SG: Dr. Steven Greer
CR: My name
is Carol Rosin. I am an educator who became the first
woman corporate manager of an Aerospace Company,
Fairchild Industries. I am a Space and Missile Defense Consultant and
have consulted to a number of companies, organizations, and
government departments, even the intelligence community. I was a
consultant to TRW working on the MX missile,
so I was part of that strategy, which turned out to be a role
model for how to sell space-based weapons to the public. The
MX missile is yet another weapon system that we didnít need.
I founded the Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer
Space, a Washington DC based think tank. I am an author and
have testified before Congress and the Presidentís Commission on
When I was a Corporate Manager of Fairchild Industries
from 1974 through 1977, I met the late Dr. Wernher Von Braun.
We first met in early 1974. At that time, Von Braun was
dying of cancer but he assured me that he would live a few more
years to tell me about the game that was being played- that game
being the effort to weaponize space, to control the
Earth from space and space itself.
had a history of working with weapons systems. He escaped from
Germany to come to this country and became a Vice President of
Fairchild Industries when I had met him.
purpose during the last years of his life, his dying years, was
to educate the public and decision-makers about why space-based
weapons are dumb, dangerous, destabilizing, too costly,
unnecessary, unworkable, and an undesirable idea, and about the
alternatives that are available.
As practically a deathbed speech, he educated me about those
concepts and who the players were in this game.
He gave me the
responsibility, since he was dying, of continuing this effort to
prevent the weaponization of outer space. When Wernher
Von Braun was dying of cancer, he asked me to be his
spokesperson, to appear on occasions when he was too ill to
speak. I did this.
What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that
he said to me over and over again during the approximately four
years that I had the opportunity to work with him. He said the
strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision
makers was to use scare tactics
That was how we identify an
The strategy that Wernher Von Braun taught me was that
first the Russians are going to be considered to
be the enemy. In fact, in 1974, they were the enemy, the
identified enemy. We were told that they had "killer
satellites". We were told that they were coming to get us
and control us -- that they were "Commies."
Then terrorists would be identified, and that was
soon to follow. We heard a lot about terrorism. Then we
were going to identify third-world country "crazies."
We now call them Nations of Concern. But he said that
would be the third enemy against whom we would build space-based
The next enemy was asteroids. Now, at this point
he kind of chuckled the first time he said it. Asteroids-against asteroids we are going to build space-based
And the funniest one of all was what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be
the final scare.
And over and over and over during the four years that I knew him
and was giving speeches for him, he would bring up that last
Carol, the last card is the alien card.
We are going to have to build space-based weapons against
aliens and all of it is a lie."
I think I was too
naive at that time to know the seriousness of the nature of the
spin that was being put on the system.
And now, the pieces are
starting to fall into place. We are building a space-based
weapons system on a premise that is a lie, a spin. Wernher
Von Braun was trying to hint that to me back in the early
70ís and right up until the moment when he died in 1977.
What he told me was that there is an accelerated effort in
place. He didnít mention a timeline but he said that it was
going to be speeding up faster than anybody could possibly
imagine. That the effort to put weapons into space was not only
based on a lie but would accelerate past the point of people
even understanding it until it was already up there and too
When Von Braun was dying in front of me, the very first
day that I met him, he had tubes draining out of his side. He
was tapping on the desk telling me,
"You will come to
Fairchild." I was a schoolteacher. He said, "You will
come to Fairchild and you will be responsible
for keeping weapons out of space."
The way he said it with
this intenseness in his eyes, and added that very first day, the
first time I met him, that space-based weapons were a dangerous,
destabilizing, too costly, unnecessary, untestable, unworkable
The last card that was being held was the extraterrestrial
enemy card. The intensity with which he said that, made me
realize that he knew something that he was too afraid to
mention. He was too afraid to talk about it. He would not tell
me the details. I am not sure that I would have absorbed them if
he had told me the details or even believed him in 1974. But
there was no question that that man knew and had a need to know,
I found out later.
There is no doubt in my mind that Wernher Von Braun knew about the extraterrestrial issue.
He explained to me
the reasons why weapons were going to be put into space, the
enemies against whom we were going to build these weapons, and
that all of that was a lie. He mentioned that
extraterrestrials were going to be identified as the
final enemy against whom we were going to build space-based
weapons back in 1974. The way he said it to me, there was no
doubt in my mind that he knew something that he was too
afraid to talk about.
Wernher Von Braun never spoke to me about any of the
details that he knew related to extraterrestrials
except that one day extraterrestrials were going to be
identified as an enemy against whom we are going to build an
enormous space-based weapons system. Wernher Von Braun
actually told me that the spin was a lie -- that the premise for
space-based weaponry, the reasons that were going to be given,
the enemies that we were going to identify -- were all
based on a lie.
I have been tracking the space-based weapons issue for about 26
years. I have debated Generals and Congressional
Representatives. I have testified before the Congress
and the Senate. I have met with people in over 100
countries. But I have not been able to identify who the
people are who are making this space-based weapons system happen.
I see the news. I see the administrative decisions being made. I
know that they are all based on lies and greed.
But I have yet to be able to identify who the people are. That
is after tracking this issue for 26 years. I know that there are
big secrets being kept and I know that it is time the public and
decision-makers pay attention to the people who are now going to
be disclosing the truth. Then we need to make some definite
changes and build a system in space that will benefit every
single person, and all of the animals, and the environment of
The technology is there. The solutions to Earthís
urgent and long-term potential problems are there. I have a
feeling that once we start studying this extraterrestrial
issue, all of the questions are going to be answered that I
have had for 26 years.
But I have concluded that it is based on a few people making
a lot of money and gaining power. It is about ego.
It is not about our essence and who we really are on this planet
and loving each other and being at peace and cooperating. It
isnít about using technology to solve problems and heal people
in the planet. It isnít about that. It is about a few people who
really are playing an old, dangerous, costly game for their own
pocketbooks and power struggle. That is all it is.
I believe that this entire space-based weapons game is initiated
right here in the United States of America. What I
hope is that with this information that is being disclosed, the
new administration will to do what is right. That is to
transform the war game into a space game so that we use the
technologies that are available not just as spin-offs of war
technology, but as direct technological applications to build a
cooperative space system that will benefit the entire world and
that will allow us to communicate with the extraterrestrial
cultures that are obviously out there.
Who would benefit from these space-based weapons? They are the
people who work in that arena, people in the military,
in industries, in universities and
labs, in the intelligence community.
This is not just in the United States but it is worldwide.
This is a worldwide cooperative system. Wars are cooperative.
Just as peace will be when it breaks out. But right now there
are a lot of people benefiting. This is what our economy has
been based on in this country and spreading around the world -
People suffer as a result. It is not fair. It never has
been. People have screamed: "out of swords let us build plow
shares, letís have peace and hold hands around the world," but
it hasnít worked because too many people are benefiting. Not
only are they benefiting financially, but from what my
experience is there are people who actually believe that Armageddon should happen so we have to have
So it is going from the pocketbook, to the religious right: some
people actually believe that we have to have wars for these
religious reasons. There are people who just love war.
I have met warriors who just love to go to war. Then there are
the good people, the soldiers, who just take orders.
to feed their children and send them to college so they want to
keep their jobs. People in laboratories have told me that they
donít want to work on these technologies for war but if they
donít they wonít get a paycheck. Who is going to pay them? But
what I see is that there are not only dual uses for these
technologies but there are many uses for the same technologies.
We can build space hospitals, schools, hotels, laboratories,
farms, industries. It may sound far out but if we donít do
that we are going to build battle stations and weapons pointed
down all of our throats and into space. Apparently we have been
doing some of that already. We have a choice now that can be
We can all benefit - all of the people in the military industrial complex, in the intelligence
community, in universities and labs,
in the United States and all over the world - we can all
benefit. We can just transform that industry so easily with just
a decision based on our highest consciousness, our
spirituality, and on the fact that we have no
choice unless we all want to die. And we donít. So we can all
benefit financially, spiritually, socially, psychologically; it
is technologically and politically feasible to transform this
game now and everybody will benefit.
In 1977 I was at a meeting in
in a conference room called the War Room. In that room
were a lot of charts on the walls with enemies, identified
enemies. There were other more obscure names, names like
Saddam Hussein and Khadafi. But we were talking then
about terrorists, the potential terrorists.
No one had ever talked about this before but this was the next
stage after the Russians against whom we were
going to build these space-based weapons.
I stood up in this
meeting and I said,
"Excuse me, why
are we talking about these potential enemies against whom we
are going to build space-based weapons if, in fact, we know
that they are not the enemy at this time?"
Well, they continued
the conversation about how they were going to antagonize these
enemies and that at some point, there was going to be a war in
the Gulf, a Gulf War. Now this is 1977, 1977! And
they were talking about creating a war in the Gulf Region
when there was 25 billion dollars in the space-based weapons
program that had yet to be identified. It wasnít called the
Strategic Defense Initiative, at least. Not until 1983. This
weapons system, then, had obviously been going on for some time
and I didnít know anything about.
So I stood up in this meeting
in 1977 and said,
"I would like to
know why we are talking about space-based weapons against
these enemies. I would like to know more about this. Would
someone please tell me what this is about?"
answered. They just went on with this meeting as though
I hadnít said anything.
Suddenly I stood up in the room and said,
"If nobody can
tell me why you are planning a war in the Gulf
when there is a certain amount of money in a budget so that
you can create the next set of weapons systems that will be
the beginning of the sell to the public about why we need
space-based weapons, then consider this: my resignation.
And you will not hear from me again!"
And nobody said a
word, because they were planning a war in the Gulf
and it happened exactly as they planned it, on time.
SG: Who was at this meeting?
CR: The room was filled with people in the revolving door
game. There were people that I had seen once in a military
uniform and other times in a gray suit and an industry outfit.
These people play a revolving door game. They work as
consultants, industry people, and/or military and intelligence
people. They work in the industries and they revolve themselves
through these doors and right into government positions.
I stood up in this meeting and asked if I was hearing correctly.
That when there was 25 billion dollars expended in the
space-based weapons budget, that there was going to be a war in
the Gulf, stimulated, created, so that they could then sell the
next phase of weapons to the public and the decision-makers.
This war was going to be created so that they could
dump the old weapons and create a whole new set of weapons. So I
had to resign from that position. I could no longer work in that
In about 1990 I was sitting in my living room looking at the
money that had been spent on space-based weapons research and
development programs and I realized that it had come to that
number, about 25 billion dollars, and I said to my husband,
"I am now going
to stop everything. I am now going to stop and sit and watch
CNN television and I am going to wait for the war to
My husband said,
"Well, you have finally gone over the edge. You have flipped
"You have really gone too far this time. There is not going
to be a war in the Gulf, nobody is talking about a war in
I said, "There is going to be a war in the Gulf. I am going
to sit here and wait for the war in the Gulf."
And it happened
right on schedule.
As part of the war game in the Gulf, we in the public were told
that the United States was successful in shooting down
Russian Scud Missiles. We were rationalizing new budgets
based on that success. In fact, we found out later, after the
budgets were approved for the next phase of weapons, that it
was a lie. We did not have successful shoot-downs the way we
were told. It was all a lie, just to get more money put in the
budget to make more weapons.
I was one of the first people to go independently to Russia when I heard that they had "killer satellites."
testimony of Dr.
Paul Czysz.- SG]
When I went to Russia in the early 70ís, I found out that
they didnít have killer satellites, that it was a lie. In
fact, the Russian leaders and people wanted peace. They wanted
to cooperate with the United States and with the people of the
Another time I called Saddam Hussein when he was lighting
his oil fields on fire. My husband was in the kitchen while I
was making this phone call.
I got a call back from his First
Attachť with Saddam Hussein nearby and he asked,
"Are you a
reporter? Are you an agent? Why do you want to know?"
I said, "No. I am just a citizen who helped to start the
movement to prevent the weaponization of outer space
and I have found that a lot of stories that I have been told
about weapons systems and the enemies are not true. I wanted
to find out what would satisfy Saddam Hussein so he
would stop making these oil fields catch fire and stop
He said, "Well,
nobody has ever asked him that question, what he wants."
So when I hear that
there is a possible threat of extraterrestrials -
and I look at the history of thousands of years of possible
ET visitations, and hear the disclosures of honest
military-intelligence-industry people who have had experiences
with UFOís, with crashes and landings, with
live and dead bodies of extraterrestrial beings - I know it
is a lie.
And if I am ever told that these are enemies against
whom we have to build space-based weapons systems, based on my
own personal experience of having worked in the military
industrial complex on weapons systems and military strategy, I
am going to know it is a lie. It is a lie.
Not only will I not believe it, but I am going to go out as
loudly as I can and tell everyone to take a look. They [the
ETís] have not taken us away yet. We are still
here after thousands of years of visits. If in fact they are
still visiting us now and we have not been harmed then we have
to look at this as something that is not a hostile occurrence.
It would be my hope and my intention to do everything I could to
work with people who are working to communicate with and
cooperate with these extraterrestrial beings. They
are clearly not hostile. We are here. That is enough proof for
There is no limit to how people can choose to live on this
planet. We have a chance to do that and I think that the window
is closing rapidly. I donít think that we have much time in
which to make that decision. We are too close in too many ways
to having some horrible disaster happen, having some sort of war
take place, whether it is from high technology or an exotic
We need leadership and it has to start with the United States
President and that is who we all have to reach.
If you are
international, if you are around the world, if you are in the
United States of America, whether you are from any party, any
belief system or religion- the United States Commander in Chief,
the President of the United States is the person that needs to
We need to say that we want an ultimate,
comprehensive, verifiable ban on all space-based weapons.