March 4, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, SV
Q: (T) Good evening.
Q: (L) Is the luck with us at this time?
Q: (L) Who do we have with us this evening?
A: Not yet.
Q: (L) The luck is not yet with us?
A: Try not to second guess what we mean.
Q: (L) What does “luck” mean?
A: Nilionna from “Cassiopaea.”
Q: (L) What does the term “luck” refer to?
Q: (L) Are we going to discover something very soon that is lucky
for us as a group?
A: Second guessing!
Q: (T) Hi, Nilionna!
Q: (L) Nilionna, have you been listening to our discussion?
Q: (L) We have been discussing some control systems for our
Q: (L) Are you saying that the control systems we are trying to set
up are okay?
A: Yes. No time limit, though, when it is advantageous to stop for
benefit, the sessions will terminate.
Q: (L) In other words, we aren’t supposed to put a time limit on it.
(T) Cool, works for me.
(J) I had a thought, Laura, even though D__
was not present, her presence was felt before we opened up the
channel because you are still torqued up about her. So she has had
(L) You want to ask that?
(J) Yes. Is D__ having an
influence on the session because of her phone contact with Freddie
and because of the way I reacted to her?
A: Perceptive of you, Jan!
Q: (L) Are we correct in what we have discussed, that her presence
has a corrupting influence on the channel?
Q: (L) What does that mean?
(T) The channel is clear.
(L) Is the
channel clear right now?
Q: (L) She is clear?
Q: (L) I don’t understand?
(J) Clear her up.
Q: (J) That is what we are going to do. She has made an appointment
and it is in progress.
(T) She needs spirit release.
(L) On that
subject, before we get going, let me ask about D__.
A: Enough said, remember, you have been learning slowly that
personal issues hold minor significance. Terry’s dream was significant, however!!!!!
Susan too!! And Fred has been sent same message as well.
Q: (L) Did
you have a dream or message, Freddie?
(F) That’s true. I did have
some funny feelings.
(T) Did you have something else?
(F) Well, I
have received some stuff. Just the same kind of thing, that there is
something that we are missing.
(T) Okay. We are missing a key topic
or issue, here, that’s true.
A: 4th level STO!
Q: (L) Is that the title of the topic?
A: You have only thought of 4th level STS.
Q: (L) Ahhh! What Susan was talking about, we need to ask about the
A: They are the only ones who can help you defend yourselves against
4th level attack!!!! We give you information which is invaluable in nature,
but remember we are 6th level STO, Beings of light, and on this
density level there simply is no interference with free will no
matter how detrimental to you!!!
Q: (T) 4th density STO beings can
actually help in a meaningful way! We knew there was both sides, but
we never asked. We have been concentrating on the Lizards.
There are 16 groups on both sides, and nobody has ever asked...
And by concentrating on the Lizards, we have been feeding their f______ energy.
(F) Their damn energy.
(J) Their damn energy.
That DARN energy! Who are these 4th density STO beings that we need
to contact? Obviously we need to talk to them because they can talk
to us. Sixth density “Us” can’t.
A: Orion Federation.
Q: (L) And who are the members of the Orion Federation?
A: Not yet.
Q: (L) What can you tell us?
(T) The Orion Federation is 4th
A: You have asked us to protect you, it is important for you to
we are beyond that!
Q: (L) We understand that.
(J) I understand that.
(T) We understand
that you, at 6th density, can’t interfere with free will on either
side. But, the Orion Federation...
A: First, incorrect thought patterns which have become imbedded must
be purged before you can move onto next subject.
Q: (J) It’s like: D__ must be purged before she can come back into
she must get rid of her incorrect thought patterns. We have
patterns that must be removed also.
(L) What are they, Freddy?
me. Ask them.
(J) Well, they’re not going to tell us that.
(F) Yeah, if they are not going to tell us, they will tell us
are not going to tell us.
(T) What are the incorrect thought
A: That we protect.
Q: (T) Well, you said that Knowledge protects. You have been
(J) Uh uh.
Q: (J) They are not really giving it to us, they are helping us to
draw it out of ourselves.
A: We are providing invaluable information which becomes knowledge,
but you are
under attack, therefore, you could maybe use some direct power from
the same density as the attack is coming from.
Q: (F) But, until you have total knowledge...
(L) You don’t have the
kind of power we are talking about needing.
(F) Right. We would
would need 500,000 pages of transcript to have that kind of
knowledge, to get to that point.
(L) Okay, what is the phone number
of the Orion Federation?
(T) That’s what I was going to
(L) How do we get hold of them?
A: Off the hook!
Q: (T) Uh oh! (L) They’re busy?
(T) Getting a lot of calls.
Okay, guys, what do we need to do here?
A: Find a “Nordic.” They are on Earth posing as humans.
Q: (T) They are 4th density. I thought they...
Q: (T) I thought that 4th density couldn’t hold the frequency that
long and that is why the Lizards have so much trouble.
A: Not STO!
Q: (T) Very good, Jan hit it as they said it. The STS can’t stay,
only the STO.
Q: (T) So, we need to find a Nordic, do we know one?
A: Have seen them at meetings and such.
Q: (L) What kind of meetings.
(J) MUFON meetings?
Q: (T) I guess that means we are infiltrated over there.
there one at last weeks meeting?
A: ?? Discover, remember these are among your protectors and Laura
know what level one attack is like, Terry, Jan and Susan are
perilously close to finding out!
Q: (T) And we are working hard to not get attacked. We have a Nordic
coming to our meetings?
(J) Did we meet one today?
(L) They gave a
question mark to that one. What about this big conference in May?
Q: (L) Well, should we wear something special like a red scarf so
they can find us in the crowd?
(T) Wait, wait...
A: Not needed at all, just be open and aware!!
Q: (L) Is this there anyway we can get any help or power from these
4th density good guys prior to that so that we can put a period to
this attack we have been undergoing?
A: Start to call them, maybe.
Q: (L) How do we call them.
(T) They said “discover!” They don’t
usually say that in regard to the project awareness meeting.
Q: (T) Thank you!
(L) How do we call them?
(T) We are calling them,
we have our information packs out.
(J) On the board?
Q: (L) No, not on the board.
(T) They’ll come to us.
A: They are 4th, not 6th.
Q: (T) We can’t contact them through the board because they are only
4th density? Is there a problem there?
A: Not conventional. It would be like using a FAX to contact Fido.
Q: (J) Is there any significance to the fact that one of our cats
has been looking like she is really trying to tell us something?
A: One of your cats, no, make that 2 of your cats, are close to
Q: (T) Sabrina’s moving up in the world, she’s going to get a
What’s going to happen to her when she hits third? She’s going to be
Q: (J) Wow.
(T) When she moves from cat to human, her cat body will
Q: (T) Is this going to happen some time in the near future as we
A: Not concept, we mean at next incarnation whenever that occurs. By
who gave her that name?
Q: (J) What name?
(S) The cat’s name?
(T) Two of our
(T) They are third density candidates.
(J) What about the
Q: (L) Does that mean that when a person is a 4th density candidate
that they have to leave their body to go to 4th density?
A: Yes unless they are in the body when the wave arrives.
Q: (J) What about the name?
(T) Do you mean who gave the kitty the
Q: (T) Oh, you mean why did I name that particular cat? It’s not
A: ? There are 2 candidates.
Q: (T) So, you are not going to give us the name.
(J) Is there any
significance to the behavior that the cat, Sabrina has been
Q: (L) Well, let’s go back to our Orion guys for a few minutes. Have
you given us all you are going to give us on this seeking of help
Q: (J) Okay.
(T) We gave out over a hundred of those pamphlets, if
they are going to the meetings, they’ve got one. We are already
(J) Will they contact us or do we have to recognize
and contact them?
A: They know about you even without pamphlets.
Q: (L) This individual who sent me this letter, this Thor Templar...
Q: (T) Can you give him a weapons design?
(L) Oh god!
(L) You did tell us at one point that we could achieve a
certain level of protection with stones, crystals, and so forth, is
A: Yes but crystals are “small potatoes.”
Q: (L) Is there anything we can do with our thinking patterns or
with our bodies, or anything we can do to accelerate the receiving
Q: (J) That is what we are doing. In other words, keep on keeping
A: Not. You are still STS.
Q: (L) What can we do to accelerate this process, this uniting, this
moving from STS to STO?
A: 8 Questions at once.
Q: (L) Maybe I will just say a little bit of what I think it is.
Q: (L) Part of my perception of this is seeing that whatever that
whatever I have or receive is shared with the group in terms of my
time, my energy, my thoughts, my finances, and everything that is
related to that, is that correct?
A: Evaluate attack intensity.
Q: (T) How strong is the attack? What is the intensity you have
(L) Well, it has been financial through various
(F) Yes, I would have to agree that we have
been attacked in that way to a level never before experienced in
middle class America.
(J) Is that the type of attack being referred
Q: (L) Is another part of the attack the emotional
experienced a few weeks ago?
Q: (J) What about D__?
A: Part, accident, etc., etc. Not D__ per se, but through her.
Q: (L) So the accident and all the other physical things are part of
Q: (L) Does prayer help?
A: Terry and Jan are next in line.
Q: (L) Well, my suggestion would be to not leave your shoelaces
(F) Oh, God! You don’t want to go through this, believe me.
(T) Well, there is not much they can do to us at this point.
A: Not true!
Q: (L) Okay guys, you are telling us we are under attack, you are
telling us it is going to get worse, you are telling us that maybe
some of these other guys can help us out, what can we do in the
A: Prayers help but more is needed.
Q: (T) More than prayers is needed. So, we are on our own until we
A: Find an Orion!!!
Q: (J) How?
(L) What do we do, go out to the beach and say: “Orions,
(T) No, they are at the disco, Orions like to dance.
A: That is all we can tell you, because it is the limit of
informative arena, any further would interfere with free will, so discover.
Q: (L) One
session I asked about some things that happened to me in the past
and I was told that what saved my buns from the fire was divine
Q: (L) Can you tell us about divine intervention?
A: Multi faceted.
Q: (L) Was this divine intervention enacted to protect me from
direful consequences that would have prevented me from doing
whatever work is forming up for me in the future?
Q: (L) Does it not seem that being under attack as we are now might
further prevent me, as well as my compatriots from doing our work?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) Well, does it not then behoove this same divine intervention
enacted at these other times to act at this time, or is the threat
A: Divine intervention cannot be arranged by 3rd level beings.
Q: (L) What level beings arrange divine intervention?
A: 4th through 7th.
Q: (T) So, we are just shy of a level to do that! We can do some
quasi divine intervention!
A: You cannot do this divine intervention. You can do 3rd level
Q: (Laura, Jan) What is third level intervention? [Pause]
They’re accessing the cosmic retrieval system.
Q: (L) give us a hint!
A: You should know!
Q: (T) Knowledge protects! So when we find ourselves a fourth
density being, things are going to roll.
A: You do 3rd intervention all the “time.”
Q: (L) Do you mean spirit release and cleansing?
A: And other.
Q: (T) Well we’ve done spirit release and cleansing, which has
prepared us somewhat.
(L) Do we need to do this over and over again
to constantly keep it up?
Q: (T) When I am on my lunch break, I go walking around the complex.
As I am
walking along, every so often I get an image, not a visual, it is
perceived image, of the forms and shapes encountered when doing
work. I can see these things coming toward me. As they come toward
me I just
send them to the light. I say, “Hello, how are ya, go to the light!”
will swirled around me and disappear. So, I don’t know if that is
part of what
we are supposed to be doing; being prepared by keeping all of the
stuff off of
us, by always setting up a field...
(F) You are protecting yourself
attachment, is what you are doing.
(T) But, it is also setting up a
(L) Okay, you say that I do 3rd level
all the time. Now, obviously this is partly the release work. Let me
ask, is Susan’s work in moving this stuff out of the tissue base, is
that part of this intervention.
Q: (J) Is that a collective?
A: So is writing letters and yelling at people over the phone!
Q: (S) Getting it off your chest.
(J) Yeah, not letting it...
That’s all 3rd level stuff...
(J) Teflon coating yourself...
Punching somebody in the mouth is a 3rd level intervention.
Yeah, releasing, yelling is one of the best releases...
(L) And they
are saying to do this?
(F) We can do it.
(T) These are all things
that are at our disposal, our repertoire of 3rd level...
asked what can we do, and are we helpless...
(T) About the
attachments, what dawned on me was that, as we are drawing power, as
we are increasing our energy level, we are drawing more and more of
them to us.
(L) You think so?
(T) The stuff I have been experiencing
in the last few days with these attachments is... they are coming to
us because we look like the light to them.
(S) Can read auras, you
(S) I do it with my eyes closed.
(T) Part of the attack
experience is most likely the increase in these loose energy things
flying around. And, as I realize this, I work to improve my
shielding so that it holds automatically. Where I work is full of
negative energy and a horrible place to be in terms of attachments.
I walk across the parking lot and they fly at me. I can sense them.
(F) Where I work, of course, two of the people there are alcoholics
and you can bet they are a bus load with nobody driving.
the Jin shin do goes beyond the body right to the energy level,
(T) And, what we are doing right here, in this room, is that
we are building an energy that may be drawing attachments to your
(L) Is this work, with the board, is it in some way related
to the location in space time, because of the fact that we have done
this for so long in this spot?
Q: (L) Does it work better because we are here rather than somewhere
A: For now.
Q: (J) Well, how about going to Leonard’s on Saturday?
(L) Will we
be able to do a demonstration at the MUFON meeting on Saturday?
A: Yes, because it is predestined.
Q: (L) That’s heavy.
(T) That’s not free will. Let’s not go next
Saturday and break the predestined plan! [Laughter.] My free will
wants to break predestined plans. Mirth, mirth!
(L) Can we ask any
further questions about that remark?
A: You are allowed to ask anything you wish.
Q: (T) But, they won’t necessarily answer anything we ask!
want to ask something about auras. On some people, their auras show,
by kirlian photography, a white area, like a halo, behind or around
their head or near the shoulder. What does this mean?
Q: (T) I guess what they mean is that it could be a different thing
on different people.
Q: (L) Is there a general schematic of aura colors and what they
mean as has been presented by various groups.
Q: (S) Was Edgar Cayce’s readings on colors...
A: Reading anything requires accessing “higher levels” of
are fluid, not concrete and absolute.
Q: (L) So this changes, fluctuates.
(S) Oh yes, auras constantly
(L) Yeah, but what they are saying is that the meanings of
the colors can change with the individual.
(T) It is like reading
(F) And palms, just because a person has a line of a
certain sort doesn’t mean that they are going to be in an accident
on such and such a day...
(T) Yes, and with the cards, one card can
mean one thing with one person, and something else with another
(F) I could look at two palms that are almost identical but
they could mean entirely different things...
(T) Which really ticks
off the materialists who want the directions to come with the card
and palm reading kits! [Laughter.]
(L) Are we, at this point, at an end of this subject of getting help
and so forth?
A: Discover, that is how you learn, not by being “led by the hand.”
Q: (L) Let us get to the questions we have prepared.
(S) I wonder if
subliminal tapes could help in protection?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) Was all the land on the planet earth formed into one vast
continent at some point in earth’s history?
A: Multiple history reality possibilities.
Q: (L) In this reality that we experience, was all the land joined
into one vast continent?
A: Incorrect conceptualization.
Q: (L) Well, I don’t know how to ask it.
(J) Move on.
(L) What is
the source of energy generated by stars?
A: Transfer points cause friction thus producing energy.
Q: (L) Transfer points of what; from what to what?
Q: (L) Now, this is going to be a strange question, but if you can
help us out, relate this to something it would be very helpful.
There are a lot of theories going around about the age of the
universe. Some of the latest says that it is anywhere from 8 to 25
billion years old. I know that you have said that time is an
illusion, but, in view of the fact that scientists are struggling
with this one... [Much laughter] which of the figures that they have
pulled out of the air, in terms of the time illusion itself, is the
Q: (F) Does that answer the question satisfactorily? That’s like
saying: “Oh, that’s an interesting store, what’s in there?” (L)
Well, if none of the figures science has come up with is correct,
what is the correct definition of the age of the universe?
A: Quasi-quantum possibilities.
Q: (L) What does that mean? [Laughter.]
(J) Anybody’s guess?!
Well, I think they are going to tell us something here.
Q: (J) Thanks a lot!
(T) That is certainly new to me!
probably a lot of gazillion years old!
(T) What does quasi mean?
(L) Partly, half-way...
(F) And what does quantum mean?
(L) Well, a
quanta is a unit of measure...
(T) All possible units of
(F) Is that what that would...
(L) Come on and help
us out here guys?
(T) In there time, which is no time, it exists at
all times and not time, in our time, that would be infinity.
(T) So, the age of the universe is infinite in our time limit,
but they way they perceive it is it doesn’t... it exists until it
doesn’t... it does and then it does not...
(L) Okay, let’s ask this
another way... help me out here...
(J) Go for it!
(F) You got yourself in the woods, keep looking for the crumbs to find
your way out!
(L) What do you mean by quasi-quantum possibilities?
A: Closed circle.
Q: (L) Okay, if you select any one point on the circle, and hold
that point, and then measure around to the point again, where on
that circle are we? Arbitrarily?
A: Not correct concept.
Q: (L) Okay, well help me out here. If there is a closed circle,
that means that there is no point that you can arbitrarily
Q: (L) Should we just drop this line, or continue with it?
Q: (L) Okay, then let’s just drop it.
(J) It is, it was, it always
world without end, amen!
(F) Well, if there is no time as we are
there is free will that is so important, how can this be? If there
is no time
and everything is connected, past, present and future, and
everything is just a
random collection of thoughts and experiences, and everything is
supposed to be
fluid, then there can’t ever have been free will. If there is free
there is no past, present or future, and everything is all the same
space time experience, the key is the free will, but there is no
(L) Is the planet earth, as so many have predicted, going to
acquire an additional sun?
Q: (T) An additional sun, like if Jupiter blows up? Is Jupiter an
A: Jupiter is already a star.
Q: (L) Why do we not perceive it as a star?
A: You are still learning. Earth is a star to be.
Q: (F) How the hell can that be?
(L) If a planet...
A: Every thing cycles fully.
Q: (L) If a star is a transition point from one dimension to
another, when the earth moves into 4th density, is it going to
appear as a star to the people in 3rd density?
A: “Gas planet.”
Q: (L) It will appear as a gas planet?
(J) Just as Jupiter appears
A: Jupiter is level 4 density.
Q: (L) To whom does Jupiter appear as a flaming sun, at what level?
A: 5, 6, and 7.
Q: (T) What does it look like in 4th?
Q: (T) Jupiter looks like Earth and Earth looks like Jupiter in 4th
Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?
Q: (J) Huh?
(L) What do you mean, invisible?
A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.
Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions the earth
A: When they are not thinking about it.
Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it doesn’t
exist? They have to focus on it for it to become visible?
Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density was
able to see us?
Q: (J) Us, not earth.
(T) What do they see us on?
A: Able to see you when they choose to.
Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us.
guess it is like animals in second density. You ride down the road
and don’t really see what is around you unless you focus in on it.
(J) Unless you concentrate on looking for them...
(T) Like standing
still in a forest and after a time you can see what is there.
is all according to perception.
A: Yes, but 4th level is the first one with true variability.
Q: (L) Georges Gurdjieff proposed the idea that the earth is, in a
sense, food for the moon. What he meant was, what he had learned
from these ancient teachers was that earth was a food source for
some level of being, and that possibly these beings had encampments
or bases on the moon, but that earth was eventually to become a star
and that then the moon would become an inhabited planet as the earth
was, and so on... Is this a fairly...
Q: (L) Is the Moon a second density planet?
Q: (L) And the Moon is used as a base by other beings?
A: On different densities.
Q: (L) Are there 2nd density beings that inhabit the moon in a full
Q: (T) Are there 3rd density beings?
Q: (T) Are there 4th density beings?
Q: (T) Are they Grays?
A: They don’t inhabit the moon, they just use it.
Q: (T) Are there 5th density beings there?
A: 5th uses all.
Q: (T) Are there 6th density beings there?
Q: (T) Is the 7th density being there?
A: That is union with the One.
Q: (T) Thank you, just checking.
(L) The “Arcturians” talk about the
path to the Great Central Sun. What is the Great Central Sun, and
what does this mean, “The path to the Great Central Sun?”
A: 7th level.
Q: (L) Is the star, Arcturus, also a residence, as in planet, for
A: Stars are transition and communication points.
Q: (L) The book, “We Are the Arcturians”, talks about the
Arcturians, and it says that they live on the star Arcturus, that it
is a planet for them, and that they have families, reproduce, and do
all kinds of normal things. This struck me as strange and reminded
me of the Jiles Hamilton stuff.
Q: (L) Okay, what was the source of this information?
A: This information was told in a format that would be understood
best by those
who read it.
Q: (T) Is this the book we are supposed to get the dates out of for
the Arcturus position of the wave?
(L) Yes. Okay. Was there a
massive volcano in the area we now call Kentucky at some point in
our historical reference?
A: Not then.
Q: (J) Will there be?
(L) Is there a massive volcano in the area of
Q: (L) Will there be?
Q: (L) Where was/is the center of the caldera?
A: You have proceeded not according to info in previous answer. Who
was a caldera?
Q: (L) Okay, in other words, there wasn’t a volcano in the area of
Kentucky, there isn’t a volcano in the area of Kentucky and there
isn’t going to be a volcano in the area of Kentuck?
Q: (L) Could you describe for us the interior of our sun and how it
A: It is a window.
Q: (L) The interior of the sun is a window. Okay, is the interior of
the sun composed of what we would call solid matter?
Q: (L) The general idea is that the interior of the sun is composed
of great masses of hydrogen and this is converting to helium and...
A: In 3rd density perception.
Q: (L) You are saying that the sun is a window or transmission point
between dimensions. If that is the case, then it is virtually
illimitable in terms of longevity?
Q: (L) So, the ideas of the sun running out of gas and turning into
a red giant and sauteing humanity are incorrect concepts?
A: No. 3rd level, Laura, 3rd level!
Q: (L) So, in 3rd level it will...
Q: (L) How long ago was North Africa green and fertile and what
geologic factors created the state in which we find it today?
A: Weather changes in 3rd density 10,000 years ago.
Q: (L) Scientists have been making a lot of conjectures about the
matter of the Universe and what they have been saying is that 90 to
95% of the matter needed to make the universe stable is unaccounted
for. They call this dark matter. There have been a number of
theories proposed as to what this dark matter consists of. I would
like to know what is this dark matter?
A: You are “chasing rainbows” and so are they.
Q: (L) What is the source of cosmic background radiation?
A: 3rd level cosmic light rays.
Q: (L) Is there anything else we can add to that?
Q: (L) Where on earth was man first seeded?
[Laughter] Sorry, I couldn’t resist that.
(L) Was man first seeded
in one particular place?
Q: (L) It was stated that the earth once had a water vapor canopy.
Was this one of the reasons for longevity in that time?
A: Yes, and already answered this. Review transcripts.
Q: (L) What are the effects of sunlight on the human body now as
opposed to then?
Q: (L) Does that mean that we should avoid sunlight because we no
longer have our canopy?
A: You cannot avoid enough to matter.
Q: (T) It’s everywhere, all day long.
(F) When you are inside you
are still exposed to radiation. The radiation in the air is leftover
junk from the light rays coming in.
(T) The radiation is everywhere,
even at night. Speaking of which, did you see the article about the
chunk of ice that broke off in Antarctica the size of Rhode Island.
The scientists said: “We don’t understand why.” And Antarctica is
where the major ozone hole has been for the last five years.
Well, they have been predicting that for years...
(T) Hope it didn’t
fall on anybody’s foot!
(F) That would be heavy enough that you
wouldn’t feel it.
(L) Has the woman, who is now known as Leah Haley,
and I understand that she legally changed her name to protect her
family, has she been harassed by the U.S. government, or it this a
screen memory put in by aliens with concomitant confirmations?
A: Yes to question one and no to question two.
Q: (T) Are any of her memories of abductions by Grays screen
memories of abductions by the government?
Q: (T) Why is she being abducted?
A: Review your data.
Q: (L) Then, she is being abducted for the same reason we are being
(J) The agenda is the same all the way down the line.
A: Is this a review session?
Q: No. Okay.
A: Then why ask repeat questions?
Q: (L) Well, we didn’t know it was a repeat question.
(J) We don’t
have the transcripts memorized just yet.
(L) If there was an
agreement between the U.S. and the aliens, how was this agreement
reached. Who met with who where and when?
Q: (L) Well, you never told us that exactly.
A: Yes we did.
Q: (L) No you didn’t.
(J) Don’t argue with them.
(L) Well, what
happened to Captain Thomas Mantell on 7 January 1948, when he
attempted to track a UFO? Whose craft was it?
A: Grays and he lost consciousness, thus piloting his plane above
Q: (L) So, in other words they didn’t zap him, he just lost control.
(T) Yeah, he was flying a P 51 Mustang and he went too high.
one point in a previous session, the remark was made when Terry was
talking about directions, that knowledge of compass direction was
going to become very important in the not too distant future. Could
you tell us why this is so?
A: Because you will have increased sensitivity to magnetic
Q: (L) So, in other words your comment was not that we
learn this but that this would become important because our
sensitivity would increase?
Q: (L) Does our learning of compass directions act to increase our
A: Catch 22.
Q: (T) It is a contradiction. In the book: You have to keep flying
the bombing missions because we don’t have enough people to win the
war, but we won’t let you fly if you are crazy because we can’t have
a crazy person in the airplane with all those bombs. But, the doctor
can’t determine that you are crazy, you have to say that you are
crazy so that the doctor can sign the papers, but if you say that
you are crazy then the doctor can’t sign the papers because one
indication of sanity is to know that you are crazy, therefore you
have to fly.
(F) It’s a no-win situation.
(J) Does it have anything
to do with the fact that when we move to 4th density we will lose
the physicality we use to navigate with now?
A: One half of equation.
Q: (T) Okay, we have the ability to tell direction because of our
physicality which will increase to the point where we will be able
to sense direction when we don’t need direction because we won’t be
Q: (T) That is the Catch-22. You will have the great direction sense
when you don’t need it.
A: You will have variable physicality.
Q: (J) Yeah, so in switching from one to the other you don’t want to
get disoriented. If you have compass knowledge ingrained in you when
you switch from physical to non- physical, you will know where you
(L) In a previous session we talked about the feline principle
as represented by the sphinx, and the fact that Egyptians worshipped
cats. Is there anything more you can give us on this? Why was this
so? Was the cat representative of some principle we need to learn or
A: This is not really important.
Q: (T) Is the cat and the cat symbol itself important in some way?
A: You are; up to the perceiver.
Q: (L) We talked about the scarab and why the scarab represented
eternal life to the Egyptians, and then we went into the thing about
the scarab rolling dung. What is there in the symbolism of the
scarab that might be significant to us today?
A: Up to you.
Q: (L) In the annotated copy of the Morris K. Jessup book, there
were three people annotating: Mr.A., Mr. B., and one known as Jemi.
One of the references was to the sighting made by Kenneth Arnold. In
reference to that sighting, Mr.B wrote: “Don’t worry, Jemi, those
were LM ships not S men. They are an improved type and were on a
training flight. That is why their leader interconnected their force
fields, to teach them level tele-control without inducing a fear
block.” Now, what is an LM ship?
A: Light matter.
Q: (L) What is an “S man?”
A: Secret order member.
Q: (L) What is the secret order?
A: That is for you to discover.
Q: (L) What does it mean that their leader interconnected their
force fields to teach them level telecontrol?
Q: (L) Jemi’s comment on Jessup’s discussion on mysterious
disappearances of persons throughout history is quite chilling.
Written in the margin of the book was: “Hey, if he only knew why
he’d die of shock!” To what does this refer?
A: We cannot reveal this at this “time.”
Q: (L) So you are saying that there is a whole lot more to this
situation and what is going on on this planet than even we have been
told at this time?
A: Of course.
Q: (L) So if there is a lot more to this, would we, knowing what we
know, “die of shock” if we knew the rest?
Q: (L) Well, that is not pleasant. Okay, Jessup wondered in his book
aviators could be frozen by space ships and carried away in a field
of invisibility. Mr. B commented in the margin: “If only he knew by
experience, he would keep silent and not write or speak of it ever
again in his lifetime. He couldn’t speak of it, for, you see Jemi,
it paralyzes one’s sense of time and nullifies mental cognition,
functioning and memory. So he has no knowledge, he could not have,
he is only guessing.”
Q: (T) Okay what?
A: Exactly correct!
Q: (L) There are a lot of terms in this book...
A: Too much data.
Q: (L) There was some conjecture as to who wrote these comments. Can
you give us a clue as to who did the annotations in this book?
A: Discover. If we told you everything, it would not be good!!
Q: On that note, I think we will close for the night.
A: Good night.
Q: (L) Well, here are the terms: Mothership Homeship Deadship Great
ark Great bombardment Great return Great war Little men Forcefields
Deep freezes Undersea building Measure markers Scout ships Magnetic
and gravity fields Sheets of diamond Cosmic Rays Force cutters
Undersea explorers Inlay work Clear talk Telepathing Burning coat
Nodes Vortices Magnetic nets and what happens to people, planes and
ships that have disappeared. The three commentators of Jessup’s book
explain the origin of odd storms, clouds, objects falling from the
sky, strange marks and footprints and other things we have not
(F) If you were to try to find out about all of that, it
would be like trying to bite into a grapefruit that is 19 stories
tall, and swallow it all in one gulp.
(L) Well they say to
“discover” things like this. How the heck are we supposed to
discover these things?
(F) This will come to us step-by-step.
doesn’t really matter.
(L) It does matter because they say that
knowledge protects. This is knowledge.
(F) I know, but you can’t get
it all at once. Look how much you have acquired in the last three
years, the last eight months. You are so impatient. You expect to
have your mind totally input with all of this and then to go back
and have fun with your children, eating popcorn and watching movies.
It wouldn’t work that way. This is what you would be like if you had
all this knowledge at once. [Demonstrates extreme spasticity.
Laughter.] Is that what you want?
(T) Yeah, the kids would get their
popcorn and sit around and watch mom! Better than a movie.
rest of your existence in 3rd density would consist of
eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh!!! [Laughter] Doctors would be coming and
injecting you with glucose and stomach feeding and you wouldn’t feel
it. You would be still going eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh-eh! You can’t
get it all at once! I have the feeling that as time progresses that
we are going to get an enormous input of knowledge, every session
has to be absorbed. You can’t just get it all dumped into your brain
like a dumptruck.
(T) We are doing what we are supposed to be doing.
(F) I suspect that some of those annotations in that book were
coming from a 4th density being who already knew all of this stuff
the way we know about tiddly winks. But, that is all fine and good.
We are not there yet.
(L) Why would somebody annotate this book this
way and send it to the ONI?
(F) To show the ONI how little they
(S) It worked, they now have a study group!
(F) Besides, if we
get too much too quickly, you will be sitting watching a movie and
all of a sudden you will hear a knock on the door and there will be
four gray suits out there asking for you!
End of Session
Back to Contents
March 7, 1995
Freddie, Laura, SV, MT, Mark
Q: (L) Hello.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (L) And where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea, of course.
Q: (L) We have some questions tonight. We were discussing earlier
this evening the ‘abomination of desolation’ as written about by the
prophet Daniel and also spoken of by Jesus. What is this?
Q: (L) Are you saying that the abomination of desolation IS
disinformation, or that the writing about it is disinformation?
Q: (L) Can you tell us anything to clarify this point?
A: In what way?
Q: (L) Who, or what was the source of that information as prophesied
Q: (L) The prophecies given to Daniel were disinformation?
Q: (L) Is there an ‘abomination of desolation?’
A: There is anything, if the definitions are unrestricted.
Q: (L) Well, okay. Who were the Elohim of the Bible?
Q: (L) What does that mean? Transcends definition?
A: And variable entities.
Q: (L) Were the Elohim ‘good guys?’
A: First manifestation was human, then non-human.
Q: (L) Are they light beings as some people say?
Q: (L) Well, what brought about their transformation from
A: Pact or covenant.
Q: (L) They made a pact or covenant with each other?
A: No, with 4th density STS.
Q: (L) Well, that is not good! Are you saying that the Elohim are
STS? Who were these STS beings they made a pact with?
A: Rosteem, now manifests as Rosicrucians.
Q: (L) What is their purpose?
A: As yet unrevealable to you.
Q: (L) That’s heavy! Okay, what is the source of the ‘Keys of Enoch’
teaching? James Hurtak claims that he was taken up to the higher
realms and that the ‘Keys’ were programmed into him...
A: Disguised reality.
Q: (L) The place that he was taken to?
A: No the place, the message.
Q: (L) What is the source of this disguised reality?
A: Research; one here studies a bit too much to discover explosive
Q: (L) Okay. Is there coded information in this book on several
levels as M__ suggests?
A: There is coded information all over the place. Suggest slower
studying in order to discover earth shaking principles.
Q: (L) Who is studying too hard?
A: You. Slower would help. Remember the old parable about biting off
you can chew?
Q: (MT) What are we supposed to do if not study?
A: M__ is resistant.
Q: (MT) To what?
A: Why do you think you are having difficulty determining the course
Q: (MT) Resistant to what?
A: The message about slowing down. It is important because it is
hard to see
the veins in the leaves when the car is travelling too fast to see
Q: (L) Well, she does seem to be living life in the ‘fast lane,’ so
A: Incorrect interpretation. It is not living life in the fast lane,
trying to absorb too much too quickly.
Q: (L) In other words, she is running on too rich a gas mixture?
A: Clumsy analogy, but the right idea.
Q: (MT) I’m not quite sure what is meant here.
A: Metaphysics overload. It is a good path, but we suggest that you
like the tortoise than the hare.
Q: (L) Well, she is looking for a path where she can combine her
studies and also make a living.
A: Readings, therapies, rather than “teaching.” Become the therapist
than the therapy instructor! People crave individual attention, have
you not noticed?
Q: (MT) Well, I make a lot more when I read than when I teach.
Q: (MT) How can I get more work in that respect?
A: That will take care of itself when you network, which you are
Q: (L) Okay, there is a journalist coming here on Friday who wants
to talk to me...
A: Be open in your mind regarding the flow of the situation. You
have a tendency
to forget that all do not share your ability to expand consciousness
Q: (L) So, you mean he is going to be a real skeptic and
I am going to have to deal with validation issues?
A: That is not the point. The audience will be looking for flaws in
materialistic reference point, so you must be cautious, lest you be
made to look irrational.
Q: (L) Well, then I guess I better not talk about exorcisms or
anything like that.
Q: (L) Okay. I will try to stay balanced. I don’t want to have to
leave the country.
(MT) I would like to know what my connection is
with the Hindu temple?
A: Nice people, but not your place. You needed the uplifting
vibrations during a particularly stressful and disappointing period!
Q: (MT) Should I bring my bookstore back?
Q: (MT) Can you suggest a way for me to find a place for my books?
A: One last time, network and all falls into place.
Q: (L) Has Mark been abducted?
Q: (L) Why won’t you answer that?
A: Another session we will.
Q: (M) Can you indicate to me what I am supposed to do in my career?
A: Career path should be, as for everyone, that which is attractive,
Q: (L) In terms of material activities, what would be the best
course for Mark to follow in his healing process right now?
A: Don’t follow. Not following anything is a key. It is up to the
Q: (L) Could you give us in a few words, the potential in each of
us, for the greatest forward movement or growth?
A: We cannot tell anyone of you this, because then you would not
learn, and if
you do not learn, you do not progress as an individual soul!
Is there such a thing as a ‘soul number’ as someone we know has been
A: Only if you want there to be. Time to say “good night, Gracie.”
Q: (L) Good night.
End of Session
Back to Contents
March 11, 1995
Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, SV
Q: (L) Hello.
A: Real UFOs S__.
Q: (T) The word is coming off the board because the surface is too
slick to hold the ink. [We were using a new board and had added
several words and punctuation marks to it.]
Q: (T) Is this satisfactory even though we are losing the word
A: Losing density is a common experience.
Q: (J) Are we talking about dieting?
A: Several interpretations.
Q: (T) I love mirth!
A: Mirth is good.
Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
Q: (T) Hi, Sorra!
(L) And where are you from?
A: Hi, Terry! Cassiopaea.
Q: (T) We have provided a new board. Works great.
A: Please make a habit of this!
Q: (T) We all like the new board, yes indeed!
A: Smooth, have called others to observe in amazement!
A: Next demonstration please use this or a similar board.
Q: (L) We are sorry that we had to use the old board for the
(T) We were all winging it! Did we do okay today?
A: Okay today, we are actually having fun with this board. Love
A: Yeah! This is Deanorrilloa, I am impressed too! Oppilmno, me too!
energy will soar tonight to new levels!
Q: (J) Does it have something to do with our demonstration today and
the new board?
Q: (J) You guys are going to get whiplash moving around the board so
A: You are good!
Q: (T) We owe it all to us!
Q: (L) Tell us about the general...
A: F__ wants back in!
Q: (T) What does F__ want? Yeah, we convinced him today. Why does
F__ want back in?
A: You are a powerful channel, he does know a legitimate one when he
you know! And he is a legitimate researcher who merely got caught up
in an emotional state.
Q: (L) I thought that you said that he was an agent for the Lizzies?
A: Agent provocateur.
Q: (T) They are not saying that we should let him back in, they are
just saying that he wants in.
A: All is up to you.
Q: (L) What was the reaction of A__ B__?
Q: (T) I don’t mind having Andy come if you don’t. I don’t mind as
long as he doesn’t go running and screwing around with F__.
Well, he can do whatever he wants with Forte as long as he doesn’t
bring F__’s energy in here. Only M__ can do that.
(L) Who was the
gray headed, bearded guy?
A: B__ H__s.
Q: (T) Who the heck is B__ H__.
(J) Who was the guy with the pith
He is at L__’s meeting quite often. You guys said the other day that
demonstration that we were going to give today was a destined event.
Q: (L) Tell us now, since we have done it, what was the intent or
the purpose of this destiny?
A: Education of those who could use a little redirection.
Q: (L) All those people there were people with just a little bit of
an open mind. I mean, you almost can’t deal with metaphysical people
because they are generally closet fundamentalists.
(F) Yeah, they
seemed to be more balanced than some of these “New Agers.”
was there so much interference when had the group here a couple of
sessions ago and there was no interference today?
A: Grooved better.
Q: (T) It was also good practice for doing it with a larger group of
A: Did you notice the heightened openness?
Q: (L) Yes we did notice. What was the reason for that?
A: Grooving provides for less interference among other things.
Q: (T) When G__ and the others were here that was the first time we
had that many people here who were all directing the energy at the
channel, so that opened the channel and grooved it wider.
more new people we bring in with the right attitude, the more
grooved it will become.
A: No, it happens as a natural circumstance of events.
Q: (L) Am I correct in thinking that one of the things that happened
today was that we explained quite clearly what was going on, put up
the parameters, and told the people what we would accept in the way
of questions, and that this set up the protection?
Q: (L) A__ wanted us to ask what were the original number of
chromosomes the human being possessed?
A: 135 pairs.
Q: (T) And we now have 23 pairs. So, we lost quite a few
(L) A lot!
(T) Will we get them all back?
A: Wait and see.
Q: (L) I want to ask about the fellow with the Coral Castle. We went
over to see Hillard, as you know. He had an accident after we saw
him, the very next day, in fact. Was this accident caused to prevent
him from communicating with us any further?
A: Open. Call him and press for details if you like.
Q: (L) When we were talking to Hillard, he told us about the man who
built the Coral Castle. This fellow had, apparently, in his private
quarters, three objects: a bed, a table, and a swing made of an
airplane seat suspended from the ceiling by a chain, complete with
seatbelts. Is this...
A: You got it right because you are learning and rebundling DNA as a
this and other activities.
Q: (L) Okay, so what S__ and I were hashing out about this mystery,
that was a process of understanding how this man performed these
remarkable feats of engineering and construction, is that it?
A: Hypnotize S__ if you wish.
Q: (L) Will S__ be able to access this knowledge through hypnosis?
A: What do you suppose has happened to S__ in her life, and why does
nagging thoughts about her personal reality which she chooses not to
Q: (S) I think you better hypnotize me. I have nagging thoughts,
(T) Does this bring anything out?
(S) About my personality, I
doubt myself, I don’t know. It’s like a great big question mark.
Do you want to follow up on this? And, they started out with “Real
UFOs, S__.” What does that mean?
A: What does it mean, indeed!
Q: (S) I guess as opposed to projections?
(L) Okay, guys, let’s
connect our brain cells here!
A: No need to connect “brain cells,” using your chakras will do!
Q: (L) Don’t connect your brain cells, connect your chakras. How do
we connect our chakras.
(T) I didn’t know that you could connect
(S) They are all connected always.
(L) But I mean how do we
connect them with each other?
(S) Think it, I guess.
Q: (L) Can you give us a clue on this?
A: You are missing the point, don’t search, just let it happen when
it is ready.
Q: (T) That’s easy enough.
(S) What does “real UFOs” mean?
you opened with that, what does it mean?
A: Ask S__!
Q: (L) Well, we certainly will ask S__.
(S) I have never seen a UFO
that I know of. Maybe I have but I didn’t know it. Does it have
anything to do with the fact that I am adopted?
Q: (L) Maybe you are an alien, S__.
(T) Are you an Orion Federation
(S) Am I?
Q: (S) You have to hypnotize me soon, I am dying of curiosity.
You won’t die, I promise.
(T) Yeah, you are living in Curiosity
(S) I have had some really strange, fragmented dreams lately.
They are only like glimpses...
(T) Lately? Jan or I haven’t had any
strange dreams lately since the last one we talked about, but Jan
had the visual thing with the eye the other night.
(L) Yes, what was
this phenomenon Jan experienced with her eyes the other night?
This is like the third or fourth time this thing has happened to her
over the years.
A: Strand development in progress, [(J) That’s what I thought.]
...if that is what you thought, why hold back, don’t you see your increasing
Q: (T) You have just gained knowledge on what you should
be thinking about the next time it happens. I have been telling her
that when it started that she should just relax, get past the stress
and the fear, and just watch it and see what it does.
(L) Yes, well,
we have all had some strange experiences.
(T) Yes, it is easy for me
to say but hard for me to do and the same is true for all of us.
And with each of us, it is different.
Q: (J) What kind of
abilities are you talking about?
Q: (J) Okay, good...
A: Stop resisting UFO phenomenon, just accept.
Q: (L) What is this? Are you resisting, Jan?
(J) I think I am still
(L) You’re kidding! I guess you need to see one, I
guess. It sure cured me. [Laughter] (J) I have not had any
assurances at all.
(S) Neither have I, as far as we know. [Laughter]
(J) I mean, I know all this stuff...
(T) Can we arrange for
something for all of us to see where you are?
A: You can arrange any time. Laura, more
Q: (T) Do you guys want some coffee? Let me ask, could it be that
you guys are hooked on caffeine and you can only get it through us?
A: Open. How does a 6th density light being go about being “hooked”
from 3rd density?
Q: (S) Okay, Terry, you’d better explain it to them! (T) It is
coming through on the frequency we are transmitting.
(L) Are you
guys getting the caffeine when I drink it?
Q: (T) Are you getting the shot of frequency change it provides?
A: If so, oh well! [Laughter]
Q: (L) I think what it does is make us able to stay up with them.
Q: (T) Oh, come on! You get a little out of it! Yeah, you do!
you like flavored or non-flavored coffee?
A: Terry, what have you been smoking?
Q: (T) Oh! They want some of that too! Ho-ho-ho, mirth, mirth.
It’s those cigars you smoke, Terry!
Q: (L) I assume that you/us have been listening to our/your
A: As always.
Q: (L) Now, what we would like to know is, can you give us pointers
in this regard, or reassurances, because we are still 3rd density
and need reassurance in some respects, as to how to deal with this
A: You are still 3rd density enough to need a lot of things, my
Q: [Oooh!] (L) Yes, but you didn’t answer the question!
(T) They are
good at that.
A: RTB Review memory.
Q: (L) Okay, you said you were making financial arrangements for
A: RTB RTLTHEBSHS
Q: (L) Is this a code?
A: RTL, THE, BSHS...
Q: (Laura and Jan) RATTLE THE BUSHES! [Groans]
A: As you are doing, network!
Q: (L) So, we need to get more stuff and send more stuff out, and do
like Freddie said and look for sponsors and so forth.
A: Ask Eugene Brown about money, he will not likely give, but may
who will! Do you now see the process?
Q: (S) A government grant? [Laughter]
Q: [Much laughter] (T) Let’s ask Newt!
(L) Nyet on Newt!
A: Nyet on Newt! Mirth.
Q: (T) So, there are no Republicans on 6th level... now, what
happened, Laura, when you were looking for the correct Reiki
(L) I asked if I knew someone who knew someone who knew the
(T) And the Cassiopaeans said Helen Davis. And,
when they said that, you said: “Well, Helen doesn’t believe in
Reiki.” Yet Helen knew the person with the correct lineage and
Q: (T) But, you didn’t know she knew someone, yet she sent you to
the person you needed to find.
(T) And, now they are
suggesting Gene Brown. He won’t give us the help, but he will tell
us someone to go see. Is it not the same?
(J) He forks out every
month to pay for the Newsletter and it costs about $150 a month to
print that out.
(L) Jan, didn’t you have a question you wanted to
(J) Yes... I wanted to ask about that “psycho- power”
Where’s the envelope the ad came in? There it is... there is the
(J) Yes, and how come they misspelled my
name... [Laura waves envelope with ad in air]
(L) You see this guys?
We would like to know if this is...
A: “Karnak the Magnificent”
Q: (J) OH!
(L) What’s the matter?
(J) Well, that’s confirmation
enough for me!!
(L) What do you mean?
(J) We were talking about Karnak in the car on the way up today! You know, the Johnny Carson
(T) Karnak gave the answer to questions that were
sealed in envelopes. It was always a joke. He would give a straight
answer to a question that turned out to be a joke. “Humptey Dumptey
had a great fall,” is the one I remember, and the question was “What
happened to Humptey Dumptey when Misses September, October and
November moved into his apartment complex.”
[Groans] Bad jokes.
He would frequently use a play on words for that skit. If there was
someone whose name was in the news a lot, he would say something
like: “Alexander Haig” and then they would open up the envelope and
the question would be “who is the father of the son of Alexander
(L) Well, we can save our money on that one.
Guys, I am still skeptical of this...
(L) What do you mean?
whole thing... I really am... and for that to come through like that
after Terry and I were joking about that in the car on the way here,
and they picked that out specifically... just blows me away... I am
(F) That’s okay. Until you get something that you can
literally put trust in, it isn’t really real for you.
(J) Yes, like
(L) Actually the biggest one was...
(J) George R.
(L) Actually there have been several... the 666 thing was
anybody’s subconscious, I know... none of us could have known about
number-letter relationship... and the thing about...
(J) I think we
each have to
have our own personal thing...
(L) And I have had to have so many of
them, and still, with so many of them piling up, every once in a
while I still go into my doubt mode...
(J) We all do....
(L) What is
this, are we deluding ourselves, is this a master deception by some
(J) My friend Ann over in Palatka, who publishes that
newsletter, the UFOlogist. We played around with the board one
weekend when I went to stay with her. We got this really strange
entity, and it didn’t really go much of anywhere, but one phrase
came through that was very clear that I had seen on a tv episode
several days before, and the other one that came through that got me
was the night before we went to that charity event and the first
word that came up was Poinsettias, and we asked what it meant and
the Cassiopaeans answered that it just came to mind. Well, when we
went to that event the next night, there were Poinsettias all over
(T) Yeah, that country club was just filled with
A: Hand on. [Laura had hand off while looking for papers and puts
planchette when requested.]
Q: (T) Okay, what...
A: Put your hand in the hand of the Cassiopaeans! Put your hand in
the hand of
the “Man” who rides the wave! [Laughter]
Q: (T) Oh, I like that one.
(L) We need to get to our questions...
(J) Gene thinks we need to put a book together on predictions...
I think the words of Jesus on that matter are appropriate: “It is a
weak and faithless generation that seeketh after a sign.”
were talking about that earlier in the car... that the predictions
are minor things compared to what we are actually getting, and that
if you have the knowledge, you don’t need the predictions because
you already know that something is going to happen and you know that
things are not necessarily “set” until just before they happen...
Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came
into being at the “time” of the “Fall” in Eden, and this was said in
such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into
place at that time...
A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered
Q: (L) Okay, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: (L) What is another one of the illusions?
A: The need for physical aggrandizement.
Q: (L) The focus on the physical as the thing one needs to hold onto
(T) Is separate the key word in regard to Monotheism?
Q: (L) What is another of the illusions?
A: Linear focus.
Q: (L) Anything else at this time?
Q: (L) The veil...
(J) The perception of only one dimension...
Were these illusions programmed into us genetically through our DNA?
Q: (L) Are there any others we should cover at this point?
A: Are you finished with the concept?
Q: (L) Well, I don’t know. Can you tell us a little bit about how
these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?
A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do
whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view,
before you reach for the pot of gold?
Q: (L) What does the gold represent?
A: Temptation to limitation.
Q: (L) What does the door represent?
A: Opening for limitation.
Q: (L) Was limitation presented as a pot of gold when, in fact, it
was not? Was this a trick?
A: What is snake?
Q: (T) The Lizards?
(L) Okay, who opened the door.
(T) No, what is the snake.
Q: (L) Does that mean we did not open the door?
Q: (T) Who opened the door?
Q: (L) So, we were, literally...
(T) Who was the snake?
Lizards, they are danger...
Q: (L) Who was the snake?
A: Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping
Q: (J) So we should exercise caution.
(T) Okay, what was the snake?
(J) The result of giving into temptation. The snake represents the
(L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the
temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this
reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of
the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...
A: Giving into temptation.
Q: (L) And this was a trick...
A: No! Tricks don’t exist!
Q: (L) There is an issue here.
(T) Okay, no trick, a trap?
A: No! Traps don’t exist either. Free will could not be abridged if
Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What
were we before the “Fall?”
A: 3rd density STO.
Q: (T) Didn’t you tell us that 3rd density beings could not be STO?
(L) No. They said there are 3rd density STO beings.
(T) We are STS
at this point because of what happened then?
Q: (T) Okay, now, we were STO at that time. The Lizards opened the
door, we are using this as an allegory, I guess, the Lizards opened
the door and showed us a pot of gold hoping that we would reach in
for the pot, or walk through the door, when they were waiting for us
on the other side in order to take us over in some way. Am I on the
A: Hoping is incorrect idea.
Q: (T) Okay, what was it they were trying to do by enticing us?
A: Trying is incorrect idea, continue to probe for learning
Q: (T) We were 3rd density STO at this time. Was this after the
battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd
density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to
A: Was battle.
Q: (L) The battle was in us?
A: Through you.
Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through
(L) The battle was fought through us, we were
literally the battleground.
(T) I got that, but I want to get back
to this analogy to make sure where we are in the overall picture.
The battle was going on when the door was opened. Was the battle
over whether or not we walked through that door?
Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on
this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it’s “when” you choose that
Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? What I am
trying to find out is... there is something important here...
Let’s back up and ask it this way: Prior to this event, humankind
was or was not...
A: Prior to?
Q: (L) Okay, not prior. But, we are still talking about somewhat of
a historical event in a sense even though it is all simultaneous.
This event, somewhere on the cycle, was humankind all one soul, so
Q: (T) We are moving backwards here. Okay, let’s ask it this way...
A: Closer. You were with the thought waves, perhaps better to defer
to him for
Q: (L) Okay, I’ll shut up. Carry on Terry.
(T) I need all the help I
(L) It’s a tough one.
(T) This must tie into why the
Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given
their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are
(J) Yeah, right.
A: Yes, continue.
Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion.
The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation
that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was
opened by the Lizards.
A: No temptation, it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby
Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We
didn’t have to step through.
(F) But, wait a minute now, they keep
saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time Terry says: “They tried
to get us through...”
(L) They said no...
(F) It was always there.
(J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.
didn’t do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door
and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not.
still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the
(T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards
conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us,
just opening it and showing it to us...
A: Provided? ! ?
Q: (L) They didn’t provide it...
(J) It always existed...
(J) It’s there now...
(T) The Lizards...
A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???
Q: (J) You can always go home.
(L) You have always had the power to
Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in
Q: (L) How does a 3rd density STO being conduct their life?
Q: (T) I want to go back to the analogy of the door. The door has
always been there. The temptation has always been there...
(T) Has, is, will be... is always.
A: “When” you went for the gold, you said “Hello” to the Lizards and
Q: (T) Okay, that was what I was trying to get at. You said that the
Lizards, or the forces of STS opened the door.
A: No. Shouldn’t say opened. We said “opened” only to introduce you
concept, so that you would understand.
Q: (L) So, let’s let go of the part that somebody “opened” the door.
(T) The door was always there and always open. I was just trying to
work with the analogy. So, the concept is that, as STO beings we had
the choice of either going for the gold or not. By going for the
gold, we became STS beings because going for the gold was STS.
Q: (T) And, in doing so, we ended up aligning ourselves with the 4th
density Lizard Beings...
Q: (T) Because they are 4th density beings and they have a lot more
abilities than we at 3rd density...
A: You used to be aligned with 4th density STO.
Q: (T) And we were 3rd density STO. But, by going for the gold we
aligned ourselves with 4th density STS.
Q: (T) And by doing so we gave 4th density STS permission to do
whatever they wish with us?
Q: (T) So, when they tell us that we gave them permission to abduct
us, it is this they are referring to?
Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: “Free will could not be
abridged if you
had not obliged.”
(T) We, as the human race, used our free will to
switch from STO to STS.
(L) So, at some level we have chosen the
mess we are in and that is the Super Ancient Legend of the Fallen
Angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to
speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the
door, the serpent bit us!
A: But this is a repeating syndrome.
Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a
repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?
A: It is the latter.
Q: (L) Is this a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation
simply because it is the cyclic nature of things? Or is it as the
Indians call it, Maya?
A: Either or.
Q: (T) Now, you keep referring to the movie, “The Wizard of Oz.” You
have been saying...
A: 6th density inspired.
Q: (T) You have good filmmakers up there in 6th density.
other movies did they inspire?
(T) Before we go off on a sidetrack
like that, I’m still trying to grasp something here... okay, you
keep referring to the movie, and that we have an ability within us
that is something like the Ruby slippers that can take us back to STO any time we wish.
Q: (T) So, all this stuff we have been talking about, the realm
border, the wave, raising the frequencies...
A: Realm wave is the “tornado.”
Q: (T) That is the rough wave moving.
Q: (L) In the analogy of Dorothy and the whole thing, the place
where she started out was Kansas, i.e. STO?
(J) It was in black and
A: Not really.
Q: (L) Was going to the land of Oz the STO state?
Q: (L) So Oz was STS. And Kansas, not necessarily the physical
surroundings, but the state of mind of Dorothy prior to the Oz
experience, was the STO state.
Q: (L) So, we don’t need necessarily to look at Kansas or the fact
that it was filmed in black and white, it is just the state of mind.
The going to Oz...
A: And Elvira Gulch.
Q: (J) The lady that turned into the witch.
A: The witch is the Lizards.
Q: (T) Yeah, okay. Tornado. Dorothy fell from the STO to the STS
state through the tornado. Is this true.
Q: (T) The realm wave you equated to the tornado...
(L) Did a realm
wave interact with...
A: Analyze more carefully, suggest break to do so.
(T) They are equating the tornado as the shift from STO to STS.
Maybe it also is a shift from STS to STO.
(J) Yes, a shift from one
to the other would be dramatic.
(T) Was it a density shift also? The
realm wave is supposed to be a density shift. A window between
densities. Is there also a shifting between STO and STS. Is there a
gateway that you go through? A door?
(F) Oh God! There are so many
(L) And if you switch into STO do you find
yourself on a different Earth?
(T) They said this tornado is
representative of Dorothy going from STO to STS state. She also went
from her reality to a totally different reality.
(F) That’s true.
(J) But swithching from one to the other is going to be traumatic.
(T) They have been talking about a realm wave...
(F) I don’t think
it matters which way, I just think that in that particular story it
was laid out that way.
(T) But what they have been telling us so far
is that the realm wave is a window to move between densities.
(T) But they just said to us that the tornado is an
analogy of a realm wave. But the tornado was a passage from STO to
STS, not from 3rd to 4th density.
(J) Two different things.
True, however, a realm border passage may represent any kind of
(T) That is what I am wondering. Can it also mean that
not only would we shift from 3rd to 4th, but also would we shift
from STS to STO and start out in an STO state there? And then have,
again, whether or not we shift back to an STS state in 4th density?
Do you always start out in an STO state?
(L) Okay, let’s stop.
No, because if a realm border is coming now, and they have told us
over and over again that we are STS, and what they have actually
told us is that the realm border is a shift from 3rd density to 4th
density, and they never said it was a shift from STS to STO, they
have said that it is our choice.
(T) Yes, but they just referred to
the tornado as this realm wave, and, in the Wizard the tornado was
the symbol of shifting from STO to STS.
(J) Is it.
(T) I don’t know.
I’m just trying to get a handle on what they are trying to tell us
here because it is something extremely important.
(J) They have been
saying “Ruby Slippers, Ruby Slippers,” not “tornado, tornado.”
Yeah, they said that just now, that the wave is the tornado.
think that is a different subject, there.
(T) But now it is the same
symbology. The tornado took her from one point to another and the
slippers took her back to point A again. Two different concepts.
Wait a minute.
(L) They said that Kansas wasn’t the STO state.
There are all kinds of intricate little things here, somehow there
must be a way to connect it. You know what it is, remember the
slippers, they said, meant that the pathway was always there for her
to go home.
(J) Yeah, but she had to kill the witch to get the
(F) No, she thought she had to. Don’t you remember Glenda
telling her “Ooh, no dear, you can always go home. All you have to
do is say ‘there’s no place like home.’”
(J) Yeah, but you had to be
wearing those slippers...
(F) No, no... remember, that was an
(L) You’ve always had the power to go home.
(S) Now, you
know what, the tornado could be 5th density, as she was looking out
the window all these things passed by...
(T) Yes, her life passed by
(F) Yes, but they have told us that the realm border passage
itself is going to result in all kinds of hairy stuff going on.
Like I say, switching from STS to STO or back, or from 3rd density
to 4th density, it’s going to be a violent... it is not going to be
an easy passage either way.
(J) It is a radical change in
(T) Yes, but for Dorothy, in the movie, it was violent in
the fact that it was a tornado, though it did not physically hurt
(J) Yes, and that is what we have been told, too.
(F) She was
(T) Yes, but that was a mental thing... it was up here
[pointing to head] where the hurt was. She didn’t get hurt
(F) There is also another thing to speculate about,
throughout the entire movie, she was never hurt physically. Through
all the threats, she was never actually hurt.
(T) It was also 1939,
if the movie had been made in 1995 they would have had machine guns,
missiles, chainsaws, and there would be body counts all over the
place. And she still could have gone home anytime she wanted. You
know, “Dorothy Meets the Terminator.”
(L) “Dorothy and the Chainsaw
(S) “Dorothy Goes to Elm Street.” [Laughter]
(T) It’s the
cross between a children’s fairy story and a Stephen King Nightmare.
(F) You know, the fundamentalists have attacked the Wizard of Oz.
(L) They have? Why?
(T) Because it is Satanic.
(F) Yeah, they say
it’s Hollywood’s effort to pull people away from Christianity and
fundamentalism and all that jazz.
(T) The Wizard of Oz is evil. To
(F) Yes, because you don’t need the celebration
of Christ to get back to Kansas.
(L) Yes, and Cinderella is politically incorrect.
(T) Because she
didn’t sleep with one foot on the floor like all the sitcoms.
(T) I don’t know.
(S) We went from Oz to sitcoms?
think you are mixing your metaphors.
(S) That was Sleeping Beauty.
(T) Yeah, that was Sleeping Beauty in the box.
(J) And one foot on
(L) No, Snow White was in the box.
(T) Snow White was in
the box. Yeah, Disney took all the things that had Beauty sleeping
(L) Did you ever stop and think about that symbology: Sleeping Beauty? Being awakened by a kiss?
(F) Who turns into a
(F) Oh, that’s right, the frog turns into a prince.
Being awakened from the illusion into which one has been put by the
(F) And Cinderella...
(L) And also, in all of these
fairy tales it is because of some choice and lack of knowledge...
(S) The Ugly Duckling...
(T) Yeah, all of
Grimm’s fairy tales were really pretty grim. They have been cleaned
up a whole lot.
(L) Yeah, in the original Cinderella, the step
sister cut off part of her foot to get it to fit the slipper and the
Prince found her out because of the dripping blood.
(Jan and S__) Ooooh! Yuck!
(T) Must have been the glass slipper, cut my foot!
Yeah, it’s pretty grim. One cut her heel off and the other cut her
(T) Are we getting anywhere? We got the idea that when we
fell from STO to STS we gave the Lizzies the right to do what they
are doing. So, when they make the statement that we said they could,
Q: (L) We are having a bit of a puzzlement here because we are
wondering if the tornado which represents the realm wave is
something that moves one from an STO state to an STS state while
still remaining in 3rd density?
A: Okay, that is one way. Okay...
Q: (T) The realm border is not only a way of transferring from one
density to another, but it is also a way of transiting from STS and
STO and back?
A: Can be.
Q: (T) So, those who transit on this pass may transit from 3rd to
4th density and come out as an STO being?
A: In some of the passages.
Q: (L) Okay, so people can either go from STO to STS in 3rd or 4th
density... any of these choices are open at this passing of the
A: Any of the above according to the orientation of the wave.
Q: (L) And what is the orientation of the wave that is coming? Is it
strictly to move us from 3rd density to 4th density? Is this a
function of this wave?
A: We have told you this.
Q: (L) And they have told us that this is a wave from 3rd to 4th
density. Some of the waves, apparently, can move from STO to STS...
(T) Not the wave, the person passing through the wave. As this wave
passes by, does the orientation of the wave depend upon the
A: Compare to seawaves. Waves are a part of the fiber of all nature.
Q: (T) Is it going to depend on where on the wave you are relating
to the cycle, the crest and the trough? As to which way you
transition on it?
Q: (T) In other words, a wave that is going to transition from 3rd
to 4th density will do so no matter where you are on the wave when
Q: (T) A wave that is aligned to transit people from STS to STO or
vice versa will do that also?
A: Or you could “go under” instead.
Q: (T) Under the wave?
(J) Under the water.
(T) Then you wouldn’t
move at all.
(L) You could be pulled under, you could drown and
become part of the primordial soup!
(T) Is that Minestrone?
A: Chicken Noodle. [Laughter.]
Q: (L) Am I right that if you go under you get sucked into the ocean
and start cycling all over again?
A: It is not that simple.
Q: (J) I didn’t think that was simple at all.
(T) Let’s not even
start on that one. I’m still trying to work out this movement from STO to STS. You keep referring to the movie about Dorothy. In the
movie she was told she could go home any time she wanted just by
saying I want to go home, or whatever. That is a lot easier than
going through all the conniptions and contankerations waiting out
this wave that comes only once every so often. Is there a way for us
to go back to STO that is easier and simpler than hanging out for
300,000 years waiting for this wave to come around?
Q: (T) Okay, now we are getting
somewhere. Where are we going?
Well, they already to shut my mouth.
(T) But now you have caffeine,
you can assist me.
[Laughter] So, there is another way of doing this.
A: Now wait a minute, are you ready to just go to 4th density right
Q: (J) Well, probably not. I don’t think I’m finished yet.
I am ready. Right now. Let’s roll! Jan, feed the cats when you get
(L) Even the idea of just taking off and leaving and
abdicating your responsibilities and agreements is an STS thing.
Yeah, but I’d be 4th density STS.
(S) You and the Lizzies!
now, I wasn’t saying... I’m not ready to go now because I’m wanted
here! Anyway, what you are saying is that the realm wave is not the
only way to make the transition, is this correct?
A: One idea presented.
Q: (T) That idea is the wave is the way of moving a large group of
beings, is this true?
A: Off center.
Q: (L) Well, the wave is just part of a grand cycle.
(T) And we are
here to set up a frequency to pull as many beings through the wave,
when it passes, and that is the whole purpose of why we are here...
Is this so?
A: That implies interference with free will.
Q: (L) So, we are here to set up a frequency so that others may join
(J) And when we get to 4th density we make the choice or
change from STS to STO...
(L) Who do the munchkins represent?
A: 2nd density beings.
Q: (L) Do the monkeys represent the Grays?
A: If you wish.
Q: (L) Who do the Witches soldiers represent?
Q: (L) Who does the Wizard represent?
A: Think, learn, discover.
Q: (L) I think we have had enough on this subject.
End of Session
Back to Contents