January 2, 1995

Freddie and Laura

Q: Hello.
A: Hello.

Q: (L) Who is with us?
A: Rivia.

Q: (L) And, where are you from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) Have you been listening to Freddie talk about his woes and miseries?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What do you have in response to his woes and miseries, since he is the primary channel, it seems to me that it ought to behoove you to give him some kind of a word on this matter...
A: Open.

Q: (L) What do you mean it is open? Is he going to...
A: Is under attack, as previously described.

Q: (L) Well, would it not behoove him to not respond negatively in thought word or deed and to take care of business as best he can and trust that it will all work out? Because, by becoming all discombobulated, he is giving off negative energy...
A: His methods accomplish the task.

Q: (L) So, in other words, it is alright for him to get all emotionally wrought up and to spout off all these violently...
A: That repels attacking forces because they thrive upon blase passivity.

Q: (L) Well, we are not talking about passivity here. Are you sure you are a Cassiopaean? It sounds to me like you are saying he ought to be giving off... I think we are pulling in Lizzies because of your negativity...
A: Incorrect, you have your “way” of repelling attack, and Fred has his.

Q: (L) Well I just don’t see how a whole bunch of negative energy in thought and word can repel beings who thrive on negative energy. I mean, they should be just rolling in joy that they are making him so miserable that he has to carry on that way which then makes me miserable.
A: Not miserable when repelling.

Q: (L) Well, then, the problem here is that when he does this, everybody else he does it around, it makes them miserable, so, what’s the deal here?
A: Subjective, your methods can cause perception of upset too.

Q: (L) Yes, I know this, but I am working on being totally unmoved by attack, isn’t that the whole point here?
A: If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Q: (L) So, I should continue, when I get upset or attacked, to just rave and rant and yell and scream and carry on?
A: You don’t, you attack back, externally. Freddie attacks back internally. The external manifestation is merely overflow and harmless if recognized correctly.

Q: (L) My understanding is that service to others involves complete lack of concern for self. Therefore, the objective is to have complete lack of concern for self, therefore one would be in such a state of lack of concern for self that when one feels oneself to be under attack, so to speak, or being baited or jabbed, one would simply utterly and entirely disregard this and continue on in a peaceful way. Now, am I misapprehending this in some way?
A: Not misapprehending, misinterpreting.

Q: (L) So, I misinterpret Freddie’s lack of regard for my feelings because he spouts off and upsets me... that’s really a service to others activity and it is only my subjectivity that makes me get upset, therefore, I should eliminate my subjectivity as a service to him so that he can continue to spew off and therefore not upset me, is that what we are getting at here?
A: Off base.

Q: (L) Well, that is what you are saying.
A: That’s what you want to believe we are saying, but we are not we are saying all should strive to be objective.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t think it is being objective for every little sling and arrow of misfortune to throw somebody into a tailspin. I think part of the whole process is to learn how to go smoothely through all this stuff. And, what you are saying here is don’t worry about going through stuff, just dump...
A: You are all learning, including Fred.

Q: (L) Well, let’s just drop it. It doesn’t make any sense.
A: Your perception, there is much to this whole process that is manifest on other levels, levels other than 3rd..

Q: (L) Well, I just don’t think you really understand what is going on. I think that it’s...
A: Yes we do. You do not. Open your mind.

Q: (L) Well the only thing I can change about this whole thing is to just stop listening when Fred moans and groans about things that I know everybody else has gone through without moaning and groaning, cause it is entirely, extremely irritating to me to have to listen to it when everybody else has been through it and kept a stiff upper lip.
A: If Fred tried to keep a “stiff upper lip” it would destroy him because of his make-up, which does not correspond to that of most others; try to recognize differences.

Q: (L) Well, I recognize the differences, but I am only human too.
A: If you were asked to be passive toward aggressors, how would you feel about that?

Q: (L) Well, I thought that was what I was supposed to be practicing and, in fact, have been. I thought that this whole thing was about doing and practicing things to make us different than we had been programmed to be.
A: When it is wholly within your “comfort zone” not before, remember, in “Bringers of the Dawn” it says to do that which is effortless.

Q: (L) Okay, it says to do what is effortless. It takes a lot of effort to put up with Freddie when he is like that so he will have to swear and vow that he will never complain to me again. Agreed. It takes too much effort for me to deal with it.
A: Would cause karmic backsliding.

Q: (L) Now, just a minute here. You just said to do what is effortless. I said it takes a lot of effort for me to put up with that kind of stuff, and now you are saying that this will cause me karmic backsliding?
A: No we said “do” that which is effortless, “acceptance” is another matter entirely.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

(F) I think that what it means is that if you are doing something that is one thing, accepting is another thing. If I have some sort of foible that you don’t like, that is not doing. Whether you accept it or not has nothing to do with doing. I accept you, foibles and all, but you are saying that you simply refuse to...

(Laura) But I don’t attack you, either.

(F) I don’t attack you.

(L) But, it amounts to the same thing to me. To have to listen to moaning and groaning that repeats over and over is the same thing as being attacked. I listen to everybody’s troubles all day long and I get sick of people complaining who never do anything about their problems.

(F) Well, you don’t say that it is my problems that bother you, it’s everybody’s problems, and it did say that there is karmic significance here which means that you must have brought yourself into a situation where you are surrounded with other people all moaning and groaning about their problems. And, you chose this. If you didn’t want to listen to other people’s problems, why did you get married and have kids?

(L) Well, you would think that my friends would know that I don’t need to have problems dumped on me...

(F) Who is dumping problems on you? You keep saying this as if somehow...

(L) Well, let’s drop it... I want to ask: the other night Freddie read my palm and gave me several bits of information. When he reads palms does he direct channel this information?
A: Some.

Q: (L) Where does the other information come from when he is reading palms?
A: Varied.

Q: (L) Well, one thing he said to me was about something buried in my cellar.
Is there, in fact, something buried in my cellar?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) How am I to discover it other than digging the whole cellar out?
A: Patience will pave path.

Q: (L) Does that give me a clue that something is buried under the steps to the cellar rather than under the cellar itself?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, I was down there today - I had the kids empty the cellar out - I went around tapping and knocking, and...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I used a pendulum and dowsed. I came up with a spot using a pendulum, I found a spot. I used the sledge hammer and broke open a part of the cellar floor, dug down four feet, and there was nothing there. Now, I don’t look forward to doing that over a 9 by 7 space, and I certainly don’t intend to knock all the walls down...
A: Part of discovery process, test dowsing skill on known entities in order to refine process.

Q: (L) Well, either dowsing works or it doesn’t, wouldn’t you say? Test it on known...
A: Depends upon skill of dowser as in all psychic talents.

Q: (L) Well, the clue I am getting from that is that I may not be the one to do the dowsing, is that correct?
A: If you take one piano lesson and fail to produce Chopin, does that mean you should give up the piano?

Q: (L) Well, let me ask this, give me a straight answer on this one, is there something down there so that we should continue working on the project?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it worth tearing up the damn cellar to find it?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Well, let me ask you this, is it worth five thousand dollars?
A: To some.

Q: (L) Is it worth ten thousand dollars?
A: Discover.

Q: (L) What is it?

(F) Money, it could be gold, it could be jewelry, it could be a valuable stock certificate.

(L) Speaking of stock certificates, I have an old stock certificate for one share in the Elk’s Club, it is very, very old. Is it worth anything and should I pursue having it checked out?
A: Yes.

End of Session


Back to Contents




January 5, 1995

Freddie and Laura

Q: (L) Hello, who do we have with us tonight?
A: Turoian.

Q: (L) Where are you from?
A: Cass.

Q: (L) Cass? Are we abbreviating Cassiopaea now?
A: Sure, why not.

Q: (L) Well, I am sure that you must be aware of the excitement yesterday with the confirmation of the information received some time ago about J__’s past incarnation as a pilot in Viet Nam...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, I would like to have a few more details about this G__ R__ K__. Is this, in fact, the individual who is incarnated as my son?
A: Probably, but up to you to discover so as to learn remember, its all just

Q: (L) Well, what I would like to do is get some information from you and then do a session with Jason and then compare the information, to have a sort of guideline to go by, would that be alright.
A: Okey dokey.

Q: (L) The first thing I want to ask is this: G__ R__ K__, the probable individual, could you tell us what kind of plane he was flying?
A: EC 121.

Q: (L) How many other people were on board that plane?
A: 15.

Q: (L) And was that plane shot down?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) It did not just simply crash, is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What was it doing when it was shot down?
A: Combination reconnaissance and bombing.

Q: (L) Who was the pilot of the plane?
A: There were two.

Q: (L) What were their names?
A: G__ and G__. The “Two G’s.”

Q: (L) Now, G__ R__’s sister called me, what is her reaction to this information?
A: Anticipation.

Q: (L) What is she anticipating?
A: Reunion.

Q: (L) Because of this information, A__, of course, has inquired as to who she was in her last lifetime. So, could you tell me this?
A: Rebecca Rendell.

Q: (L) Where did she live?
A: Georgia.

Q: (L) What year was she born?
A: 1900.

Q: (L) When did she die in that lifetime?
A: 1963.

Q: (L) Is this the lifetime she recalled under hypnosis where she finds herself sitting and waiting and says that everyone is gone, has deserted her, she is alone?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is the situation surrounding that? Why does she feel so abandoned and alone?
A: Alcoholism.

Q: (L) She was an alcoholic?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was she abandoned and left alone because of her alcoholism?
A: Husband problems.

Q: (L) She had problems with her husband because of the alcoholism or did the problems with husband cause the alcoholism?
A: Interwoven.

Q: (L) Did she have children in that lifetime?
A: One.

Q: (L) When was that child born?
A: 1919.

Q: (L) Is that child living today?
A: No.

Q: (L) Did she have any grandchildren?
A: Three.

Q: (L) Was the child a boy or girl?
A: Girl. Fonora Jean.

Q: (L) The next one I want to ask about is A__. Who was A__ in her last lifetime?
A: Have youu finished with J__?

Q: (L) Well, I guess I could ask a few more questions about J__. What else could I ask?
A: Searing his lungs with flames.

Q: (L) Did that happen in the plane crash?
A: Immediately after missile strike.

Q: (L) Tell us more of what you are seeing at this moment.
A: Breathing in fire.

Q: (L) Was this the cause of death?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this the reason J__ has suffered from asthma?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, you previously said the leg was torn off with the missile strike, is this correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there any other injuries that occurred that he would be experiencing backlash from at this time?
A: Spine severed 17 locations.

Q: (L) Does this cause him back pain?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Any other physical symptoms or experiences?
A: Psychological.

Q: (L) In this experience, how long after the missile struck did he actually leave the body?
A: 14 seconds.

Q: (L) It was pretty much instantaneous.
A: Close.

Q: (L) Still, under those circumstances, 14 seconds can be forever. (F) No kidding. Time slows down to a standstill.
(L) What were the last thoughts G__ R__ had before he left the body?
A: He thought of his family and his childhood home.

Q: (L) If I were to take J__ to the home G__ R__ grew up in, would he remember it?
A: That was only one of his homes.

Q: (L) Did he remember his earliest home?
A: Yes!

Q: (L) Was he particularly close to his sister, R__?
A: More close to brothers.

Q: (L) Is that...
A: Rivalries, other siblings were more assertive.

Q: (L) Anything else we need to know at this time?
A: Body remains were questionable.

Q: (L) They may have buried the wrong remains in G__ R__’s grave?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Well, what do you mean the “remains were questionable?”
A: All will say.

Q: (L) That is all you are going to say on that?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, that is real curious. Goodness gracious. Okay, I would like to know who A__ was in her last lifetime?
A: Luther Meinhardt.

Q: (L) Where did Luther Meinhardt live?
A: Deutschland.

Q: (L) And what year was Luther Meinhardt born in Deutschland?
A: 1904.

Q: (L) And when did Luther Meinhardt die?
A: 1947.

Q: (L) What did Luther Meinhardt die from?
A: Dysentery.

Q: (L) Was there some connection between Luther and me in that lifetime?
A: Was officer in Gestapo.

Q: (L) Did I know this officer in the Gestapo?
A: Not directly or by name.

Q: (L) Well, if I didn’t know this person directly or by name, did this person have some effect on my life?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What effect did this person have on my life. What did they do?
A: Arrested husband.

Q: (L) And at the time my husband was arrested, what happened then?
A: Nothing of import.

Q: (L) What happened to the husband after he was arrested? Why was he arrested?
A: Judisch.

Q: (L) He was arrested because he was Jewish?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was I also Jewish?
A: No.

Q: (L) And how many children did I have?
A: Four.

Q: (L) What was the result of the arrest of my husband? Was he taken to a concentration camp, killed, or what?
A: Killed.

Q: (L) How was he killed?
A: Shot.

Q: (L) Was this the point at which I committed suicide by diving from a window?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, there were the four children; what then happened to the children?
A: Taken to camp “Orphanage.”

Q: (L) What happened to the four of them there?
A: Different fates.

Q: (L) What was the oldest one’s name?
A: Rita.

Q: (L) What happened to Rita?
A: Died in camp.

Q: (L) How old was Rita when she died in the camp?
A: 17.

Q: (L) What was the next oldest one’s name?
A: Gerta.

Q: (L) What happened to Gerta?
A: Died in camp.

Q: (L) How old was Gerta when she died?
A: 15.

Q: (L) What was the next one’s name?
A: Klaus.

Q: (L) What happened to Klaus?
A: Experimented upon, survived, lives in Austria or Holland.

Q: (L) Why does he live in one or the other?
A: Hard to decipher because he moves.

Q: (L) Does he move back and forth from one place to the other?
A: Has or does.

Q: (L) And Klaus is still living. When was Klaus born?
A: 1929.

Q: (L) What was the last name of the family?
A: Gerspringer.

Q: (L) What happened to the youngest child?
A: Ernst. Died 1987.

Q: (L) So, Ernst survived the camp. Are any of the children I have now reincarnations of my children then?
A: No.

Q: (L) Are there any ramifications of this situation that I need to deal with?
A: Watch karmic interaction with A__. You may have hidden anger.

Q: (L) But A__ is such a lovable baby. Why did she decide to come into my family if she was part of the Gestapo that destroyed my family?
A: Guilt.

Q: (L) She wanted to come in to assuage her guilt?
A: Was Gestapo, but intents were not evil, just “orders.”

Q: (L) And who was my husband in that lifetime?
A: Gerhard.

Q: (L) And who is he in this lifetime, has he already reincarnated?
A: No.

Q: (L) Didn’t you tell me that he had reincarnated and that he was G__ M__?
A: Yes, but has apparently passed and other entity told you, not us.

Q: (L) So, on the occasion when those questions were being asked, the entity that was telling us that was a corrupted influence?
A: Not corrupted, just other.

Q: (L) Another of the Cassiopaens told me that?
A: Check records.

Q: (L) I don’t understand. Well, since you brought that subject up, are you intending to say that the entity in this person’s body has passed and another entity has taken its place?
A: No. G__ was husband, but other lifetime.

Q: (L) I see, I guess. Okay, well, where is the person who was my husband in that lifetime? Is he still floating around somewhere?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay. What lifetime was it when G__ was my husband?
A: Before the last one.

Q: (L) What year was that lifetime?
A: 1800’s..

Q: (L) In that particular lifetime, what was the karmic interaction or dynamics?
A: Husband and wife. Deutschland, Prussia.

Q: (L) What was his name?
A: Gunther Steinbrandt.

Q: (L) What was my name in that lifetime?
A: Wilhelmina.

Q: (L) Did we have any children?
A: No.

Q: (L) What was Gunther Steinbrandt’s occupation?
A: Solderer.

Q: (L) He was a worker with solder?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I didn’t know they had solder in that time. Sounds like a totally boring life. Did anything dramatic or interesting happen in that life?
A: Subjective.

Q: (L) My current husband and I seemingly have very strong karma together. What is the source of this karma?
A: Were lovers in Persia.

Q: (L) And that was in the 1600s as we have been told before, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do I have any particular karma toward or with any of my children that is outstanding? Any one or two children with outstanding karma?
A: A__.

Q: (L) What about A__?
A: No.

Q: (L) Who was A__ in her last lifetime?
A: Brian Jones.

Q: (L) When did Brian Jones die?
A: 1889

Q: (L) When was Brian Jones born?
A: 1803.

Q: (L) And do all of my children have strong connections to me in terms of affection or karma or whatever?
A: As always.

Q: (L) When was the last lifetime Freddie and I were together?
A: 1700’s.

Q: (L) Who was Freddie in the 1700s?
A: Bavarian landowner’s son.

Q: (L) Who was I in this lifetime?
A: Daughter.

Q: (L) I was Freddie’s daughter?
A: No, sister.

Q: (L) Was this the same lifetime when I was married to G__?
A: No. Spent 3 lifetimes in what is now Germany.

Q: (L) Was my mother with me in that lifetime?
A: No.

Q: (L) In that lifetime as Bavarian landowner’s children, what was Freddie’s name?
A: Heinrig.

Q: (L) What was my name?
A: Sheila.

Q: (L) What did we do in that lifetime? Argue?
A: Were sheltered.

Q: (L) Any exceptional talents or abilities?
A: Piano and harp.

Q: (L) So, all I did was sit around and play the piano and harp all the time?
A: Close.

Q: (L) And read books? What did Freddie do, smoke cigars and gaze out the window?
A: Read.

Q: (L) Must have been nice, Freddie. What area of Bavaria was this?
A: Muenchen near. South of there. On Braunau.

Q: (L) Was this a very large house?
A: Castle.

Q: (L) Sounds better all the time. Is the castle still standing?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Would we know that castle by name?
A: No.

Q: (L) What was our last name, surname, family name?
A: Von Endersohn.

Q: (L) Did we live long and fullfilling and happy lives?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Did we experience tragedy?
A: Was turbulent era.

Q: (L) Well, how old was I when I died?
A: 43.

Q: (L) How old was Freddie when he died?
A: 43.

Q: (L) Were we twins?
A: No.

Q: (L) Who was older, me or him?
A: Year apart.

Q: (L) What did he die from?
A: Heart attack.

Q: (L) What did I die from?
A: Pneumonia.

Q: (L) Did we die still living in our castle?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did either of us have any children?
A: No. Were sheltered from turbulence directed at wealthy.

Q: (L) How were we sheltered from this turbulence?
A: Kept isolated. Never married.

Q: (L) Well, I guess that is one way to shelter yourself from turbulence, just never go out. We just sat around, played the piano and harp and read books. That sounds like a pretty ideal existence to me. Did we ride horses too?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I guess we worked hard to entertain ourselves.
(F) That must be why we both yearn for security, peaceful reading and so on.
(L) I have always wanted to live in Europe. Would I be happy doing so?
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) (F) Well, that is probably why you yearn to live in Europe, because you spent 3 lifetimes in that area.
(L) If I used hypnosis, could I improve my piano playing? Also, would I be able to automatically play the harp?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Has it ever been done before?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) The other night, on New Year’s Eve, you said there was a whole group of celestial visitors, and, among these you included my great-grandmother, Laura, is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, does this mean that she has not gone into the light or can people come who have done so?
A: Latter.

Q: (L) I would like to know what my grandmother thinks of being dead?
A: Relief.

Q: (L) Well, I think that one of the things that made her hang on so long was that she was worried about me. I think about her a lot. When I do, is she aware of it?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the idea of walk-ins, this is an idea that Ruth Montgomery promulgated, does this ever happen?
A: Rarely.

Q: (L) What about the case of the individual known as Lobsang Rampa? Was Lobsang Rampa a walk-in?
A: No.

Q: (L) What was the source of the material Lobsang wrote about in his books?
A: An active imagination.

Q: (L) So, Lobsang’s books were basically his imagination and were not channeled in any way?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there a possibility that he channeled some of that information?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) I sent out a batch of mail today, I sent a copy to M__ F__ with a cover letter etc. I am curious as to whether this will open his eyes in any way to the fact that what is going on with us is far more interesting than what is going on with Scarlett?
A: Doubtful.

Q: (L) I also sent a copy of it to L__ S__ and a copy to this metaphysical group over here on 54 and a copy to J__ and G__ B__... How will M__ N__ react to our information?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Are you going to give me any indication about how any of these people are going to react to any of this information? Can you look into the future and give me any idea of what I can expect from the different people?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) As far as I can see, having found out about the network, until I can get an access line, it seems that our use of this network is going to be severely limited.
A: Look into 800 number.

Q: (L) Well, in order to get an 800 number, I would have to get the company to do it. I’ll look into it, but I don’t think so. Now, this person on the network, IrishSir, I have basically decided that I am not going to respond to him because he is very offensive in his responses. It is as though he is attempting to draw me into a situation where he can attack. Is this course of action acceptable?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Is there anything I could say to this guy that would have an impact on him?
A: Of course.

Q: (L) Give me a clue as to what approach to take?
A: Up to you to learn communication with challenging subjects.

Q: (L) The other night when we were talking about Jesus, I asked if there was any historical person we knew who resembled him and said you were scanning.
A: No.

Q: (L) What was Jesus actual name?
A: Jesinavarah.

Q: (L) What is the source of A__’s aversion to what I do and think?
A: Different orientation.

Q: (L) And what is her orientation?
A: Material.

Q: (L) Is A__ a 4th density candidate?
A: Open.

Q: (L) We have been having a lot of very unusual cloud shapes and formations. What is the source of this...
A: Upper level wind convergence.

Q: (L) When this occurs, does it represent anything from other dimensions? Or is it something to do with EM wave formations from the earth?
A: Vague.

Q: (L) In other words, can these upper level winds and strange cloud patterns be 4th, 5th or 6th density interactions?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Could these cloud patterns be a result of strange electromagnetic patterns on the earth such as those that presage earthquakes and volcanic eruptions?
A: Can.

Q: (L) Do we have an upcoming volcanic eruption or earthquake in the, say, next ten days?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Which?
A: Earthquake. Andes. 7.6 Peru.

Q: (L) Is there anything we need to know before we shut down for the night?
A: No.

Q: (L) What time of day was G__ R__ born?
A: a.m. 6:21.

Q: (L) I apologize for asking so many personal questions, but this thing about J__ has definitely given a lot of credibility to the source here. Goodnight.

End of Session


Back to Contents


January 7, 1995

Freddie, Laura, Terry, Jan, V, D, T

Q: (L) Hello.
A: Hello. Victim V__. [Laughter]

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Powder.

Q: [Powder added to board] (L) Now, I guess you’ll want aftershave too.
A: Aftershave, please.

Q: (L) Who do we have with us tonight?
A: Lomarra.

Q: (L) Are you a discarnate?
A: No.

Q: (L) What or who are you?
A: Light being.

Q: (L) And where are you communicating from?
A: Cassiopaea.

Q: (L) We have a few interesting questions tonight. I think the first thing on everybody’s mind is the strange events during the night and early morning hours, reported by Terry and Jan compared with events that happened that John said that he experienced and also, Terry’s dad, and also something woke A__ up with a start and I was awakened with a strange feeling. We are a little bit curious about this event, this occurrence, and we would like to have some information on it. What exactly was it?
A: Thunder.

Q: (L) It seemed to be an extraordinarily massive strike, and it seemed to have been heard at a great distance in several directions. Where, in fact, did this lightning bolt strike?
A: Cell was uniformly structured throughout region.

Q: (T) So we all heard that particular blast because of that?
A: No. Each zone received similar EM profile, thus one particularly heavily charged event in each zone.

Q: (L) What is an EM profile?
A: Electromagnetic.

Q: (L) Was there any particular significance to this type of blast since it is not something any of us has experienced in our immediate memory. Is there any implication to this blast in terms of 4th density activity?
A: You have, and yes, as always.

Q: (L) Since this was such a boomer, what exactly was going on on 4th density that produced a boomer like this?
A: Overlapping densities, lasting approximately 1.3 seconds, as you measure time i.e.: for 1.3 seconds, you lived completely in 4th density.

Q: (T) So this was a significant event for us to have noticed?
A: The noticing was more significant than the event.

Q: (V) Can I ask... so every time there is... am I wrong in assuming that every time there is thunder there is a mix of 4th density?

(L) No, no.

(V) It’s just this one time?

(T) What about if you didn’t notice? I didn’t hear it.

(T) What was the answer?

(L) The noticing was more important than the event.

(T) So it was important that we were aware that something had happened...
A: You did at another level of consciousness.

Q: (L) Did this event have anything to do with A__’s experience this morning of being awakened by a rustling in her room and thinking that she heard a squeaky voice calling her name?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, what was it that she experienced?
A: 4th density “resident.”

Q: (L) And what kind of 4th density resident was this?
A: Om.

Q: (L) Who is Om.

(V) Is it a name?

(T) Is Om the name of the being?
A: Type.

Q: (L) What is a type Om?
A: You would rather not know!

Q: (L) No, I would rather know. If something is going to be visiting my daughter in her bedroom, I definitely want to know who or what it is.
A: Who says this will be regular event?

Q: (V) So, in other words, if it is not going to happen all the time, don’t worry about it, is that right?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) This was just a one time event?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) Was the reason A__ was so aware of this is because she is psychically open when she is asleep?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) Is there anything she needs to do to control her psychic openness in order not to be harmed?
A: Why control something beneficial?

Q: (V) Well, it’s just that Laura was concerned because you know...

(T) Is this something that we all encounter every now and again?
A: Three of you have... no, make that five. Terry, Tom, Freddie, D__, Laura.

Q: (D) The thumps that I hear in my house, this is not my grandmother, is this correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Are these visitors?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) What can you tell me about that?
A: What do you want to know?

Q: (D) Are these Cassiopaeans?
A: We do not “Thump.” [laughter]

Q: (L) What is causing the thumping phenomenon in D__’s house.
A: 5th and 4th visitors of varying description your many activities have attracted.

Q: (T) Are they harmful?

(D) My many activities like reading... psychic readings?

(L) No, no, stop. Are these beings in general STS or STO oriented?

Q: (L) So, varying activities of D__’s have attracted them. What initial activities did D__ do that opened the doorway for this type of activity?
A: Networking.

Q: (L) Networking with who or what?
A: Her recent contacts.

Q: (L) With who or what?
A: People.

Q: (L) Who, specifically?

(D) Are we talking about E__ Page?
A: That is one.

Q: (D) M__ T__?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) J__ H__?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) Laura and Fred?
A: No.

Q: (D) P__ K__?
A: No.

Q: (D) Anyone from the church?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) B__?
A: No.

Q: (D) D__ W__?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Did it start with my association with D__ W__?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Was that the first time?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) How can I stop these visits?
A: Complicated.

Q: (D) Where do I start. What is the first step?

(L) Well, you have an EM opening. Closing that would be the first step.
A: You have begun already.

Q: (D) With reading.

(T) By asking?
A: Yes. Yes.

Q: (D) What is the next step?
A: This is not a “step by step process.”

Q: (L) Is it that she is going to have to have knowledge and awareness?
A: The light is knowledge, which is protection.

Q: (L) I guess that means that you need to visualize light around yourself and your house.

(D) I guess some sage and holy water...

(L) No, no, no, no, no rituals. Knowledge. The power of the mind only.

(T) If she stops associating with P__ and group will this be a good step in the right direction?
A: We do not condone recommendations for friendships and associations; that is free will.

Q: (L) So, they are not going to tell you who to associate with, it is your own choice.

(J) But, now that you have the knowledge, you can make an informed choice.

(D) Well, there is no choice... that is it.
A: Up to you.

Q: (L) I would like to bring up before we get sidetracked, that we have Tom with us this evening and...
A: Hi T__.

Q: (L) T__ has a couple of questions he would like to ask about moving and his direction in life, this will be brief. So, I will just let him ask his questions.
A: Now you are beginning to see what happens when you let emotions take over, T__. We warned you in a subtle way.

Q: (T) What do I need to do to get myself back on track on a spiritual path?
A: We were talking directly to you with the last 2 answers.

Q: (T) Did you get some kind of a warning?
A: Do you remember, T__.

Q: (T) No, I don’t remember the warning.
A: Okay, now think carefully, access memories of first day of “union.”

Q: (T) Are you talking about my relationship with A__?
A: We were being discreet.

Q: (L) You blabbed it out, they were being discreet. Did you get some kind of warning?

(V) Did you get any “gut” feelings?

(L) Have you not learned that your relationship is taking you away from your spiritual path?

(D) Did she ask you to give up anything?

(V) Did the relationship make you feel uncomfortable?

(D) Did it give you negative thoughts about spirituality?
A: Let T__ figure it out. This is rather of a private nature.

Q: (T) Okay. Well, I’m thinking of...
A: T__ has a tendency to be rebellious and secretive.

Q: (J) Well, that’s not such a bad combination.

(T) Yeah, I’m working on that...

(V) We all have our crosses to bear...

(L) Tom now has a plan where he is going to... his relationship has led to other situations that have caused unpleasantness in his life; he is now going to travel half-way across the country to escape this...
A: Repeating syndrome.

Q: (T) No matter where you go, there YOU are.

(L) The scenery may change, but you will be the same with the same problems until you change yourself.

(T) It is really because I know I can support myself better out there and I know that we can support ourselves better out there.
A: How do you know that?

Q: (T) Because I have checked with the papers, I have looked at what is out there... There’s more jobs out there, there’s more apartments, more opportunity, better chance to really get ahead....

(L) Who are you trying to convince?
A: Really???

Q: (T) I just feel like it’s time for a change.
A: You have felt that way often before.

Q: (T) Okay, let me ask this: could I have some kind of place out there, do something that needs to be done out there?
A: Many have lived under the illusion that relocation improves destiny. All have failed.

Q: (L) If you can’t succeed where you are, you probably won’t succeed anywhere else.

(J) You always carry yourself with you wherever you go. If you are what’s wrong, moving doesn’t change that.

(L) And, in fact, it can make things worse.

(T) Yeah, you lose a lot because you lose your connections and contacts, your support system, your network, everything.

(T) Well, part of it is that I just want to go.

(L) Maybe wanting to go is part of your problem.

(J) Are you running away?

(T) No.

(L) Is T__ running away?
A: [T__ gets on board.] Yes.

Q: (L) Is there anything you can tell T__....
A: The community he is considering is much more 3rd density. It is not metaphysically oriented.

Q: (L) In other words, if he moves, he will get more in the soup? [break for discussion] T__ thinks he can make it work... comments please.
A: Well, this plan is related to and contingent on shaky emotional
considerations. His relationship is unstable and that is at the root of the issue.

Q: (T) What do I have to do to make the relationship stable?

(V) Oh, the youngsters! “We are going to make this square peg fit into this round hole no matter what!”
A: Open.

Q: (T) Can you give me a hint as to what I need to do...

(L) What they are saying is that you can’t make this relationship stable...

(J) Either it is or it isn’t.
A: Let T__ decide.

Q: (T) Let me just ask this... can I make this relationship stable?
A: Discover. But moving won’t accomplish this.

Q: (T) I know I can make this work, but should I stay here?
A: Better chance of survival of the relationship if you remain and work things

Q: (T) But her best friend is out there...
A: Friendships are not stable with this one.

Q: (L) They are saying Andrea is not capable of a stable friendship and that may extend to relationships.
(T) Can I help her attain spirituality or a level of enlightenment?
A: What we told you with the first answer applies. Does not have to be painful.

Q: (D) I have been married twice. The day before I was to marry the man who I thought was wonderful, of course, I was told that no one was going to make me marry him, and that if I wanted to I could change my mind. I had reservations but I did not feel that I could back out because the wedding was already set. And it turned out to be a very destructive marriage and divorce. So, what I am saying to you is that if everything is not perfect about your mate, in terms of your expectations and needs, if there is anything that you think you can or have to change about this person, or that involvement with you will change, you are wrong. You can’t change them, they won’t change, and the relationship will deteriorate destructively. If you are now asking what you have to do to “make” it work, it is already on the road to destruction. It is never to late to come to your senses and back out.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a past life or karmic tie between T__ and Andrea?
A: As always. It is up to him to discover. He is rebellious and is not listening. We have given much, now it is up to him.

Q: (L) Is anyone in this room not rebellious?
(Chorus) I am!

(L) Have we not all learned the hard way?

(Chorus) I certainly have... yes...

(V) We have all learned the lesson we see T__ facing. It’s easy for us to sit back and know the end result because we have all been through it before. It’s easy for us to tell him to back away and rethink because we have all been forced to do it but we need to remember how painful it was to us at the time and how we all thought it was the end of the world.

(L) Yes. We all thought that ending destructive relationships was the hardest thing in the world to do... other people gave us advice when we were younger like we are advising T__ now, and we didn’t take it...

(L) But how much easier on us it would have been if we had the wisdom then to do what we see now...

(Chorus) Amen!
A: Real love is not strictly hormonal.

Q: (T) So, what they are saying is that I can make this work here but I can’t make it work there?

(L) No, T__, the chances are not good either way, but you have something of a chance here with a good support system and your metaphysical network. There, it is certain to fail and then you will be in emotional turmoil, probably broke, and stuck far away from everybody.

(V) There is not a pat answer on your relationship, they just said if you stay here, it has a better chance. They didn’t say that if you stay, you definitely will succeed... And, if you are seeking spirituality right now, it is definitely a bad move to make...
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Going back to the event of this morning, when J__ related his experience of it to me, he said that when he opened his eyes that the light looked yellow...

(V) I noticed the discoloration too...

(J) Was that related to the event?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) What caused the light to change color?
A: Leftover 4th density effects.

Q: (L) Is this something that is going to be happening more and more as we move to 4th density?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is this electromagnetic charging of the atmosphere, I am assuming that is what it is, and that it is occurring as part of the shifting of densities...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) If it is an electromagnetic charging of the atmosphere, is this charging coming about because of this oncoming wave and effects that we are beginning to feel more and more of, are they part of the wave, its presence or approach?
A: It is a buildup, similar to the early effects preceeding the arrival of a seawave.

Q: (T) Are the extremely high winds they have been experiencing in North Carolina and California and the earthquakes in Japan all related to this?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Yes. The media is playing that down... 140 mile an hour winds up in the Carolina’s and out in California they were hitting 160 miles an hour winds.

(L) Well, they told us we were going to have really weird weather.

(T) There was another earthquake in Japan today. This has been ongoing for the last couple of weeks. Japan is supposed to go.

(V) Sylvia Brown was on a talk show. Sylvia Brown is known as a highly aware psychic. How do you feel about her psychic abilities?
A: Okay.

Q: (V) She had said that there was going to be a big earthquake in Alaska... a huge one... what can you tell us about this?
A: One of many events of the buildup lasting years, as you measure time.

Q: (V) That’s interesting because I followed Sylvia Brown for a number of years.

(L) Let me ask this: I got a letter from Piers A. and he was giving me the big pooh pooh and....
A: Piers is misguided.

Q: (L) Well, my question about this is, in addition to that really revolting letter I got from that creep on the network, my feeling about this is: I really want these people to open their eyes, will they?
A: Those who will, will.

Q: (T) Look at it this way, you have an open enough mind to allow those who have their minds closed to keep them closed. You have tried, you don’t have to take it any further.

(L) You guys said that we were going to have a whole big, bodacious bunch more of UFO activity this year, is that correct? 1995
A: Bingo!

Q: (L) And I guess it has already started because some guy in Michigan filmed a UFO in broad daylight and they showed it on the news three days in a row and I don’t think they were being snide in their comments...

(Fred) Yes they were. I saw it on channel 13 and they were being definitely snide.

(T) And those guys lost their network affiliation, too!

(L) That fellow in Michigan, could you identify that craft for us and who it belonged to?
A: It was the Grays.

Q: (L) Now, are the Grays going to allow themselves to be seen more and more in 3rd density in the upcoming years.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is there a reason behind this exposure?
A: All of these events are related to that with which you are now familiar.

Q: (L) This is part of their movement to land on the planet, interact with human beings, say, via the media...

(T) They are already landing on the planet...
A: No, for all is related to approach of oncoming wave, what the details are
will remain to be seen.

Q: (L) By the way, T__, your information about the bases in Appalachia happens to have been confirmed.

(T) Are there military bases in the Appalachian mountains?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Hidden ones?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they for the subjugation of the U.S. when they start the implement the final stages of the New World Order in this country?
A: Remains to be seen.

Q: (L) Do they actually have buildings or places set up in this country to be crematoriums and labor camps as I have read about in several articles?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) When do they intend to initiate this plan?
A: Open.

Q: (T) Last I heard was March of 1995.

(V) Goodness gracious.

(L) I have been saying for years now after doing the charts that 95 is going to be one strange year.

(V) A lot of other people are saying that too.

(D) There is supposed to be something big, some big organization fall...

(L) If we sat here and visualized a clockwise vortex of light and energy, would it greatly enhance the energy flow?
A: Not necessary any longer.

Q: (V) Last night I all of a sudden got a flash to do a Tarot reading. Now, I hadn’t done this in months because I know it is not a super clear channel, but, I had the overwhelming feeling that it was okay to do this. Was the reading I did for myself last night a valid and factual true reading?
A: If you wish it to be.

Q: (V) Well, I was hoping with the reading that I was drawing on your energy, was I?
A: You do not cards to “draw on our energy.” Your strong feeling was to meditate for information. You misinterpreted it as a need for Tarot. Cards can confuse, meditation never does.

Q: (V) Well, they were nice cards and I threw a spread this morning that was beautiful... the last card was the moon card... and in my perception of that card I haven’t been able to signify whether that meant psychic energy or deception... what was the meaning within my perception?
A: We have given enough personal data for this session.

Q: (T) What is a good way to meditate?
A: The way that feels “effortless” for you.

Q: (V) Okay, if we are getting off of personal stuff here, and moving on to more generalized... I would like to know... there is a common knowledge kind of thing among metaphysical people that when a soul is born onto the planet, that soul, that little baby, has infinite knowledge, and as we grow and learn we were conditioned to lose our knowledge, is this true?
A: No.

Q: (L) How could a baby have infinite knowledge, it only has imprint of its past life experiences.

(V) You have heard that also...
A: That is nonsense.

Q: (V) That’s fine... I was just... I’m sure you’ve heard that...
A: Souls are not “born” into this planet. Souls were never born! And, will never die!

Q: (V) I understand, my question was loose; I’m sorry.

(D) Are there any new souls being created?
A: Just answered if you use your head. Diana does not know the real concept of “time.”

Q: (D) Well, that is a concept that is very difficult for me.

(L) Well, for everybody. We can talk about it and play with it... but there really is no time. It’s an illusion, it’s a lie...

(T) It’s part of the 3rd density world we have created...

(D) I’m trying real hard...

(F) Okay, let me give you an example: Take yourself off the planet, take yourself farther away so you can’t see the sun anymore except as a speck.

(D) Okay, I’m there...

(F) Now you are floating out there in space... there is no direction, everything is just out from you... there is no up or down or sideways... nothing... You see stars every way you look, but there is no point of orientation... Now, being no longer on the planet, the sun doesn’t rise and the sun doesn’t set... you have no watch or clock... how do you know what was before and what was after...

(T) Have you ever heard of people who go down into caves to do research experiments, and they come out thinking that only 45 days have passed when it has really been 65 or a hundred... because time slows down and virtually stops. Time is a human concept.

(F) I read the book about the Barbara Mackle abduction. She was kidnapped by a guy who put her into an underground coffin with gadgets to help her survive, and she was buried... she thought, when she was pulled out, 83 hours later, she thought she had only been in there one night.

(L) Let’s ask this question: In a state where there are no artificial considerations such as the delineation of night and day, in such a state, what would be the natural cycle of the human physical body in terms of, say, sleeping or eating, and refer this back to our concept of time. In other words, how long would we naturally stay awake, and then how long would we naturally sleep if we were not constrained by artificial time references, in a general sense?
A: Your entire existence would be radically different and would not cycle in the same ways at all.

Q: (L) Can you tell us how it would?
A: It depends on the environment.

Q: (L) So, we are so interactive with our environment that we almost can’t separate ourselves from it, is that what you are saying?
A: Close.

Q: (L) If our solar system motion was such that, according to our present time delineations, we had 48 hours of daylight and 48 hours of night, would there be a concomitant extension of lifetime in the same terms?
A: Maybe.

Q: (L) Sitchin has an interesting idea about his theorized planet Nibiru, that their solar year is 3,600 of our years, and, therefore, for every one year of their life, 3,600 years pass on earth, and therefore a being who theoretically was on such a planet, one with a 3,600 year orbit, would live many multiple thousands of years. Is this a valid concept insofar as it goes?
A: That is a confused cross conceptualization.

Q: (L) Now, is that confusion as I presented it, or confusion as Sitchin theorized it?
A: It’s the whole gang.

Q: (T) We have to remember that time is only relative to earth, and it came about the way it is now only because of mathematics based on base 10 counting system. If you go to the moon, time is not reflected in the same way, if you have to measure it, as it is here. We use earth time on the moon. If we were to go to Mars, Mars time would be different. It is all based on rotation and orbit, which is only one way of doing it. As an example, not exactly having to do with time, but the idea of pi, 3.1416. On the SETI program they send out pi on a radio program saying: “Intelligent life will understand pi because pi is a basic idea in circular mathematics.” You have to be able to figure pi in order to calculate circumference and diameter and so on in circles and arcs. So, I ask, what is the good of sending out pi in base ten when, say, the Grays only have 8 digits on their fingers? What is pi in base 8? 3.1416 means absolutely nothing to someone who is working in another system base.
A: Grays are cybergenetic beings, therefore they use mathematics they are programmed to use.

Q: (T) You all missed the point. I understand that Grays are...
A: No, we did not. Why do you look “up” when talking to us?

Q: (L) Well, where should we look?
A: Anywhere.

Q: (L) Okay now, the Grays are programmed to use mathematics. I am assuming that they are programmed to use the mathematics of the Lizard beings, their creators, is that correct?
A: Variable.

Q: (L) Well, the question I am trying to get at here is, what base do the Lizards use?
A: The Lizards have a form of mathematics you would not even begin to understand.

Q: (L) Well, I would imagine so. Now, if a line is defined as the movement of a point in a single direction, and a plane is defined as a line moving at right angles to itself, and the 3rd dimension is defined as a plane moving at right angles to itself, and the 4th dimension is defined as a three dimensional object moving at right angles to itself, then what we are talking about in 4th density, something that we simply cannot grasp. If we look at a 3 D apple, we are only seeing a slice, so to speak, of a 4th dimensional object. If we could see the apple in its true, 4th dimensional state, we would see something, probably more like a long, red tubular type thing that goes onto infinity. Is this a correct assessment?
A: Close.

Q: (T) And then there is 5th, 6th and 7th density levels. The whole point is to demonstrate that time doesn’t exist and is irrelevant. It could be defined in any countless numbers of ways.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Look at the Mayans... they counted in base 20.

(T) Once you remove all references to time, it slows down and eventually stops.

(J) Yes, look at what happens to those who are in sensory deprivation chambers.

(T) Exactly.

(L) An imploding infinity, so to speak.
A: If you were out in space, you might sleep for thousands of years or remain “awake” for millions of “years.”

Q: (T) This refers back to Freddie’s explanation of floating in space along with how time might be perceived without reference points.
A: It really does not matter, because you would not be under the same illusion that “Time” even exists.

Q: (L) Let me ask this: I am kind of drifting into another subject, but we are talking about being in space. We talked at one point, I believe, of the matrices of the various planets and our perceptions of the planets in our solar system, and these matrices being almost like a doorway to another density, and that if we were in the proper dimensional mode that we would see the other planets of our own solar system quite differently from how we see them in our third density mode, and that we would, in fact, be able to look upon Venus, which manifests in 3rd density as a pretty hellish place, with temperatures 900 degrees or thereabouts, and we would find it to be something else altogether with beings inhabiting it, is this correct.
A: Yes. Beings live absolutely everywhere in one realm or another.

Q: (L) Are the beings who live on the planet Venus aware of us on the planet Earth?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are there beings also living on Mars?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they aware of us?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are the beings on all the other planets in our solar system aware of us here, on planet Earth?
A: Yes, because they are all of higher density.

Q: (L) Why is it that the Earth seems to be the lower density planet and we seem to be kind of left out in the cold, so to speak. They know of us, but we can’t perceive them. Why is this? Why are we singled out for this?

(D) Was earth created after all the others?
A: NO, no, no.

Q: (T) Are they interacting with us?
A: Okay, stop, whoa! A review session follows: Who is 1st density?

Q: (L) Rocks and minerals, right?
A: And?

Q: (L) Plants?
A: Yes. Now, what awareness do you suppose they have of you?

Q: (L) What awareness do rocks and plants have of US?! Oh, dear God!

(V) That’s an interesting way to put it. An excellent example.

(T) When we ask why higher beings have awareness of us but we are not aware of them, we need to ask what awareness beings lower than us have of us.

(J) Obviously no more than we have of 4th density.

(T) But when you play music to a plant, it has some awareness because it makes it grow better.

(L) But music is not a being.

(T) It’s an energy wave.

(J) Wait a minute... what they are saying is: they have no more awareness of us than we, as 3rd density beings, have of 4th density beings.

(T) Does this mean that they interact with us the way we interact with plants?
A: Who is “on” 2nd level.

Q: (L) Animals.

(T) Insects, lower life forms.
A: Now, think carefully, what level of awareness, and more importantly, understanding, do they have of you?

Q: (L) Well, I guess they are aware of us in some way, but they don’t understand us...

(T) Some do at some point...

(T) They understand us to a certain extent...

(Fred) But their understanding is entirely different from our understanding of them. In other words, they see these big hulking beings, but they don’t know what’s going on.

(L) Was Ouspensky’s explanation of how animals perceive humans very close to the truth?
A: Close. Now, what about 1st level understanding and perception of 2nd level?

Q: (L) Okay, 1st density, minerals and plants... now rocks and minerals combine with plants through growing actions, water dissolution, erosion, and so on, they have a real limited existence. And what happens is that mostly animals come along and eat them.

(Fred) Bees pollinate flowers.
(L) Different kinds of animals live in trees.

(T) Some animals live in the ground and in caves.

(T) So, rocks and minerals and plants have a really limited understanding of the animals above them which interact with them in various ways.
A: Yes, and you have a limited understanding of the densities above you.

Q: (L) Well, that is still begging the question, my question was...

(T) As an example, today we all experienced something we call thunder, but we were all aware that it was something more. Something happened in 4th density that we experienced in a certain way, and it was a limited understanding of that level.
A: Laura, unblock, do rocks and plants “see” you?

Q: (J) Probably not.

(D) We don’t really know.

(T) We see the 3rd density manifestations of 1st density objects. We don’t see the 1st density perception of itself. So, how do we see the 4th density manifestations, they see us on a 4th density level... not necessarily as we perceive ourselves.
A: Tom, you are making rapid progress. Laura better watch her Butt! [laughter]

Q: (V) So, I am curious... what do rocks look like to each other?

(L) Let’s ask. What do rocks see when they look at each other?
A: They sense each other.

Q: (L) What example of our sensory apparatus would be close to an example of what a rock senses when it is aware of another rock?
A: That is a cross conceptualization and will not work.

Q: (L) So there is no way we can interpret what a rock senses. Well, another 1st density example is plants. We know that plants can react positively to certain persons and negatively to others. They have experimented with hooking them up to polygraph machines and measured these responses.

(J) They also react to music...

(T) Third density reactions...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) If plants interact with each other, do they feel, say, fondness for one another?
A: Something akin to that.

Q: (L) Does it hurt a plant when we eat it?
A: Does it hurt you when a “Lizzie” eats you?

Q: (T) Yes, you see, on 4th density... we are on 3rd density and we eat 1st and 2nd density, the 4th density eats us.

(D) If we hurt plants by eating them like the Lizzies hurt us when they eat us, how are we to survive without eating?
A: When you no longer crave physicality, you no longer need to “eat.”

Q: (L) So part of the “fall” into the physical existence and part of the Edenic story of the whole business, “you shall eat by the sweat of your brow,” has to do with being physical and needing to eat?
A: Lucifer, “The fallen Angel.” This is you.

Q: (L) So, “falling” means going into physical existence wherein you must feed on other life, other beings, is that it?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) When plants feed on 1st level beings such as rocks and water and so forth, do the 1st density beings feel pain?
A: That is redundant. We have already covered this.

Q: (T) So when a plant absorbs nutrients....

(L) Well, a plant is the same density as minerals, so it is almost like...

(T) Like two separate entities becoming one?

(V) Like Jeffrey Dahmer... [laughter]

(L) My bologne has a first name...

(LM) Minerals dissolve in water and are then absorbed by the plant, what pain could there be in this?
A: Subjective, L__.

Q: (L) Maybe the dissolution of, say, phosphate in water, is a “death” to it...
A: Close. You limit when you perceive on 3rd level only and think that your perception is all there is.

Q: (L) So, in other words, we should be able to perceive on 1st and 2nd as well as 3rd while working on 4th level understanding?
A: No. Work on 4th, 5th and 6th.

Q: (L) Is it not also beneficial to understand the 1st and 2nd density levels as well, just simply for the exercise in understanding that which is below us?
A: Strive always to rise.

Q: (V) Haven’t we already done our 1st and 2nd level work as evolving souls?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) So there is no reason to step back.

(T) Who eats the Lizzies on the 4th level?
A: No one. 4th is the last density for full manifestation of STS.

Q: (T) So, beings on the 5th and 6th level exist in pure energy?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The 4th level is the last for full STS. Does that mean that the 5th level, which you have described as the “contemmplative” level... what is the state of existence of a STS being on the 5th level?
A: Souls of 1,2,3, and 4 go to 5th.

Q: (T) So 5th level is where they go to while waiting to go back to one of the 4 for their next incarnation?
A: Exactly.

Q: (T) That is why it’s called the contemplation level. You go and think about what you have done.

(T) What about souls on 6th density?

(L) Are there 6th density STS beings?
A: No, when you get to 6th you no longer need to recycle.

Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density, like the 6th density Orions?
A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole entities, just thought forms.

Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes as a “gathering” of angels as in the story of Job where “Lucifer” came in before the Lord...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which balance? And they are just there, they exist?
A: Reflection for balance.

Q: (L) Is there any kind of heirarchy to this thing? Do these beings come before some kind of “Grand Council” and make plans and discuss things, and make decisions and implement them?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, how do things happen? Do things just sort of happen as a natural interaction of things and energies?
A: Yes.

Q: (V) If we are on the 3rd density and you are working with us and we are striving to make 4th density, at the same time are you, at 6th density, striving to reach 7th?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Is helping us, helping you to reach 7th density?

(V) Are there others at higher densities working with you as you are working with us?
A: No, we all reach 7th level together.

Q: (L) So, in other words, you guys are trying to bring us up and everybody else is coming up, and when all the pieces are back together, we then go to 7th, is that it?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So that is your purpose in helping us?
A: It’s a natural process.

Q: (T) Will our function be, when we are at 6th density, to help others on 3rd, as you are doing?
A: Yes. We are you in the future.

Q: (T) When more than 50 per cent of the souls reach 6th density in preparation to go to 7th density, will all the rest of them automatically manifest into that density?
A: Not correct concept. You are using 3rd density “Brotherhood” inspired mathematical calculations and ideas.

Q: (J) So, there are no percentages involved in it.

(T) So, we have to get every single soul up there.

(V) I don’t think it is as much that as that you can’t apply 3rd density mathematics to that level.

(T) Let’s say a majority.
A: No. Still using 3rd density mathematics.

Q: (L) Okay, what criteria constitutes the means of this ultimate translation into 7th density?
A: The lessons completed.

Q: (J) Okay.

(T) When all the souls transition to 7th density, will all the souls be integrated into one soul?
A: Close.

Q: (T) So that is why we have to get everybody, because we all become one on 7th density.

(D) What will we then do to change the game and make it interesting again?
A: Don’t have to “do” anything, has, will, is!!!

Q: (L) The fellow who wrote the Ultimate Frontier, was he channeling that information or did those events he described actually take place?
A: Yes and yes.

Q: (L) Was he, in fact, the reincarnation of King David as he claimed?
A: If he prefers.

Q: (L) He lost me when he went off on his thing about women and that souls reincarnated as only one sex.

(J) No, that’s not so and I think switching sex has a lot to do with homosexuality.

(L) Yes.

(T) But I do think that a soul has a tendency to be more of one than the other.
A: No.

Q: (L) I think it ends up being balanced.
A: It is all just lessons.

Q: (J) Does the human state of sexuality, such as homosexuality, have something to do with changing sexes from one lifetime to another?
A: Sometimes.

Q: (L) Of all the modes of sexual expression, which one is more likely to advance one to 4th density more rapidly?
A: Total celibacy.

Q: (D) Well then I’m okay! [laughter] (V) Can you explain why total celibacy?
A: Because you are then “letting go” of the cravings for physicality.

Q: (T) It is a 3rd density act which entices you to 3rd density.

(L) Okay, now, what is the second most likely for advancement? [laughter]

(D) We have me taken care of, now we’re going to get you taken care of!

(J) In order of importance... [laughter]
A: Does it matter?

Q: (D) It does to Laura, would you please answer?

(L) I suppose that everyone should get to the point that they would simply desire to be totally celibate and totally let go of all physical things and so forth, but, we have left to us, at this point, heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality and multisexuality [laughter]

(D) We also have the ability to take pleasure in our physical bodies in those forms of sexuality. We have the ability to have pleasure in the flesh and they can’t. And, what I have read, is that they envy that.

(L) Is that true, that you envy our physicality?
A: No. Not in the least!

Q: (L) I have read that when you are at the higher spiritual levels that you can do a spiritual merge which is better than orgasm. Is that true?
A: Why do you need orgasm of any kind?

Q: (L) Well, it does seem to be like one of the penultimate experiences of physicality.

(T) That’s exactly it... it’s physicality...

(L) If that is so, isn’t everything that exists in the physical, 3rd density world, in some way a reflection of experiences or states of being on higher realms?
A: 3rd density as you experience it is an illusion you have been fed to continue your imprisonment therein.

Q: (L) So, in other words, there is no cosmic orgasm that keeps the worlds in existence as exemplified by the eternally copulating Vishnu and Shiva?
A: That is Bull! [laughter]

Q: (L) Well, they teach this stuff in the Eastern religions and they even have the idols sculpted in this posture...
A: That is a rationalization to continue the illusion.

Q: (L) So, in other words, the orgasmic experience is quite literally a lure to keep us...

(D) Controlled...

(T) And in the third level...

(L) Is that true?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Let’s go back to a question I asked in another session on this same subject: what happens to our energy at the point of orgasm? Where does that energy go?
A: Drains to 4th level STS.

Q: (T) Is this a manifestation of the Lizards feeding off of us?
A: STSers there retrieve it.

Q: (T) So, orgasm is a 3rd density manifestation of the 4th density consumption of 3rd density energy?
A: One of their methods.

Q: (D) In “Bringers of the Dawn” it talks about sex and it says that it is an expression of love and so forth and that you should not have sex with someone who does not really love you.
A: Love is all that is needed.

Q: (L) If two individuals, as an expression of true love at higher levels, desire to express this love in a physical way, is it possible to channel the energy in a positive way without feeding the 4th level STS guys?
A: Nope.

Q: (L) In other words, no matter what you do, how you think, or whatever, that’s where it goes?
A: Sex is a physical craving.

Q: (V) So, when the big transition comes, let me assume, anybody who is having sex at the time or has any kind of sexual relationships around that time is not going to transition because of that?

(L) I don’t think so...

(V) Well, I just want to get this clear. Is that true?
A: No. Transition is the “Millenium.” A thousand years is the 3rd level

Q: (L) So, for a thousand years we will be living as physical beings in 4th density... so to speak... making this transition during this period... and, by the time it is over we will have done away with our physical appetites?
A: Close. Some will be there at the beginning, others will need more “time.”

Q: (T) So, when we are on the 4th density, we are still in the physical, and we will still be consuming, will we then be consuming that energy from 3rd density, the orgasmic energy, or something like that?
A: Some.

Q: (D) Even if we are STO?
A: Not if completely STO.

Q: (D) Then how do we get energy.... we get energy from each other. Which is more powerful... the service... well we have to be service to others...
(L) That is because STO multiplies and grows... STS just fragments, segregates, and gets smaller and smaller...

(J) The law of diminishing returns.

(D) We can access or receive other’s energies as we give our own?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Well, then, that is where Service to Others is Service to Self.

(L) Any last messages? I feel a lot of changing going on here. Is there anything for any of us in the way of guidance?
A: Only if requested specifically.

Q: (D) Am I contacting you when I channel at home?
A: Yes but be careful of corrupting influences. Soulsearch, T__.

Q: (T) I’ve been soul searching and soul surfing, too! Is Keen Industries going to do anything with me?
A: Wait and see.

Q: (T) Will I be able to contact you?
A: Here.

End of Session


Back to Contents



January 10, 1995

Freddie and Laura

Q: (L) Hello. I wonder if they will show up.
A: We always show up.

Q: (L) Thank you very much. I have some pretty serious questions I want to ask tonight and this will be a penetrating session, so please be patient with me even if I do ask questions that are not quite in line.
A: Okay but such sessions drain you physically, thus must be kept short.

Q: (L) Okay, it will be short. I just have a few questions. The first question is: my doctor sent me to a chiropractor. This chiropractor does not adjust me like any chiropractor I have ever been to. In fact, I feel that he is making me worse.
A: Go to another.

Q: (L) Is this, in fact, some sort of a scam?
A: Money is only concern there. Not your welfare.

Q: (L) Okay, could you, at this point, access the names of chiropractors in our area and give me a recommendation... should I go to Dallas Hancock? It’s an awful long drive to make after adjustments.
A: That must be up to you. McGeehan.

Q: (L) I have here a diagram of my cellar and I am going to put it on the board and I would like you to please, locate it on this diagram?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) [Places diagram on table; planchette indicates location.] Is that the spot right there? [puts finger on spot.]
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Okay, thank you very much.
A: More than one place.

Q: (L) Oh, well sorry. [places diagram back on table; planchette moves and indicates location.] Okay, this sector here? Any other places? [planchette indicates 3rd place.]
A: Across steps underneath.

Q: (L) Is that all of it, now?
A: Maybe. Eccentric former owner died before he could retrieve.

Q: (L) What year was this put there?
A: Between 1933 and 1945.

Q: (L) On this one spot where I have my finger, how deep must we dig?
A: Near surface.

Q: (L) And this spot that goes under the steps?
A: Deeper.

Q: (L) So, he dug the hole and buried stuff and then he built the cellar and built the stairs on top of it, is that it? About how deep is this going to be?
A: Discover, but be careful of shifting sands.

Q: (L) I bet he dug the cellar and put it in to cover up his activities. What was this guy up to other than digging this cellar?
A: Seek records at city hall.

Q: (L) Do we have a well, a usable well, on our property?
A: Useable for what?

Q: (L) For drinking water.
A: It is 260 feet to good drinking water. To get crystalline water.

Q: (L) Is there a well here that would still pump water even if not for drinking?
A: Iron high.

Q: (L) Is there a pipe in the ground on this property that was formerly used as a well that could still be used?
A: Yes. Iron is too high for drinking.

Q: (L) Now, I am sure you are aware of how V__ is feeling. I think she took offense at the fact that you used the word “Bullshit” the other night...
A: V__ should talk!! Mirth! Word is used commonly by your people.

Q: (L) Well, I know that and I wasn’t offended. I didn’t say anything. Some words are offensive to me and I don’t use them. She was also upset because you guys would not tell me about the Om 4th density resident that was in my daughter’s room. Is Om an abbreviation for a type of being?
A: No, it is full word.

Q: (L) What is an Om being for the benefit of the whole world which waits breathlessly to discover the nature of this type of being?
A: Poltergeist type being.

Q: (L) Was that Om being brought in because of the dimensional overlap or is it strictly related to my daughter?
A: Former mostly.

Q: (L) So poltergeist type beings can enter our density through these dimensional overlaps?
A: Sure.

Q: (L) V__ is talking about dropping out of the group because she says it is “no longer personal.” I would like to know what she really means by this?
A: The answers conflict with her personal desires and expectations.

Q: (L) Well, I had the feeling from the beginning that V__ was not capable of the type of objectivity needed to deal with absolutes. And then, every once in a while I would think that her dedication and determination would carry her far. But, apparently she is only dedicated and determined when it satisfies her own point of view. At times I was very sympathetic toward her struggle and then at other times I would get very agitated toward her because I don’t suffer fools gladly. I expect that you guys are a lot more patient than I am. As things are at this moment, what are the chances she will come back to the group?
A: Open.

Q: (L) I didn’t think you would tell me that one. Now, I have some articles in this magazine here: This is Lyssa Royal and she has “channeled for thousands around the globe since 1985. Her books and magazine articles are published in six languages worldwide. Etc., etc.,” She writes here: “The human consciousness is roughly divided into three different areas for the sake of this illustration: the conscious mind, the subconscious mind and the unconscious mind.” Now, are these labels generally correct?
A: Roughly.

Q: (L) She says: “The unconscious mind is a link to your greater self, it is also used as a wasteland where scary, dark things are stored that you really don’t want to bring up.” Is this a fairly accurate statement?
A: Semi-accurate.

Q: (L) Is there anything you can say to make the statement more accurate?
A: The unconscious mind is also a conduit for connecting with the higher self, other selves, and the universal mind.

Q: (L) Lyssa also says: “When you are a child and have a traumatic event, the subconscious not only finds a way to immediately process the information and store it, but also to protect you from further fragmentation. It must seek to create a balance.” So, she says, the “very intense raw energy that is generated from trauma gets stuffed into the unconscious mind.” Is this true?
A: Close enough.

Q: (L) She then goes on to say: “When an extraterrestrial looks at us, we seem like multiple personality cases to them because of our mind divisions.” Is this true?
A: Irrelevant.

Q: (L) Why is that irrelevant? Is it because when a higher density being looks at us they know what they are looking at?
A: Yes. They know and understand the separations of your minds quite precisely. That would be like saying “when a human looks at a rodent, they notice that they are excessively furry.”

Q: (L) She goes on to say: “The ET often does not know how to communicate with a fragmented human. Sometimes they fly their ships by and few people may see them, but the greater percentage do not see them as that data gets sucked into the subconscious and the triage occurs.” She means triage in the sense of the mind being so flabbergasted that it immediately shunts information into the unconscious. Is this true, that ET’s are having problems communicating with us because we are the one’s blocking contact?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is it true that some people may not see ET’s or UFO’s because they block it from their own minds?
A: This can happen or the blockage may be inspired by the alien.

Q: (L) Now, she says: “For the most part, the average person in society does not know how to interpret telepathic contact...
(Lyssa’s alien talking) in the moment you start perceiving us reality starts shifting because, remember, you are one frequency and we are another.” Is this true?
A: It is irrelevant.

Q: (L) Why is that irrelevant?
A: This is not an obstacle, as suggested by this statement.

Q: (L) Anyway, the article goes on: “So an ET walks up to you in your backyard and for a fragment of a moment you may perceive us. But what commonly happens is that the human will suddenly shut down usually by becoming very sleepy and falling into a sleep or type of trance state such as one that is produced by alpha or theta brain waves.” Is this true? When a person sees an ET do they just turn off from the shock? Is this why most ET contact is not remembered?
A: It can happen but does not usually.

Q: (L) It says that when you start clearing out the stuff in your subconscious mind that the first layer that comes out of the subconscious is simply the top layer of priorities that were given to your subconscious mind to store and process. For the most part the first layer is not scary. It represents procrastinated perceptions that are waiting for processing by the conscious mind... then you start peeling off more layers through hypnosis or meditation and then...
A: We do not wish to further critique this as we can give all relevant and related information when needed. You are “comparing notes” which is fine if in moderation, but remember, separated sources are subject to variable corruption.

Q: (L) What is a separated source?
A: That which is separated from yours.

Q: (L) Somebody different from us? Okay, let me work on this. Our source is you, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, the source this person is getting her information from is separated from you?
A: From you, thus unverifiable.

Q: (L) Well, I don’t exactly get what you mean. The whole point of this article is to say that ET’s who abduct people are here to help us evolve and that it is only us, if we have dark and dirty unconscious minds, who perceive them as negative.
A: Wrong, you do not need “help” evolving, nor does anything else.

Q: (L) Well, the thing that concerns me about this particular point of view is that a lot of people are using this to rationalize seeing the ET’s and the abductions... can I read you just a little more?
A: Overall gist is enough for us.

Q: (L) This woman here, Dorothy Ann claims she channels dolphins and whales. Dolphins and whales are telling her that they are here to keep frequencies and to awaken energy centers on the earth, and that they are very high level beings, for eons they have kept the electromagnetic grids in the oceans, they follow the old paths etc. The grids are now in the process of being reset and the whales will be instrumental in this change of the vibrational patterns on the planet.
A: No.

Q: (L) The dolphin kingdom has been empowered to communicate more easily with humans; the whales are awakening to their mission of greater contact and communication with other beings...
A: Nonsense.

Q: (L) So, I don’t really need to go on because all of this is nonsense. Now, this guy here who channels this being called Kryon writes an article about the metaphysical Christ. I read this article and really liked it. It made me feel nice and good and pleasant. Well, I’m not even going to ask you because I like him. It says here on another page that the Milky Way galaxy is part of a system of loosely 20 other galaxies. Is this true?
A: Too vague, all systems can be measured thusly if desired.

Q: (L) So that is too arbitrary.
A: Also a system of every conceivable combination.

Q: (L) In any event, it says that all of these universes expand at the rate of 90% of the speed of light. The ultimate central sun of it all is what we vaguely call God.
A: We have already covered these areas and “God” is “Everything,” not a central sun.

Q: (L) Well, he is talking about this 25 thousand year cycle where the earth passes into a photon belt that circles the Pleiadean system, and, when this photon belt hits us it is going to make all kinds of changes and it one of the small cycles, and the harmonic convergence is...
A: Fragmented channel.

Q: (L) This guy is a fragmented channel? Is there such a thing as the harmonic convergence?
A: If you wish to converge harmonically, you may.

Q: (L) So there is no photon belt circling around the Pleiades that hits us every 25,000 years?
A: If this was true, don’t you think we would have informed you by now?

Q: (L) Well, sometimes you don’t inform us of things because we don’t ask the specific questions. I just wanted to check this out. Okay, he is fragmented and I can forget that! Now, next question: As you know, there is some major flooding going on in California right now.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) You didn’t tell us about this, did you?
A: Yes we did. We specifically mentioned weird weather all over.

Q: (L) Okay, I have communicated with this woman, this Marilynne, from the computer net, and she says she wants to move down here. She seems to be a very nice person. Anybody who does Reiki and cans applesauce is okay in my book. Is there anything you could say to her about her desire to move to this area?
A: Good idea!

Q: (L) Is one of the things I am supposed to be doing responding to IrishSir from the network even though he is so negative?
A: Of course, if you only network with those of like mind, what have you accomplished???

Q: (L) Now, our other little friend, SFPro, who says his mother is experiencing a ghost, who she thinks is her deceased husband, is this the case?
A: Maybe. Not crucial information.

Q: (L) Was the advice and information I gave him adequate?
A: Okay.

Q: (L) Should I see a lawyer about my accident?
A: Up to you. We are not here to lead you by the hand, because then you do not learn.

Q: (L) I would say you are right about that. L__ came over and told me that he thought that the information we were getting was quite accurate, based upon independent verification. Was he being sincere in this?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) H__ D__ told me that I was going to meet an older, retired person around the end of the year who was going to be very instrumental in my work. Is this going to happen
A: Wait and see.

Q: (L) Are S__ and N__ going to be helpful?
A: Open.

Q: (L) Any information for either of us here?
A: No.

Q: (L) Well, thank you.
(F) They give you information about yourself when it is necessary to prevent you from falling into a black hole.
Q: (L) Good Night.

End of Session


Back to Contents