Basil Wainwright has categorically invented a process to purify
whole donor blood in the bag, and his invention of polyatomic
aphaeresis ozone technology has created the most significant
breakthrough in the treatment of AIDS and degenerative diseases
found anywhere in the world to date.
(Polyatomic Apheresis Inc.)
GN = Gary Null
SAT = Sue Ann Taylor
BW = Basil Wainwright
GN: This program is Natural
Living, and I'm Gary Null of WBAI, a public-supported radio
Tonight I'll be talking to Sue Ann Taylor, an
investigative journalist, and Basil Wainwright, a scientist and
inventor of a particular ozone machine. Why is he in the
Metropolitan Correction Center in Miami—the jail? Why hasn't he
had a trial in three years? Why does the government not want his
story to get out? More on that later.
Is HIV the cause of AIDS?
HIV has never been found in any
scientific studies anywhere in the world to be the sole cause of
AIDS. No one can prove it. It is speculation. It is political
The man who said in 1982 that HIV was the probable
cause of AIDS (instantly it became dogma that it was)—did he
also inform the public he was the primary beneficiary of a test
for HIV, that he owns the patent and that millions of dollars
have gone to him and his associates? No.
Did the press vigorously explore all the allegations of fraud
and corruption? No.
The alternative press did.
We're the ones
that brought you that information. They tell you don't challenge
orthodoxy. We challenge you not to believe that but rather to
believe the experience of those who are the ultimate
authorities: the patients who are alive and well, having had the
opportunity to intelligently review the best of both and see
what works, and that's what we bring you.
You've heard previously from patients successfully treated using
non-toxic therapies, you've heard from the physicians who've
treated them. Now today, in this segment, Sue Ann Taylor,
investigative journalist, welcome to our program.
GN: Sue Ann, you recently returned from the Philippines where
you observed and recorded the effects of ozone treatment and a
polyatomic aphaeresis therapy on a group of HIV-positive and
AIDS patients. Would you give us the background of this and why
it is so important that the people hear this story?
SAT: Well, I was researching for a documentary that I had been
working on, called Living Proof—People Walking Away From AIDS
Healthy, because I was finding more and more evidence that there
were things that were in fact working for some AIDS cases and/or
HIV-positive cases. In doing that research I came upon ozone
therapy, and I also came upon all the controversy that surrounds
it. So when I was offered the opportunity to actually watch a
trial happen first hand, in the Philippines, I jumped at the
I went to the Philippines and I was stunned with what I saw,
because I was expecting the entire thing to take place in a sort
of wing of a hospital, or something that looked a little bit
more like what I expected medicine to look like. It was actually
a clinic that was set up rather ad hoc to provide space to do
justice to this trial, so I started out a little on the
skeptical side, not knowing what I was getting into.
There were nineteen HIV-positive people there, five of whom had
full-blown AIDS. Over the course of about three weeks I watched
the patients, or participants as they preferred to be called—six
of whom were in pretty bad shape—watched them go through some
pretty remarkable transformations and I saw it happen before my
very own eyes. There's no amount of journalists or medical
people who can tell me that what I saw I didn't see. I saw
people who were unable to walk, be able to walk again. I saw
people who were very, very ill just get considerably better and
all of the treatment was cut short by a raid by the government.
The Philippine government came in and shut down the entire
operation, after only about one-third of the prescribed amount
of treatment had been accomplished. It was a trial, so remember
there wasn't an absolute number on how much treatment they were
going to need—that was part of what they were there to
establish—but one-third of what they were expecting would be
close to the magic number of hours on the machine, had been
accomplished, and in that period of time remarkable reversals in
these people's conditions were evident.
GN: Alright, describe the clinic.
SAT: The [Cebu] clinic itself was an upscale home in the
Philippines. An upscale home in the Philippines looks kind of
like an upscale home in America. It was a very large home, two
storey, fairly large lot, and behind the home they had built
grass huts, but it wasn't as crude as that makes it sound; it
really had a vacation resort feel to it. It was not really
unacceptable—and by Philippines standards it was just fine. I
had an opportunity to go to one of the Philippines hospitals,
and the cleanliness within the clinic beat the cleanliness of
the Philippines hospitals that I visited.
All the Filipino staff
were excellent—I would pit their training against any training
of any nursing staff anywhere in the world. But some of the
things we take for granted, like refrigeration and insect
control, they just have really come to learn to live without
those things. The clinic was, by our own standards, crude, but
it was, you know, acceptable also. The materials were all new;
it's just, again, it didn't meet my preliminary expectations.
GN: Who was working there?
SAT: There was a group from Australia—the clinic was actually
owned by a couple named Bob and Rosanna Graham. The second group
was PAI, the polyatomic aphaeresis unit group, and all they did
was supply the equipment and people to train the Philippine
staff to use the equipment; and the third group was the
Philippine staff which consisted of two Philippine doctors and
GN: And who were the patients?
SAT: The patients were twenty Australians, nineteen with HIV,
one with multiple cancers.
GN: Is it illegal to enter the Philippines if you are an
SAT: My understanding is that it is illegal to go in
HIV-positive, but Immigration does not question you; there is no
testing and I don't know that the patients realized that it was
GN: Could you tell us of some the success stories of the
SAT: The most dramatic success story was a man named Paul. Paul
is 42 years old, he had been HIV-positive since 1984, has
full-blown AIDS and Kaposi's sarcoma. The lesions, the Kaposi's
sarcoma lesions on the bottom of his feet, were so great when he
left for the Philippines that he couldn't walk. He was in
slippers for over a year. He could not wear shoes. He gingerly
walked on the outsides of his feet and it was very difficult for
him to get around at all.
After eleven hours of treatment on the
machine, Paul's lesions went away. He was able to wear leather
shoes and, most importantly to Paul, he was off morphine for the
first time in four years. Prior to his going to the Philippines,
the cancer hospital had told him that he had reached the maximum
amount of radiation that he could receive safely, and he would
have to simply continue to increase his morphine to deal with
his increasing pain.
Paul believed that he had experienced just
miraculous treatment, that in eleven hours of that treatment the
lesions on his feet went away and he could wear shoes and walk
GN: Describe what the treatment consisted of.
polyatomic aphaeresis looks like the following: a
patient sits in a chair that looks a little like a dentist's
chair. It's a comfortable chair. There are intravenous needles
inserted in both of their arms, the blood coming out of the left
arm is pulled through a pump that is in synch with the heart
rate, and a circuit of blood is created between the left arm
coming out and the right arm coming in. The blood goes through a
series of tubes, goes down through a cascade tube where it is
met with ozone under pressure, and at that point that's where
the viral kill happens.
The blood continues down through an
escape tube, through a filter, back into their right arm. What
you see visually is the blood exiting the left arm is a very
black color; it is black. It goes down through this cascade
tube, which is a wide bore cascade tube, about an inch in
diameter, and it goes back into the arm, the right arm, a bright
cherry-red color. It comes out looking alarmingly different—this
is with the HIV patients—alarmingly different from what you
Now, the first patient I saw on the machine was a person without
HIV. She was a normal prison who had an infected foot, and her
blood came out looking like yours and mine would, and went back
in only slightly differently than it came out; so what I
witnessed was that the HIV patients' blood was considerably
blacker than a normal person's and went back considerably
lighter. That's, in a nutshell, what it is.
GN: Alright, now, what other parts of the therapy were included
with this ozone treatment, and how does this ozone treatment
differ from, let's say, one which would be done in New York
where you pull out about, oh, a half pint of blood, ozonate it
and put it back in the arm over a fifteen-to twenty-minute
SAT: I've never witnessed any of the other treatments that
you're talking about. The only two ozone treatments that I've
seen actually operate are the polyatomic aphaeresis and, using
the same equipment, a process called rectal insufflation where
the ozone gas is put in through a catheter into the rectum,
which becomes an ozone enema, so to speak. Those two were used
at the clinic and in conjunction with one another. Some of the
participants in the study had experienced the treatment that
you are talking about and had some success with it. What they
believe from their own experience, what they told me, is that it
was the difference between a Volkswagen and a Rolls Royce, from
what they felt with the treatment, you're talking about getting
in New York versus what they got in the Philippines.
GN: So, it was far more productive in the Philippines?
GN: Now, what happened to these twenty patients? Where are they
at now and have there been any additional protocols for these
people to follow?
SAT: The turning point of everything was on March 19. The
youngest participant was a 23-year-old woman named Jodi, and she
had full-blown AIDS. It was a real tragedy because she really
kind of represented all of our daughters, and her courage was
phenomenal. She died in the clinic and that's when things
started to tumble very quickly.
She died from a series of
complications. I'm not a medical expert but I believe she
received two insufflations too close together and her body had
trouble coping with the amount of ozone that she had taken in.
She also received those against doctor's orders, so I guess it
would have to be chalked up to human error rather than anything
to do with the equipment. She received the ozone via the rectal insufflation.
GN: You mean the Philippine doctors had suggested she not take
SAT: Actually, it was the American doctor, the expert on the
ozone, who had said this girl shouldn't have another until she
recovers a little bit. She had remarkable success on the
equipment, though. When I first arrived I was afraid Jodi was
not going to make it until the equipment arrived. There were all
kinds of customs hang-ups that prevented the equipment from
getting into the country and getting set up on time. So the
patients arrived ahead of the equipment, which was a real
management error because it just added too much stress to the
GN: By the way, who raided the clinic?
SAT: It was raided by the Department of Immigration.
GN: Was there any evidence the FDA had been involved in the
SAT: There wasn't any evidence that the FDA had been involved;
but what I was told was that the story really got underway when
Australia's version of A Current Affair did a scathing story on
the clinic and what the patients were about to experience, just
as they were getting on the plane. I was told by another
journalist in Australia whom I trust, that ACA is the one who
went in to the Department of Immigration and tipped them off. I
was also told that the producers were directed by their upper
management to do a 'chuck job' on the ozone therapy. And no
matter what they were told, no matter how much positive
information they were given, it never aired; and I watched this
happen time after time.
GN: So, in other words, there was a gross bias in the media,
from your interpretation, to prevent positive stories about the
success of ozone from getting back to the general population?
SAT: It's not even a question of interpretation. I watched it
happen; I watched the participants give interviews; I gave
interviews myself. We would turn on the TV and we would be
shocked at what actually would show up. Paul, whom I was telling
you about, would tell his entire story; he would show his feet,
all of those things; and he made a comment in one of the
television interviews where he said,
"After I got going I could
just feel it in my heart that this was working."
snippet is the only thing that they would use, and then they
would cut to the doctor saying, "Well, you know, there's a
certain amount of mind over matter," and all that kind of stuff.
So they were completely dismissing the science of it and trying
to make it sound like their improvements were all in their own
minds; but fifteen patients had improved T-cell counts, one as
high as a 70-percent increase.
GN: I would like to shift gears, now, and bring in another
individual to share a different perspective on this, and one
that we haven't talked about in the past. Basil Wainwright,
welcome to our program.
BW: Thank you very much, Gary. I must congratulate you on
running a super program, and a very courageous one too.
GN: Basil, you are now incarcerated in Florida?
BW: That's right, so if any of your listeners hear any
background effects, I must apologize for that. I am currently
incarcerated down here in Miami.
GN: From what I understand, you are a scientist and you are the
inventor of this polyatomic machine, this ozone machine, and
that you have been incarcerated without trial for three years.
Is that correct?
BW: Yes, I'm now well into my third year without trial and some
seven violations of my basic human rights.
GN: What are those violations?
BW: Well, there's the 4th amendment and the 5th amendment, the
6th amendment has been violated, and the 8th, and 14th. So . . .
GN: What has happened to your attorney filing proper motions to
get a fair and speedy trial? That's one of the constitutional
provisions for people who are incarcerated. I haven't heard of
people waiting three years except this particular political
detainee who was here in New York, the IRA supporter who was
held for some seven years.
BW: That is absolutely right. Well, it all started that—really,
I suppose I should give you and your listeners a brief synopsis.
I was working with Dr. Viebahn in Germany and I was brought into
this project along with Medizone, and then got very much
involved in the process. And I was somewhat intrigued to find
that nobody had really done any specific testing i.e., looking
at the cytotoxic levels or, that is, the concentration of ozone,
looking at the specific atomic structures of that, and also the
contacting time; so there were an awful lot of areas that
particularly interested me. I worked with the University of
Medicine and Dentistry and also the Mt. Sinai Hospital with Dr.
Weinburg and with Dr. Michael Carpendale, and started to get
very, very involved in the course.
It was very evident there were some phenomenal results being
seen in the AIDS area and I started to look at it more in-depth.
There were sever-al controversies going on as to whether it was
a function of free radical reaction or oxidation—but of course
both of those functions occur extensively—and also this
ionization; and I wanted to determine the specific parameters of
that, because when people refer to ozone you might just as well
refer to a vehicle being involved in a collision because you're
not really defining the atomic structure of ozone which can be
multifold. There can be many aggregate combinations of molecules
which can have very specifically different responses, and I
wanted to determine this.
GN: Since 1985 you have been working with some German doctors
including Dr. Viebahn that you talked about. Now, you had a way
of deter-mining that the ozone being used back then was not as
effective as the way you could create a better ozone; they were
using O2 but you also saw O3 and O4.
GN: Now tell us about what you found with what you created
concerning viral inactivation.
BW: Well, of course, I think it's very important for your
listeners to know that the reason scientists refer to
retroviruses' inactivation as opposed to being killed is because
normal micro-organisms have metabolic mechanisms, whereas a
retrovirus could almost be considered a piece of genet-ic
material drifting around in the bloodstream. And so, it's rather
difficult to kill a non-living thing, hence scientists refer to
inactivation. We looked at these various techniques and
procedures, including the study which we did with Biotest in
We determined that the German process worked but wouldn't
be dramatically effective because they were not treating high
enough volumes of blood. We wanted to see that once some-one had
been taken back to HIV negative using polyatomic oxygen or
ozone, they indeed remained negative. I think there is only one
case that actually went back to positive so that was rather
unique because all the doctors were saying, Okay, so what? You
get somebody to negative, but in a couple of months' time
they're going to go back to positive.
Well, that was proven not
to be the case, which I think even surprised the Germans. And it
might well be that the immune system kicks back in, and when we
say negative we're looking at nucleic acid response or PCR work
to deter-mine that; but certainly the patients were not going
back to positive—that was very interesting.
So we thought, okay, if these patients are going to use auto-hemotherapy
which you referred to earlier, Gary, where you take out half a
pint of blood, treat it with ozone, and then re-infuse it back
into the patient, that was taking typically eleven months, of
course combined with a very rigid nutritional control as well.
But using that process it was very evident that it's like
chipping away at a mountain with an ice pick when you're looking
at the view of this pandemic facing mankind; and it became very
apparent in 1987 that the best way to go was with dialysis or a
dialysis-type procedure. So I worked with dialysis equipment and
in fact filed my first dialysis patents using ozone in 1988.
However, using ordinary dialysis equipment which is a hollow
fibre membrane, we discovered there was too much homolysis
occurring as a result of that; also, the thing that we refer to
as mechanical shear. The very fact of pumping the blood round
outside the body can cause all sorts of trauma to cells—there
are thermal reactions, there are pressure zones, the pumping
head itself can actually crush cells—so we had to look at a
number of factors. And then, when we did more research, we found
that O4 in particular had some very unique responses.
It has a
phenomenal amount of electrons; as a matter of interest, in O4
you have 40 electrons, and that makes it a very powerful
negative ionizing platform drifting around in your bloodstream.
It was also far more stable than O3 which again was completely
the reverse of what everyone was projecting.
It was very evident that O3 had a better oxidative effect, and
that was very effective in eliminating infected cells, but O4
had the ability because of its ionization to break down, we
believe, the RNA, and of course uracil, which is a very
important sugar combination—the 5-carbon sugar in the virus
RNA—was actually being broken down. Well, when we actually
achieved this, we did our first study down at Biotest
Laboratories here in Miami—hence my incarceration down here.
did this study and as far as I know, for the first time in
history, using aphaeresis we successfully converted HIV-positive
to negative, and we could do this time and time again using PCR.
That's the reason we came here, actually, because Biotest
Laboratories in conjunction with Miami University had this
latest state-of-the-art equipment; and from that very moment,
the FDA witch hunt started.
We tried to keep a relatively low profile but of course the word
soon got around the system, and then one night I came home and
the SWAT team descended, guns drawn, and eight of them sort of
crashed in the front door. I was arrested and charged with
practicing medicine without a license, which of course is
complete nonsense. But the SWAT team, instead of looking for
anything that might indeed have been relevant to my practicing
medicine without a license, all they did was dig out all my
patent specifications, technical data and intellectual
So they came with a very specific directive from the
FDA, to seize all my intellectual property rights. From there I
was thrown into prison. Eventually I had charges from the FDA
which boil down to sending and selling ozone generators from
inter-state—interstate trading laws, etc. Unfortunately, a
couple of months after I was in prison, it was discovered that I
had a very severe heart condition. In fact, if this radio show
had been yesterday I doubt very much if I could have done it.
It's progressed to a point now where I'm collapsing and having
blackouts and stuff, but still hanging in there. I've just
recently done a technical paper.
Well, from that episode this series of things went on, and as
you quite rightly say—and I certainly won't bore your listeners
with the phenomenal list of violations against me—I'm now into
my third year; come October I'll be commencing my fourth year
without any trial. I've just recently been appointed some new
attorney who is hopeful of trying to get me bond. In fact, Dr.
Michael Carpendale and other doctors very courageously were
flying into Florida for a major hearing in front of the judge.
Everything was scheduled but at the very last moment the FDA
stepped in again and the hearing was cancelled, and my research
team had to frantically phone around and cancel everyone coming
in. I did get bond, much to the amazement of the FDA, which was
really an administrative error, and I was out for a few months.
During that time we managed to get a number of aphaeresis systems
put together and out into studies.
Most of the studies which were conducted in and around the
United States of course have already had the FDA SWAT teams
descend on them, close them down and seize equipment. And we've
had things reported like seven P24-antigen negatives, a couple
of PCR negatives, but at no time have we ever been able to get
into the real completion of a study. In every case, I think the
doctors would tell you they've seen absolutely dramatic results,
and that's not from me because this information has been fed
back to us.
They are very concerned that they're prevented from
pursuing this, since the process does really show some pretty
dramatic potential. The only way we are ever going to get this
out there is if the AIDS groups get up and demand polyatomic
aphaeresis so that we can get these studies up and running. We've
got a group working with two very, very prominent stars who hope
to apply sufficient pressure to be able to get this achieved.
During our studies we managed to determine that protein aspects
in the blood, in other words, high protein levels would have an
inhibiting effect on the success of the procedure. The normal
procedure that has been adopted by the Germans, i.e.,
introducing antioxidants—which is very popular over here too—was
also negating the effects of ozone.
Everyone in the United
States can enjoy the wonderful efficacy of ozone; there is
nothing against the law that you can't use it, and there are
several ways of applying it. In our protocols, prior to
treatment the patients will be receiving no antioxidants so that
we get the maximum oxidative effect from the O3 component which
we use 2 percent by weight, and 6 percent by weight of O4; and
we have a pretty rigid nutritional program too.
GN: So let me see if I can put this into perspective. Basil
Wainwright is now in a jail in Florida for developing a special
form of ozone machine that puts an O4 into the body. There are a
number of patients, estimated as high as 200, who have undergone
this polyatomic aphaeresis treatment so far. These have included
HIV, environmental and degenerative diseases, approximately
thirty persons with AIDS. Of those thirty people, all show
dramatic improvement, seven are P24-antigen negative, and two
are PCR negative, meaning there is no HIV viral DNA found in
their bodies, and the P24 means there is no active
replication—all replication of the HIV is done.
For the effort,
you have been put in prison without trial. When the doctors did
come to testify on your behalf, the FDA saw that the hearings
were postponed. On a technical glitch you were allowed out, and
then when they found out the technical glitch they put you back
in; and you have been in violation of several due processes
including a speedy trial. Why weren't the other doctors put on
trial or arrested? Why were you the only person involved in
BW: Well, because I was the primary motivating force and the one
that indeed held the patents in the United States office for
polyatomic aphaeresis, which is quite unique. The only reason
that I can think of is that I enjoyed the energy in working in
the process. We have a wonderful team, they're all terribly
dedicated to helping people, and we would like to think we are
motivated in attempting to do God's work.
Sue Ann and everyone
else who have been involved have expressed love and compassion
to all these patients, so it's been more than just a research
project for me. I thoroughly enjoyed working with the patients.
Of course, the pharmaceutical companies cannot file a patent on
ozone, and you can only file patents on the intellectual
property rights or the designs of the delivery mechanisms to the
patient; and being as we have those, I suppose the best thing
they could do and their only reaction was to throw me in prison,
hoping that it would completely bring everything to a halt. It
hasn't done that.
There's been a dedicated bunch of people out there; they
definitely need more support. We would certainly provide
equipment for AIDS groups on the United States if they would
only get up and demand poly-atomic aphaeresis and demand studies
which they could do. We would be only too pleased to provide the
equipment and, indeed, a number of very top doctors are prepared
to come along and offer their services and monitor and support
these test studies.
You undoubtedly know that Ed McCabe has been
doing some tremendous work in trying to open people's horizons
on these issues, and Ed of course has been very supportive and
he's become very supportive because he's been seeing the
successes. Unfortunately, a lot of the doctors that have been
involved in the research have had terrible pressure applied to
them; in fact, their very jobs and livelihoods have been
threatened by the FDA, which is very, very sad. I must admit
when I first came to the States in 1987 on this particular
project, the people told me this sort of thing existed in the
United States and I thought it was all James Bond stuff, but of
course I soon learnt to the contrary that indeed it was fact,
and here I am.
All I want to do in fact is get out of here and
research and work for the betterment of mankind and just simply
conduct God's work. In fact, I've just finished two scientific
papers while I've been incarcerated, and I've been working very,
very hard. A lot of good things: we've got a Middle East project
which has been confirmed which will be up and running very soon;
the Canadian government with NATO of course, as you've probably
read, indicated great interest.
Well, they've actually
approached us and we've had talks with them about structuring a
very special process which we've developed. It's from the blood
bag to the patient, so for the armed forces, if they get injured
out in the field and they're having delivery or transfusion of a
unit of blood, there's this process we've developed which goes
in series or in line with the IV to the patient, which actually
purifies the blood with polyatomic structures before it goes
into the wounded soldier.
So, despite my various bouts of
illnesses and I must admit it's been a bit touch and go at
times, I've certainly been keeping myself active, Gary, and as
I've said I've certainly been following your program with intent
and your work with intent, and I hope your listeners out there
realize what a super person you are and how you're projecting
this work and making this awareness to the people out there.
GN: Thank you Basil Wainwright, and let's hope for the best and
that justice will be served by being fair and by seeing that
your machine is tested. I want to thank you also for being on
today, Sue Ann Taylor. Any closing thought for us?
SAT: Well, the closing thought that I have is, after the raid
the mayor of the city gave the Department of Health the
opportunity that if they wanted the study to continue, he would
make space available in a hospital and make the patients the
guests of the city. For them to turn down that offer and shut it
down without looking at the patients' records, of which the
blood tests all showed improvements, or watching a
demonstration— that's when I started to believe that there was
some level of a conspiracy happening right before my eyes,
because they had made up their minds in the face of an offer
from the mayor and said let's finish it right here.
other point that I wanted to make, that I found alarming, is
that people who have the ability to make those decisions were
that closed-minded about the patients' pleas that this could
save our lives, that they shut the door in their faces.
GN: Sue Ann Taylor, you learned a good lesson, and that lesson
unfortunately is a bitter one: not always do the patients count
when there is a political or economic agenda ahead of their
interest. Thank you very much.
I am Gary Null, the program is