Part 3

Martin: What is "The Agenda" that you refer to in your new book? (for information about this book "click" HERE)

David Icke: When you're getting into the lower fourth dimension and this level of it, I'm still trying to understand more and more clearly what the overall agenda is. It seems that, somehow, this lower fourth-dimensional consciousness, entities, whatever you want to call them, have actually caught themselves in a prison. They're in the lower fourth dimension because they are resonating to that frequency because of their state of being. They're into control, they're into manipulation of fear, and anyone who manipulates fear is, themselves, entrapped in fear. And as a result of that, they cannot get out of that frequency range by going upwards, because you can only do that by changing your mental and emotional state which leads to your vibrational frequency increasing, which allows you to gravitate to higher levels.

It could well be - and I'm certainly being led in this direction at the moment - that they are trying to get out of that lower fourth dimension, or expand out of it, by coming into the third dimension and working and controlling three dimensionally. Certainly, even if you only take a three-dimensional level, the agenda is for these bloodlines, which compared - this is the point, Rick - compared with the global population, are not large in number. They've expanded out of the Near and Middle East, particularly, but other places, too. And by this manipulation of always being at the top of the pyramids - the pyramids of banking, the pyramids of politics, the pyramids of business, the pyramids of medicine, and all this stuff - they have created a situation in which they sit atop these compartmentalized pyramids and get the vast majority of humanity to advance their agenda without most of them even realizing there is an agenda being advanced.

This is the only way it could be done. This is why divide and rule is vital.

This is why the human herd, which, unfortunately, we've allowed ourselves to become, actually polices itself by making it a crime to be different. Anyone who expresses a different view, anyone who expresses a different lifestyle, most of the rest of the herd jump on them and say "You can't do that" and make life difficult for them, ridicule them, condemn them or whatever.

So what these bloodlines have done, sitting atop these pyramidal peaks, is actually to have manipulated the mass of the pyramid to fight itself, to war itself, to police itself - hence, divide and rule. It seems that they have had an agenda, which because it's focus is the lower fourth dimension, it's had a very different version of time to us - it can see down the three-dimensional timeline much further than we can - and it has actually had a long-term agenda, leading to the time we're going into now, to actually have global control through these global institutions of world government, world central banking, world currency, world army, world centralization of all things.

But, of course, if there's only a few of you and you need to control a large number of people, then it is absolutely vital that you centralize power. There are just too many areas of power and thought, and areas where people are making their own decisions about their own lives.

You just can't control that without organization. You have to centralize it. And the more you centralize it, the more power those few have over the masses, which is why global centralization of power (and the institutions) is what they've been working through all this time. And if you look at the incessant movement over these thousands of years, I'm talking about-it was slow to start with, and it just got faster and faster and faster as they've gotten control of more and more things.

Thousands of years ago there was, to a certain extent, diversity, because people were all over the world in different cultures that were-through distance and transportation reasons and other things, apart from the elite - I would suggest, disconnected from each other. And then, the more that time has moved on, the more these cultures have been able to be connected by the emergence of technology, etc., the more it's been possible to control the world centrally. And they've now reached the point, because of the technology and the computer systems that exist today, where they can actually control everything from a central point. And that's what they've been aiming toward all this time.

So, in Europe now, where I'm sitting, we have the European Union, where a few bureaucrats in Brussels are dictating the legislation to, basically, the whole of Western Europe now. The European Union laws overpower national laws. If a national law is at odds with European Union law, then the national law has to go. That's where we're at here in Europe now.

We have a single currency, which is being expanded to be the single currency of the whole of Europe. We have a Central Bank in Frankfurt, where Hitler was going to put his had he won the war. And we have a situation in which the centralization of power in Europe has turned into, literally, a fascist state. The fasces, the symbol in the Roman Empire, from which we get the word fascist, is actually a bundle of rods tied very tightly together around an axe with an axe head projecting at the top. In other words, you tie together individual expressions and you rule them from the top with one law, one source of control. Well, the fasces symbol is actually - you actually cannot describe the European Union more simply and profoundly than with that symbol - it is a fascist state we have in Europe.

I was reading only the other day, I think it was the Miami Herald or something like that, when I was over in the Bahamas area, that they've now said that they want a "Free Trade" area - which, of course, is what the European Union came out of-from the tip of South America to the tip of North America, by the year 2005.

I just spent a lot of time in Canada recently and they are artificially depressing the value of the Canadian dollar so that when they offer - this is already happening in Canada, Rick, at a legislative level - when they offer Canadians the opportunity to take the American dollar as their currency, then the Canadians will, overwhelmingly, jump at it because the value of that currency is much higher than the Canadian currency. So this is the manipulation going on now because they want the American dollar to be the currency of the whole of the Americas.

Both George Bush and Bill Clinton - who are supposed to be opponents, but of course aren't - have both called for NAFTA to go from the tip of North America to the tip of South America, and that's the stage before they turn the whole of the American continent into their version of the European Union, which we already have here, in which a few bureaucrats at a central point would dictate the laws for the whole of the Americas. And that, the European Union, the American Union, they want, and something called the Pacific Union, which is being evolved out of a free-trade area called APEC (Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation), that's the next level of control below the world government that they want. And under that will come nations and regions that will have no power at all.

Interestingly, when I was in Australia, literally a few weeks ago, talking, the big story was a sales tax that was being introduced to increase basic things like the price of food in Australia. And, of course, Australia is not a big population, I mean, it should be a self-contained unit that would actually not be at the mercy of the world's system - but it is, because that's the way it's structured. And when the politicians in government were asked, "Why on Earth do we have to have this tax?" the reply was, "We cannot act within a trading area" what's the word, "a trading group, without this tax." In other words, the tax is part of the submission and submergence of Australia into the APEC free trade area, which is exactly what is happening in Europe, and is rapidly happening in the Americas - and that is, basically, "The Agenda".

But the key to The Agenda, also, is to introduce the microchip into the population. And, again, all over the world these microchips are just waiting until we have been properly manipulated into seeing them as a good idea:

"Get your kids microchipped at birth."
"Well, you'll never get mugged for your credit cards or your cash anymore."
"Have a little microchip with all of your financial details."
"Oh, hey, what a great idea to have all of your medical records on a little microchip, because then, if you have an accident or anything, then doctors have access to your medical records just by reading the chip."

All of these things around the world, I have seen as part of the process of preparing us, as they've done by using microchips in domestic animals, to be microchipped.

Interesting story, Rick, this, I was approached about a year ago - I think I've told you this before - through a third party to meet a guy who's been working for the CIA as a scientist for a long, long time - most of his working life; he's a genius in his particular area. And he jointed the CIA because he thought he was serving his country, as many people do - just because you're working for the CIA doesn't mean you're part of this.

And he said that eventually he started to realize that they were using his genius for anything but positive reasons. They wanted his genius for very, very malevolent reasons. And he started to understand that there was this agenda that was unfolding behind the scenes that people didn't see.

When he started rebelling against the way that his work was being used, he said he woke up one morning and he had missing time. He remembers leaving his home, but then it’s all a blank. And then the next thing he remembers is waking up in a type of medical room. When he got his faculties back, he realized that he had a see-through sache, as we call them in England - a plastic see-through pouch-thing - they call them "patches", apparently, in the trade.

It was on his chest and in this patch was a yellow-gold liquid. He opened his shirt, as he's telling me this story, and there it was. What he said was, they had manipulated his body to need this drug to survive, and if the drug was stopped, he would start to die. And it takes about three months, apparently, a very painful and horrible death.

This patch has to be replaced every 72 hours, and if he rebels or refuses to do anything they say, they don't replace the patch and he starts to die. They've done it to him once, when he rebelled again. Now, apparently, he tells me, there are files at CIA headquarters which have identified scientists and people like that all over America. The same will be happening in other countries, too, of course.

They decide whether the patch is to be replaced, whether the scientist, at this point, is indispensable or dispensable, and all these things. He knows that, in the end, what they do is, when they've gleaned all the knowledge that you can give them, then they don't replace the patch because they don't want you going around talking about it.

They also do mind control on them, as well, which kind of puts a mirror, a scan, across their mind, like a veil, so they don't remember much of it anyway when they leave these projects.

What he said to me was a number of things. First of all he said, big time, watch China, because that's part of The Agenda. The other thing he said - as you well know, as much as anyone - the technology has existed for a very long time to cure cancer. The technology has existed for a very long time to give us all the free energy we need, without utility bills. And he said another thing interesting, which was in his area of expertise; he said, "You know, the technology exists to create abundant growth in deserts, without water, using magnetics." He said, "At it's most optimum, you can see the crops grow like a time-lapse photograph." There is no need for anyone to be hungry, anywhere in the world.

But the point of telling you that story, apart from the interest of it, is that he said, basically, "If people are going to say no to just one thing, please tell them to say no to the microchip." He said this is because the microchip is not just about electronic tagging, as some conspiracy people think. Yes, it's about that, on one level, and it's certainly not just about making it easier to find your child. He said people don't realize the level of technology that exists.

He said the real use of the microchip in the population is to give external control of people's thinking and emotional processes through external signals and pulses. He said these microchips, once they're inside you, the pulses that they send out to them - and a lot of the Star Wars thing is all, actually, the veil for the technology to control these microchips - they will be able to externally make you aggressive or docile, sexually aroused, sexually suppressed, suppress your intellectual state so that you stop thinking to your capacity. And the idea is to literally turn humanity into a race of externally manipulated robots.

We are now in a situation where these microchips exist and they're just waiting for, probably, "problem, reaction, solution" to create a situation in which the chips become accepted.

And, it's interesting, when I spoke in South Africa last year, I got a heck of a lot of publicity very soon after I arrived because they didn't realize what I was saying, and a lot of these things were live, of course. So, I was out there talking, and before they realized what I was saying, in a matter of three or four days, I talked live for 25 minutes to 29 African countries, on one occasion. As a result of this there was tremendous interest. Winnie Mandela came to one of my talks. I had a private meeting with P. W. Botha, the former President of South Africa. I'll tell you a story about him in a second. There was tremendous interest.

One of the journalists who'd interviewed me on one of their main Current Affairs programs called me about two days later and he said, "I've had a very funny chap calling me." He rang, he said, and he didn't see the show but someone had told him about it. And he said he demanded to know how I, Icke, knew about the microchip plan.

What it turned out is that this guy got the wrong end of the stick. He'd got the impression that I'd gone on this Current Affairs program and talked about the South Africa microchip program. I knew nothing about it, at the time. What I was talking about, of course, was the microchip agenda, globally.

Anyway, this guy, as a result of thinking I'd talked about it, blurted out some things because he was saying, "No one should know about this! Everyone's been sworn to secrecy!"

And the journalist said, "What are you talking about?"

And the caller said there was a company in South Africa which had been producing the microchips for the South African people, and they'd all been sworn - Official Secrets Act and all this stuff - not to talk about it and that the agenda that they were working toward should not be known by the South African people. This came out as a result of him thinking I'd blurted it all out, and I hadn't-I'd just talked about the global thing. So these things are happening in every country.

But the P.W. Botha thing is interesting. This is a nice one, and it's never come out before. I mentioned it in The Biggest Secret, I think. Never came out, to my knowledge. Winnie Mandela came to one of my talks in Johannesburg, I mean, a thousand people turned up! They were going crazy for it in South Africa. After a lot of publicity, I got a call from the daughter of P. W. Botha, who was President during the apartheid years when Mandela was involved in the '80s, with F.W. de Klerk, and it was de Klerk who lead Mandela out and all that stuff, which again was all part of The Agenda.

It just turned South Africa from overt control to covert control - and of course, the world has walked away now, no longer paying attention - with the same people, the Oppenheimer family, running South Africa as they did before. It's just that no one is exposing it anymore because South Africa is free, you know, I read it in the newspaper somewhere.

His daughter said that Botha wanted to meet me. Now, as synchronicity would have it, I was talking at a small place, the only small place I spoke at, actually-I did the cities, mainly-and not far from down the coast from Port Elizabeth, and it just so happened that fifteen minutes from the point of the talk lived P. W. Botha in retirement. So I went to see him.

He was talking to me - I found it really bizarre, Rick, to be honest! I'm sitting there talking to the former President of South Africa, and he's asking me about the way in which this manipulation works. He's naming all the names like Kissinger and Carrington and Rockefeller, and all these people who manipulated South Africa, but he hadn't genuinely seen that actually South Africa was just one element in a global agenda. He thought they just had it in for South Africa.

When you realize that you can get to that level and people still don't bloody know what's going on, the compartmentalization just takes your breath away.

We started talking about the Rothschilds - this is the point - and he said, "Oh, yeah, I had an interesting meeting with the Rothschilds. In the 1980s I was asked to host a meeting with the English Rothschilds in Capetown."

He said the Rothschilds told him that there was money in Swiss bank accounts, great wealth in Swiss bank accounts, which once belonged to German Jews, and was available for investment in South Africa, if they could agree on interest rates. In other words, this Rothschild family, who are held up as like bastions of Judaism, and supporters and defenders of Jewish people, have actually been lending money in Swiss bank accounts that once belonged to German Jews, and making a fortune from it, ever since the war. And P. W. Botha can vouch for this because he was offered it, in the 1980s in Cape Town.

This is what Jewish people really ought to get wise to - that the Rothschilds are not on their side, not in the least, and they have manipulated Jewish people as much as anyone else. And, of course, one of the funders of Adolf Hitler, which starts to make things even more clear and starts to fit the picture even more clearly, why the banking family that funded and bankrolled Hitler, to a large extent, would, after the war, be having control of the money from German Jews in Swiss bank accounts, to the point where they could use it for their own gain ever since. And this, of course, is the money that came to light in the last couple of years and has caused this great scandal about people being denied their money.

Martin: You've stated that you've observed people waking up around the world. In the final analysis, what does that mean?

David Icke: It seems that there is a cycle, which we're coming toward the end of, which is acting - it's a vibrational cycle, in terms of it's effect on the Earth's field - which is acting like a spiritual alarm clock. It's beginning to wake people up from what I call the "terrestrial trance", the spiritual slumber is so long.

And this is why people close to Kissinger during the '70s have told me that it was Kissinger and his cronies who actually created what we call the New-Age Movement, an important point, this, vital. When I've said this, people have said, "Well, that's ridiculous!" Is it, really?

There's a vibrational cycle going on which is waking people up. Now, apart from going to the Sun and switching it off, or changing it's vibrational cycle, whatever, you have one other alternative-and that is to take awakening people, and put them in a position, preferably about a foot below the ceiling, where awakening people - on one level - are not going to become a danger to your agenda. And what they've done is, they're taking the spiritually awakening people and they've put them on the ceiling, overwhelmingly.

 

Not all, by any means, but great, great numbers of them. And in that place they are not involved in spirituality as change, they're involved in spirituality as escapism, spirituality as denial, spirituality as an excuse not to get your hands dirty in the three-dimensional world. They are in complete denial - most of those people, not all by any means, but most - of the fact that this manipulation is going on.

I keep hearing this, "Oh, it's negative. We shouldn't be talking about this." And then, on the other side, those who have identified the problem in America are overwhelmingly the Christian Patriot Movement, not exclusively by any means, but overwhelmingly that's the focus of so much of it. And they think that spirituality, as expressed metaphysically in the New-Age stuff, is the bloody devil.

So what the lluminati have done magnificently is detach the metaphysical understanding of how we can get out of here from the three-dimensional, street-wise awareness of the manipulation. So, they've taken the problem and the solution and they've got one to identify the problem, and they've got the solution to be a denial there's a problem to solve, if you follow me.

Martin: I do.

David Icke: And they've done it brilliantly. And this is why Kissinger put out some of the New-Age big names, and still controls many of them who are still persuading people that, in effect, the cavalry is going to come. And, so often, when you look at New-Age thought, it is merely another way of expressing a religious bloody thought. You know, instead of giving your mind away to deities or whatever, you're giving your mind away to gurus or to bloody external entities and stuff.

I'm not saying that we should not look at this information, but we have to filter it through our own "truth detector" and come to our own truth, rather than having us be told by someone else how we should live our lives and how we should think and how we should see the world.

And in so many areas the New-Age movement has become just another form of religion and control. And I'll tell you what, in areas of the New-Age movement that I've experienced, you go against the "party line" and you see what happens. You know, it's just like going against the party line of Christianity or going against the party line of the Pope - you get jumped on by the majority.

And individualism, while they talk about the necessity for it, the desire for it, is constantly crushed by the belief system of the group. It's interesting, you know, when I talk about this in my talks, everywhere I go in the world I get applause from the audience. Because I think people are starting to get sick of the New-Age movement, which is actually so often diverting us from and suppressing us from the real truth of metaphysics. And the real truth is that WE, as individuals, are in control of our destiny, and not external forces being in control.

And so, I think it's very important, in the years that we are in now, that we start to take our individual sovereignty back and start to realize that we have the right to decide our truth and live our truth, and not have another truth imposed upon us, whether it's the New-Age movement, Christianity, Hinduism, Atheism, or whatever it is, because the whole basis of the control is getting individuality subordinated to the group, getting individuality suppressed by the majority, suppressed by the herd mentality.

There are two ways of solving the problem. We can find the solution to it, which is actually not the best way, because for me the best way of solving a problem is removing the cause of it and then it goes away. The cause of the few controlling the planet is people giving their power away and not thinking for themselves and just following the one in front without question. And, insisting - and this is the key thing, stage two - insisting that others do the same, because once that happens, you create a situation in which whoever sets the norms in the world, whether considered sane or insane, possible or impossible, moral or immoral, whoever sets those norms runs the world.

This happens because of the overwhelming, vast majority of humanity who have given their power away and given their thinking processes and individuality away, and will live their lives in accordance with those dictated norms because they're not thinking or questioning them.

Now, that's fine, that's a choice - I don't have a problem with that. The key thing, as I say, the people who succumb to those norms, they insist that those who don't want to do so should also succumb to those norms. And, at that point, when you have the herd policing itself, and making life unpleasant for those who wish to detach from it, at that point you have the basis, and only at that point, you have the basis on which the few who set the norms can run the world, because you get humanity becoming not just the sheep, but also the sheep-dog, not just the prisoner, but also the prison guards.

And only in that way, through thousands of years to the present minute, has it been possible for a few to control the world.

So, for me, three things would change this and would dramatically transform the world we live in for the better, because of all that would come from this. Those are:

• One: as individuals, we step out of the fear of what other people think of us because that is the prison that most people live in. And once you're in the fear of what someone else thinks, you are not living YOUR life in YOUR truth; you are living someone else's version of what they think you should be. In other words, you're in the herd now. If we step out of the fear of what other people think, as individuals, and say, to use the title of one of my books, I Am Me, I Am Free, and if you don't like it, that's fine - you have a right not to like it - but this is me! At that point we cease to be a sheep. And if enough of us do it, we cease to be a herd of sheep.

   

• Second: we allow everyone else to express their uniqueness, even though it differs from ours. You know, "What a crime; call the police; my goodness me, this person thinks different than me!" Once we do that, we cease to be a sheep dog for the rest of the herd. Just those two things alone, and this whole edifice of imposed power starts to crumble because the very basis of it is crumbling.

   

• And third: the balance point, no one seeks to impose what they believe on anyone else, so all are respecting everyone's free will, so that my belief is not imposed on anyone else.

That's the reason why whatever anyone says about me or says about what I write or what I say, I am completely at peace with that because they have a right to think what they want to think. They only need to respect my right to have the same honor of having my feelings also honored, as my right to express them. This is why, when conspiracy theorists hurl abuse at others who say something different, I think they've lost the plot.

So, those three things would bring this edifice of power crumbling down, because they're the three things, in reverse, that allow the few to run the world. If we didn't concede our mentality to a herd mentality, and if we didn't insist that the people around us did the same, and if we respected everyone's right to express their uniqueness without having ours imposed upon them, then the ability of the few to control the planet would be removed, immediately, because those three things have to be in place-the herd mentality, the herd policing itself, imposing your will on others.

If those three things are not in place, you can't control centrally, it's impossible. And we have the ability and we have the choice, and that's all it is, now, to reverse those things, to remove them, just by how we react and act with each other, and bring this edifice of power crumbling down.

 

And this is the point, as all the circle starts to connect itself, when we get, Rick, into that state of being where we respect our own uniqueness and right to express it, when we start to celebrate and glory in diversity instead of scorning it, when we allow other people to have that same privilege, when we don't seek to impose our will onto others, at that point our vibrational state-because of our emotional and mental state of being-starts to vibrate quicker and quicker and quicker and we start to reconnect with those higher dimensions of ourselves and we start to become whole, multi-dimensional beings again instead of disconnected fragments, caused by the vibration of fear and aggression and imposition.

So, actually, everything connects to everything else. And so, if we set ourselves free and set each other free, we become vibrationally reconnected and therefore free of this lower fourth-dimensional manipulation. Everything comes from our state of being and we're in complete control of that. Which is why only a few can control the world, because we've conceded our right to be who we are to somebody else.

Martin: That's a perfect place to end.