Jim Humble's third
career started accidentally while on a gold prospecting trip in the
jungle of Venezuela.
There, using stabilized oxygen, he improvised
an effective remedy for his colleagues who were stricken with
malaria. As curious as he had always been in his life, he returned
to his native US and wondered why the cure had worked so well.
The answers to his own questions led him to the development of a
more powerful form of oxygen therapy, chlorine dioxide, which he
Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS).
With a mission to help the human
race whatever he did, Jim made it widely available in the form of
sodium chlorite which the user 'activated' by adding lemon juice or
vinegar - and medical teams conducted 100,000 research trials in
Africa where it was found that MMS would frequently relieve the
symptoms of malaria in as little as four hours.
In this 75 minute interview, Jim talks with Project Camelot's Bill
Ryan about his life and work.
Charming, engaging and passionate, Jim
reveals his most interesting background in aerospace and mining
engineering - careers few users of MMS will be aware of - and then
goes into detail about how MMS works, his experience successfully
treating not only malaria but hepatitis, cancer and
AIDS, and his
personal spiritual and philosophical perspective on everything he
Project Camelot interviews Jim Humble
The man behind Miracle
Jim Humble - Interview transcript
Jim Humble and the Story behind MMS - Miracle Mineral Supplement
Jim Humble: ...I did things like set up A-bomb tests. I worked on
Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles. I was able to wire the first
computer-controlled machine in the United States at Hughes Aircraft
... So they called me in and had me repair the Lunar Vehicle.
[laughs] And so, did they go to the Moon or didnít they? [laughs] I
donít know whether they took it to the Moon or they took it out to
the mountains in the desert.
... He was going through the files one time and he come upon this
photograph, 8 x 10 photograph, that showed a space station on the
back side of the Moon.
... I figured: They didnít get all that gold out there. I can just
go out and get a bunch of it myself. You know. And so I started in
mining and I found out that pretty much that they did get all that
gold out there after all.
... I developed new techniques for gold recovery.
... When you have a billion dollars invested in a particular
process, it isnít likely youíre just going to change, you know. Itís
not something that they usually do.
... And these guys were really sick, and so I asked them if they
would like to try to my water purification drops that I had brought
along with me. And in four hours they were up, laughing about how
bad they were feeling just a little while before.
... Normally speaking, a person whoís given MMS will be well from
malaria in four hours. Iíve treated 2,000 people personally, and the
people Iíve trained have treated over 100,000 people.
Bill Ryan: Are you allowed to say
here on camera that MMS will cure cancer?
Jim Humble: Sure. [laughs] I can say it. MMS will cure cancer.
Start of interview
Bill Ryan: So, this is Bill Ryan from Project Camelot and this
is Friday, the 21st of November  and I am delighted to
meet Jim Humble. Jim!
Jim Humble: Itís my pleasure.
BR: Itís wonderful to meet a man whoís got good taste in
headgear. [laughter] And weíre here in southern Germany at Sasbachwalden, at a conference where Jim is speaking in a few
hoursí time. And youíve flown in from Mexico, I believe?
JH: Hermosillo, Mexico.
BR: A few days ago.
BR: Now, Jim, itís very clear that youíve had an extraordinary
life. Whatís your background? What was it that brought you to
the point when you were in Guyana? You were prospecting? Was it
JH: Prospecting for gold. Yeah.
BR: So, take us through the fast-forward of your life, and your
training, and how come you got to that point in Guyana.
JH: Well, I started, sort of, in the aerospace industries and...
I started as a technician in the aerospace industry. And I just,
as things worked out, I became a non-degreed engineer, as a
research engineer in aerospace. And I did things like set up
A-bomb tests and I...
BR: Atomic bomb tests?
JH: Atomic bomb tests. And I worked on Intercontinental
Ballistic Missiles and I worked on power generation from plasma.
Yeah, I just happened that I was in the right place at the right
time. And back in those days... and I was able to wire the first
computer-controlled machine in the United States at Hughes
You know, for a number of years there, I sort of lucked out and
worked on the edge of science on a number of different projects.
And I had a lot of fun [laughs] working on it, on the various
different projects. And so...
But, you know, the Cold War come to an end, and the aerospace
industry sort of come to an end, and so I went into mining. And
I got interested in mining - gold mining, of course, because I
was thinking that I could make a lot of money in gold mining. I
was like a lot of guys. I figured: They didnít get all that gold
out there. I can just go out and get a bunch of it myself. You
And so I started off in mining and I found out that pretty much
that they did get all that gold out there after all. And so,
But in the process of being in mining, I started working with
the various different mining techniques. And I wrote five books
on mining recovery, mainly on the recovery of gold, different
ways of leaching.
And I wrote ways of not using mercury. A lot of mining was using
mercury up to that time, and I wrote a book on how to use
mercury safely. And then I wrote a book on how you didnít need
mercury after all. [laughs] And so I just sort of got into...
And I developed new techniques for gold recovery. And I could go
into the jungle and recover gold that they had missed before
because I could recover the very, very fine particles of gold
with my particular technique. It uses nothing but water and it
makes no harsh impact on the environment because thereís no
chemicals. And it will... not only that, but it does a better
job and a lot cheaper job than the chemical operations that they
But those people who are using the chemical operations, they
donít particularly care to talk about it. So itís not something
that is easy to sell. Itís just like a lot of things. They donít
want to change, you know. People are doing something and they
donít want to change the way theyíre doing it.
BR: So your second career actually has got a lot of interesting
parallels with your third career, that the vested interests want
to keep on using the more toxic and ineffective approach.
JH: Thatís correct. There is a lot of parallels there and
thereís... It would be a real good thing for the mining industry
to use the process. Itís much cheaper, easier to set up. But
when you have a billion dollars invested in a particular
process, it isnít likely youíre just going to change, you know.
Itís not something that they usually do. And so I donít worry
about it too much.
BR: In your first career, which you had back in aerospace,
didnít you have something to do with the Lunar Module? Or the
Lunar Lander, was it?
JH: I was working at the General Motors Defense Research
Laboratories in Santa Barbara at the time. And they had taken
the Lunar Vehicle up there to get it ready to be loaded on the
ship going to the Moon, of course. And there was some parts
inside of it that was broken. And I donít know, minor, tiny
accident, but there was a few wires that were broken and
everything. And I happened to be an electronic technician, and
they knew I was, so they called me in and had me repair the
Lunar Vehicle. [laughter]
And so, I just got to work on it. And it was kind of
interesting, what they were doing. And did they go to the Moon
or didnít they? I donít know [laughs] whether they took it to
the Moon or they took it out to the mountains in the desert. But
I assume that they took it to the Moon.
BR: We actually heard from one of our whistleblowers that both
of the stories were correct, that some of the missions went to
the Moon, some did not. Some of the photographs were real and
some were not. Itís a real mixed bag.
JH: Yeah. Right. I remember that flag, you know, waving.
[laughter] So youíre never... of course, there wasnít any air on
the Moon, so the flag really shouldnít have been waving.
BR: There were all kind of things, cross-hairs behind the image,
anomalies. Didnít you say that you were working in the room with
a colleague who saw something interesting at one point?
JH: Well, yes, I did. I had friend who was working at JPL, Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, which was doing all of the Moon work at
that time. And he was a draftsman and he had, well, he had the
right to go into the various different secret files to get
material out for his drafting, whatever it was that he was
BR: He had the level of clearance.
JH: He had the level of clearance, yeah. And so he was going
through the files one time and he come upon this photograph, 8 x
10 photograph, that showed a space station on the back side of
the Moon. And it was far enough from the Moon that you could see
the station and yet you could see that it was the Moon.
And it was pretty obvious to him that it was not the type of
construction that the United States would do. In other words, it
wasnít the type of construction that JPL would do, because heís
familiar with all that. He was designing things along those
lines, so he was familiar with what JPL did and didnít do. And
the construction that he saw on the Moon was totally foreign to
BR: So he said to you: Hey Jim. Look what Iíve just seen. Look
JH: Thatís right. He didnít show it to me. He didnít bring it
out. He just told me. He told me about it, explained it at the
BR: Thatís a pretty interesting story. Someone should make a
movie of your life. [laughter] That would be quite a story.
Youíve had several careers in there, havenít you?
JH: Well, I donít know how interesting it would be, but it would
be very interesting to me. [laughs]
BR: What would be wonderful here... I know thereís an enormous
story you told, which you have told before. But for the benefit
of people who arenít familiar with your work, can you give a
brief summary, if itís possible, of your discovery - if
discovery is the right word - of the Miracle Mineral Supplement
known all over the world as MMS, what it does, and how it was
that you came to develop this?
JH: Well, I was a gold prospector in South America, and a couple
of my men came down with malaria. And so... we were quite a ways
out in the jungle and there was no way to get any malaria drugs,
and we had not previously believed that there would be any
malaria in that area. So we had no malaria drugs.
And I sent a couple of runners off to a local mining operation.
But it was going to take them a day to get there and a day to
get back, and thatís a long time without a malaria drug when
youíre pretty darn sick. And these guys were really sick.
And so I asked them if they would like to try my water
purification drops that I had brought along with me. And they
said they were willing to try anything.
They were very sick. They had all the symptoms. They were laying
in bed and they were... they had a high fever, and they were
shivering, and they had pains in their joints. And they had
nausea. They were throwing up. They had extreme headache. They
were just in bad shape.
And so I give them a... I give each one of them a glass with quite
a few drops of the purification liquid. And in four hours they
were up, laughing about how bad they were feeling just a little
while before. And they ate dinner that night, normally, and they
went to work the next morning.
And the next day a couple more of them came down, and the same
thing happened. They were treated for malaria in the same way,
of course, and they were well.
And after that I traveled through the jungle, and I treated a
lot of people in the jungle in South America, which was the
country of Guyana. And I became pretty well known in that part
of the jungle because I treated a lot of people.
It didnít always work at that time. I had not done any work with
it, and so, sometimes it didnít work and so... But I still
became well known. And finally I went into the city and started
treating people in the city. And that wasnít the thing to do.
The government stopped me at that time.
BR: The government in Guyana.
JH: The government in Guyana stopped me because several American
drug companies called down there and said, told them, that if
they didnít stop ďthe guy that was curing malariaĒ that they
were going to stop shipping drugs to the local hospital.
And the reason why I know that is because I had... a friend that
I had made when I first got there was the guy that was directly
under the president of the country. And he said, he told me,
thatís what happened, and they had no choice but they had to
make me stop because they couldnít afford to have their hospital
not have drugs. And so that was the situation.
BR: Mm hm.
JH: Anyhow, I went back to the United States and I started
working on it, trying to figure out what was in it that caused
the malaria to be cured. And I finally realized... What I was
using was a solution that is being sold in all the health food
stores and had been on the shelves of health food stores for
like 75 years in the United States. And itís called stabilized
And so, thatís what I was using - stabilized oxygen. And I
started working with it. And I sent it over to friends that I
made in Africa, and they were trying it out on people who had
malaria over there and telling me by email how it was working.
And so they cured a lot of people.
And in the process, I was working out ways of making it work
better and better. So we finally got to the point where it was
curing everybody that they treated. There wasnít any failures.
And so, at that point, I didnít figure that it needed to get any
better. And so, I have been working with it the same way.
Now, stabilized oxygen has been used, and people have been
talking about oxygen, and how wonderful it was to have the
oxygen and stabilized oxygen. Itís been in books and on the
internet, and so forth.
But the fact is, there is no useful oxygen in stabilized oxygen.
chlorine dioxide is what is available in stabilized oxygen,
and there is no oxygen thatís available. So, they have been
confused all that time. And that might be one of the reasons why
it never got really developed into a... to the point that it
would really cure everything that it treated.
However, that was the basics of the development of Miracle
Mineral Supplement of the 21st century.
BR: And it was... Basically what you did then, was you figured
out a more powerful delivery mechanism of the chlorine dioxide
that the stabilized oxygen was delivering in the first place.
JH: Yeah. It was a simple thing, although it took me about a
year to figure it out. But any good chemist would have probably
figured it out in the first day. But my chemistry was limited to
metallurgy, and so, a lot of chemistry I really didnít
understand. So it took me a while to realize what to do to it.
But the simplicity of it was, you simply add some vinegar or
some lemon juice, and the acid in the vinegar or the lemon juice
releases the chlorine dioxide. And that is what does the work Ė
Now, chlorine dioxide is not the same as chlorine. And everybody
gets really, really afraid of chlorine dioxide when they hear
what it is. But it isnít the same as chlorine at all. It doesnít
create the chemicals that chlorine creates in the body or in
water purification systems.
Chlorine will create, in most any water purification system,
several carcinogenic, you know, cancer-causing chemicals. But
chlorine dioxide does not.
And itís... chlorine dioxide is as different chlorine as table
salt is different from chlorine. Table salt is sodium chloride,
and so, itís made from chlorine. So itís quite different from
chlorine, and itís very, very effective in the body.
BR: Now, I know a little bit about oxygen therapies, and
hydrogen peroxide in particular. Does it work in a similar way
to hydrogen peroxide therapy?
JH: Well, it does work in a similar way, but it works in a... It
is a less powerful oxidizer than hydrogen peroxide.
Hydrogen peroxide will oxidize many things that chlorine dioxide
will not oxidize, which sort of makes chlorine dioxide an ideal
oxidizer for the body. It doesnít have the power to oxidize the
healthy cells of the body, or the beneficial bacteria in the
body, or a lot of the tissues of the body.
So, while hydrogen peroxide can oxidize a lot of things,
chlorine dioxide oxidizes a very limited number of things. And
so, the limit itís limited to is so ideal. It will only oxidize
pathogens. Thatís the things that cause disease in your body. It
only oxidizes the pathogens. And it wonít oxidize any of the
beneficial things in the body.
So you donít really have to worry about it. Thereís no side
effects from it. Thereís nothing to build up with it. It turns
into... after itís in the body for about 2, 3, 4 hours, it turns
into a chloride. Guess what. Thatís table salt.
And it turns into such a small amount of chloride that it is not
anything that you can worry about. Itís maybe two or three
grains of table salt from a dose of chlorine dioxide, and thatís
all it is. So it leaves nothing behind to cause any kind of side
effects, or nothing to build up, to cause side effects.
BR: OK. Now, for people whoíve heard about MMS but who arenít
scientifically minded, what can you say about what youíre
reasonably sure it can do? When you say it kills pathogens, you
mean it kills harmful viruses and bacteria?
JH: Thatís right.
BR: How does it single those out?
JH: The pathogens... In the body, those things that cause
diseases Ė pathogens - are anaerobic.
Now, most everybody understands that thereís aerobic and
anaerobic bacteria in the body. And the anaerobic bacteria,
anaerobic microorganisms, are the ones that do the damage - the
The aerobic are oxygen-using bacteria, and they are much more
powerful. Theyíre much stronger than the disease-causing
anaerobic microorganisms. So the anaerobic microorganisms are
the guys that cause all the trouble, and theyíre the weak
organisms. Theyíre not strong.
Just to give you an example of an idea, most people have been
out in the woods, and theyíve seen the fungus growing on the
trees. Well, thatís anaerobic. And you can walk up to the tree
and knock the fungus off because itís very weak. It donít have
the power that the trees, which are using the oxygen, have -
theyíre strong and healthy. But the fungus is very, very weak.
And itís the same way in your body. The pathogens that donít use
oxygen are very weak. And so, when you put the chloride dioxide
in the body, itís a weak oxidizer, so it can single out the
pathogens. Because itís a weak oxidizer, it only has enough
power to oxidize the pathogens.
Now, one thing about it is, although itís a much weaker oxidizer
than the other oxidizers like ozone and hydrogen peroxide,
although itís much weaker, it has a much greater capacity. It
can oxidize a lot more. Itíll oxidize twice as much as ozone, or
2-1/2 times as much as ozone, but it canít oxidize as many
different things as ozone. It can only oxidize a few things, but
those few things that it does oxidize, it oxidizes with a great
deal of power.
Itís sort of like... Chlorine dioxide is an explosive, not only
in large quantities, where it will blow your building apart, but
itís explosive in small quantities. To those things it can
oxidize, itís explosive, and it will do that.
And so, while Iím mentioning that, I will just mention to you
that the way it kills a pathogen is, it blows a hole in the
skin. Now, the normal antibiotic that you take, that antibiotic
has to be built just for the particular pathogen itís going to
kill, because it has to go inside, and it has to make the
nucleus quit working properly.
BR: Mm hm.
JH: But chlorine dioxide blows a hole in the side. And, because
it blows a hole in the side, there is no possibility of any
pathogen ever developing a resistance to chlorine dioxide.
Now, chlorine dioxide kills viruses in a slightly different way.
Instead of that method, and instead of going in and trying to
kill the nucleus of the virus, it prevents the formation of
special virus proteins. And, of course, if the proteins canít
form, in a very short period it results in the death or the
destruction of the virus.
So, it kills both bacteria and viruses. It also kills fungus,
and several of the other types of pathogens that are in the body
BR: It will kill parasites as well?
JH: And it kills parasites. It kills all kinds of parasites and
it kills them fast. Because, for example, malaria is caused by a
parasite. And, normally speaking, a person whoís given MMS will
be well from malaria in four hours. I mean, the worst disease of
mankind is well from malaria in four hours.
And it isnít like we ďthinkĒ it works. Iíve treated 2,000 people
personally. And the people Iíve trained have treated over
100,000 people. And in that 100,000, normally youíd find 400
people that died. Normally in 100,000 people who get malaria,
400 people would be dead. And there were no deaths reported in
that 100,000 at all.
So it really works well with malaria, and thatís parasites. And
there are a lot of other parasites that weíve treated as well.
BR: Even large parasites?
JH: Even large parasites. Even worms.
JH: When we were treating the people in the villages in Africa,
ever so often weíd get one kid or a guy and he would cough up a
lot of worms, as... you know, as big around as an orange almost.
So, it will kill the big ones as well.
BR: So the trials that youíve done against malaria, where you
said you trained somebody or a team who cured 100,000 people,
this was in Africa?
JH: In Africa. Yes.
BR: Whereabouts in Africa?
JH: Well, it was both in Kenya and Uganda... some missionary,
large missionary, operation in Kenya and Uganda. And then there
was guys who I give the material to, MMS to, and they went to
Sierra Leone. And then, quite a few people in Tanzania treated.
And then, of course, Iíve treated a number of them in Malawi.
All of these countries are in Africa, if you donít recognize
BR: And what happens in those countries when word starts to
spread that a scourge like malaria is getting handled so easily?
JH: Well, usually a lot of other people come in. But,
unfortunately, things happen that sort of slow things down. One
thing happened - thereís a couple of missionaries decided I was
evil. And so they told all the missionaries in the area that I
was evil, and so that sort of slowed things down. They actually
quit using the MMS. And so, many people who wanted to be treated
didnít get treated.
BR: Because you were a threat to the power structure.
JH: Maybe that was it. I donít know. They just decided.
Actually, what happened is, one of the nurses came to me. She
had a lot of pain in her hand. And I just put my hand on her
hand, and I said:
Can you feel my fingers. You know? And she
And I said: Feel my fingers. And I said it about 3 times.
And she said: Oh, the painís going away. I can feel it tingling.
And this missionary come running over and said: Stop that! Stop
it. Stop it. And she... I donít know. She decided that I was
BR: That implies that youíve actually got healing hands to some
degree, do you think?
JH: Well, no, but I developed a technique for healing by touch.
I call it Touch Healing. And the basic theory of Touch Healing
is that your brain controls all the healing in your body. And
so, if you can increase the communication between the brain and
the area thatís bad, it will heal faster. And it can heal in
minutes sometimes... not always, but it often can.
And... somewhat, a little bit like Reiki, but not really. And
the idea is that, as you develop pain in your wrist, the brain
donít like the pain, so it starts turning off the communication.
And the worse the pain gets, the least communication. And so
now, if you can get that communication going better, the pain
will heal faster. It works pretty good. [laughs]
BR: And what response have you had from the orthodox medical
establishment? Because the statistics sound pretty impressive.
JH: Well, it depends on where youíre at. In the United States,
the medical establishment there is pretty much against MMS.
I had a millionaire who was willing to put up enough money to
treat the entire country of Haiti, and so I went there with the
idea of doing that. And I tried to communicate with the people
there, and I talked to all of the missionaries there. And every
one of them was connected with a doctor in the United States. And
in every case, they called the doctor in the United States, and
he says: Donít have anything to do with it.
So, quite a few of them were enthused about doing it, but when
their doctor told them not to they didnít have any... So, the
medical establishment in the United States, for the last couple
of years, has not been very receptive to it.
But, on the other hand, Iím in Mexico now. And there the doctors
have been helping me. A non-profit civil association was formed
and a number of doctors have put their names to it. And weíve
started doing clinical trials for AIDS and hepatitis C and
cancer. And those trials have been going pretty good.
And we have a guy whoís head of the prison system there. Heís
also helping us. So, weíve had... And the local hospital has
agreed to give us 300 blood tests for free. And so, weíve been
out to treat the local Indians in the various tribes near there.
And itís gone much better in Mexico than itís gone in the United
States, although thereís a lot of bottles of MMS being sold in
the United States. Thereís at least 15,000 bottles a month being
sold in the United States right now.
BR: Are you allowed to say here on camera that MMS will cure
JH: Sure. [laughs] I can say it. MMS will cure cancer.
BR: OK. Thatís a wonderful thing for a lot of people to hear.
What statistics have you got on that, realistically, for people
who might literally feel theyíve got their lives at stake here?
Is there a good chance?
JH: Thereís a good chance, in my opinion. You know, Iíve treated
a few hundred people in Mexico. Some of them were cancer
patients. Iíve treated over the telephone, when people call me
and I set up treatments for them over the telephone, at least
2000 people over the telephone. And Iíve probably treated by
email another 4000 people. And I have a lot of stories of people
who have been cured of cancer.
I can give you... There was a gal down in Australia who had lung
cancer, and the doctor had given her, said: Youíre going to die
in about 2 weeks. And she, of course, was in bed, and she wasnít
able to get out of bed except they would get her out to go to
the bathroom and things like that.
And so, her doctor heard of MMS and brought it to her. He said:
Youíd just as well take this as not. Youíre going to be dead
soon anyway. You know.
And she said: Of course, she was willing to take it, what the
hell? And in 11 days she was up walking around. And in 15 days,
she got in her car and drove it down to the lake and walked
around a small lake. And before the month was out, she was back
teaching school. She wasnít completely cured at that time, but
since that time, of course, sheís been completed cured.
Just the other day, not more than a month ago, my friend who
works with me there in Mexico, his uncle got cancer. And he got
worse and worse, and he was finally in bed. And it was a
pancreatic cancer. And so, he said: I want to go treat my uncle.
And I said: Sure, go treat your uncle.
And so, he got on the plane and he flew to another Mexican city
where his uncle was. And his uncle was lying in bed, totally
depressed, would hardly even talk to him. And so he says: Here,
IĎm going to give you some stuff to take. And he just handed it
to him and said: Drink it. [laughs]
And then he did a whole protocol that we have, which is putting
the MMS on the outside of the skin, and several other things.
And by the next morning, he got up out of bed and walked around
And by the third day he quit taking the pain tablets. And thatís
generally the first thing that really is a good sign, and most
always, almost always, happens with cancer patients, is within 2
or 3 days they quit taking the pain tablets. And so he quit
taking the pain tablets. And by the end of the week he was
talking about going back to work.
Now, when I left Mexico, he wasnít totally cured, but that guy
was up, living his life again at least.
BR: And it works because chlorine dioxide heads straight for
anything thatís anaerobic and basically just explodes it.
JH: Thatís right.
BR: And cancer cells are anaerobic.
JH: Yes. But thereís a little bit more to it than that with
cancer. You see, we put it on the skin. And we use
a particular material that soaks into the skin. Now, itís used
by people to treat horses all over the world, and itís used for
treating a lot of animals. And a lot of people have used it,
BR: Whatís that name again?
JH: DMSO. And if you mix it with the MMS, and you put it on the
skin, it soaks into the skin and it takes the MMS into the skin,
too. And so, when it takes the MMS into the skin, it heads
directly for the cancer. And it soaks into the cancer, too.
Instead of attacking the cancer cells, the weak cancerous cells,
because itís DMSO, it soaks into the cell, and it kills the
little bug thatís inside the cell thatís causing the cancer and
thatís causing the cell to be weak and cancerous.
When you kill that little bug, the cell becomes healthy again.
And so, you no longer have to kill the cell. And so the whole
theory behind using MMS to kill cancer is, we use it three or
four different ways, all on the same guy, because we want to
have as much MMS in that personís body as possible.
We want to make the body - environment of the body - totally
reject the cancer. And so, the more we can get into the body,
the more likely that it will kill the cancer.
But weíre limited, because we canít make the person sick. We
got to stay giving him just enough that he donít get sick, but is
on the edge of getting sick. [laughs] So weíve got to keep him
just on that very edge. And therefore, itís pretty intense for
cancer. Itís pretty intense. He needs to take it 4 or 5 times a
day, small amounts 4 or 5 times a day, instead of a big batch at
BR: What does ďsmall amountsĒ mean?
JH: Well, ďsmall amountsĒ means 3, 4, 5, 6 drops of MMS. And, of
course, youíve got to activate the MMS, too, but itís small
And then, of course, the MMS thatís put on the outside of the
body affects the body in a different way. And it doesnít cause a
Herxheimer reaction - a Herxheimer reaction being the reaction
thatís caused by cells dying - because it goes in and it kills
the bug thatís inside the cancer instead of killing the
cancer... inside the cancerous cells, I should say. So it kills
So, weíve been having a lot of luck with cancer and almost every
other disease you can imagine.
BR: Now it sounds like... I mean, like now watching this video,
there will be people who are paying very close attention to what
youíre saying because they may be thinking, you know: This is my
last hope. Do they buy a bottle and start taking it? Do they
need to consult a practitioner, someone with experience? Are
there special protocols for different kinds of cancer?
JH: Well, some people... You know, some people have the ability
to self-medicate. And boy, I mean, the medical doctors really
hate that. Self-medication, you know, itís going to keep them
from getting a few bucks. [laughs] And so they scream about
self-medication all the time.
But self-medicationís a good thing. People are taking
responsibility for themselves, and so I recommend that. Either
way. If you can find somebody who has experience, thatís good,
but get going.
And so, I have all of the data on my different websites. And
those websites have protocols on them. And the protocols tell
you how to do it, tell you how to do the cancer, tell you how to
do others things as well.
And the latest one is, I say, a ďProtocol for People who have
Life-threatening Diseases.Ē And that is the latest protocol, and
the protocol that weíve been getting the best results for, for
life-threatening diseases like cancer. There are a lot of other
things that you donít need to go that intense with. You can take
it much easier.
But normally I have all of those different protocols on, and a
lot of other data, too. And, for people who really want to study
up on it, I have whatís called a
MMS Answers site, and thereís
more than 800 questions and answers that I have given people
over the last year.
And those questions are cross-referenced in a number of
different ways, so you can look up almost anything. If you want
to look up pancreas, you can look up pancreas. If you want to
look up colon, you can look up colon, or a number of other
things in that manner.
BR: So what you want is to give people the power to take their
own health welfare back into their own hands, away from the
JH: Exactly. Exactly. I think the more a person takes
responsibility for his own health, the more likely he is to be
happy and stay alive.
BR: And, in terms of a list of the diseases which MMS has been
shown to be efficacious against, youíre talking malaria, AIDS,
cancer. What else?
JH: Flu. Colds. All types of diseases of the mouth. Most people
find that they... Even people who think they have healthy
mouths, if they will brush with MMS once or twice a day, theyíll
find that their gums will get harder, their teeth will get more
solidly in place, the teeth will get whiter.
The MMS kills any bacteria thatís on the teeth and helps enamel
remain solid, and helps the enamel build back to a certain
extent. Because if you kill all those bacteria in there, the
enamel can improve, to a certain extent. And all kinds of people
whoíve had terrible, terrible diseases of the mouth - and
including abscessed teeth. Including abscessed teeth.
Now, for a long time I was pretty much convinced that if the
tooth abscessed from the inside, you couldnít get MMS into it,
and therefore you couldnít cure it if it was abscessed from the
inside. But the fact of the matter is... One of my guys said:
Hey, Iím going to try that DMSO and see if itíll soak in. And so he
put it in, and brushed his mouth with a real light, soft
toothbrush for a while, just dipping it in the DMSO and the MMS
combination, and just brushing it. And in about two days, the
abscess in his tooth went away.
Now, thatís a total impossibility, but it works. [laughs] And
so, it does really great things with all... I mean, Iíve had
lots and lots of people call me and tell me that their mouth was
in terrible shape, and tell me how it had improved to normal, or
even better than what you consider normal. So, it really works
well with fixing the mouth up.
BR: Now there are two modern-day plagues that could spread, so
we are told. One is tuberculosis, and the other one is avian
flu, if it comes to that. Would you have reason to suspect that
MMS could work against both of these?
JH: Well, I sure would. The avian flu... Of course, you know,
thereís been an entire multi-billions of people on this Earth.
Thereís only been 300 cases of avian flu, and those guys that
got that was in places that was highly susceptible to it.
The chances of it ever happening is very, very slim, although
Bush, thinks, and has been talking about how he
expects it to happen, you know. And thereís a lot of people
talking about, in the drug cartels, are talking about how itís
going to be, itís just going to happen sooner or later, itís got
happen but they just donít know how soon itís going to happen, but
they know itís going to happen.
BR: Some people think itís been weaponized.
JH: Thatís right. There are some people that think itís been
weaponized. But I think that the flu thatís been the most
dangerous was the 1917 flu. It killed 50 million people. And
theyíve gotten that one back, too. [laughs] So they
reconstructed it from people who were buried up in Alaska, who
had the flu. And they were buried in ice, and theyíve been in
ice all these years.
But I think... MMS kills any flu that Iíve seen so far, and itís
just a pathogen, and so it should be able to kill that flu as
well. So, the best way is to keep a bottle of MMS on your shelf.
BR: Yes. Is there anything you can say about your own vision for
the next few years? Because this has been a staggering story.
This started in Guyana, how many years ago?
JH: In 1997 in Guyana. So whatís that? 10 years now.
BR: So in a decade itís now a world-wide phenomenon.
BR: You see it on every discussion board, on every internet
forum, and people are talking about it. People are writing to us
about it. The alternative health community is abuzz with this.
Whatís next? Where is this going to go? What are your personal
JH: Well, Iíd like to start in Africa, and take one single
country, and just cure all the malaria in that one country. And
weíll get a lot of the AIDS while weíre at it. Of course, AIDS
is a much more complex disease and much harder to handle than
malaria. But I think that we have some protocols, ways of using
MMS, that will probably work on AIDS. So far weíve had good
BR: What country do you have in mind?
JH: Well, I have the country of Malawi in mind. It may not be
that country, but that country would be a good one because Iíve
already talked to all of the... I did talk to all of the people
in the government there. They were all very helpful. They all
were happy to see me. They were happy for me to be treating
There was no governmental problems at all. Even, they had a
malaria department in the government, and that department was
happy to work with me. So Iíd like to go somewhere like... Iíd
like to go there just because it would be easy to get things
going without a lot of getting permission and problems. That
would be the main thing.
BR: Is there any possibility that you could get scientific
studies written up in the scientific journals?
JH: Yes, thereís a possibility, but Iíve discouraged that. Iíve
had chances. People have asked me if I wanted to do that.
And I have discouraged it because we have been a grassroots
movement from the very beginning. Weíve been very successful in
being a grassroots movement. And when I say ďgrassroots,Ē I mean
below the governmentís radar. They havenít been aware of us.
And I had one of my friends check with
the FDA the other day. He
went in and he went to the third man in control in the FDA and
asked him about MMS. What did they think about it?
And the guy said: Well, thatís just crap. He said: We donít
worry about things like that. He said: We have these
multimillion-dollar corporations that are furnishing herbs that
are replacing some of the drugs. And we have a lot of... we
donít have enough money to control them. He says: Why are we
going to worry about some little guy down there in the street
So, they arenít aware of what MMS will do. Theyíre not aware of
whatís happening. And I want to leave it that way. I donít want
the governments and the various different drug companies finding
out about it.
Iíve had chances to go on national newspapers, and one or two
chances to go on national TV, and Iíve always rejected it - although Iím happy to go on the internet, and Iíve had a lot of
different internet attention.
But I donít want... I didnít want to get it spread out so much
that the governmentís going to get their hand in it. Because you
know what they do; they stop whatever they can. So Iíve been
avoiding that. Eventually itís going to come, though. Eventually
weíre going to have to let... the news is going to get out. But Iím
going to wait as long as I can on that.
BR: And youíve heard one or two stories of people who come up
The-Powers-That-Be and suffer a little bit for that,
JH: Iíve heard of a lot of stories. One of my... A guy that I
know pretty well was trying to sell, was selling, a salve that
affected cancer. It actually is called the Indian Herb, and itís
been sold for 70 years, and the lady who sells it has like 3,000
letters from people whoíve had cancer cured.
And he was selling this on the internet. And as soon as the FDA
heard about it, they come out, and they confiscated his house,
and his car, and his whole business, and his bank account. They
And they put him in jail. And then they kept him from talking to
his lawyer by moving him from jail to jail, so that he couldnít
get to talk to his lawyer. And then, after 6 months they finally
charged him. They moved him around for 6 months, then after 6
months they finally charged him and they...
And when he said: Not guilty, the judge said: Wait a minute.
Letís go to my chambers. And so the judge took him into his
chambers and he said: Youíve got a choice. He said: Either you
plead guilty and go to jail for three years, or Iíll make sure
you go to jail for 20 years.
And his lawyer wasnít there, and he didnít know what to do, so
he went ahead and pleaded guilty, went to jail for three years.
And he got out of jail a couple years ago and now heís down in
South America. He donít want anything more to do with the U.S.
But... I had another friend that I know. Heís become a friend
because he knows what Iím doing. But he was in Africa curing
malaria and some people, representatives from the drug
companies, told him to stop. And he said he wasnít going to stop.
He was going to continue to cure malaria.
And one night when he went home... Well, he didnít go home, he
went to his hotel room, and he opened the door and a bomb went
off and it blew both of his legs off. Didnít kill him. Heís in
California now. Heís in a wheelchair.
Thatís just two of the people I know personally. Then a lot of
the older guys, like a guy named Koch back in 1917, cured
cancer. And his material was sold to many hundreds of doctors,
and more than 100,000 people were cured of cancer before the FDA
finally stopped him.
So. I can go on. Thereís a lot of other stories about the same
thing. Thereís Rife. Later on, in 1930s, Rife cured another...
His equipment and things cured another 100,000 people from
cancer. And the FDA stopped him, burned all of his books and all
of his laboratory equipment and everything.
And the FDA has burned many books, has had the burning of books
many times. The DMSO book was ordered to be burned. And it was
burned. They burned all the DMSO books that they could get their
And so, you got to stay out of the hands of the drug companies.
And of course, the drug companies run the FDA.
In case you donít know how that goes, the executives from the
drug companies take a sabbatical. They take a leave from their
drug company, and they go over and be the guy that runs the FDA
for a year. And then another drug company. And so, the drug...
the FDA in the United States is run by the drug companies. And
[laughs] itís ridiculous.
And they have stopped every case, everything that cures cancer.
And they convince the people, which it seems to be easy to
convince, they convince the people that these people who
actually have cancer cures are charlatans and bad guys, and they
And so, you know, Iíve had three or four friends who died of
cancer and they said: Well, Iím not going to go to those quacks.
And actually the medical people are the real quacks. Theyíre the
ones thatís killing everybody. And so itís... Thatís the way it
exists right now. Itís kind of a shame
BR: Have you had any threats against you from anybody, or are
you under the radar?
JH: Iím still under the radar. I havenít had any threats. But I
live in Mexico, just in case. [laughs] Iím paranoid, so I keep
out of the radar, and I donít think that...
I think I probably have another year or two before the FDA says:
Uh oh, this stuff is starting to reduce the income of the drug
companies. And thatís whatís going to really do the thing. When
the money starts decreasing, when it looks like that the MMS is
starting to replace some of the drugs, then thatís whatís going
to really make them mad.
BR: So your goal is to get as much out there as fast as possible
JH: Thatís right. Get as much out. Get as many people using it
as possible, so that... And, you know, my book tells how to make
it. And it even tells how to manufacture it in your kitchen, so
that you can buy the book and set up to manufacture it and
furnish it to your neighbors or furnish it to your family, or
BR: OK. And what youíre saying is... In your book youíve
actually got instructions about how to be completely
self-sufficient as far as MMS, if you want to do that.
JH: Thatís right. A step-by-step procedure to make a few bottles
for yourself, and a step-by-step procedure to make hundreds or
thousands of bottles to be sold.
BR: And for anyone whoís thinking of buying some, it goes a very
long way. Weíre just talking about a few little drops at a time.
JH: Thatís right. A $20 bottle will last you, personally... Say,
if you want to take a maintenance dose every day, a $20 bottle
will last you about a year and a half. And if youíre going to use
it for your whole family, itíll probably last for 3, 4, 5
And the idea... and everybody has been really good at it... I
ask everybody... I donít sell it myself, except Iím starting to
in Mexico, but for the last 10 years I havenít sold it myself. I
give bottles away, but mostly I encourage other people to sell
it. And everybody kept the price down.
I said: Look, we want to keep the price down so anybody in the
world can afford it. And they all, so far, are humanitarian-type
people, and theyíre all manufacturing and selling it for the
same price, which is $20 a bottle. I donít care whether itís in
Germany, or South Africa, or Australia, or the United States, or
Mexico. Itís $20 a bottle.
And thatís less than a penny a dose. You can cure a case of
malaria for 5 cents. And even the people in Africa can afford
that. Now, when we go there, we aren't going to charge them that
much. Weíre going to do it for free at first, but they could afford
it if they had to.
BR: Whatís your spiritual and philosophical backdrop thatís
taken you through all these extraordinary years?
JH: Well, I like to believe that Iím a highly spiritual guy, but
BR: I appreciate the difference.
JH: OK. All right. And so, I believe that the more spiritual a
person is, and the more he looks into doing things that he knows
is right to do, the more power he has. And I believe that in the
whole movement towards a better health movement, or a better
movement towards making people well who are sick - which is
totally against what the medical people are doing nowadays - but I believe that the more people work towards right things,
the more power they have.
Because, if theyíre really doing what they know is right, they
arenít going to have any guilt. They arenít... Buried in
everybodyís mind somewhere, if heís doing wrong, if heís
fleecing people of their money, if heís causing people to die,
somewhere deep inside there he knows that heís doing wrong. And
if knows that, he loses more power as time goes on.
And I think that thatís happening on Earth today - now. I think
that as those drug companies cause more and more deaths, and as
the FDA causes more and more deaths in more and more people,
that they are slowly losing their power. And not nearly as fast
as weíd like, but they are losing their power.
And I think that the alternate medicine movement is slowly
gaining power, and the people in it are becoming more powerful.
And itís happening to me. Whatís happening to me, to a certain
extent, is, people are showing up to talk to me about powerful
BR: Mm hm.
JH: And Iím not free to discuss most of them. But I think that we
are on the edge of a paradigm-change in the healing industry.
And I think that that paradigm-change will happen in the next
very few years. It wonít be a long time.
And that will help us into a paradigm-change in the brutality of
man against man. And I donít know how long that change will take.
That change may take 50 to a couple of hundred years, but itís
changing. And it never has changed.
For hundreds of thousands of years, there has been no change in
the brutality of man against man. I mean, they talk about Jesus,
and they talk about Mohammed, and they talk about all of these
wonderful people that have come before. And there are hundreds
of them, really. And theyíve all taught love, and theyíve all
talked about these wonderful things.
And thereís been NO change
in the paradigm of brutality of man.
And I think that those of us, now, are beginning to come
together in communication - not necessarily gathering in one
place, but in communication.
People are talking to me from all over the world. And other
people, like this group here, that weíre having a congress here
about alternate medicine, and that sort of thing. And I just was
to another congress in Mexico City. And congresses are happening
all over. And theyíre talking about alternate medicine. And
these things werenít happening 20 years ago. Very few of them was
happening even 10 years ago.
But, believe me, weíre going into a paradigm shift. Itís coming
slowly, but itís going to happen. And itís going to happen because
there are a lot of people on Earth now that are beginning to do
what they know is right.
BR: I would say that this shift has started. Weíre starting to
see it in our own lifetime, and weíre very privileged to be here
at this time.
JH: Thatís right. Yeah. I feel exactly the same way. And I think
that... And to carry it a little bit further than that, I think
that in the past, many millions of years or thousands of years,
that many of us... that there was a group of us who agreed to be
here and to work on this particular paradigm shift.
BR: And Iím one of those, too! [laughter]
JH: See? And so, Iím meeting a lot of them. I mean, youíre not
just... A lot of people are calling me on the phone and saying:
Hey, I remember when we agreed to be here. You know? And things
JH: Right. And so weíre doing what we know is right. And weíre
so much more powerful than those guys out there that are
screwing people over, and causing deaths, and causing suffering
and pain, and all that. They donít have a chance. Theyíve lost.
They just donít know it. [laughs] And itís going to take a while to
get the point across to them, but itís going to be. Itís going
So thatís the part of it I like to mention because I watched the
suffering and the pain for so long that I like to see... I see
it happening. Iíve seen the thousands of miracles in the past
few years. And I know weíre going to see a lot more.
BR: I think youíre absolutely right. And youíre right at the
vanguard of the shift. Youíre part of the movement thatís
actually making this happen. Youíre exactly in the right place
at the right time.
JH: Well, thank you. [laughs]
BR: Youíre a great man, sir. Youíre a very brave man for coming
out to do this stuff so openly. Even if you are underneath the
radar, there are tens of thousands of people who will be
watching this video and who will be paying very close attention
to what youíre saying. Youíll be saving a lot of lives. And I
take my hat off to you, sir. [laughter] Itís been a great
JH: Well, thank you. Certainly itís my privilege to be here and
to have you say such wonderful things.
BR: Thank you, Jim Humble.
JH: Youíre welcome. [background applause] Thank you. Thank you.
BR: And I meant what I said.
JH: Great. I appreciate it.
BR: Iíd love to see you again next year when maybe you can say a