January 13, 1990
THIS FILE IN ITS ORIGINAL, UNCORRECTED (GRAMMAR &
IS KNOWN AS “PHILLY”.ASC OR .ZIP. I HAVE RE-NAMED IT
“BIELEK90” IN ORDER
TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM THE ORIGINAL BY CLAY TIPPEN, WHO
REQUESTED THAT THE
FILE BE UNCHANGED. HOWEVER, THE SPELLING OF SEVERAL
NAMES, THE DIVISION OF
SENTENCES, ETC., WAS SO POOR (DUE TO TIPPEN’S HAVING
TRANSCRIBED FROM A
VIDEO TAPE & HAVING BEEN UNFAMILIAR WITH MUCH OF AL BIELEK’S TERMINOLOGY)
THAT I DEEMED IT NECESSARY TO EDIT & CORRECT THE ENTIRE
FILE, AND TO UPLOAD
IT TO THE BBS’s UNDER A SEPARATE FILENAME.
Transcribed October 12, 1991
by Clay Tippen
[Spelling & identification of several previously unrecognized words
& names corrected by Rick Andersen, October 1992.]
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This document was transcribed from a video tape. I received the tape
on or about May or June 1990. After watching and reviewing the tape
over a dozen times, I showed the tape to other friends, and they
like me were very amazed. Some believed and some didn’t. Now you can
make your decision. Alfred Bielek is one of the survivors of the
Several of the names and places that Mr. Bielek mentioned, could not
be spelled correctly due to audio levels and mumbling. Of course
there were a lot of places and things I have never heard of, and
have no idea of how to spell them. I have tried to research some of
this to make sure that all was correct. Also, some of the words may
sound a little strange, improper English, and double words and
sentences. This document is exactly as it was spoken during the time
of the conference. [--text cleaned up, as mentioned above, by Rick
Andersen, Oct. ‘92]
This conference was conducted at the Mufon Metroplex in Dallas, TX.,
a UFO meeting. The date of this conference was January 13th, 1990.
The speaker’s name is Alfred Bielek, and this is how he explains the
beginning and the so-called end of the experiment.
Alfred Bielek is our speaker tonight, and I heard him at the
conference in Phoenix, in September, and I think it was pretty much
agreed that he was the most interesting of any of the speakers, at
least on subject material. So there hasn’t been anyone that I know
of that was actually involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, that
was still around to tell you about it. And he is. So I think this
one is a really exciting program.
Now there are some tie-ins with UFO’s in a sense in that, well—I
will let him tell you a little bit about that, but one of the
projects that he was working on is still highly classified, and it
did involve some UFO’s, and he really can’t talk about that one as
much; tonight, he might just briefly touch on it. But I think it’s
real interesting that there’s so much government secrecy around this
as much as there has been around UFO’s, and the government has
denied that this one has ever happened. So just in that
relationship, I think it is very interesting, and it certainly has a
tie-in with the things that we discuss here in our group. So with
that, I introduce Alfred Bielek.
“THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT”
As announcement, my name is Alfred Bielek, I am a survivor of the
Philadelphia Experiment. I am going to ask before really starting:
Out of the people who are here, how many of you really know what the
Philadelphia Experiment, so called, was really all about?...
I don’t see very many hands going up. So probably the second
question is a little bit superfluous. How many of you have any ideas
to whether this experiment actually started in the war years? That
is, World War II, say ‘41 ‘42. How many of you think it started
then? Very few are knowledgeable about that.... A few hands go up.
Or who may think it started earlier?.... Well the ones who say
earlier are correct.
It actually had its genesis in
1931-1932, in a strange little windy
city called Chicago, Illinois. At that time there had been, through
the Twenties and early Thirties, a lot of speculation in the popular
literature, meaning scientific popular literature like “Popular
Science”, “Popular Mechanics”, “Science Illustrated”, on the
subjects of invisibility, trying to make an object disappear, or a
person disappear, or even teleportation. I guess the people at that
time in there writing thought that maybe we were close to it, in the
terms of a scientific accomplishment, but there was a great deal of
speculation, and very little if anything was ever done about it.
About that time in ‘31, some people decided maybe it was about time
to do something about it and they got together at the University of
Chicago. The three principles involved were
Dr. Nikola Tesla,
John Hutchinson and dean of the University of Chicago, later
chancellor, and a Dr. Kirtenauer, who was an Austrian physicist, who
came from Austria and was on staff at the University of Chicago.
They did a little research.... a feasibility study type thing at that
time, did not accomplish very much, at that particular moment, in
that period. A little bit later, the entire project was moved to the
Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton.
The Institute of Advanced Studies itself was an interesting
organization. It is not part of the university system, it is not
part of Princeton. It exists on Princeton property, but is a
independent entity. It was founded in 1933, under whose auspices, or
for what purpose, can’t really say, other than some-one wanted an
institute for very advanced studies, post doctoral research and this
type of thing. Among the first people to join were such interesting
and well-known people as Albert Einstein. I won’t go into Albert
Einstein’s history, because he’s too well known, but he joined the
staff in 1933. He was of course from Bonn, Germany, and after he
left Germany in 1930 (some of the biographies said 1933, but it was
in 1930), he came to the United States, and went to Pasadena, Ca. He
was teaching at Cal-Tech. He was there for about three years, and
was invited to join the institute, in which he did in 1933, and he
remained there until his death. Einstein’s principle function was a
theoretical physicist, a theoretical man, strictly mathematics, in
the area of physics. Well known of course for his Special Theory of
Relativity, his General Theory of Relativity, and the speculative
Unified Field Theory.
Other people joined about the same time. One of the more important
individuals who joined was of course, Dr. John von Neumann, who was
born in Budapest, Hungary, and he came from Europe. He took his
degree in mathematics, a PhD in mathematics in 1925, in Budapest. He
taught in the German University system for approximately four years,
at two different posts. During that period of the four years, he met
Dr. Robert Oppenheimer, who was in Europe at that time, who became
important later on after the project, and a number of other people.
Now, von Neumann was rather interesting. He was a theoretical man, a
theoretical mathematician. But he was also a “nuts-and-bolts” man,
which means he knew how to apply pure theory. Einstein did not, and
this is very important. Now one of the other people turned up at
that university, that is where he was teaching at that time, was a
very important man, if I can read my notes here, was a man by the
name of David Hilbert. Probably none of you have ever heard of
Hilbert. A Dr. in mathematics, he was considered in Europe as a
most outstanding mathematician; he never did leave Europe as far
as I know. He was born, raised, and died in Germany. He died in
Germany about 1965, approximately. But he was in the circle which
Neumann met. Hilbert is most well-known and remembered for the fact
that he developed a very exotic form of mathematics called Hilbert
Space. He was the first man to define mathematically multiple
realities, multiple space, and what it all meant in the terms of a
mathematician’s point of view. To the most of us it is almost
meaning-less, and to the average person it is meaningless, but it is
important to the physicist, and to a mathematician, because he laid
the ground work to what became the Philadelphia Experiment.
Hilbert and von Neumann got together.
Von Neumann wrote a paper in
Germany, in German, on Hilbert and some of his work. And von
Neumann, being a very outstanding man himself, took Hilbert’s work
and “ran with it”, as the saying goes, and he developed whole new
systems of mathematics of his own. Von Neumann is well-known in
mathematical circles, as is Hilbert, and some of his work has been
published, and post-Philadelphia Experiment wise. One of the things
he is well-known for is Game Theory. He also developed a system of
ring operators, very exotic species of algebra, none of which really
means anything except to somebody who is very heavily steeped in
mathematics and is a pure mathematician.
Other people became important to this project as time went on. Now
in 1934 roughly, they moved the project to the Institute, and Dr.
Tesla comes into play here. Tesla is a very important man. His
history’s fairly well known. There is a movie out, by Segrabe
Productions in Yugoslavia, outlining his life. He was born in 1856.
He went to school, to the regular schools, a gymnasium, which is
their high school, he started in a university. He was there one year
when his father died. He ran out of funds, so he could not continue
his formal education, but he understudied the professors there and
so he sat in on the classes. He then took work as he could find it,
in Europe at Western Union for a period of time. Then he joined the
Edison Corps. of Europe. And when he decided to move to the United
States in 1884, he had a letter of introduction from Edison’s man,
who ran the Edison Corps. in Europe. So he arrived in the United
States in 1884, and as the saying goes, with a good working
knowledge of eleven languages, four cents in his pocket, a book of
poetry, and a letter of introduction to Thomas Edison. It was most
important that he had that letter of introduction, because that
became, for a period of time, his mainstay.
He was introduced to Edison and immediately got into an argument
with Edison over the differences in their basic approach to
electricity. Edison was a DC man and Tesla, as was well-known, was a
AC man, and Edison couldn’t see the AC and wanted no part of it. He
already had a vested interest, if you will, in the DC machinery
which he had designed and built, and in the power systems he was
putting together. Well, he worked, that is Tesla worked for
for about six months. They got into a violent argument over money,
namely a promise that was made to Tesla, that if he solved a certain
problem, within a certain time deadline, that he, Edison, would give
him $50,000 as a bonus. Well, he did the job and finished it, and he
came to Edison and asked for his bonus. Edison laughed, ho ho,
that’s a big joke, American sense of humor and all of that. Tesla
didn’t think that was a big joke, and just packed up and left
immediately, and went back to digging ditches.
After that he met various people, did various things, one of them
being for the American President of Western Union. He worked for him
for a period of time. That gentleman helped him set up his first
laboratory. As time went on, he became an American citizen, and he
started to give a series of lectures at the old Institute of
Electrical Engineers, which in the 1880’s and 1890’s was very
prominent in New York, and Tesla became a very prominent, regular
speaker, on various subjects of course involving AC theory,
electrical power, and anything else he happened to think was
important. With everybody there, their support, everything he
presented was important.
At one point he gave a demonstration on electrical theory and AC
power, and one of the attendees was Mr. George Westinghouse. So in
approximately 1889, Westinghouse bought all of Tesla’s patents, 20
of them on an AC generator system, and AC power distribution, paid
him a million dollars cold cash, and a royalty of one dollar per
horsepower, for every horsepower produced in equipment from that
point on, for the life of the patents. This put Tesla in business
In 1893, Tesla won the award for providing the power for the Chicago
World Exposition. It was the first time a major exposition had any
AC power applied for generation; previous to that was DC power, when
there was power available, and that did not suit Mr. Edison very
well, but nevertheless Tesla won it. He was already backed by
Morgan. And he also did something else of great note at that
exposition: he demonstrated for the first time, publicly, a model
boat, radio-controlled, in the boat basin. He repeated this
demonstration in 1898, at another demonstration in Madison Square
Garden, New York City.
In the meantime there was a contest on for the development of high
power, long range power transmission, and Tesla won the award to
build Niagara Power Station, the first major hydroelectric power
station in the United States to be equipped with AC power. He won it
because he promised he could ship power all the way to New York City
without losses, and he proved it. In 1899, Tesla went to Colorado
Springs to do a lot of research, and in this period of the research
he was dabbling into very basic areas of research involving very
high powered electricity, electrical bolts—the Tesla Coil, if you
will. He was there two years, he made some press announcements. One
of them, in 1899, was that he had been in contact with some people
off planet Earth, ET’s, if you will, in our modern terminology. The
press took a great deal of note in it, and the scientific colleagues
took a very dim view of it, at the time. That was not a popular
subject; they thought he was a little bit ‘around the bend’ perhaps,
which they thought very much he was later, a couple of decades
later. But he stuck to his guns.
Well, in 1906, again with JP Morgan’s backing, he was going to
system for transmission of radio and television signals, and the
Tower was built on Long Island in 1906. About a year before its
he went to JP Morgan and said, “Really, Mr. Morgan, I intend to use
tower for the production of FREE POWER, for everyone. FREE
ELECTRICAL POWER.” And Mr. Morgan said to him, “You mean to tell me
Mr. Tesla, that somebody can stick an antenna rod in the ground, and
another one in the air, and pick up all the FREE POWER they want,
and I can’t put a meter on it and charge them?” And Tesla said,
“That is correct.” JP Morgan said, “I will tell you, Mr. Tesla, when
I am ready for you.” Obviously Mr. Morgan never called him again,
cut off all of the funding. The Wardencliff Tower sat until 1914
when it was dynamited by someone. And that was the end of that
project. Now in the meantime Tesla went on to other things. I will
cut this a little bit short, because we are going to get into the
main part of this.
In 1917 of course there was a war on-- World War I.
approached by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, then secretary of the Navy,
to do some work for the government, which he gladly agreed to do. He
was also involved at that time with the American Marconi Co. and
that company was seized during World War I, as a possible hot-bed of
alien activity, and you know the usual paranoia that exist during
wartime. And the whole company was absorbed by the government, Tesla
with it. Tesla did develop a number of interesting things at that
time, one of them the Rogers Antenna System.
The Rogers System for transmission of wireless, which made it
possible for the military at that time—the patent was classified for
many years — to transmit voice communications to Europe from the
United States, without static and without noise -- an unheard-of feat
at that time. The system is still in use today by the military.
In 1919 a new corporation was formed,
RCA, and Tesla became part of
it. It was formed out of the old nucleus of American Marconi.
remained with RCA, first as an engineer, then as a director of
engineering, and then after 1935 as the director of all engineering
and research worldwide for RCA, which lasted until 1939, at which
timed he retired.
During this entire period of time, he had an impeccable track record
for producing hardware that worked and never failed, ie. he never
failed to pro-duce something that worked. He was also well-known as
a man who visualized these things in his head before he ever put it
down on paper, or told somebody what to build, down to the last
gnat’s eyebrow of a dimension. What’s important, to know this, and
to understand that Tesla’s approach to the projects, was largely
intuitive, not without a mathematical background, because he had
that, but his mathematics was that of the last century, the 1880’s.
And there was a lot known about Electrical Theory at that time, but
it was not at that time that they developed Radio. Hertz got into
this in the late 1880’s 1890’s. Tesla never agreed with Hertz on
what a radio wave is.
But in 1933, Roosevelt became President of the United Sates. He
called his old friend
down to Washington, and asked
him, “How would you like to do some more work for the government?”
And Tesla said, “Fine”. And he said, “We have a project for you.” He
wound up being the director of what would later become known as the
Philadelphia Project. And that is basically how Tesla
involved in that project. He was named by the President, so far as
what we can determine now. He was the first director, this does show
in certain records, and they proceeded.
In 1936, there was a first test
of some hardware, and this was moderately successful. This means
it resulted in some partial invisibility, enough to be
encouraging enough to show that they were on the right pathway
and the right track, and the Navy became very interested;
actually they were interested from the beginning in
1931 and provided some research money. And in 1936 they provided
more, and the project expanded. Well this went on and things
expanded from that point onward, more people became part of the
A Dr. Gustave Le Bon became a close associate of
Dr. von Neumann,
staff. Can’t find any record of him today, but nevertheless he was
there, and another man, a Dr. Clarkston, joined in approximately in
1940. Now this was not the only project going on at the Institute.
There were other people there doing various things. The only man who
knew everything that was going on there was of course Dr. Einstein
himself, he was considered as the General. If you had a problem, you
went to see the General. He was a general consultant to everyone,
whatever the project might be. Now this thing continued to grow.
I haven’t gotten into how I got involved in it yet, didn’t quite get
into it at this point. I came in later. But I think what I want to
do at this point is take a slight break from the theoretical side
and show you a video tape, part of it, produced by EMI Thorn Corp.
of England. This movie was produced basically in 1983, and was
released in the United States in 1984 from England to be shown in
theaters, with schedule to setup about mid August of ‘84. And the
movie lasted TWO WEEKS.
About three days before the movie was released,
EMI Thorn received a
letter from the United States government saying ‘we don’t want this
movie to be shown in the United States.’ They decided after some
deliberation to ignore the letter, because they had already made
their release dates, and they said well three days we can play that
we never got the letter. So they released the movie, and it was
shown in various places; New York, Philadelphia, as I understand
there were huge waiting lines to see it, and various other cities
around the US.; Phoenix, Sedona, AZ., Chicago, Los Angeles,
Another letter arrived at EMI Thorn in England, shortly thereafter — a
very stern, “We don’t want this movie shown in the United States.”
So EMI Thorn could not ignore the second letter. So they fired back
at the Government, and said ‘if you want this movie stopped, you
will have to get a court injunction to stop it.’ And the U.S.
government said ‘we will’, and they did. They got a court order
banning the showing of this movie in the United States. That court
order took effect sometime early September, and the movie disappeared
completely for two years. In the meantime EMI Thorn went ahead and
decided that they wanted to fight this, and they did successfully.
Two years later they had a counter-injunction issued, banning the
first one, and it again became available as a video tape. I don’t
believe it has ever been shown in a movie house after that, but the
video tape is commonly available.
Now the movie, the video tape, “The Philadelphia Experiment” is the
actual title. It is relatively accurate in the first part of the
film, and they do embellish it, they want to make a nice interesting
movie, a love story, and they distorted some of the parts at the
end, nevertheless, I would like to show the first part of it,
because it’s very appropriate to what comes from this point on.
[Mr. Bielek showed a short
excerpt of the film, (now available from
local video stores), called “The Philadelphia Experiment”. The film
starts from the beginning and continues until the two guys jump over
the side of the ship. If you have not yet seen this movie, “The
Philadelphia Experiment”, it would be worthwhile to see it.]
Mr. Bielek continues.......
Up to that point the story is relatively accurate; they change one
thing: the date. It was actually August 12, 1943. And a very
disastrous experiment, but a lot happened in-between and this will
lead into eventually the rest of the story.
Now as I have said, in 1936 they had a moderate degree of success,
but nothing like this. The original intent was to produce a field of
invisibility around an object. So they went on working and in 1940
they did achieve their first real success under Tesla’s direction,
at the Brooklyn Navy yard. It was a small ship, which had nobody
aboard. The special equipment was put on that ship. It was powered
from two adjacent ships on either side, to supply the power on
cables; in case something went wrong they could cut the cables or if
they got desperate they could sink the ship. But they didn’t have
any need to be that desperate, it was precautions, which the Navy
It was completely successful. The small ship became invisible, there
was no one on board at this point, because that was a later part of
the test. Well, it was declared as a success. The Navy was elated,
they felt they had it and they funded an unlimited amount of money
into the research for this thing and classified the project,
September of 1940, calling the project, “Project Rainbow”. Things
went into high gear from that point on.
Now I think at this point, I
should say where I came into it, both myself and my brother. I
was born August 4, 1916, in the New York area, to a Mr. Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr., the father, and a
mother who, I don’t believe was married from what little research we
were able to do. Had a rather uneventful life, but pleasant life,
because there was money in the family. My brother was born in May of
1917. And we went on our merry way. Had a ball as it was, didn’t
have any worries about money. Came the Depression years, we decided
to go to school and get an education. He went to the University of
Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland, until he graduated in 1939, in the
summer of ‘39 with a PHD in physics. I went to Princeton, Bachelor’s
and Master’s; I went to Harvard for my doctorate. Earlier, von
Neumann said, “You don’t want to get your doctorate here at
Princeton. Go to Harvard, it’s a better school." So I took a
doctorate out at Harvard; I think it was in August of ‘39. In the
meantime I should add, there were some other things going in the
background, and that background happened to be our father.
He, himself served in the Navy in World War I. He was a seaman, in
the pictures we have in our family album. Exactly when he joined we
don’t know and exactly when he left the Navy, we don’t know. Those
papers are missing. But as far as we know, he spent a full 20 years,
took his retirement in the very early 30’s. And at what rank he
left, we don’t know, and what connections he made, we don’t really
know, but he must have made some very interesting connections with
intelligence because of what happened from that point on.
Now in the 30’s. From that point
on he never worked a day in his life... by the way, he didn’t
need to. Now in the 30’s he had a hobby, and that was building
sailboats. Not little models, but full-sized ones, which he used
to race in the various regatta races, around Long Island, which
was very common then. Take a trophy or two. Get tired of the
boat, and then sell it, and build another. In the meantime he
also became very active in other things. Those other things were
smuggling scientists out of Nazi Germany, and bringing
them to the United States. That’s a long piece of history, and I
don’t really need to go into.
But it ceased in 1939 when the war
became hot. In September of 1939 due to the arrangements by my
father, who apparently had a great deal of influence in the Navy,
had prearranged that we enlist in the Navy, as we both did in
September of 1939. We were given commissions; we then went to a
special naval training school, in Providence, Rhode Island, for 90
days. We were probably among the earliest of what later they called
the “90 Day Wonders” in the Navy. In 90 days you were trained as an
officer and were supposed to know everything. Be that as it may, we
were then at the end of that in 1939, early 1940. We were assigned
to the institute. Now in the meantime we had had some contact with
it, and had been there periodically;
I myself had been there for a period of time, because I was at
Princeton. But we were assigned to the Institute full board, and our
job was to represent the Navy’s interest in this project. They
wanted two people who had the scientific background and training to
be able to accurately report both theoretically and practically on
what was going on, what was happening, and what was being done. And
that was our main job. We were assigned to the Institute; we also
had offices at the Philadelphia Navy yard. Now in 1940 as I have
said, there was a successful test. The project was classified. Tesla
was given unlimited funding, along with the group which continued to
expand. I don’t remember all of the people involved, but we had
another infrastructure which came into being, a Navy structure. Up
to now I largely touched on the civilian end of it. Now there is a
Navy end of it.
At the very top was the Office of Naval Engineering. In those days
they did not have an Office of Naval Research. It was the Office of
Naval Engineering, Hal Bowen, Sr., Admiral, was in charge. He was
not only the overseer for the Navy of this project, but all projects
of engineering developmental nature during the war. That office, by
the way, was abolished in 1946, and replaced with the Office of
Naval Research, which Hal Bowen again was a director of until he
retired in 1947. But during that period he was, you might say, the
Top Dog in the Navy. Under him there were some other people. There
was a commander established layer. I won’t go into that but there
was a Lt. Commander, Alan Batchelor, who became sort of the crew
chief and took care of the personnel who would to work on the
project of invisibility, which then developed in two phases.
Alan Batchelor, by the way, is alive today; he’s retired from the
Navy. He retired as a Lt. Commander. I know him personally. I didn’t
know for a long period of time there were any survivors, and then
suddenly I found out about this gentleman through other friends in
New York and talked with him, eventually went to visit him. And he
does have memory, of essentially all the projects. If fact he
identified me on the phone, on a telephone conversation. He said,
“Yes, you worked on that project, I remember you. No, your name
wasn’t Bielek.” Bielek said, “Well, what was it?” Bielek
I already knew, but I wanted to see if he remembered. He did
eventually come up with the name; he remembered my brother.
all a little to the sides of the main story.
Now one of the other things that had to be done eventually was to
develop a special crew. This came a little bit later. January of
‘41, the Navy decided that my brother and I needed some sea duty, so
they transferred us to Brooklyn Navy yard, and about a month or so
later we were assigned to the Pennsylvania, an old-line battle
wagon, and we went out into the Pacific. We were out there most of
the year of 1941. Along about October of ‘41, when the Pennsylvania
was brought in to Pearl Harbor to dry dock for some repairs, we took
some leave and eventually went to San Francisco. We had a ball in
San Francisco in those days, but we were there during that period of
October, late October, early November; and in November it was
finally decided that we go back to Pearl Harbor. Our orders were cut
and on December 5th we were getting on the runway for the aircraft
at the Naval Air station to be sent back to Pearl Harbor when we
were intercepted by a captain in the Navy and addressed us by our
ranks, and said, “Your orders are cancelled. Come with me.
followed him to an upstairs room in the Naval Air station and we
were met by Hal Bowen, Sr., who said, “Gentlemen, your orders have
been cancelled. You may as well know that we will be at war with
Japan within 48 to 72 hours. We expect them to attack Pearl Harbor.
You’re much too valuable to send back to Pearl Harbor; you will stay
here in the San Francisco area. You can do paper work. You will be
assigned to the Pennsylvania; its home berth is San Francisco. You
can finish out your year’s tour here in San Francisco. You will then
be returned to the Institute to continue your work. Enjoy it while
you may, because there will be no leave time, and there will be
nothing but hard work after you’re back there.”
So we did. We
enjoyed it. And eventually we went back there in January of ‘42.
But at that point a lot had happened in the meantime.
Tesla had been
assigned a battleship by a certain friend of his. I think it was
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, in the White house. He said “you may have
this ship; go ahead, make it invisible.” There was full confidence
that he could do it. So he was proceeding with the building of the
hardware. There were several, three RF transmitters, one main
generator I believe, then there were two. The general plan of
attack, without getting highly technical, was a series of magnetic
coils driven by these generators which produced a very intense magnetic field, and initially they were wrapped around the hull of
the ship. Later this was changed to coils mounted on the deck, four
of them. And RF fields all synchronized with special frequencies and
special modulation waveforms developed by Tesla which would produce
the field of invisibility.
Along about this time (I will have to fill in a little bit about
Tesla), he made another press announcement, in 1923, about talking
with ET’s off planet, which fell on some interested ears, but a lot
of dead ears also. And he maintained a stance that he was in
communication with ET’s. Now after he retired from
RCA, plus he
became more active in this project, but he also maintained a
laboratory in his living quarters at the Hotel New Yorker, in New
York, the top floor. He had another laboratory in New York, which
was actually separate, but not a very important one. Unknown to most
people he had a second laboratory which apparently was his main one
on top of the Waldorf Astoria on the top floor and both penthouse
towers. He maintained a transmitter setup on the Waldorf; and his
receiving setup, his receiving antennas and receivers which had been
built by RCA under his direction, were on the New Yorker. And I know
two people who said they were working with Tesla, during that
period, that he was using that equipment, he was talking with
somebody, virtually every day, and one of them was emphatic: it was
someone off planet. In plain language, he was communicating with
Who? I have no idea. It has never been revealed. But during that
period he got some additional information and he suddenly went to
the Navy and said,
“We are going to have a personnel problem. We’re
going to have a very serious problem. You cannot develop the amount
of power necessary to make a large ship of the line invisible
without having effects on the personnel. I need more time. I need to
develop counter-measures for this so that the personnel are not
The Navy said, “You can’t. You’ve got a deadline date.
There’s a war on. Make it work. You can fix it, but don’t change
Make it work, in other words. There was a deadline date, which
happened to be March of ‘42. The specific test approached; he became
very uneasy about it, and finally decided, with no extension in time
and no way that he could modify the hardware to correct the problem,
there was only one out for him. And that was to sabotage the
equipment, not by physically destroying it, but making certain that
it would never work when it was turned on, which was in essence what
he proceeded to do on this test date, March of ‘42. The battle-ship
did not have a special crew on. It had the regular crew, although it
had the specialized equipment. And the switches were thrown and
nothing happened, and Mr. Tesla bowed out. He said,
gentlemen, the experiment is a failure and it’s time for me to
leave. There’s a very good man here that can take over and make
things work for you. And that’s Dr. John von Neumann. Bye!”
As the story goes, he was fired. There’s another story and it goes,
‘You can’t fire me; I quit!’ Whatever the case, he left. There was
some other interest, and he did do other research from that point on
until the date of his death, January 7, 1943, which figured into
some of the other things that happened later, but was not directly
related at that time to the experiment.
Now in the period of that era a lot of other projects were afoot.
One of the others that was developed and was actually functional
prior to this project and that was the work being done basically at
the Navy yard, and also at the Institute under Einstein’s specific
direction, was the experiments in Degaussing. I don’t know how many
of you know it, but prior to WWII and during WWII actually dating to
1938, the Germans developed a new type of mine, called a magnetic
mine. It did not explode by contact, it exploded by means of
detecting the magnetic mass of the steel hull of a ship as it
approached. It distorted the earth’s magnetic field, and this was
sensed by sensing elements on this mine; and when it was close
enough to the ship or was underneath the ship, without any contact
being made, the trigger mechanisms fired, the mine would go off and
blow a hole in the bottom of the ship, and that was the end of the
The U.S. Navy knew about this, and they wanted to develop
countermeasures, which they did. They were very successful. They
were so successful in fact that the Germans gave up on the magnetic
mine in 1943, and went back to the standard mines which you cannot
affect by this type of equipment. The early forms of that equipment
involved wrapping two sets of cables around the ship, special
generators aboard ship; there was no intent to produce invisibility,
radar or otherwise, it was strictly a matter of exploding those
German magnetic mines. They did explode a lot of them; they saved
quite a few ships as the result of it, and that project was entirely
I think at this point we’ll set up the slides.
At this Mr. Bielek shows some slides of the college at Princeton.
These slides include area sites of the school ie., the room from
were he was taught, the inner courtyard, a few trees, and other
items around the school. But he also showed a slide of the building
where they first conducted the experiment of making things
invisible—optically invisible! Mr. Bielek produced other slides of
the original equipment from the Philadelphia Experiment, from the
Eldridge, the ship from which the experiment had taken place. Few of
the slides were of one of the special generators, and controls. He
also mentioned that he knew that this equipment actually came from
the Eldridge, because of the feeling or the VIBES, of being around
And Mr. Bielek continues....
Ok, once the experiment failed insofar as
Tesla’s effort was
concerned, Dr. von Neumann took over. Now some of the other people
in the background that became part of this project are well-known.
One of them is T. Townsend Brown. He has a long history; many people
know him for the fact that he worked in the UFO field with
electrostatics, attempting to prove that you can make an object move
by means of very high voltage of electrostatic fields. And he did a
lot of work and is well documented, well researched. He worked in
his school days, with a Dr. Brown, he became known as Dr. Bifield,
the Bifield Brown Effect.
Eventually he was picked up by the Navy. He joined the Naval
Reserves in 1933 and took part in various little projects. In 1939
they tapped him on the shoulder for active service, and he went in
the Navy. And they gave him the project of developing
countermeasures for mines. And that was his department basically;
you had a number of areas of expertise, he worked on the magnetic
mine project. He was also considered an RF expert, so he also worked
on the Philadelphia Experiment, at least to the extent of designing
a special radio transmitter, and a tower to support the antennas,
which was the high tower on the Eldridge which figures later, and is
shown in the movie and which was accurate, that it was broken, and
it did come down. That was his handiwork, not the breaking of it,
but the original mounting and testing of it.
Before Dr. von Neumann could complete his work he told the Navy,
‘I’ve got to restudy this thing. Obviously it didn’t work, I’ve got
to go back and find out why.’ And he needed a lot of time. The Navy
had no choice, but to give whatever time he demanded. So it went on
in ‘42 through a good part of ‘42 and more theoretical study. Along
about May of ‘42, they decided they were going to need a special
ship. The battleship was no longer available; it went back into
service. They decided they wanted to build a test vehicle from the
ground up. So along about June or July they decided to go to the
drawing boards to find out what ships were coming down the ways that
might be suitable, that were going to be built, and they picked on
“DE 173” which later was christened “The Eldridge”. It was not known
at that time by that name.
And in July they modified the drawings. Decided where they wanted
the two generators. The reason why they had to do the modification,
was the destroyer, the ‘DE’, was a rather small ship. Its normal
displacement was around 1500 tons not 30,000. Consequently they had
to fit the equipment, which was quite heavy, very carefully. What
they decided to do was to leave the forward gun turret off, and fill
it in, and to leave a hole there, and the hole was for where the
generators would go. So they mounted the two generators down in the
hole where the turret would have normally been, the powder magazine
and everything else. The motor drive for the generators, the diesel
electric system to drive the entire system, and four transmitters
were eventually mounted on the deck. But the ship had to be built
first. It came down the ways about October of ‘42 and then it went
to dry dock, but it started out fitted with various pieces of
equipment. So along about January of ‘43 it was virtually ready.
Now insofar as the “human equation” was concerned, what they were
going to do for a crew... about June or so of ‘42 they decided they
were going to have to have a special crew. All volunteer,
handpicked, who would probably, and as they did, essentially sign
their lives away. They were volunteers, they would not be
responsible, so on and so forth, and they were told that it was
going to be an very exotic experiment and there was some danger
possibly involved. ‘Do you want to volunteer?’
Well they got the kind of people they wanted, about 33, and they
went through a special training school at Groton, Connecticut, a
Coast Guard Academy. About three months of training. Graduated in
December of ‘42, and who was the head of the class, the instructor
as it were, whose photo, as well as the entire graduating class
showed up? This is still in the family files, believe it or not, was
our father, in his Naval uniform. How he got back into the Navy, we
don’t know, unless it was a Coast Guard uniform, but it looked to me
like a Navy uniform. And all the enlisted personnel including two
warrant officers, they were then, as you might say, swept off to
Philadelphia where they were assigned, not knowing of course when
the ship would be ready. And they remained on call until they were
needed. Those thirty three, went through, approximately, went
through special training, and they were warned of certain things,
but nobody expected what actually happened. Since a special crew was
available, the ship was being outfitted in January and this was
going on and some tests began, about January of ‘43, separate
systems. Nothing was ever tested completely together, it could not
be because that was the final test.
So various subsystems were tested; the
generators, the RF
transmitters. Tesla used three, Von Neumann went to four and he
finally decided the power of the transmitters selected by Tesla,
which were General Electric. The 500 kilowatt CW was not sufficient.
He put boosters on them to raise each one to 2 megawatt CW and the
two generators remained essentially the same, 75 KVA each. Fairly
low frequency, motor driven, special synchronizing circuits to make
sure the two generators were in absolute sync, otherwise it wouldn’t
work. A special generator system was built with another very exotic
device — it was inherited directly from Tesla — and that was the
Time Reference Generator.
Now what is a Zero Time Reference? This is a term you won’t see in
the text-books. It is a system which quite simply locks to the
earth’s field, the earth’s magnetic structure, and also its mass
resonance through a very ingenious system designed by Tesla. Now
all the planets in our system and all of the planets throughout this
galaxy are basically locked in the cosmology and having what you
call a Zero Time Reference which is the Geocentric center of our
galaxy. Everything has to be referenced to this Zero Time point,
it’s a reference really. Regardless of the local time, you must
reference to this thing to make everything work. And Tesla found the
means to do this rather simply. These reference generators exist in
every FAA system ever built for the glide slope [sic?], our landing
systems and it was part of the system. All of the generators, most
generators like the one I showed you, and various other equipment.
The final version some 3000 ‘6L6’ tubes were used to drive the field
coils of the two generators, and that was an accurate rendition, by
the way, perhaps not to the exact position, but actually in the
sense that there were a large number of tubes, about 3000 by count.
Along about March of ‘43 von Neumann started to get the shakes. He
would not believe Tesla at first and Tesla kept saying, “There’s
going to be a personnel problem”, and he wouldn’t believe it. Well
my brother and I believed Tesla, because we had a great deal of
respect for him, and my brother went through some of the math and
the equations and the things that Tesla told him, and I did too. We
finally agreed with Tesla and we kept telling von Neumann that ‘you
can’t turn this system on the way it is. You’re going to have a
problem, even Tesla said so.’ Well at the mention of Tesla’s name,
von Neumann at that stage would blow up and he became very upset at
the mere mention of his name. Eventually however he got the message.
He said, maybe there will be a problem. Well let’s see what we can
do about it.
He decided to add a third generator. So they designed and built one
and added it about late April, early May. At this point I’m not
really sure where they put it, it might’ve been on deck, it might’ve
been below deck, because it didn’t stay very long. They had
problems, very serious problems, in that they could never
synchronize it to the other two. Along about the same time, early
‘43, a third man, my brother and I were the ones chosen to run the
equipment by the way and were trained to run the entire system
because we knew what the system was and we had the educational
background to appreciate what he was trying to do.
But as the film showed, and this was correct, we were in enlisted
men’s uniforms. We had first-class Specialist rating and when we
were around the rest of the crew, we wore enlisted men’s uniforms
because we were working with the crew most of the time. In those
days there was a very strong caste system in the Navy. New officers
did not mix with the men very well other than to give them orders.
You didn’t work with them like that in the uniform in those days.
They do now and on the subs they do. But we were told to wear
enlisted men’s uniforms when we were working with the crew and in
the test mode for the ship.
The third man was given to us, a man by the name of Jack, and he was
a technician of sorts, he was a first class electronic technician,
had the right background, and he was just a helper. Along about
June, mid June, in one of the tests, this third generator went
slightly berserk. Started generating enormous arcs. Jack was hit by
one of these arcs and was laid out on the cat walk, cold. We thought
maybe he was dead and the medics came in and hauled him off; he was
in a coma. Stayed in that for about four months and recovered later.
He was never again a part of the project.
So von Neumann looked at this and said ‘the generator is no good,
remove it.’ It was removed and went back to the two generators. He
scratched his head, went back to square one. ‘Well, what do we do
now?’ Decided to go on. The Navy of course was pressuring him in the
meantime, ‘You’ve got to get this thing going.’ They did a lot
further testing. Eventually early July, actually late June, they
decided the ship long since came out of dry dock, and was sitting at
dockside in the Philadelphia Navy yard. We, by the way had an office
in the Philadelphia Navy yard, in the top of one of the buildings.
High security, with a view of the harbor. They decided that the
Eldridge was to go to sea for sea trials, which was normal. So it
spent three days at sea. Mid June, it came back, had the shake-down.
Everything was all right. It did not take the special crew out for
this. It took a normal crew out. And it came back, everything was
fine. Went to dockside for final test.
Finally July 20th, they decided the ship was ready for the final
testing. So the special test crew was assembled, the captain who was
to handle the ship, a man by the name of Hangle, Captain Hangle, a
Navy captain, went on board. He was not the permanent captain.
Everyone went on board on the 22nd, including ourselves. As the
movie showed, the ship went out to its position, its station in the
harbor. At 0900 hours we were told to throw the switch, a whole
series of them really. There were at that point only two generators
left, so the movie was slightly inaccurate in that respect. So they
turned it on and the ship became invisible, according to the
observers. They left it in that mode for some 15-20 minutes. They
said turn it off, and we turned the equipment off. Bring the ship
back to port, and we did. And it was only then when we got it back
to port we realized there was a serious problem.
The personnel, those that were above deck (there were some above
deck and some below deck), were totally disoriented, nauseous,
throwing up, almost to the point of delirious and obviously not with
it. So the Navy saw the state of affairs, they said get the crew off
and we will get you a new crew. Von Neumann knew for sure then that
we had a personnel problem, and he went to the Navy and said,
more time to study this problem. We need to find out what to do to
correct it." The Navy said, “You have a drop-dead date of the 12th of
August, 1943. You will do the testing by then or forget it!”
would not give him a reason why. They gave none of us a reason why.
I went to Hal Bowen and asked him where did this order come from. He
gave it to us. He said ‘I don’t know, but I will find out exactly
where it came from.’ And he finally found out through the chain of
command, that it came from the CNO, who was the Chief of Naval
Operations, which we thought a bit peculiar.
The Chief of Naval
Operations is concerned with the conduct of the war, where the
fleets are, what the ships are doing. He is not concerned about the
details of an engineering project back in Philadelphia yards. I will
let you know there is an engineering project of some kind, there are
several going on. It probably came from above his level. Well we had
the date, von Neumann and everybody worked night and day to try and
make the corrections. The Navy decided in the meantime they did not
want full invisibility. They only wanted radar invisibility. The
reasoning behind this was that at that time, of course, we did not
have such things as inertial guidance systems, we did not have
world-wide Loran and Shoran navigational systems. One is low
frequency and the other one is a medium frequency. All you had to
navigate with was line of sight, the eye and radar. If you make the
ship radar invisible at night, you can’t tell were the ship is
unless it’s optically visible. If it’s optically invisible you may
ram an adjacent ship. That was the thinking and they said no more
optical invisibility. Von Neumann said that we can modify the
equipment for that, and he did.
Came the final and fatal day, 12th of August 1943. Went out into the
harbor again. Everybody was a little shaky, and my brother and
myself particularly. So we went out on station, the orders came to
throw the switch, to fire the equipment. For about 60 to 70 seconds
everything looked okay. They had their radar invisibility, you could
still see the ship, an outline.
Then there was a blue flash and the ship disappeared totally.
At that point of course von Neumann panicked. The ship disappeared
completely, they didn’t know what happened to it. About four hours
later the ship reappeared in the harbor, in the same location where
it had been. It was quite obvious when it reappeared that something
was wrong. They shipped a crew out, a crew on a launch, because they
still had no response to radio signals. They had indications that
something was very seriously wrong. They could already see this
because the antenna superstructure was broken. So out went the crew
and they went and boarded the ship and found the following:
Two men embedded in the steel decks; two men
embedded in steel
bulkheads; the fifth man with his hand embedded in the steel
bulkhead — he lived, they chopped his hand off. Gave him an artificial
hand. People running around totally bananas, and really insane, out
of it. People who were appearing and disappearing. A few who were on
fire, if you remember the biblical story about the bush that burned
without being consumed. They had men like this. And everybody was
seriously disoriented. The only people who escaped this
disorientation were those who were below decks, that also included
my brother and myself. That’s where the very interesting part of the
story comes in.
What happened to the ship and what went wrong. We jumped over the
side of the ship expecting to hit water; we didn’t, we wound up in
1983, August 12, on the shores, if you will, of another project
called the Phoenix Project at Montauk, Long Island, at night, inside
the inner peripheral fences. They had it fully operational at that
time, with guards, guard dogs, and regular helicopter patrol. We
were spotted by a helicopter; we didn’t know what a helicopter was.
The guards came and grabbed us and took us downstairs. It was five
levels of underground at Montauk, and that’s where most of the
equipment was. And we were introduced to Dr. von Neumann. ‘Well who
are you?’ ‘I am Dr. von Neumann.’ We were more than slightly
shocked, because we had just left him in 1943, a relatively young
man, and here was an old man greeting us as von Neumann. He quickly
filled us in as to what had happened, to what was going on, because
he had the final reports. Which is a long story. How did this
happen? And he said, Gentlemen you have to go back and shut off the
equipment on the Eldridge; this has already occurred according to
our records, but it hasn’t actually happened in reality, it has not
happened yet, but you have to go back and do it. We can’t shut it
off from here. We can’t shut this station down; what has happened is
the two experiments in time, exactly forty years apart, have coupled
together, to each other, and created a hole in Hyperspace and which
sucked the Eldridge in.
“You were lucky in a sense; you jumped overboard and wound up here.”
The other personnel, by the way, were still on board the ship,
locked within the bubble of energy which surrounded the ship. He
said “this Hyperspace bubble is expanding, and is going to create
some very serious problems; we don’t know how far it will go if it’s
not shut down. It could engulf part of the planet.” There was a lot
of speculation; he realized that it was something they had no
knowledge of, no control over, and they had to establish control by
shutting down the principal element generating the fields, and that
was the Eldridge. The Phoenix project — won’t go into the history of
it, but at that point which happened to be the last day it was
on-line, had the capability, at that point, and had had for two and
one half years, a total control of time, and they were able to send
us back to the Eldridge, which they did. They said, you will have to
do whatever is necessary to shut off the equipment, smash it if you
have to. Which we did. We picked up axes and smashed everything in
sight. The banks of electron tubes, the power switches, everything
that consisted of control circuitry, and the generators shut down,
and they slowly wound down, and shut down, and things started to
reestablish themselves to normal, ie, the ship returned to its
normal point in the harbor. At the same time, other than a first
slippage of about three or four hours, and at that point I stayed
with the ship. My brother decided, in fact, as I recall, he actually
had orders to return to ‘83, so he jumped over the side of the ship
again. He wound up in ‘83.
They boarded the ship; of course, they found the antenna broken. The
deck equipment was intact. Equipment below decks, in the hole, was
smashed as we had done, and they found the terrible state of the
personnel. Well they couldn’t take the ship back with the personnel.
They put a special crew on, took the ship back to dockside, and held
meetings for some four days with von Neumann, Le Bon,
Batchelor, and a number of other people. ‘Well, what do we do now?”
Well they decided, they would run one more test, and they would
rebuild the equipment, but then the last test would be without
personnel, as the first successful one with a different ship. They
would rebuild it, they would hard-wire it, on the Eldridge. So in
late October, they took the ship out into the outer harbor, at
night, took it out with a standard crew, and the crew left the ship.
They had about a thousand feet of cable so that they could turn the
equipment on, and hopefully turn it off again. At the appropriate
hour, which is about 10:00 at night, 2200 hours Navy time, they
turned the equipment on and the ship immediately disappeared.
this led to the legends, the apocrypha of stories of the Eldridge
showing up in the harbor of Norfolk, VA and a lot of people have
reported this, it was seen there for ten or fifteen minutes, then
disappeared. Then it returned to the harbor in Philadelphia. When it
returned, as it did, they didn’t have to shut any equipment off, it
was already shut off for them and half of it was missing. They found
two transmitter cabinets missing, one of the generators was missing.
The control room was a smoking ruins. Nobody was there to do it, but
it was a smoky ruins. The Navy got the point that this was something
they were fooling with that they had no cognizance what it was all
about, and they decided to totally scrap the project at that point.
Send the Eldridge back to the ship yard, strip it, re-equip it for
normal sea duty, which they did, and it went back out to sea as a
normal ship, with its normal captain, which had been assigned in
August, actually August 22nd was the christening date after the
second test, which was the real disaster.
It did normal sea duty during the war. In 1946 it wound up in
mothballs along with many other ships. 1950, President Truman made a
transfer of some fifty destroyers to Greece and other nations in
Europe. The Eldridge was one of them. It went to the Greeks. The
Navy renamed it the Lion. The Navy repetitively had problems with
that ship themselves and they had to strip it down, themselves, and
repaint it, and re-outfit it, and they had no more trouble out of
it. It may still be in service in the Greek Navy today for all we
know. They don’t scrap ships as fast as we do. But they also
inherited the log, the log from the Eldridge. As the Maritime Law
states, the log must go with the ship. Well, it did. When they
opened it up, they found out something rather interesting. Every
page for that log prior to January 1, 1944, was missing, and no
prior history to what the ship had done. That so far as the log was
concerned, the Greeks could do nothing about it. They could’ve
complained to the Navy, but the Navy was not about to turn anything
more over to them. So that was the end of the saga of the Eldridge.
The project was closed. At that point, there’s one other interesting
aspect I forgot to mention which does figure into the whole story.
Approximately six days before the final test on the Eldridge, in
August, the one which was a complete disaster, three UFO’s showed
up, over the Eldridge. At what altitude, I don’t know. I do not
recall having seen them. My brother did and other people did. And
they just sat there. Now what they were doing, we don’t know other
than they were observing. At the time of the test when the ship
disappeared into Hyperspace, one of those UFO’s disappeared with it.
It wound up in Montauk, in the underground. It was sucked through
Hyperspace and wound up in the underground intact! It was later
Now after the project was closed,
von Neumann was moved of course to
Los Alamos, New Mexico, because he then went to work with
Oppenheimer on the Atomic Bomb project. The Atomic Bomb project of
course was successful. They had problems too, but there is no need
to go into that. And the contest which had existed for quite a few
years between the Navy and the Army as to whose secret weapon was
going to be used to win the War, went to the Army and the Atomic
Bomb project. Leslie Groves went out on that. We can only speculate
at this point what might’ve happened had the Navy’s test been
successful: they would’ve probably received all the funding, and
they probably would have been shipping pieces of equipment onto all
of the Navy’s ships, perhaps Merchant Mariners, because the
Mariners was also very interested at that time. A gentleman by the
name of Carl Allende, commonly called, according to the stories
which had circulated for years, “Carlos Miguel Allende”, was an
observer on the SS Furuseth, a merchant mariner at the time of that
test in August. Many stories are told about him, he has been
interviewed many times, and certain things just don’t hang together
in the stories he tells. He may well have been there, but nobody has
been able to nail down his real history.
In ‘47 the Navy decided to reopen the project. In the meantime there
had been a small reorganization of the entire military structure.
The Department of Defense was established, you had the Department of
the Army, the Department of the Navy, the Department of the Air
Force, which came into being in 1947. You had Chiefs of Staff, Joint
Chiefs of Staff, and of course the big building called the Pentagon.
Well the Navy’s infrastructure changed and a lot of the wartime
people were retired. Somebody else came into the office of Naval
Research, and said to Dr. von Neumann, let’s reopen this project,
“Project Rainbow”. Find out what really happened, see if there is
anything in it that we can salvage.
So we did or started to, then I got called out to
Los Alamos and to
a place called Camp Hale, Colorado, along with Dr. Vannevar Bush;
and what was he doing? He and Vannevar Bush were the scientific team
in charge of recovering a crashed UFO at Aztec, New Mexico in 1947.
It was totally unbeknownst to me because, in the meantime, the Navy
washed me out and did a number on me, and he was there again in 1948
for another crash, or two crashes, of more UFO’s; everyone or all of
the bodies were dead in those cases. In 1949 one crashed more or
less intact, and they recovered a live one. This one was called
“EBE-1”, and was found wandering around in the fields. They captured
him, and they took care of him, and they tried to find out what made
him “tick”. They communicated with him — him or it. They couldn’t see
if there was any determination of sex of this individual. They
called in the doctors because he was obviously not too well. He was
getting worse by the day. Doctors couldn’t do a thing with him, they
didn’t know what was wrong. Something familiar with that statement,
They called in a botanist, a
PHD in botany. He found out what was
wrong. This little guy had CHLOROPHYLL in his veins. Stood about
three feet high. Looks like a typical picture of the little Gray’s,
except he wasn’t a Gray. But he had chlorophyll in his veins and he
lived on sunshine. So they had to keep him out in the sunshine, at
least some part of the time. And the rest of the time they kept him
under wraps and they also kept him well-guarded because he had a
very strange characteristic: they found out not only was he
completely telepathic, and capable of communicating with fellow
kindred, members of his group, but he also, they found, had a very
interesting strange property — he could walk through walls. So they
found out how to stop that. They kept him in a Faraday cage most of
the time, which turns out that was the way, this one and others like
him were transported by those who later turned out to be the little
Gray’s. And that’s another story I won’t get into, but nevertheless
he was captured alive and eventually died after some one and a half
to two years. They gained a lot of information.
But before he died a number of strange things happened. He
communicated. I am told by someone who was once in the government
that he gave the basis of the modern transistor to Dr. von Neumann
and to Dr. Vanover Bush. Whether this is true or not I don’t know,
because Bell Labs had already announced the transistor in 1947. But
it was a different device. It was a Germanium pellet with cat
whiskers, and of course it developed from that point on if you are
familiar with the history of transistors. But supposedly he gave
them the information and sketches to the most rudimentary
transistors based on their own communication system, which was not
understood — nothing was understood on board their ships. But he also
told Dr. von Neumann about his problem. The problem with
Eldridge, and how basically he could solve it. He didn’t tell him
exactly how to solve it, and he told him what was wrong, gave him
some clues, and said ‘you will have to go back to the drawing board
and solve it yourself. I’m not solving it for you!’
He did, about 1949, finally after doing his homework and a lot of
study in metaphysics. Which, if you can imagine a hardheaded
mathematician being forced to study metaphysics and matters of the
occult, was probably obnoxious to him at first, but he did
eventually become quite versed in the subject, and recognized the
problem, and went to work on it.
Now what was the nature of the problem that he finally came to grips
with? It was rather basic. The ship came back to its point of
reference because it had a Zero Time Generator and the reference
system which brought it back. That remained intact; it was the
generators that were destroyed, and certain other equipments which
were destroyed, but that zero reference device brought the ship back
to its original point of reference, even though it had shifted time
Humans are born, or I should say not only born but at the time of
conception, as he found out with his research, with their own TIME
LOCKS. Now you would have to go into some rather obscure physics,
I’ll leave out the math and try to make it simple. We’re not living
in a three dimensional universe. We’re living in a five dimensional
universe. The fourth and fifth dimensions are TIME. The fourth time
dimension of course has been well alluded to as outlined by Einstein
and others. The fifth dimensional concept actually goes back to
1931, to P.D. Aspinski and his book “Tertium Organum”, a new model
of the universe, in English. And he spoke of the five dimensions of
our reality. He named the fourth as time; he never really got around
to naming the fifth.
But von Neumann realized, as it is known today by some physicists,
that the fifth dimension is also time; it is a spinnor, a
rotating around the first primary vector which indicates the flow
and direction of time. The flow is immaterial. We say that we are
moving forward in time, that’s because of our looking at it, and our
reference. We don’t sense time but it does flow at a fairly stable
rate. And this other vector running around it is of no concern to
However every human at the time of conception
is given a set of
locks, if you will (it’s part of the genetic structure), to the time
point at which that individual is locked at conception, so that that
individual flows with time and one born and lives a life out is
referenced to everything around him which he comes to know all his
friends, family, schooling, whatever, and doesn’t slip in and out of
time from the point of reference which he is used to. That is,
In the case of the experiment on the Eldridge, the power was so
enormous that it ruptured the time references of those individuals
who were directly exposed to the fields, namely those above deck.
They lost their time references. Once the ship came back, is when
the trouble started. As long as it was in Hyperspace and the
generators were going, they were all contained within the field. So
far as I know, nobody else jumped overboard but the two of us. In
retrospect, I wonder whether we ever should have, but nevertheless
we did, and the events that took place, took place. When the fields
collapsed, these individuals, having lost their time references
right up to that point, who were held and contained within the
field, started to drift. Some of them drifted totally out of
reality, others drifted around, and were lucky if they got their
feet on the deck, and some drifted and finally materialized, as
happened, two on the deck, two in the bulkheads, and one with his
hand in the wall, and that was because of the fact that they lost
their time references, and they drifted, and they happened to drift
back. Some never came back at all! Others did this strange number of
disappearing and rematerializing, repeatedly!
And there were those strange cases who were on fire, as the saying
goes, such as the Biblical story of the bush that burns and is not
consumed. There were a number of individuals who did this. The Navy
spent a fortune in electronic equipment trying to correct the
problem. Eventually they did, more or less. But everybody was in
quarantine for a long period.
To this day the Navy
will not admit that this experiment never took
place. There have been a lot of inquiries to the Navy. Many form
letters were sent out by the Department of the Navy denying that
there ever was such an experiment. They do not deny that the
Eldridge existed, but they deny that the experiment ever took place.
And in 1979, when William Moore and Berlitz wrote their book and
released it, Moore estimated that at that point the Navy had spent
probably in excess of two million dollars in answering questions
about the Philadelphia Experiment, with form letters that were sent
out. They still deny it ever took place.
In any case, von Neumann did his homework, realizing he needed a
computer to solve the problems related to the personnel. So he went
back to the drawing board, as the saying goes, at the Institute and
he developed the first all-electronic computer. To that date there
were no electronic computers. Von Neumann is the father of the
modern electronic computer. It is well-known and well documented.
About 1950 he had something working and in ‘52 they had a fully
working model, and books are still on the shelves down at the
Institute the bigestry [?] of his development was with Dr. Goldsten,
who is still in Philadelphia, no longer connected with the
Institute. I’ve talked with Dr. Goldsten. And in ‘53, approximately
he, delivered a new system to the Navy, with a computer, with the
total correction factors. Precisely what he did, I do not know. But
they conducted another test with a different ship, a different crew,
totally successful, no side effects. The Navy was elated. of course,
the war was over, but they immediately classified this project,
dropped the name “Project Rainbow”, and reclassified it “Project
From that point on they developed other systems, other hardware
which goes into extremely sensitive areas; I will not go into them
publicly. But many things have came out of that. Among them were
several medical studies, at least four medical reports were written.
I know of these, for George Hoover who was part of the commission in
the Office of Naval Research investigating the matter when it came
up again in ‘55 (because of the “Allende Letters” and Dr. Morris K.
Jessup’s involvement). But Hoover said to me on the phone, he’s now
retired and living in California—he said, well of course he
realized, and he said, Moore didn’t realize, that there were any
other projects going on at that time, and of course he knew about
the degaussing experiments.
He said that there were also, as a result of the
Experiment, Project Rainbow, a lot of medical studies made. He said,
never before in history had the human mind and the human body been
subjected to such intense magnetic fields, and powerful
electromagnetic fields. They didn’t know what the consequences would
be. He said, they found out as a result of those studies, a great
many things in terms of the consequences. He said, there were very
valuable reports. They certainly were; many other things came out of
it, after that. Well, the Navy solved the problem, eventually, and
von Neumann stayed around.
What happened to me? What happened to my brother? I did somewhat
forget that. I didn’t forget it, I just left it for the end. My
brother returned to 1983! Shortly there after he lost his ‘time
locks’ due to an accident, and he aged very, very rapidly, at the
rate of a year per hour. He died within a few days. They tried to
keep him alive with some other hardware they had since developed.
But they couldn’t, he died. But it was very important, for reasons I
can not go into, to keep him alive. So whether you will accept the
metaphysical point of view or not, it was arranged, I was allowed to
help arrange it. Because I was back in ‘43 and there was some
transit back and forth because of Montauk, which was still on line
for a period of time. To go back to the father and say, ‘Hey man,
get busy; we need another son, something has happened to Duncan.’ So
a new son, the last of the line, was born in 1951, and he from ‘83
was a walk-in, as a soul into the body in 1963, August 12th. It had
to be August 12th. And he’s the man you saw in the picture today. He
does have the memories, of the whole thing, more or less. There are
holes and there are gaps.
There’s another element involved in this as to why the two ships
locked up. Had that experiment not been conducted on the 12th of
August, if it had been the 10th or the 14th of August, or, as was
the case in July, considerably earlier, or had it been postponed to,
let’s say, September, we would have never had the lockup with the
Phoenix Project. Why? It’s a very fundamental point involved here.
Not only do humans have biofields, which are quite well documented
today. They start at birth. But planet Earth has its own set of biofields. This has been discovered rather recently, in the last
decade roughly. Four of them, and they all four peak out once every
twenty years. Guess what date? The 12th of August. 1963, 1983, 1943,
you can go backwards or forwards, always twenty years. And this
creates a very strange set of conditions on planet Earth, where
there is a peak of energy, a peak of magnetic energies, and a
capability of coupling, and this is what happened because of the
culmination of dates of the two experiments, on August 12th, and the
Earth’s biofields peaking out at that time. The energies were
sufficient to create the Hyperspace field and the coupling, which
otherwise would not have occurred, and the Eldridge slipped into
Hyperspace along with the UFO, and the whole scenario came to pass,
as it has been. This was all recorded in the Navy documents, in the
Navy files. They won’t let them loose. I know they exist, I know
somebody who has had access to them, that’s why I know they exist.
And they will not let loose of the story, they do not want the
public, to this day, to know how disastrous it was.
Now there is an interesting, lets say “post mortem” anecdote to this
story. William Moore, in writing his book (and by the way, I will
indicate, there were two books written. The first one issued in
1978, “Thin Air”, was fictionalized, written by two people I have
never heard of, George E. Simpson and Neil R. Burger. We have no
idea who they are. There are no credits given in the book as to who
the authors are, it’s a standard publication, it’s long since
About a year and a half later the more definitive book, non-fiction
(at least it was not intended to be fiction), written by Berlitz and
Moore, basically by William R. Moore, titled “The Philadelphia
Experiment”, originally hard back, and then of course in paperback.
It became quite popular, they sold over ten million copies to date.
I don’t know what printing it’s in now, but it’s in multiple
Moore in his research, never could pin down the exact date of the
last experiment; he never had any awareness of the “Phoenix Project”
or the coupling, or what the nature of the real disaster was. He did
interview Dr. von Neumann. He interviewed him and called him in the
book, “Dr. Reinhardt”. Interestingly enough in “Thin Air” they also
interviewed a Dr. Reinhardt. One in the same man! Dr. von Neumann.
Von Neumann is not dead! He is alive to this date. The Navy and the
official government records say that he died of cancer in 1957. Well
if he had cancer, which I do not know, if he had it they found a way
and they knew how to cure it. They did. They needed him around. They
kept him on the project. He was the director of the Phoenix Project
until ‘77 when he developed a very pronounced split personality,
which became worse as time went on. And he resigned his position as
director of the project and somebody else took over, Dr. Herman C. Unterman, from Germany. And he became a consultant. He is not dead,
he is still alive, but he is now totally split in personality and
usually the alter ego, a Mr. Howard E. Decker, who is well known in
New York as an surplus Electronics dealer, is the only person that
who shows himself, in the same body. I have spent three hours
talking with Howard Decker, so I know the man is alive, as of
November 1989. And these pictures were taken on this date up there
in his home, rather in bad disrepair. He has become, shall we say, a
sloppy housekeeper since his wife died.
The whole thing died, and in essence was resurrected with
Phoenix Project. My brother was reborn. I was shipped up to ‘83.
They decided they didn’t want me around anymore, for whatever
reasons. And they did a number on me. Total brainwashing,
established a new personality, shipped me back into the past, and I
became Alfred Bielek. With a new set of parents, and a false birth
certificate, and a complete cover up story, which hung together, and
memories, which may or may not be quite true, but nevertheless,
still there. Well indoctrinated. I had not the foggiest notion that
I had ever been involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, much less
the Phoenix Project, until sometime in ‘86 in the Phoenix Project.
The reason why I became aware of that was because I revisited Long
Island and long since left it. Went out on the site at Montauk with
some friends. Eventually some of the memories started to come back.
They said, ‘You were part of it’. I said, ‘No I’m not’. Eventually I
remembered I was.
But in January of ‘88 I remembered the beginnings of memory of the
Philadelphia Experiment, and it has kept growing in terms of memory
since then. My brother does remember it also. And it’s been a
horrendous waste, I would say, of a career of knowledge I once had.
Pieces of it come back at times. But the basic personality now
remains quite stably as Al Bielek and the memories of Edward A.
Cameron flit in and out, but they’re mostly there now, particularly
the earlier years, up to and through the experiment. From ‘43 to ‘47
a good part of it is blank. I don’t know what else happened. Except
I know that in ‘47 they decided that I was no longer useful. In fact
I had to be gotten rid of. So that basically is the story of what
But the other interesting anecdote which
William Moore uncovered in
his research: He was also interested in UFOs; 1975 in late December,
or early January perhaps ‘76, he went up to visit a family in
Canada, who, on September 12th, I believe it was, had an encounter
in Ontario province, with a UFO. A very simple farmer. He was
driving home one night in his truck, found a UFO parked in the road,
straddling the road he was supposed to go down. Nobody there, no
lights on, nothing. He looked at it, ‘what the blazes is this?’,
turned around to go the other way, and what does he do? He
practically runs down a Ufonaut, standing about three and a half
feet high, in a silver suit, who was in the middle of the roadway.
He jammed on his brakes, missed him by inches; it was a gravel road
and he skidded, and this little ufonaut, whatever he was, whomever
he was, jumped over the fence and disappeared.
Approximately December 12th, according to
Moore’s date of December
12th, this family, after having a lot of harassment from the
neighbors, because some of the UFO’s kept coming into the area. And
they were souvenir hunting and everything else, and they didn’t know
what to do to try and keep the whole thing quiet. They were visited
by three very high-level officers, one from the Canadian Armed
Services, representing the province of Ottawa; one Air Force
General, from the Pentagon; and a Navy officer, from the Office of
Naval Intelligence. They apologized to these two people. They said,
what happened to you was not supposed to happen.
‘Well what do you
mean it wasn’t supposed to happen?’
‘It was an accident.’
do you mean, an accident?’
‘Well, it wasn’t supposed to happen. We
were sent here to make a formal apology, and to answer any questions
you might have. What would you like to know?’
This is probably one
of the few times that the government has ever opened up, and they
said, according to William Moore’s account, they got questions
answered for the next two hours or so. And all of a sudden the
Office of Naval Intelligence, officer blurted out a very interesting
commentary. He says,
‘Oh, we have had contact with the
1943. It was due to an accident of an experiment that the Navy was
running at that time, on invisibility!
So with that I will close the formal presentation and if you have
any questions, I will do my best to answer them.
The person who has made this tape or taped this conference has
missed the very first part of the questions, and answers. At which
point to how much was missing, I have no idea.
ANSWER: The experiment was expanded. They tried in 1948, the Naval
Air Armed tried to see if they could get this project to work before
von Neumann’s resurrected work, on an aircraft. They had an F-80
available to them. They attached some smaller equipment. Well you
don’t need tons and tons of equipment for an aircraft, so they
shrank it down. Put a system aboard the F-80, followed the
directions on ground under radio control from the pilot, go off into
a certain area and turn the equipment on, and after it becomes radar
invisible for a certain period of time, turn it off. Everything was
fine. Returned to base. Everything was fine. They said ok. Well
looks like we have it. But let’s be safe!
They quarantined the officer for about a year, the pilot, and the
aircraft. About a year later they said, Ok, take it up again, but
let’s send an observer with you this time. And we will try it again
in the same area. So they went up and everything was fine until they
turned on the equipment. The pilot disappeared and was never seen
again. The observer was not a trained pilot for an F-80. He couldn’t
control the aircraft; it crashed. The body of the observer was
recovered, but never the body of the pilot. So that was the end of
the attempts to use aircraft, at least at that phase. Since then, I
understand, they do have the equipment small enough to put on a
large aircraft. But that’s highly classified.
QUESTION: Would you say that there is any experimentation in
controlled time travel?
ANSWER: Yes. There has been and that again is highly classified
government knowledge, but there definitely has been. Time Travel
You have a question over there?
QUESTION: That was one of my questions, that
Time Travel did
actually exist.Does is currently still exist? Are they still using it? Or do you
ANSWER: It does still exist; beyond that I will not state.
QUESTION: When you were talking about the invisibility of the ship,
you said the first experiment went fine, and the second experiment
was the one that messed up. What you meant, I mean I took it as you
meant, actually invisibility as well as radar invisibility was
achieved even on the first one?
ANSWER: That’s correct. In terms of the hardware was successful. In
terms of the personnel, it was not successful, it was a complete
disaster. Now it was not a complete disaster in the first test July
22nd, it was a bad enough disaster that they changed crews and
realized there was a serious problem. The second test might have
been successful if they had not of coupled to the Phoenix Project.
In terms again of the hardware, but it was a complete disaster both
in terms of hardware and personnel.
QUESTION: You said that they had to have your brother back. Was that
something that’s just his own personal knowledge, that they needed
him still, or was that sorta, a grid like of time, or the proverbial
rapture that you hear of that they, or the scientists have let that
word out, or somebody’s coined it.
ANSWER: He was needed back for reasons which are extremely
sensitive, but he had to be kept alive as well as myself, and a
third party. The only way I can state it was, if he had died and not
been reborn after the equipment and projects went down on both ends,
there could have been a very serious problem. So we are stabilizing
factors, I’ll put it that way, and I will not go beyond that point.
But he had to be alive and he is alive.
QUESTION: Is there such a thing as
a Rapture of traveling through
time and changing something that has happened? Would it cause what
they fear as it would?
ANSWER: The Rapture, you call it — I don’t know if there’s a term or
an expression I ever have seen, which would describe it as you have
seen, or read it someplace. I can’t really answer that as a yes or
no. I don’t know.
COMMENT: Yeah, you couldn’t could you! Ha! Ha! Ha!
COMMENT: You couldn’t answer that because, you really wouldn’t
probably know, because if something serious really happened you
might not be here to tell it!
ANSWER: That’s right. Something very serious happened of course; it
was not a joy ride.
QUESTION: Assuming that the government is testing technology of this
nature, I want to know why it is not putting it to use to help this
planet, to help the public and everything on this planet. We have so
many damn hard problems, and they’re not using any of it to help.
ANSWER: Well...to answer that question, I will have to give you an
answer in two parts.
1. We have had a two-tiered
technology for at least a century, perhaps longer, in that there
are technological developments which have been withheld from the
public, and have been held in the hands of a controlling elite,
if you will, for at least a century, perhaps a century and a
half, because that technological base goes back to
about 1800 or earlier. And insofar as to why isn’t released at this
time, or in this era because of the problems we have. If you have
the means to do things, like, lets say for example, travel in time,
or develop new energy systems, or new communication systems, or let
us say, travel to the planets. If you contain those developments
within a very small group, a controlling group, you can quite
literally control the planet and humanity. And if you don’t let the
rest of the public know what’s going on, you, A) Have a very good
handle for control for yourself, within this group.
secondly, you have another problem called economic crackup. If
you were to release certain of these new developments, too
rapidly, and too soon, you totally disrupt our current economic
base, which is based on fossil fuels, electric power generation
going through wires and transformers and such, communications as
we know them, jet aircraft as we know them, and chemical rockets
to get us to the Moon. All of this is based on our current
industry, and our current society, and our current economy. You
don’t supersede this rapidly
overnight. Otherwise you can destroy the economic base. I’m sure at
some time it will be released. But it is not being released now.
That’s one of the reasons why you don’t play games with the basic
economy. And furthermore, those who are benefiting from it, in
terms of gigantic profits, like the oil companies, are not about to
give up their profits.
That’s only one example. I don’t mean to
single them out as being alone, they’re not.
QUESTION: Can you with this technology, go back in time, to say
ANSWER: You can go back as far as you want, or as far forward as you
want, as long as the equipment will take you there. Yes.
QUESTION: And also is this part of the
Stealth Bomber technology
ANSWER: That has been rumored. That it is part of it. Yes.
QUESTION: You said that you did not have any memories of this until
‘83 or thereabouts?
QUESTION: Okay. Where did the information for the book, and also the
movie come from?
ANSWER: The first book we don’t really know. Other than that,
definitely identified that Dr. Reinhardt, i.e. Dr. John von Neumann,
was interviewed and he gave a lot of information. Where some of the
other came from? I don’t know. They didn’t get very far in the
archives, because the Navy is not releasing the archives. What loose
information is around, I don’t know. Moore did a great deal of leg
work and research and he did for us, under the Freedom of
Information Act, free some of the information out; he didn’t really
get much from the Navy, because the basic Freedom of Information Act
was not in place I think until about 1981. And he had a very
difficult time getting anything loose from anyone.
Ivan T. Sanderson — he never wrote a book on the subject, died in
1973 -- was very interested in the Philadelphia Experiment himself;
in fact some of his final material wound up in Moore’s hands and
that’s where Moore did get some of his research material. But where
he basically got the information he obtained, I don’t know. Other
than some interviews, an interview someplace along the line with Allende and whomever else. I never talked with
Moore, and I don’t
know where he got his source, or his sources of information.
QUESTION: How about the movie?
ANSWER: The movie is produced by
EMI Thorn. Thorn Industries existed
from the turn, well sometime in the 19th century, 1820-1830. It was
the company in England that produced scientific instruments for
England and for Europe. It was taken over in 1850 by the Wilson
Brothers, who inherited it from their mother. And they were in it
until sometime after the turn of the century, when they died. In the
1980’s—late ‘70’s early ‘80’s—I don’t know the exact date, but there
was a merger between Thorn Industries and EMI Corporation. An
electromagnetic industries which EMI label and records are very
well-known in England, and here, and all over the world. There was a
merger. Who bought who out? I don’t know. And they decided they were
going to do a movie. They decided on doing the Philadelphia
Now during that period when they were filming, or perhaps just
prior, a certain friend of mine on Long Island was questioned,
queried repeatedly, by a fairly well-known movie actor who became
director of the film, but he does not appear in the credits. His
logo from New World Pictures is there, so I know who it is. He asked
my friend a thousand questions as he said about the Philadelphia
Experiment. He certainly knew quite a bit about it, but he didn’t
know all about it. We assumed that he supplied the basic material
for the film. It wasn’t so! According to a very bizarre story, and
you can accept it or not if you wish: In February of 1989, I was in
New York, along with my brother, and a gentleman by the name of
Preston Nichols, who did a presentation to the New York Chapter of
the USPA, the United States Psychotronics Association (Clarence
Robinson, president). He did the Phoenix Project, and I did the
Philadelphia Experiment, and a video tape was made of this thing
privately. We knew there was somebody there filming. It was not for
The story I was given, quite a few months later, by
rather interesting. He said along about July, he was visited one
night in his lab. Somebody knocked on the door. They said, ‘Preston
Nichols?’ ‘Yes!’ ‘I am Bill... so & so from EMI Thorn Industries in
England. I am their chief archivist. I thought you would like to
know the story.’ He said, ‘We’ve been looking for you, for quite
some time.’ He says, ‘What do you mean you’ve been looking for me.’
He said, ‘I can show you why.’ And he showed him a picture, taken of
a family portrait of the Wilson brothers in 1890, along with a third
Aleister Crowley. He is quite well-known to people in
Metaphysics, regardless of what you think of him. He was apparently
a very heavy investor in the corporation, and he lived until the
fifties, 1950, and a fourth party. The fourth party was a picture of
my friend Preston, looking approximately ten years older than he
does now. He said, ‘We had this picture when we saw the video tape
of you in New York giving this presentation; we knew we had finally
found you.’ He says, ‘Can I have the picture?’ He said, ‘No.’ He
says, ‘Well what’s the story?’
He said, ‘The story is, that Crowley said that you were not of this
time.’ (Referring to 1890.) ‘You were out of the FUTURE! And you
gave us the entire story of the Philadelphia Experiment, and it has
been in our archives since 1890! We’ve known the story, we have now
only decided, recently,’ that’s 1983 approximately, ‘to produce it.’
Well, they went to the U.S. government to film on Long Island,
because they knew that the other terminal was on Long Island at
Montauk. The U.S. government totally refused to allow them near the
place. That’s when they went over to Wendover, Utah for the other
terminal of the ‘84, as they called it, experiment. I know Wendover,
Utah, because I worked in Salt Lake City and I went out to Wendover
a number of times; that’s the old Wendover Air Force Base, which was
used during World War II extensively. But that is, Believe it or Not
(Ripley would’ve loved this one), the story of how they got the
script, or the basic material to write the script of the
Philadelphia Experiment. They embellished it of course. He admitted
to this. They added things to make this a more interesting story.
The love angle, the trips into California and so forth. So a good
part of this was fiction, but the basic story was fact, which they
expanded to make the movie.
QUESTION: You were also reluctant to talk about other highly
classified projects that you are aware of now, but obviously the
Philadelphia Experiment is highly classified too. Why?
Philadelphia Experiment is theoretically
There is a law in the books, statute books which says, that any
government project which isn’t classified, is automatically
declassified after forty years. Now that experiment took place in
‘43, it was terminated in ‘43, consequently forty years later it is
‘83. So it was declassified, theoretically in ‘83. Now a project in
reference to it may be declassified, but the government has ways of
hiding references to it in the files, such that you are going to
find it, if you know the code numbers to find the file. Technical
manuals or technical reports, into that project may not be
declassified. There is a law which says, if it’s in the interest of
national security, technical reports and other information
pertaining to a declassified project may not be released. As a
typical example, after World War II was over, some years ago, the
Norton K2 bomb sites started showing up in the surplus stores in New
York and everywhere. They were selling the entire bomb sites, from
prices varying from $2500 a copy to down eventually to something
like $200 a copy. You could get the thing complete, intact! But you
could not lay your hands on the manuals, to tell you what it did, or
how to use it, because they were still classified top secret, and
are still. But the device itself is totally declassified.
QUESTION: I have two questions. One of them has to deal with your
traveling into the future, and seeing the Doctor that was in charge
of the Phoenix Experiment and who was also in charge of the
Philadelphia Experiment. You knew that you had gone, and then you
went back. You knew you were in the future, but at that time the
Doctor did not know. Is that correct?
ANSWER: No, no, He knew, he in ‘83 knew where he was.
QUESTION: Yeah, but in ‘43 he didn’t.
ANSWER: No, he did not know a thing about it at that time. I
eventually told him what was going on, and that’s why eventually he
wrote a report, because he became cognizant of the facts.
QUESTION: When was that written: in ‘43 or ‘83?
ANSWER: In ‘43 on, there were a series of reports written, and he
knew the facts as to what had gone wrong in the coupling to the
future. But he also was asked in ‘47 to resurrect the experiment.
QUESTION: But that’s where I was curious: If you had told him that
you had seen him in the future, and pretty much...
ANSWER: He didn’t believe it. He most certainly did not believe it
at first, eventually he did come to believe it!
QUESTION: Just due to your persuasion?
ANSWER: I’m sorry?
QUESTION: Was that due to your persuasion why he believed you?
ANSWER: Nnno! It wasn’t entirely due to that, there were other
QUESTION: The second question has to do with the comments that some
person made about Pearl Harbor, saying that within a short time we
are going to be at war with Japan, and they are going to bomb Pearl
Harbor. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong, but I thought Pearl Harbor
was a real surprise to us?
[......Audience chuckled and laughed a little....]
ANSWER: I’m sorry Ma’am;
it was no surprise to the administration,
they set the whole thing up for the Japanese to bomb us to get us
into the war. It was setup by the President himself, George C.
Marshall. The only ones in the dark about this was, is Admiral Kenwell, and
General Short, they were at Pearl Harbor at that time.
They were not told what was going on. They demanded a Court Martial
immediately afterwards. They were relieved of their duty, that’s
when they demanded a court martial, because they knew there was
something wrong going on and they were not given their requested
court martial until after the war was over.
NOTE: I could not understand the Oriental names he mentioned. If any
you know, please contact me and let me know. Thanks. C. Tippen
And then of course the records surfaced, from the captured Japanese
records from ====Insconsoyya====and the whole peace cabinet, and
Toyjo, and the whole thing, and the way they were pushed and pushed
and pushed by Roosevelt, until save face, they started the motions
and sent the fleet out to attack Pearl Harbor. They wanted to settle
with the U.S., without a war!
QUESTION: Is this common knowledge?....
...Bielek kept talking...
Roosevelt wouldn’t have it. Now there whereas certain military people
who did not, and did know what was going on. Certain high brass, but
not the people stationed at Pearl Harbor.
QUESTION: I have one question. Do you recall that a
Dr. Harry Woo
was connected with Project Rainbow?
ANSWER: What was the name?
QUESTION: Harry Woo. He was a fourth generation Chinese gentleman;
he was the physicist connected with R&D, Navy, and the Pentagon.
QUESTION: WOO! W...O...O
Woo. No, I do not recall anyone by that name, not at
this point. If he had a connection with the project, it was possible
that he was down at Princeton, or at some other point. You see there
are a lot of people who are connected with that project, and were
not on staff. That is, formerly attached to the staff at Princeton,
and they would never show up on the records, and I looked through
the records that are available in the archives. Of course Dr. Von
Neumann is there; Tesla is not, he was never on staff; uhh,
Le Bon is not there by any record we could find, though he was to my
knowledge on staff. Clarkston was on staff, but he was under a
different name at that time. Clarkston is currently a pseudonym, a
cover; not Clarkston, he goes by a different name, but Clarkston
a pseudonym even then. Just as Reinhardt was a pseudonym for
Neumann. Not heard of the gentleman, no.
QUESTION: Dr. Woo, was assigned by the Navy to investigate the
reports; this was...
ANSWER: That could be...
QUESTION: Well he mentioned
Rupell. He met and talked with Rupell,
and he mentioned some other people, and I thought perhaps that he
might’ve been connected...
ANSWER: I was not involved at that point with any of the
investigations, and I was in another department of the Navy which
sprang up, apparently, concurrent, and obviously much later after
the time period of August ‘43.
Uh, you have a question over here?
QUESTION: Yes! You said that in 1943 you went to ‘83, and back to
‘43. And when you came to with your memory in ‘88, it would show
that in this particular dimension you were possibly somewhere else
in ‘83.... Do you know what I am saying? You were in two places in
ANSWER: True. In 1983, I as Alfred Bielek was working in Los
Angeles, California. I was a little far removed from the East Coast.
QUESTION: So, is the universe laid out like a hologram, where you go
different places in the time, this is just another....
ANSWER: You get into some very complex problems here in terms of
man who did the greatest amount of work on this was a Dr. Norman
[Note: In other speeches Bielek has called this person
Levinson, or Levenson. Has he changed his mind or has our
transcriber goofed? -- R. A]
who will not show in any of the biographies of who’s who, in the
science or mathematics. He’s American. He’s written three books I
know of. He was an assistant professor of mathematics at MIT in
1955, when he became full professor of Mathematics at MIT, until he
died about 1974. Born in 1912. And he figured very heavily in the
background of the Philadelphia Experiment, because he developed the
time equations from work previously done, and those are totally
classified. You will have quite a problem finding his books. He
wrote a book entitled “Ordinary Differential Equations”. And
published by McGraw Hill, I believe in 1974. I have all the data if
you’re interested. I have the names, and the titles, and the usement
numbers of the books.
But I never could find them searching in Phoenix, in any of the
libraries. Finally on my last trip back East, I went down to
Princeton. I said, if anybody is going to have them, then Princeton
will. Well they had them in their card file. But not on the shelves
in the graduate school library, but in the Institute they had the
books on the selves.
QUESTION: Well, do you know how that happened, so you can tell me,
or is it just.....
ANSWER: No, he has been made largely into an non-entity,
non-scientifically, not because he was a bad person, but because,
apparently, of the nature of his work. Why there is no reference to
him in the scientific literature, I can’t quite understand, unless
it’s very deliberate.
QUESTION: What I was saying is, do you know how you were in two
places.., at the same place..., I mean in the same year at two
different places. Do you understand that, like...
ANSWER: Well, in terms of temporal time, you can say that I was in
two places at the same time. They were separated. But in terms of
myself, I was only in one place, in that you will have to follow the
individual’s progress through time in the loop-backs, which takes
place, and this is a very difficult concept, and difficult to
understand, unless you have looked at some of the math. Even the
math is very difficult. But it can be expressed in terms of travel
through time through various loops, you can by.., if you don’t cross
your path in the same location, you can have a very disastrous
QUESTION: Does it all go on at once?
ANSWER: I’m sorry...
QUESTION: Does it all go on, there’s just no telling, so it all goes
on at once? We’re limited in thinking, with time.
ANSWER: If you were to cross your own path, you would have a very
serious problem: you might disappear, but as long as you don’t cross
your own pathway, in the same physical location where you can reach
out and touch yourself, so to speak, there is no real problem.
You have a question over here?
QUESTION: Yes, I have a couple of questions. The first one,
something about the August 12th date. The way I understand it after
listening to you, was that it was pure coincidence that the
disastrous experiment occurred on August 12th, and it was also the
second coincidence that the Phoenix link-up was also performed on
August 12th? If neither one of those was performed on those dates,
then you would not have the Hyperspace link? Is that correct?
ANSWER: That is correct. If, not insofar as the
Phoenix Project was,
is concerned, because that series of experiments was going on for
two and a half years, and as I understand it, from the records that
have been captured, if you will, by a certain friend when we went
through that area, after they abandoned it, they left a lot of
paperwork and books behind. They went on twenty-four hour, seven day
a week operation from August 1, on, of 1983. Now due to the first biofield’s peakouts on 12th August, which by the way is not an
absolutely exact date, because the calendar system we use is not
absolutely accurate, and the peakouts do not occur with rays of
precision on a given time of that day. It could actually be plus or
minus a day; at that point it was not. If the Eldridge had not done
that experiment on the 12th, and waited two days later, in all
likelihood there would have been no link up. But somebody insisted
that it had to be on the 12th. Accident? We seriously question, I
do, in retrospect, whether it was an accident that they were given
that date. They knew very well that von Neumann would squeeze every
last minute and second out of it he could for further testing and
modification. And therefore they knew he would go on the 12th or
forget it. And he wasn’t the type of man who was about to forget it.
He was hoping for the best and harvested the worst.
QUESTION: On the second time around was it also coincidence that
they didn’t deliberately set it up to try to receive you, at that
time, or know that you were coming?
ANSWER: Are you talking about ‘43 or ‘83?
ANSWER: That was a totally different project, whether or not the
operation at that time being around the clock was due to any
foreknowledge of what was going on in ‘43 or not, I don’t know. I
can’t answer that one, because I simply don’t know.
QUESTION: The other question I had, it seems kinda but, we touched
on earlier about the stealth bomber, but it seems kind of ludicrous
that we spend so much on each aircraft for this same idea that works
perfectly — it’s been proved that it works perfectly, that they
could’ve dampen [?] it by now, and cut the cost tremendously.
ANSWER: They have probably adapted this type of hardware to other
aircraft. Do you remember the story of the Israeli raid on Entebbe,
Africa, to rescue the some several hundred Jewish people who were
being held prisoner there, at that time? There was quite a long
movie documentary made of this. The facts are that when the state of
Israel ran their rescue planes from Israel across Africa, all of
their radar systems were operating at that time. None picked up the
aircraft going across Africa. They hit Entebbe in total surprise,
with no forewarning. They had systems for blocking out the radar.
QUESTION: What did you experience, what did you see, when you moved
QUESTION: What did you experience when you moved through time?
ANSWER: You really don’t experience much of anything. It’s a falling
sensation, it’s very much like if you jumped off a high building,
and didn’t see the bottom, and didn’t know where you were going, or
if you fell off a cliff, several thousand feet down. You’re falling
and you know you’re falling, and you have the feeling of falling,
and you don’t know where you’re going, or what’s going to happen
eventually. It’s similar to that. We didn’t know what was happening
at that time, we had no idea at that instant when it first happened.
This seems to be the end of the conference. The lady that was the
host of this conference thanked Mr. Bielek for his time, and sharing
the information he had about the Philadelphia Experiment. This was
the end of this tape.
There was another tape made prior to this in December of 1989, as
was told in the above transcription from Alfred Bielek. It seems
that EMI Thorn made this video tape. If this is so and if anybody
has any type of connections to receive this tape, please contact me.
One more thing you may want to think about and also try to locate
this person. As mentioned back on page 29, Preston Nichols has
seemed to do some time traveling himself! From the transcription,
and as I understand this, he was visited sometime in 1983-84 from a
representative of Thorn EMI. In the picture he was around 10 years
older. Well it is now 1991! Just about ten years ago from 1983-84,
that he had this visit from EMI! Sometime soon, this man
Nichols, is going to do some traveling in time. If we can join our
efforts and try to either locate this man, or maybe Mr. Bielek, we
can finally get down to the truth of this forty eight year old
I hope that you have enjoyed this, and if so would like to hear your
comments, concerning the Philadelphia Experiment, UFO’s and other
objects that were mentioned in this document. Also I would like to
hear from you, if you have done any further research into this
experiment. I would also like to know the whereabouts of Alfred Bielek.
Please contact me:
CRC Technology, Inc. Att. Clay Tippen
7809 Cypress St., West Monroe, LA 71291-8282
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The actual video tape that this document was transcribed from was
for sale in Phoenix, Az from a BOOKSTORE! As I understand this, the
owner of the bookstore was at the UFO conference, and taped this.
The quality of the tape is somewhat poor, but that really doesn’t
matter. But what is important is the conference itself. I hope that
the author of this tape doesn’t mind that I have transcribed this
into a document. There were no copyright indications either on the
tape or in writing, and instead of copying the tape, I have decided
to transcribe this to document to share with other interested
If any of you can contact either William Moore, or Charles Berlitz,
I hope that you will give a copy of this to them. Maybe it will help
to further their research, and finally get down to the truth of the
Philadelphia Experiment. Maybe they will have better luck in trying
to track down Mr. Bielek.
NOTE FROM THE CORRECTOR OF THIS FILE, RICK ANDERSEN:
As of this grammar/spelling editing of the above file, Oct. 1992, I
have come across the following information:
Al Bielek resides in Phoenix, Arizona. His phone number is unlisted.
Preston Nichols lives in East Islip, Long Island, NY. His phone is
usually hooked up to an answering machine as he is “no longer taking
calls” unless he feels you are worth talking to.
I’m not sure of Duncan Cameron’s whereabouts but I believe he also
lives on Long Island.
William Moore, who has been “excommunicated”, if you will, by some
of the UFO research community since some doubts as to his
credibility have come to light in the last few years, is presently
editing a magazine called FAR OUT!
A recent copy contained articles
Groom Lake/Area 51, T. Townsend Brown, the legend of the “Jersey
Devil”, and assorted other UFO/mystery-type fare.
There is another videotape around, called “The Truth About the
Philadelphia Experiment”, available through Bill Knell of Long
Island Skywatch, Flushing, NY. This is the tape which introduced me
to the Bielek/Cameron/Nichols version of the Phila. Exp. It contains
much the same info as far as Bielek’s account is concerned, but goes
into quite a bit about the alleged “Phoenix Project” at the
Point, Long Island, radar base, and how that project allegedly grew
out of a synthesis of the Phila. Exp., the “weather-control” devices
of Wilhelm Reich, and the development of Radiosonde transmitters by
Brookhaven National Labs on Long Island during the 1950’s. (Preston
Nichols is the storyteller of the above).
Also, Brad Steiger, known in UFology circles for many years, has
written a book entitled, “The Philadelphia Experiment & Other UFO
Conspiracies”, in which Al Bielek’s story plays a major role. The
book is published by Timewalker Productions, c. 1990; Inner Light
Publications, Box 753, New Bruns-wick, New Jersey 08903. (ISBN:
Finally, Nichols himself has published (or his story has appeared
in) a book called “The Montauk Project”—which, at this writing, I am
still waiting to receive through the mail, so I can’t give any
details as yet.
Those of you who have a technical background in either physics or
electronics will of course be keenly interested in the fine details
of the TECHNOLOGY supposedly used to create the Philadelphia
Experiment and the Montauk Project. I am an electronics technician
in the process of trying to collect every bit of info I can in order
to piece this thing together and determine once and for all whether
these stories could possibly be true or not. My ASCII file TECH-1,
recently uploaded to several BBS’s, was an attempt to get some
serious thinking going by someone smarter than myself and smart
enough to be able to seriously challenge Bielek and Nichols on the
technical points. As long as we are nothing more than listeners of
finely-spun anecdotes, we will be wafted along by every story that
We must start thinking about the SCIENCE behind this,
and we must call the storytellers to account for their stories. If
they’re going to charge $10 a pop for us to attend their lectures
then we get to ask for the technical details, don’t we? If they’re
reluctant to tell us the technical details, then what’s the point in
“breaking their silence” to tell us what went on in a classified
project 40 years ago? Can any one of us, their hearers, do anything
about it? No-- all we can do is line their pockets with greenbacks
by attending their lectures. If they are under the altruistic “need”
or compulsion to “blow the whistle” and tell the world about the
secret gov’t. experiments in time travel, teleportation, etc, then I
maintain that we have the right to demand some technical details.
What else do we have to go on?
Al Bielek and his associates tell fascinating stories. Can they tell
some theoretical and technical stories as valuable to the physicists
and engineers as their stories are to the non-technically-minded
people who attend their lectures?