Interview by Paola Harris
March 15,2008
from PaolaHarris Website

Spanish version







PH: I have a whole section with guest essays and the question I want to ask you is, do you see a difference in the exopolitics movement in the last two years? Since you were one of the initiators of this movement, do you see any forward action, any progress?

MS: I think thereís a significant shift in the general perception of exopolitics, especially among researchers. I believe that what has happened is that previously, people didnít understand what exopolitics was.


They operated under a certain caricature of exopolitics, somehow making presumptions about the reality of extraterrestrial life and the unnecessary nature of doing further empirical studies to validate those sorts of claims about extraterrestrial life.


I think whatís happened is that people now see that those doing the exopolitics field are still very interested in collecting data and analyzing the evidence, and finding what is the most persuasive.


But I believe that what has been most remarkable has been that there is now an understanding that we ought to look at the public policy implications of all of the data concerning extraterrestrial life and UFO sightings.


That the old school of ufology operated under the assumption that if we are to make any progress, that weíve got to collect more data that is credible, that is rigorous, that supports the research goal that UFOs are real and that this is something that deserves rigorous scientific study.


I think what happened is that there has been a public shift, and even among researchers now, they are much more likely to start asking the public policy questions, so that way, rather than waiting until we have incontrovertible proof that UFOs are real and that thereís a government cover up, people are now beginning to ask about the public policy implications.


Thatís a very good sign.


I think itís happening also at an official level. I think what happened with the Japanese Prime Minister in 2007 was very significant, because both the Japanese Foreign Minister and the Cabinet Secretary of Japan, both said that they personally believed in UFOs and the reality of extraterrestrial life. But what was really significant was that they actually made a policy statement.


They actually said that if extraterrestrial life appeared in Japanese skies in advanced vehicles, that they would not order the Japanese defense forces to engage with the visitors, if the visitors only displayed peaceful intent.


That was very significant because it basically was telling us that you have a public policy stance that provided extraterrestrial life shows no hostile intent and is peaceful when it shows up in the air space of a major world government, there will be no hostile action against that.


This is very different to standing orders for UFOs in the American military, where any UFO or any object that shows intelligent flight control is first asked to identify itself and to land at the nearest air facility, directed by any jets that encounter it. If that aircraft or that UFO doesnít comply, then it could be shot down.


So the Japanese actually have come up with a policy giving us an insight into the way in which major governments will deal with extraterrestrial life appearing over the air space of major countries.


So I think thatís been a really important shift in the way in which exopolitics is perceived, among researchers, the general public, and also the major governments, and I imagine that this will continue to change as more and more people now want to ask the who, why, where questions rather than, is it real?


Rather than asking whether the UFO phenomenon is real, people are wanting to know who are they, where do they come from, why are they here, and what do we do?


Those are all policy questions, and those are the questions people are interested in, which is why exopolitics has become so popular and why it genuinely has become an international movement. And I imagine that in the years ahead, weíre going to see exopolitics really take off with some first-rate researchers and scholars supporting exopolitics research.


Those who, why, where questions are really the most important ones and more interesting to people than the very basic one of is it real?


PH: Does this also conversely polarize a lot of the UFO community?

MS: Definitely. The UFO community is divided quite strongly between those that argue for what they perceive to be a rigorous scientific analysis of UFO data, and here weíre talking largely of sighting data, using the empirical evidence gained through photographs, visual sightings, individual testimonies, radar tracking, any kind of physical trace marks left.


Those people believe that this is a scientific enterprise and therefore you need to have a scientific mindset to understand this phenomenon and get to the truth.


So you have those that typically come from a hard science background, including engineers, astronomers, physicists, doctors, people who have some hands-on experience with physical phenomena, those people wanting to have the empirical methodology used.


In contrast, others want to look at the public policy implications, at the whistleblower testimonies, or the contactee testimonies, those who claim to have had first hand experience with extraterrestrial craft or extraterrestrial beings themselves.


There is a lot of research being done on those individuals, and thereís a different methodology. Itís kind of a social science methodology.


This means youíre going to have two competing camps, one that wants a strict, rigorous scientific approach that uses empirical methodologies and quantitative analysis, and the other a more flexible set of research methodologies using qualitative analysis, which is more suited to understanding what it is that the individuals have experienced, either as contactees, as experiencers, or as whistleblowers.


I think that kind of research divide will continue to grow into a very significant divide between the old guard of researchers and this new wave of exopolitics researchers.


PH: Do you see this new wave, this new humanities wave, as almost a new renaissance of research, and a new renaissance for the planet as far as embracing the fact, and it is a fact, that we may have cosmic cousins?

MS: I believe it is a renaissance. I really like the title of your first book, Connecting the Dots.


I think that really is what people want to do. They want to connect the dots. But theyíre not really interested in doing a really rigorous, empirical analysis of one dot and just staking everything on that one dot. People now want to connect the dots.


They want to know what it is that makes this phenomenon such a challenge to unravel and so people are willing to put energy into understanding the bigger picture, and I think thatís where you get this renaissance emerging.


Because when people open up to the bigger picture, what they find is that thereís an intersection between science, philosophy, politics, religion, humanitarianism, higher consciousness, that all of these things come together.


And this is what people are looking for, they want to connect the dots. They want to find significance in what it is that this phenomenon represents.


Once they do that, once they connect the dots and they see the patterns, I think it does represent a new renaissance because you canít walk away from this field once youíve opened yourself up to it, and not be really affected at a spiritual, personal, emotional, and intellectual level.


We are being visited by beings from other star systems and even other galaxies, who are able to move through time and space, who are able to move through different dimensional realities, who are much closer to that entity that many people identify as the supreme life force, whether you call it God, or Brahman, or Allah.


Whatever name you give it, there is this spiritual force or dynamic in the universe that the extraterrestrial question helps us better understand.


I think it is a renaissance and people are embracing this, and I think itís unstoppable.


PH: Brilliantly said, Michael. From your point of view, do you think other countries will fall into line with this type of renaissance before the United States does?

MS: I think many other countries, for various reasons, are more open to this phenomenon.


Maybe because they have less vested interest in the status quo as it is, in terms of these military industrial complexes that are driven by oil reserves, that sustain a hidden infrastructure of black projects dealing with ETs and extraterrestrial technologies.


I think many other countries are less tied in to that, whether weíre talking about major countries in terms of population like India, China, Brazil, Indonesia. All of those countries really donít have as much invested in the status quo.


I think that they would stand to benefit the most from disclosure, because being countries that have very large populations, they would have incredible benefits from having these new technologies come on line where they are freed from a dependence on oil reserves, fossil fuel, and that they are able to generate sufficient energy to meet the needs of the population.


So that would lead to these countries having great benefits and I think that they also historically are countries that are able to understand the flow, the tides, of human society and culture.


These countries, China, Brazil, Indonesia, I think that they are more capable of understanding the big picture in terms of this linkage between science, technology, religion, spirituality, politics, finance, and culture.


We really are on the verge of a new renaissance, and I think the solution or the answer is not going to come from countries like Britain or the United States, that are really tied into the present power structure, but countries outside who are less tied in and are more open to this phenomenon.


PH: If the reader is interested in following this line and looking into exopolitics as an academic discipline, as weíve been discussing it, do you have any suggestions for them, any advice that you could give the reader?

MS: I think the best thing for anyone who wants to better understand this phenomenon is to do a systematic study of the exopolitics field.


Of course, all of us, when we get drawn into this field, we begin to do some reading, and weíre kind of drawn by our interests and people we meet, so reading is pretty haphazard and kind of wanders all over the place depending on what weíre exposed to and what are the topical issues.


Thatís fine, because thatís the way a readerís interest and enthusiasm remains high; but I would say for those that really see themselves as playing a leading role in the future, that if they would see themselves as being teachers for the rest of humanity, or being ambassadors to the stars, or wanting to write books on what this means for humanity in general, I would recommend that they do a more systematic study, where they really understand the whole field.


There is now an exopolitics certification training program which is available. Youíre part of that program, Paola, and so you know the benefit that provides for students who enroll, who are given systematic exposure to some of the leading whistleblowers, experiencers, and the important literature when it comes to understanding the big picture concerning exopolitics.


So I would definitely recommend that they become involved in one of the online courses. I would also recommend that they become active in a local organization, setting up an exopolitics research group or study group using people in your local environment. You could meet and study the online papers concerning exopolitics, or study exopolitics books.


Thereís a lot of material out in the public, and itís important that people begin to coordinate and discuss this, so that they can educate themselves. Finally, I would recommend that people become active.


You become active by writing letters to the editors of your local newspaper; promoting an exopolitical perspective; you write letters to your parliament or congress and ask why there are no studies being conducted on the exopolitical issues. You can get the politicians moving on these issues as well.


There are a number of things people can do to move the whole exopolitical platform forward and to become more of a help in this renaissance thatís coming our way.