Dimensions, Densities, Abductions, etc.

This session was focused on a particular experience of "L." The background was that she had an appointment for a series of MRIs to be made to replace a similar series that had been made several months previously, but had been "misplaced" by the medical facility. She was worried about being able to go to sleep due to the strange events surrounding this loss of films. The MRIs were required for the ongoing therapy L was receiving as a result of an automobile accident which left her almost totally unable to use her left arm and in constant pain.

After lying down, L had been thinking about the MRIs and then there seemed to be a sort of "blank-out" and she came to herself suddenly and found that there were three spidery type creatures battling to float her out of her bed. She was struggling to resist, gripping the brass head-board with her damaged left hand. One of the creatures was pulling on her by her ankle and she could distinctly feel a sort of "fuzziness" in the grip. All of her body, except for her shoulders and head which were held down by her grip on the bed, was suspended in air and being "sucked" into a sort of beam of light emanating from the wall to the outside of the house. The bed was shaking and bouncing with the "tug of war" taking place.

When she came awake and became aware that she was struggling violently, she became angry and her resistance increased. At this point, one of the creatures placed his hand on her head and a powerful paralysis began to spread over her from the head down. This was causing her eyes to close forcibly.


As she realized her helpless state, she became angry and "spoke" to the creatures in her mind saying:

"You may be able to paralyze me and overcome my physical body, but I'll fight you with everything I have, every chance I get, so don't turn your backs on me or you'll regret it!"

And, with every bit of will she could muster, she attempted to curse them out loud. The only thing she actually managed to do was emit a strangled groan as the paralysis had overtaken her vocal cords as well. But, a strange thing happened with the uttering of this sound. The creatures seemed to become confused and disoriented and began to chatter in strange clicking sounds to each other as they dropped L suddenly back on the bed.


Then, they clustered together like frightened birds and just "melted" into a shimmery "curtain" beside the bed.

Q: (L) The first thing on my mind is an experience I had several nights ago. It seemed as though there was some sort of interaction between myself and something "other." Could you tell me what this experience was?
A: Was eclipsing of the realities.

Q: (L) What is an eclipsing of the realities?
A: It is when energy centers conflict.

Q: (L) What energy centers are conflicting?
A: Thought energy centers.

Q: (L) Whose thoughts?
A: Thoughts are the basis of all creation. After all, without thought nothing would exist. Now would it? Therefore, energy centers conflicting involve thought patterns. You could refer to it as an intersecting of thought pattern energies. The true effort to gain knowledge should always be to be open to any response, any question.

Q: (L) Well, it seemed to me that something happened to me that blanked out a period of my experience, and you say this was an eclipsing of energies caused by an intersecting of thought centers. Now, this intersecting of thought centers, did this occur within my body or within my environment?
A: They are one and the same.

Q: (L) Can I ask about my specific perceptions of the event?
A: That is what you are already doing. We sense that you desire the truest of all possible answers and if one desires the truest of all possible answers, one must avoid expressing one's own perceptions to any great degree and simply allow the answers to flow. The best advice to accomplish this is a step-by-step approach - to ask the simplest of questions with the least amount of prejudice attached.

Q: (L) Alright. I was lying in bed worrying about being able to get to sleep. The next thing I knew, I came to myself feeling that I was being floated off my bed. Was I?
A: No. When you say "I" you are referring to your whole person. There is more than one factor involved with one's being to any particular definition.

Q: (L) Was some part of my being being separated from another part of my being?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was this an attempt to extract my soul or astral body?
A: Attempt is not probably the proper term.

Q: (L) In other words...
A: It is more just an activity taking place. Attempt implies effort rather than the nature present in a conflicting of energies and thought centers.

Q: (L) I also seemed to be aware of several dark, spider-like figures lined up by the side of the bed, was this an accurate impression.
A: Those could be described as specific thought center projections.

Q: (L) I seemed to be fighting and resisting this activity.
A: That was your choice.

Q: (L) Alright, was this the ending of an abduction that had already taken place?
A: Not the proper terminology. It was the conclusion to an event, not necessarily what one would refer to as an abduction, but more what one would refer to as an interaction.

Q: (L) What was the nature of the interaction?
A: The conflicting of energies related to thought center impulses.

Q: (L) Where are these thought centers located?
A: Well, that is difficult to answer because that is assuming that thought centers are located. And, of course this is a concept area in which you are not fully familiar as of yet. So, an attempt to answer this in any way that would make sense to you would probably not be fruitful. We suggest slowing down and carefully formulating questions.

Q: (L) At what level of density do these thought centers have their primary focus?
A: Thought centers do not have primary focus in any level of density. This is precisely the point. You are not completely familiar with the reality of what thoughts are. We have spoken to you on many levels and have detailed many areas involving density level, but thoughts are quite a different thing because they pass through all density levels at once. Now, let us ask you this. Do you not now see how that would be possible?

Q: (L) Yes. But what I am trying to do is identify these conflicting thought centers. If two thought centers, or more, conflict, then my idea would be that they are in opposition.
A: Correct.

Q: (L) And, what I want to know is, was this in opposition to me, or was this an opposition in which I simply was caught in the middle, so to speak.
A: Well, you are drifting away from the true nature of your experience, because you are making suppositions. And we are not trying to scold you, we are merely trying to guide you and this is not always easy. But, let it be known again that the simplest way for you to gather knowledge on this particular subject matter is to ask the simplest questions without prejudice.

Q: (L) Okay, you said I wasn't abducted, that an event of some sort occurred. What was the event?
A: We have already described this, but the problem that you are having is that you are assuming that the description we are giving is more complicated than this. It is not.

Q: (L) Okay, in the experience I felt a paralysis of my body, what caused this paralysis.
A: Yes. Separation of awareness. Which is defined as any point along the pathway where one's awareness becomes so totally focused on one thought sector that all other levels of awareness are temporarily receded, thereby making it impossible to become aware of one's physical reality along with one's mental reality. This gives the impression of what is referred to as paralysis. Do you understand?

Q: (L) Yes. And what stimulates this total focus of awareness?
A: An event which sidetracks, temporarily, the mental processes.

Q: (L) And what event can sidetrack the mental processes to this extent?
A: Any number. In this particular case, it was an eclipsing of energies caused by conflicting thought centers.

Q: (L) What energies were being eclipsed?
A: Whenever two opposing units of reality intersect, this causes what can be referred to as friction, which, for an immeasurable amount of what you would refer to as time, which is, of course, non-existent, creates a non-existence, or a stopping of the movements of all functions. This is what we would know as conflict. In between, or through any intersecting, opposite entities, we always find zero time, zero movement, zero transference, zero exchange. Now think about this. Think about this carefully.

Q: (L) Does this mean that I was, essentially, in a condition of non-existence?
A: Well, non-existence is not really the proper term, but non-fluid existence would be more to the point. Do you understand?

Q: (L) Yes. Frozen, as it were?
A: Frozen, as it were.

Q: (L) Was there any benefit to me from this experience?
A: All experiences have potential for benefit.

Q: (L) Was there any detriment from this experience?
A: All experiences have potential for detriment. Now, do you see the parallels. We are talking about any opposing forces in nature, when they come together, the result can go all the way to the extreme of one side or all the way to the extreme of the other. Or, it can remain perfectly, symmetrically in balance in the middle, or partially in balance on one side or another. Therefore all potentials are realized at intersecting points in reality.

Q: (L) Was one of the thought centers me?
A: That is presupposing that you, what is defined as you, or how you define yourself as "me" is of and by itself a thought center. Part of what is you is a thought center but not all of what is you is a thought center. So, therefore it is incorrect to say: "Was one of these conflicting energies or thought centers me?"

Q: (L) Was one of these conflicting thought centers or energies some part of me?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And was it eclipsed by interacting with a thought center energy that was part of or all of something or someone else?
A: Or, was what happened a conflicting of one energy thought center that was a part of your thought process and another energy thought center that was another part of your thought process? We will ask you that question and allow you to contemplate.

Q: (L) Does it ever happen that individuals who perceive or think they perceive themselves to have experienced an "abduction," to actually be interacting with some part of themselves?
A: That would be a very good possibility. Now, before you ask another question, stop and contemplate for a moment: what possibilties does this open up? Is there any limit? And if there is, what is that? Is it not an area worth exploring? For example, just one example for you to digest. What if the abduction scenario could take place where your soul projection, in what you perceive as the future, can come back and abduct your soul projection in what you perceive as the present?

Q: (L) Oh, dear! Does this happen?
A: This is a question for you to ask yourself and contemplate.

Q: (L) Why would I do that to myself? (J) To gain knowledge of the future?
A: Are there not a great many possible answers?

Q: (L) Well, this seemed to be a very frightening and negative experience. If that is the case: A: maybe that is just my perception, or B: then, in the future I am not a very nice person! (J) Or maybe the future isn't very pleasant. And the knowledge that you gained of it is unpleasant.
A: Or is it one possible future, but not all possible futures? And is the pathway of free will not connected to all of this?

Q: (L) God! I hope so!
A: Now do you see the benefit in slowing down and not having prejudices when asking questions of great import? You see when you speed too quickly in the process of learning and gathering knowledge, it is like skipping down the road without pausing to reflect on the ground beneath you. One misses the gold coins and the gemstones contained within the cracks in the road.

Q: (L) Okay, when this experience occurred, am I to assume that some part of myself, a future self perhaps, of course they are all simultaneous but just for the sake of reference, came back and interacted with my present self for some purpose of exchange? That somehow I made a choice and this has changed the future?
A: Well this is a question best left for your own exploration as you will gain more knowledge by contemplating it by yourself rather than seeking the answers here. But a suggestion is to be made that you do that as you will gain much, very much knowledge by contemplating these very questions on your own and networking with others as you do so. Be not frustrated for the answers to be gained through your own contemplation will be truly illuminating to you and the experience to follow will be worth a thousand lifetimes of pleasure and joy.

And indeed, it seems that this was a prediction that came true.

See: "Amazing Grace."

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Part IX: Dealing with some difficult subjects... including the Denver Airport


At the time of the very first contact with the Cassiopaeans, some very disturbing remarks were made that upset all of us tremendously. The first thing that was mentioned was a series of prophecies:

A: Tornadoes/Florida - several. Also Texas and Alabama.

Q: (L) When?
A: When the Sun is in Libra. [But no year was given. However, the sun is in Libra from late September through most of October.]

Q: (L) What else is going to happen?
A: Seattle buried; Japan buckles; Missouri shakes; California Crumbles; Arizona burns.

Q: (L) When is all this going to happen?
A: Denver Airport Scandal.

This reply is strange in response to a question about timing. It seems that the above prophecies are linked to something that involves the Denver Airport. When this information was given in 1994, the Denver Airport was under construction. Since that time, there has been some information put about on the internet regarding certain murals in this airport and its possible use as a "staging area" for some sort of "takeover" of the human population.


But, as noted, at the time this information was given, there was no indication of such, so it was extremely puzzling.

Q: (L) What about a Denver airport Scandal?
A: New airport. Big, big, big, big scandal.

Q: (L) What kind of scandal?
A: Government.

Q: (L) Specifically what?
A: You will see. Dallas airport is secret base; Orlando too. Miami too.

Q: (L) What about Denver airport and how does it relate to prophecies?
A: Denver reveals the government. Look for it. Pay attention.

Q: (L) What else do you have to tell us?
A: Montana: Experiment with human reproduction. All people there are being exposed to harmful radon gas.

Q: (L) How are they doing this?
A: Compelled. Don't trust. Don't ignore. U.S. involved in sinister plot. Consortium.

Q: (L) Who are the members of the consortium?
A: Government and others. Aliens.

At this point I asked the question that had been burning in my mind after watching the now famous "Bob Lazar" video exposing the activities at Area 51.

Q: (L) Bob Lazar referred to the fact that aliens supposedly refer to humans as containers. What does this mean?
A: Storage for later use. 94 per cent of all population.

Q: (L) What do you mean?
A: All are containers; 94 per cent will be used.

Q: (L) Used for what?
A: Consumption.

Q: (L) What do you mean by "consumption?" You mean eaten?
A: Total consumption. Consumed for ingredients.

Q: (L) Ingredients for what?
A: New race. Important. 13 years approximately when project will be finished.

Q: (L) Why are humans consumed?
A: They are used for parts.

Q: (L) We don't understand. How can humans be used for parts?
A: Reprototype. The Vats exist. Missing persons often go there and especially missing children.

Q: (L) How can we protect ourselves and our children?
A: Inform them. Don't hide the truth from children.

Q: (L) How does truth protect us?
A: Awareness protects. Ignorance endangers.

Q: (L) Why tell children such horrible things?
A: They need to know.

Q: (L) What is the purpose of this project?
A: New life here. Each earth year 10 percent more children are taken and used for experiment and food. Bits of children's organs removed while they are wide awake. Kidneys first; then next feet; next jaw examined on table; tongues cut off; bones stress tested; pressure placed on heart muscle until it bursts. You must know what the consortium is doing. This is done mostly to Indian children.

Q: (L) Why are things like this being done?
A: There is a big effort on behalf of Orion Service To Self and their human brethren to create a new race and control it as well as the rest of humanity.

Q: (L) What happens to the souls? Is this project physical only?
A: Physical and souls recycled.

Q: (L) Where do the souls go?
A: Back here for the most part. Some go to other planets.

Q: (L) Why is this happening to earth?
A: Karma. Atlantis.

Q: (L) What did the Atlanteans do to bring this on us?
A: Worshipped and served self to extreme.

Q: (L) What can protect us?
A: Knowledge.

Q: (L) How do we get this knowledge?
A: You are being given it through this source now.

Q: (L) What knowledge do you mean?
A: You have it locked up within. We can help to prepare the way to unlock.

Q: (L) How does the knowledge of what you have told us help us?
A: Just knowing about it gives psychic defense.

Q: (L) How do we tell people? And who do we tell?
A: Inform others indirectly only.

Q: How.
A: Write. Awareness protects. Ignorance endangers.


This idea of aliens eating humans, either in terms of their energies or their flesh is very disturbing and causes violent reactions in most people, as it did with Carlos Castaneda when don Juan informed him that it was so. I have reserved these issues for the final parts of this series so that only those who are truly determined to learn will have progressed to this point.


Those who are here and reading this, very likely wish to truly know.

Q: You once said something about diet in relation to "tracking of bloodlines." The question was in the context of the dietary restrictions of the Jews. Do these dietary restrictions make it easier to track the Jews? Can 4th density track their genetics because of their dietary restrictions?
A: Foolishness!! 4th density beings have no difficulty identifying anyone on 3rd density. Dietary restrictions you speak of are relating to making the body chemistry less attractive for consumption.

Q: You mean consumption as in being eaten?
A: Yes.

Q: So, maybe we should all eat like Jews?
A: Maybe.

Q: Do you mean that 4h density STS likes particularly to eat Aryans?
A: Only the reptilian types.

Q: But, they don't like to eat Jews, is that it?
A: They most prefer children with high body fat content.

Q: What do the Orion humanoids eat?
A: Crystalline tablets, which are aspirated through oral demolecularization.

Q: Are these crystalline tablets like rocks, like our idea of crystals?
A: Picture a sparkling polished oval bead.

Q: What is the chemical composition?
A: Quartz at the 3rd power compared to Terran samples.

On many occasions, various persons have come to the sessions with the intention of getting the Cassiopaeans to "confirm" this or that rumor that is currently being passed around.

A: Beware of disinformation. It diverts your attention away from reality thus leaving you open to capture and conquest and even possible destruction. Disinformation comes from seemingly reliable sources. It is extremely important for you to not gather false knowledge as it is more damaging than no knowledge at all. Remember knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. The information you speak of, Terry, was given to you deliberately because you and Jan and others have been targeted due to your intense interest in level of density 4 through 7 subject matter. You have already been documented as a "threat."

A lot of people want the Cassiopaeans to teach them rituals that they can perform to protect them from the aliens, demons or just negative energies:

Q: (L) Do any of the rituals we perform provide protection against further abduction?
A: Maybe some Crystals with energy fields. Don't need protection if you have knowledge.

Q: Okay, next question: Is it possible to create resistance to abduction by generating sound? Like an internal sound? This article I was reading said that different people used several techniques where they think it has helped them to halt or avoid abduction by "aliens." One is to generate an "internal" sound, a high-pitched "thought hum," and another is to invoke angelic spirits such as the Archangel Michael, and another is to "Just Say No," and these people think they have avoided being abducted thereby. Are any of these usable techniques?
A: Potpourri.

Q: (T) Sweet smelling dried flowers are potpourri.
A: Sage, salt, ooohm, any other rituals you like?

Q: (L) In other words, nothing works?

(T) It's not going to stop them! I keep a heavy shield around the house and all that stuff and they still get through!
A: How about the hula hoop dance with green peppers stuck up your nose! [Hilarious laughter] Perhaps one can solve the crises by focusing on other issues? You see, when you constrict the flow, you constrict the channel. And when you constrict the channel, you close down possibilities. And, you make it difficult, if not impossible for you to see that which is there. In other words, the obvious becomes oblivious because of constriction of the flow. This is why we have recommended against all rituals, because ritual restricts the flow, thereby restricting the possibilities. And, what you are describing is a situation of "dire straits," as you call it, and pressures of great magnitude which is restricting you. But actually, it is your concentration on same that is restricting, not the situation itself. And we realize that it is difficult for you to focus your attentions, or, more importantly to open up the flow of the channel. But, it is certainly not impossible. Especially for an individual as strong as yourself. It is what you choose to do, not what you MUST do. It is what you CHOOSE to do.

If one believes in one's activities sincerely, to the greatest extent, they certainly will produce SOME benefit, at SOME level. But, merely following patterns for the sake of following patterns, does not produce sincerity and faith necessary for ultimate benefits to result. So, therefore, as always, one must search from within, rather than from without, to answer that question. Do you understand? To give you an example, to be certain, you meet this all the time. If you read material in the pages of a book that advises one form of ritual or another, and you follow that form of ritual because you have read words printed on the pages, does that really give you the true sense of satisfaction and accomplishment within yourself to the greatest extent possible? Whereas, if you, yourself, were to develop an activity which one or another could interpret or define as a ritual, but it comes from within you, it feels RIGHT to you, and you have a sincere and complete faith in it, whatever it may be, does that feel right to you?

Q: (L) Yes.

Q: (L) According to shamanistic teachings, one can have animal spirits or guides. Is this correct?
A: Partly. You have them if you believe you have them.

Q: (L) If believing in them makes it so, is this belief beneficial?
A: All belief is beneficial at some level.

Q: (L) Did Jesus of Nazareth believe in animal spirits or totems?
A: No.

Q: (L) Is it just New Age revival of superstition?
A: Shamanism is subjective and limits. Lizard inspired.

Q: (L) Are there any rituals that can be performed to provide protection for one against intrusion by the Lizzies.
A: Rituals are self-defeating.

Q: (L) Are there any technological means we can use?
A: The only defense needed is knowledge. Knowledge defends you against every possible form of harm in existence. The more knowledge you have, the less fear you have, the less pain you have, the less stress you feel, the less anguish you feel, and the less danger you experience of any form or sort. Think of this very carefully now for this is very important: Where is there any limitation in the concept behind the word "knowledge"? Being that there is no limitation, what is the value of that word? Infinite. Can you conceive of how that one concept, that one meaning frees you from all limitation? Use your sixth sense to conceive of how the word, the term, the meaning of knowledge can provide with all that you could possibly ever need. If you think carefully you will begin to see glimpses of how this is true in its greatest possible form.

Q: (L) Does this include knowledge learned from books?
A: This includes all possible meanings of the concept of the word. Can you think of how it would be that simply with one term, this one word can carry so much meaning? We sense that you are not completely aware. You can have glimpses of illumination and illumination comes from knowledge. If you strive perpetually to gain and gather knowledge, you provide yourself with protection from every possible negative occurrence that could ever happen. Do you know why this is? The more knowledge you have, the more awareness you have as to how to protect yourself. Eventually this awareness becomes so powerful and so all encompassing that you do not even have to perform tasks or rituals, if you prefer, to protect yourself. The protection simply comes naturally with the awareness.

Q: (L) Does knowledge have a substance or an existence apart from its possession or its acceptance?
A: Knowledge has all substance. It goes to the core of all existence.

Q: (L) So acquiring knowledge includes adding substance to one's being?
A: Indeed. It includes adding everything to one's being that is desirable. And also, when you keep invoking the light, as you do, truly understand that the light is knowledge. That is the knowledge which is at the core of all existence. And being at the core of all existence it provides protection from every form of negativity in existence. Light is everything and everything is knowledge and knowledge is everything. You are doing extremely well in acquiring of knowledge. Now all you need is the faith and realization that acquiring of knowledge is all you need.

Q: (L) I just want to be sure that the source that I am acquiring the knowledge from is not a deceptive source.
A: If you simply have faith, no knowledge that you could possibly acquire could possibly be false because there is no such thing. Anyone or anything that tries to give you false knowledge, false information, will fail. The very material substance that the knowledge takes on, since it is at the root of all existence, will protect you from absorption of false information which is not knowledge. There is no need to fear the absorption of false information when you are simply openly seeking to acquire knowledge. And knowledge forms the protection -- all the protection you could ever need.

Q: (L) There are an awful lot of people who are being open and trusting and having faith who are getting zapped and knocked on their rears.
A: No. That is simply your perception. What you are failing to perceive is that these people are not really gathering knowledge. These people are stuck at some point in their pathway to progress and they are undergoing a hidden manifestation of what is referred to in your terms as obsession. Obsession is not knowledge, obsession is stagnation. So, when one becomes obsessed, one actually closes off the absorption and the growth and the progress of soul development which comes with the gaining of true knowledge. For when one becomes obsessed one deteriorates the protection therefore one is open to problems, to tragedies, to all sorts of difficulties. Therefore one experiences same.

Q: (L) Back in 1981 and 1982, my daughter A__ frequently saw something outside her window that she described as an alligator, and she would wake up screaming and we would get up and, on one occasion we saw what seemed to be a figure standing in a corner by the closet. The whole series of events ended up with my having a dream in which I confronted a dragon...
A: Lizard.

Q: (L) What were they doing at that time?
A: Scoping.

Q: (L) What did they discover from their scoping?
A: Potential abductees.

Q: (L) And did they abduct anyone at that time?
A: No.

Q: (L) Why didn't they?
A: You stopped it.

Q: (L) How did I stop it?
A: Knowledge is rooted in awareness.

Q: (L) So, my awareness is what stopped it?
A: Close.

Q: (L) When I had the dream about doing battle with the dragon, was that just a dream, an astral event, or an actual interaction with the Lizzies?
A: All three.

Q: (L) You have told us, that the more knowledge we actually accumulate, it actually changes our frequency and adds volume and bulk and power and force to who and what we are, at a fundamental level. Not physically, but psychically. I mean, what does it say in the Bible? "My people perish for a lack of knowledge..." and it says, "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." And the more knowledge you have, the bigger you are, in a cosmic and psychic sense, the more powerful you are, and...
A: Suggest more questions about the goings on at underground facilities. J__and T__ were visitors involuntary when went to Albuquerque and Las Vegas!

Q: (L) You were in an underground base?

(T) We were in a front door of an underground base. We were in Carlsbad Caverns, and I know that there's a government facility at the other end of it, and they won't talk about it.

(J) Is that what they mean?

(T) You're talking about Carlsbad?
A: Abducted.

Q: (T): When we were in Albuquerque?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) When we were in Las Vegas, also?
A: Met alien there. Barfly.

Q: (T): Ohhhhh... I know exactly what you are talking about.
A: Disguised humanoid gray species four. Rigelian. Orion union STS.

Q: (T) Why did he talk to us? Why did he approach us? I know exactly...
A: Spying on you and aural frequency reading, had you not been as strong, would have suffered permanent abduction because of your studies

Q: (L) What is there about strength that makes one inaccessible to permanent abduction?
A: Strength is of character, i.e. if STO candidate, not likely to be victim.

Q: (L) OK, but what is the thing inside one that stops them... I mean, is this something that is a core ingredient of certain human beings? Is this like something inside them that blocks this manipulation and victimization?
A: Soul pattern.

Q: (L) So in other words, there is something about us, or within us, that literally they cannot touch or harm, is that correct?
A: Basically, but difficult to facilitate.

Q: (L) OK, in other words, this is something that is in us, that creates an inherent barrier, but not necessarily something that we can, at this level of density, reach in, grab out as a weapon, and wave around, as in facilitate?
A: Can, but intricate to do consciously.

Q: (L) OK, so, in other words, difficult to do consciously. Is this some quality or ability that we can work at? I don't think meditation is the answer, this is a state of focused awareness, whole body awareness, internal and external, basically whole body awareness...
A: Helpful.

Q: (L) That's helpful. Is there something we can do to develop this to the highest degree possible, while in these bodies, in this density?
A: Wait for 4th density.

Q: (T) It's an involuntary thing, it's there, it works when it needs to work. Is this the idea?
A: Network western experiences for learning purposes please. Knowledge is protection.

Briefly, T__ related the story where he and J__ met the barfly at Vegas World, after having gone downtown to get their marriage license. They had taken a taxi to City Hall, and foolishly decided to walk back to the Strip, in 116 degree weather. They made it as far south as Vegas World, and stopped at the bar inside to cool off. J__ was close to heat prostration, and the barmaid gave her glasses of iced water and an iced towel to put on her neck.


They were getting ready to go back out and hail a cab back to Bally's, when they were approached by the "Barfly," who started asking all sorts of personal questions, and seemed to be acting drunk when he wasn't really intoxicated.


He became belligerent when T__ refused to show him his Florida drivers license, but switched to disorientation when T__ made the statement "We don't have a problem here, do we?!" while staring the guy down and putting the force of his personality behind the question/statement.

Q: (L) In this story that T has just recounted, what instant represents the turning point of resistance?
A: The statement.

Q: (T) When I said "We don't have a problem, here, do we?! Everything's cool, everything's OK! I'll buy you a beer?" and stared the guy down?
A: Yes.

Q: (T): Because that's when he got confused... He was escalating this to a point, and I don't know, it just came to me that the best way to do this was to just stop it right there...
A: Grays and their associates are thrown off by energy flow diversions or thought pattern interruptions.

Q: (L) I do have an idea about that. Is this what Michael Topper was writing about in his article, "Channels and the Positive/Negative Nature of Reality," where he talks about the "obedience factor" of the STS? If they can get you to obey something, no matter how insignificant it seems, you have given your permission and they have power over you?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Back in the 1970's in the Central United States there were quite a number of cases of animal mutilation. There has been a lot of publicity about this at some point and then it died down and was covered up, and there were a lot of ideas and theories about it. What I would like to know is who was doing the animal mutilations?
A: Many.

Q: Was some of the animal mutilation done by the U.S Government, or entities within the government?
A: Was?

Q: (L) In other words, it is still going on. Was, or is, some of this activity being conducted by alien individuals?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Were they acting for the same reasons?
A: No.

Q: Why did the government do animal mutilations?
A: Copy, in order to throw off investigation.

Q: (L) Did they do this as an act to protect the aliens who were doing animal mutilations for their own purposes?
A: No. They do it to protect the public from knowing that which would explode society if discovered.

Q: (L) What is this item that they were protecting so that society or the public wouldn't know about it. What activity is this?
A: Humans eat cattle, aliens eat you.

Q: What do aliens do to cattle?
A: Blood.

Q: (J) What do they use this blood for?
A: Nourishment.

Q: (L) Okay, but you just said that aliens eat humans, and humans eat cattle. Why were the aliens being nourished by cattle, if that's not their normal bill of fare?

(T) A cow's blood is a lot like human blood.
A: Do you not ever consume facsimile? Facsimile is less controversial, obviously!

Q: (L) So in other words, they were eating cattle just to keep from having to eat so many humans, that would have just upset people a lot, is that it?
A: Yes. Some of their human "food" is merely emotions, think of flesh as being the equal of "filet mignon."

Q: (T) Some of their food is merely emotions. Okay, when we're talking about these aliens, are we talking about the Grays?
A: No.

Q: (T) We're talking about the Lizards.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, what do the Grays feed on?
A: Plasma.

Q: (T) Okay, so that's why they want the blood; so, do the Grays feed on emotions?
A: They send them to Lizards. Transfer energy through technology.

Q: (T) Are the cattle giving off enough emotion for the Grays to feed this to the Lizards also?
A: No. That is physical only, you see, Lizards and Grays only need physical nourishment while "visiting" 3rd level, not when in natural realm, 4th density, there they feed on emotions only.

Q: (T) Grays are not strictly third density? Because they've been created by the Lizzies?
A: Yes. Correct, they too are 4th level.

Q: (L) What technology do they use to surgically excise certain areas of the cattle's anatomy, is this done by laser...
A: Laser-like.

Q: (L) Okay, since it has been noted that quite frequently the cattle mutilations consist of taking very specific parts of the body, such as the eyeballs, the genitalia; they core out the anal sphincter right up to the colon; what would be the purpose for these specific body parts? I mean, do they core out the rectum and put a pump on there and suck all the blood out, I mean...
A: Close.

Q: (L) Okay, I think we kind of have an answer to this one, but there have been very frequently associated with the phenomenon of cattle mutilations, sightings of black, unmarked helicopters, who or what are these helicopters?
A: Variable.

Q: (L) Are some of these helicopters disguised alien craft? Are some of these helicopters the property of the U.S. Government?
A: Yes to both.

Q: (T) Are some of these helicopters private enterprise?
A: Yes. All are interconnected Some too, are projections, this phenomenon is multifaceted.

Q: (L) Okay, that's good enough. Who are the oriental- appearing personnel that have been seen manning the helicopters and the white vans that have been sighted all over the country?
A: MIB. And government copycats.

Q: (L) How many alien craft, actual alien craft, are in the hands of the government or this consortium?
A: 36.

Q: (L) And were these captured craft? Or gifted?
A: And recovered.

Q: (T) Ok, they were all three. Were any of them purchased?
A: Not correct concept, Grays are not financial.

Q: (T) I didn't mean by money, I meant purchased as in some kind of a trade. Were the gift ones not what we would really consider gifts, but they were given to us in return for something else, some other kind of payment? Barter?
A: No. Because all sought return favors were already achieved.

Q: (L) So it was all just a farce. They weren't payment, they weren't gifts, they were distractions?
A: Closer.

Q: (T) Okay, so there's a lot of different categories of how these ships got into the hands of the federal government?
A: Yes. Multidimensional

Q: (L) Who is O. H. Krill?
A: No one.

Q: (L) Is O. H. Krill a group?
A: Symbolism.

Q: (L) Symbolism of what? What does O. H. Krill translate out to?
A: For documentary purposes only, your government likes code names.

Q: (L) Give us a percentage of factual information in this document.
A: 43%

Q: (L) Okay, and this has been planted by the government. Was it put out with the intention of giving out some factual information...
A: No. Planted? No. Your government is operating on many cross-purposes, very complicated!

Q: (T) Even the simplest things are very complicated with them. Okay, question: The U.S. government...
A: On purpose!

Q: (T) Very true. Question: The government, our government, the U.S. government, is holding 36 craft of one kind or another that they gotten in one way or another. How many other governments have craft?
A: All is one.

Q: (L) We already have a one-world government is what they're saying. (T) Yes, they're just waiting to make it official somehow.
A: Has been so for long time, as you measure time.

Q: (L) What is the " ultimate secret " being protected by the Consortium?
A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.

Q: (T) When you say this is the ultimate secret, that we're being "protected" from by the government, are we talking about the ultimate secret of humans only here?
A: Basically.

Q: (T) The ultimate secret of the human race is that we are an experiment that other humans are conducting on the rest of us?
A: Part.

Q: (T) Okay, does the other part have to do with the Lizards?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Other aliens also?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, so, are the humans who are running the experiment, do they know that they are part of the experiment also?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And they're doing this willingly?
A: They have no choice.

Q: (L) Why do they have no choice?
A: Already in progress.

Q: (L) Yes. Okay. How "long", and I put long in quotes, because we know, as you say, there is no time, but how long, as we measure it, have the Grays been interacting with our race? The Grays, not the Lizards, the Grays, the cybergenetic probes?
A: Time travelers, therefore, "Time is ongoing." Do you understand the gravity of this response?

Q: (L) They are time travelers, they can move forward and backward in time, they can play games with our heads...

(T) They can set up the past to create a future they want.

(D) They can organize things so that they can create the energy that they need...

(L) They can also make things look good, make them feel good, make them seem good, they can make you have an idea one minute, and then the next minute, create some sort of situation that confirms that idea...
A: When you asked how long, of course it is totally unlimited, is it not?

Q: (L) That's not good. If they were to move back through space time and alter an event in our past, would that alteration in the past instantaneously alter our present as well?
A: Has over and over and over.

Q: (D) So they do it over and over and over, constantly?
A: You just are not yet aware, and have no idea of the ramifications!!!

Q: (L) We're getting a little glimmer! Yeah, I do, a little!

(T) The ramifications of being able to move in and out of time and manipulate it the way you want

(J) And the ramifications of what they're doing to us; what they are doing to us and what they will do to us, over and over.

(L) So, in other words, our only real prayer in this whole damn situation is to get out of this density level. That's what they're saying, that's what it sounds like to me.
A: Close.

Q: (L) Because, otherwise, we're just literally, as in that book, stuck in the replay over and over and over, and the Holocaust could happen over and over, and we could just, you know... Ghengis Khan, Atilla the Hun... over and over and over again.

(T) We're stuck in a time loop; they're putting us in a time loop.
A: Yes.

Q: (D) I have a question about... there was a... (PAUSE) Mankind has found it necessary for some reason or other to appoint time for some reason or other. The only reason I can see is to have a means of telling, like in verbal or written communications...
A: Time is a control mechanism.

Q: (T) Is there a way for us to break the control mechanism? Besides moving to 4th density?
A: Nope.

Q: (D) When 4th density beings communicate it's telepathic, right?
A: Yes.

Q: (D) Okay, since time doesn't exist, how do you communicate about happenings? How do you communicate about events as one happens now, as opposed to later and the next thing happens, and the next thing happens...

(J) How is it sequential?
A: Translate. That is how it is done. You translate the experience? from 4th density to 3rd density and vice versa.

Q: (L) So, in other words, it's almost like making movies.

(J) Are linear thought processes part of it?
A: Part of 3d illusion only.

Q: (L) So, in other words, if you're a 4th density being, everything is more or less happening, excuse the term happening, everything is simultaneous, and if you wish to discuss or communicate or have any focus upon any particular aspect of this unified dimension, then what you do is you kind of extract it out, project it into 3d... like a movie.
A: Close. But you will not understand fully until you get there

Q: (T) Okay, so it's a concept that we can't completely grasp in 3d at this point.
A: Can a dog grasp algebra? You got it.

Q: (L) In other words, we're in bad shape! And these guys are playing games with us, so to speak...
A: Subjective.

Q: (L) Well, the situation we find ourselves in makes it seem that our only hope to end the suffering, to get out of this time loop, is to move into another density.
A: Yogis can do it.

The Wave series includes a historical analysis of the deception perpetrated upon mankind and proposes ideas as to how to literally "change our universe" to another probable reality. It isn't easy, but it can be done.


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