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			NATO’s Future 
			  
				
					
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						Moderator: 
						 
							
							Henry A. Kissinger
							 
						Speakers: 
						 
							
							Etienne Davignon Richard C. Holbrooke
 Yannos Kranidiotis
 Peter Mandelson
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			THIS discussion was overshadowed by two events: the continuing peace 
			talks in Kosovo; and the European Union’s 
			announcement that it wanted to set up a defense body of its own. The 
			panellists tended to view both these developments as broadly 
			positive for both NATO and the western alliance. But 
			there were still plenty of doubts raised - particularly about 
			Europe’s relative lack of technological clout and political unity.
 
 FIRST PANELLIST
 The European Union has always had a defensive 
			component. The notion of politics and security was there at the 
			beginning of the European enterprise; and there have been questions 
			ever since about things like nuclear deterrence. As the European 
			Union enlarges and becomes more integrated, its membership will 
			become ever more similar to that of NATO, and the 
			relationship between the two bodies will change.
 
 The underlying issue is whether the aspirations correspond with the 
			reality. The aspirations of the European Union are not 
			clear. Indeed, the very fact that the European Union seems to 
			be in the process of trying to define its identity shows that it 
			does not have one. There are also neutral countries within the 
			European Union. When the Berlin Wall came 
			down, the first aspiration of many of the Eastern countries was to 
			join the European Union; instead NATO expanded 
			first.
 
 There are two realities that matter. The first is that the 
			European Union, as it becomes larger and more integrated, 
			will become a military power, whether it wants that role or not. 
			Indeed a common defense policy will correspond with the aims of the 
			defense lobbies; budgets may only be justifiable if a country is 
			contributing to a common EU force. The other reality 
			is that
 
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 America has to be involved in the Continent’s defense. Once you 
			accept those realities, you can look at issues such as what the new 
			contract between NATO and the European Union 
			ought to be. That debate should start now.
 
 SECOND PANELLIST
 In an earlier discussion, another panellist suggested that 
			Slobodan Milosevic might be the father of European integration.
			Kosovo has crystallized thinking about defense. This is a 
			good process for the European Union to go through - 
			even though it is not clear that it currently has the necessary 
			political or technological ability.
 
 Kosovo leaves us with various lessons: that American involvement is 
			essential; that an integrated military structure is the only way to 
			win a serious war; that, although NATO is a defensive 
			organisation, it must still maintain an offensive threat. The 
			question now is why we would want to change the roles of NATO 
			and the European Union. One of the main answers is 
			that we need to do so in order to keep America involved: we cannot 
			expect America to police our backyard.
 
 The new force is not an attempt to duplicate NATO, but 
			to give Europe the capacity to act in a more limited way, and to put 
			in place a decision making structure. This will strengthen the 
			European Union, but only if it has the means to reach 
			these ends. Most of Europe’s governments are weak. The convergence 
			on the centre-left could help cohesion. But there still has to be 
			more discipline. In terms of operating procedures, the new force 
			should follow the same ones as NATO; it should 
			intervene only after it has given peace a chance and when the 
			military objectives are clear.
 
 THIRD PANELLIST
 There has been a predictable series of delays at the border in 
			Kosovo. But some kind of treaty looks likely. The next 
			phase is bound to be difficult. The KLA is likely to 
			pose problems; the Serbs will inevitably play games. There is the 
			moral dilemma for the West of what to do with the war 
			criminals, and the financial one of how to pay for reconstruction: 
			the lion’s share of the reconstruction will come from
 
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 Europe. This will count as a big achievement for NATO. 
			Only a few years ago many people would have considered an operation 
			like Kosovo impossible - particularly with three new members.
 
 NATO’s first 50 years were about ensuring stability in 
			northern and central Europe, and bringing together Germany 
			and France. The next 50 years may well be about 
			southern central Europe. The cold war succeeded only in hiding the 
			nationalist impulses in the region. It will take a long time for the 
			wounds to be healed.
 
 The Clinton Administration was wrong to set time 
			limits in Bosnia. Now it should recognize that 
			Yugoslavia and the Balkans is NATO’s 
			new patch, and that the commitment there will be neither short-term 
			nor cheap. And, needless to say, this environment will impact both 
			the enlargement of NATO and how the organization deals 
			with the emerging EU defense force.
 
 FOURTH PANELLIST
 The Finnish president’s peace mission has been a great success. The 
			prospect of a peace agreement gives a new perspective to the war in 
			Kosovo. We are now returning to a multilateral European foreign 
			policy, with, hopefully, the United Nations playing a prominent role 
			and Russia not being excluded.
 
 The immediate problem is the Kosovar refugees. But the only 
			long-term guarantee of stability in the region will be when all the 
			countries concerned become members of the European Union. In the 
			meantime we have to concentrate on bringing these countries into a 
			series of proper contractual relationships with each other. There 
			also needs to be a stability pact for south-east Europe. This should 
			be built around things like a basic respect for human rights, 
			democracy and a functioning economy.
 
 One conclusion is that two roads stretch in front of NATO. 
			One leads to a new division of Europe, where the continent 
			returns to its ethnocentric ways. Under this scenario, the UN 
			is fairly powerless, Russia and China 
			are excluded, and NATO is little more than an 
			enforcer. The second road is a little closer to nineteenth century 
			Europe, with all the great powers - not just America 
			and the
 
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 European Union but Russia, China and 
			Japan co-operating. The first road leads to Clausewitz; 
			the second to Jean Monnet.
 
 DISCUSSION
 A persistent theme throughout the discussion was a skeptical desire 
			to know more - both about the new European defense force and about 
			the continuing repercussions of the war in Kosovo. The 
			first speaker set the tone by asking how the new European force 
			would fit into NATO’S command structure. Others 
			followed with questions about where the force would operate and on 
			what scale. One panellist insisted that the European Union 
			and NATO should not be rival organizations. The 
			current process was all about the European Union 
			developing a force to deal with small, local crises in Europe before 
			they became big ones. NATO had a much wider global 
			parameter, in his view, and it concentrated on problems between 
			countries, rather than ones inside them. But another panellist 
			thought that NATO could never become a world-wide 
			organization. It was hard to imagine it intervening in Rwanda, 
			even though the killing there had been on a much more savage scale.
 
 Another set of questions were inspired by the apparent growing 
			technological mismatch between the two continents. One speaker from 
			the Netherlands explained that Europe’s total defense budget is 
			around $290 billion against America’s $370 billion. But in terms of 
			effectiveness, the gap is much larger. Europe’s true spending is 
			probably a third of America’s. Like several other speakers, he 
			argued that there must be more transatlantic integration both of 
			defense forces and of defense companies. Some of the panellists 
			though that much of the gap between America and Europe could be 
			bridged by more effective spending.
 
 One international participant argued that, on the evidence of 
			Bosnia and Kosovo at least, the mismatch in 
			hardware might be smaller than the software mismatch. America, he 
			pointed out, wanted to use air power and also had the necessary 
			offensive (as opposed to defensive) aircraft to do it. The Europeans 
			seemed more comfortable with putting troops onto the ground. This 
			mis-
 
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 match he argued might help even out the hardware disadvantage. But 
			an American participant was much less confident. He did not think 
			that NATO had begun to work out how it needed to be 
			restructured for the current world. There was no longer a clear 
			enemy. Refugees were likely to be one big challenge; another was 
			nuclear proliferation. It was not just a question of changing 
			weapons, but also changing bureaucracies.
 
 A few speakers worried about how these changes within NATO 
			were going to rebound within the UN system. One 
			panellist argued that the UN needed to be 
			restructured, but he also argued that it was a vital piece of 
			international architecture. The UN was the only place 
			where global power could be legitimized. Another panellist agreed, 
			though he immediately pointed out that one of the lessons of 
			Kosovo and Bosnia was that the UN 
			could not close deals, but NATO could.
 
 An American participant echoed many other speakers when he asked 
			precisely what precedent had been set in Kosovo. One 
			panellist argued that the precedent in general was a positive one. 
			It would be easier to do again. He also thought it marked the 
			beginning of a new role for NATO, encapsulated in 
			Vaclav Havel’s claim that Kosovo was "the first 
			human rights war’’. That was an exaggeration; there were security 
			issues involved. But human rights had plainly become an issue too.
 
 Several speakers worried about what the events in Kosovo meant for
			NATO and European enlargement. One panellist argued 
			that enlargement should go ahead. The best guarantee of peace in 
			Europe was the idea that all the region’s countries could eventually 
			become members of the European family. Another Frenchman argued that
			NATO’s health should be judged by how closely Europe 
			and America stayed together. The show of unity during the war was 
			good, but NATO could not always rely on people like 
			Slobodan Milosevic to unify it so perfectly. One of the 
			panellists preferred to end on a more optimistic note. The 
			European Union and the United States were 
			together: with NATO, it was question of how, not 
			whether.
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