q: (L) In other words...
A: It is more just an activity taking place. Attempt implies effort
the nature present in a conflicting of energies and thought centers.
Q: (L) I also seemed to be aware of several dark, spider-like
figures lined up by the side of the bed, was this an accurate
A: Those could be described as specific thought center projections.
Q: (L) I seemed to be fighting and resisting this activity.
A: That was your choice.
Q: (L) Was I successful?
A: Now, we are back to leading again.
Q: (L) Alright, was this the ending of an abduction that had already
A: Not the proper terminology. It was the conclusion to an event,
necessarily what one would refer to as an abduction, but more what
one would refer to as an interaction.
Q: (L) What was the nature of the interaction?
A: The conflicting of energies related to thought center impulses.
Q: (L) Where are these thought centers located?
A: Well, that is difficult to answer because that is assuming that
centers are located. And, of course this is a concept area in which
you are not fully familiar as of yet. So, an attempt to answer this
in any way that would make sense to you would probably not be
fruitful. We suggest slowing down and carefully formulating
Q: (L) At what level of density do these thought centers have their
A: Thought centers do not have primary focus in any level of
density. This is
precisely the point. You are not completely familiar with the
reality of what thoughts are. We have spoken to you on many levels
and have detailed many areas involving density level, but thoughts
are quite a different thing because they pass through all density
levels at once. Now, let us ask you this. Do you not now see how
that would be possible?
Q: (L) Yes. But what I am trying to do is identify these conflicting
thought centers. If two thought centers, or more, conflict, then my
idea would be that they are in opposition.
Q: (L) And, what I want to know is, was this in opposition to me, or
was this an opposition in which I simply was caught in the middle,
so to speak.
A: Well, you are drifting away from the true nature of your
you are making suppositions. And we are not trying to scold you, we
are merely trying to guide you and this is not always easy. But, let
it be known again that the simplest way for you to gather knowledge
on this particular subject matter is to ask the simplest questions
Q: (L) Okay, you said I wasn’t abducted, that an
event of some sort occurred.
What was the event?
A: We have already described this, but the problem that you are
having is that
you are assuming that the description we are giving is more
complicated than this. It is not.
Q: (L) Did I leave my body?
A: I’m very sorry to tell you that you are drifting again.
Q: (L) Well, I am trying to ask simple questions.
A: The problem is that you are pre-supposing answers. Please limit
Q: (L) What is my prejudice, what is my presupposition?
A: Well, just to give you an example: how do you know that you ever
body? The question is not: do you ever leave your body, its how do
you know that you do?
Q: (L) I guess you don’t.
A: Let us give you a parallel. If you saw a rainbow in the sky and
was later no longer visible, would you then say: “Did that rainbow
spill onto the mountain?”
Q: (L) I don’t get it. No I wouldn’t because I would know that the
rainbow is the refracting of light on water or ice in the
A: That’s what you know. But, then again how do you know that
anything you know
is, in fact, the true representation of reality?
Q: (L) We don’t.
A: The only way to solve this problem when asking about a
complicated issue is
to ask very simple step-by-step questions without prejudice. In
order to do that, one must pause and reflect, and take one’s time,
as it were, to formulate the questions carefully in order to make
sure that they are very simple, step-by-step questions and not
questions containing prejudice.
Q: (L) Okay, in the experience I
felt a paralysis of my body, what caused this paralysis.
A: Yes. Separation of awareness. Which is defined as any point along
pathway where one’s awareness becomes so totally focused on one
thought sector that all other levels of awareness are temporarily
receded, thereby making it impossible to become aware of one’s
physical reality along with one’s mental reality. This gives the
impression of what is referred to as paralysis. Do you understand?
Q: (L) Yes. And what stimulates this total focus of awareness?
A: An event which sidetracks, temporarily, the mental processes.
Q: (L) And what event can sidetrack the mental processes to this
A: Any number.
Q: (L) In this particular case, what was it?
A: It was an eclipsing of energies caused by conflicting thought
Q: (L) What energies were being eclipsed?
A: Whenever two opposing units of reality intersect, this causes
what can be
referred to as friction, which, for an immeasurable amount of what
you would refer to as time, which is, of course, non-existent,
creates a non- existence, or a stopping of the movements of all
functions. This is what we would know as conflict. In between, or
through any intersecting, opposite entities, we always find zero
time, zero movement, zero transference, zero exchange. Now think
about this. Think about this carefully.
Q: (L) Does this mean that I was, essentially, in a condition of
A: Well, non-existence is not really the proper term, but non-fluid
would be more to the point. Do you understand?
Q: (L) Yes. Frozen, as it were?
A: Frozen, as it were.
Q: (L) Was there any benefit to me from this experience?
A: All experiences have potential for benefit.
Q: (L) Was there any detriment from this experience?
A: All experiences have potential for detriment. Now, do you see the
We are talking about any opposing forces in nature, when they come
together, the result can go all the way to the extreme of one side
or all the way to the extreme of the other. Or, it can remain
perfectly, symmetrically in balance in the middle, or partially in
balance on one side or another. Therefore all potentials are
realized at intersecting points in reality.
Q: (L) Was one of the
energies that was intersecting with another energy, the energy that
constitutes who and what I am?
A: Well, now, you are drifting again.
Q: (L) Was one of the thought centers me?
A: That is presupposing that you, what is defined as you, or how you
yourself as “me” is of and by itself a thought center.
Q: (L) Well,
I am trying to find this out by asking these questions. I am not
presupposing here, I am just trying to find out what is going on
A: Part of what is you is a thought center but not all of what is
you is a
thought center. So, therefore it is incorrect to say: “Was one of
these conflicting energies or thought centers me?”
Q: (L) Was one of these conflicting thought centers or energies some
part of me?
Q: (L) And was it eclipsed by interacting with a thought center
energy that was part of or all of something or someone else?
A: Or, was what happened a conflicting of one energy thought center
that was a
part of your thought process and another energy thought center that
was another part of your thought process? We will ask you that
question and allow you to contemplate.
Q: (L) Was it?
A: We will ask you that question and allow you to contemplate.
Q: (L) Does it ever happen that individuals who perceive or think
they perceive themselves to have experienced an “abduction,” to
actually be interacting with some part of themselves?
A: That would be a very good possibility. Now, before you ask
stop and contemplate for a moment: what possibilities does this open
up? Is there any limit? And if there is, what is that? Is it not an
area worth exploring?
Q: (L) Okay, help me out here...
A: For example, just one example for you to digest. What if the
scenario could take place where your soul projection, in what you
perceive as the future, can come back and abduct your soul
projection in what you perceive as the present?
Q: (L) Oh, dear! Does this happen?
A: This is a question for you to ask yourself and contemplate.
Q: (L) Why would I do that to myself?
(J) To gain knowledge of the
A: Are there not a great many possible answers?
Q: (L) Well, this seemed to be a very frightening and negative
experience. If that is the case: a. maybe that is just my
perception, or b. then, in the future I am not a very nice person!
(J) Or maybe the future isn’t very pleasant. And the knowledge that
you gained of it is unpleasant.
A: Or is it one possible future, but not all possible futures? And
pathway of free will not connected to all of this?
Q: (L) God! I hope so.
A: Now do you see the benefit in slowing down and not having
asking questions of great import? You see when you speed too quickly
in the process of learning and gathering knowledge, it is like
skipping down the road without pausing to reflect on the ground
beneath you. One misses the gold coins and the gemstones contained
within the cracks in the road.
Q: (L) Let’s pause for a moment.
A: Does anyone else inquiries.
Q: (J) I think I’ll wait until Laura gets back.
A: If that is your choice.
Q: (SV) Laura is in great conflict with herself; I know this for a
fact. Can we help her or is this something she has to do on her own?
A: How do you know this for a fact?
Q: (SV) When I am doing bodywork on her, it is how I perceive, what
I hear and what I feel and see.
A: We suggest that you explore that further.
Q: [Laura returns] (L) Now, getting back to this eclipsing of
energies. Is an eclipsing of energies, such as we are discussing, is
this something that can and does happen to everyone at one or many
points in their existence where choices are made.
A: We regret to inform you that you are speeding up and jumping
Q: (L) Okay, when this experience occurred, am I to assume that some
part of myself, a future self perhaps, of course they are all
simultaneous but just for the sake of reference, came back and
interacted with my present self for some purpose of exchange?
A: Well this is a question best left for your own exploration as you
more knowledge by contemplating it by yourself rather than seeking
the answers here. But a suggestion is to be made that you do that as
you will gain much, very much knowledge by contemplating these very
questions on your own and networking with others as you do so. Be
not frustrated for the answers to be gained through your own
contemplation will be truly illuminating to you and the experience
to follow will be worth a thousand lifetimes of pleasure and joy.
(L) Okay, just a few days prior to this experience, I experienced a
couple of headaches brought on by marital interactions. I would like
to know what was the source of this sudden, extreme pain.
A: Have you not answered that for yourself already?
Q: (L) Not satisfactorily.
A: No. It is that you perceive it as being not satisfactory.
Q: (L) Well, I have a couple of choices and I haven’t selected one
as being the one.
A: Well, then select one.
Q: (L) What if I select the wrong one?
A: You won’t.
Q: (L) Okay, also seemingly tied in with this experience, because
all of these things have happened in a circle, was an experience
when Susan was doing some bodywork on me and I suddenly saw a flash
of myself tied to a crossed beam, crossed in the shape of an X, in
expectation of being devoured by a lion that was working on tearing
my arm off at the shoulder. Was this an opening up of a doorway to
A: How does one normally access that information?
Q: (L) Well, it is normally done through hypnosis, but since there
is nobody around to hypnotize ME, then I usually get left out in the
cold on that one.
A: You say there is no one around to hypnotize you?
Q: (L) Who?
A: We asked you the question.
Q: (L) Well, it seems that way.
A: Very interesting. Hmm. Apparently the world is much more limited
thought it was.
Q: (T) Was Freddie’s dream significant?
A: Before we answer that question, we heard one of you say “pick on
night.” That is not the point of any of this. The point is to help
you to gain
true knowledge which can only be done by opening up your own
channels. We are
more than happy to assist you in any way possible in doing this,
would be detrimental to you to focus in entirely on our assistance
on your own abilities which are truly and completely unlimited. Now,
as far as
the perception of being picked on, as you describe it, this is
perception. The process of learning is sometimes difficult when the
amount of progress is being made and we commend Laura for making
learn that are sincere and persistent. There is no reason to ever
perceive that she, or anyone else present, is being picked on when
one is learning, when one is attempting to gain true knowledge, this
may be perceived as difficult, however, it is, in the long run, very
beneficial. And again, while we may seem to scold, we caution that
we do not scold, we merely direct when asked to direct. And, if we
sense that one’s mental energies are diverting or dispersing,
oftentimes we return with what seems to be a rather sharp answer
merely in an effort to refocus one’s attention. Because that is the
way with which all of you are familiar for that purpose. As you will
now know as you access your memories, it is instinctive in your
minds and in your souls. We suggest that you pause and reflect on
this because you will see, if you do, the truth in what we have
Q: (L) Speaking of truths, we had a discussion earlier, and we are
somewhat curious as to whether the law of free will would require
that some of the information we receive through this source be
A: Well, we do not wish to close off any possibilities for an answer
question, but we will suggest that if there is any falseness,
perhaps one possible answer as to why would revolve around what we
were speaking of earlier, which is prejudice. Prejudice may be
contained within the question itself or it may be contained within
the expected answer. Either one can interrupt or divert the flow of
energy in such a way as to produce varying degrees of what one would
perceive as correctness of response.
Q: (L) So, prejudice on the part of anyone in the room as to what
the answer should or should not be, or could or could not be, can,
in effect, create an answer?
A: It can divert the energy flow as we mentioned earlier when you
your own experience. If you recall, we cautioned you repeatedly not
to involve prejudice either in your questions or in your expected
responses. This was an effort on our part to help you to gain
valuable information and to help you to learn how to gather valuable
information, thus leading to an extensive expansion of your own
knowledge base. Again we also cautioned you not to perceive our
efforts as scolding, but as assistance.
Q: (L) So, the prejudice was my assumption as to what did or did not
happen, that it was an “Abduction,” or whatever and my questions
were framed on that assumption? And, I wanted to hear answers that
confirmed my perceptions?
Q: (L) Where else can prejudice enter in?
A: Well, you have described the most important possibilities. And
reflections, your own perusal of your own thought cneters can and
will produce any and all possible answers.
Q: (L) Could prejudice that inhibits or deflects the information
also originate from spirit attachments on any or all of us?
A: That is possible, though very doubtful.
Q: (L) If one or any of us had an attachment which altered our
thinking or emotions, could our altered thinking or feeling create
the prejudice which would deflect the information.
A: Well, it is doubtful that there is any limit to the
possibilities. There are
only varying degrees of potential. However, again, we caution
against any prejudice when asking a question either of yourself, or
of you accessing of the universal bank of knowledge which is always
there at your disposal. For, example, when you say “Spirit
attachment,” that is presuming, or again, expressing prejudice, that
such a thing exists, or that it exists in such a way to be a common
problem. Either one of those two possibilities, on the path of
prejudice, is present. For example, what is spirit attachment?
(L) What is spirit attachment?
A: No, we asked you first.
Q: (L) Well, my thought is that it is just as it has been described
and exhibited throughout centuries of interaction.
A: Who described and exhibited it?
Q: (L) Many individuals have exhibited it and it has been described
psychiatrists, priests, shamans, psychologists, exorcists, my own
working with it; and I don’t say that it is necessarily another
entity or being, although it may identify itself as such, my thought
is that it is entirely possible that it could just be something,
some energy that is packed or contained within that person, that is
of that nature, and takes on a life of its own, perhaps.
A: That’s good.
Q: (L) My thought also is that when one goes through the actions of
spirit release, it really doesn’t matter if it is cousin Harold who
has come to live in your left shoulder or whether it is years of
anger, packed in your right hip or past life pain in your heart,
none of those things really matter. What matters is: does the
technique work to release you from it?
A: That’s a nice theory, but we suggest further study. Because, in
truth, as you
know, deep within yourself, you cannot know that these things are
actual. And, if they are actual, in what segment of reality they
reside. You can only suppose that their existence is as you have
Q: (L) Well, I said that it doesn’t matter what they are,
it just matters that the releasing process works.
(J) Or that you
perceive that it works.
(L) It gives you a script to make changes in
A: The original question we asked was: How this relates to the
affects the energy flows of informational dispensation.
Q: (L) Well,
if a person has the attachment energy, whatever it is, can that type
of prejudice or that type of energy create prejudice which then
restricts the energy?
A: Well, that is certainly one possibility. But, as we said, we
Q: (L) Study in terms of books or in terms of working with
A: All of the above and then some.
Q: (T) Was Freddie’s dream significant?
A: May we ask that you be more specific in your question?
Q: (T) The dream that Freddie relayed to us earlier this evening
about there being another force, another entity or group of entities
involved in what’s happening.
A: Well, that is not the area we wanted you to be more specific
with. We are
aware of the dream as described, but we are asking you to be more
specific about the term “significant” because...
Q: (T) Well, is it important to what we are doing? Was it factual
A: Again we caution that you not be prejudiced in the formation of
questions because the terms “important” and “significan” imply a
generalization of levels of intensity of reality, that they can be
seen differently from different vantage points. In other words, what
is important to one is not important to another. What is significant
to one is not significant to another. It all can be confused as to
what is important and significant and what the definitions of
important and significant are. Therefore, we ask you to remove those
two terms, carefully ponder the question, and re-ask it in more
Q: (L) What was the source of the information Freddie received in
A: Well, actually that is jumping ahead of the previous thought
expressed by a different individual, which creates confusion and
also restricts the energy flow by diverting it.
Q: (T) Is the word ‘accurate’ acceptable?
A: Acceptable for what?
Q: (T) In reference to the question.
A: We ask you to carefully formulate the question you wish to ask,
and then ask
it in complete form.
Q: (T) Is there another force involved in what is happening on the
planet, that is manipulating the Reptoid beings the way they are
A: We do not wish to appear to be scolding, but we are trying to
help you to
gain knowledge. And, as we have stated previously, the formulation
is very important in this process. It has been asked previously, in
particular session, if anything can cause the response to questions
to be other
than factual in the best definition of what factual is. And, the
was any degree of prejudice or expectation of response. Therefore,
we must caution you again, to please try to refrain from having any
prejudice or expectation of response. And, prejudice can be, again,
in one sense, a presupposition of existence. Do you follow.
Q: (L) So, we don’t even know if the Lizzies exist or not.
A: Well, we have previously given you information that such entities
However, the question is not tantamount to the existence of what is
described or referred to as Lizzies, therefore it would be best to
leave that out of the question until confirmation that such entities
exist and that they are an important part of the question being
asked. Please bear with us and be patient. The results gained will
be beneficial for all.
Q: (T) I don’t understand... Is there another force involved with
the events on this planet, in third density, that we have not yet
discussed in previous sessions?
A: Perhaps it would help to have a review of what forces it is you
have in mind.
And then, once those forces have been described, we can answer your
question more completely and, more importantly, more accurately.
(L) May I ask a question?
A: You may always ask a question.
Q: (L) Was Freddie’s dream an accurate representation of the
interplay of energies on the planet at the present?
A: Well, as described to those present, in general terms, it was
moving in the
right direction, however, the information given was somewhat
splintered or fractured. There was not beneficial cohesiveness due
to the fact that the subject referred to, did not have complete
recall of the information given. It could be considered a basic
guideline, but not a complete database.
Q: (L) Could you give for
us, at this time in toto, the information that was given to Freddie
in the dream?
A: Well, yes that would be conceivable, however it would require
for approximately 52 units as you measure hours of time, to give an
adequate breakdown of the information previously given to Freddie.
And, we believe that you would be unwilling to participate for that
length of time, or that you would be able to physically hold up.
Q: (L) Can I give post-hypnotic suggestions to Freddie that he would
remember all of this?
Q: (L) May I ask if Freddie’s exposition as to why I seem to be
under such severe attack was correct?
A: That is difficult to answer because it is close, as we are
thought patterns, to being factual. However, there are conflicting
thought patterns. The thoughts coming from you in this particular
instance are confused. If you could be more specific, it would be
Q: (L) Then, just let me ask it straight. Why have I been
under such severe physical, material, and emotional attack in the
past 6 months. Freddie thinks that I am under such attack because I
work and move too fast in the gathering and attempts at
of information; that I charge ahead and do things, thereby exposing
myself to retaliatory attacks.
A: That has the potential for being partially correct in the sense
disseminate information, perhaps less carefully than you should. The
gathering of information holds no potential for attack from any
particular realm. However, dissemination DOES, because those whom
become aware, become empowered. And, in any struggle between
opposing forces, there is always danger in allowing anyone to become
empowered without realization of the ramifications.
Q: (L) So, I can
continue to seek information, as long as I keep it to myself?
A: You have free will to do that which you please. But, when you are
in terms of the question: where is the danger, this presupposes that
you are concerned about dangers to yourself. And, if this be the
case, we will be happy to give advice where and when needed.
Q: (L) Well, right now it is needed. I am almost completely
debilitated physically and materially, which creates a severe
barrier to focus and concentration, and also my ability to assist
A: Well then, perhaps it is true that you should be careful as to
disseminate the information and how you disseminate knowledge gained,
and where, and when. This is not to say that you must stop, but
rather to think carefully before you do it, as to what the
ramifications will be. And then your instincts will lead you in the
proper direction. The dangers are always that when one proceeds too
quickly, the instincts may be overrun and become confused with other
thought pattern energies, and thereby opening one up to attack and
other unpleasant possibilities.
Q: (L) Well, if I promise not to tell, make a vow, can’t we just
stop all this other?
A: It is not necessary to stop, it is just to be careful as to how
one does it.
The flow of information is never a harmful thing. As we have
previously described, the Service to Self involves the constriction
and restriction of energies, and the focusing within. The Service to
Others orientation involves an outward flow of energies, the focus
being from within to without. Therefore, the passage of information,
or dissemination is very helpful and is of Service to Others
orientation. But, one must also be aware of the dangers involved.
One must not lose control of the flow and the possibilities that can
result. This is where you need to be more careful. You need to
regulate. And, attack can come from any number of sources for any
number of reasons. It is not always for the same reason. And, of
course, there is the short wave and long wave cycle. The short wave
cycle is one which closes rather quickly. The long wave cycle is one
that closes more slowly, therefore take a longer amount of time, as
you perceive it, to close. Therefore it also involves a more
complicated issue. This is just one example as to how attack can be
the result of what we were just describing.
Q: (L) Can attack be a left over from another cycle?
A: That is one possibility, certainly.
Q: (L) Can you give us any advice as to how to navigate our way out
of such situations?
A: That is a VERY vague thought concept.
Q: (L) Well, Freddie and I both seem to repeatedly face the
financial flow issue, and it seems to be one of the primary modes of
attack against us at this point. How can we overcome this?
A: Are you asking us how to make more money?
Q: (L) Yeah!
A: My dear Laura! You are already in position of literally thousands
possibilities to accomplish that end, are you not?
Q: (L) Everything takes money!
A: There goes that prejudice again. We have given much food for
thought in that
area to help you to learn, to contemplate, to meditate.
Q: (L) It is rather difficult to do that when one is worried.
A: That is interesting. You can’t meditate or contemplate when you
about your next meal. I guess then that this means that no one on
third density has ever been able to contemplate or meditate while
worrying what was going to be eaten at the next meal. Hmmmmmm.
Q: (L) The point is that a constant state of worry, another crisis
every day, the perpetual worry, eventually wears a person down to
the point where one can no longer focus on any other issues.
A: Perhaps one can solve the crises by focusing on other issues? You
you constrict the flow, you constrict the channel. And when you
channel, you close down possibilities. And, you make it difficult,
impossible for you to see that which is there. In other words, the
becomes oblivious because of constriction of the flow. This is why
recommended against all rituals, because ritual restricts the flow,
restricting the possibilities. And, what you are describing is a
“dire straits,” as you call it, and financial pressures of great
is restricting you. But actually, it is your concentration on same
restricting, not the situation itself. And we realize that it is
you to focus your attentions, or, more importantly to open up the
flow of the
channel. But, it is certainly not impossible. Especially for an
strong as yourself. It is what you choose to do, not what you MUST
do. It is what you CHOOSE to do.
Q: (L) So, you are saying that this situation is a result of my own
constriction, rather than as a result of attack?
A: No, the situation can be a result of anything or any numbers of
the sought after resolution to it may be impeded by your own choice
to concentrate on the problem, rather than opening up the channels
to seek the solution. We never suggested that you were solely
responsible for creating your own financial situation, only that you
may be partially responsible for preventing a resolution to the
problem, that is all.
Q: (L) Is that also the case with Freddie?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) Anything further on that subject? You say ‘opening the
A: And not concentrating on the problem, but rather the solution by
flow. The answers come to you when you open the flow.
Q: (L) And what might that answer be?
A: That is for you to discover!
Q: (L) That’s what I thought.
(T) What is the cosmic wheel?
A: Cosmic wheel? Whatever gave you the idea that there was a “cosmic
Q: (T) It was just something that popped into my head awhile ago.
A: Well, our best suggestion is: when anything pops into your head,
to follow it
as far as you can, because therein lies your answer. Do you not do
Q: (T) As far as I can...
A: As far as you can? What prevents you from doing that?
Q: (T) Well, thank you for your answers tonight.
A: Have you then answered your own question?
Q: (T) Several of them. Thank you.
A: You are most welcome.
End of Session
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