October 20, 1991

from WatunietMagweten Website



California researcher Michael Lindemann, founder of ’The 20/20 Group’ gave a lecture before a large crowd of interested investigators which seems to confirm other sources.


Mr. Lindemann began his address by saying:

"How many of your saw the program on CBS Network on May 17th (1991) called ’ABDUCTION’? It was narrated by James Earl Jones. It was really quite a remarkable program, it took the subject of abduction absolutely seriously. This was prime time network, CBS. Of course FOX (network) has done a number of other programs and there have been some outstanding UFO segments on ’UNSOLVED MYSTERIES’. But last night, maybe even a little more remarkable than the FOX 1-hour special, was what came on the news right after. Because in the Fox Network news program that followed in the 10 o’clock segment there was a hard news story about the allegation that the United States government is ’doing business’ with greys. I have never seen anything like it... it was a very impressive indication of the way in which this subject is suddenly becoming O.K. to talk about. That says to me there has been a switch ’at the top’...

"In our conversation today I use two terms... and the first of these terms is ’government’. We speak of the government as if it is a single thing. It is hardly that. It is actually a hodge-podge of... power-struggling people, but I would like to break it up into two main categories, and that is: 1) The government that we consider to be our duly constituted, our elected and appointed representatives who attempt as best they can to run a semblance of order or Federal government which follows the dictates of the constitution of the United States. The constitution is, after all, a darn good piece of paper, it is one of the best ever written... If only our government were capable of behaving in even... a resemblance of what is intended in the constitution, probably few of us would have a great deal to gripe about...

"Now that they’ve failed to do that is not only because they are fallible humans, but also because they are undermined by another government. There is indeed another government operating and that government has immense power and operates primarily behind the scenes. And some other researchers have called it the ’secret government’, some have called it the ’high cabal’. And it is a group of people, a very elite group, non-elected, self- appointed people who guide the evolution of (government) policy from behind the scenes. These are people who transcend partisan politics, indeed who transcend the rule of law, and have no thought whatsoever toward the dictates of the constitution.

“These are people who regard themselves as the only true guardians or crafters of geo-political reality. And they regard us, indeed they regard elected officials as ‘mere mortals’. These people are the self-appointed ‘OLYMPIANS’. They have done many things in the name of an agenda which is their own, that we would consider appalling and reprehensible. Indeed things that are criminal, but they’re more than criminal because they have sapped and usurped the rights and privileges and the possibilities of our future. These people are running a king of ‘end game’ right now. They are trying to determine how ‘they’ will survive the end time. Whether that end time comes as a kind of biblical apocalypse or... as the catastrophic collapse of the environment... the (so-called) ‘population bomb’ and all the other things.. whether it comes as a collapse of the banking- system which looks to be only days away, or the collapse of the rest of the world’s economy - there are many things that could get us.

“And these people in effect are building their own version of ‘Noah’s Ark’. And that ‘Noah’s Ark’ they’re building is underground. Underground bases, indeed all over the world, but particularly here in the United States. Huge underground bases that have actually festooned the underground geography of our continent in a way that would probably stun and shock you. But they even have an underground government, because you see when the government topside is no longer functional because a nuclear bomb lands on Capital Hill, or whether it comes simply because the chaos has reached a point where they must abandon ship, there is preparation as there has been for decades for continuity of government, all the computers, all the personnel are currently in place and operating around the clock.


Yes, they are there friends, we have another government in waiting, a government that you never authorized, that you never said we would pay for, that has cost a CALLOSAL FORTUNE, but it’s there underground, ready to take over. And indeed, here in our area, I have focused on the Lancaster (CA) area as an example of one of the many... but even in Lancaster in particular, we know for certain are huge underground bases. These are not only places where incredible research is underway but also places where people will go to live when the ‘bleep’ hits the blades as they say. And, these are places that are capable of supporting on an ongoing basis some tens of thousands of people. And so across the country it may be possible to ‘save’ an ‘elect’ remnant of some hundreds of thousands of people who will be the ‘cream’ of the civilization that is meant to survive the apocalypse or the downfall... or whatever it is that’s out there getting us. ‘Mere mortals’ will have to fend for themselves.


The expectation is, part of the end game is, (that those on the surface) will eventually fight each other into a draw or will die of exhaustion or starvation or brutality. And that eventually the ‘mere mortals’ will (destroy) themselves and rid the world of excess population, so that the ‘cream’, the ‘remnant’ will come forward and claim their ‘rightful’ place... I must say that there is an immense amount of evidence which does support this exact scenario.

“Let’s talk about the term ‘aliens’, because there are those who claim that there are ‘aliens’ among us... There are at least... three kinds of aliens represented in the evidence available to us... (he explains these as those presently inhabiting other planetary bodies such as the greys; those hidden among us such as human-like beings who inhabit underground, undersea and in some cases other-planetary regions yet who often walk unnoticed in our societies; and paraphysical entities who inhabit another ‘dimension’ other than the one we see with our physical sight - Branton) And I think the evidence is very strong that there is a profound ‘alien’ presence among us... these are people who are here, beings who are here, in large numbers...

“But there is this government that has known about the alien presence for a long time, a government that has been playing an ‘end game’. A government that has an agenda of concealment and control, that is operated by terror. In Lancaster, that agenda of concealment and control is what I call the ‘Lancaster Syndrome’. It produces strange distortions in many peoples lives...

“First let me tell you about a man who sits today in Pierce County jail outside of Tacoma, Washington. This man’s name is Michael Riconosciuto.”

Lindemann states that Riconosciuto formerly worked for a corporation called Wackenhut which provides special security protection for high-security areas such as the Nevada Test Site. Michael R. claims that the real reason he was sent to jail was because he swore out an affidavit against the Dept. of Justice. In that affidavit he explained that the U.S. Dept of Justice had ‘swindled’ the private company INSLAW out of a proprietary software called PROMIS. This software was a database designed to track special groups of people according to various characteristics. It was a very powerful, very capable database. INSLAW developed this in the early 1980’s and took it to the Dept. of Justice thinking it would be a good law enforcement software. The Dept. of Justice would be most useful in helping to track terrorists and other troublemakers. They realized that if they could get control of the software, according to Michael R., they could sell it to other countries and make huge profits.

“So the Dept. of Justice allegedly made a deal with the INSLAW Corp. for an exclusive on the PROMIS software, and then they drove INSLAW into bankruptcy by refusing to pay. Lindemann continues:

“The amazing thing is that they were caught. And in 1988 BARONS magazine in the April 4th (1991) issue... contained this fairly astonishing piece of news: ‘Presiding judge in the bankruptcy hearing was judge George Basing.’ According to BARONS, Judge Basing had found that the justice dept. had personally propelled INSLAW into bankruptcy in an effort to steal it PROMIS software through ‘Trickery, deceit and fraud.’ On Feb. 2, 1988, Basing ordered the justice dept. to pay INSLAW about 6.8 million dollars (no doubt to be ultimately financed by the friendly American taxpayer - Branton). He postponed at that time a decision on punitive damages which could run as high as $25,000,000. And as it happens, all of that is all in appeal. The justice dept. was not at all pleased with that ruling. It does state that justice is in a sorry state in America. If you didn’t know that already, I hope this helps you to understand.”

Michael was responsible for doing the modifications on the PROMIS software before selling that software to the Canadian government after it was ‘stolen’ from INSLAW, and so he had an inside track on this information.

“He explained,” Lindemann continues, “that the Dept. of Justice, among other things, prevailed on him in Feb. of this year (1991) not to offer his information in the ongoing lawsuit. One Dept. of Justice official by the name of Peter Videnicks state that if he would cooperate with this request they could promise him certain benefits...” including an assurance given by a Dept. of Justice employee of a favorable outcome in a prolonged custody battle between Michael R. and his ex-wife. According to Michael R., the Dept., of Justice “’...also outlined specific punishments that I could expect to receive... if I did cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee!’
“Now this is just an indicator,” Lindemann states, “that the Dept. of Justice definitely has it’s own idea of the meaning of justice.”

Michael Riconosciuto went ahead and swore out an affidavit against the Justice Dept. alleging grand larceny against the INSLAW Corp. Lindemann stated that none of the threatened punishments ever came about as they found an easier way to frame him, “that is, they busted (framed) him for drugs, and now he sits facing a possible life sentence in the Pierce Co. Jail. But because of that he’s very, very scared because he knows now that these guys will take-him-out whenever they darn well feel like it. And so he’s talking, he’s talking in every way he can... In particular we wanted to ask Michael R. something about some of the things going on at the underground bases. I’d like to read you just a little bit of what Michael Riconosciuto told us recently about that. I asked him, what did he know about the underground bases in the Lancaster area. I’m going to quote now our conversation:

“He said, ‘Well, there’s extensive stuff in... I call it the ‘Edwards position’, and then at Nellis over in Nevada, and at the Nevada Test Site.’ Then he went on to say, ‘Last summer I had a group of guys bagging a whole bunch of files and records, and some equipment out of Wackenhut and they had a helicopter loaded to the nuts and they got shot down before they could get out of there.’

“I don’t know how many of you noticed,’ Lindemann continues, “but there was an article in the LOS ANGELES TIMES, the 24th of July of this year - FATAL COPTER CRASH AT THE NUCLEAR TEST SITE PROBED. This was the most serious accident which had ever occurred in the history of the Test Site. Five people were killed when this helicopter went down, and the FAA and the DOE and the National Transportation and safety board all converged on the Nuclear Test Site to figure out what brought this copter down. But you may be ASSURED that they will never tell you because it was SHOT down by Wackenhut, and it contained two pilots and 3 Wackenhut personnel according to the article in the L.A. TIMES.

“I said, ‘I heard about that. Are you saying that that was a group of, let’s say, renegades from the inside who were trying to bolt for the blue and WACKENHUT shot them down? Is that your allegation?’
And he said,

“And I said, ‘Is there anything more that you can say about this?’ He said:
“’Not on the phone.’
“I said, ‘Were you aware of that before it happened?’
“He said, ‘Yes. I told a handful of people that we were hoping to get a big stash of stuff out of there.’
“I said, ‘Were they trying to get out of Nellis?’
“He said, ‘No, not Nellis, off the Nuclear Test Site.’
“And the information they were trying to get out, what did it pertain to?’
“And he said, ‘Guess! I don’t even want to talk about it. The worst!’
“And I said, ‘The very worst. hugh?’
“And he said, ‘yep’.

“Now I don’t know of the ‘very worst,’ do you? I mean I’m not really sure, but it seemed to me, judging from other things that we had talked with Mike about and some of the other things that we’ve heard from witnesses in the underground bases... the ‘very worst’ could be one of two main possibilities in my book... The very worst #1) - Really nasty, scary alien stuff. The very worst #2) - Really nasty, scary bio-tech... bio-engineering stuff. There’s all kinds of genetic engineering, some of which has to do with the ‘creation’ of biological warfare agents, some of which has to do with the ‘creation’ of strange bacteria, and perhaps new strains of chimpanzees and (perhaps) people. There are very, very weird experiments going on, and I thought, ‘O.K., fine, maybe one or the other of those things.’

“But our conversation continued and it leaned in one direction so let’s just see what he had to say next.

“I said, ‘One of your associates seemed to indicate that there was technology operating that would have the appearance of flying saucers, but be absolutely terrestrial. Can you comment on that?’


“And he said, ‘Sure, we had some propulsion devices that were, let’s say, rather astounding.’
“I said, ‘Is this stuff operational?’ And he said ‘Oh, yes, it’s operational.’
“I said, ‘O.K., so there are vehicles. Would you say that they belonged in the arsenal, or are they part of a sort of gee- whiz lunatic fringe of science?’

“And he said, ‘Oh no, they’re part of the arsenal. It’s not lunatic fringe stuff, it’s all well-funded, it’s all very real. I’ve worked on portions of it, I’ve worked on teams that have worked on this stuff, and I’ve seen with my own eyes. The only thing that I have been shielded from, is any REAL (alien) contact. That I’ve never been brought directly in contact with, in fact, that part has been minimized to me.’


(According to many, a malevolent race of non-human ‘alien’ entities tied-in with the secret government are the TRUE motivators behind many of the control scenarios against mankind, and that many in the secret government have ‘sold’ themselves and their services to this invading army and act as a type of ‘fifth column’, in exchange for certain ‘physical’ benefits - Branton).

“And I said to him, ‘In the way you’ve said that, I get the impression that you assume that there are extraterrestrials (i.e. ‘aliens’) around.’

“And he said, ‘I have no direct knowledge of that, O.K.? That’s all. There’s alot of strange technology, there’s alot of extra-heavy security, O.K.? Anybody who breeches a certain point of security is instantly dead or disappears.

“I said, ‘Are you saying that given all the other indiscretions you’ve shown over the years, that this one would be worst?’
“And he said, ‘Yes, I would say so.’

“I said, ‘really?’
“He said. ‘Yes, Yes! It’s like those people who were leaving the Nuclear Test Site, they were summarily blown out of the sky.’

“Now, Michael knew (he was talking on a prison telephone - his phone was tapped) indeed, that people who talk too loud, in too much detail about the actual ‘alien’ situation are liable to run into severe problems. Being that he’s already in prison and a sitting duck, he’s obviously very careful with his words. But we have talked with some other people who have been more forthright about what they have actually seen in the underground bases.

“One of our sources is a construction worker. He came out of Vietnam, he was a very decorated Special Forces soldier. Among other things he got the Congressional Medal of Honor. And because he was special forces in the Vietnamese war, when he came back stateside he was offered all kinds of bizarre jobs in top security. He felt that those would be too restrictive so he went into construction instead. But because of his military record he had an inside track on a security clearance. He wound up doing construction in the underground bases.

“Now you see, the underground installations are built just like a building is built. You know, you’ve got to do electrical conduit, you’ve got to paint the walls! Whose going to do it? It’s not going to be the Secretary of Defense. It’s going to be a guy like our guy! It’s going to be like this fellow whose got a Congressional Medal of honor and now does special electrical conduiting underground. So he’s told us what he saw.

“There’s a facility called Haystack Butte, it’s on the Edwards (AFB) reservation... (Note: At this point Lindemann shows the audience a map of the area encompassing Edwards AFB, the city of Lancaster and Palmdale to the south - which is the sight of 542 where the B-2 bomber is assembled and alot of other secret aircraft. All of the major aircraft and aerospace companies are located in this area, among other places. It also showed the Tehachapi facility west of Lancaster, nicknamed the ‘Ant Hill’, which is administered by Northrup and which is rumored by some to house underground ‘disk’ hangers for wingless aircraft built by the Secret-Government-Military-Industrial establishment. In the southeast corner of Lindemann’s map the Tejon ranch was visible, which is a large cattle ranch that goes up into the Tehachapi range to the southeast of Bakersfield, California. He also pointed out an extensive underground facility maintained by MacDonnell Douglas, and the Helendale Facility administered by Lockheed. In this same general area is Haystack Butte which is ‘jointly’ administered, with North American Rockwell involved as well - Branton).

“So what we have here is a situation where you’ve got our major aerospace companies heavily implicated. I mean this is what is meant by the Military-Industrial Complex. These companies are HEAVILY implicated in super, super secret projects, and at the very top they’re all cooperating together. All the ‘bidding wars’ and every thing that you see are like mid-level smoke and mirrors. But at the very top we’re talking about projects that are conducted by all these different people pooling their resources, pooling their information, and indeed pooling their money, which comes in incredible profusion from the Black Budget.

“How many of you have seen the book ‘BLANK CHECK’?... It is not a UFO book. I strongly recommend that you read the book ‘BLANK CHECK’ so that you can understand something about how these projects are funded without your say so, indeed without the sayso of Congress. Most citizens don’t know for example that the National Security Act of 1947 made it illegal to ever say how much money is spent on the CIA. Indeed all of our tremendous alphabet soup collection of Intelligence Agencies. Whether your talking about the CIA, or the NRO, or the NSA or the DIA, etc., all of them are in the same category.

"You cannot say how much these things cost. All you can do if you want to find out is add-up the numbers on the Budget (which is presently at a deficit of well over 4 TRILLION dollars - Branton) that aren’t assigned to anything that actually means anything. There are these huge categories that have tens of billions of dollars in them that say nothing but ’Special Projects...’ And every year the Congress dutifully passes this bloated budget that has some $300,000,000,000 or more with HUGE chunks of cash labeled like that - ’Special Projects,’ ’Unusual Stuff.’ - Ten billion dollars. O.K., well where does the ’unusual stuff’ money go? Well, it DOES go to ’unusual stuff’, that’s for sure, and one of the places it goes is that it goes into the underground bases. Indeed TIM said recently since the publication of his book (BLANK CHECK)... MORE Black Budget money goes into underground bases than ANY OTHER kind of work.

"Now I don’t believe that 35 billion, which is the approximate size of the black budget money that you can find by analyzing the budget, I don’t think that comes CLOSE to the real figure because there is absolutely unequivocal evidence that a great deal of additional money was generated in other ways, such as the surreptitious running of guns and drugs. And one wonderful example of that is coming to light with the B.C.C.I. scandal which I hope you’ve heard of... a number of very high- ranking American officials are caught in the undertow of the BCCI tidal wave... Even though these guys are tying to pull ’fast ones’ on an immense scale they are getting caught. These things don’t always work. Indeed they are very, very vulnerable.

Indeed this whole ’end game’ is very vulnerable and that’s why they feel it requires such secrecy.


The American people wouldn’t stand for this stuff if they had the information, and that’s the reason why we have to get the information out and take it seriously because it really is a matter of our money and our future that’s being mortgaged here.

"But my friend who worked in the underground bases, who was doing sheetrock was down on, he thinks, approximately the 30th level underground... these bases are perhaps 30-35 stories deep (’ground-scrapers’ as opposed to a ’sky-scrapers’ - Branton). As I say they are not just mine shafts, these are huge, giant facilities... many city blocks in circumference, able to house tens of thousands of people. One of them, the YANO Facility (we’re told... by the county fire dept. director, the county fire dept. chief who had to go in there to look at a minor fire infraction) there’s a 400-car parking lot on the 1st level of the YANO Facility, but cars never come in
and out, those are the cars that they use INSIDE.

"O.K., so... a very interesting situation down there. Our guy was doing sheetrock on the 30th floor, maybe the 30th floor, underground. He and his crew are working on a wall and right over here is an elevator door. The elevator door opens and, a kind of reflex action you look, and he saw three ’guys’. Two of them, human engineers that he’s seen before. And between them a ’guy’ that stood about 8 to 8 1/2 feet tall. Green skin, reptilian features, extra-long arms, wearing a lab coat, holding a clip-board.

"...I tend to believe that story because, first of all because we have other stories like it, but more importantly because he walked off that job that very day. And he was getting paid a GREAT deal of money... If your basically a sheetrock kind of guy, if you can do sheetrock in a place like that then you get paid way more than standard sheetrock wages, you can count on it.

"So, he walked off that job. His buddy on that same crew turned into an alcoholic shortly after. This is an extremely upsetting thing. You know, it wasn’t like this alien jumped out and bit his head off or anything, it was just standing there for a few minutes, the doors closed. He has a feeling that that elevator was malfunctioning, otherwise he never would have seen that except by accident.

"In another incident though... at the China Lake Naval Weapons Station, up here at China Lake... near Ridgequest... they were working there on the China Lake Naval Weapons Station and walked by a hanger... They walked by a hanger as they were headed for their trucks to leave for the day. And they had parked their trucks in an unusual place, a place they didn’t normally park, because it was an extremely hot day and they wanted to keep the trucks out of the sun. So the Security had given them permission to park the trucks in a place that wasn’t normal. So they walked by a hanger that they didn’t normally walk by, and they looked in, just kind of glanced in, and saw inside a couple of grays working on something. And of course they were, you know, astonished... And an MP came running over and said: ’Hey, you can’t be here!


What are you doing here?’ And they said: ’Well, Security said we could park our trucks here.’ And (the Security Guard) says: ’Well that’s fine, but you get out of here because you’ll get yourself killed!’ So they left. But one of the young guys on that crew couldn’t leave well enough alone. The guy we’ve been talking to said, ’Look, I know what you saw, I know what I saw. I know what we saw at Haystack (Butte), it’s all for real, I know what’s going on, but don’t be a stupid jerk. Leave it alone!’

"This kid didn’t leave it alone, and very shortly thereafter he was booted off the base, and three months later he was dead under mysterious circumstances. Now of course we can’t say that he died ’because’ of this. There’s a disturbing pattern of people dying however when they see things they’re not supposed to... Michael Riconosciuto makes it very clear in his statement to us that if you go past a certain point your dead or disappear, just like that. We’ve heard that time and time again. Indeed there are a great many people on the ’inside’ who are making it clear that they would love to flee, people like these people that apparently were blown out of the sky, the Wackenhut garbage. These are trained (mercenaries) who have seen things they cannot stand, things that turn their stomach, things that make them want to grab evidence and flee for their lives. And they were blown out of the sky, probably by something equivalent to a stinger missile or something like that. And there are lots of people who want to get out.

"Just an example of the way these people talk, one of them said to us, ’I would trade my $100,000.00 a year salary for a job at McDonald’s if I could get out alive. There’s a certain despair there, a certain feeling of entrapment. You see there are the people who know what’s going on and who have created this agenda and have ’bought-into’ it entirely, they are enrolled in it, and they believe that they are indeed the ’Olympians’. They have to employ lots of normal humans like us to do the sheetrocking, to do the grubwork, and those people are in a very bizarre catch-22, because they are given the promise of a salary that they never believed possible. You know... they’re going to paint walls all day and they’re going to take down a hundred grand a year, this is unusual.


That’s the up-side of the deal. The down side of the deal is (you know, and they make it very clear)... all these people who get these high security clearances are subjected to INCREDIBLY intimidating indoctrination and intimidation processes... they really do subject these people to tremendous pressure, tremendous intimidation, indeed they do inflict great violence on people (on whom) they ’need’ to. They make ’examples’ of people..."

In one sense, there is a growing division taking place between the Constitutionalists of America and the ’Alien’ controlled segments within the underground bases. This would also include their human ’pawns’ who will apparently do anything, even murder their fellow man, in order to continue receiving the technological ’benefits’ from their alien masters, to whom they have ’sold’ themselves and whose agenda of control and subversion they are serving, whether knowing or unknowingly.