Political and Economic Sciences in the University of
Foreign Relations and International Strategy
in the University of Georgetown in Washington D.C.
Propaganda in Patris Lumumba of Moscow
He started his career as an assistant and
nowadays as professor consultant of the supreme military commander of NATO. Most of his time he is in Brussels and the last 1.5
years he has written 4 books which had big success.
We all know that countries are being guided from its political and
military leaderships. Big countries and small do exist and also the
small countries have dependency from the big ones. Despite this in your
books you mention two international decision making centers which in
your opinion are above the countries and ideologies. Could you be more
specific at that point?
It may sound exaggerated but the people in our days are being guided by
our political and military leaderships according to the orders of the
two global centers-Trilateral Commission and the renowned
Bilderberg Club. This marks a new status and it is not
something that happened in the past, in which the world was ruled by the
ideologies. It is known that the ideologies were being used every time
as a way to control the people. But the conflicting ideologies were
creating also many warfare. Therefore until some time we had alliances
between countries. The last years we have seen a change in the global
scenery. Everything has been globalize. The world has become a global
Therefore it urged the necessity for global decision making centers.
From this point of view the planetarchy, if we call it like this,
will be the politics of the 21st century. This necessary margins the
governments of the various countries which are now dependent from those
international centers. Today we see that the profits are now the ones
that determine the destinies of the countries. The world is already
being ruled by substitutes of those two centers. The task of the today's
governments is to keep safe the 93% of the international wealth. This
means the wealth that those two centers manage.
What is exactly the Bilderberg Club and what the Trilateral Commision? The Bilderberg Club is an international decision
making center which took its name from the hotel of the Dutch town
Oosterberg where its first convention took place in 1954.It does have as
headquarters Hague in Holland. In its conventions we would say that take
part the protagonists and the supernumary. The supernumary
are something like visitors-speakers and they are only allowed to speak
a few minutes and always in the first day of the convention. The
Guidance Committee of the Club is consisted by Americans and Europeans
from the developed countries, never has joined a person from the
The Club is consisted by persons with conservative aberrations such as
Giovanni Agnelli, Luns, Rothschild etc. The
president of the Bilderberg Club is today James Callahan ex-prime
minister of England and his assistant is the ex-General Secretary of NATO, Lord Carrington. You must remember that in 1993
the Club has met in Greece, in "Asteras" hotel of Bouliagmeni. The Bilderberg Club controls today 33% of the global wealth.
Some members of the Bilderberg Club without having
departed from it officially have established in June of 1973 a more
developed part the Trilateral Commission with leader the
president of the Chase Manhattan Bank, D. Rockefeller. From that
time the members of the Trilateral Commission do operate parallel but
somewhat above the Bilderberg Club as a Center of Research
and Analysis. From the founding members of the Trilateral Commission are
Cyrus Vance and Warren Christopher. President is D.
Rockefeller and executive manager is Zbigniew Brzezinski. The
Trilateral Commission manages the 60% of the international
From where do those centers have such power? It think that it is obvious that they take the power from the
international wealth they have in their hands and from the appointive
presidents or prime ministers -which are in the majority technocrats-
which they do control and until some point do guide.
But how is possible the selection of the proper persons? Are there
any persons that accept to be the dependent leaders of their countries? This is a reasonable question but the human ambition does not have
any limits. There exist skillful people that in order to rise from the
rank at the top of their country’s leadership do not mind for the means
that will be used and also for the consequences. The selection for the
suitable persons to serve the two centers is being made after checked
information which have collected analysts of the NSA with
the help of organizations such as CIA, DIA
and DEA. The deductions which have extracted the analysts
of the NSA are being transferred in the end to the Guidance
Committee of the Bilderberg Club. The Committee does meet
secretly and the conclusion is sealed in a special envelope which is
then given to the presidency of the Bilderberg Club and
the Trilateral Commission. Almost 99% the presidencies do approve the
decision. The qualifications of the candidates are very fluid, I mean at
first elastic consciousness or if you want plasticity to comply to the
international decision making center. Another element which is being
controlled is that they must not disturb the global balance. This must
because it has nothing to do with the balance of the world but from the
balance of the profit rates. Virtually they globally prefabricate the
of the two international centers funds.
But didn’t that happen also in the past? In the past if someone was a prime minister or a president would
have come to a conflict with the great powers he would have been
characterized as ’troublemaker’ and underminer of the liberty and then
would have been vanished politically or biologically. Today the
politicians are dependent of some needs which do not allow them to
commit any independent moves. You have seen in the recent Germany
elections-which happened together with our council elections-that the
French were the ones that were celebrating the victory of Kohl.
And this because the Mark is supporting the French franc. There is no
more any freedom in the leaders. As you likewise are probably obliged to
some friends that you have to take into consideration in your moves and
Could you give as an example?
Let’s make an hypothesis that for example this or the next Greek
government had the will the Albanian and Turkish problem and the dispute
of Greece with Skopje for the name Macedonia. What would
they do? Just 300 men are enough to invade into the Aktio base
in Preveza which belongs to the NSA and then
every problem would be solved. Because if this base would be
occupied every electronic control in the Balkans and Turkey would be
paralyzed. But such a movement needs much courage.
Which are the methods the structure and the groups of the global
decision making centers?
The methods that are being used are simple: I promote you as a
president, prime minister, military leader; you satisfy your vanity and
have ethical and economical profits, in return you have to blindly obey
us. If not we destroy you with the
method of corruption or the forced resignation or the assassination. At
least this is what happened till now.
What tendencies do appear those centers today? In our days you can see a tendency for renewal. And therefore it was
decided in the last Bilderberg meeting to give to the
people 2% percent more from the international wealth, something that the
old ones did not accept. There are conflicts
between the groups of the conservative and the more liberals. But i
believe the last will in the end dominate.
The last years humanity watched anxiously the falldown of the Soviet
Union. Which dynamics have lead to this falldown and what is its deepest
meaning? The falldown of the Soviet Union is a case that started virtually in
1973 from the Trilateral Commission and a part of the
Bilderberg Club. The members who left the Bilderberg Club
and formed the Trilateral Commission used the tactics of shock and have
enforced with their will the breakup of the Soviet Union to the
Bilderberg. This was made possible because in the Summer of 1973
,in the 30 July specifically the Trilateral Commission was controlling
the 60% of the global wealth with their its bank which is the World
Bank. So it became the dominator of the game.
The meaning of the Soviet Unions falldown is to prove internationally
the failure of the Communistic ideology and present
it as a system that is inhuman. Besides this because the population of
the earth is growing the extra 2% that will be given to the people will
be granted to the Soviet Union from the mining of their geological
wealth. The soviet people must
be educated as a consuming citizen like the western one. In order to
control those people many new countries will be created that will not
have constant peace.
What is the role of the International Numismatic Fund? The International Numismatic Fund is a branch of the
World Bank. Today the majority of the countries are
obligated to borrow mounts of money that they cannot get from private
capital or from other countries. This necessity occurs either because
the management of the public resources was not successful either because
the 5 years plan did fail or because
there is interior turmoil etc. There exist of course also politicians
that redeem the sympathy of the people by offering them temporal
material comforts and asking from them the minimum of their possible
efforts. They do this of course with money they take from the national
budget that should be normally given to development projects. In any way
the point is that sometimes countries reach to a dead end.
On this occasion the INF does exploit the circumstances
and acts like this: it grants a pre-approval of the loan to those
countries but with its own conditions. This means that you will get the
loans from the banks, that all are controlled by the World Bank, if you
take these and these measures which are almost every time unsociably.
This has as a result turmoil in the society. The government are in a
phase of delirium. In order to calm down the turmoil even more money
must be given. In this way that do finally get totally controlled from
Let’s take for example the Greek education system. 60% of the Education
Ministry outlays are coming from loans of the INF. So it
is not at all odd that from the 150.000 kids only 40.000 do enter the
public universities. All the above explain
also why the public works in our country always begin but never end.
What are the global decision making centers most afraid of? One is the soft spot of the global leaders-even if this sounds
impossible-and this lies in their constant fear whether someday the
people wake up and demand the wealth that they hold. The same happened
in the ex-Soviet Union. The NSA had information that some
persons lead the millions of soviets to a revolution in order to get the
deducted of more than 70 years money. They were informed about this
movement in time and they prevented it by dismembering the country.
You mentioned before an enormous in power organization, the NSA. Yes, exactly. The NSA (National Security Agency) was
founded in the 4th November of 1952 by the president Truman and
it has its headquarters at Fort Mead of USA. It has more than 2.000.000
agents and scientists from all over the world. There is no committee in
the Congress, not even any laws that control their activities. In
reality there is not even an act that confirms its establishment. There
exist only documents to protect her. The security rate is very high and
its electronic equipment is unique in the world and it has the most
perfect computer center in the world. Its computers are gathering and
analyzing daily all the information from the hundreds of monitoring
stations that are on the whole planet and in this way they oversee the
telecommunications of both the friendly and enemy countries.
The Greek part of the NSA network is the american base of
Aktio. It is equipped with tenths of satellites which are
for example monitoring the movements of the Serbs or of Sadam and
in little seconds they inform the headquarters of the
If you ask someone which is the biggest secret service in the world, he
will mention the CIA, DIA or KGB.
the NSA has cultivated the impression for long time that
the secret services of USA that do everything are CIA and
An enormous amount of books and articles have been used to write for
these secret services. But for the NSA no one has
ever written something. In reality those services are executive organs
of the NSA which from its side is the executive
organ of the two global decision making center that we mentioned before
the Bilderberg Club and the Trilateral Commission.
Moreover the NSA is the politicians manufacturer (of
presidents and prime ministers) always according to the orders of the
two global centers. It does redeem geniuses from all over the world, it
is said that it is the inventor of the infections of the today world and
of many more things that is impossible to hold the simple human mind.
How can somebody
manufacture politicians? Well to construct or the opposite! There is a committee of
politician manufacturing whose president is D. Rockefeller with
vice president Richard Foren whose is the leading consultant of General
Electric. Members of this committee is Henry Kissinger, Alexander
Haig , Toshio Nakamura, Edmond Rothschild, Giovanni
Agnelli, Cyrus Vance, Charles Dunkan ex-president of
Coca-Cola and Helmut Schmidt. The politicians that are going to
be presidents or prime ministers are being approved or disapproved by
the above council which meets once a month in the central building of
the NSA. When the candidate person gets approved or disapproved the
brainwash from the Mass Media begins. Money is being given from the
Central Banks to establish a party etc. On the same time the other
secret services take orders so that the plan of the NSA is carried out.
What do you see in the near future? Will the status remain as it
exists or will there be changes in the world? I think that the changes will begin from the area of Saudi
Arabia, changes that will have an effect on the whole
international scene. In this occasion the fragile balance of the oil
cartels will be altered because 3-4 oil wells of Aramco’s
cartel will be bombed. This will mean a raise in the prices of petroleum
products. The cartels for one or two years will have a problem in
their profit rates.
In this occasion Greece with its oil can play a leading
role. Here we will have a repeat of the Onasis phenomenon which
came recently in public with all its twisted situations. This time Greece can play a leading role in Europe because its economic
strength of oil will allow it to be the 3rd power in the European Union.
I mean that England will loose its oil wells in the Black Sea, which
belong to BP and Shell, at the same time
with the coup d’etat in Saudi Arabia. It is very possible that
the geographic borders of Greece with Turkey, Skopje and Albania will
change and also the borders of Germany and Poland (Oderneisser line). England will loose Scotland because the
Scottish autonomists will be the ones that will blow its oil wells. From
the time IRA has made an agreement with England a part
from it will go to the Scottish autonomists. Being in high pressure and
after having passed the economic convulsion which will lead to the
global shock we mentioned before the world’s economy will make an
opening to China. China of course will ask something for return.
An exchange could be India. What does this mean? It means that it will
be allowed to China to invade with an artificial subterfuge to in India.
The Bilderberg Club will supply India and the Trilateral
Commission will renew the armor of China. In this war ,in order
to reduce the world’s population, the neutron’s bomb will be used.
Something that the general of the once NATO’s Army
Alexander Haig was fighting off and therefore in 29th June of 1979
they tried to assassinate him. If things happen like this the
consequences will drag along Pakistan and Turkey, which will split up in
two pieces, Eastern and Western part. In this occasion Tansu Ciller
will put Turkey in the European Union.
Taking this opportunity i should tell you that within the vast changes
that will happen in the near future is a step-up of the Ecumenical
Patriarchate of Constantinople. I mean that it will play a more
important role than today. Already Ciller has ready a draft of
law for the Turkish parliament if the conditions allow it, according to
it the Patriarchate will become a separated state, something like the
Vatican for example.
Except of exploiting the global wealth where else do target the two
global decision centers? Isn’t it a little bit
unreasonable to say that a small group of humans does affect and control
almost all the countries on earth? How do they manage not to loose the
control from their hands?
Let’s make something clear. Everyone that is in either the
Bilderberg Club or in the Trilateral Commission is
just representative of the global cartels. Allied cartels choose some
persons to represent them in the above decision making centers. Their
opinion for the international trend they will follow is determinant
according to the the cartel they represent. Besides cartel people the
only thing that they understand is profit rates. The people that consist
those decision making centers just bring gold to those cartels. Few
exceptions of members such as Rockefeller, Mitsubishi etc. are
just bright exceptions or as it was before in the Trilateral
CommissionPol Ostin the boss of Coca-Cola that during
all talking and resolutions was sleeping !
Therefore the Bilderberg Club and Trilateral
Commission propose to the people of the cartels such as
Rockefeller, Hunt etc. the international politics that they
The second part of your question has this answer. In 1963 the Kennedy’s
tried to reduce the tension between USA and the USSR and to stop the war
in Vietnam. But the cartels had budgeted that they would collect a large
amount of billions of dollars with the continuation of the
investments in armor and the war. John Kennedy knew that they
would kill him. He decided to get sacrificed because of his illness (an
old injury in the back bone which caused horrible pains) and believed
that they would stop there. They took out of the hook also
Robert Kennedy that would certainly win the next elections and would
stop the war. Nixon dared to reduce the dispute this means that
he did not continue the war till 1978 but did stop him at 1973.Therefore
they involved him in the Watergate scandal and they sent
him home. So the control and the guidance is in their hands.
The two global centers except from the ’legal’ governments do have also
persons involved in matters that have nothing to do with politics. They
are bankers, ship-owners, industrialists and higher state officials.
They collect every information they get and they transmit it to
the centers. There the resolutions and the proposals follow. After the
proposals the falldown and as a last solution the death.
How can the humans react to this totalitarianism? What hopes do
exist? The only thing that the two global centers are afraid is the World’s
public Opinion. If the citizens of the countries get informed and
realize that they are not governed by their politicians they will maybe
learn to react. This reaction can take many variations. For example if
they deny to work for specific circles of interests. Then the pressure
is obvious. They do take it seriously in mind. Then they will take
governments up and down. Bring the army in the sidewalk but if they
make sure that there is no solution the Leading Committee is
directly being resolved which must give new guide lines. It is obvious
that the previous Leading Committee must resign immediately and a
new one must be elected.
Are there opponent groups that want the people to wake up? There are secret groups which came out from the global decision
making centers themselves am paid by the NATO to be
against monopolies against the big bosses themselves. This luxury does
allow the proselytism of other colleagues or people from the cartels so
that they finally get persuaded that instead of having profits 1
trillion dollars a year to have something lower. But this bare
difference can give good to thousands of families. A few such persons do
exist and act against those two global centers. One of them is
Oppenheimer the son, that is at this time in Moscow and lives in the
eastern part of the city.
His father lives in the western part. The son Oppenheimer is against the
power structure. He agrees to reduce (very barely of course) his profit
rates. His father doesn’t. Let us note here that his father convinced
the Bilderberg Club and the Trilateral Commission
to bring down Gorbachev that sold the Russian diamonds for 468
dollars the karat. Then he promoted Boris Yeltsin that does sell
them for 69,7 dollars a karat. If the people of Russia does not react
they will have to wait for the Oppenheimers death because else
they will not prosper.