January 11, 1995

Freddie and Laura. Barry and Susy Konicov via telephone

Q: Is anyone with us?
A: Yes.

Q: Freddy is talking with Susy Konicov.
A: Channel disrupted.

Q: (Susy) Are you from the same group as the Pleiadians?
A: Same. When at Pleiades, Pleiadians, when at Cassiopaea, Cassiopaeans. Light beings.

Q: (Susy) What kind of source are you?
A: 6th density.

Q: (Susy) Why are you choosing Laura and Fred to transmit this information?
A: Because balancing fields are correct.

Q: (Barry) Maitreya... What is the destiny of this person in this lifetime?
A: Plays prominent role in disinformation process.

Q: (Barry) Is Benjamin Creme aware of that?
A: No.

Q: (Barry) Are the E.T.s putting thoughts in Benjamin Creme’s head?
A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) What is their purpose in this?
A: To cause confusion, diversion, and deception so that reality channels may be cloaked. Self explanatory.

Q: (Barry) Does this mean so that what we think is real really isn’t?
A: Close.

Q: (Barry) This must mean that the Aliens want to give us one person to focus on which is so spectacular, so that we cannot see the truth.
A: Remember warnings about false prophets in the “desert.”

Q: (Barry) Does this mean that Benjamin Creme is an STS person?
A: Yes, indirectly.

Q: (Barry) Is he the antichrist?
A: No. The “antichrist” is not an individual, but consortium.

Q: (Barry) Who is the Consortium?
A: Term refers to idea of large body of individuals.

Q: (L) Who specifically?
(Fred) Human beings?
A: Yes and others.

Q: (Barry) Are these beings who have lived longer than most people live in one lifetime?
A: Confused thought patterns.

Q: (Barry) Are these people who have reincarnated for lifetime after lifetime and have kept the same memory to continue the same plan?
A: Only a select few.

Q: (Barry) Is this channeling going to go beyond the primitive method of one letter at a time, or is it going to go into the method of writing or typing or direct channeling consciously or unconsciously?
A: Can now, less danger of corruption through this method.

Q: (Barry) What is the purpose of this contact?
A: To help you to learn, thus gain knowledge, thus gain protection, thus progress.

Q: (Barry) What do the Cassiopaeans gain from this contact?
A: By helping you, we are moving toward fulfilling of our destiny of union with you and all else, thus completing the Grand cycle.

Q: (Barry) Is this the only probability open to you or is this the best probability open to you?
A: Both.

Q: (Barry) Are you a great distance from us in light years?
A: Distance is a 3rd density idea.

Q: (Barry) Light years is 3rd density?
A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) What do you mean by traveling on the wave?
A: Traveling on thoughts.

Q: (Fred) Our thoughts or your thoughts?
A: Not correct concept.

Q: (L) What is the correct concept?
A: All is just lessons.

Q: (L) Whose thoughts are they?
A: Thoughts unify all reality in existence and are all shared.

Q: (Susy) You travel on a wave of energy created by all thought forms?
A: Thought forms are all that exists!

Q: (Barry) Have those that are STS acknowledged that those that are STO are going to win in this race or conflict?
A: No, absolutely not! In fact, the STS cannot conceive of “losing” but instinctively feel pressure building upon them, that is the reason for the impending turmoil.

Q: (Barry) What happens to them when they lose, does this mean that they are degaussed, or does that mean that they have to go back and do the whole evolutionary process all over again on the other polarity?
A: Latter.

Q: (Barry) So, there is a nexus point coming up?
A: Close. When we said “close” we meant concept was “close” to reality. Not close in terms of time or distance.

Q: (Barry) At that point do they experience the pain that they have caused?

(L) Good question!
A: No, that is what happens on 5th level only.

Q: (Barry) What is the proper protocol when meeting a Lizard?
A: Up to you!

Q: (Fred) I don’t think I’ll repeat that Barry.

(L) Did he use the “F” word?
(Fred) No, he referred to a part of the anatomy.

(Barry) Are Lizards shape shifters?
A: All on 4th level of density have that ability.

Q: (Barry) Do they have the ability to block their true appearance?
A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) Are they walking around amongst us now?
A: Infrequently, they use “agents” to do most of their tasks on 3rd level.

Q: (Barry) Are these agents the “Men in Black” or are they the “Grays?”
A: Both and many others. Men in Black are often Lizards cloaked as human types, and can remain on 3rd density level for limited periods called short wave cycle. Men in Black claim to be government in order to have excuse to have direct contact with selected humans.

Q: (Barry) Have these Men in Black killed humans?
A: No.

Q: (Fred) They just threaten?
A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) Have the Lizards killed humans?
A: Oh yes!!!

Q: (Barry) There is a book out that says that if you meet the Buddha on the road you should kill him, should we do the same with a Lizard?
A: Strange.

Q: (Barry) Is there a physical confrontation going on in other than 3rd density that is resulting in bodies being blown apart and death and destruction and so on?
A: Not exactly, remember, you are applying 3rd level ideas to 4th level reality, which does not fit.

Q: (Barry) Does that mean that blowing bodies apart does not fit?
A: Yes.

Q: (Barry) But they do have physical bodies on the 4th level, don’t they?
A: Transitory.

Q: (Barry) So are ours.
A: No, yours aren’t.

Q: (Barry) Because they can shape-shift does that mean that if they were to be shattered they could bring their bodies back together again into the shape they just were?
A: Close.

Q: (Barry) Are the Lizards behind any of the apparitions of the Virgin Mary around the world?
A: Yes. All of them.

Q: (Barry) What is the purpose behind this?
A: Diversions and disinformation so that knowledge will be dispersed, therefore more will be open to attack.

Q: (L) If you think about it, propagating belief in the “old time religions” which include belief in hell or purgatory tend to put a person in a very vulnerable position because then they are open to thoughts of guilt, sin, and are therefore susceptible to thought control and terror.
A: Yes.

Q: (Susy) Theo, through the “Ashtar Command” Channeled through Yvonne Cole, predicted a landing of aliens in December 1994, was this a fabrication or was this a miscalculation?
A: Fabrication.

Q: (Susy) She is such a nice person...
A: Channel is deceived.

Q: (Susy) Who is really channeling through Yvonne Cole?
A: Agents of the Lizards, more disinformation. Who is not receiving disinformation, then, you ask? Well, you will know when you have opened your mind and have received much information; now message to you: Konicovs, we are aware of your work, and you are close to a major “breakthrough,” however, beware that STS forces are trying to defeat you, and we would suggest you slow down your battles against STS forces a little, so as to prevent too much heat from them coming down upon you!!

Q: (Susy) Are you talking about the de-taxing work Barry is doing?
A: Precisely.

Q: (L) Are they marking them?
A: Have already been watched closely.

Q: (L) Barry is not one to step back, so what can they do to protect themselves?
A: Knowledge is protection. Two calls recently.

Q: (L) Did you have two calls? About what or from who?
A: Had to do with “business” but was ruse.

Q: (L) Okay, I think that is all their questions. We thank you.

[Phone conversation is terminated]

Q: Are you still with us?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Tell us what Barry and Susy think of the reading you just gave them?
A: Enthralled.

Q: (L) Well, they may call it a primitive method, but all the people who are doing straight channeling are producing straight crap.
(L) As you know we have a very large hole in our cellar and we haven’t reached anything yet. Are you sure there is something under there?
A: Search carefully.

Q: (L) Could it be in the dirt that has already been taken out?
A: No.

Q: (L) Which way to go from where the hole is. How much deeper? I mean, I know you told us to keep on, but if we don’t find something pretty soon... I mean, how much can you dig? The whole cellar will disappear into this hole.
A: Patience pays.

Q: (L) Well can you just tell me how much deeper...
A: Sift carefully.

Q: (L) Sift the sand that’s already taken out or the sand that’s coming out?
A: All.

Q: (L) Do we need to go deeper?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Do we need to go wider?
A: Patience!!!

Q: (L) Freddie, do you know how big a hole there is in that cellar?

(F) No, but I’d love to see it.

(L) You and I could take this table and sit in that hole comfortably.

(F) How long did it take you to dig that?

(L) They’ve just been working on it today.

(F) There could be tons of stuff inside the dirt.

(L) Now, I’m in a real tough spot, guys. I’ve either got to go with P__, and his deal is pretty poor or do something else and I don’t know what that would be. At least that is the only option I see.
A: Sorry, but you must decide what to do it’s part of learning process.

Q: (L) Are Barry and Susy going to play an important part in the work we are doing in the future?
A: Probably, but wait and see.

Q: (L) What is P__ thinking about the deal just now?
A: Money.

Q: (L) He wants the mortgage?
A: Why not negotiate and explain your position honestly?

Q: (L) That is what I am going to do.
A: He will understand delays better, no one can blame you for wanting best “deal.”

Q: (L) I want to ask one other thing, recently the personal effects of J__ O__ were found, can you tell us what kind of vehicle was driven out to that area in which those items were...
A: Time for you to move on past this issue.

Q: (L) J__ was talking to me and she said that she really thought J__ was trying to get people to solve this mystery...
A: Aunt Clara strikes again.

Q: (L) Should I send Freddie to Sharky?
A: Up to you. Time to go.

Q: (L) Thank you and good night.

End of Session


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January 14, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom M and Andrea

Q: (L) Is anyone with us?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Hnorra.

Q: (L) Where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Why is the movement so slow this evening?
A: It will speed up dramatically, so be patient. Send the little one away, please.

Q: (L) Why do the children have to be kept at a distance?
A: As protection against possible psychic damage as soul is not yet fully blossomed!

Q: (L) Does this mean that when a person’s soul comes into their body at birth that it is kind of like reduced to a seed form or like the bud of a flower, and that the growing up years are either the rooting or...
A: It is a reawakening period.

Q: (L) Does that mean that when the soul comes into the body that it cannot, at that point, remember any of it’s past experiences...
A: Cycle.

Q: (L) So it cycles like ebbing and flowing and that is the ebb point where there is very little awareness?
A: Something like that.

Q: (L) We have some questions and the first one is: You have told us in the past that you are us in the future and that you are moving this way to merge with us.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) As we measure time, how far in the future are you us?
A: Indeterminate as you measure time.

Q: (L) Does this mean that at the point in time when the wave arrives on the earth in this upcoming event that you have given us the information to plot the ETA, is that the time at which you will merge with us and become us in the future?
A: No, that is not the correct concept.

Q: (L) You have said that when the wave arrives that you will merge with us. Is this the same thing that you are talking about when you say that you are us in the future?
A: No.

Q: (L) So, we are talking about two separate events or subjects, or two separate points in space/time, is that correct?
A: No. You are again slipping into trying to apply 3rd density logic to higher levels of density reality.

Q: (L) So, this is pick on Laura night!
A: No. We are trying to help everyone to advance.

Q: (L) So, we are not talking about the same event...
A: What is “future,” anyway?

Q: (L) The future is simultaneous events, just different locales in space/time, just a different focus of consciousness, is that correct?
A: Yea, so if that is true, why try to apply linear thinking here, you see, we are merging with you right now!

Q: (L) I see.
(T) So, what you are trying to say is that when the wave comes it is going to take us to 4th density, if we are ready, but we are not actually going to merge with you in 6th density at that point, but we may experience a “merge” at that point because all points of focus merge during transition from one density to another?
A: Partly correct, partly way off.

Q: (J) What part is right and what part is wrong?
(T) The wave is going to take those of us who are, at that point ready, to move us into 4th density, is this part correct?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Which part of it is open?
A: You are a 4th density candidate.

Q: (T) So, we are 4th density candidates but that doesn’t necessarily mean that we will make it into 4th density, true?
A: Partly.

Q: (T) As 4th density candidates, anyone that is, when the wave comes, if they have reached the correct frequency vibration, and have raised themselves up to the point that the wave will take them, they will, at that point, move into 4th density, true?
A: Close enough.

Q: (T) Now, when those who move into 4th density make the move, will they experience a completeness or merge with all other densities of their being, at that point, even if it is for a short time?
A: For one immeasurably small instant, this is what is meant by “illumination”!

Q: (T) But, for that small instant, because there really is no time, maybe an instant or an aeon, depending on how any individual might measure it, we might experience oneness with ourselves?
A: It may seem to last “forever.”

Q: (L) Is this what is known as the “rapture?”
A: Some have attempted to explain instinctive thought patterns this way.

Q: (L) Is the moving into 4th density, and the understanding we have of it, which is the possible transcending or leaving a 3rd density earth, which is under great assault in terms of cataclysmic activity and so forth, and moving to a place where none of that is apparent, is this what is known as the “rapture?”
A: Laura, you are reaching.

Q: (L) Well, Jan and I were talking about it this week, it’s her fault. Don’t blame it on me.

(J) It’s my fault.

(L) Jan made me do it. [laughter]
A: Jan is the “boogie” man!

Q: (L) That’s right, Jan is the boogie man, she did it.

(J) Wait a minute!

(T) You took responsibility.

(J) No, I kinda like that! Thank you.

(L) We have a couple of questions that can be answered, I think, fairly quickly, so let’s get them out of the way. Jan, as you know, her mother passed away yesterday morning, and she is very interested in knowing where her mother is at this point, and what condition she finds herself in. Can you give her this information?
A: She is at 5th level density now.

Q: (L) Is she finding her introduction to this level to be pleasant?
A: That is subjective.

Q: (L) I knew that was coming. Any more questions on that, Jan, I don’t want to get fussed at.

(J) No, that’s alright. Has my mother been having OBE’s in the last month?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, Terry had a very interesting experience when he was standing outside his house.
A: Terry has many of those.

Q: (T) Yes, thank you, I do. It’s amazing how they come to me. I was standing outside. There’s a lot of cats in the neighborhood and we, ourselves, have six cats. They look at one a lot and I recognize cats for cats and don’t think it is possible that I made a mistake in this. A cat came around one of the trees across the street from me, and it wasn’t a regular cat. It was much larger. It looked at me and hunched down into it’s cat-like stance and locked on me. Was this a real cat, or a bob cat?
A: Yes, it was a bobcat from Northeastern Pinellas Piney woods preserve.

Q: (L) Is there a preserve in that direction from you?

(T) Yes, it is up on the Pasco/Pinellas border, down from us here as a matter of fact.
A: Up from you, Terry. Learn direction better, please. Compass awareness is to
be vital in the future.

Q: (T) I know it is up from me, but I am north of the place now and I’m talking as if I am in St. Petersburg, saying up from me, but it is south of me at the moment.
A: Incorrect, you were speaking from home in your mind.

Q: (T) True.

(L) Busted!

(T) You guys are cool!

(L) What was it you said, “Love a 6th density dude with a sense of humor!”
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are there dudes and dudesses up there?
A: Yes, cool dudes and dudesses! [laughter]

Q: (L) Now, come on, stop it, I am trying to get a question in here!
A: Stop what?

Q: (L) Stop fooling around, I want to get these questions done.
A: But we are having fun, is there anything wrong with that?

Q: (L) No, but I want to get through my questions.

(T) Lighten up, a fun session is something we need.
A: Uptight. [laughter]

Q: (T) We got a live one tonight.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) It’s because of you, Terry.

(T) Thank you.

(L) You got all this practical joke business going...
A: No, Andrea.

Q: (T) Andrea! My goodness. [laughter] Why Andrea?
A: She is fun loving.

Q: (T) Okay, we’re having fun tonight. Go on, ask the next question.

(L) Can I ask my question now?
A: Oh, what the hell, go for it!

Q: (T) I didn’t know W.C. Fields had made it to 6th level. [laughter]

(L) Seriously now...
A: Seriously now, folks!

Q: (L) The other night as I was reading by the window, I saw something white pass by the window. In order for anything to pass that window, it would have to be very tall or floating. Also, my dogs would not have allowed anything to be passing by my window unless they were dead, drugged or paralyzed in some way. After a few minutes I explained it to myself as having just seen my cigarette smoke float by in my peripheral vision, but, after thinking a while, I realized that after all these years of smoking, I have an acute sense of what smoke is and where it is around me. Therefore, I think that some sort of awareness cued me that I was seeing something besides a waft of smoke. Can you tell me what it was, outside my window, or was it just my cigarette smoke?
A: You are gradually experiencing more and more “bleedthroughs” of 4th density.

Q: (L) What did I see go by my window?
A: Fourth density energy source.

Q: (L) Is an energy source like an entity or being?
A: Tell us what you imagine 4th density to be like, Laura?

Q: (L) Well, I have no idea.

(T) Good answer.
A: Okay, then please try harder to discover.

Q: (L) Do you mean right now?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Can we help?
A: Yes. You see without further progress in this area, we cannot adequately explain details of 4th density life.

Q: (L) Alright guys, how do we imagine 4th density life to be.

(T) Let me ask a question first.
A: Free association.

Q: (T) Is this energy source that she saw not necessarily a being or an entity, but loose energy being transmitted from 4th density?
A: Answer to that depends upon greater understanding of 4th level reality.

Q: (L) Why do I have this gripping and pinching sensation on the back of my neck right at this moment?
A: We are blasting open your learning chakra.

Q: (T) Did it just start?

(L) Oh, yes. It feels like I am being gripped by a pair of pincers right at the base of my neck. Okay, 4th density is like, am I correct, that it is similar to the dream state. The instant you think something or focus on it, it happens or becomes real?
A: Continue.

Q: (L) And that, for example, if you wished to be on a boat on the water, that you would find yourself on a boat on what is actually a more real ocean that the ocean we experience here, because, in every way it matches your expectations, down to the glints of sunlight on the water...
A: Slip 4th.

Q: (J) Like slipping gears?

(L) Am I slipping?
A: Yes. Why do you need a boat?

Q: (L) Well, just because in that particular fantasy the idea is to be on a boat.

(T) But it is not a fantasy.

(L) It is reality. Okay. So, in other words, 4th density is a realm where your thoughts instantly manifest as reality. If, for example, you think of yourself being a princess in a tower, a castle would manifest and you would be in a tower, and if you wanted your hair to hang down to the ground, it would hang down too.
A: That is 5th level stuff.

Q: (L) Okay, so, we have something in between that and 3rd level.
A: Continue.

Q: (T) Does it closely resemble 3rd density, but different in some manner?
A: No.

Q: (T) You were saying that when the transition comes about that there would be a 3rd and 4th level earth, and some people would be 3rd density on the 3rd density earth, and some would be 4th density on the 4th level earth.
A: One possibility for you to ponder.

Q: (L) Okay, let’s take a short break... [break] Now, guys, I guess you have been listening to our discussion and you listened to Jan read the paragraph from the article about 4th density experience being the highest level of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking becomes reality...
(J) Or did I take it out of context?
A: Close. STS.

Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking...
A: STO does not wishfully think.

Q: (L) Well, how does STO think?

(T) Responsibly...

(L) [experiencing acute pinching feeling at nape of neck] God! You guys are doing strange things to my body...
A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly STS.

Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the sense of just allowing things to happen and responding in a balanced and helpful way is an STO response or experience in 4th density, is that correct?
A: Close.

Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving past such as what I saw by my window, and responding to them basically in an open, curious, and allowing way would have been an STO response, is that correct?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) It depends on how you respond curiously.

(T) The Lizzies are hanging out in 4th density too, and they are not STO, are they?
A: Correct.

Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful, responsible..
A: True.

Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking...?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you decide to go when you get there?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up to 6th density?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?
A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don’t move back.

Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there?
(L) No.

(J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don’t go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct?

(T) That’s what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that’s where you stay because you don’t have any desire to go back to STS?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don’t have a choice, it is just that you don’t want to go back to STS?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the Lizards are doing, then you continue to do that until you get tired of it or see different, or become enlightened and then move to STO and then that’s where you will want to stay?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can’t, but that’s because you choose not to?
A: Natural factors prohibit this.

Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors, the nature of that position is that you just simply don’t... it just doesn’t happen.
A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?
A: Yes.

Q: (F) Yeah, I’ve heard of that.

(T) Sure, people disappear that all the time.

(L) Well, I don’t think it happens that often, but I think it happens...

(F) It has happened.

(J) People disappear and you never hear what happened to them.

(F) There have been cases where people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit them and Poof!

(T) Like spontaneous combustion...

(F) No...

(J) Not spontaneous combustion because the body is left behind.

(F) There have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that person is Spffft! Gonzeroni! (L) Gonzeroni?

(F) Once and for all!

(T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile?

(L) Total lack of concern for self.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, you don’t do anything or think anything in terms of fulfilling or doing for self. You always think in terms of doing or fulfilling for others.

(T) Damn, I’ve got a long way to go then...

(Chorus) Don’t we all!

(J) Was Gandhi?
A: No.

Q: (T) Mother Theresa?
A: No. Political deceptions.

Q: (J) Mother Theresa is a political deception?

(L) Let me ask this question... it is on a little bit different subject right now, but I am kind of stretching my brain right now and I need a little bit of a relief there and then we will come back...
A: You are off balance this session due to a “bug” in your body. You have a bacterial overgrowth in your intestines.

Q: (L) Okay, I was talking to Jan earlier about real estate in Pasco and Pinellas counties and the differences and so forth, and I made the suggestion or statement that they might want to sell their house in St. Pete and move to Pasco County. What do you think of that?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is that all you think of it?
A: What else?

Q: (L) I just wanted to know if you thought it would be advisable?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Now, I want to ask about these Krill documents that Sally has told me about and is sending. Tell us what is the background and validity of the Krill papers. Terry knows more about them than I do. Supposedly it is some kind of exposition written by an alien being revealing the government conspiracy. Were the Krill papers valid?

(T) Krill was supposedly a prisoner of the United States.

(L) Was there really such a being as Krill?
A: Semi.

Q: (T) Is there any validity to the Krill papers?
A: Semi.

Q: (T) Was it dictated by this alien being?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Was it put together by a human?
A: Semi.

Q: (T) Is this in the same area of UFO lore as the Cooper and Lear and Lazar and Bennewitz stuff?
A: We have told you many times... Laura, pay attention... Listen!

Q: (L) Well, you say semi. Semi means half-way. Is it half true or half-way true?
A: Whoa! Calm down! Patience, my love!

Q: (T) Should we put about the same amount of validity whe have in the other UFO documents?
A: Stop now!!!!

Q: (L) Is this an area we can’t talk about now because it is too delicate?
A: No!!!!!

Q: (F) What the H is going on?
A: We are trying to tell you something important, and you keep asking questions. Now, please, silence for a moment!!!! We have told you many times to communicate with each other and network and share ideas, because that is how you LEARN and PROGRESS! But, you are beginning to rely on us for all your answers, and you do not LEARN that way!!!!!!! Now, try this, you will be thunderstruck with the results: Each of you has stored within you unlimited amounts of factual and “Earthshaking” information. This information was put into your consciousness in order for you to retrieve it in order for you to learn. Now just start by holding a discussion about the last series of questions you were trying to ask us, and “let it flow.”

Q: (T) I have a question for you Laura, does that feel weaker? [Tom is giving Reiki to Laura’s neck]

(L) Well, it’s not hot like it used to be, and I am just wondering, since you took the second attunements from Jim G... let’s just ask... Is Tom’s Reiki cancelled by Jim G’s. initiation?
A: Faltering.

Q: (L) But he had good Reiki to begin with and it will be okay for me right now?
A: Open.

At this point the group reviewed the comments that had been made regarding several persons prominently involved in UFO research who had also been involved or quoted in the Krill document. This gave us a starting point in evaluating the material. The reader may wish to recall said comments from earlier sections.


Don Ware was brought up because he was also mentioned, though he had not been involved in the Krill papers and the following exchange occurred:

Q: (L) Who is Don Ware. I asked about him because John gave me a list of names.

(T) Okay Don Ware used to be the Regional MUFON director over the East Coast, and he got run out because he was moving into the metaphysical side of the phenomenon and MUFON is a nuts and bolts operation. They don’t want to hear this kind of stuff at all.

(F) I know they don’t because they are looking strictly at it as...

(T) They are trying to get scientific credibility...

(F) Well, yes, and they want a UFO to land that you can go up to and take a hammer and go Plink, plink, plink! It’s Here!

(T) They want to know where the aliens are from, what they are up to, what kind of propulsion systems they use, how they build them, which... I have reached the opinion that MUFON is the continuation of Project Bluebook. When they closed Project Bluebook, they went out and subverted the UFO groups starting with NICAP and APRO and MUFON is one of the latest of the groups that changes from one type of group to another and all the information that is gathered in the field, goes to Texas and there it disappears and no one ever hears about it again. The Black Hole of Texas.

(L) So, in other words, if John Lear and William Cooper are getting the Cassiopaean Seal of Approval, and they are saying basically the same thing the Krill document is saying, where did they get their information?

(T) One of the thoughts on that was Moore or Lear or Bennewitz, one of these, was the one that had written the Krill papers. There was some talk that Krill may have been an acronymn used by the government to identify this being who gave the information which is the basis of this document.

(L) To your knowledge, would Lear or Cooper ever have been in a position, or did they ever at any time claim to have been in a position, to observe any of this activity written up in this document themselves?

(T) I don’t believe that either of them have ever claimed to have been in a position to have physically observed any of this or to have been in the underground bases. They were working with information they claimed to have gotten from other sources.

(L) And what do they claim their other sources are, unnamed?

(T) A lot of them are unnamed. Moore and Cooper claim they have inside government sources. I believe Cooper is the one who claims that he at one time worked for the military. In fact he was Air Force, I believe.

(L) Is he the one who claims that he was the intelligence analyst for the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet?

(T) Yes. There are several versions of the Cooper papers as he modifies and updates them. He didn’t change anything really, he just cleaned them up, re-edited them and added to them.

(L) Okay, if this is the case, it would seem to me that a person would have a much better chance of having something believed if they presented it as coming from a human source who either observed or saw it. Why would they say that this is an alien dictating this when that is so far and away more unbelievable? It seems to me that if they were making it up they would have far better chance if they said a human extracted this information rather than that it is what the alien said. That would almost tend, in a backward sort of way, to make you think that maybe this Krill dude, maybe it was true. But, the only thing about that is, if it was an alien, especially if it was an STS alien, how much of it was true? That’s the question.

(T) Well, Krill was supposed to be one of the standard Grays.

(L) Well, then, we can’t rely on anything he says. We can rely on the fact that it is possible that it was an alien who gave this information, but if it was one of the standard Grays, then we know who and what they are and we have to look at the information itself as being unreliable, not necessarily the human who revealed the scenario.

(F) Well, it is not necessarily unreliable even if it is an STS source.

(L) Yes, but as STS they would undoubtedly only give information that would tend to service their position.

(F) That would seem to be the case if you look at it from the obvious angle. But, that is not necessarily true. Just because it is an STS alien, and, in fact, a cybergenetic being, that does not mean that the information is necessarily inaccurate for several reasons. For those of us who have reached a certain level of understanding, our first assumption would be that it is inaccurate, so it could be a reverse psychology ploy. Give accurate information, get those who are at a higher level of understanding to think it’s inaccurate, when in actuality it is accurate.

(L) Well, do you know what it said? It says, basically, what we have been getting.

(F) Well, then it is accurate.

(T) If this is a standard cybergenetic Gray, the question is how much biological is he? Is he biological enough to pass a dissection?
(L) Sure, absolutely. There are reports of autopsies of these guys, they just can’t figure out how they feed.

(F) They are cybergenetic, but they look and function exactly like a biological being. If you go inside of them you will find blood and fibers and tissue and microscopic evidence...

(L) The microscopic exams, from what I have heard, reveal that they’re more in the line of a plant...

(T) Yes.

(F) Which, of course, would indicate that they have been grown! (L) Yes. Imagine chromosomal linking of human genetic information with that of the plant kingdom.

(T) You could literally grow hundreds of them easily.

(L) And plant them like seeds... and, apparently that is what they have done. People have come back who have been taken to these ships and have seen walls of containers growing these things. Like a room in a hot house.

(F) Well, there you go. We have gotten information which indicates that the Grays have access to both dimensions because they are probes of the Lizzies. And this gives us a further clue as to what a strange place 4th level is if such “probes” can be grown like plants! And, what level must fully souled 4d beings be when we are fooled into believing their cybergenetic constructions are the “real thing!”

(T) Does this mean that the abilities of the Lizzies, since they have to create “probes” to enter our density, would not be any more advanced than, say, your everyday spirit? Without the Grays, would they be able to interact with us at all?

(F) Yes.

(L) Yes, they are, they have, they will and they do.

(F) But, there are several problems. One is their appearance is very, very alarming...

(J) They would garner a lot of attention if they walked down the street.

(T) It depends on how they dress themselves.

(L) They can shape-shift.

(F) They can shape-shift, but only for a limited period of time.

(L) Because it takes 3rd density energy to do that.

(F) That brings up something, when we were talking to Susy on the phone the other night, Susy and Barry mentioned the Men In Black. The response said that the Men In Black were “Lizard beings.” In many reports of Men In Black, they have been described as very strange in numerous ways. Their voices have been described as sounding like they come from an echo chamber, and...

(T) Well, when we asked about the Men in Black in one of the sessions, what did the Cassiopaeans say? That they are “Projections.”

(J) Exactly, maybe that is a clue, maybe that is how they come into our reality: as projections from 4th into 3rd.

(F) But, there is one case that always sticks in my mind, and it took place relatively recently, on April 28, 1978, a guy in Maine who had been doing UFO research, was accosted by a single Man in Black. He said the guy was very strange in many ways. He had pink... his face looked like it was covered with make-up, and, in fact, when he touched himself at one point and his face started to smear as if it was completely covered. And then, he suddenly got up and said: “Have to go now... run-n-n-ing out of e- ner-gy.” Then he walked out of the house and staggered down the drive. They guy said that at that point he became somewhat disoriented as he watched the Man in Black start to stagger....

(L) He was not the Energizer Bunny! [laughter]

(F) And then the man saw a light that he at first thought was the headlight of a car, but the Man in Black walked into the light and was gone.

(J) Projections! That’s how they move from 4th to 3rd.

(L) They said they project as a “triage.” Remember. It was something like travel in space/time.

(T) Well, we have gotten off the discussion of Krill, but we have certainly been led into some pretty amazing conclusions about 4th level.

(F) Maybe Krill is just Kaput, at this point.

(L) Who cares about Krill? We just use them and throw them away! [laughter]

(T) That’s what I was getting at... should we treat our standard UFO stuff... I mean, we are beyond that now...

(J) Yes, we are...

(T) with what we are working with here...

(F) All of what we have worked with over the years, the ideas of it being nuts and bolts, which I originally thought too, and it’s clear if one has been following the whole phenomenon closely, it has evolved, actually, from a nuts-and-bolts perspective, and I am not knocking nuts-and-bolts, but those who are really looking with an open mind are seeing that this is far more.

(L) Alright, here it is guys... [had been looking for references to Men In Black] ... Who or what are the Men in Black? Lizard Projections.

(T) We got on to that because we were asking about the projection of the guy in the Camaro that showed up in my driveway.

(L) Okay. Does this mean that the Lizards are just projecting an image of a being? And, the answer was “yes.” At that point Terry asked: “The MIBs are not real in our physical terms?” And the answer: “Partly correct. You do not understand technology but we will describe it if you like. First we must explain further “time travel” because the two concepts are closely related. The first step is to artificially induce an electro-magnetic field. This opens the door between dimensions of reality. Next, thoughts must be channeled by participant in order to access reality bonding channel. They must then focus the energy to the proper dimensional bridge, the electrons must be arranged in correct frequency wave, and then the triage must be sent through realm curtain in order to balance perceptions at all density levels. Triage is as follows: 1. Matter; 2. Energy; 3. Perception of reality.” In other words they send through...

(J) Holographic images.

(T) They transmit energy that takes matter here and creates what we perceive, and what we perceive depends on...

(L) No, no, no... I know what it is... the triage must be sent through... the triage is that the matter becomes energy which then becomes perception and when it hits the other side of the curtain, the perception reconverts to energy which then coagulates as matter... it is like doing a back-flip through the realm curtain.

(T) And what the individual sees depends upon what they expect to see, which the Lizzies have to tap into first before they do the triage... that is the “reality bonding channel.” If you are open to see Men in Black, even if you don’t know what they are, then at some level of consciousness...

(F) But I think this is not just limited to Men In Black.

(L) Listen to this! “Several times I have heard references to big rectangular boxes, I would like to know who these belong to?” And the answer was: “Lizard projections...” What are they doing, projecting their whole damn reality into our world?

(F) Well, apparently part of the whole process of going from 4th to 3rd is the “projection” process itself.

(T) Yes, you have to move backward somehow.

(F) This also, of course, explains much of what we have read and heard about in terms of higher phenomena. You cannot ground it at all. So many people have fallen off the track by expecting to capture metallic craft and dissect them, and, while that does happen...

(J) And the whole concept of what’s wrong with science now is that they can’t hold it or measure it, or see it physically because it doesn’t exist!

(F) That is where material science falls apart. It is stuck in a vicious cycle.

(J) Yes, and it is using it’s own rules to make itself obsolete!

(F) Right!

(T) So, the bottom line is, we have simply gone beyond the Krill stuff, the Cooper and Lear stuff, and so on.

(F) Which is one of the reasons why the Cassiopaeans keep telling us to stop asking these stupid questions.

(T) We don’t need to go into all that.

(F) Yes, that’s UFO’s 101.

(J) Yeah, right, we’ve moved beyond all that. My God! Listen guys, let me tell you something I just noticed. When I was at work about three or four weeks ago, I had a desk drawer that wouldn’t work, and I was yanking and yanking on it to get it to open. I finally yanked on it and this clipboard fell out. I decided to take it home and use it. Look what it says on the clipboard! Service!

(T) There’s another thing that is even more interesting and that is that we are not alone in this density, there are other beings on other planets also. And, it just may be that some of them are coming here just to throw some more stuff in the soup to keep us confused as to which or who is what.

(F) I have a feeling, though, that probably, everything that we have experienced in the UFO area over the many years is a passage from higher levels of density to this one. I don’t think that we have ever experienced a 3rd to 3rd transfer. That is just my feeling. And, it is only just now that people are beginning to realize that. In other words...

(T) Well, that is what Vallee thinks, along those lines, so he is just looking at interdimensional, because...

(F) But Vallee is also a material scientist so he is examining it in a scientific way. He is a little more open-minded than some who would just say it is impossible because we haven’t discovered it yet...

(J) Yeah, our name isn’t on it so it doesn’t exist...

(F) But, he is doing it in a very careful way.

(L) Well, have we done enough with Krill?

(T) Yeah, I think we have done more than enough with Krill.

(L) Krill is irrelevant. I think we need to be more careful about our questions.

(J) I would like to ask if this is a mode of learning the Cassiopaeans would like to see us pursue on a regular basis?

(L) Okay. Consider it asked..
A: Would be a good idea.

Q: (L) I do have a question that I don’t know if we could discuss it and work it out because it is a real outside one. I would like to know if the soul’s electromagnetic pattern can be forcibly altered, from the outside, by another being, force, or source of energy?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is a person’s soul pattern determined by the cumulative experiences of that individual?
A: Part of the equation.

Q: (L) Does a person carry within their soul pattern memories of every single incident, event or happening that has ever occurred to them throughout all realms of their experience?
A: Memories are imprint of “Past, Present and Future.”

Q: (L) So, if the imprint is there...
(J) “We are you in the future!” (L) Right, so if the imprint is there, and no outside force including Lizzies or Orions can...
A: You can remember us.

Q: (L) The point I am trying to get at here is that, at some level, anything that happens to us can be accessed, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it is incorrect to say that any other being can come and erase some part of our experience and replace it with their own creation in any way, shape, form or fashion?
A: Nonsense!

Q: (J) Ask if I should give “Childhood’s End” to Laura to read. I think there is some very important information in there.
A: Up to you.

Q: (J) Never mind! (L) Of course you should lend it to me. You know I read everything in sight!
A: Jan, are you going to ask us what socks to wear tomorrow?

Q: (L) Do you wear socks, Jan?
(J) No.

(T) What socks should she wear tomorrow?
(L) Terry!
A: Red with white stripes.

Q: (J) I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have gotten off line.

(L) Now, here’s a couple of things I would like to ask about and I am not asking about because I want... because we have already discussed this at some length. Some time ago I asked about the “Wise Baby” dream, that is about the baby that was ten days old and quoting Shakespeare, and I thought this was unusual and asked about it. You said I should discover. Well, Mother had a similar dream the other day. She did not know about my dream, but we both dreamed about talking babies. This is mentioned in the Budd Hopkins book. The significant things about these dreams is the talking baby. The passage in the Budd Hopkin’s book describes the woman who underwent hypnotic regression to investigate her “Wise Baby” dream and discovered that the dream was not the reality. In my and my mother’s dream there were individuals present who pronounced the baby to be evil and who advised us not to interact with it. The day following the dream we both felt very uncomfortable, ill-at-ease, and slightly depressed. In the book, the woman who had the dream said it was a “feel good” dream and she liked it. But then she found out it was not such a good dream. My question about this is, at a very deep level, what does this baby represent?
A: Nothing.

Q: (L) Is the baby a cover memory or a screen memory of another event?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) We hashed it around and Jan pointed out that in both dreams there was somebody in the dream who told us not to listen to the baby. Who does this person telling us not to listen to this baby represent? Is this information from you guys in our dreams telling us not to listen to this baby? Is this baby, in fact, a screen memory of an interaction with an alien of some sort? i.e. Grays or Lizzies?
A: Differs.

Q: (L) What differs?

(T) It wasn’t an interaction with the Grays or the Lizzies.

(L) Okay, can you tell me...
A: Each is individual.

Q: (L) So this means that my dream is different from my mother’s dream and both are different from the dream of the woman in the book?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I guess that if I want to know more about the dream I can do a meditation or hypnosis.
A: Bingo!

Q: (L) Terry and I were discussing the migration of objects underground. As you know, we dug where you told us to dig and we did find a space underground where something obviously had been. We then found that the ground was soft.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And it was as though somebody had dug very deep but moving in a strange direction. Well, Terry, interestingly, had read a work on the tendency of objects to move underground stimulated by the drainage of water through the earth. It almost seems that the pattern of this soft sand is toward an area where there is water. Could it be possible that something could migrate through the sand this way?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And would it migrate toward an area where water flows through the ground?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And could it migrate that distance in, say, 50 or 60 years?
A: Sure!

Q: (L) And, in order to migrate that distance in that period of time, what would the approximate weight of an object have to be?
A: Open.

Q: (T) It doesn’t matter. The weight of the object is irrelevant to the movement. The thought crosses my mind, what if it was dug deliberately as a tunnel?
A: Yes. Are you onto something? Hmmm?

Q: (L) So, my husband’s idea to expand the cellar, to brace the corners with blocks as he digs, in order to prevent cave-in...

(F) Did you find a place when you dug that looked like a place where somebody had put something?

(L) There was a hollow space under the cement floor. Under this was the soft sand area which continues to extend downward and outward surrounded by hard packed sand.

(F) Well, obviously something was there.

(L) Was this something that has been moved already?
A: Discover, it is fun.

Q: (L) Well my thoughts are, also, interestingly, because out of this whole project has come the idea of expanding the cellar which will then make a space that you can go into and stand instead of just a root cellar. Do you guys have plans for this room we are building?
A: Who knows?

Q: (L) It occurred to me as I was thinking about it: remember when we were talking about Noah and the ark and how we were told that the symbolism was that Noah just built an ark because it seemed like a good idea at the time and later it came in handy.

(T) And you are digging this out because it seems like a good idea but you don’t know why yet. Maybe there is some other reason and maybe you will find something in the digging, too. But, you are also going to end up with an expanded basement and there may be another reason for it. But, you don’t know that yet and they are not going to tell you!

(J) You’ll find out when the time is right.

(T) You are already started in that direction.

(L) Yeah. He said since he has already done all this digging he might as well finish the job.

(T) It may not be for a flood or an earthquake or whatever, it just may be useful for something else. Maybe you’re just supposed to get that finished so we can move our sessions downstairs!
A: You are learning, Bravo!

Q: (T) Well, we are back on the right track. So, you have to continue digging!
(L) Gee, thanks! (T) Well, that is where the fun is! It’s a treasure hunt!
A: And you might just find something verrrry interesting!!!

Q: (L) Jan and I are very curious about artistic expression at 4th density. We experience art and music in a very positive and moving way, most of us, in this realm, and sometimes music can be very sublime and very transforming. It can move one in a lot of very unusual ways. What is it like in 4th density?
A: In 4th, you can “see” sounds and “hear” colors, for example.

Q: (L) Is this, now you guys just calm down when I ask this question...

(F) I know what you are going to ask...

(L) No remarks, okay? Many years ago when I was a child of the 60’s and 70’s, I tried some LSD.

(T) I know exactly what you are going to ask, yeah, because I’ve seen it too!

(J) Yes.

(L) In a major way! Geometric patterns and colors manifested with music.

(T) Yes!

(L) Is this what we are talking about here?
A: Bingo!

Q: (L) So, in other words...
A: The answer to your next question is yes, you experienced a bleed-through of 4th density.

Q: (F) In other words an acid trip is like a glimpse into 4th density.

(L) Do you recommend this method for accessing this type of reality.
A: Open.

Q: (T) Well, the problem is that some people would want to do that all the time and not work on doing it in a natural way.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And other people would use it and abuse it and use it as an excuse.

(J) And damage themselves.

(L) Yes, it is obviously something that has to be very carefully handled. We can’t encourage this.

(J) Is that like the concept of adding additional dimensions to the 3 we normally experience?
A: Yes. 4th level density implies and additional dimension of experience,
doesn’t it?

Q: (T) The first dimension is a single point, the second is the movement of the point into a line, the third is the movement of the line into a plane and the addition of time gives solidity. What is the fourth?
A: Discover!

Q: (T) Is time frequency also as we perceive time?
A: Not as you perceive it.

Q: (T) We perceive it linearly, but is it a frequency that our sense organs do not interpret correctly?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) They have told us before that time is an illusion or a deception imposed at the time of the “fall.”

(J) I’ve seen, we have all seen, the light spectrum. What we are able to perceive with our eyes is only a limited section. Is reality like that? What we are able to perceive is only a small section of the spectrum of vibrations?
A: Close.

Q: (T) When we move into 4th density will we be able to perceive more of this electromagnetic band?
A: Much.

Q: (J) So, it expands our awareness?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) A few years ago I was meditating and I did what I call “zoning.” It is an indescribable state. I kind of bobbed back to the surface for a moment because I experienced a buzzing in my head that sounded like an electrical transformer. Words came into my head that were like: “The presence is approaching,” and I thought immediately of Shekina, or the “forerunner” of the “presence of God.” I was a little agitated because I was not positioned in the way I would have liked to be to receive any experience or visitation. I adjusted myself in a more “prim and proper” position and remember nothing more until I just sort of came to with the intense urge to relieve my bladder. I don’t know how much time passed, but it must have been a considerable period to have the physical urge that strong. The bed was adjacent to a wall between the bedroom and the bathroom with just a walk space. I had to be careful not to bump my head on the wall when I was getting up. I got out of the bed and was quite startled to discover that my head and shoulders passed right through the wall. As soon as I noticed that, I started to pay attention to what else I was experiencing. I noticed that all physical objects appeared as transparent slides of color and light. The walls of the house did not exist, I could see the children in their beds in other rooms in the house, their bodies were light. I could see through the house to the outside and it was not darkness as we perceive it. I was aware that it was night, but trees, plants and other objects were apparent by their appearance as color and light. I had a brief thought of something distant and it was as though my vision was telescopic and zoomed onto it instantaneously. I was also aware that my vision was 360, that is, I could see in all directions at once. All of this happened very quickly, or so it seemed, and I realized that I was not in the body. That thought startled me and the instant I was startled, that is, felt an inkling of fear, I snapped back in like a rubber band. I discovered myself exactly as I had been prior to hearing the buzzing, not having made the adjustments in my position. I think what we are talking about when we talk about 4th density, is this kind of perception.

(F) Well, you remember in Whitley Strieber’s book, he talks about floating out of his body and he became aware of all kinds of things including the fields around power lines and it is quite a description.

(L) Well, it was a very strange experience, to say the least.

(T) When you started to explain about the trance state, you said: “What I call zoned out, I can’t explain it.” That’s the same thing the Cassiopaeans say when we ask them to explain what 4th density is like!

(J) Yes, we have no physical frame of reference.

(L) Yes, I can’t say I wasn’t unaware, because I was intensely aware of everything. And yet, I can’t say I was focused on any one thing, because I’m not.

(F) The last session we had we received some clues as to why it is they can’t explain all these things. They said something when we were talking about plants and rocks at 1st density. Try to think of something in animal language to express what it is like to perceive the universe as a human. The thing that occurs to me is that, even though we share the same space with dogs, cats, etc., their perception of the universe is so radically different that for all intents and purposes, they might as well be on another planet.

(T) Science tells us that a dog’s eyes only see in black and white.

(F) It isn’t just what they physically can see and how they see it, but how they perceive and understand it and how they think. It is so radically different from a human being... and some people get all attached and all emotional and think that animals are almost human and the dog isn’t even thinking “Oh, I’m a dog, I think I’ll just take a nap.” There is no anything that we can understand. So, if you think about the steps up density-wise, if they are merely equal, imagine the jump from 3rd to 4th! In 4th, they may understand us entirely, but their view is radically different.

(L) Let’s say goodnight.

End of Session


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January 21, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, S, D, Chuck

Q: (L) Who do we have with us?
A: Torrillahk.

Q: (L) And where are you from, Torillahk?
A: Cassiopaea. [(L) Let’s get the ridge out of the board.]

Q: (L) Do you have any messages?
A: Thank you. [Apparently for getting the ridge out of the board.]

Q: (L) You are welcome. Do you have any messages for any of us tonight, or should we just start in on our questions?
A: Any rituals performed tonight?

Q: (L) Did anyone do any rituals? Why do you ask?
A: Feel some restrictions

Q: (D) I bathed in bath salt.
(L) That wouldn’t do anything. Sue has some questions about some of her healing things.
(S) If I put my finger on a certain muscle in an inter- oral area, would you be able to tell me if it is the correct position?
A: Okay.

Q: (S) Okay, is this the terragoid?
A: Okay.

Q: (S) Okay, I guess it’s the terragoid. That was where I had my finger. I just needed to know that.
(S) Which school of thought, Upliger or Nix (?).....
A: Your work is less dependent upon physical factors than you think.

Q: (T) Is it that she should use more intuition in this?
A: Aural frequency.

Q: (L) In other words, feel it.

(S) Don’t I still need the basic knowledge?
A: Sense, knowledge is held within, simply unlock more and more as needed.

Q: (S) Sometimes it’s hard to...

(L) Go ahead, ask your questions.

(S) Does realigning the sphenoid (?) bone actually do something with the pituitary gland?
A: All these procedures are factored by your own natural healing abilities, this is of the light, and comes from within when you follow your natural instincts and trust!

Q: (T) Yes, it does, it does what they just said!

(S) Would myofacial unwinding help me unblock some of my own fears, hesitancies...
A: Just trust your extraordinary abilities!

Q: (T) What they are trying to tell you is to go with what you think is right because it will be right, because it is coming from within you, and it’s not so much whether you’ve touched here, or touched there, it’s that wherever you’ve touched is the intent. It’s what they say, intent is what it is.
(S) But the way the law of this country and state goes, you also have to have that piece of paper that says yes, you can do this.
A: Bravo, Terry!

Q: (T) Thank you, thank you!

(L) Well, go ahead and get the licensing and do what feels right. You’re doing the right stuff. Everything you’re doing, you’re doing by instinct, you know, continue the classes.

(S) It’s like, I know about three or four ways for carpal-tunnel syndrome, they’re all totally different...

(L) Try them all, one might work differently for a different person, they can all be right, you know.
A: It is not the physical methodology that matters.

Q: (J) It’s like you’re tapped in, just go with the flow.
A: Humor the authorities, they know not any better.

Q: (S) Why am I so reluctant to use some things, is it because I’m going to too many classes, too many different schools of thought, that I’m getting confused?
A: Lose the fear and just do it! Welcome, Chuck, you were a “wild one” in youth, eh? Lady Killer. Mirth.

Q: [Laughter.] (L) We’re going to go on with our questions and see how many we can cram into this session.

(D) Monday is the 23rd, my house is supposed to sell. My Realtor is sweating blood.
A: Did we not tell you?

Q: (D) Yeah, you did.

(L) The van I looked at today, is there anything significantly wrong with it that doesn’t show up, or that I have missed, that we have missed, is it as good a deal as it seems to be?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, that’s all I wanted to know. Back in the 1970’s in the Central United States there were quite a number of cases of animal mutilation. There has been a lot of publicity about this at some point and then it died down and was covered up, and there were a lot of ideas and theories about it. What I would like to know is who was doing the animal mutilations?
A: Many.

Q: Okay, who was doing most of the animal mutilations?
A: Not applicable.

Q: Okay. Was some of the animal mutilation done by the U.S Government, or entities within the government?
A: Was?

Q: (L) In other words, it is still going on. So Okay, so they are still doing it. Was, or is, some of this activity being conducted by alien individuals?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Were they acting for the same reasons?
A: No.

Q: Why did the government do animal mutilations?
A: Copy, in order to throw off investigation.

Q: (L) So they copied this activity to throw off investigations. Did they do this as an act to protect the aliens who were doing animal mutilations for their own purposes?
A: No.

Q: (L) Were they doing it to protect themselves from the public knowing that they were engaged in alien interactions?
A: They do it to protect the public from knowing that which would explode society if discovered.

Q: (L) What is this item that they were protecting so that society or the public wouldn’t know about it. What activity is this?
A: Humans eat cattle, aliens eat you.

Q: (T) They’ve said that before.

(L) Okay, yeah, we eat second level, they eat third. Did aliens do some of the cattle mutilations?
A: Yes.

Q: What do aliens do to cattle?
A: Blood.

Q: (L) They take the blood out of them?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) They drink it? What do they use this blood for?
A: Nourishment.

Q: (L) Okay, but you just said that aliens eat humans, and humans eat cattle. Why were the aliens being nourished by cattle, if that’s not their normal bill of fare?

(J) Delicacy.

(T) A cow’s blood is a lot like human blood.
A: Do you not ever consume facsimile?

Q: (T) Hamburger helper? Shake and Bake,

(J) And I helped! [Laughter] Sorry!
A: Facsimile is less controversial, obviously!

Q: (L) So in other words, they were eating cattle just to keep from having to eat so many humans, that would have just upset people a lot, is that it? Oh god.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, since they’re eating cattle instead of humans, does that mean they’ll stop eating humans?

(L) Terry, you know better than that!

(T) Well, it’s the next logical question.
A: Some of their human “food” is merely emotions, think of flesh as being the equal of “filet mignon.”

Q: (T) Some of their food is merely emotions. Okay, when we’re talking about these aliens, are we talking about the Grays?
A: No.

Q: (T) We’re talking about the Lizards.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, what do the Grays feed on?
A: Plasma.

Q: (T) Okay, the Grays feed on plasma, blood plasmas of some kind, is this what you are saying?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, so that’s why they want the blood; so, do the Grays feed on emotions?
A: No.

Q: (T) Okay,
A: They send them to Lizards.

Q: (T) The Grays send emotions to the Lizards? They’re transmitters?
A: Transfer energy through technology.

Q: (L) Let me ask this...

(T) Are the cattle giving off enough emotion for the Grays to feed this to the Lizards also?
A: No. That is physical only, you see, Lizards and Grays only need physical nourishment while “visiting” 3rd level, not when in natural realm, 4th density, there they feed on emotions only.

Q: (T) Grays are not strictly third density? Because they’ve been created by the Lizzies?
A: Yes. Correct, they too are 4th level.

Q: (L) Okay, let me ask, while we’re on this subject, real quickly, we need to move on to cover these questions. Actually, it becomes moot, since we know their technological capabilities. What technology do they use to surgically excise certain areas of the cattle’s anatomy, is this done by laser...
A: Laser-like

Q: (L) Okay, since it has been noted that quite frequently the cattle mutilations consist of taking very specific parts of the body, such as the eyeballs, the genitalia; they core out the anal sphincter right up to the colon; what would be the purpose for these specific body parts? I mean, do they core out the rectum and put a pump on there and suck all the blood out, I mean...

(T) That’s what the tail’s for! It’s a pump!

(L) Why? Why do they do this?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Close? I’m close?
A: Yes. Not the tail part, ha ha!

Q: (L) Okay, I think we kind of have an answer to this one, but there have been very frequently associated with the phenomenon of cattle mutilations, sightings of black, unmarked helicopters, who or what are these helicopters?
A: Variable.

Q: (L) Are some of these helicopters disguised alien craft? Are some of these helicopters the property of the U.S. Government?
A: Yes to both.

Q: (T) Are some of these helicopters private enterprise?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Oh, boy Terry, you had to do that! A whole new can of worms!
A: All are interconnected

Q: (L) Okay, I want to ask this one, because this is one I haven’t hit lately. Wendelle Steven’s, who was associated with Billy Meier, and also Genesis 2 or 3, put out the Billy Meier book on the Billy Meier sightings....
A: Some too, are projections, this phenomenon is multifaceted.

Q: (L) I expect that goes back to the black helicopters. I want to know about Wendelle Stevens, associate of Billy Meier...
A: Why? This is wasted energy.

Q: (L) Well, I just want to know how reliable he is. In a word, is this person somebody who can be relied upon for factual information, yes or no?
A: No.

Q: (L) Okay, that’s good enough. Who are the oriental- appearing personnel that have been seen manning the helicopters and the white vans that have been sighted all over the country?

Q: (T) Talk about opening up another can of worms! (L) I’m not even going to touch that one!
A: And government copycats.

Q: (L) Okay, now, I have a list of names, and I want a yes or no as to whether these individuals were, because I believe most of them are deceased right now, this is just a little verification on some other things for the general public, were these individuals involved in the cover-up of the UFO activity and phenomenon in the U.S.?: Roscoe Hillencotter (Yes) Dr Vannebar Bush (Yes) Secretary James Forrestal (yes) General Nathan Twining (Yes) General Hoyt F. Vandenberg (Yes) Dr. Detlev Rock (?) (Yes) Jerome Hudson (Yes) Mr. Sydney Sauers (Yes) Donald Menzel (Yes) Robert Montague (Yes) Dr. Lloyd B. Berger (Yes)

Q: Who is in MJ12 now?
A: Will not reveal as you would be terminated if this information were to be let out, so forget it now!

Q: Does MJ12 still exist?
A: In different form.

Q: I would like to know who sent the MJ 12 documents to Jamie Shandera? Who sent those documents to him?
A: Bill Cooper.

Q: (T) Who sent them to Cooper?
A: He discovered them in records review.

Q: (L) He is the one who discovered the MJ 12 documents? Does he claim he sent them?

(T) Yes.

(L) How did you know that and I didn’t know that?

(T) I read the Cooper book, the early Cooper papers.
A: Cooper was unintended security leak, then “turncoat.”

Q: (T) Okay, so he found all this out when he was working for the government...
A: Yes.

Q: ...Which is how he got them out of the records?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Well Okay, while we are on the subject... I don’t want the names of those involved with MJ12, the question is, if you gave us the names, how many of those people would we know? Not personally, but how many would we know? How many would we have heard of?
A: One or two maybe.

Q: (T) Which is what I figured. Just like back in the 40’s you wouldn’t have known who these people were. Hillencotter and Forrestal, maybe, because they were WWII people, their names were in the paper. Unless you were into sciences, you wouldn’t know who these people were.

(L) How many alien craft, actual alien craft, are in the hands of the government or this consortium?
A: 36

Q: (L) And were these captured craft? Or gifted?
A: And recovered.

Q: (T) Ok, they were all three. Were any of them purchased?
A: Not correct concept, Grays are not financial.

Q: (T) I didn’t mean by money, I meant purchased as in some kind of a trade. A gift is something that is given without anything in return

(J) We give them something in return.

(T) Were the gift ones not what we would really consider gifts, but they were given to us in return for something else, some other kind of payment? Barter?
A: No. Because all sought return favors were already achieved.

Q: (L) So it was all just a farce.
(T) So they were payment as opposed to gifts.
A: Not correct concept

Q: (L) How about this: They weren’t payment, they weren’t gifts, they were distractions?
A: Closer.

Q: (T) Okay, we’ve got captured ships, recovered ships, something called gifted ships, that were not really gifted ships, and the concept that some of them were purchased, but they were not purchased in a sense that we would normally purchase things, bartered for something, and that the ships that were gifted were given to the government in order to keep them distracted from other things that the beings were doing. Is this something close along the lines of what we’re talking about?
A: Close

Q: (T) Okay, so there’s a lot of different categories of how these ships got into the hands of the federal government?
A: Yes. Multidimensional

Q: (L) Okay, give me a yes or no answer on this: Dr. Paul Bennewitz - reliable, yes or no?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is his statement, as it is recorded in the Krill papers, falsified?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is that statement true?
A: Partly.

Q: (L) Was he reliable previously? At the time he was doing that work?
A: Sort of.

Q: (L) Who is O. H. Krill
A: No one.

Q: (L) Is O. H. Krill a group?
A: Symbolism.

Q: (L) Symbolism of what? What does O. H. Krill translate out to?
A: For documentary purposes only, your government likes code names.

Q: (L) Are you implying that this piece of work was put out by the government for dissemination of the subject matter?

(J) Is it disinformation?
A: Complex.

Q: (L) Give us a percentage of factual information in this document.
A: 43%

Q: (L) Are you saying that 43% is factual?
A: Close enough.

Q: (L) Okay, so, in other words, this has been planted by the government. Was it put out with the intention of giving out some factual information...
A: No. Planted? No.

Q: (L) You are saying it was planted?

(T) It was leaked purposely?
A: Your government is operating on many cross-purposes, very complicated!

Q: (T) Even the simplest things are very complicated with them. Okay, question: The U.S. government...
A: On purpose!

Q: (T) Very true. Question: The government, our government, the U.S. government, is holding 36 craft of one kind or another that they gotten in one way or another. How many other governments have craft?
A: All is one.

Q: (L) We already have a one-world government is what they’re saying.

(T) Yes, they’re just waiting to make it official somehow. (L) Let me ask. What is...
A: Has been so for long time, as you measure time.

Q: (L) Let me ask this one before the tape runs out and we take a break. What is the “ultimate secret” being protected by the Consortium?

A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.


Q: Do you have anything else to say on that subject?
A: Up to you.

Q: (T) When you say this is the ultimate secret, that we’re being “protected” from by the government, are we talking about the ultimate secret of humans only here?
A: Basically.

Q: (T) The ultimate secret of the human race is that we are an experiment that other humans are conducting on the rest of us?
A: Part.

Q: (T) Okay, does the other part have to do with the Lizards?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Other aliens also?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, so, are the humans who are running the experiment, do they know that they are part of the experiment also?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And they’re doing this willingly?
A: They have no choice.

Q: (L) Why do they have no choice?
A: Already in progress.

Q: (T) What is the experiment about?
A: Too complicated for you to understand.

Q: (J) I hate it when that happens!

(T) Okay, is this part of, is this about the experiment the Lizzies are doing of dominating us and sucking us dry?
A: Yes, but there’s much more than that, you will understand at level 4.

Q: (T) Okay, I won’t pursue that much farther.

(L) Okay, in this Krill document there was a statement made that the Grays and other aliens use glandular substances extracted during physical exams of human beings, what they would call the gynecological and the sperm extraction exams, that they used these glandular substances to get high or to feed on, that they are addicted to these, is this a correct assessment?
A: No.

Q: (L) Do they use glandular substances at all?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What do they use glandular substances for?
A: Medicine.

Q: (L) And what or who do they use this medicine on?
A: Themselves.

Q: (L) And what does this medicine do for them?
A: Helps them cope with 3rd density.

Q: (T) Is this something that they use to help them stay in the 3d density?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Does it help them to manifest in a more solid physical manner?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, they draw glandular substances. Do they also use sexual energy given off by individuals to maintain their status in 3 dimensions?
A: No. That feeds them in 4d, as we told you before.

Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How “long”, and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the Lizards, the Grays, the cybergenetic probes?
A: No.

Q: (L) What do you mean, “No”?
A: Time travelers, therefore, “Time is ongoing.”

Q: (L) Okay, recently I read a couple of books Jan gave me, “Knight in Shining Armor” and “Replay”. Both of these books described time travel.
A: No, not finished with answer. Do you understand the gravity of last response?

Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads...

(T) They can set up the past to create a future they want.

(D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need...

(L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea...
A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?

Q: (L) That’s not good. If they were to move back through space time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?
A: Has over and over and over.

Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly?

(L) So, at each...
A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!!

Q: (L) We’re getting a little glimmer! Yeah, I do, a little!

(T) The ramifications of being able to move in and out of time and manipulate it the way you want

(Jan/Laura) And the ramifications of what they’re doing to us; what they are doing to us and what they will do to us, over and over.

(Freddy) What did it say about over and over?

(L) So, in other words, our only real prayer in this whole damn situation is to get out of this density level. That’s what they’re saying, that’s what it sounds like to me.
A: Close.

Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we’re just literally, as in that book, stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could happen over and over, and we could just, you know... Ghengis Khan, Atilla the Hun... over and over and over again.

(T) We’re stuck in a time loop; they’re putting us in a time loop.

(J) Are we in a time loop?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) I have a question about... there was a...
(PAUSE) Mankind has found it necessary for some reason or other to appoint time for some reason or other. The only reason I can see is to have a means of telling, like in verbal or written communications...
A: Control mechanism.

Q: (T) Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides moving to 4th density?

(D) That was part...
A: Nope.

Q: (D) When 4th density beings communicate it’s telepathic, right?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Okay, since time doesn’t exist, how do you communicate about happenings?
A: Rephrase, please; clarify.

Q: (L) What she means to ask is, if you’re communicating telepathically...

(D) On 4th density..

(L) And time doesn’t exist, how do you communicate about events as one happens now, as opposed to later and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens...

(J) How is it sequential?
A: Translate.

Q: (D) Translate? Okay, let me explain what I mean. I mean, we talk about 1907 something happened...
A: That is how it is done.

Q: (T) Translate is how it is done. You translate the experience?
A: From 4 to 3. And vice versa.

Q: (L) So, in other words, it’s almost like making movies.
(J) Are linear thought processes part of it? Is it being linear and non-linear?
A: Part of 3d illusion only.

Q: (L) So, in other words, if you’re a 4th density being, everything is more or less happening, excuse the term happening, everything is simultaneous, and if you wish to discuss or communicate or have any focus upon any particular aspect of this unified dimension, then what you do is you kind of extract it out, project it into 3d...
A: Close.

Q: (L) ... like a movie.
A: But you will not understand fully until you get there

Q: (T) Okay, so it’s a concept that we can’t completely grasp in 3d at this point.
A: Can a dog grasp algebra? You got it.

Q: (L) In other words, we’re in bad shape! And these guys are playing games with us, so to speak...
A: Subjective.

Q: (T) Subjective to whether we’re in bad shape or not.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) I was going to say that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re in bad shape...

(L) Well, the situation we find ourselves in, is the only way of getting out of this time loop, so to speak, to move into another density, or is there a loop in the other density as well?
A: No.

Q: (L) No loop in the other density?
A: Yogis can do it.

Q: (L) Yogis can do it...

(T) Transcend time.

(L) Okay, let me ask this before we really start to go...
A: How they control their own physicality.

Q: (L) Let me ask a few questions here before, I think we’re breaking up. First of all, there was the television special on the other night about...
A: What is “breaking up”?

Q: (L) I think it means that everybody’s getting tired and losing their focus. The question I want to ask is about this...
A: You are, but not all others

Q: (L) Well, let me get my question in here, and if you guys want to sit up all night, I’ll just keep my mouth shut.
A: Laura has “bug” in her system

Q: (L) Okay, I have a bug in my system. I want to know what this humming sound is that people are hearing all over this country? I mean people have been reporting hearing this intense humming sound that literally drives them crazy. There was a TV special on about this the other night. What is this humming and where is it coming from?
A: Increased EM waves in preparation for oncoming wave

Q: (L) What is the source of this sound, I mean, where specifically, location-wise, is it coming from?
A: Cosmic.

Q: (L) Okay, it’s cosmic, it’s not coming from the planet itself. Okay, what is the greatest weakness of the Lizzies or the Grays in 4d?

Q: (T) Yes, that is their greatest weakness; Service to Self.

(L) Is that in both densities?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is there a way... can we use that against them?
A: Not correct philosophy.

Q: (T) Very true, very true.

(L) I want to ask a question that Chuck brought up a little while ago, have we in our group...
A: Let Chuck ask himself.

Q: Has this group been infiltrated by anyone in controlled by the aliens?
A: No, not exactly.

Q: (L) Can we get clarification?
A: Have attempted to corrupt communication, but remember, we, too are “alien”.

Q: (D) There was one time when other aliens tried to interject, but they didn’t succeed.

(L) Yeah, that was in one of the other transcripts. I think what Chuck meant more specifically other than other alien communication or communicants was a particular 3 dimensional person, have we ever had such a person attend these sessions?
A: Not yet, but “stay tuned.”

Q: (L) Well, I’m done with my questions, we covered my stuff. You guys are on your own now.
A: Chuck ask.

Q: That was the only question I had, and they answered it.
A: Untrue.

Q: (L) Are you wondering something?

A: Ask. How truthful the source is? Up to you to decide

Q: (T) They only provide the information. They want us to make the decisions as to what we do with it, interpret it, what happens with it. I’m sure we all look at it slightly differently. We all have a different way of perceiving things, so we all perceive it differently.

(D) Is the information gathered from the collective consciousness? A collection of all lessons learned by all humans?
A: Yes, and other sources as well.

Q: (D) Does this include the Lizzies?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) That includes you, also?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Okay, can we tune into the collective consciousness?
A: Of course.

Q: (D) Okay, then, are there certain abilities needed to do this connection into the collective consciousness?
A: You all have all you need.

Q: (D) Well then, if this..

(T) By sitting here, we tap into them and they tap into us.

(D) If this collective consciousness is a collection, haven’t all lessons been learned by someone at some time?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Then can we tune into the collective consciousness to find how our same lessons have been solved before?
A: Yes. But what is “before?”

Q: (D) Before? No, I didn’t ask...

(J) Before, during, after, these are all time concepts.

(D) Oh, yeah.
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Well, my real question is if all the answers are there, and we can get there, why are we going through the lessons again? I mean, why do we have to go through these lessons if the solutions are already there?
A: Its all just lessons.

Q: (D) I know, that’s what made me ask... I just.. I can’t understand this.. we already have the answers, and we’re going through the lessons again...

(T) Not all of us have learned all the answers, that’s why we’re all going through the lessons again....

(D) But, you see, all the answers are there...
A: Who said “again” ?

Q: (J) Is it more like “still” ?

(D) But if all the answers are there...
A: You are still thinking at 3rd level.

Q: (D) Yeah, but I’m still trying to understand.. Sorry, guys
A: Don’t “try” so much, just go with it.

Q: (T) It’s like Master Yoda said in Star Wars, “Don’t try, do” .... Just do it.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) See, I knew Star Wars had a redeeming social value.
(J) So did Relationships. The how is to do it.

(D) But if the answers are there, and we can find the answers, to our lessons...

(T) We don’t have to find the answers, we have the answers. The answers are within all of us.

(D) It seems so redundant...

(T) Most of the lessons are to find the right answers...

(D)...to actually go through the doing of the lessons....
A: No. Not correct idea.

Q: (T) Where were we going with this?

(D) Oh, it was just a wonder of mine, it’s just like, if we have the answers, I didn’t understand why we do it.
(J) We’re not supposed to know.

(T) Well, if we have all the answers, they’re all in us, and we all know the correct solutions to the lessons, we should always be able to do it right, but we’re doing it wrong, that means we haven’t learned it right yet.
A: Retrieval.

Q: (L) I know what she’s hanging up on here - what’s the point?

(D) Yeah!

(L) That’s the whole question, what’s the point? And I guess the point is, is that it’s just...
A: Lessons.

Q: (L) In other words, just to have something to do (J) Hang on a second, I want to read something to you. Corinthians 13...

(D) I can’t handle this...

(J) just listen. This is from Corinthians 13, the one about love. “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then shall I know, even as I also am known.” And that’s what going from 3rd to 4th is going to be like.

(D) Is that part of the...

(T) Think so?
(Tea kettle starts to whistle.....)
A: Yes.

Q: (J) That’s it. We’re not supposed to know it all now. In moving from 3rd to 4th, is part of the knowledge process.

(T) We gain insight moving..
A: Yes.

Q: (T)...insight we don’t have yet, but we can start working with what we may not understand what it is we’re doing.
A: Close

Q: So when you said we’re thinking in 3rd...
A: Stop noise.

Q: (L) Somebody turn off the kettle...

(T) It’s bothering us too, we’re taking care of it.....
(....Tea kettle whistle is turned off) ....that’s one 3rd density thing we can do! So when you say that we’re thinking in 3rd density, you’re not always telling us we’re not thinking correctly, you’re just indicating that we’re thinking in 3rd density, because we can’t think in any other way.
A: Close.

Q: (T) So not all those shots were shots, they were just saying that it’s as far as we can get right now
A: We don’t shoot.

Q: (L) I have a question - do you guys have emotions...
A: Not 3rd level.

Q: (L) Okay, well, then let me ask it this way. What are your thoughts towards us, or your attitude or emotions, as you know them towards us? Individually or as a group?
A: Love.

Q: (D) Well, that’s what I needed to hear. [sigh]

(J) Be patient, we’re not finished yet.
A: Hoorah!

Q: (T) Well, there’s not any of us here alone. They’re us in the future.

(J) Diana, think of us like those puppies in there. Our eyes aren’t open yet, but they’ll open up.
A: Yes.
A: But there is no time so you are already are where you are, you see, we are you in the “future”.

Q: (D) I have a question. Transdimensional atomic remolecularization, is this teleportation?
A: Close.

Q: (D) Okay, so this is the way we will transfer from 3rd to 4th?
A: Technology for this purpose.

Q: (D) Well, is this the way they’re going to move the new bodies to the ancient earth?
A: No. That is a natural process.

Q: (T) They’re creating the bodies now with the genetic engineering.

(D) Yeah, I know, but...
A: TDARM is tech.

Q: (T) What was that? Was it a word?

(J) I have no idea. Please repeat the entire...
A: Abbreviation

Q: (L) Trans Dimensional Atomic ReMolecularization! Got it.

(T) It’s on the tip of everybody’s tongue these days!

(D) Down at the church they gave me a list of prayers and symbols to use in a ritual where I would say a prayer while I had my hand on a symbol and the purpose of this...
A: Rituals restrict

Q: (D) So, in other words, that did not connect my DNA chains. Right?
A: Nonsense!

Q: (D) Okay, well that’s what I thought, but I went ahead and did it because I didn’t want to pass up an opportunity!
A: Stop!

Q: (T) Stop rituals. They don’t approve of any rituals, it blocks the flow, it restricts.

(D) That’s fine, I won’t do it any more.

(L) Pure universal knowledge includes everything, and if you establish a ritual, that means you are adhering to one line of thought, one mode of thinking, one idea structure, and, excluding all others.

(D) Was that in the thing, did I miss that?

(T) In different words, it’s in there several times.

(L) You may not have gotten it, you only have part of the transcripts, you only have about 100 pages.

(D) I got up to file 3, page 41.

(L) You don’t have a whole lot of it. You’re probably missing parts of it.

(T) You really have to read through it many times.

(D) I don’t want to look like a pseudo- intellect...

(J) You’re trying to understand.
A: Nonsense!

Q: (T) Is it ok if we bring our friend Brad Merrill?
A: Up to you.

Q: (T) Would he be a good addition to the group?
A: Open.

Q: (T) What are his feelings towards what we’re doing?
A: Puzzled.

Q: (T) Puzzled about the purpose?
A: Does not conform to his belief system.

Q: (J) I could hear it in his voice when I was telling him, he wasn’t being openly receptive, but he wasn’t being combative about it, either. He was open...

(Freddy) Is he a MUFON person?

(T) Yes, He’s scientifically based. He’s following Hoagland’s stuff.

(Freddy) Well, I’ve got that tape, too, and I think there’s something to it...

(T) He talks with Hoagland, he’s in contact with Hoagland...

(D) Terry, do you want to ask about what the individuals in this group are going to do in the future?
A: Discover.

Q: (T) Is Jan’s mom’s estate going to be settled relatively quickly and easily?
A: Yes

Q: (T) Is it going to make everybody happy, the outcome?
A: Subjective. Open.

Q: (T) When we were talking about other people, let me throw another name out here, Robert Dean, do you know who he is?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is he telling the truth as he knows it?
A: Some.

Q: (T) Is there more to what he knows, he’s just not telling all of it?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is he as honest and up front as he seems to be?
A: Subjective.

Q: (T) Is he doing disinformation for the government?
A: No.

Q: (T) He’s really a good speaker. Is he doing disinformation for anyone?
A: No. Withholds.

Q: (T) He’s withholding information?
A: Some.

Q: (J) He’s withholding MJ12 information?

(T) Well, it could be anything. He’s made several sweeping statements and has lots of facts and figures and stuff that he was privy to when he was in the military in NATO, was all that information abou the “Assessment” and all that stuff all true?
A: Close.

Q: (T) Was he allowed to see it on purpose?
A: No.

Q: (T) So his story about that it was there in the security vault, and because he had access and because he was able to see it, and that he just was intrigued by it is true?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay. Is he going to tell the rest of what he knows?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Is he in danger because he is telling the truth?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Also, it’s smart to tell the truth as loudly as you can, and in front of as many people as you can. He’s an amazing speaker, and the things he has to say.... to me, his body language is that he’s telling the truth. I have a question about a friend, Nova Montgomery, is she open to this?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) We’ve told her some about this, does she.. how does she feel?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) How does she feel about what we’ve told her so far?
A: Skeptical.

Q: What is my son’s next duty station?
A: Open. Will he even stay in?

Q: There’s someone who owes me a great deal of money, will they pay within the next few months?
A: You must act upon this.

Q: (T) Will Chuck have to go as far as taking him to court?
A: Likely.

Q: (T) Does Chuck have a good lawyer? Humor! mirth! Don’t answer that! All the good ones are in California right now! Oh, OJ. I think even they are bored with OJ by now! (J) Are you bored with OJ by now?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) What major event is happening under the cover of the OJ trial right now?
A: None.

Q: (T) You mean we’re just getting stuck with all this snow, and there ain’t even anything happening?
A: Diversion by opportunity.

Q: (T) What a waste of a good diversion if there isn’t anything going on! Here’s this great diversion and they don’t even have anything to hide behind it! (D) Is Sara having some problems that she’s not coming to me about?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Is there anything that you can tell me about this?
A: Diana, communicate, as we told you.

Q: (D) What did I forget?

(T) What have you been doing on your own?

(J) Have you been ‘surfing’ the cosmos on your own? Surfing the board, so to speak?

(T) Well, it will come to you; they’ve told you something and it will come back.

(D) Would you mind clarifying that, I don’t know...

(T) What was it you told her?
A: Communicate, don’t preach.

Q: (D) Thanks for the help, yeah, you’re right. Is there anything else I can do to help Sarah?
A: Learn.

Q: (J) Do you have any messages for any of us tonight?
A: No.

Q: (T) Do you have anything you would like to communicate to the group?
A: Not this session.

Q: (T) You predicted a quake in Japan, near Osaka, several sessions back, you were off by the magnitude a little bit and by the miles a little bit, but basically you were correct. What between that prediction and the prediction for the Tokyo quak e can Japan expect?
A: Not correct interpretation. Osaka quake yet to be.

Q: (T) So this was not the quake that you predicted the 8.9, this was a 7.2, but it was miles distance from Osaka almost right on the money, but this was not the quake that you predicted?
(J) There’s going to be another one coming?
A: Yes 14 more this sequence sequence (?? 14 more this sequence ??)

Q: (T) 14 more quakes?
(J) I’m sorry, I’m losing it real bad tonight, I don’t know why.

(D) Are you breaking up?

(J) No, it’s me. Please repeat the answer.

(T) We’re having problems down here in 3rd density this evening!

Q: (T) This is one in a sequence of earthquakes that are going to culminate in the 8.9?
A: 9 pt 6

Q: (T) In Osaka, near Osaka?
A: Tokyo.

Q: Okay, that’s the one you talked about, then a 9.6, that’s going to be the culmination of the quakes in this. This is only the 3rd or 4th in a sequential series and the 8.9 that’s going to hit them hasn’t happened yet.
A: 7th.

Q: (T) This is the 7th earthquake?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) 7.2 was the 7th earthquake, there’s going to be 14 of them, is that what you said before?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) So there’s 7 more coming?

(T) So the 14th one will be the big one, in Tokyo?
A: 13th.

Q: (T) Okay, the 13th is going to be the 9.6 and I think the other prediction was 9.8, they’re close. That’ll be the 13th. What will be the 8.9, which one of those will be the Osaka 8.9?
A: Within next 4.

Q: (T) What will the 14th be?
A: Small.

Q: (T) So they’re going out anticlimactically on the last quake. Is Mt. Fujiyama going to explode, is the volcano going to become active again?
A: Maybe.

Q: (T) Will these quakes, is China, Korea, Philippines and the surrounding area also going to be affected as these quakes increase in strength?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are we talking about putting about 30% of the world’s industrial output out of business in the next year and a half or so?
A: No.

Q: (T) They’re not going to recover anytime soon, ok so when this all happens is there going to be an effect on California of all of this, on the West Coast of this country?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Not just California. Is Los Angeles going to be hit with any of these big earthquakes as the plate on the other side moves?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) What magnitude?
A: 8.9

Q: (T) Where will that happen?
A: San Gabriel Mountains.

Q: (T) Is that outside of Los Angeles? San Andreas Fault line?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Will this be very destructive to Los Angeles?
A: What do you think?

Q: (T) In the destruction of this area, is this going to increase the job potential on the East Coast, in order to then, this is really serious stuff here, because this is going to affect the economy the way it shifts...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So it...
A: Mass exodus from California.

Q: (T) Those dumb people out there looked at that Osaka stuff and said, “Oh, you know, that might happen to us. OHHH, boy, the brain finally fired up out there.

(J) They’ve been in denial about that out there...

(D) Will that bring an influx of people to Florida?
A: Yes. 15 quakes.

Q: (D) And then they’re going to move.

(T) 15 quakes in the California area?
A: In near future.

Q: (T) Are we talking strictly the West Coast here?
A: California.

Q: (T) Are there going to be earthquakes elsewhere in the United States?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) 15 in the near future in California alone...

(D) This is the beginning of the destruction of the state of California, there’ll be separation from the North American continent.

(T) Well, they said don’t take that literally, or it will fall off, it’s symbolic...
A: Open.

Q: (T) So look at it symbolically.

(D) Okay.

(J) Where are the other quakes going to be?
A: Hundreds.

Q: (T) Hundreds? Hundreds of earthquakes. Hundreds of places?
A: Yes.

Q: There’s going to be that many additional earthquakes? Beside the 15 in California?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) We’re going to be rocking and rolling on this continent! Of course, when you move a plate, that’s a lot of stuff. Are we going to be seeing a lot of water damage on the coast?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Is the West Coast of Florida going to see a rising water level?
A: That is vague.

Q: (T) Is there going to be earthquakes in Florida?
A: Seismically stable.

Q: (T) Will the seismic activity cause the water level in Florida to go up?
A: No.

Q: (T) So, for the time being, during the quakes, we’ll be fairly safe, but there’s other things to worry about beside that?
A: Storms.

Q: (D) are we talking hurricanes?
A: Cyclonic.

Q: (J) Will there be any damage from such storms in this area?
A: Open.

Q: Are these caused by nature?
(T) Is all this activity being.. is natural?
A: Close.

Q: (D) If I were to go down to Hiala Dean’s, is there anything I can do in the way of healing that would help him?
A: Open.

Q: Laura says goodnight. We’re closing up
A: Bye

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February 9, 1995

Freddie, Laura, S

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello. Very good.

Q: (L) What is very good?
A: All.

Q: (L) I have here Barbara’s latest book...
A: Ego driven.

Q: (L) This book is ego driven? So this is not so much true channeling as ego?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there any possibility that she has been corrupted and is channeling Lizzies?
A: No. Under pressure, constriction.

Q: (L) So, the pressure has constricted the flow. I think I would like to ask a few questions about Freddie and his tiredness. What can we do to help Freddie with his tiredness?
A: Nothing, it is process of progress.

Q: (L) I want to ask a little bit about this process of “unwinding” S__ has been facilitating with my body. Have you guys been watching?
A: Always. You have just accessed and outed globules of energy.

Q: (S) It’s an energy cyst.
(Laura) What is the original reason for the presence of the energy?
A: Anger from age 22 when you were in severe depression and had plans for suicide. The negative energy went to your arms. [was there some past life impetus for depression at this particular age?]

Q: (L) Is that what is wrong with my neck, also?
A: No. That is fibrous tumor.

Q: (S) Is my work going to help diminish it?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) S__ has been having unusual experiences in awareness as she reads the transcripts...
A: We are blasting open her awareness.

Q: (L) Well, she has been having quite a bit of success by following her inner guidance. She has also been accessing knowledge as she reads the transcripts, even well in advance of others, it seems. Is this correct?
A: Open.

Q: (Laura) I went to talk to the group in Orlando area and I am sure you guys had your secret eye camera while I was there. What I would like to know is what thoughts were in the mind of Jiles and how did he react to my talk?
A: This ego is sexually focused and he reacts mainly to what he has to say.

Q: (L) Okay, this H__ B__ was a rather interesting person, I perceived something very unusual about him but I can’t put my finger on it. Initially I thought he was a positive influence, or that he was one who had a great deal of knowledge, but later I thought I might be wrong in that assessment. And yet, there was something about him that I recognized. What was going through his mind?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Can you tell me anything about this person, or does it matter?
A: No, it doesn’t matter.

Q: (L) Did I present the material in the way it should be presented?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) Is it true that when you die you go to the “Bardo?”
A: What is that?

Q: (L) Anything we need to to know at this time?
A: Not tonight. Ask on the eleventh.

Q: (L) Well, goodnight.

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