Rick Martin: Interesting.
Red Elk: And you can emphasize their! We have, basically, three
types of other beings, three types of thought. Those who are FOR us,
which is just about zero, if not so. Those who are AGAINST us, which
is close, if not very, very close to 100%. And those who IGNORE us.
Hot, cold, lukewarm. Scripture says: ďI would rather you be hot or
cold, than lukewarm.Ē Lukewarm makes a very uncomfortable bath. If
itís hot, you can take a bath, you can cool it to your liking. Cold,
at least you can drink it. But to drink or bathe in lukewarm water
is really difficult. So, in their own ways, they are all against us,
and only for themselves.
Gail Cortright: Wow.
Rick Martin: You talk in your booklet about Lucifer being behind
everything, and the opposition to Lucifer is, of course, part of
Godís Greater Plan anyway, in an effort for everyone to be aware of
how magnificent He is as a being.
Red Elk: Absolutely. We
- this particular planet - is a mousetrap
floating in space, and you and I are the cheese. We are the ones who
will draw all to us. And they are close, I mean close.
Fighting, right now, the war is suckering in every created being
whoís alive today, including different dimensions - not parallel
times, but including dimensions, and times, and planes. Many who
want nothing to do with the war have no choice but to go to war.
These are not spiritual beings Iím speaking of; these are physical
beings. Itís all over us. We smell pretty good to the mice out
there. And thatís exactly why the Creator has allowed everything to
go on as it is. ITíS HIS PLAN.
And none of them, absolutely none, except for the few who I get in
contact with - full-blood Lizards, half-breeds, that type of
thing - none of these people give one thought to anything but
themselves. They, in their own way, right, and mind, believe that.
They donít give any thought to ever being created, to their
ďoriginalĒ Adam and Eve, their original Sasquatch of their planet.
They just plain donít have Him (which has no sex) in their mind at
all. Itís their culture. Itís accepted. We are who we are.
And the vast majority feel that they are the
BIG G, God. And in so
doing, they can do anything they want. If they want to do bad,
theyíre God, they can do it. If they want to do good, they can do
it. But the fact is, very few, Iím talking just 3, 4, or maybe 10
people on this planet are aware that they are not God, therefore are
not Lucifer, and therefore have no right to do to others, just no
right. And, well, the rest feel otherwise.
And my job is to make the others, all others, not just people of our
planet, but all others, aware that there is something far bigger
than them, and that they, in turn, are being hoodwinked,
stealthfully used by someone they donít believe exists either. They
think they are God, they are Lucifer - in fact, they are not either.
And the true Lucifer is using them, and making them feel like they
Gail Cortright: Right.
Red Elk: So the fact is, itís not them against us, itís Lucifer
against the Creator. Do you understand? But we happen to be the
physical ones who are getting zapped.
Rick Martin: Caught in the middle.
Red Elk: Yeah. But what a wonderful middle it is for this planet.
All the people who will die - look at the end result of the millions
who, beyond our planet, who will finally see the truth. There is ONE
CREATOR! Bring them back to their original roots that they had, eons
ago, but now forgotten. And it is our sacrifice for the Creator, to
be the cheese in the mousetrap, willing or unwilling. And what is
death? Itís a continuation of life, period.
So, itís going to be kind-of a hurtful way to die for many people,
but it is anyway. Some people get tortured to death, some people get
run over by a truck or a car and spend days dying, but we all die.
We donít have to, but we all die. Death is nothing. Getting there
can be a pain. Death is a piece of cake. Iíve been there, done that.
Iíve got 3 more trips to go. No problem.
As far as Iím concerned, Heaven
- ho, wow, what a place that is! I
never go there, Iím always taken there. Heaven, to me, is a great
place to visit, but Iíve got a job to do and I donít want to stay.
Gail Cortright: So thatís not just a state of mind?
Red Elk: Oh, no, no, no. You ought to see the walls in
unbelievable. They are huge, glasslike - I could not even venture how
thick between one glass pane and the other one behind it. I have no
idea. But itís not an inch; Iím talking feet or yards. And its
pastel marble, and itís like somebody blowing smoke between glass
panes, and all this color, these beautiful pastel blues and pinks
and golds; oh, itís just beautiful. And thatís what the walls are
like. And you touch them and theyíre warm. Theyíre not hot, theyíre
not cold; its just fantastic. A nice place to visit - and for anybody
who worries about it, shoot, donít worry.
Red Elk: The AIR, the air, I think, is the most unbelievable part of
all of the Heavens. The air is GOD HIMSELF - the awareness, the love,
the majesty. You breathe God!
Maybe you two are old enough to remember, Grandma would wash windows
with newspapers and vinegar. When she got done, they squeaked, and
it was a prism of sunshine coming through, thousands of clean glass
particles. Thatís what the air is like, and you breathe it. Itís a
ďheavyĒ place to go to, really cool.
Gail Cortright: I bet.
Rick Martin: Wouldnít mind a vacation there.
Red Elk: Wouldnít mind a vacation?
Rick Martin: Wouldnít mind a vacation there.
Red Elk: Some people get that vacation, then come back and they are
not afraid of dying. I never was, in the first place. But Iíve spent
my time up there, and came back. And I know that I will do 3 more
times. But the fourth time, Iím not coming back. Iím done here.
But, people have asked me: ďIf youíve really been there, why did you
come back?Ē Like they donít believe me. Iíve got a job to do!
Rick Martin: Yeah, your job is not done.
Red Elk: Nope. And Iím very pleased with my job. Iím not going to be
too happy with whatís going to happen during it, to me personally,
but me be darned. I am no one. I am here for others. I just happened
to be a by-product. Itís something that Inner Heyokas know. No, this
is not a matter of blowing myself up, at all. Iím just making a
Rick Martin: Over the last number of years there are a fair number
of so-called New Age authors and channels who have either made the
statement that Lucifer is no longer on the planet, or heís been
bound, or heís not really an active force anymore. And I think itís
really a disservice to man for people to be making those kinds of
statements when he is very much a real force, and he is very much in
Red Elk: Well, again, what is going on with people who say that? It
is Lucifer trying to convince any who will listen that that is a
fact; therefore theyíre open to be ďgodsĒ within their own minds,
and do whatever they want. Itís all deception.
Gail/Rick: Thatís right.
Red Elk: Lucifer is a wonderful being. Iíve seen him, personally.
Iíve faced him, personally. And heís not red, with a long tail and
horns! But nevertheless - he is a Master of deception, a Master of
Rick Martin: Heís the best.
Red Elk: Oh, there is nothing better. If you say
Lucifer is all bad,
youíre wrong. Heís a good example of whatís all bad! The Creator,
what a kick, I love the way the Creator works. Lucifer canít get
anywhere except by conning you.
People say: ďOh, the devil made me do it.Ē Or ďThe devilís on my
No, not if they see it right. There is no bad, it is only how you
comprehend it and look at it. Iím not saying that my grandchild
being tortured and raped is not a bad event. But I look at it even
different beyond that: It is simply a test to watch if you can grow
past the rock, pebble, or mountain put in your spiritual path to
There is no bad. It is only how you look at bad. The Creator allows
these things to happen, hoping that you will realize that it is a
rock, a pebble, or mountain in your path, and that you will overcome
it, and get stronger in love, His Love, true love, purity love, and
just keep going up that path.
He wants you to learn to go around, over, or under that large
boulder thatís been placed there by Lucifer. In short, Heís using
Lucifer, and Luciferís conning you, thinking that itís Him doing it,
as Lucifer; and it is, but youíre supposed to be conned into
thinking that you cannot surmount that stone, which you CAN! Heís
conned you into thinking that you canít.
And Iíll guarantee you: a man who lays down gets up a lot slower
than a man who falls down. And we all fall, we all fail. But the guy
who falls down, gets up quick, and he starts attacking that stone.
In time, in time, as you grow, that rock will only make you falter,
as you walk through it. You no longer have to go around it, above
it, or under it. You grow so spiritually strong, it just holds you
there for a few moments. And you just say: ďAh, come on, this is
just an illusion; this is meant to slow me down from growing
spiritually, to Dad, and in Dad.Ē And Iím just going to have to
bypass it. Iím going to bypass it this time by walking through it!
And when you get to that stage in your life, in your spiritual
growth, boy, I tell you, itís fun. And you get bigger and bigger
rocks thrown there.
Rick Martin: (Laughter)
Red Elk: Yeah, but it makes you grow stronger and stronger and
stronger. And then the world looks at you and says: ďHow could you
laugh at that terrible thing that happened to you?Ē
ďAh, shoot, piece of cake.Ē You understand what I mean?
Rick Martin: Yes.
Red Elk: There is no bad, brother, none whatsoever. Itís only how
you look at it. Iím not saying things are not horrible and wonít
happen, or donít happen; they do. But it is meant for you to grow,
Gail Cortright: Right.
Rick Martin: Letís talk about the levels under our feet.
Red Elk: Mr. Bell did not give me the opportunity to explain it all,
and I canít blame him, entirely. I misunderstood one of his
questions, but nevertheless, thereís no accidents, including getting
off the track many times on Mr. Bellís show; thereís no accidents. I
gave a lot of things out, unfinished.
So many came back to me in written notes: ďWhatís this? Finish it
So, Iím still writing letters. (Laughter) Gosh, am I writing
letters, answering letters.
But, nevertheless, people have gotten the impression there is a
ball, free floating inside a ball, free floating inside a ball, free
floating inside a ball, and on and on. This is not the case.
The whole Earth, from its lava center, to our literal top here,
number 6, is solid, except for HUGE, HUGE CAVERNS, caverns that are
two, three hundred miles wide, and many, many times that long. Just
like we have caves, big ones, up here [in Washington state], there
are caves in the next level down, number 5. That is the 5th
And mankind, here on this surface, if they hit the right spot, and
could go deep enough, they would hit a big air pocket and drop 2-3
miles before they would start hitting more rock, because theyíve
penetrated a cave. These caves are filled, and deliberately made to
look like what we experience here on the surface of our planet.
And the deeper you go, number 5, there are lots and lots of these
caves. But its not so many that you punch a hole here, there, and
everywhere and youíre hitting nothing but caves.
By the way, their is the illusion of ďmountainsĒ between number 5ís
floor and ceiling. Because of the heat inside, and because of the
air outside, here, that gets down in there, cold and hot, it creates
great clouds. So the people - the few who are there at the moment, and
the many who will return - they see these as clouds. And the sides of
these giant caves, they believe are mountains, the tops of which are
hidden by clouds. In truth, itís not; itís just the top of the cave;
but you canít see that because there are clouds; itís steamy in
there. Do you understand?
Red Elk: The farther down you go, the less and less caves, and the
smaller and smaller. And then you get, literally, right down to
Luciferís realm, where there are very, very few natural caves.
Everything there heís connected cave-to-cave, his own tunnels, and
made his own caves. Do you understand?
Rick Martin: Yes.
Red Elk: Ok. Anything below him is too hot for him, the lava at
level number 1, our planetís center.
Rick Martin: Now, what are these caves that are under
under China, that are like fused glass, smooth caves that go for
hundreds, perhaps thousands of miles?
Red Elk: There is no ďperhapsĒ.
I am a caretaker of the tunnels.
Rick Martin: Who made those?
Red Elk: Some are very natural. Some, very few, but some were made
by Lucifer as he dug in through our surface to find the heat-range
And then again, some of them are on the number 5, and number 4
planetary levels [beneath the Earthís surface, the surface being
number 6 ]. Now, understand, when I speak of number 5 and number 4,
and on down, Iím speaking of solid earth with caves. All right?
They were made by the so-called gods, who originally came down to
DNA us. That was two alliances. One, we call the
were giants, 20-26 feet tall giants, who were in alliance with the
ones who we call the Lizard people. They made an alliance to come to
this planet to mine gold, and other minerals.
The Lizards, liking it hot, because they are from a series of three
planets that are nothing but sand - three dwarf suns that are so hot
it would blind them within a minute. They dug down. They, literally,
live underground, in beautiful (to them) cities and towns, connected
by tunnels and stuff, but underground on those planets.
They were not comfortable up here on the
# 6 level of Earthís
surface - too cold, too windy. It was just not their comfort zone.
So they said: ďLook, weíll take part of those [ primitive ] humans
of this planet, and weíll go underground and weíll just mine x
number of miles below. Youíre used to this up here, you take x
amount [of primitive humans for slave labor], and you do it up
here.Ē And thatís how the alliance was made.
The alliance also said that there would be a people untouched by
either, to evolve naturally. That has happened, and thatís our
Sasquatch, Yeti, Bigfoot, and so forth.
Nevertheless, the Lizards were, and are, extremely cruel
taskmasters. For whatever reason, I have never seen a female Lizard
from below, in my taking past trips or present.
Rick Martin: Yes, I read that in your booklet, pretty interesting.
Red Elk: So what has happened is, they took their quota of human
beings, took them digging tunnels and stuff, going down, took them
in to be miners.
And, in so doing, theyíre quite the sex fiends, these beings, very
sex-minded. They raped men and women alike. Now, these are male
Lizards raping whoever they wanted.
And, these Lizards hardly ever got their slave people any more then
absolutely needed, for drink, let alone food. They were really bad
slave masters, and killing these people off, prematurely, just
through their own cruelty. And, therefore, running out of their
So, they started going up, sneaking up here, and grabbing more
people to take down there.
Meanwhile, our ďgodsĒ up here (not the true God, understand), they
were much more pleasant, much kinder. They used shots and stuff for
their DNA, to make our Sasquatch more handleable, and more to their
need and liking, to do the mining up here. So, they werenít rapists,
They were pretty good people, really, to be honest with you, despite
the agenda. By the way, those people are the ones who, the
Slopeheads, are literally sculpted and are the heads that are on
Nevertheless, there were a number of raids, and it was inexcusable.
The Lizards had broken the alliance many times, and were raiding the
ďno one touches theseĒ group, as well as taking some of our
so-called gods, down.
So, our gods decided: ďThis is enough. Letís face it. These
people have done nothing but lie. And theyíve broken the alliance
many, many times over. So, letís just declare war, and say enoughís
enough. Letís go down and save those human beings that theyíve got
down there, and pull them out, and try and destroy the Lizards, and
get them out of there, and get them off the inner-land.Ē
Well, in so doing they realized that this surface,
the Sun, was way
too bright. There were winds, and stuff like that. These people have
been down there, and bred, and so on and so forth, for many, many,
many, many years. They were not used to sunlight. They were not used
to cold. They were just slaves, digging, and being raped, and eaten
alive - anything that these Lizard s.o.b.s wanted to do, they did.
So, our boys, our gods, went down to the next level, making more
tunnels on the way down, and connected, tunneled between giant
caverns. And in those caverns they created what we have on this
planet, but with a much dimmer Sun.
Actually, I did a misdeed, by accident. Iíve never seen a
there. The Sun is the Moon. At night, it gets darker; in day, it
gets lighter. Itís a fascinating machine, this hovering Sun. And
itís not just in one cavern, itís in all these huge caverns, theyíve
Rick Martin: Now, I donít want to get you off-track. I want to stay
on this track. But I want to remember to ask you about the being
that [Zulu Shaman and Elder] Credo Mutwa referred to as Jabulon, the
leader of the Chitauli, or the Reptilians. Is THAT Lucifer, is that
one and the same?
Red Elk: No, no, no.
Rick Martin: Totally different?
Red Elk: Well, yeah. He thinks heís Top Dog, because he is just like
them, all thinking they are god, they are Lucifer. He just thinks he
is the Top Dog amongst them. But he himself is being used by
Lucifer, who is FULL OF STEALTH.
this Sun, again, in reality, is quite small, being that
itís only two or three miles up. It pulls energy. I looked at it
just within the last, oh, three, four weeks, trying to figure out
what kind of power it has. Itís not nuclear power, and yet itís
forever lasting. The gravity situation, to make it levitate, I have
no idea. But, I have found out that it pulls power in from our
actual Sun, through the Earthís skin and pores.
Rick Martin: Boy, thatís interesting.
Red Elk: Yeah, it is really fascinating.
I am connecting this discussion with certain Earth-healing vortices,
and with a number of pyramids here in the United States, and the
There are certain places you donít dare walk onto, walk directly
onto the top, or be in, with a credit card, or anything. Literally,
the power is so great, that energy going in, and back, and mixing,
to power the Sun that is within that general area of the time cave,
or pyramid, or whatever, it just wipes out your magnetic strip. It
does the same thing with cell phones. New batteries, I mean NEW,
within an hour of putting it in, you turn the battery on, within
under 10 minutes, your battery is drained. It burns film, when you
go to take pictures. Your film comes out just with this orange/red
coloration, like itís been exposed to great heat. You just canít get
good pictures from these spots. You can get good pictures OF these
spots, but not from these spots. But thatís because the gods, with
whatever type of magic - I call it magic, not meaning that,
but - technology they use, have learned to harness our own
power to power these false suns.
Once all of this environment was made, the plains were planted, and
the grasses growing, they built beautiful cities, oh, just
beautiful! The main building of each city is a cross between the
Aztec pyramid and the Giza pyramid. Just beautiful, all stone. The
ones that Iíve been to, if itís granite, itís a white granite.
Sandstone is involved, and another kind. There is a black city, too,
all black, like a black obsidian, just absolutely gorgeous. It
doesnít mean that itís a bad city; thatís the rock that was there
that they could work with. And thereís another city, down under
Mexico - actually, if I can remember correctly, under Mexico City - and
itís just beautiful! And itís much more Aztecian - a gold,
gold-covered, beautiful thing. And these are all over on this # 5
level of the
Inner Earth, just beneath us.
Anyway, once they got everything growing, you know, they had plants
growing, they planted fish in the water, and so on, and so forth.
Rick Martin: Who are we talking about?
Red Elk: Our
gods, up here, preparing to save those who have been
taken below. How they got away with it, without the Lizards knowing,
beats me, but they did.
They got all this going, all this built. Once that was done, they
started drilling down to the next lower level, # 4, and making
tunnels. And in so doing, they also set-up many traps between our
surface and the ceiling, and the cavern sides, that hold up the
caves. They made many, many tunnels, many side tunnels, all traps,
all traps. And the only ones who knew where these traps were, were
the builders themselves, our so-called gods.
Well, they went down and attacked the
Lizards, and did like I told
Mr. Art. They did an excellent number on them. Many, on both sides,
were killed, including human slaves; many were killed. A huge war
went on down there. And the Lizards were beat. And they ran off and
licked their wounds.
We got what we could - I say we, meaning
our gods - we got what we could
and brought them up to the surface of # 5 level [ first level below
Earthís surface], to let them stay 10 generations; however long
those ďgenerationsĒ were, I do not know. It was far longer than what
you and I call a generation now.
This was so they could get used to
that sun, and what little breeze
they created, through many tunnels that they built, and so on, so
that they could safely come up to the surface, the #6 level, and
face an even stronger Sun, and stronger breeze, and so on.
Lizards, over time, licked their wounds and regrouped, and
attacked. And our people, our gods, were hoping they could make it
through 10 generations.
Well, they didnít. They made it through about 8Ĺ, I think, before
the Lizards counter-attacked, driving our human people, as well as
our gods, up to this #6 surface. Your Navajo,
Arapaho, so on, they
are really the miners from down there - short stocky bodies, strong
legs, strong arms. They have yet to evolve into a more typical # 6
surface dweller [the Earthís surface upon which we live]; but
theyíre doing good though.
Rick Martin: So when they
talk about coming up through the Sipapu, and coming up from the
Red Elk: They know what theyíre talking about! Listen to them.
And they [the Native Americans] are not the only ones. Others have
come up, in Africa, and all different continents. Some of our
Africans claim they came from above, now, and thatís true. Some
claim they came from below, up, and thatís true. Some of them donít
know where they came from, and thatís true, because they were
created and always stayed here on # 6 level.
Lizards themselves made many tunnels, not only
through the drilling process, but preparing to counter-attack.
Rick Martin: Now, were the Lizards independents? Or, were they just
associates of Lucifer?
Red Elk: They didnít know
Lucifer existed. Do you understand that?
Get that in your head.
Rick Martin: Totally independent.
Red Elk: Totally believing they are god. They can do anything they
want, godly or ungodly. They donít even have a name for God, or a
name for Lucifer. They have their own name. They are ALL - so they
think - just a big con job. But nevertheless, they, in preparing to
attack the # 5 level, also made tunnels, with many traps.
So the great chase was on. They came up and attacked ďourĒ guys on #
5, who were watching the kids grow (the rescued ones, for the 10
generations), and they did a number on our guys.
So, our guys escaped with a number of the human beings who they had
rescued; many, many others never made it. They were all killed. And
they emerged, through certain areas across our continents, and
thatís where the stories ďwe came from Inner EarthĒ came from. They
What happened to our gods, our Slopeheads? It really is something I
I know that the Lizards have remained. But the
gods, basically, have
left. And by the way, I think Iíve got a rather good idea what they
did. They went to the dimension that was not in our dimension, where
this Earth is. They were from another dimension, and they went home.
Rick Martin: Letís continue to talk about the layers. I know you got
so side-tracked on Art Bell. If you have more to say about the
layers under our feet, letís do that now.
Red Elk: I donít think there is much more to say about it. They are
not ďballs within ballsĒ. They are all connected.
The lower you go, the less and less caves, until they are almost
totally non-existent. And thatís where Lucifer has taken over and
made what I like to call their ďglass wallĒ - caves and tunnels and
stuff - quite a machinery that they work with. This is kind-of odd to
say that because the Christian world thinking weíre dealing with all
spirit. Well, yes and no. Theyíve learned to appear in spirit. I do
that. But, nevertheless, they are very technical,
physical-technical, and they have forever life.
Rick Martin: How would you describe
Lucifer, if you were to do that?
Red Elk: Looks?
Rick Martin: Yes.
Red Elk: Oh - beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Rick Martin: Human?
Red Elk: No, angel; human-looking, but an angel. Not demonic, and to
be honest with you - no hair on his body, none; no sexual organs,
none; thereís nothing there. Heís got the perfect body, the PERFECT
body - tonal muscles, stomach, just perfect; the guy is perfect. Yet
so ďblackĒ [spiritually dark] that in the black where I was facing
him, I literally hit my nose with my hand, trying to see if I could
see my hand. And yet, when he appeared in that blackness, it was
like there was a dim light on; no problem to see. And so
unbelievably beautiful you couldnít believe it. But, heís like
someone who is so charismatic, so well liked, who comes to a party,
the kind of man or woman who, when he/she opens the door and enters,
everybodyís head turns. You understand?
Rick Martin: Yes, I do.
Red Elk: And that one person, man or woman, looks over the party of
these people and sees somebody who they canít stand, and their face
instantly turns to this HATE. There is hate on the face of Lucifer.
Absolutely beautiful, but the most ugly thing that you can imagine.
Rick Martin: A large being?
Red Elk: Oh yeah, about 22 feet. No tail, no horns, no eyebrows, no
pointy ears. Beautiful being. Absolutely - itís hard for me to say
this, being male - gorgeous.
Rick Martin: This will seem like a sidetrack, but I have a note here
to myself to ask you about Planet X or Nibiru. Who are those beings,
Red Elk: You know, I donít know who
the Anunnaki are. I have a very
strong feeling - although I cannot say I know - but I have a very strong
feeling they are a race of beings, slaves, who were brought here by
another race, not of the two of the Alliance, from another planet.
And were themselves used, on this planet, in a slave form. But they,
very definitely, are not of this planet. Where they went, I know
not, other than taken-off and taken to wherever, to another planet.
Kind-of traveling slaves.
Planet X, Iím not sure what youíre referring to. Are you
referring to the one that makes the great oval, that comes by every
2300 or 3200 years, or something.
Rick Martin: Yes, every 3600 years.
Red Elk: Oh, yes, and itís here, itís here. Itís within their shipsí
range, and has been now for, at the very least, three years, five, I
think. These are the Gargoyle race. This is where our
legends come from, our devils. Thatís these beings.
They donít have the technology - they donít have the need, really
go through worm holes, or whatnot, to get to one place or another.
They are on their own spaceship, a planet, that makes a great oval
course. And they harvest the planets as they go by. WE are the
harvest, the human beings. And they pluck us like you and I would go
out and pluck apples off a tree. But they always leave enough people
to re-seed the Earth.
Rick Martin: Well, talking about the harvest, letís talk about the
False Rapture vs. the Real Rapture.
Red Elk: Ok. Now, this is going to be really hard for the so-called
Christian world to comprehend, unless theyíve got some dang brains.
Rick Martin: Thatís fine. Just speak truthfully, thatís all we care
Red Elk: Thatís right. I want them to check it out for themselves.
Scripture says - this is God saying - ďI am the same today, yesterday,
and tomorrow.Ē And thatís His Word. He does not lie.
So, He IS the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. He will not
change. And people have often said, look at the Jews in the
Testament, that they are examples, if you follow God, what will
happen; if you get out of His step, what will happen. See, the city
did that, and they got attacked by that city, and blah, blah, blah,
and they leave it go there.
But the Old Testament not only was using that as an example for
people 3, 4, 5 hundred years later to look back on, it was there for
today to look back on. Take Nineveh for example. God told
ďYou go there and tell them Iím going to destroy them in three
And Jonas didnít want to. They were the
Lizards of the day. They
were pretty bad guys. Not real Lizards, but pretty bad people. And
he didnít want to. He defied God and ended up in a serpentís belly,
whether it was a giant guppy, a whale, or whatnot, never mind. Why
people say a whale, when the Bible doesnít say that at all, I donít
know. Itís an example of starting false rumors.
But, anyway, he ended up there, spit out on the shore in front of
the city of Nineveh, and decided, you know: ďIíve been living a
rough life trying to run from God; I better do what He told me.Ē
So, he went into the city, and danged if they did not repent! Turn
away from sin - thatís the word repent. Thatís what it means. And that
really ticked-off Jonas, and he went up on the hillside and pouted.
He wanted them to get theirs.
Now, God did not destroy them in 3 days. He said He was going to.
And yet, because they turned their hearts back to their Creator, He
would not destroy them. They got destroyed, just like He said, but
it was left to their children, who walked away. Nineveh was an
example, for the people, if you do what God tells you, everything
will be cake and honey; if not, youíve got trouble.
So, people have looked at that and used that as an example. But, not
thinking at all that it is we who are NOW Nineveh, the planet Earth!
And if we turn away from sin, if we repent, i.e., if we turn away
from sin and go back to God, then we, the planet Earth and all
people on it, will forego Armageddon at this time. It will be put
off for our children, or our childrenís children - whoever decides to
slide back in, as a world generation, to go their own way.
Nineveh, the city of the Old Testament, repented and was
saved, so too can this world repent and be saved. We, Earth, is
ďI am the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.Ē
And in that, He warned the Jews, if you do what I tell you to do, if
you do this, this, and this, everything will be cake and honey. But,
if you do this, this, and this, then you will be taken into
captivity, and those who captured them could do with them as they
That always happened. The Jews never really paid too much attention.
In time, they all slop-shoot down the hill. Then, next thing you
know, theyíve got armies attacking them.
And then they start crying ďOh God!Ē
And He says ďToo late dude, you know.Ē
Like you grabbing a little kid who youíve warned and warned and
warned. Finally, it comes to it, and she or he are screaming, as
youíre getting ready to put them over your knee.
ďIím sorry, Iím sorry.Ē Too late.
So what happened? He was always, and will always, and is always a
being of His own Word. He does not lie!
What the future holds is, this planet, under the guise of
will have to go through all kinds of spankings, because we paid no
attention. But, in the Old Testament there were many lands that
captives could be taken to - always leaving a remnant of Jews in
Jerusalem, by the way, a very small remnant. But, nevertheless, He
was true to His Word. And they were taken into captivity.
Today, we have no single country which is not as good, or better, or
as bad, or worse, than any other country. We will be taken into
captivity, except it will not be of this land. It will be onto other
planets, other lands; other beings will be the bad guys. Other
beings from other planets will be the bad guys who come to us and
take us off. THE FIRST RAPTURE IS FALSE!
All these towers put up across our country, and I imagine other
countries, are not just for microwaves - theyíre for mind control,
mass mind control! As well, there are some super-duper towers that
can instill in us such thoughts as: ďOh, Christ is coming, Christ is
coming!Ē - the joy, and everything else. And people will run out of
their houses, stop their cars, get outside, climb their rooftops, do
everything that the Bible says - emotionally controlled through these
And then the cargo ships will take them up, physically. People will
see them rising into the heavens - yelling ďHallelujah!Ē - into
captivity, into slavery, sex toys, and alive-eaten food. Iím not
talking all of the masses; Iím talking about those who should be the
salt of the Earth, the so-called Christian believers.
majority of Christian believers will die up there!
Most of those left behind are those who cannot get outside
- in the
hospitals, and Christians who are in prisons, or down digging mines,
whatever; they canít get up there in time for this Rapture. They
will be the remnant left behind, and in so doing, they will have,
maybe, even a harder life than the slaves taken up, because we will
be hunted, if we are down here. Bounties will be on our heads. They
will take a gutted Christian body, and tie it across the hood of a
car, running through town with the horn blaring: ďLook what I got! I
got my Ďdeerí!Ē - paid for by bounty. Iím not saying that going up is
going to be easy, but I am saying that staying down here isnít going
to be any easier.
Again: ďI am the same today, yesterday, and tomorrow. I do not lie.Ē
What the Christians are doing are changing, or not reading, what the
Scriptures actually say. They donít see two Raptures. They got their
dang butts up in the air, making smiley faces: theyíre gonnaí get
their rears saved. Ah, yes, they sure are!
But, we all have to die, donít we?
If they would simply read Scriptures, they would find out what
Elk is saying is totally true. If they want to change the
Scriptures, then what they have to say, want to believe in, thatís
But Iím not changing Scriptures. Iím telling you
what the Scriptures
actually say. Check it for yourself. Donít be so dang lazy, so dang
stupid, that you take your denominationís ideas - that are false in
many cases, or lax in many more cases - and just accept them as true.
Youíre accepting a MANíS teaching, a manís interpretation!
Believe me, the Creator can speak for Himself, and needs no
interpretation. All He needs is somebody whoís got guts enough to
sit down, disregard what they have absorbed over the years, and read
it for themselves. Heíll talk to them, if theyíre honest about it.
Rick Martin: I have had the overwhelming feeling that there is
something coming up of great magnitude, and that at some point there
will be a separation of some kind. In feeling that, or in thinking
that, am I perceiving this False Rapture as the initial separation?
Red Elk: You could be, and you might not be, because I donít know
what time frame you are sensing.
Rick Martin: Iím sensing something major happening within the next
brief time. Some kind of major event.
Red Elk: Let me tell you this: I doubt that what youíve just asked
is it; I really doubt it.
Number one: there is going to - right now, starting with this magazine
and a few things that have gone on - there is going to be a tremendous
ďtearing awayĒ from the churches, any denomination, including the
religions of the world.
There will be some who finally ďget itĒ, and the rest who want to
live in tradition. There will be a great shifting, a great
ripping-way of purity from taintedness.
Most people love their
taintedness. If the beliefs are good enough
for their mom and dad, and grandma and grandpa, itís good enough for
But there is a great hunger out there today - and boy, am I a witness
to that with these letters! [Heís referring to the avalanche of mail
after his session on the Art Bell program.] Thereís a great hunger
to know what real truth is. And I get this hunger from every kind of
people you can imagine - atheists, voodooists, Buddhists, Christians,
Muslims, wiccans - all different kinds of believers. There are none
totally satisfied with what they hope is the truth. They feel there
is more truth than what they are learning and receiving - and indeed,
You know, the word salvation - the Christians have got it right and
wrong. Salvation: they believe that by asking the Pale One, Christ,
into their life, they will be saved. This is true, but itís not the
Salvation starts the minute - if youíre serious, understand, not just
trying to save your rear, but serious - salvation starts the instant
Christ comes into you. Salvation, although you will not find it in a
concordance [reference book of biblical passages], to my knowledge,
you wonít find it in the Bible, I know that, but you will find it
true in your own heart.
Salvation starts instantly. And the word in your own heart, if
youíre serious about seeking salvation, seeking help, you will find
that the word salvation means the ability to be a free thinker.
Christ said: ďIíve come to give life, and give it abundantly.Ē Most
people think abundance means money. And this is a falsehood.
Gail Cortright: Right.
Red Elk: I am pretty broke. And yet, I have an abundant life. I get
to talk WITH horses, with trees, with people, with planetary people
from other places. I am rich in spirit. And yet, I am so poor
because thereís got to be a lot more than I know. My gosh, Iíve got
just over $2 in my pocket, and yes, Iíd like to have over $2,000 in
my pocket, but nevertheless, that doesnít stop me from going out and
seeing God in all things, and being aware that all things are aware
of One Creator. And getting to share my love of Him, with their love
of Him, be it a limb, a leaf, a raindrop, whatever.
And boy, you talk about abundant life! You people are stuck running
around talking to each other, and thereís a lot more out there with
a lot more love than another man or woman, believe me.
Gail Cortright: Yeah, thatís for sure.
Red Elk: Itís very limited.
Rick Martin: Yes. Well, I think that is one of the main problems of
the so-called Christian community - limited thinking.
Red Elk: The main problem with the community called human beings of
Earth is that! Donít limit it to Christians, alone.
It is ALL, including ourselves, you, you, and I. The world of ďcansĒ
and the world of ďcant'sĒ. If you canít do something - the word canít,
is it negative or positive? Is it a negative word or a positive
Rick Martin: Itís a negative word.
Red Elk: It is not. It is a positive. You are positive.
Rick Martin: You are positive that you canít do it. (Laughter)
Red Elk: You understand? There is no negative. And when you can turn
that positive canít, to a positive can, as we in medicine have
learned, you will be able to levitate and go downtown with no gas.
You will be able to shut your eyes, envision where you want to
go - safely, if youíve got half a brain; first check where you want to
go and make sure itís safe to go there - and teleport yourself.
This is all in Scriptures. One person teleported; it is in
Scriptures. Christ walked on water? NO! He actually flew on the
water. This is all in Scriptures. ďThe things Iíve done, you can do
also, even moreso, for I am with you.Ē Peter got out of the boat and
walked on the water, too - until he realized that was a canít.
Rick Martin: (Laughter)
Red Elk: You understand what I mean?
Rick Martin: Yes, I do.
Red Elk: We have such great abilities! We are limited to only three
things; human kind, on any planet, are limited to only three things:
(1) We cannot be the Creator, i.e. God, but we can be Godly; (2) we
cannot be Lucifer - and a misnomer for him is Satan. You say that, and
you mean Lucifer; itís not true.
Satan is a different being, isnít he?
Red Elk: Right, heís the number-two man. But when you say
youíre thinking Lucifer, automatically.
(2) You cannot be
Satan, but you can be satanic; (3) you cannot be
Christ, but you can be Christ-like.
Anything beyond those three that you cannot be, YOU CAN DO! I teach
this. And I demonstrate it, at times.
Just this last week I was talking about
invisibility - as I became
almost totally invisible to the two I was teaching. They could see
right through me, the chair I was sitting in. I didnít want to go
all the way. I gave them enough to let them know that I know what
Iím talking about.
Gail Cortright: (Laughter)
Red Elk: Iíve had people come from, well, one from Florida, two from
Texas, one coming from Alaska, and many within driving range. Iíve
taught them how to actually go into a tree, and afterwards, go and
speak WITH trees, bushes, plants - speak with, not to. And they were
amazed. Some came back crying.
All came back just awed, that the stiff wooden tree they call alive
is not a piece of wood, but a thinking being, that takes steps
slowly, over the centuries; sends up shoots, or sends a part of
itself through a seed in a birdís belly. And as it dies - not the
bird, but the tree - a few feet, or inches, or a mile down the road,
it grows. They take steps. These are people, tree people, bug
people, horse people, four-legged people, feathered people, cloud
people, mountain people.
They donít have a soul like you or me; they donít need it. They do
no wrong. They do have a Heaven.
But this misnomer about animals having souls
- bull - they donít need
it. They are doing right. Do they have the decision to do right or
wrong? Yes, they do. But they donít have a soul that tells them ďyou
are doing wrongĒ or ďyou are doing rightĒ. In general, a lion eating
a man is doing what the lion has been ordered to do - eat, drink, and
Gail Cortright: (Laughter)
Red Elk: Be a part of the ecology.
Gail Cortright: Does that mean that we have a soul because we have
Red Elk: We are the only ones in all Creation, all planets
- any human
of any planet are the only ones who are soul bearers. We are given
the great two gifts:
the gift of self-will, and
(2) the gift to
be as god, but in little g form.
Rick Martin: Co-creator?
Red Elk: No, absolutely not. There is no co-creator. You donít
co-create for the God.
[Editorís note: It appears here that
Red Elk misunderstood the
semantics of Rickís question. Rickís definition of co-creating - as
would be the same definition all of us would agree with - is identical
to the #2 gift to humankind that Red Elk just mentioned above. Those
of you familiar with the spiritual messages long shared within these
pages from Higher Teachers are already well aware of the finer
points which differentiate the ďlittle gĒ from the ďbig GĒ
activities as we grow and evolve in Awareness and Balance.
Perhaps Red Elk is reacting to the arrogant misunderstandings long
circulating around within New Age psychobabble, questions which he
may often need to address in his teaching duties.]
Here, let me tell you a story that will explain this.
A scientist went to God and said: ďGod, we donít need you anymore.Ē
And He said: ďWhat do you mean?Ē
And the scientist says: ďWell, with our technology, weíve learned to
clone people, grow parts and stuff. We donít need you anymore.Ē
And Creator said: ďCan you make man?Ē
And the scientist thought for a little while, and he said: ďWell, we
havenít, but we could make man. Iím pretty sure of it.Ē
And God says: ďAlright, you go and make a man. And when youíve made
that man, you come back to me.Ē
And the scientist said: ďOk.Ē And then turns around, takes a few
steps, reaches down, grabs some dirt in his hand, heads off, and God
says: ďWoah, woah, woah, wait a minute, wait a minute!Ē
And the scientist turns around and says: ďWhat?Ē
And God says: ďGet your own dirt.Ē
Red Elk: Co-creation - my brother, there is nothing that you can
create that has not been created somewhere by the Creator.
We say: ďWe created a car.Ē
He says: ďYouíve realigned the minerals and things needed for the
Gail/Rick: Thatís right.
Red Elk: We say: ďWeíve made a toilet.Ē
He says: ďI made the materials; you just realigned it.Ē
Rick Martin: Letís get back to talking about the Real Rapture versus
the False Rapture.
Red Elk: The True Rapture.
Rick Martin: How will people know the difference?
Red Elk: It is NOT going to come before the troubles.
It will come
probably more towards the end of the troubles, Armageddon. And, at
that time, those few who have not been hunted, and managed to
survive, will be taken up and they WILL KNOW CHRIST IS COMING.
And there will only be, I believe, two left. And those will be the
two - it might be three, I might be mistaken, but Iím pretty sure itís
two - last prophets who give all the world a hard time, all the world,
creating droughts and all kinds of trouble at their beck-and-call.
And they will be feared, mightily, by everybody on this planet,
except each other. All the other Christians - real, true
Christians - are gone, or even those who have gone up in the First
Rapture, thinking themselves Christians, and probably are, theyíre
gone. The only ones left are two people, or three; I canít recall.
And, eventually, they are killed.
TV sets, everything, they throw a huge, huge world party for three
days, day and night, looking at these rotting, ripped bodies, not
disturbed from where they fell. And at the end of that third
day - into the fourth, maybe; Iím not dead sure - they will sit up - cut,
bruised, kicked, ripped. Look at the crowd, the TV sets, the
newspaper men, all the great leaders who have come to drink over
their bodies - and they will be totally alive, just as Christ was, and
they will slowly be taken up into the Heavens. And thatís when all
hell breaks loose. Thatís when Armageddon will be.
Rick Martin: And that will be within our lifetime?
Red Elk: Probably, I donít know. How old are you.
Rick Martin: 49
Red Elk: Probably, if you live a normal lifetime. It might be within
my lifetime. It will definitely be within my daughterís and my
grandchildrenís. I think all of this is going to be within - donít
quote, because Iím never given a time - 25 years is a very safe
over-estimate of when I think this will take place.
Rick Martin: Letís again talk about the
False Rapture, because it
sounds like people should be alert to such a thing. There is a
saying in the Bible, to the effect that even the elect will almost
be fooled, or something like that. Is that referring to the False
Rapture, do you think?
Red Elk: Thatís part of it, but not all of it.
Lucifer in human body, will con so many - that is a major part that
Scripture is speaking of. Itís part of the False Rapture; itís part
of what is actually going to take place; itís part of many, many
The Scripture, we love it - medicine people, good medicine people,
each of us have a minimum of three different Bibles, different
types, King James, etc. I have five; some I know have 7.
All but me will never admit that they are Christian. I mean all of
them but me. And I have no problem because the word Christian means
But when you say Christian, all kinds of red flags fly up, and who
can blame them. The way the Christians are today, itís just a bunch
of traditionalists with their nose in the wrong place. But, a Christ follower does not have that same connotation; no red flags fly up.
Itís easy to call yourself a Christ follower and be it.
It takes time to learn, but itís very easy, because what is
First off, what is God? Many names for God, many names, in
Scriptures alone many names. But they all say that God is love,
agape love, unconditional pure love. And if God is love, and Christ
is God who came on Earth as a human being only - no godliness any more
than you or me - then that was still love on this Earth. And if Iím a
Christ follower, what am I? Iím someone who follows the way of love,
of purity, and I fall short. But I keep trying; I keep wanting; I
So, Christ follower? Hmmm: love follower. If youíre
love, you too are a Christ follower, i.e., a love follower. If you
are a voodooist, and love, and do things out of compassion and
caring, not for rewards, thatís Christ love, thatís Love. This
fear-forcing of Christ into your life or youíre going to hell is a
bunch of bull. Itís LOVE IN YOUR LIFE, or you just might strike that
Thatís the truth of it.