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Dan Woolman

I have just met with a man who has been able to substantiate certain sections of my MAJIC.TXT. You will all find the following text very interesting. In order to confirm his knowledge I performed several tests which will you will spot in the text. His revelations were not solicited, I merely asked him to read the MAJIC.TXT and call me if he wished to talk.


I met him through friends. This is the text of two meetings which I had with him. The first occurred when we were introduced. The second occurred on Christmas Eve and was the most revealing.

I attended a Christmas party given by a friend who I have known for many years. During the evening my friend took me aside and told me that a man was present that he thought I should meet. My friend told me that because of the information that I had recently released this man might be able to give me information. I asked why he thought so? My friend told me that the man had been in the Army for 21 years and was assigned to DELTA SECURITY. I was immediately interested and asked to be introduced.

My friend introduced me to a tall, lean, fit man who was in his late 60's. I was impressed with his physical fitness. His hair was grey and he stood with the bearing of one who had spent many years with the military. He was mentally sharp and showed no effects of his age.

After we had been introduced I told him that I too had spent many years in military service, the Navy. I asked him where he had been stationed. He replied that he had spent a lot of time in Colorado, Mew Mexico, Nevada, and at Edwards Air Force Base. I commented that I thought it strange that an Army man would be stationed at Edwards.

"Oh, he said, I was with Delta Security and we had a lot to do with intra-service projects."

"We provided security for several services."

I then asked him if he had ever heard of Project REDLIGHT. His eyes narrowed and he seemed uncomfortable. In fact he looked around the room as if looking for somewhere else to go.

"I may have, he replied, but you know from your Navy days that I can't discuss what I was involved with."

I told him that in a way I was involved with it also and then I told him that I was with Naval Intelligence for a time. We exchanged small talk but clearly he was uncomfortable since my mention of REDLIGHT. I excused myself then found my friend again. I asked my friend if he still had his copy of my MAJIC.TXT and if he did would he get it for me. He left the room and then came back and handed me the file.

I waited until I saw that the Ex-Army man was leaving and then went out to his car with him. I asked him if he would look at something that I would draw. He said yes but really had to leave. On the back of the MAJIC.TXT file I drew the TRILATERAL insignia. I said nothing. He grabbed the file and asked me where I had seen the insignia. I told him I had seen it while with Naval Intelligence and asked him if he knew what it was.

"Yes, he said, it is on a piece of equipment. Do you know what the equipment is?"

I told him that it makes no sound.

"You know then what REDLIGHT really is, he said."

I replied that I did. I told him that the papers he held was a file explaining the whole thing and that I would like him to read it and then call me if he would be willing to talk to me about his experiences. I told him that I have never revealed sources and would never reveal him as the source of the information. He looked me right in the eye and said,

"If you even tell anyone about this conversation I will call you a liar right to your face."

I told him that I understood fully. I asked him how long he had known my friend. He said he had known him for about 7 years. I told him to ask our mutual friend about me so that he would feel more comfortable about me. He took the file and left.

A few days later he called me and asked to meet me during the day at a local park on Christmas Eve. We arranged the time and met at a picnic table at the park.

The first thing that he said was that he never wanted his name connected with anything that I ever did or said and that he never wanted to see me again after our meeting. I agreed to those terms. He then gave me his telephone number and asked me to call him if I ever thought that his identity had been compromised in any way. I agreed to that also.

I then asked him why he had agreed to talk to me about his involvement.

"For the same reason that you are talking about it, he replied, the whole thing is very grim and it won't get better."

I asked him if he wanted me to ask questions or if he would just like to narrate. He told me to ask questions and when I pulled out my tape recorder he told me not to use it because voice identification was possible. I knew that this was possible and again consented to his terms. I asked if I could take notes and he agreed to notes only.

Bill.-  Where did you see the TRILATERAL INSIGNIA that I drew for you at the party and that you saw in my file?

Man.-  On a flying saucer that I guarded at Edwards Air Force Base. I saw it again on different saucers when I was at Area 51 in Nevada.... Your file is pretty accurate as to what I know.... I was surprised by the extent of your knowledge.

Bill.-  I saw some of the information and have other sources. That file is the product of 17 years of searching. In fact a lot of it came from doing what we are doing now, just talking to people. Can you tell me how you came to see the saucer at Edwards?

Man.-  I was assigned to guard a hanger at Edwards, at the time I didn't know what was in it.

Bill.-  What was the name of the hanger?

Man.-  The hanger had no number or name. We called it the Delta hanger.

Bill.-  Can you tell me where it is located?

Man.-  It is on the North Base. Its the only hanger off by itself and no one is allowed near it without a special badge and clearance.

Bill.-  What does the badge look like?

Man.-  It is a red badge with a black triangle on the face of it and personal information on the back.... like any other ID.

Bill.-  How did you see the saucer?

Man.-  The hanger is only entered through one door. Inside the door is the guard room. On the other side of the guard room is a door that goes into an office. On the other side of the office is another door. We were not allowed out of the guard room but one night the duty officer asked me if I knew what I was guarding. I said no that it was not my job to know. He asked me if I would like to see. I thought he was checking me out and told him it wasn't necessary. He motioned for me to follow him and then took me through the office and into the hanger. I saw the saucer sitting on legs and it seemed to have jacks under it also.

Bill.-  Can you describe it for me?

Man.-  It was about 30 feet in diameter, metal but not shiny. Like tarnished silver.

Bill.-  How thick was it?

Man.-  About 15 to 18 feet thick.......It had the insignia on the underside and again on the top.

Bill.-  Did you see any openings?

Man.-  No but I only saw one side and it was only for about 3 or 4 minutes.

Bill.-  Was it round?

Man.-  Oh yes... just like the movies.

Bill.-  Were there any windows?

Man.-  There was what looked to be windows around the raised portion but I could not see inside.

Bill.-  Were they round?

Man.-  No, they were rectangular.... I also saw a groove around the saucer about 4 feet from the edge all the way around and it was on the top and bottom. There was an area on the bottom that looked like vents or louvers.

Bill.-  What did the Officer say to you?

Man.-  Only that he did not show me anything and we went back to the guard room then he left.

Bill.-  Isn't that unusual?

Man.-  Everything I did or saw on Delta was unusual. I saw people break down and cry for no reason at times. When things like that occurred you would never see that man again.

Bill.-  What happened to them?

Man.-  I don't know and didn't ask.

Bill.-  Lets deviate from this for awhile. Do you mind?

Man.-  No, I don't.

Bill.-  How did you get into Delta security?

Man.-  I was recruited into the National Recon Organization and went to Fort Carson Colorado. After a lot of training I was screened for Delta and then assigned to Delta.

Bill.-  Why did they recruit you?

Man.-  I was told that it was because I was an orphan. If something happens to someone connected to a secret project and they have family, the family could compromise the project in just trying to find out what happened to their loved one.

Bill.-  Is everyone in Delta orphans?

Man.-  Just about, either that or their family died or was killed later in life.

Bill.-  Didn't that bother you? I mean what could be so secret that they have to use orphans?

Man.-  Some of the things I've seen......The stories... especially concerning dreamland....Did you know there are bounty hunters connected with dreamland?

Bill.-  What do you mean?

Man.-  If you work at Dreamland and go on leave or pass and are not back on time or if someone doesn't come back they send bounty hunters after you....... That's where the visitors... you know what I mean... live.... there is an underground facility....... I don't think I should say anymore..... Most of the time I was there I can't even remember anyway..... We were supposed to talk about Redlight.

Bill.-  I don't remember agreeing to talk only about Redlight.... Is this a new condition?

Man.-  Yes, I don't want to talk about anything else........ I will tell you that very strange things happen at Dreamland.

Bill.-  What do you mean when you say you can't remember?

Man.-  I can't remember.... I really don't want to talk about Dreamland..... I won't talk about it.

Bill.-  Please don't tantalize me. Either talk about it or don't but don't do this to me. What else can you say about Dreamland? Can you tell me where it is?

Man.-  No, I can't talk about it. This is all very dangerous and I am married now..... I just can't take a chance.

Bill.-  Ok, tell me about Area 51.

Man.-  Area 51 is at Groom Lake in Nevada. Its the headquarters of Redlight....... The saucers are flown there. Its part of the test range... Its on the map... its just a dry lake bed with a Top Secret installation built on and around it.

Bill.-  Have you seen one fly?

Man.-  Yes, they are incredibly fast and make no noise at all.

Bill.-  Is the one at Area 51 the same as the one at Edwards?

Man.-  One was the same.... the other one I saw looks like a diamond....... like in a woman's engagement ring..... if you take the diamond out of a ring and turn it upside down...... that's what it looks like.

Bill.-  You mean literally like a diamond?

Man.-  No, but the shape is the same..... it really glows.... but only when it flies. On the ground it is the same metal as the saucer at Edwards.... when it flies it glows like the sun and sometimes changes colors.

Bill.-  How close were you when you saw it?

Man.-  Not close... no one was allowed to get close.... I think it emitted radiation because we were all required to wear dosimeters and they had to be checked daily.

Bill.-  You mean it was atomic powered?

Man.-  I don't know..... I only know there was a definite radiation hazard and our dosimeters were checked daily. We turned them in to be checked and were issued new ones every day.

Bill.-  How long did you stay at Area 51?

Man.-  The first time was for 3 months.... Nobody ever stayed more than a few months. The second time I was there was for almost 5 months..... its like wartime there were no passes while at Area 51.... we had excellent recreation facilities though.

Bill.-  I hate to press you but I would like to know more about Dreamland. My information seems to conflict with yours. I have information that the Alien base is in New Mexico, is that where Dreamland is?

Man.-  There is more than one base and I have to go now.... I should not be talking to you about anything at all. Its all too dangerous.... even more than you think..... I don't know everything but I know that its way out of control and to tell you the truth I'm afraid of what is going to happen..... Don't ask me what because I don't know but..... I know something is going to happen....... Giant underground shelters are being built under Groom Lake... and in other places. From reading your papers you know more about a lot of this than I do..... I really do have to go now... Its Christmas Eve and I live a ways off.

Bill.-  Before you go would you look over these notes and make sure they're right?

Man.-  I watched you write and its right. What are you going to do with those notes?

Bill.-  I'll make a file and release this in the form of an interview without identifying you.

Man.-  If you do I'll call you a liar.

Bill.-  I won't identify you and just so you will feel better I have never identified any of my sources. If you ever want to talk again you have my phone number.

Man.-  I don't think so.... you had better be real careful... I mean about yourself.... I really wouldn't give anyone else those notes.... You should think about it.

Bill.-  What do you think will happen?

Man.-  The same thing that has happened to ......some others....... you should just drop it..... you.... nobody can do anything.

The rest was just parting conversation. He seemed to be very sincere and very worried about what he was telling and worried about my safety as well as his own.

This is the second person who has described a saucer at Edwards, the same security badge, and reference to Dreamland keeps coming up with these people. This is the first time I have heard that there is more than one alien base and it is the first time I have heard of bounty hunters. I think the reference to a radiation hazard and the use of dosemeters is significant in view of the incident in Texas involving the two women. John Lear told me that Dreamland was at Edwards.


Personally I do not know the location. Just the name "DREAMLAND" is so far away from the normal military trend of naming projects and places that it provokes questions. I would like to point out that at one point my sources told me the alien base was at Dreamland then they told me it wasn't true and backed away from it. The name keeps cropping up in connection with the alien base.

Reference to loss of memory is also common with abductees. I found this interview to be personally disturbing.

Where possible I wrote down the questions and answers and those are written exactly as asked and as answered. At some points the conversation is reconstructed from my notes but was done as soon as I arrived home and I am certain that it is accurate. Having just met this man I have no clue as to his motives or to the accuracy of the information. However I do believe he was sincere and the range of emotions he expressed would have been difficult for even a very good professional actor.

(NOTE - A "dosemeter" is (or was when I was in service) a piece of film in a small badge that is worn by personnel when working in areas where they may be exposed to radiation. If the film is hit by a dose of radiation it is exposed. The amount of film exposure determines the exact dose of radiation.


When I was in the Strategic Air Command I had to wear one because the alert pad aircraft carried nuclear weapons. Our dosemeters were checked weekly. If the dosemeter indicated that you had been exposed to radiation then you had to go through a decontamination procedure. During my time in service my dosemeter never indicated any exposure to radiation. This explanation is offered for those of you who may not have known what a dosemeter is.)