Part 2

The other thing that I'm connecting in The Biggest Secret - and more and more people are beginning to do this- is the connection between the Earth and Mars, because it seems to me that the cataclysms which destroyed so much of the Earth, which the geological record, as well as the ancient legends and accounts talk about, the massive cataclysms, probably one that destroyed what became known as Atlantis and there were later ones, too, were the same cause of that cataclysm, some renegade or out-of-control celestial body of some kind actually destroyed Mars.


I'm just reading books about compilations of the evidence that's been gathered about Mars, and there is tremendous evidence that Mars was actually a planet with an atmosphere very much like the Earth's, in the very near past, certainly the last 20,000 years, even 10,000 years, possibly. And, I think there was a tremendous connection between a civilization on Mars and the Earth, and when this cataclysm destroyed Mars, the surviving "Martian" people, who could - well, I suggest, be what we call the White race today, genetically - actually came and settled here and re-emerged, eventually, as the Sumerian culture, the Egyptian culture, and those great civilizations of the ancient world.

Interestingly, the connections between their symbolism, their deities, their legends, and the planet Mars are absolutely extraordinary. So, there is something big-time to look at there.

And what Arizona Wilder has said, in that in her preparation and training to conduct the rituals, because she was obviously a Cathy O'Brien-type, multiple-personality-created-robot to do these rituals, she said, what she was told by the insiders during her training was that the White race and this reptilian race have actually been at war with each other for a long, long time, not just on planet Earth. And that somehow the reptilians want more than anything the blond-haired, blue-eyed genetic stream because there's something in the blood that they want.

She also suggests - I don't know if this is true, I'm just quoting her - that the desperate need to conduct rituals and drink human blood, particularly blond-haired, blue-eyed blood, is because there's something in there that they want, is actually part of their need to hold this human three-dimensional form, through which they can operate from the fourth dimension. And if they don't get this blood, then they genetically start to fall-apart, in terms of the three-dimensional, apparently, human form.

Whether that's true or whether it's not true, and obviously I don't know that, when you look at totally unconnected sources who talk about the involvement of the elite in these rituals, and stuff like that, they say again and again, that some of the most famous people in American politics, business, banking, and Britain too, like the Royal Family, are actually addicted to blood-drinking, and particularly addicted to an adrenaline that enters the blood at the point of sacrifice.

And it's like a theme, like I say, which you can follow back with these bloodlines, right back to the ancient world. And when I talk to therapists around the world who work with satanically abused people, those who survived, trying to give them their minds back, they tell me that the deities their clients tell them are used in these rituals today are exactly the same deities that the Babylonians were using and the Cainites were using and the Phoenicians were using, right back in the ancient world.

So, The Biggest Secret for me, in summary, is that an extraterrestrial race has interbred with humanity, creating particular hybrid bloodlines which they can work through from this dimension very close to ours, and that as it expanded over the thousands and hundreds of years to the present day, they've managed to expand their power out of a power base in the Near and Middle East, other places too but particularly there, until today they are actually in control of the planet.

And it is the ultimate control because they're controlling the planet from another dimension, but most of humanity doesn't even think that there are other dimensions. And this suppression of knowledge about other dimensions, the suppression of knowledge of the nature of life, the nature of frequencies and vibrations, and the eternal nature of consciousness, for reasons that this Illuminati has created religions to suppress - indeed, make so off - limits for many thousands of years just talking about these things is to suppress the very knowledge or even perception that there could be any other dimension or any other levels of life, which means that they can go on controlling humanity from levels of existence that most of humanity doesn't even accept exist. I mean, you can't get better forms of control than that.

Martin: Ok. A couple of questions come to mind from what you've just said. One, which is not a question that I would particularly ask, but I'm sure other readers might: Have you encountered any credibility issues since you have gotten into the reptilian subject?

And then, after you cover that: Obviously there is a Divine Hand overseeing the entire planetary transition. What would you say to those readers who despair over the apparent hopelessness at the hands of these elite controllers?

Icke: Right, well, yeah, that's a big question. First of all, let's answer the credibility thing. Let's make very clear where I'm coming from. First of all, I really do not give a shit what anyone thinks of me and what I do. What I care passionately about is trying to uncover what's going on so that it can be stopped and changed, and I care passionately about everyone having the right to hear all information and not just that which will lead us to a certain limited conclusion. I am completely emotionally detached from how people receive what I do, because if I wasn't, you'd just go crazy.

People have a right to believe whatever they want to believe, and that includes the right to dismiss whatever I say. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with the suppression of the communication of information. So, how people receive it is completely up to them, and it's their absolute right to accept it, accept a bit of it, or just dismiss the lot. That's up to them. So, I don't have a problem with that, it's of no importance to me how people receive it. It's important to me that they have the right to have access to it.

On the other side of it, however, I would say this: I've spoken all around the world about this, and The Biggest Secret has now been out for a few months. I mean, you know, we're now into 30,000 print-runs on this book. I mean, it's extraordinary, the interest in it. And, what has staggered me is that I've actually stood up on public stages all over the world and talked about this, and the reaction, while it has been one of astonishment to start with, it actually makes sense to incredible numbers of people when they sit long enough to hear the evidence. Because I'm not standing up there and asserting this is what's going on, that's what's going on. I'm saying this is the information, this is what people are experiencing, look at the support of it in the ancient world. There is a case to answer here, something is going on.

So, the way it has been received has been staggering. What I find disappointing - it doesn't really matter to me, but I find disappointing because of it's effect - is the way that some conspiracy researchers, who are always saying that there's suppressed information and all this stuff, actually want to suppress the information I'm presenting that they don't like as well.

Martin: Right.

David Icke: It's extraordinary. I mean, people talk about freedom, Rick, and yet they don't understand what it is. So often, when I talk to people about freedom and they say, "Yeah want freedom." If you talk to them long enough, you find that they don't actually want freedom. They want the freedom to replace an imposition they don't like with an imposition they do!

You know, this is when you get the Christian Patriot Movement, of which I have great sympathy in the way that they are trying to expose some levels of the conspiracy, but you know, I don't see much of a difference between an imposed culture and imposed thought through the Illuminati being replaced by an imposed thought through "one nation under God". Because when you say, "Well, whose God are we talking about here?" Theirs, of course, is the Christian version of God. That's no more freedom than anything else. So, I find it sad that, even though "divide and rule" is actually the foundation of all control by the few of the many, throughout human history, without it you couldn't do it, that conspiracy researchers and people in some of the religions still fall for this scam of divide and rule.

So, actually, some of the most fierce abuse that I've had since the book came out has not been from the public, actually, it's been from some other conspiracy researchers who can't get their head around anything beyond the physical. You know, be my guest. But surely whether we agree with each other or not, what a boring world if we did agree with everything we all said. Surely if we're going to get to the heart of this, we need to focus on what we're all agreed on, which is the need to expose that this world is controlled.

Now, I might have a certain view, based on the information that I've uncovered, of who is controlling it and all that stuff, but let's say, "Well, I don't agree with you on that, I can't get my head around that, I haven't done that research anyway, so I don't know." But let's agree on what we agree on, and let's go together, united, behind the desire for freedom in the world. But instead of that, once somebody writes anything or says anything that's different, to even the conspiracy norm, because that norm has now started to emerge, another bloody prison, then other conspiracy researchers start laying-into and abusing each other. I mean, some of the stuff that goes around on the Internet with conspiracy people abusing each other, I mean, I reach for the sick-bag. I mean, the statement that "a few can't control the world" is a piece of cake to knock down.

But the third point that you make is a very, very important one because this is a whole area of research and understanding which I'm now moving deeper and deeper into. We are multi-dimensional beings. We have part of our consciousness working directly through the physical form, in three-dimensional embodiment, in three-dimensional awareness, but we exist on all other dimensions. In the end, we are everything. You know, everyone is the same energy consciousness, we are everything in the end.

There's only an "I", not even a "we", when you get to the highest level of all this. But, I've actually talked about this in bits and pieces in previous books, but I'm beginning to understand this more and more, now.

I suggested in And The Truth Shall Set You Free that we could well be living inside a vibrational prison, that somehow a vibrational net had been thrown around this third dimension which made it very, very difficult for three-dimensional embodied consciousness - if you like, the consciousness that's looking through the eyes and hearing through the ears - to connect with its multi-dimensional self.

And it seems to me that this lower fourth-dimensional level, that this elite-controllers group works on, and I want to emphasize this, Rick, very, very strongly - when I talk about reptilians, I am not talking about all reptilians. Just as when we talk about the Illuminati, we're not talking about people in physical form. I'm talking about a particular group. I'm sure the reptilian form is a massive constant across great chunks of this galaxy and beyond, and I'm certainly not saying that anyone in reptilian form - any time anyone sees anyone in reptilian form, and there are a lot of people who do - and say, "I didn't get bad vibes from them."

Quite right, because we're not talking about ALL reptilians, we're talking a group that appears to take a reptilian form because that's how people keep seeing these people in power.

So, I would emphasize that very strongly because we don't want to get into this "good guys/bad guys" crap or we lose the plot again. The truth is never black or white; it's always a shade a gray, it seems to me.

What I'm beginning to more and more understand is that this lower fourth-dimensional level that this group operates from, this "Illuminati consciousness" - we'll put it like that - is the frequency range that vibrates to the emotions of fear and the off-shoots of fear, like guilt, resentment, aggression, all these things. And, therefore, the more that events can be created on the Earth which generate - my goodness me, they do by the minute - the emotions of fear, guilt, resentment, etc., within the human form, we are actually turned into generators of energy for that lower fourth-dimensional frequency range, if you follow me.

Because every time we feel emotion, the emotion of fear, our thought-emotional patterns are resonating energy around us and within us to that frequency of fear, which appears to relate very strongly to this lower fourth-dimensional level.

Now, where experiments have been done - I think the Institute of HeartMath in America has done a lot of this; it's got an Internet site, it's very interesting - they've done experiments measuring the frequency of various emotions, and they've shown that the frequency of fear is very low, slow. And when we're feeling fear, it is actually resonating our energy very slowly. When we feel the emotion of what we call love, in it's truest sense, that is a very fast frequency which actually resonates our energy very quickly. It's like waves going through and resonating the energy, which is just neutral. I mean, thought resonates the energy. Do you want it fast? Do you want it slow? What were you thinking? What were you feeling?

So the more - this is vital to understanding this on a higher level, I would suggest - the more that humanity lives it's life in fear and the off-shoot emotions that come from fear, the slower the vibrational resonance of consciousness working directly through the physical form. If the highest expression of ourselves, beyond this lower fourth-dimensional "cess-pit" vibration, as I call it, is operating at a higher wavelength than fear, and ultimately at the wavelength of love, what I would suggest is the highest wavelength of all - just like Radio America cannot sync with Radio Philadelphia because they are on different wavelengths - the wavelength of fear cannot sync with the higher wavelengths of love and other states of being.

So, in essence, as long as humanity can - in physical embodiment, that level of our consciousness - be kept and immersed in the emotion of fear, we actually vibrationally disconnect and can do nothing else, can do nothing other than disconnect from the highest expressions of who we are. We can't do anything other than that.

So, coming to the question, Rick, and it's a very important one, "How do we get out of here?" and "Where are the good guys?"- I keep hearing, "Where are the people coming to help us?"

Well, those of an emotional-mental state of being that wish to set - not in embodiment, I mean other - dimensional beings who are of an intent to set the planet free, they are of a level of vibrational resonance, as a result of that state of being, in which they cannot connect with consciousness that is in a state of fear. It simply cannot happen because there is a vibrational gap between the two. This is the vital point I would suggest, anyway.

It's not that those of higher-dimensional consciousness who wish to set us free have to connect with us; it's that we, in fear, have need to connect with them. And the only way of doing that is through breaking out of fear; it's breaking out of the three-dimensional illusion, the movie screen, the holographic kind of virtual reality game that we're looking at when we open our eyes, and getting into the wavelength of love, in it's true sense.

Because when we start to vibrate as a result of that state of being, to the energy of love, and our intent is freedom for all, not just ourselves, freedom in its true sense - freedom for you to say what I don't agree with, freedom for you to live your life-style in a way that I wouldn't live mine - that level of true freedom, that I will stand for your freedom to say something that I disagree with as much as I'll stand for mine to say what I think - when you hit that level, then your state of being starts to vibrate faster and faster, and starts to reach through this vibrational prison of low-vibrational emotion, fear overwhelmingly, and reconnect with the higher dimensions of ourselves; we start to become whole again.

Then we become lights or beacons that can bring this higher-dimensional knowledge/consciousness/understanding into embodiment and start to become like broadcast transmitters of it, which starts to resonate and change the energy field that we're living in, and starts to break-up this fear-based energy field that we've been living in all this time-and have been manipulated to add to every time we think and feel fear.

So, again, it's about responsibility BY ME. It's not about saying, "Come and save us!" It's about saying, "How do we connect with those who can guide us out of this abyss?"

What if this abyss is actually a lower vibrational energy field caused by the overwhelmingly dominating fear emotion on planet Earth. We have actually feared ourselves into a low vibrational state, which has put us into a vibrational prison controlled from this lower fourth dimension, which is expert at manipulating fear because that is the vibration of it's being.

And if we could just turn that around and start resonating - by our own actions and our own thoughts and our own state of being - to the emotion of love, which is not "I love you darling because I saw you in the disco." Love is the ultimate power because it will speak it's truth and walk it's talk and do what it believes to be right, no matter what the consequences to itself. That's the kind of love I'm talking about.

Because love has no fear - the emotion that actually takes our power away - so love without fear must be the ultimate power.

If we can get into that state, we start to reconnect with those levels. So we say, "Where are they?" Well, they're sitting around waiting for us to connect with them, but WE have to make the connection. Otherwise these other higher dimensions, that are seeking to help us and of which we are a part, would have to come into the wavelength of fear to connect with us-which would actually defeat the object of the whole thing.

Martin: You continually use the term "problem, reaction, solution". For those readers who are not aware what that is, would you explain?

David Icke: It's the most powerful mass-manipulation technique that has been used over thousands of years to advance this agenda to central, globalized control of all institutions of our lives. Kosovo, Bosnia, all of these different manipulated wars and problems - the Oklahoma City bombing, people going crazy with guns around the world, in schools and stuff, these are classic expressions of this.

If you want to introduce something like gun control, I think on gun control we got manipulated into the wrong debate. Whether guns are good, or whether guns are bad is actually a debate worth having, but it's not the crucial debate at this moment because what's happened by pulling us into this debate of "are guns good or are guns bad?" is that it has actually diverted people from the debate which we should actually be having in light of these events-which is why we have this pattern all over the world.

Because I travel a lot, I tell you, it's happening everywhere, people going crazy with guns, shooting people in the streets or schools, and then immediately legislation being proposed to take guns out of circulation. People should remember that gun laws were introduced in Germany just before Hitler started filling concentration camps.

I don't have guns. I wouldn't use guns. I'm not into guns. I don't see the point in meeting violence with violence because you get twice the violence. But we need to get street wise. Some people would use guns, and on the face of it, it will be easier to take over an unarmed population than an armed population, on the face of it. That's not actually true, but on the face of it that appears to be true. And, therefore, what better than taking guns out of circulation before you've had your final coup, if you like. So, "problem, reaction, solution" overcomes the situation in which, if you introduced what you want to introduce, openly, then you know that it would be so unpopular that you would get tremendous resistance to it.

For instance, if you wanted to give more power to the police, more power to the military, more power to stop and search, more power to go into your homes without permission, etc., and you did that openly without any of this other incentive-manipulation, there'd be tremendous resistance from people who say, "This is a global, fascist state!" or "This is a fascist country! You mustn't do this; we're not having it!"

So "problem, reaction, solution" overcomes this. It's a brilliant technique, very simple, and it means that not only do you avoid such opposition, you actually manipulate people who would normally oppose what you want, to see it as the only solution to the problems that have been created and demand you introduce it.

So, in Stage One, you create a problem. You make sure, however, someone else is blamed for it - a Timothy McVeigh, a Lee Harvey Oswald, President Milosevic, and all this stuff - you create a problem.

You could create a war, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, you could create a "terrorist" bombing, a government collapse, an economic collapse, or whatever, a run on Wall Street, anything.

You then get your problem, which you've covertly created, to be reported through your media in the way you want the people to perceive it.

So, you report the Oklahoma City bombing as if it was due to a couple of guys in a barn somewhere who produced this fuel-fertilizer device which, of course, independent bomb experts have said couldn't possibly have caused that damage in the building.

You then glean, as a result of this, the demand that "something must be done!" "What are they going to do about it?" "We can't have this; do something!"

And so you've now had Stage One - create the problem.

And you've also, at this point, had Stage Two - the public reaction: "Do something!"

That allows you to play out the sting operation, called Stage Three, which is offering the "solutions" you wanted to impose in the first place, to the problems you have yourself created.

So, if you take the Oklahoma City bombing for instance, within 24 hours of the event at the James P. Murrah federal building on April 19, 1995, you had Bill Clinton calling for an easing of restrictions on the military's involvement in domestic law enforcement.

The Anti-Terrorism Bill, that went through Congress on the nod and took away basic freedoms in America, went through purely and totally because of the Oklahoma City bombing and as a reaction-solution to that problem.

The more deeply you look into these events which are blamed on other people, the more clear it becomes that the people who proposed the legislation, afterwards, are the people who created the problem in the first place. And this is going on all the time.

We've just seen a massive example of this. I've been writing in my books, and many other people have been too, that NATO is designed to become the world police force, in some form, maybe not even called NATO when it reaches that point, but certainly NATO is the vehicle through which the global police force is being orchestrated.

In Bosnia, the First Stage of this, you had the UN peacekeeping operation as the status quo at the start of it. But that was massively exposed, on purpose, in a coordinated way as being next to useless. At the same time, horrific pictures were pouring through our television screens night after night, of horrors in Bosnia. This, of course, led to calls-as a result of this problem "something must be done!"

And the solution was a 60,000-strong world army, under NATO control, that took over in Bosnia. And, as I've shown in my books and talks, every major peace negotiator appointed by the UN or the European Union to end the war in Bosnia - but no, they didn't, of course - was a member of the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations, sometimes all three.

Then, as a result of Bosnia, the status quo was changed from reacting to these events with a UN peacekeeping operation, to reacting to them with NATO. So when they play Stage Two of this game, and that's all it is, this is not the end of it, Kosovo - there was no talk of UN peacekeeping operations - straight away, the status quo was NATO reacting to Kosovo. And if people only looked at it, it's just a mirror of Bosnia because there were no pictures.

I'm not saying Milosevic is a nice man, but I want to know who's actually controlling him, and who's controlling the Kosovo Liberation Army, etc., and all these various groups in this conflict. And I'm absolutely in no doubt that if you did the research, you'd find that the people who control NATO are the same people controlling Milosevic, the same people controlling the Kosovo Liberation Army, etc., because you need to control different sides in a game to insure certainty that the outcome is the one that you want it to be.

It was interesting that one of Milosevic's advisors during the Bosnian conflict was one of the key advisers, a few years earlier, to Margaret Thatcher - just a coincidence, nothing to worry about...

So we have these horrendous pictures coming out of Kosovo of these refugees pouring across the border and people forget that those pictures only started after the NATO bombing. And the NATO bombing actually massively, massively expanded the problem while claiming to be the solution. And what you have now, of course, is what they wanted all along, which is ground troops in Kosovo, and now they've got control of Kosovo and that whole area.

We're going to see Stage Two. I would say to people: watch the Chinese hierarchy very carefully because people who I trust, indeed, people who have been working on the inside for many years, tell me again and again, there's a China card waiting to be played as part of the process of creating a conflict big enough to turn, in one conflict, NATO into a world army to stop any more conflicts of this kind.

When you have the millennium mentality building up of "Come on, we've come to the end of a millennium. Look at the horrors of this millennium; let's start again", you have a global mentality that is very open to change, and there's nothing wrong with that except that if you control the forces of communication to the global mass-mind, you can control and manipulate what is perceived to be positive change, when actually it is only change that relates to the agenda that you want to introduce.

I actually wrote in The Biggest Secret about keeping an eye on China and the China card, and the next thing I know they've bombed the Chinese Embassy. Not only that, I think it was Time magazine, about three weeks ago or so, did a virtual whole edition demonizing China as the new monster and danger to the world. So I think we're going to see something like that unfold, and it will all be part of this recurring daily technique which happens in the local area, in the states, in the country, and in the world, of creating problems and offering the solutions to the problems.

It is the key technique. If people would only get street-wise to this, they would start to see presidential announcements and terrorist bombs and wars in a very, very different light.

I would just end the answer by saying this: The key question to ask in this situation, I would suggest, is: Who benefits? Who benefits from this Oklahoma City bombing? Who benefits from the wars? And who benefits from me believing the version of these events that I'm being asked to accept? And, again and again, when you ask that question of who benefits, the answer is, invariably, anyone who wants to further central power.

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