In the United States we often refer to our main sources of energy as fossil fuels oil natural gas coal they're fossil fuels because they come from fossils ancient organic material forests jungles Plankton dinosaurs held under the ground for Millennia they transform into oil gas and coal everybody thinks that's true on the other hand there's evidence that maybe it's not the whole story if that's where fossil fuels come from if that's how hydrocarbons are made then how come they're found so deep under the oceans and at the top of the Earth how come one of Saturn's moons according to scientists has more oil and natural gas than Earth were there dinosaurs and planktons and forests at one point on one of Saturn's moons probably not so if all hydrocarbons aren't from fossils where are they from from and why isn't this commonly known and what are the implications of it and what does it tell us about our modern climate change policy these are not just esoteric questions they're Central questions actually as we chart the future of energy usage in the world Willie soon has been thinking about this for a long time he's an astrophysicist a geoscientist he spent 31 years at Harvard he recently left and he joins us here Dr soon thank you so much thank you T I appreciate to be able to come on your show well it's a blessing to have you and this is such an interesting question with so many implications um and I want to spend most of our time talking about the implications but just to the strict question of where hydrocarbons come from it sounds like they're not necessarily all from ancient forests or Plankton or dinosaurs are they yes uh the story can be a bit long so give me a few minutes to explain you are certainly right but most important to clarify is that the information that is found on the largest moon on on Saturn which called Titan yes is actually results from NASA European space agency and then the Italian space agency who built this spacecraft called Cassini and hyan actually one of my thesis advisor committee is actually built the UV spectrometer but the one that they used to discover this basically the ocean liquid liquid form of methane which is in aan ethane form which is much more complicated hydrocarbon is whole ocean of it because Titan is in such a way that it's very cold by the way so it's minus 290 degre Fahrenheit Yes hint hint hint where is the global warming that right if it's full of methane there right that's another problem because it's far away from the Sun that's what it is yes and clearly that the question of a biogenic meod which mean no no need of any biology is true because we know actually one experimental experiment was done in 2009 it was done in Swedish Royal Academy one of those group but it's done by one Russian leader he was able to show that if you squeeze Matan CH4 in chemical formula so four hydrogen one carbon squeeze them in a form that in which they simulate the condition of the earth menal which is 1,800 miles deep kind of below the surface because the Earth is deeper right and it's within this 18 but basically the condition that is only about 40 to 150 miles in that you actually can form complex hydrocarbon you got Benzene you got ethane you got all this other stuff forming so that prove Beyond doubt that you have such a way to make this plus that Titan prove Beyond doubt you actually see maintain also in all the atmosphere Jupiter you know you even find Benzene in the rocks of uh Mars and then for me astrophysicist I can tell you even more more you find this complex hydrocarbon called polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon it's another one of those complex hydrocarbon then actually you found it in interstellar space between space within Stars Intergalactic space these are everywhere because temperature there are cold and probably the right pressure condition all this complex hydrocarbon well that's it's kind of incredible because all of us including myself until very recently right assumed that all of our energy sources are these so-called fossil fuels and of course their existence is going to be limited by the amount of fossiles by the amount of decaying organic material not so so if that's not so then we need to rethink a lot of things a lot I think I think this one fit into a paradigm a famous uh Economist that I like very much his name is uh H Simon do you know about this guy named Simon jul Simon Julian Simon yeah the key guy Unity of Illinois and then Maryland he was the say he was the guy who said that the ultimate resource of humanity or Earth is actually not all this material thing like uranium gold because uranium there are far more uranium in the oceans than on the land right you have 4.5 billion tons of uranium in the ocean you have only 17 million tons of that gold uh copper what what what do you want on the ocean it's all that except they're in very dilute form yes clearly so the ultimate resource actually is not that is the human mind it's it's the Innovation part of it I think I like that principle a lot it fits very well in terms of saying that it's all matter of cost even oil most I don't know if any any of you know the audience know that 50 to 60% of the the all actually all the oil that you already drill the drill hole there you can only pull out 40 to 50% of it 60% of that remains in it because simply because there's not enough pressure to get it out this is why the the idea of a biogenic oil is interesting is true clearly true it's all matter of cost really because this thing has the form way inside the uh the Earth the manal which is 50 to 100 100 miles right human how deep have we ever drilled only the skin which is only five miles maximum five to you know six mil basically that's at most that we can do and then all this stuff had to permit into the reservoir I I got this information from the top people that physically have to look for oil every day one of my friend Joseph lime cooler from Beacon energy offshore energy those are the guys who work day in and day out to bring us the energy actually the oil that we need so why why don't most people know this why do most people think that the the gasoline in their car was by definition have to be limited yeah yeah yeah that there's that there's just a tiny amount and it's it's going away we'll never find more the war is full of untruth and half truth right that's the whole problem right that's why for so long even the idea that we are not limited and bounded by availability of uh let's say gasoline petroleum or or coal Coal now they won't allow us to use right as you know in cop meeting in Dubai that just ended a day ago they just physically declared themselves that we should stop using fossil fuel basically petroleum natural gas and even Co I mean these people are insane now really insane I think they're going to harm more people with their own illusion plus I always remember these are people who actually don't represent the majority since when that this put up to workot it's always about this minority the tyranny of the few always robbing the whole census the good sensus of the good people this is part of the reason why as a scientist I also speak out feel I mean not afraid of anything except for just telling the truth and I'm glad to have this opportunity to say such thing in in Jos show so I mean if we haven't been told the truth about where hydrocarbons come from and we haven't I mean I've never met a single person in my life who said wait a second they're not all fossil fuels then we keep hearing there's a scientific consensus on climate change every scientist believes the same thing about it believes Al Gore and John KY maybe that's not true either oh then I can tell you please thank you for asking that question taka I've been working on this subject of CO2 causing climate change or what other fact fa s we can ask that cause climate to change for close to As Long As since my post doctoral year 1991 right so it's about 32 31 years 32 years and on this question I think we have a very definitive answer what we know now is CO2 ain't going to cost nothing it's not going to change much of the climatic system which mean it won't change the speed of the hurricane it won't change the how fast or how frequent Donado form it won't it won't even actually make make any difference to the polar bear population it's all conservation issue right on polar bear it won't even cost how much fish you don't catch or catch you know it won't even cause what they call Oceanic it won't even cause this problem that they claim it's all artificial everything they do it's all Dream from their model and the tyranny of the few again that those few people just dream up this scary story that is just a through and then when you come down to the most responsible group for this kind of bad stuff I I I was reminded by my colleague Dr Ronan Connelly and Michael Connelly my two coworker with me on my group is to say that since you know since I work so carefully and I have about more than a 100 scientists last three years alone working with me so I don't speak on behalf of them I speak on behalf of myself my view is that the un ipcc united nation intergovernmental panel on climate change is one of the primary problem which mean they have been misleading people they've been using authority of science which is not true right it's all governmental hackers basically right people like John KY who I guess can barely take a a proper physics class who keep claiming that greenhouse effect is so simple right and then uh he refused to explain how does it work right I mean he did all of that that is very terrible that really embarrassing to America he did that in Bali in Indonesia several years back that is just so embarrassed do you think he can explain how it works I don't think so even El Gore who claimed to be know something about science I challenge El Gore I I did some of that to with in his face actually I have I was lucky enough to be in one of those Wall Street Journal Eco conference and I was giving you know setting up with all the UC Santa Barbara Student please make sure when the question come out give me the mic I was making friends with them the night before I explain now my details of my work so I I got the mic and ask question about El God because one of the primary sad thing that they refuse to recognize that I know you know that in in even great School uh Sciences CO2 is a gas of life it when you have more CO2 the plant kingdom the whole ecology even the oceans going to have more basically ability more fishes More Everything more life more life essentially that's why it's called gas of life and these people want to demonize it as some gas that can cause global warming can cause hurricane to run faster or weaker I don't know what they want to have more rain more droughts and all these other nonsense that they claim all of that it's just insult that's the problem by the way this is how serious I am I check everything they say I check as a scientist you cannot just dismiss them you cannot laugh at them you cannot you know chy them you cannot just make joke of them you check everything so as a very serious scientist and I published scientific paper refuting all of this arguments scientific papers maybe mean nothing to the average people but it's really important it's like a document that you have to document and then put out the proper scientific arguments about what is right what is wrong so that's what we have been doing at at my particular Center called series- sign.com so anybody who wants more information about this please go to the website right and study what we do there because we are the one that is truly independent from any funding agency any money that you could possibly give me like like Bill Gates please don't give me money thank you and all El go please don't give me money or don't give me any money if you tell me what to do you know even some of your money I might not want it but the point is that I want to be independent just like you in the media I want to be Fearless I just set my own agenda you don't tell me what to research either I research what I want to research so we've been researching on many many topics so on the climate change issue I'm fully convinced after all these years even though we may not know exactly what is causing climate change we suspect it's the sun we have a lot of evidence to show that it's probably the sun very high percentage you know like I would say 90% were sure but not 100% but we know carbon dioxide is not the gas it's not the what you call the like your thermometer in your room can adjust up and down that you can set the temperature to be whatever level you want it first of all they can never tell us what temperature do they want it at what is the temperature you want to the global temperature El go has not been able to answer that John KY has not been able to answer that because we know the temperature from the colders in Siberia to the desert in Sahara I mean these are huge at least 100 degree or more kind of differences yes I mean who are you to tell me which temperature is the correct temperature where you guys are talking like that they are talking as if they are pseudo God they God themselves I mean these people are so ambitious that in some sense I think we have to keep the ambition down a little bit I mean these people are not contented just like what you put out there if you you cannot be ambitious when you're contented but these people are so out of their mind in some sense that I think it's misleading and somebody had to speak out against them I think you are one of those who consistently point out their hypocrisy right and I really find that the whole problem of this global warming is a complete nothing which mean we should do nothing about it just go on and live life and adapt to it right so what I here's of course I agree completely but what here's what I don't understand global temperatures have dramatically fluctuated within yes the period that humans left records I mean not that long ago I mean there are cities underwater because sea levels have risen within recorded history mhm the signs of the Glaciers are all around us yes so that was all before the internal combustion engine how do they explain that this is this is the problem they they at admitted a lot of them admitted they willingly admitted you can read all you can't deny it I mean we had glaciers they melted forc to confess I mean these are the confession time is the sun actually that does a lot of this the glacial like like the spirit called little ice age from about 1300 to 1900 you know very cold and then there's a medable warm period from 880 to about 1200 you know it was warm I mean you can grow wine in England right and now you cannot grow wine right things like that I mean Greenland was green back then but now it's full of glaciers ice is coming in so what are you talking about exactly and it was the sun actually the sun fit quite well as far as we know in terms of deduct deducing the information of how does the Sun how how bright was it how dim was it basically just like that just the amount of light coming out from the Sun very tiny percentage by the way very small it's on the order of less than a percent but it's more than enough because there's another effect that is very very important is basically because the Sun the Earth is forced to go around the Sun and then the orbit change ever so slightly because of perturbation from all the other planets yes you know Jupiter Saturn and even Venus and Mars they actually controlling what we do and the moon of s is very important but that other factors the orbits plus the changes of the Sun by itself which mean how bright how how dim it is these two factors can explain just about everything that we know all the data that I have actually so I've been start this is why I was so fascinated in in studying this issue I spent my whole life actually studying this nothing but doing just this and the more I understand the more I think that wow it's just a gap to be fill in we have too much information that and then these people come along say that CO2 is causing everything I check I check oh maybe they're right I check as a scientist I have to check them but then it's not even close I mean these people are talking about things think that is I mean you there's a famous phrase by a very famous uh Wisconsin meteorologist his name is Professor red Bryson he's one of the father of climatology really he just say that you go out and then you could might as well if you think CO2 is so you might as well spit into the end and see what happened to the airflow he was just basically saying that CO2 is nothing cannot cause the climate to change or or anything it doesn't change anything actually it's the sun why why you think the most important things that you should talk about they never talk about that they always want to average the data the most important thing they should talk about you know what it's a season every no two winter are the same no two summers are the same and they never explain it's actually the orbits with the sun changing it ever so slightly I am not talking I have published papers papers and papers and papers like that on all this to show and document why and how that's what the fun part of doing science is not only know chitchatting hand waving like crazy you have to be even though I made it look like one now but I always very calm when you write down you know like my every time I have to write a paper I always tell my wife please don't disturb me for a few days I'll be back things like that of course working at home but this is I'll be back so is there any way to predict what climate change will be based on actually you can because of the orbit the only thing we don't know is how to predict the sun changes by itself because the magnetism you know just the magnetic field on the sun is too complicated the sun is the magnetized B right it's a gas hot gas it's about you know the the magnetic field is so strong it's 10,000 times stronger than the earth the earth is also a magnet a bar magnet basically yes it's one G we have 10,000 gal at least on the Sun so it's a very different property and it works very differently because it HED by basically a thermonuclear reaction inside the Sun so it created all kinds of hot gas behavior that's very difficult to to try to master or even to model it using mathematical equation actually it's much easier to study the Earth and to do the Sun so that's part of the problem in in scientific task the physics task the very difficult but then we learn a lot we learn a lot through just watching the sun I mean Galileo gal right he pointed his telescope he he he smart enough first he point to the Jupiter the moon right Jupiter then he saw the moon right he saw four moons around it and then he smart that he go the next day to watch it again he watched and then he say started to move by the famous story of Galileo galile with talk about it someday when he wrote that down initially it was in Italian when he realized he discovered something so unique he change the language to Latin the next day yeah you know I got it man the good one you know so he start writing in Latin precise language okay but anyway uh for the sun it's really so complicated that actually I've been studying this actually as long as you know me I mean I studied this for so long we know a lot I even wrote a popular book actually to try to explain why that during a period of the Sunspot so Galileo Galilea start in 169 1610 or so so we have about now 43 years of data but there's a period that deep inside the little ice AG 1645 to 1715 is called the M minimum because during that period the Sunspot almost all disappear especially in the northern hamsphere it Disappear Completely nobody know why and that's why the French astronomer famous people like cini the one that the cini spacecraft he was observing at that time he's say man this Galo guy must be on either drinking too much or lying or things like that he said there's a lot of sunspot but we observe at this time we didn't see nothing what's wrong but it is an actual phenomenon right my my friend my good friend which is the number one world Sunsport historian he just wrote email to me Douglas Hoy he actually was the master of this collecting all the Sunspot data going going back to all the major libraries you know from Galileo first point all the way to present Point basically found that this phenomenon is true because during that period the Sunspot was not there not because nobody was watching there was at least observed 80% of the time during the 70 years you see it's so unique that period but now we're beginning to try to learn what happened there so during that period we really think that the sun was so much Demmer was substantially deer this is why you have this little ice AG phenomenon all the tames River will froze you know we have the tames river in England well known and then all the ice skating thing you know the in Holland all the all the different culture and then these are all real actual phenomenon and then this day they trying to say that maybe l i AG is not little ice AG they even try to change that in scientific field actually so this was very very puzzling for me why would they try and change that oh I don't know because they want to say that CO2 is controlling everything they kind of want to have CO2 as the prime driver of everything this is part of the problem that I find well that's not science that's lying ah it's bad it's bad in science this is why I in science now I rather say this thing outright I want I rather have question that cannot be answered than answer that cannot be questioned because these people just offering you the answer and then you should just shut up like you say don't ask any question don't criticize don't even bother to think just accept what we say I mean you may have known that actually if you want to get get there I can talk about this because this is rather famous because the other person is still around he's the one who's shouting up and down this these two last two days to say that oh we must start fil field GOP is so evil we must stop all of them because we are the GOP are the evil uh political bodies in America that causes all this fossil fuel to be we are using fossil fuel and all that his name is Professor Michael man he's at University of Pennsylvania yes he created a paper we call it the hockey stick you know the stick paper the hockey shtick he basically say that the temperature history first of all the true temperature history looked like this that it was very warm from 800 ad let's say warm warm and then it cools down about 1300 started to go down cool and then since about 1900 Century it started to warm back up way way before CO2 is important okay that's another puzzle that they never want to explain that look like this that's the real story Michael man came along said that well he used ma mathematical algorithm okay you can use fancy words but believe me it's just mathematical algorithm that he produced a stick for one 880 to about 1980 is all flat because it changed it changed very tiny amount so small that actually it doesn't mean anything Point 1.2 degre celsus so small it doesn't mean the one that I talk about that change is one degree at least you know to five six times bigger than what he say and then he just say is like this and then it oneart because like the blade which is the one warming because of rising carbon dioxide but he forgot to explain to you this this warming of the temperature started way before even the human part of the atmospheric carbon dioxide could be anything meaningful this is part of the problem it's all been crazy from day one when I when this thing was published in uh 1999 I was the first few guy who raised a hand at the back of the class and say excuse me Professor man he used to be my friend by the way now he will never answer me he used to exchange email with me because you know we more or less share the same passion want to understand thing now he just say that his story his story is the only one that is correct but it's not bear out by any data that we know that's the problem it's all mathematical products this is how scary the whole world can be and United Nation the ipcc group that I mentioned promoted his work turning into a major hero because he has solved one of this old puzzle problem that climatologist over malania has been trying to solve since the day of the Greeks to try to understand how climate change and this guy come along say that it look like this only CO2 does it and that's a problem so I mean it just insult what your I mean some of this is very complex but in the way you're describing and if he's saying the warming period began before there was a meaningful addition of CO2 into the atmosphere caused by humans even I can understand that yes that's that's the truth so I would assume that lots of scientists who do this for a living might be asking the same question why don't they speak up this is the problem the whole problem inside this day is related to funding how science is funded that natural that philosophy I wish to not get too much into it this is part of the reason why I want to be totally independent I get out of this whole system right but it's how science is is about fundings even if you don't get money directly it will influence The Graduate students and on and on and so forth all these other related effects you know and many people are afraid to speak out but I tell you if you really put all the scientist to a honest kind of polling if you science but science is not about polling too all it takes is one to be correct yes that's the problem right Einstein used to when he formulated the famous general relativity or special relativity actually that was criticized that that basically talk talk about speed of light is constant so time and space are relative yes right time can be dilated space is also slightly different because his speed of light is constant special reality is based on that concept then 100 of this Berlin academicians try to wrote a pamplet say that Einstein is wrong but never offer why what is the details that is wrong and then Einstein indeed answer like this why would you need 100 you know if I were to be wrong one would suffice I mean that's a that's the theme of the science science is so bad because it's so totally upside down inside out covid is another case you know so let's stick to climate stuff people are afraid to speak out I don't know why actually I was young I have to worry about my three kids where they eat and all that stuff you know buet all the time just kidding the greatest American invention all you can eat this is truly entrepreneur by the way anyway we have enough food no problem that's why food I don't think is also a problem in this world even material resources right all you think is have to think like Julian Simon type you know we can gener and everything the only problem we left is lack of imagination narrow-mindedness and all this anti-america sentiment put it this way America is among the best Hope For Humanity you know to put forward we have the foundation document the Constitution for God's sake that is the most beautiful things that we could ever imagine and why don't we use it properly right people just trashing on it every day right anyway I digress anyway so yes I I think science is a problem problem now because of funding structure people won't speak out I don't know why I think it's natural for people to be afraid but you can only be afraid for so long for me I was frustrated because I was not afraid ever since I was in sign because I'm in s because I love science this is why from my own perspective I just very sad to see that science is being trampled by all these other non-science forces you know that's why when I look at covid also I cannot stand by say nothing on covid-19 there's so many wrong with it that's why I want to preach advertise with my group series that sign.com we work with a bunch of people one of the good guests for you potential will be Professor Harvey Rich he say he been interviewed by you twice yes even guys like Bob Malone we work together produce a paper so when the paper come out hopefully we can have them on your show so that they can tell more story we want to provide the medical community or even the world to document this episode of Dark Ages in in medical Sciences something went terribly wrong the Mas never really worked the vaccine never really worked all of this doesn't work the lockdown doesn't work and what are we doing this now they're trying to scare with another new scare all over the world now newspaper this morning I just got one newspaper from my sister who have to start oh they start masking up in Malaysia now because cases start to increase the usual story I laugh in a serious way because I see this is another one of those attempt again to try to scare people so I did digress now science is just so complicated now that every aspect of the science that I look at I've become very unhappy science is no longer able to do where science lead this is the theme of my series- sign.com we with few only colleagues I don't have enough funding I just hope to get as many donation by the way donate but don't tell us anything do anything trust us because we are decent scientists you can look at our publication record that we are able to produce the most interesting and pure work like ipcc they have to reply to us two years ago we public a very important paper one of my journalist friend a colleague wrote a paper newspaper article and then he go and ask ipcc why you guys not cting this paper they use the excuse to say that oh these people published late we have a DAT line here Red Line oh if you don't publish before some date like 2021 okay like January or 2021 then we won't include your work so we publish in August so they wouldn't include my work but they forgot to say that they are they claim themselves they Proclaim un ipcc Proclaim them to be the best of the scientific World produce the most updated and all that but immediately their report came out they already outdated because they haven't included my work which is the most comprehensive review of how the Sun affect the climate that's the work we did so this this year just two months ago we published two more paper convincingly show that even the thermometer data that they show you is is not what it is it's actually not measuring climate it's measuring Urban heat island changes something that I think everybody can understand if you go to the inner part of the big city like TC is one of the best example I have graph to show that you go there inner city is much warmer than outside because of concrete retaining all the Heat or you change all the surfaces of the you know the surface become impervious which me there's no breathing no water going in and out things like that and it's what we show is that it's not a phenomenon just on local sense you average over this you can see the effect all over the Northern Hemisphere this is very powerful new work that we we SP so concrete and asphalt raise the temperatures more than CO2 and that's what they're measuring and then they tell you this is global temperature and then we provide an alternative we say why don't we go look at rural station that is available and guess what our result found completely different story from from the picture The Narrative that's coming out from this data set thermometer data that show that combine urban and rural okay we show rural only we can tell you that you can immediately offer a different answer for example it's the Sun that does it that does it we show that but we don't know that it's the answer we just simply show you that the ipcc and all these so-called scientists from NASA Noah and all of them are not doing their due diligence they are putting you very bad quality data product not only that they hide it some of them is so difficult to get the data okay we but it should never be difficult to get data I'm sorry taka this is how the problem in science now is so many serious but I thought transparency of data was science I was hoping I always believe in that that's why everything that we publish is there because we got it from somewhere here's the data use it check us if we're wrong tell us we're wrong that is one thing that I can always promise you I'm not here to try to gain favor or anything if I'm wrong and I don't know I tell you I don't know taka a lot of this thing I really under a lot of careful consideration really a lot of deep meditation thinking about this topic what I think is very problematic I'm so glad to have this opportunity to go this far to to be able to talk for this long now is that really the ipcc product is actually substandard of course they have a different mandate their their mandate is political right to provide policy we understand that but how many people really understand that pure science doesn't support anything they say I mean in the beginning of this cop 28 meeting the chairman of this guy from UAE United Arabs Emirates the chairman I don't know his name suan Al jab ja or something he was saying that there's no scientific reasoning to say that we should face out force of he's right but then he back off because of all this everybody is hurt mentality everybody doing the Mad thing everybody science is not about that they all agree now they all agree to face out right for some kind of agreement you know that every body decare that they're going to do that that they're going to face off I don't even know how actually why why are you doing this and then one of the claim is that they're going to Triple the amount of solar and wind power that is a sad story you know of the amount that we spend that we can document some three 3.6 trillion dollar they spent almost $2 trillion on solar and wind power over the last I don't know 5 10 years or so and then what they did is that spend more of the money two trillion on solar and wind and solar wind can only account for only 3% of the world power 85% from fossil fuel as you can see Hydro power and nuclear nuclear is another puzzle I check with all my Nuclear expert friend that been working for years on nuclear power nuclear power is one of the saddest story I believe that we actually have almost the solution in hand not not the not the fusion of course it's the you know the the fast reactor all the good generation of the of nuclear power peaceful use of that won't even generate nuclear weapon we can do all of that technology the only thing barrier is red tapes environmentally scar of radiation all these other problem we almost have all of that in in hand the power can last one estimate shows that if we were to use it at the demand of that by 2050 we can have enough power for 2,700 years that's far more than any other the fossil fuel can promise and then and we're now still not doing it we not doing America is so far behind now we are we we just make one in Georgia one of the nuclear PL that so overcosted because of all the red tape that it's so embarrassing there are numbers I mean it costing a thousand or 2,000 time even more than what Korea and you know even Korea now is is a major guy who make this nuclear power plant for for different any country who wants to do it right I mean Korea yeah India they are making a much cheaper cost and the the design French designs are the best right French they all doing that and we're not doing it China of course left and right doing that but we're not doing anything all we trying to tell you that we got to shutter fossil fuel increase solar and wind are you Jo joking even three times more will be 9% I don't know can you turn on your your your light only 9% of them you should shut all this light off now you're overusing it and it destroys the the natural environment exactly wind farms this is a kind of a very bad incentive that they don't realize it's about this kind of people that so out of their mind in my view that they really should be cautious somebody should just ping on their head guys don't don't don't keep saying those things you better think twice or consult somebody that knows something that is honest you know you spent 31 years at Harvard would you be able to say this out loud at Harvard he actually back then I also didn't care but uh most of the time I get call into the director's office this and that they always trying to tell oh why are you saying that why are you saying this I say well I'm a scientist I should say whatever I want to say not only that the problem in when I was at Harvard part of the reason I quit as I try to explain is about JB requirement but another one is a bit of censorship I can only do certain thing I cannot do certain thing like I I would never be able to write paper on covid-19 I would never be able to work work uh on let's say environmental air pollution issues you know like you know So-Cal nox and socks and all this other thing or Mercury and things like that I have a lot I study a lot on those issue because I personally are concerned so I dig into the literature one thing after another basically because I sleep very little so I really do a lot of thing I flip every Rock Pebbles anything you want so I study a lot I produce a result that is good enough that can be making a lot of scientific but I never published them because they simply won't allow they wouldn't allow you yes it's about a matter of allowing because they say it doesn't fit the theme of the center for astrophysics so I don't want to talk back about the institution but it is the finest astrophysics institution in the world in terms of instrument building in terms of Technology we can produce the best you know you often look at the the X-ray picture of the sun those are from very fine camera that we build that with multic coding layers because the x-ray they they come in very slowly and then they they're going to diffuse come out but we make very fine way to to catch them so they can come up so the image are crystal clear you can see all the structure on the sun it's made by my Center they they are they're good scientists except that when it come down to a larger picture of science sh don't say this don't say that this and that and then all of that this is why even at Harvard I quit taking money from NASA NSF all these other place in 2004 because I beginning to think that science being so unaccountable funded by taxpayer that all these people it's so unconscionable so I personally chose that that is nobody to blame but myself but I chose to take only from Foundation who are willing to give me money right so I wrote those kind of proposal and then got to go through the director's office this and that right I have a very very happy and fruitful career everybody can look up my publication list is very long and not only that it's not the number that counts it's the quality of the paper I always want to remind people I don't like talking how many thousands of paper you write this and that it's not important which paper that is really important for certain issues that's important that you if you are able to show that that's good that's what I mean all my papers are basically under a lot of this serious serious thinking and serious evaluation checking and rejecting before I would care to write about anything because you don't want to write anything that's wrong tomorrow you want something that can write but science is basically garbage can now these scientific papers I categorically would even make this statement I would make the statement that about 80 to 90% of the paper published in so-call climate science today should not be published but everybody have NSF Grant everybody have all this grant you see how the inflation goes you know just like the other day you hear that y University you know large part of it large most of the student on on 2022 or something all got great a great you know great a they diluted the great but Harvey Rich assur me that in medical sciences and heart Sciences jav rich is the professor at AO University he teach in the medical school so he say no not true so that that he tried to assure me he has quality maybe not in his class but how not in any other class right anyway so I want to ask this is a kind of last topic which is not related to this but we talked about it off the air and I think it's really interesting you were telling me that you see God or evidence of God in math well can you explain what you were saying or maybe I misread what you were saying no no no no you did not I mean I I have been closer and closer to God in the sense that because it takes me a long time I'm rather rebellious you know I have to say damn it God you got to prove it to me show it to me buddy just kidding I'm sorry to anybody no off but I really say it in that way you know you talk to yourself in sense but in many many moments in history of physics or mathematics things come out you see mathematics you know is this very pure world that it seems to have no connection to real world physics that's right it's true it's complex number it's one of them it's but it appear in quantum mechanics right it's so beautiful but one of the things that sometime you see in equation is so amazing when you formulate maybe it's not right maybe it's this you know you doubt yourself but one of the most beautiful equation was the one that derived by Paul direct is a professor at Cambridge University but he retired in Florida by the way he he died in Florida talahasse uh I mean it's a refuge for him because he doesn't like to talk he will sit there for five days don't talk one day all of a sudden he talk but anyway he formulated he's a beautiful man he you know part right he formulated this relativistic equation of for electrons but in one of the equation the solution come out to be a negative signs not only that there's a square root involved so there strange Behavior there's negative sign in but it has to has the exact property like an electron and all that stuff how come everybody say you're crazy you're stupid this and that right he he's not even way he didn't no sweat buddy he just say I am right many years later few years later it is shown in ctech by Carl Anderson to show there's actually such a thing called positron you know the opposite the brothers of electron there such a thing and and then if you ask yourself how is it possible right that's something this just out of out of nowhere where does this thing come from and then in mathematical Sciences there's a lot of things like this like GE geometry there's a even more famous thing about in Geometry is called cabi Yao manao that related to string theory this thing was basically a revisit of Einstein general relativity equation asking itself whether is it possible to have close curvature in SpaceTime that you actually don't require even gravity to be there and they show that cabi was trying to prove this Yao Shong Yao is one of the great mathematician right he's at Harvard but he retired now he go to China right he was the one who tried to disprove this thing but he turns out to be true that is true that you can have close curvature in SpaceTime that without gravity even so that added even more rich in this world that from mathematics to real world we already have enough hard time understanding Einstein this guy added even more and his Discovery was in the 70s and things like that you know so there's so many example and incident like this just have to tell you that you have to bow down you have to occasionally take a deep breath you know there may be some ever presence of this forces this forces that allow us to illuminate our life and I tell you God has given us this all this light that tell us that we have to follow the light and do the best we can rather than every day devouring planet Earth saying that we are the Satan we are the evil people you know these people are constantly trying to you know make all of us a lesser human being I would never allow them anyway so good luck you know for those people like ELO and all that who think that they're high and mighty right and trying to always always lecture us on on got to cut down on fossil field because we're going to hurt the planet Earth I say God do you ever think twice how who are you to to think that you can actually try to save the planet Earth even because they always use the word I'm trying to save the planet Earth I don't know who gives them the right to save the planet Earth same with this experiment that they're trying to do by the way the experiment to say that we must cut down CO2 emission I told you CO2 is good for you know for life because I asked elol indeed when I asked elol the question in UC Santa Barra is what is that CO2 is gas of Life who give you the audacity to cut down this then aren't you are you going to be responsible for the ecological and Humanity they in all this crisis even we know Rising CO2 affect even plants you know especially food production right maybe not exact number we know but it does positively right we have technology to help it better seed better all this fertilization all this other thing but who give them the idea to do that to cut down because it's generally going to be good for life because you have to push them around because nobody should give them the authority so far I don't think anyone can answer that question question for me so I tell them to please bow down to God really answer to that question first before you do anything else because it's ridiculous for them to keep to claim that they have the upper moral and ethical High Ground to try to prescribe everybody to live in certain condition that they choose but they themselves don't follow the rules they tell us to take a bus El go always tell he even tell people to take a bus ELO my God I say ELO you take a bus from Tennessee to massachusett I'll be waiting for you down there please I mean this guy is just out of the out of the out of this world man I'm sorry ELO but you can still call me can you um Willy soon thank you but before you go last thing for for viewers who want to know more about what you do can you say once again where they can yes read it please uh I hope that uh I don't disappoint anyone but please come to series sign.com and I want to make one plug for my good friend how shli as uh as I get older and older including my own kids my own kids three kids has been going to the cam Constitution at New Hampshire and we also wanted to invited uh uh taka cson to come because VI raas Swami came last last summer and because we are very very small group we are tiny little group called cam Constitution so cam constitution. net we offer basically family kind of a Christian kind of a background but we don't talk about Christ all the time but we talk about Bibles we talk about Constitution we talk about science so I'm the science instructor I've been doing that for almost six seven years now so I've been doing every year I would give one or two classes depends on how many whatever they want me to do I would do and my own kids came to those things and then you know we play in play music we have campfire it's a family event used to be that focus on kids but this day I'm sorry too many adults started to come so we have even people like my good friend Lord Christopher mon from England he spoke twice so small little group but if anybody who thinks that you know you have the time and even come and learn what we do here and ulate in your own City and towns and all that you know people from Wisconsin please come people from California please come you know we have it in New Hampshire every year every summer we have this camp and it's a very good thing so cam constitution. net okay and I talked to your friend Vince Allison from Maryland I also call him before I came he's a one of the good guy right yeah amazing Wily soon that was the most interesting conversation I've heard in a long time oh thank you for your time I appreciate it thank you thanks free speech is bigger than any one person or any one organization societies are defined by what they will not permit what we're watching is the total inversion of virtue.