June 6, 1995
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
(F) Don’t ask me! (L) Hello!
A: Hello. Azoref from Cassiopaea.
Q: (L) Who was it that said stop?
Q: (L) There was static?
Q: (L) What was the source of the static?
A: Not important, static always present to some degree.
Q: (L) I want to ask some fairly quick questions.
Q: (L) With whom were we communicating on Saturday night?
Q: (L) Was there any corruption in Saturday night’s session?
Q: (L) Well, I am not looking for a maybe. I felt somewhat offended
by the atmosphere that was generated. We had guests and it was
A: If corrupted, came from 3rd level.
Q: (L) Can you only identify the corruption that comes from your
Q: (L) Was there an element of... I don’t want to lead here... my
impression was that the group was in a state of tension, is this
Q: (L) Why?
A: Jan was unhappy because of guests.
Q: (L) Why?
A: Not notified ahead.
Q: (L) Well, I expected Jan and Terry to arrive early enough to tell
them and I
was saving it until then as a surprise, but they came late so I just
figured things could happen as they happened.
A: Jan feels you should keep her “abreast.”
Q: (L) Well, essentially, that is how things have been done, but, at
time, a lot of things happen spontaneously. If it wasn’t long
distance, I would probably keep her more ‘abreast’ as you say. And,
besides, I am a big girl. I don’t need another mother. Freddie and I
have been doing what we do, more or less directed by our own inner
urgings for close to four years now. I don’t think we should fix it
if it isn’t broken!
A: No need for explanation, just answered question for you.
Q: (L) Well, I felt a little strange when I was accused by Jan of
for our guests, and then the channel reflected this same attitude.
What’s the story here?
A: If there is strong prejudice by any member or members of level
participants it may cause messages to be altered at the point of
Q: (L) Well, then that must be what Jan feels. But, what she doesn’t
that it was important to me for ALL of us to appear in our best
light and that what we are doing to be seen as intelligent and
professional. I mean, I didn’t ask to be picked for the Times
series. But, at the same time, I have certainly paid my dues and
worked very hard for a very long time. And, Freddie and I have sat
here for almost four years in a dedicated and open way when no one
else would bother to participate. And that is not even considering
the 20 or so years before this that I have obssessively pushed for a
breakthrough. I mean, it’s not like I just woke up one day and said:
“I think we will channel the Cassiopaeans today and go out and find
a Times Reporter to write about it!” I spent a lot of time preparing
questions and it seemed that whatever was making it through the
“prejudiced channel” did not even want to deal with questions that
were quite similar to many we have asked in the past—so it seems
that the prejudice came through toward me in a specific way.
Q: (L) Well, if people can be so easily subjected to prejudice and
thinking, would that not be considered psychic attack?
A: Result of. Careful not to make hasty moves based upon events
which may be
transitory in nature.
Q: (L) Well, I feel like we have all been under attack...
A: Attack does not emanate from Terry and Jan.
Q: (L) Well, the whole session seems ruined. Even the answer about
the lights in the sky was verifiably wrong. You have said that the
channel is “grooved” and cannot be corrupted, yet obviously wrong
answers were given, and it seems that you are saying that the attack
is “through” Terry and Jan and the garbled emotions they are
Q: (L) Well, even the answer about the lights in the sky. Mars is
120 degrees away from Jupiter... the answers given to Tom and Cherie
may have been based on this “prejudice” as you call it... Tom and
Cherie were upset by this, I was upset... the whole thing was very
upsetting! I need some help here!
A: Patience pays!
Q: (L) Well, do Freddie and I have any strong prejudices right now
creating any corruption?
Q: (L) Well, what about Tom and Cherie’s article?
A: 20 or 30 months.
Q: (L) What about the Times being taken over?
A: Eventually will happen.
Q: (L) Is it imminent?
A: Define imminent.
Q: (L) Within twelve months?
A: Not likely, but possible.
Q: (L) What is the source of the attack on Terry and Jan? If their
emotions are being attacked, I don’t think it would be possible to
get a clear answer to this question with them present...
Q: (L) What about the information about Tom’s grandfather’s watch?
A: Open, if concerned, suggest new session.
Q: (L) Well, that whole thing just left me with a bad taste in my
mouth. V__ wants to attend soon. Is that alright?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Well, V__ has a lot of “prejudices” which could restrict the
Is this correct?
Q: (L) You understand that I am trying to protect what Freddie and I
so hard and long to achieve...
A: Of course.
Q: (L) And, I am trying to protect the integrity of the information,
and I am
trying to protect the reputation of the information. And, if we
invite somebody who is, for God’s sake, a newspaper reporter, and
somebody can come in and blow the whole session with attitude or
prejudice, no matter what the source... do you see my point here?
A: Yes. Suggest Tom and Cherie attend smaller session.
Q: (L) Well, what am I going to do?
A: Follow your instincts, but strongly suggest patience, or attack
Q: (L) Oh! So, this is a very subtle and concerted effort to break
Q: (L) Well, even without the attack syndrome, we all have very
personalities and there seems to be a control issue going on here
A: Part of attack!
Q: (L) Well, how long is this attack going to continue?
A: Open according to learning cycle length.
Q: (L) Should we temporarily suspend the sessions?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Would the attack end sooner if we do not suspend the
Q: (L) Would it help to end the attack if I did suspend the
A: Less likely.
Q: (L) Okay, that’s the clue. We shall just carry on.
A: Yes. Goodbye.
End of Session
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June 9, 1995
Freddie and Laura
Q: (L) Is that your name?
Q: (L) I like Z names. Where are you from?
Q: (L) I have several questions tonight. Are you open for questions?
Q: (L) The first one is: On Tuesday night, I did a spirit release on
a fellow named V__ M__. It seemed to get a little rough. What type
of entity were we dealing with?
Q: (L) What density level?
Q: (L) Was I successful in freeing V__ from this domination?
Q: (L) Is that STS entity gone for at least this time?
A: From direct attachment.
Q: (L) Is that entity going to try to return?
Q: (L) Does V__ have further attachments at this time?
Q: (L) So, the next session it will be a cake-walk?
Q: (L) Will it be possible for me to release the attachments to his
at a distance?
Q: (L) Should I attempt it?
Q: (L) Is there anything about V__ I should know?
Q: (L) Violette is worried about her living situation. She was
tried to send light into the apartment near her because the people
there are very negative. She felt like something slammed back her.
She would like to know what this was?
A: Violette seeks protection, but does not promote it.
Q: (L) Was it karmically an error to direct light into someone
space without their permission?
Q: (L) Would it have been better to just surround herself with
Q: (L) When I do the next spirit release with V__, would it be
alright to have
Tom and Cherie present?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) What about their “prejudices?”
Q: (L) I went to the doctor for the final check-up. When can I
settlement and how much?
Q: (L) Well, how much?
A: Worry not, we have instructed you to have faith in such matters.
valuable energy is wasted, and besides, “a watched pot never boils!”
Q: (L) Well, the thing about that is that I wonder if you guys were
behind that whole accident thing in order to provide funds to me...
A: Maybe. So have faith!
Q: (L) It is not a lack of faith, just curiosity!
A: Which killed the cat!
Q: (L) But satisfaction brought him back!
A: Oh yeah?
Q: (L) Yeah! And, when I get satisfied I feel good all over! Is the
attack still going on?
A: Most likely.
Q: (L) I read in a book about a monster called the “Beast of de
Beauvan which appeared first in 1764 and was supposedly done away
with in 1767. Who or what was this beast?
A: Other dimensional “window faller.”
Q: (L) You mean it fell into our dimension from another through a
Q: (L) Well, that would explain a lot of things about it. What about
the creature known as “Spring Heel Jack” who terrorized England some
Q: (L) What about the Mothman in West Virginia?
Q: (L) So, windows to other dimensions are the explanation for a
whole host of strange things?
Q: (L) Why is Arielle so afraid of sleeping in her own bed lately?
A: Simple blossoming of awareness and consciousness evolvement.
Q: (L) Why is Freddie so tired lately?
Q: (L) Is there anything I can do to help?
A: Let it “run its course,” karmic in nature.
Q: (L) Well, Freddie has such a lovely aura, how can he have such
A: Not “icky” karma, has to do with adjustment factors.
Q: (L) As soon as he adjusts in some way, he will stop having these
A: Not point.
Q: (L) What is the point. I mean, he is suffering. It is awful to
have to spend so much time suffering.
A: Adjustment process.
Q: (L) What is he adjusting from to?
A: Not to be answered at this point.
Q: (L) Edgar Cayce said you could just stop karma at any point by
opening your awareness and making a decision. Why can’t Freddie do
that? Can anybody do that? Can you just say: “I’ve had enough,” and
A: No, because not usual circumstance.
Q: (L) Is Freddie’s karma “special” karma?
A: Subjective. Different.
Q: (L) Different from the usual. Is there any thing that he could do
to make it better? Any clue? Any word of encouragement?
A: Won’t change until environment does.
Q: (L) Do you mean the environment as in the whole planet, or his
Q: (L) Does this mean he is going to have this until we all go to
A: Until status quo is abridged.
Q: (L) What is the status quo?
A: Self explanatory.
Q: (L) So, it doesn’t mean going into 4th density necessarily, but
status quo of the planet is abridged, or some change occurs in the
Q: (L) So, when some sweeping changes in the status quo of the
planet occur, Freddie will “come into his own?” Is that correct?
Q: (L) Is this going to happen soon?
Q: (L) I couldn’t help myself! Thank you so much!
[Definition of status quo: the existing state of affairs.
Abridged: to lessen, reduce in scope; lessen or curtail rights or
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June 10, 1995
Freddie Direct Channeling, Laura, SV, Terry and Jan [Laura induces
hypnotic trance in Freddie]
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: We are not a single entity; as always, that’s not changed.
Q: (L) Is anyone in particular representing, or do you prefer to not
A: Well it brings up an interestin point because in your previous
the board, we’ve noticed that you tend to refer to us as though we
were a single entity. In actuality, that is not the correct way of
thinking of us. We are multiple entities in union with each other
with a singular voice when communicating with you.
Q: (L) We are all gathered here this evening for this experiment to
discover if we can receive information through this method as
opposed to the board method. Is there anything we can do to enhance
the use of this particular method?
A: Define enhance, please.
Q: (L) Is there anything we can do to make the channel more
comfortable, anything to do to make the induction more effective?
A: Is it not effective at this point?
Q: (L) Yes, it seems to be effective, but if there is anything we
can or should do to make it better, we would like to know what it
is. Any particular induction process that would work better than
another aside from getting the numbers straight.
A: That is not necessary at this time.
Q: (L) Okay, then can we begin addressing questions?
Q: (L) The first question I have is concerning last Saturday night’s
which nobody seems to have been happy with. We would like to
understand why the information seemed to be so garbled and distorted
and, quite frankly, incorrect.
A: What makes you feel it was incorrect?
Q: (L) Because one of the answers was that what I was seeing outside
planet Mars. It could not have been the planet Mars because Mars was
120 degrees away from the planet Jupiter.
A: Perhaps the question was posed in such a way as to receive that
Suggest you check the material more closely.
Q: (L) It was also said that the children were seeing airplanes and
When I went out, what I saw was most definitely not a helicopter or
and was only ten degrees away from the planet Jupiter, and was a
light. Can you tell me what I saw?
A: Well, if you desire to believe that what you saw was something
other than any response given, that’s perfectly acceptable. But, when inquiring
upon such things as visual reference, one must be prepared for any
and all answers.
Q: (L) That seems to be rather evasive.
A: Evasiveness may also indicate a desire to help one learn about
Q: (L) What I saw out there was not an airplane or a helicopter; it
was also not the planet Mars. Whatever it was, it was not there the
following night or any night subsequent to that. Therefore, it was
some sort of object that wasn’t of a sort that we usually see, and
it baffles me as to why it would be conducive to learning for me
A: May we ask a question?
Q: (L) Sure.
A: When seeking to identify visual reference, would it not be wise
to be patient
with the outcome of the analysis?
Q: (L) Well, sure.
A: You state that what you saw was not a plane or a helicopter. We
interested to know how you can be certain of that?
Q: (L) Because I
stood and watched it for a considerable period of time and it never
A: Does that indicate that it was not a helicopter?
Q: (L) Yes, because even helicopters, when they hover, there is some
lateral or horizontal movement or motion, and they also have
different kinds of lights on them. They don’t sit there and look
like a single, large, reddish orange, glowing light that pulsates .
A: Okay, well all of these various...
Q: (L) Could you speak more loudly and clearly?
A: We will try to accommodate your request, however circumstances may
that completely possible. Remember, we are using a different mode
which requires cooperation of physical capability and other factors.
Q: (L) Okay. Do you have any further remarks to make about the
session last Saturday?
A: No. If you have any questions or further comments?
Q: (L) Anybody else have any further questions about it?
(T) Did Tom
understand the information that you gave him last week?
A: Could you specify, please?
Q: (T) At the end of the session you spoke to Tom about his
university learning and about his work and about the company that he
works for and that there was a possibility of takeover in the
not-too-distant future. Do you feel that Tom understood what you
were talking about?
A: Tom understood the message given, but was resisting the
information, which is
Q: (T) What about Cherie? Did she understand?
A: Certainly to the extent that was necessary for her level of
Q: (L) Which is?
A: That is a vague question. That is difficult to answer properly,
understand, we do not mean to criticize, but objectivity is
necessary for progress with these sessions. When you state a
question asking if a subject’s level of development is sufficient,
that is subjective because who is to determine what is sufficient
and what isn’t? All are at different levels of development. Do you
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Now, if the question is: “Is Cherie’s level of development
relative to others
present, greater or lesser,” the answer would naturally be lesser.
Which should not be surprising because the exposure level has been
lesser. The same is true for the subject referred to as Tom French.
The exposure level has been to a lesser degree there, too, so
therefore, naturally, the understanding level is lower, relatively
Q: (L) In a previous session, comments were made regarding
and you gave us a rather cryptic remark, and I quote: “learn 4th
assembly.” Could you tell us what 4th level assembly is?
A: That is a fragmented question. The response to the question you
referring to is adequate. However, turning it around and posing a
question with no further data to compare it to is not adequate. If
you would, please, we ask that you build your question up more
carefully. Do you understand?
Q: (L) Yes, and I don’t have that
particular segment of the transcript in hand so I am at a loss as to
how to build the question up.
(T) Is that particular subject
something that we can work with through the board, or is it too
complex a set of answers for the board to handle?
A: The problem is never the method. The problem is merely caretaking
in discussion, learning, or a question and answer session. For example,
if one seeks an answer to a complex question, one must be patient
for the absorption of information is most important and missing any
part of it will cause the entire answer to be misunderstood or
incomplete. Therefore, any method can be used for receiving
knowledge about complicated issues, however, patience is the key,
otherwise the information will not be properly absorbed.
Q: (L) We
have been looking to make contact with a fourth density individual
as we were advised and we would like to know if there are any
specific ways or means that we can go about seeking out this
individual, and how would we recognize said individual if we found
A: All of that will fall into place when the situation is right for
Q: (T) At the time of that session you advised us that we needed to
find this 4th density individual. Are you now saying that...
A: The message given was merely to prepare for eventuality.
is important because it is protection. Think of it also as a
foundation for progression to further knowledge and experience.
Therefore, gaining of knowledge can sometimes best be facilitated by
giving information which prepares one for more important events in
Q: (T) I believe so. The context of that
transmission was that we were under attack and it would be best to
facilitate, as I understood the information, to finding this
individual. Is the level of attack not that sufficient that we need
an immediate intervention by this individual, but that the timing
will come on its own, in the future, as we reference time, that this
individual will contact us?
A: All of that statement was correct with the exception of the very
The individual is not necessarily going to contact you. Most
important element of the experience has been the foundation that the
original statement allowed. In other words, you are now prepared for
the eventual meeting of one of a 4th density STO nature, and because
the information was given, you are, in fact, aware of the
possibility of this occurring. Therefore, you are more on the
look-out for those individuals who may fit that profile, and they
are prevalent in your midst, though you were not fully aware of that
prior to the information being given.
Q: (L) Are these 4th density STO individuals what is currently being
talked about in many circles as “angels?”
Q: (L) Are there, as is being talked about widely, such beings as
A: Yes, but they are not of the 4th density.
Q: (L) What is an angel?
A: Sixth density light being in service to others.
Q: (L) Do they appear as humans?
A: May appear as a human projection.
Q: (L) Are they appearing as often as it is conjectured they are at
this time period?
A: That is a vague question.
Q: (L) Is it possible for other density STS beings to appear as and
project themselves as angels and to be misnamed or mistaken for
Q: (L) Is this happening to a certain extent?
A: Very likely. Deception is part of any and all processes directed
manipulation of others for purposes of self gain. And, as we have
of the 4th density service to self nature are interested solely in
their own advancement, gain or condition, and will facilitate any
and all processes which will further this cause including deception
of the nature described.
Q: (T) Going back with the 4th density
beings that we are interacting with without knowing it yet, now that
we are becoming aware of it. Can I be right in the assumption that
because they are aware of us which you indicated in that session,
and what you have said so far this evening about them, that even
though we may not be interacting directly with them, they are, in
fact, helping us without our knowing it?
A: Who said that you are not interacting with them directly?
Q: (T) Okay, let me phrase that dif...
(J) We are interact...
are not aware that we are interacting with 4th density beings, we
still see them as just humans cause we don’t know which one...
We don’t recognize...
(T) We don’t recognize them yet. Can I assume
that they, if necessary, they are assisting us already?
A: Think carefully, now, do you really not recognize them?
Q: (T) Well, I am trying to become more aware of the people I
interact with on a daily basis.
A: Are you not more aware already?
Q: (L) What’s the criteria for being a 4th density STO being?
Yeah, what’s the profile? You mentioned profile before.
A: It depends on what your definition of profile is.
Q: (J) Profile would be a list of criteria, a checklist, if you
(L) What do they look like, are they this tall, or ...
they look like that?
(L) Do they have any special abilities in
manipulating 3rd density reality...
A: Perhaps so, but there may be restrictions as to use of such.
Q: (L) Why would there be restrictions?
(J) 4th and 5th...
A: Service to Others orientation means service to others. Usage of
powers or abilities, if you will, can cause disruption to those who
do not possess these powers or abilities. Also, remember, a 4th
density being inhabiting 3rd density, is not inhabiting their own
density level, therefore they are in, if you will, foreign
territory, which requires, for many reasons which will not be
completely described here, that they do not do anything that brings
attention to themselves.
Q: (J) You have also said that about 4th density STOs it is
difficult for them to maintain in 3rd density.
(T) No, STS.
(J) What’s the difference?
A: The difference is an STO orientation tends to expand one’s state
of being, STS tends to contract one’s state of being.
Q: (L) Are you saying that association with this kind of person can
be expanding to the individuals associating with same?
A: Well, that is true, but that is not what the statement meant.
Q: (L) I know, I was just taking it a little further. And,
association with an STS...
(T) Now, you say we are already
interacting with these 4th density beings?
Q: (J) And that we may be aware of it...
A: Statement was rather a question, do you feel that you are not
with 4th density STO individuals? It was a rhetorical question
demanding reflection on your part. Your statements in return
indicated the possibility did exist that you were. That was all.
Q: (L) Okay. The possibility does exist and this is just to make us
aware and keep our eyes open.
(J) Can you give us any kind of an
indication of a way to recognize such beings?
A: No, what we ask you to do now is ask yourself, and you may use us
as a, if
you will, sounding board for your discussion, to determine how one
may recognize a 4th density STO individual, which will help you to
learn, which will help you to progress, and so on.
Q: (L) Would a 4th denstiy STO being be someone who was born in this
the normal way? ***********************************
A: You are still asking a question. What we are asking you to do
instead is ask
yourselves, discuss and come up with the answer.
Q: (T) Well, a Service to Others Being would be someone who is,
first off, in
service to others. That would be a major indicator.
A: Correct. This is the correct way to go about discovering the
answer to this
question rather than demanding all of the answers of us. You have
the capabilities to pull the answers from within. We are more than
happy to assist, but out goal is to help you strengthen yourselves
for future use, if you will. It all helps one to advance and
progress. All there is is lessons. It’s all learning. Therefore, the
quickest, the strongest way to learn is to use your own capabilities
to that end. Asking us questions is certainly permitted, and
helpful, but trying to seek all of the information from this
particular source, in the long run, may be detrimental. Now, if you
will continue, please...
Q: (L) Well, my idea was that a STO individual would not be someone
who was born
in the normal way because there would be too great a risk of such an
individual losing themselves in the illusion. Therefore, my thought
is that a STO being would be somebody who had, maybe, some mystery
about their past; or some...
(J) How would we even know that unless
we were standing there when they were born or not born...
have to consider what we would observe...
(L) Well, maybe they would
be somebody who wouldn’t talk about their childhood?
(T) Not even
that... in a group setting or a passing acquaintance we would have
to be aware of how they act. How they speak. What kind of compassion
(J) What kind of feeling you get from them...
it wouldn’t so much be a physical thing as an awareness... a
(L) But, on the other hand the thing about feeling is
that negative entities can counterfeit feelings or control your
feelings and they might induce a negative feeling when you are in
the presence of a positive individual just to throw you off track.
That would be entirely part of the deception process, wouldn’t you
think? I mean, we all know...
(J) It’s been that way...
(T) But it’s
something we have to learn account... that’s part of the learning
(L) So, we can’t just say that we could feel it...
have you interacted with in the last six months who was outward
going, caring giving, offering to do things, to go places, to...
(L) Well, just the members of this group as far as I can see
and that is limited in many ways...
(J) Yeah, that’s true...
Well, maybe one of us is the being. Maybe one of us is a fourthe
(L) Well, don’t you think we would know it?
(T) Not really. Not if one of us is a fourth density being and has
decided that it is not yet time to enter into the dialogue.
Could it not even be...
(T) We have to...
(J) that they are not
aware of it?
(T) They are aware ...remember, the Cassiopaeans told
us that they are aware of us... they know about us already as a
group... they know what we are doing. Maybe not all of them, but
those who we need to talk with or need to know already know about
(L) Well, in general, I have to say that most of the people I
have interacted with in the last year or two have been one
experience after another of...
(J) Pure STS...
(L) Yeah. I mean, it
has been like a learning thing for me to go and...
(T) Who of those
people has offered to do something for you as opposed to taking from
you? We are not looking at a whole lot of beings. We are looking at
maybe one or two out of the total number that are here that are
going to assist us. Or, that we can go to for assistance...
can’t say anybody outside the group. I mean, there have been people
who have offered to do this or that, but the price they expected me
to pay was a little too high or I found out that they were not
telling the truth...
(J) Well, then, that is obviously...
assume that people mean what they say and...
(T) Let me ask a
question... do all 4th density beings that are here on the planet at
this time know that they are 4th density beings? Are they aware of
who they are and what they are?
A: Well, that is an interesting question because it leads to another
Are all 4th density STO beings of the same nature, physically,
psychically, spiritually, et cetera?
Q: (J) In other words, is there a connection?
A: No, that is not the point being given. The point being given is:
all of the same orientation? Or is it possible that they are of
Q: (T) Orientation... how so?
A: Physical nature, spiritual nature, psychic nature, awareness of
Q: (T) Just off the top of my head I would have to say that no, they
would all be different because they are all different beings to
(L) So, they could be short and dark, tall and blond...
(J) I don’t think that physicality has anything to do with it...
One of the things I have always felt is that when we are dealing
with, in this case, the being we were told to be looking out for was
(L) Nordic type...
(J) No, we said Nordic...
you speak of Orions in New Age and Ufology circles, they
automatically flash on the Nordic type... the Aryan, blue-eyed
blonde. But that is not necessarily what all Orions look like...
that would only be one manifestation. They will not all look the
same... they will not look like Semjase from the Pleiadians... they
are not all going to look like Fabio, or something because they are
going to try to blend into human society across the planet... they
can’t all look alike. I had a thought that they not only would not
look all the same in that type of physical nature, but they would
also look different ages in order to blend into whatever setting
they were using. In other words, they could be 95 years old or look
95 years old if that is where they felt they needed to be... in
finding out who they were. Am I anywhere close to an idea here?
A: Now, the point of our response a while back was to make you aware
tools that you possess for discovering the answer or answers to your
question or questions regarding awareness and identification of 4th
density STO beings in your midst, or the possibility of same. And,
we have observed that you have made some small progress toward that
end. However, one problem that has, if you will, cropped up, is that
you have now scattered or separated into two divergent thought
patterns on the same subject. We suggest that you reorient yourselve
so that your questions, goals or objectives to be answered are one
and the same.
Q: (T) Okay.
(J) Well, we started off asking are all
of them aware of state and then we went off into what do they look
like and how to recognize them...
(T) Well, physically, I believe
that they would all look different in order to blend. They can’t all
be the same.
(SV) Would they be aware that they are a 4th density
(J) Yeah, that’s, that’s...
(T) Awareness, the Cassiopaeans
have indicated that the awareness may be at different levels.
A: Maybe at different levels, but, more importantly, the orientation
of a 4th
density STO being or beings may be of a different nature.
Q: (L) Do
you mean orientation not in terms of STO versus STS, but orientation
A: Nature of physicality, spirituality, psychic ability or
Q: (L) So, orientation means that they could be a Baptist...
Q: (T) Spiritual attainment levels... they may be very psychic or
they may not be psychic at all...
A: No. You are on the wrong path...
Q: (L) What do you mean by orientation?
A: Nature of being, physically, spiritually, psychically...
Q: (J) They might not be human?
A: That is one possibility. But, there are many others. And, the
matter, or the definition of subject matters can be a cross
reference. For example have you not heard of the popular written
work by one referred to as Ruth Montgomery, known as “Strangers
Q: (T) Yes.
A: And what does that written work detail?
Q: (L) Isn’t that the one that is about “Walk-Ins?” (J) I was just
going to ask about walk-ins.
(SV) No, that’s different.
(T) No, it’s
not about walk-ins.
(SV) This is about aliens that are here, living
amongst us... it could be the butcher, the cashier... I read it so
(T) There’s a series of them; she has five or six books.
A: You have the written works confused.
Q: (L) Which one is this?
A: Strangers among us refers to the phenomenon identified by Ruth
Q: (L) But, you have said in previous sessions that this rarely
A: Rare is relative.
Q: (SV) Ruth Montgomery also said that sometimes walk-ins don’t
realize who or what they are.
A: Rare also may be transitory in nature.
Q: (J) You mean walk in and walk back out again?
A: No. Frequency is not necessarily static according to the time
line, as you
Q: (T) I have not done a lot of research on walk-ins, what is the
definition of a walk-in?
A: A walk-in, as described by Ruth Montgomery, is a soul that has
chosen to take
over the body that was vacated by another soul that has chosen, at
some level of awareness, to depart for varying reasons. In this way,
a higher level entity can enter into the body that was previously
occupied by a different level entity, in the form of a soul, that is
Q: (T) A fourth level soul can then enter the body of a third level?
A: Or perhaps a fourth level soul... remember, as we have described
before, levels one through four, more appropriately density levels
one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you
refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these
density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were,
in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density
levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for
contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is
the first level where short wave cycly recycling is no longer
necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore,
all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical
body at all times when in physical state. And, therefore,
reincarnation of various types, is at various points on the short
wave cycle always possible, and, in fact, quite probable. Do you
Q: (T) Somewhat. That’s a lot to digest.
(J) So, physicality is
involved in levels one through four short wave recycling.
this means that a fourth density being can recycle through fifth
density into a third density body?
A: That is one method that can be used, yes.
Q: (L) Can it also be that they can come directly from fourth
density into a third density body, just as one of the options?
Q: (T) As a walk in.
(L) And either could be considered a walk in?
A: That is correct.
Q: (T) I’m going off on a tangent on what we have been discussing
here... what happens to the soul that’s in the body that the walk in
takes over? Where does that go?
A: Most likely to the fifth level for recycling and contemplation.
Q: (T) And then returns?
A: Returns, yes.
Q: (L) So, in other words it would behoove us to get this book,
reread it to get a clue here... is this advisable?
A: That, of course, is up to you.
Q: (L) We can’t keep him under much longer...
(T) To be aware of a
A: This is putting the subject under physical stress, more than in
Q: (T) Can any of us be put into a trance under these conditions so
that you can
use us as a vehicle?
A: That is certainly possible but there are varying degrees of
depending on the individual being used.
Q: (T) Would I make a good relief subject?
A: Again, we ask you to please try to refrain from subjective
as it is nearly impossible for us to give adequate answers.
Q: (T) I guess it is something we would learn ourselves by trying
(L) Okay, we’ll get this book and find out what we can from
(T) Has anybody else encountered anyone that they have felt
an infinity toward who seems to be an open and giving person?
find many people that...
(J) I had an interesting conversation today
with Mary B...
(T) We had an interesting experience with Brad
(L) I would like to ask about Victor before we wrap it up.
At any point in time, were Freddie and I in any danger?
A: Please, be more specific.
Q: (L) At any point in time was there any danger of Freddie or I
attached, or in any way molested by the entity that was attached to
or attacking Victor?
A: Well, this possibly would be a danger under normal circumstances,
however the knowledge that you have already gained through contact and
communication with us as well as your own efforts makes it less of a
danger for you than perhaps most others. But, it certainly is true,
that there was some interaction there which possibly could have
proved to have been less than desirable in its results.
Q: (L) Is there any further attachment of that nature or of that
order with this
A: It certainly is a possibility.
Q: (L) If I did another session with him, would it be safe to have
do not have the knowledge I have?
A: Well, again, we regret having to continue to answer questions
with what you
may believe are evasive maneuvers, but it is important to have
discussing matters such as this, and therefore, we must ask that you
to be as specific as possible when asking the questions. For
example, when you
say: “Is it safe to have observers,” this implies that if there is a
safety present, there may be a calamity of some sort resulting from
this, and then one must ask what sort of calamity is acceptable and
what sort is not. This is why we ask that you please be specific.
And, we are not trying to irritate you, merely trying to help.
Q: (L) Alright, specifically: Does Victor M. have another heavy duty
like the one we dealt with the other night?
A: It is certainly possible that the one you describe as Victor M.
have entities around him that could be described as attachments.
Q: (L) And, if I do another release with him...
(T) Would it be wise
for her to
have someone else there in case it gets out of hand again?
you feel the necessity for it, then do it...
A: Well, all we offer to this subject is that, perhaps it would be
wise for more
care to be taken in matters such as this when possibilities do exist
for complications, than has been taken up to this point. That is
probably the best way to answer that question, as we do not wish to
hinder development and experience or to improperly steer experience
when it is necessary for development. But, it possibly could be
helpful to suggest more caution.
Q: (T) A point to be taken: now that you are aware of what could
(T) that you know now whats...
things are gettin more intense with these spirit release sessions,
especially you know that it would behoove you to have someone else
there that is awake and conscious... someone, in addition... don’t
do it alone anymore...
(J) Yes, definitely...
(T) And make sure that
the person who is with you knows what is going on...
(L) And that is
going to be the tough one because there are very few people who know
what the heck is going on...
(T) Knowledge protects...
(L) I mean,
the only people who have a clue in this area are the people in this
(T) You knew this was coming by the way things had been
going and this was the one that really did it.
(J) It was good...
(T) You need to have someone else in the room with you.
A: Let us stop you right there. Do you not see how discussion, and,
as we have
frequently referred to it, “Networking,” is an extremely valuable
Q: (L) Now, it does seem to me, that through no real drive on my own
have been moved like a chess piece throughout my life, to the point
where, at various intervals, I have interacted with spiritual
entities. And each interaction has been progressively more complex
than the previous interaction.
And, it seems that a lot of this has led up to doing the exorcism
release work. Now, during that particular session, it occurred to me
that this is really kind of an unpleasant work, and at the same time
I understand that not many people can do it. It scares me. I am just
wondering if this is something I continue doing or is it okay if I
(T) That’s up to you...
(J) Up to you, Laura...
we are doing here, even though the effects that have been described
as the culmination of the work, its ongoing in other places, it
isn’t going to happen for many years. But, the learning process had
to start some time. This learning process might be very important in
the coming times...
(L) You mean doing spirit release?
(T) Not only the spirit release, but the channeling... to start
doing this on down the road would probably be too late... it’s going
to take several years to really understand what is going on and be
able to handle oneself in the situations that may arise...
A: The most notable comment we have is that we are happy to see
progressing more freely... and what a tremendous amount of learning
takes place in interaction and sharing of ideas, notions, feelings.
It does tend to advance learning and also a more grooved type of
learning, and we have talked about “grooving” before indicating a
channel or a pathway which leads more clearly to a desired goal, and
therefore, we are pleased to see this progress being made and hope
that our participation has helped to facilitate this process.
Q: (J) We’re learning.
(T) Your participation is what has made it
(J) I see you as a facilitator.
(SV) One thing that
Laura said about her fear during the exorcism the other night. It
was fear that opened Victor up to attack. If she experiences fear
would this also open her up to the same sort of attack?
A: That is a vague complex of ideas...
Q: (J) She had awareness along with the fear. Victor did not have
I think that is the difference.
(L) I hope so.
(T) The point is, you
have now reached the point where you know you cannot continue doing
this by yourself.
(T) The intensity is getting physically
dangerous. The last thing you need is to have the cops knocking on
the door or kicking the door in and finding bodies laying around!
But, the work you are doing is important... it helps other people.
The subject is not going to be aware of what is happening.
(T) But, the people you are going to have to involve
in this from here out are going to have to be aware of what they are
getting into. They have to know the level of intensity, the severity
of what is going on and the implied danger.
(J) Yeah, and aside from
the people in this room, how many know that?
(T) Opening up people’s
subconscious and letting it out... you never know what’s going to
come crawling out of there.
(J) Yeah... it’s opening up Pandora’s
box every time! (T) What happens the next time you do this with a
subject and the subject turns out to be an STS walk in that doesn’t
know what they are yet?
(T) What do you do with that? You
don’t want to be alone with it. And, Freddie, in a trance state,
unable to defend himself physically, and have something like that
come crawling out.
(L) You’re right. It can’t be done like that
again, but there is so much need right... I think we have to bring
Freddie up here. We want to thank you for your presence tonight
unless you have something further to say.
A: Not unless you have further questions.
Q: (L) Well, we have plenty of questions but Freddie has been down
and we have to bring him up. We would like you to leave some
positive effects, perhaps in the form of suggestions, for his
A: We would suggest that you be aware of the fact that the subject
channel and, as such, we are in constant communication with each
other, as it were. This we have told you before, therefore, you need
not worry about the course of destiny of this particular subject. Do
Q: (L) I understand, but I also am the one who watches him go
and I would like to see that alleviated for him as much as possible.
A: We understand your care and concern, but it may also be true that
torments are a precursor to explosive developments that would not be
possible without the “torments” occurring.
Q: (T) We would like to thank you for your assistance.
A: You are most welcome.
Q: (L) We will release then. Good night.
End of Session
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June 17, 1995
Channeling, Laura, SV, Terry and Jan
Q: (L) When the connection is
completed, please indicate by saying “I am ready.” [Pause] Are you
Q: (L) Okay, we do have questions and I think Terry will start us
off this evening.
(T) How did FDR die?
A: Due to a cerebral hemorrhage.
Q: (T) It was a natural death, then?
A: Yes. All death is natural.
Q: (T) It was not a death contrived by someone else?
A: We don’t understand the reference.
Q: (T) He wasn’t assassinated in some way?
Q: (L) What about Pope John Paul I? The pope who served for one
month? Please speak as loudly and clearly as possible.
A: It is the comfort of the subject being used as channel or conduit
that is the
most important factor in clear speaking and increase of volume. This
can be a more useful method for channeling information if all
circumstances are optimal levels.
Q: (L) What else can we do for comfort?
A: Placement of object to right of subject’s head is somewhat
inhibiting flow of
energy. Please place some form of sustaining object or brace to the
left subject’s head.
Q: [Adjustments made] (SV) Is that better?
(J) I reccomend you get
him settled before he even goes into trance.
(L) I would but he is
so hard headed he won’t listen to my suggestions. He says “I’m
fine,” but then he isn’t. Back to the question, what caused the
death of the Pope, John Paul I.
A: Unfortunately, as has been indicated by us before, sometimes you
questions that we will not be able to answer for you. Not because
the answers are unknown, but rather because knowing the answers
could prove harmful to you.
Q: (T) Well, that is an answer in
itself. He didn’t die naturally.
A: Speculation is harmless when compared to irrefutable, confirmed
Q: (L) Okay, Susan had a question that we discussed earlier this
week as to what is taking place when craft that are described to be
belonging to “aliens” begin to strobe as opposed to pulsating or
merely blinking or other configurations. In other words, what are
the different configurations of light emanations and what do they
A: It is interesting when you pose multiple questions. Please choose
Q: (L) Is there something indicated by a UFO as to its condition or
proposed activity when it changes its light emanation?
A: That is a confusing thought pattern.
Q: (L) Okay, say a specific UFO is seen. When it is first seen it
metallic. In a bit it begins to glow with light of some or another
color. Then, after a few minutes of glowing, it begins to strobe -
flashing a very bright light. What could this indicate?
A: We do not mean to be difficult, but the term “Strobe” is still
clear to us. That seems to be an artificial construction of your
plane that we are not familiar with.
Q: (L) Well, just moving from a glow to a blinding flashing.
A: Well, you must be aware, first of all, as we have told you
before, and as you have, in fact, gained knowledge from other souces prior to your
communications with us, the entire subject matter referred to as
“UFOs” is extremely varied and multi-faceted in nature and does not
represent any one condition, entity, source of entities, mode of
transport, density level, or anything else related to these.
Q: (L) So, in other words, we would have to specify a specific
sighting and condition in order to obtain an answer to this particular question
or type of question?
A: Well, let us ask you, would that not be the wisest course of
Q: (J) I think I have a way out of that. Possibly we are referring
to the type of sightings that are typical in the Gulf Breeze area where they...
A: Be aware of the fact, please, that the whole Gulf Breeze
situation is rather interesting in many ways. And, when we say “rather interesting,” we
are being subjective viewing the subjective from your point of view.
There is more going on there... [(J) Um hmm] than meets the eye...
[(J) Agreed.] again, from your point of view... [(J) We are aware of
that.] not from our point of view, for we know what’s going on
there. And this brings us to another point that should be taken at
this point, no pun intended, that is that your line of questioning,
in this particular session, does seem to be developing a pattern;
that being trying to find answers to mysteries which, if found,
could cause difficulties for you. Example one being Pope John Paul’s
death, as you call it, and example two, Gulf Breeze. If you were to
know the answers to these questions, we can assure you that it would
not be long, as you measure time, before ramifications would result
that would not be pleasant for you. This is because all entities
concerned with these various subject matters are strictly STS, and,
in fact, involved in practices that, if revealed in their entirety,
would be damaging to the efforts of those seeking to serve self in
the ways that they are seeking service of self. So, it is not
possible for us to go into any great detail about lights seen at
Gulf Breeze as it would be possible for you to infer from the
information given, various bits and pieces of information, which
could lead you to knowledge that it would be best that you not
possess currently. Do you understand?
Q: (T) Are you suggesting that sometime in the future that it might
be possible and helpful for us to know these things?
A: Well, we sincerely try not to suggest, but rather, communicate,
and the communication intent was to indicate that it would be more
beneficial, perhaps, to gain awareness of these subjects in detail
in what you would describe as your future, than would be the case in
what you would describe as your present.
Q: (J) So sometimes knowledge is [Terry interjects and both comments
lost] (T) Knowledge without understanding...
A: Incorrect. [(J) I was...] knowledge protects, but there is an old
saying on your third density world [(J) I know what’s coming...] a little bit
of knowledge is a dangerous thing... [(J) Got it!] and we will add
to that “a little bit of knowledge is no knowledge at all.”
Q: (L) Yes...
(J) Is this kind of like along the line of “Knowledge
out of context is dangerous.”
A: That would be accurate as well.
Q: (L) Well, since we are not going to go anywhere with that
question, I have another one... a couple of nights ago I did a session with my son to
examine the events that took place on August 16, 1993, over my pool,
wherein a couple of objects were seen by all of us, kind of casually
drifting by. In this hypnosis session, after two or three passes
through the subject, he indicated that, in fact, that was not merely
a sighting of something going overhead, but was actually and
abduction situation. Would that be correct?
A: What do you think?
Q: (L) Knowing what I know now, I think so.
A: The reason we ask this is, again we must reiterate, your learning
is to be more and more accomplished by utilizing the tools you have within
you, and, we are happy to see that you are, indeed, doing this. But
you must trust in your own ability to access the information you
need through your own efforts.
Q: (L) One remark he made during this session, and this startled me
and I would like to get a little amplification on the subject, was
that toward the end when I asked what happened, he said that he was
“taken apart and beamed back down without benefit of a pain
suppressor.” This meant that when he was demolecularized some sort
of device that is used to suppress pain was not used, and the
process of atomic demolecularization or remolecularization can
actually be painful, and can cause distress. Is this correct?
A: Possibly. The whole process of abduction can be stressful, but,
to varying degrees and, of course, we must remind you that, as with everything
else, it is your own perception of reality that is the most
important factor, not some notion of your own perception of reality.
Q: (L) I don’t understand what you mean. Is there some device
that... does it
hurt to be taken to pieces molecularly, beamed aboard a space ship
and then sent back.
(J) Can this be painful to the body?
A: Well, first of all, you are getting way ahead of yourself. Do you
believe that a beam of light came down and “took you to pieces,”
moved your body physically onboard a space vehicle, did some form of
examination or some such thing and then reassembled your entire body
without a pain suppressor? Is this what you believe?
Q: (L) Well, he didn’t say it happened to me, he said it happened to
We have never heard the term “Pain suppressor” before.
(L) Yes, we
have never heard anything about anything like this; and do I believe
a beam of light could have come down and disassembled us and
reassembled me, and then something was done to me? Well, from what I
have studied I would say it is possible. I mean, knowing about the
time manipulation capabilities of said entities, it is entirely
possible that it could have happened without any awareness of any
loss of time whatsoever.
A: Yes, this is true, however, we have told you in previous
sessions, in detail,
the methodology... [(J) Not true.] that is used for what you refer
“abduction.” And, if you are familiar with the transcripts that you
created, you know precisely how this is done. Your description of it
completely correct as referenced in the hypnosis session you speak
of, or at
least your interpretation of the information given during the
given is not correct. Now, it must be noted here, that when we make
clarifying statements such as “this is not correct” or “that is not
is unusual for us to do this because the nature of your state of
being and all
others is one involving various degrees of bonded illusion.
Therefore any and
all possibilities are present in most instances. However, when two
or more of
these bonds of the illusion are misaligned, then, indeed, absolute
or absolute incorrectness is possible. In this case, there is a
the bonding. Therefore, it is, in fact, completely incorrect. And,
to explain exactly the process again, even though we do very much
desire for you
to learn, and we sense that perhaps you are getting ahead of
yourself in the
learning curve, as it were, which is somewhat distressing, but we
about that later; the main thing is that you have been told how this
takes place. We will now repeat it. Please do try to retain this
it is very important not only for what, perhaps, has happened in
your reality as
you would refer to it as your past, but also in possible variations
present and in what you refer to as your future. These experiences
known in their entirety as to what they really are. You are not
removed as a physical third density being from one locator to
happens is very simple. The time frame is normally frozen, and we
use the term
“frozen” for lack of a better term. What this means is that your
time in your physical locator, third density body, ceases to pass
period of time that is called “zero time” variously by members of
race. What happens is that the soul imprint occupying or of that
host body is removed forcibly, transported to another locator, and
remolecularized as a separate physical entity body for purpose of
implantation, and other. Then, it is demolecularized, the soul
imprint is used
for the purpose of duplication process; it is then demolecularized
and the soul
imprint is replaced in the original body at the original locator.
That is the
process that takes place. On occasion, the fourth density beings
doing the abduction can actually make a mistake in the time
referencing points of the third density illusion. This may create
the effect of the appearance of an alternate or duplicate
experience, when, in actuality there has only been one experience.
This was what happened in your case. As you perceived the passage of
two “ships” for lack of a better term, when in actuality, there was
only one. That is because the time frame reference illusion was not
completely matched from beginning of event to the end of the event
in zero time. Normally, however, that is not a problem. On rare
occasions, the host, or the subject of the abduction can actually
find themselves replaced in the time frame illusion in what could
appear to be several hours, day, weeks, or even, sadly, years prior
to the beginning of the event, which, of course, could cause side
effects such as total insanity and other such things. Fortunately
that did not occur in your case, but there was some fracturing of
the time frame reference illusion. This is why you thought you saw
two ships when in actuality you only saw one. Now, it is most
important that you understand that this is not a physical, third
density experience in its entirety. There is the soul imprint that
all first density, second density, third density, and fourth density
beings possess, as you already know; that is extracted. From that
soul imprint a duplicate copy or cloning, if you will, which appears
on fourth density, can then be made and studied and the soul imprint
is then replaced into the original body at whatever density it was
taken. This is normally how the process is done. Most often, if the
third density being is removed in total physicality, there is no
return of that being to third density. They are permanently removed
to fourth density. Most often that is what takes place although on
rare occasions there can be return. However, there is no need for
this as complete duplication for all purposes of examination,
alteration of sensate, and implanting; need not be done on third
density; can be done completely in the fourth density duplication
process. Do you understand?
Q: (T) How does the implant come back to the third density body
originally still here?
A: The process we are describing, which involves the
remolecularization; it is
very complex to try and describe how the fourth density is
translated into third density, except that once the duplicate, the
fourth density cloning, or duplicate is present, all fourth density
realities surrounding that fourth density duplicate will be matched
in third density whenever and wherever desired. Because, in effect
it is the entire density level which is being exchanged, not just
the object contained within.
Q: (L) So, in other words, just as the soul imprint, when it goes
density, can be used as a template to create a carbon copy, so to
anything that is done to the carbon copy then becomes a template
that same manifestation when it is sent back into the third
A: Precisely. With the only variance there being that technology is
make sure that implants, or added material that comes from fourth
density, is such that it will also translate equally into third
density through the remolecularization process.
Q: (L) Is there any method that we could or should know about to
A: No, you are not capable of doing that without causing death of
And, by the way, please don’t believe those who claim that they can
do such things as they cannot.
Q: (L) So, in this particular case, something was done, something
which affected me. My subsequent physical condition makes me curious
as to whether the physical reactions I had for six to nine months,
and still have occasionally, following this event, were a third
density reaction to the, what you call, fracturing of time. Was this
an aberration or was this intentional?
A: My, my my. My, my, my. You take one subject and launch forward
You create your own reality, Laura. That really is impressive! But,
incorrect, sorry to say! It does not occur as a result of the
the time frame reference illusion. It occurs as a result, simply and
your psychic impression imprint of the experience itself reflecting
your third density physical reality. As we have told you before, of
course, and we don’t mean to sound snide or condescending, however
we are just a bit perturbed that you do not seem to be keeping up
with your own transcripts.
Q: (L) Well, since that question was never answered...
A: It was never answered incorrectly in that way. However if you
with the transcripts, you would realize that it was answered.
Q: (L) Well, it just gave me food for thought hearing about the
fracturing.” (T) Is the pain that Laura’s son described not what he
said it was, but rather the pain that is related when the fourth
density being removes the life force?
A: Life force is never removed. The soul is extracted. In answer to
question: Laura’s son is merely expressing the discomfort and
most third and second density beings experience when abducted by
fourth density service to self entities.
Q: (L) Why did they only abduct Jason and myself and not the girls?
A: Did they?
Q: (L) Well, that is what he said. And, you have said that the girls
A: Well, I guess that answers the question then.
Q: (L) Well, why? Why only him and me?
A: Why not?
Q: (J) Just random?
(L) Was it a random abduction?
A: As we have said before, you have been making progress in learning
your own resources. But, we would hate to see you fall back.
Q: (L) Well, I don’t want to fall back and I have no intention of
not pursuing this matter through my own resources. But, using myself as a case in
point, I am trying to find out a little bit about the nature of the
abduction process in general. I mean, is it done randomly or is it
done to specific persons for specific reasons? My though is that
maybe specific people are targeted to put them out of commission.
But, then, that seems a little egotistical and I don’t want to
stumble over ego and say that I am being abducted to put me out of
commission and somebody else is being abducted randomly.
A: Well, I hope this following statement will not disturb you. Any
who possesses a greater power than you do will not have any extreme
difficulty in “putting you out of commission” if they so desire.
This has happened, of course.
Q: (L) I would like to ask a little bit about synchronicity. I would
know what is the source of synchronous events. Is it a multiple
source or is it something that comes out of the percipient’s own
(J) is it random?
A: Imagine a young school child walking along the street, standing
beside a rose
bush, picking one of the flowers, and asking the flower: “Would you
please explain Einstein’s theory of relativity to me today.” Now,
the analogy here is, while humorous, perhaps, is also to point out
to you that we admire and appreciate the challenges that you bring
to us to answer such complex questions in such a simple form, not to
mention such a simple format. However, if we were to answer these
accurately and adequately for you when you ask such complicated
questions, it would require a session lasting approximately
twenty-four of your days non-stop. Needless to say that this would
render the subject rather useless and, of course, yourselves as
well. So, we aren’t simply not able to answer a question as complex
as “What is synchronicity” as it is incredibly complex. It involves
aspects in every imaginable state of reality merging together in
what could best be described, if seen visually, as a massive mosaic
in perfect balance. But, that is not adequate to a response for your
(J) Ummm it’s adequate enough.
hopefully, maybe you can contemplate the visual image presented and
help yourself to learn...
(J) I like it.
(Cass) ... a more complete
Q: (T) Several sessions back when we were discussing “Perpendicular
you were talking about something that happened to me and that I had
to look back over my life and analyze my relationships with other
people from a certain point up until now and you said that this was
a perpendicular reality. What is the definition of a perpendicular
A: The perpendicular reality primarily, though not exclusively,
refers to one’s
life path and how one’s life path fits together in the cycle or in a
wheel when connected with those of a similar life path. And, oddly
enough, relates very closely to the previous question involving
synchronicity... [(J) Yeah...] If you can picture an inlaid wheel
formed by a circle within a circle, and adjoining partitions in a
perfect balance, that would be the best representation of
perpendicular reality for it does not completely involve one
individual’s experience, but rather a group of individual’s
experience for the progression of a greater purpose, if you
understand what we mean. This is what we mean when we say:
perpendicular reality. Picture again, a circle within a circle
adjoined by equally spaced partitions in a perfect cycle. That is
Q: (T) You had us draw this symbol and put
seven spokes or partitions between the two circles.
Q: (T) Is seven the optimal number?
A: Seven is always the optimal number. There are seven levels of
reflects through all phases of reality.
Q: (T) The people that I interacted with during this time, they also
have gone on to do other things that they were supposed to be doing
because of their interaction with me in this perpendicular reality
that we all existed in?
A: That’s correct.
Q: (T) You also said that each of us in this group came from a
different perpendicular reality.
A: That is correct.
Q: (T) Is it at this point where we merge our different
perpendicular realities in order to learn from each other’s
A: That could be described as correct.
Q: (L) It was said at the time that the inner circle was the
connection with this reality and that the outer circle and
connecting segments were where the perpendicular reality is “joined
with The Wave.” Is it implied in that statement that the forming of
this conduit through these perpendicular realities is instrumental
in bringing forth this wave, bringing forth this change, this
dimensional shift, or density shift, and is that something that is
being done in other places?
A: We wish to congratulate you for asking six questions in one. [(T)
question and you would have a perfect perpendicular question!]
Q: (L) Are we connected in some way with the Wave, individually and
as a group?
A: Well, of course. Everything is connected to the wave.
Q: (L) Are we, by connecting into this wheel, so to speak,
activating the wave in some way?
A: We are not clear about your interesting interpretation there, but
it is true
that you have an interactive relationship with the wave... [(J) We
ought to add...] ...however... there is an interruption... as stated
before, you are in an interactive relationship with the wave in a
sense, in that the wave is a part of your reality, always has been
and always will be. And, of course, it does involve your progress
through the grand cycle. And the perpendicular reality, again is, of
course, an advancement from the core outward which is yet another
reflection of all reality and all that exists. Now, we wish to
return to the visual representation as mentioned previously. If you
notice the core circle connects with all seven sections to the outer
circle. Now, picture that outer circle as being an ever expanding
circle, and each one of the seven segments as being an ever
expanding line. Of course, now, this will expand outward in a
circular or cyclical pattern. Please picture visually an expanding
outer circle and a non-expanding inner circle. Contemplate that and
then please give us your feelings as to what that represents.
Q: (L) Does it represent an expansion of our knowledge and
A: That’s part of it.
Q: (L) Does it represent also expanding influence of what and who we
are on that which is around us?
A: That is correct.
Q: (L) Does it also represent a more...
A: Oop! We detected a slippage of your visual representation!
you will, the ever-expanding outer circle and the non-expanding
inner circle, and, of course, the seven partitions also moving
outwardly. What type of shape does that form in your mind’s eye?
Q: (L) A wheel?
A: Is that all?
Q: (T) A pie?
A: Keep going.
Q: (L) An eye.
A: Now we are starting to turn it into a sphere! Why would it turn
Q: (L) How can it turn into a sphere?
A: How can it not!
Q: (SV) It is going in ALL directions, not just flat...
A: Is a straight line a straight line or a...
Q: (L) Oh, you’re not talking about a circle?
A: We are talking about a circle. What becomes of a circle if you
Q: (J) It disappears.
A: It disappears? How can it disappear? Where does it disappear to?
you that, Jan? Jan?
Q: (J) Visually, as the outer circle expands, the inner circle
becomes smaller and smaller until it disappears. As you continue to
expand out with the outer circle, the inner circle disappears.
A: But where does it disappear to?
Q: (J) A black hole?
A: A black hole. Well, that’s a possibility. But, we really didn’t
want you to
concentrate so heavily on the smaller circle, now did we? It’s the
Q: (T) The outer circle is used to encompass more and more.
A: And what shape does it begin to take on? I want you to look at
circle expanding outward!
Q: (J) Are we to assume that the seven spokes remain the same size
in relation to the circle?
A: Well, answer that question for yourself.
Q: (L) Okay, we are looking at it as a plane representation. As a
A: Well, what happens to a flat surface if you extend it outward
Q: (L) Well, we don’t know. That, that...
(SV) It keeps on going.
A: It keeps on going?
Q: (L) Yeah, bigger and flatter!
A: It does? What happens to a line if you extend it forever and
Q: (Laura and Susan) It keeps on going.
A: It does?
Q: (L) Um hmmm!
A: Where does it go to?
Q: (SV) Forever.
(J) Back to itself.
(L) We don’t know that.
A: Oh, someone said “Back to itself.”
Q: (J) Like a snake taking hold of its own tail.
A: Why don’t we know that?
Q: (L) Because we don’t. It is conjectured that space is curved...
A: “Because we don’t know. Now, why don’t we know?
Q: (L) Because we haven’t been there.
A: Had Columbus been outside of Italy and Spain?
Q: (L) Okay, we are going to assume that if it keeps on expanding it
will eventually come back to itself...
A: No, no, no wait! We asked a question!
Q: (L) Well, of course Columbus had an idea that there was something
but he hadn’t been there, no. But he went and checked it out.
A: Did he have just and idea?
Q: (L) Well, pretty much, I guess.
A: Hmmm. That’s not the way we remember it. The way we remember it
is that he
had instinct and imagination and when he married his instinct with
imagination, it became reality. And, when it became reality, he had
created a reality which he was fully confident would be manifest in
the physical third density reality. It wasn’t that he was confident.
He knew it to be so. He didn’t stop himself by adding prejudice to
the equation which is what you are doing when you say:
“Well, we don’t know what happens because we have never been there!”
Think logically, please. We have told you so many times that
everything is a grand cycle. If it’s a grand cycle, we have told you
about circles within circles. We have told you about cycles. We have
told you about short wave cycles and long wave cycles. Now, after
all this information that you have asked of us, which we have more
than happily given to you, would you expect that a straight line
would just go out forever and ever and ever as a straight line? How
could it possibly do that? What happens, [(J) remark lost.] if you
take, on you third density earth, and you draw a straight line to
the East or to the West [(J) remark lost] or to the North or to the
Q: (J) It comes all the way back to itself.
Q: (L) Okay, so we’re living in a big globe!
A: Are we?
Q: (L) Well, that is what it sounds like, a big circle?
A: Oh, my, my, my. You need more study and learning, my dear. Need
Even your Albert Einstein had a theory about what happened.
Q: (L) Yes, but that was just a theory.
A: Oh, well I guess then... [(J) Not to him.] I guess then it must
We’ll never know. It’s just a theory. Well, we’ll just forget about
Q: (T) I’m still expanding the circle...
(SV) Me too.
A: Very good, that was the idea. It keeps going and going and going.
Q: (L) Well, mine does too, but it hasn’t come back and met
anything. So, what’s the point?
A: Does there need to be a point?
Q: (L) Of course!
A: Who says? We are trying to help you learn. When do you expect to
Q: (J) Never.
(L) Gee, I hope never.
A: Then there never is a point!
Q: (J) Point taken! (L) There is no point. [Laughter.] Well, if you
expand the circle outward and continue expanding it in all
directions, it pulls the seven spokes with it which encompasses more
and more space in a cross section, and then turn that circle, you
have a sphere.
A: Precisely. But Laura says that means we are living in a big
maybe we are.
Q: (T) Well, it wouldn’t be a big globe, so to speak, it would only
be a big globe within the circle. If the circle continues to expand,
it would just continue to go outward and outward and the globe would
become bigger and bigger and bigger...
(L) You’re making me
(T) But it goes outward forever... cause there is no end
to going out...
A: There isn’t?
Q: (SV) Nope.
A: Well, then maybe there’s no beginning.
Q: (T) Well, there wouldn’t be a beginning, just a big, open void.
A: If there’s no end and no beginning, then what do you have?
Q: (L) No point.
(J) The here and now.
A: The here and now which is also the future and the past.
Everything that was,
is and will be, all at once. [(J) As it was in the beginning, is now
shall be...] This is why... [(J) world without end, amen.] this is
why only a
very few of your third density persons have been able to understand
travel, because even though traveling into space in your third
density is every
bit as third density as lying on your bed at night in your
comfortable home, the
time reference is taken away. Something that you hold very close to
as if it were your mother. And, it is the biggest illusion that you
have repeatedly told you over and over that there is no time, and
yet, of course, you have been so brainwashed into this concept that
you cannot get rid of it no matter what you do, now can you? Imagine
going out into space. You’d be lost when confronted with reality
that everything is completely all at one? Would you not? Picture
yourself floating around in space!
Q: (L) I don’t want to.
(J) There is also no space! (T) Does the
sphere keep expanding... as the circle expands and you turn the circle 180 ‘,
you get a sphere. As the sphere continues to expand it, you take a
point on the outer edge of the sphere in order to take the sphere
about itself, you get a donut, an ever expanding inner tube.
With a black hole in the middle! (SV) Why does it have to be a black
(J) It’s a spiral.
(T) If you take that and twist it, you get
an even larger inner tube. It just continues to expand and
encompasses more space...
A: And now, when you merge densities, or traverse densities, what
you have is
the merging of physical reality and ethereal reality, which involves
thought form versus physicality. When you can merge those perfectly,
what you realize then, is that the reason there is no beginning and
no end is merely because there is no need for you to contemplate a
beginning or an end after you have completed your development. When
you are at union with the One at Seventh density, that is when you
have accomplished this and then there is no longer any need for
difference between physical and ethereal forms.
Q: (L) On the subject of time as we discussed the other day: we
talked about the
fact that at the constant of light there is no time, there is no
matter, there is no gravity, but that any unit, infinitesimally
small to the downward side of the constant of light, suddenly there
is gravity and suddenly there is matter. And we asked what is it
that congeals this matter out of the energy of light, so to speak,
and I believe that the answer we received was that it was
consciousness from 7th level. From our perspective, would it be
possible to achieve this constant and move through to the other side
of it, or at least stay fixed with it, without de-materializing? Is
the speed of light interconnected with the state of no time and no
A: No in an absolute sense, in a third density sense.
Q: (L) Okay, if you are in fourth density, for example, does
everything move at
the speed of light and is that why there is no time there and no
A: No. That is an incorrect concept... [(T) There is no speed of
is everywhere.] Precisely. There is no speed of light in fourth
density because there is no need for any “speed.” Speed, itself, is
a third density concept. You remember, all there is is lessons.
That’s it! There’s nothing else. It is all for your perception. For
our perception. For all consciousness. That’s all there is.
Q: (L) Well, I am still trying to get a handle on what it is, what
is the source
of this gravity, this state of time because they seem to be so
A: Let us ask you a question now: Do you remember going to school?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: What did you do in third grade?
Q: (L) A lot of things. I learned cursive writing. I learned to
A: Do you remember what you did in first grade?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Please name one.
Q: (L) I walked to school and took tests. Learned to count in
Learned to read and write.
A: Okay. [(T) Did you learn to multiply and divide in first grade?
When you were in the process of learning to multiply and divide, did
you drop your pen or pencil and steadfastly return in your mind to
first grade and try and figure out why you had to learn the
Q: (L) No.
A: Why not?
Q: (L) Because I already knew it.
A: You already knew it. In other words, you did not need to learn
the alphabet because you already knew it. Correct?
Q: (L) Yes.
A: Are you going to need to learn about the speed of light when
there is no
longer a speed of light?
Q: (L) Well, that is what I am trying to do. Once you learn it,
maybe you are not subject to it’s lessons anymore. I mean, you get
concepts presented, you absorb them, practice them, they become part
of you and then you go to the next thing.
A: Yes, but you are asking about the speed of light as relates to
and above density levels and we are telling you that there is no
speed of light there because there is no need for that, because once
you reach fourth density level, you have learned the lessons of
third density level.
Q: (L) Well, if a person on third density gets
into some kind of vehicle and achieves light speed, does that
automatically translate them into fourth density?
A: Could you please point out one of these vehicles?
Q: (L) Well, we don’t have any... yet.
A: Do you expect to have any before you go to fourth density?
Q: (L) No.
A: Then the lesson is learned, yes?
Q: (L) Sort of.
A: If you trust in what we are saying, which is in response to what
asking, then the lesson is learned. Now, contemplate, because all
there is is lessons.
Q: (L) Well, you talk about time being an illusion, time being
something we hold dear to us like a mother, and that sort of thing,
and I would be perfectly happy to let go of time...
A: You do! Let go!
Q: (L) Well, it is one thing to want to do it in your mind and
another thing altogether to do it in your system, your internal
A: Your internal operating system?
Q: (T) Is that DOS or WARM?
A: Could you please explain what an internal operating system is?
Q: (L) I guess it is the subconscious mind.
A: It is?
Q: (L) Maybe.
A: My, my.
Q: (T) The subconscious mind has no idea of time.
(J) Time is an
(L) For example: a person can have a belief
about prosperity in their conscious mind and can talk about it and
say affirmations and all kinds of postive things for themselves, and
yet, for some reason that individual continually lives on the edge
of poverty because something keeps happening that they keep screwing
up to keep themselves at the level of poverty. And, when you start
digging around in their subconscious mind you find out that
somewhere there is the belief in poverty or there is a past life
connection where they feel they need or deserve to be poor, so,
their internal operating system takes precedence over their
conscious beliefs and thoughts. That is what I am talking about
A: Yes, but what is your point.
Q: (L) The point is that you may say that you would like to get rid
of time and you may understand it conceptually, but something
internal keeps you tied to it.
How do you get rid of that internal connection?
A: Something internal keeps you tied to
Q: (J) Like circadian rhythms, its physical.
A: We feel you are missing the point.
Q: (L) Well, maybe I am.
A: You see, we speak to all of you when we say this. It’s now time
for you, as individuals, to try to move away, as much as possible,
not to force yourselves, of course, but to try and move away at your
own pace as much as possible, from the constraints of third density.
You have all learned lessons to the level where you are more than
ready to begin to prepare for fourth density. Third density involves
a level of physicality and restriction and restraint and all of the
things that go along with those, that you no longer need. So,
therefore, even though we understand that at times it may feel
comfortable to cling to this, there is time for you, and there is
that word again, it is time for you to consider moving ahead and get
ready for fourth density and not to be concerned with such things as
time or how to free yourself from the illusion of time. That really
is not important. That’s like the third grade student delving into
mathematics and stopping everything to go back and contemplate the
ABC’s and why it isn’t CBA or BAC. There really is no point. It is
what it is. They are what they are.
Q: (L) That is what I want to know, what is it?
A: Why do you need to know this?
Q: (L) Because I am curious. What is time?
A: We have already told you that it is a non-existent, artificial
illusion for the point of learning at the level where you are at or
were, and once you have left that level, you no longer need it.
Q: (T) Maybe one of the lessons is to learn not to worry about time.
Once you learn that time is not real...
(SV) Tell that to your boss!
A: If something is not real, is there any concern in worrying about
what it is?
Q: (T) Not, for me.
A: Imagine a conversation between two people: Billy and Gene. Billy
says to Gene, “There is no such thing as time.” Gene says, “Oh,
really? But I want to know what it is.” Billy says, “But I just told
you there is no such thing. Time does not exist. It is not real in
any form, in any frame of reference, in any form of reality, any
level of density. It simply does not exist.” And, Gene says: “Oh,
that’s interesting. Now, again, what is this time?”
Q: (L) Point taken.
(T) Do you wear a watch?
(SV) I have to
because of my schedule.
(T) But, you wear the watch because other
people believe in time?
(T) And that is out of courtesy for their belief, not your
A: That is precisely correct. While you are still in this third
density it is still necessary for you to conform, to a certain
extent, to the ways of others who are more comfortable within the
realm of third density. But, as we have stated previously, perhaps
it is “time” for you to begin preparing for fourth density and not
concern yourself any more than is absolutely necessary with all the
where’s and why’s and what for’s of third density reality. This
truly is behind you, now, and we know that because we can see from
all levels six through one and back again in full cycle.
Q: (L) Going along with that statement, and this is going to have to
be the last question; preparing for fourth density: not too long ago I asked a
question about the purpose of this group and the answer was that if
we knew, or, more specifically if I knew, I would become “unglued.”
Was that meant literally?
A: Oh, yes certainly. Every single bone in your body is going to
from every other.
Q: (J) You are going to turn into a puddle.
(L) Well, since you are
it is time for us to begin preparing for fourth density, maybe it is
time to deal with that question?
A: Well, perhaps you are trying to steer us, now. This is amusing
because, of course, you sought our help, now I guess you are going
to put us in your place and vice versa. But, actually, in a way,
that is what is already happening, because, again, we must remind,
that we are you in the future and we have already experienced all
that you are experiencing. And, of course, we are experiencing as it
is always being experienced. But, it is important to note that you
have been making progress despite our occasional chidings, and we
are very proud of the progress you have been making. Also, we want
to remind you again not to worry about the extent of the progress or
the direction it is taking. Just let it happen. All knowledge that
it is absolutely necessary for you to gain to sustain this progress
will be gained at the appropriate point in ... [chorus] TIME.
Therefore, not to worry as it will all fall into place, as we have
told you. Now, we do not feel that you are ready, as yet, to know
what your ultimate purpose is, nor is it necessary for you to know,
and it certainly would not be helpful in any way, so we ask again
that you please not worry about that because when the “time” comes
for you to know, you will.
Q: (SV) I want to ask one question: If
there is no time, there is no past and no future; there are no past
lives and no future lives, there is no such thing as reincarnation,
then how can you be us...
A: Yes, there is reincarnation. You are getting ahead of yourself
never said there is no reincarnation.
Q: (SV) But, if there is no time?
(J) It is our perception of it.
(L) It is all happening simultaneously. We are having all of these
lifetimes at once.
(SV) Is there a way that we can connect ourselves
with all our other selves?
A: Picture it this way: we will access some of your memory banks and
another reference which, interestingly enough, fits very closely
with the perpendicular reality wheel that we described earlier. You
know what a slide projector looks like? To give you some feeling of
what this expanded nature of reality really is, picture yourself
watching a big slide presentation with a big slide wheel on the
projector. At any given point along the way you are watching one
particular slide. But, all the rest of the slides are present on the
wheel, are they not? And, of course, this fits in with the
perpendicular reality, which fits in with the circles within circles
and cycles within cycles, which also fits in the Grand Cycle, which
also fits in with what we have told you before: All there is is
lessons. That’s all there is... [(J) I have a comment...] ...and we
ask that you enjoy them as you are watching the slide
Q: (J) In that analogy, the light that shines through the slide, as
it projects it upon the screen, is our perception.
A: And, if you look back at the center of the projector, you see the
essence of all creation itself, which, is level seven where you are
in union with the One.
Q: (T) Can we ask one more quick question? NASA has announced that
the space telescope, Hubble, has detected clusters of comets, is
this, in effect, the beginning of the government’s of the world
preparing the people for what is to come?
A: It certainly is a possibility, but, again, you are accessing a
area. Too much knowledge for you to gather in this particular area
[(T) I understand that the knowledge...
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