Q: What other attitudes do people have when this ["alien" contact]
crops up in their lives?
A: There's another group that feel that it's a very important part
of themselves, and they've made contact with ... Well, in religions,
there are the path of knowledge, the path of belief, and the path of
This is the path of experience because the other two are
not working. Our religious constructs are cracking, and as people
try to find
the historical Jesus and the temple of Solomon, and so
forth, when you concretize religion like that, for a lot of people
it destroys the belief. Also, as Christianity gets watered down and fundamentalized, people begin to lose that awe that kept them
entranced and in contact.
So what they do is slip into other
experiences. They personally experience something that feels bigger
than them, and like it knows more than them, and that's very
important. So they really hang on to it.
Q: Do you see any connection between the UFO-human interaction, your
research, and occult practices (West and East)?
A: For the western, the answer is definitely yes. Elizabeth the
First had a court astrologer called John Dee. He, along with Edward
Kelly was in contact with some sort of spirit being - I have a copy
of the manuscript, actually - and this being did a number of
things: it dictated an alphabet to them...
A: Enochian... and then it dictated some chants, and then an entire
system in this language. That system flourished while Elizabeth the
First was ruler, and in fact, a lot of English history was probably
influenced by this since Dee was using this channel to not only get
information, but to control events.
Q: How do you mean?
A: Well, for instance she could say "John, the Spanish Armada blah,
blah, blah... and what do you think? Can you help? Can we arrange
the forces in such a way that we have an advantage?" and he would do
that - it was his job. So he'd tell her what days to do it, but not
using only astrology, but these "tablets" that the "angel" dictated
So this goes into the Ashmolean museum in England and is
used by a series of occult societies, until it really surfaces again
in about 1870 with MacGregor Mathers and Wynn Wescott, and they
develop the Golden Dawn using this system.
Aleister Crowley then
takes this system and uses it for a series of things he calls
"workings" beginning in 1911. Along the way, he contacts Aiwass and
another entity called Lam... he looks just like one of the alien "greys"
with an eye disorder. Smaller eyes. Crowley continues these
"workings" until the last one in 1946, which was done by Jack
It's funny, because the OTO [Aleister Crowley's
Orientis organization] and other groups keep popping up all over the
place. The private lives of these people would make Dynasty look
like Mickey Mouse! Parsons is working at the Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, and the government has hired an arch magician to do
Q: And you can be sure they checked up on his background and didn't
find it objectionable enough to bother with.
A: And they knew he was Crowley's "chosen kid." It is weird all the
people who knew each other, and sometimes I think "Gee, I'll just
throw away all my history books!"
Q: "Everything You Know Is Wrong." There's a thrill in the discovery
of these things.
A: And there's a thread of that running through the Hollywood
community. Because [filmmaker] Kenneth Anger knows
They've known each other for a long time.
Q: What's that connection all about?
A: I don't really know. Vallee mentions in his latest book that he
knows the man. People I know who have asked him about Anger say that
he says nothing and won't talk about it. A magical magazine called
Green Egg dedicated a recent issue to Vallee. I talked to Whitley
Strieber once and asked him what was going on about all this, and he
said "If you really want to know, read my book Cat Magic. That's
where I tell the whole story." *
Q: So what did you find?
A: Well Cat Magic is about evocational magic. It's some sort of a
war between magicians. So that information seems to point to the
theory of UFOs that some gate has been opened and this is basically
a "leak." It's sort of the space-time ripping theory. In other
words, there's this hole in space-time and these things are getting
Q: Vallee actually hints at this over and over in his books
just couches it in scientific language.
A: He's being very careful, but he's saying the same thing.
Actually, a lot of people are saying it. John Keel does this. The
phenomena is bad because it doesn't just violate one or two physical
laws, it violates the whole deal. So you know it's just bad.
Something's really off. It's either very bogus - a lot of neural
noise, or it's just so far beyond our understanding that we have no
concepts to wrap around it to get a handle on it.
If that were true,
then the space-time holes idea might just be what it would look
like. In fact, that's just what my great-grandmother told me.
things are not from here. They come through here, and you have to be
careful. You can use them, but just be careful."
The things we were
taught about were called foletti.
The root of that word is the Latin
word folis, which means "whirlwind." They speak of little creatures
about two to three feet high that inhabit this "other world." And
they do things: they abduct people, they play tricks, they're very
sexual - they like to fiddle with people sexually, and this begins
to sound like
Q: And Keel, and Mack, and more recently
Gregory Little, author of
A: If you look at
John Dee and that kind of stuff, this information,
put in the right place at the right time, has a great influence on
the flow of human history. I think gradually everyone's waking up,
and it has an effect at that level.
* = In the interests of both Fairness and Responsible Journalism, we
thought it only fair to post this rebuttal by the Whitster:
From: Whitley Strieber email@example.com
Date: Thu May 08 21:38:21 1997
Subject: Re: Dr. Pazzaglini and the Enochian Space Aliens
"I talked to Whitley Strieber once and asked him what was going on
about all this, and he said "If you really want to know, read my
book Cat Magic. That's where I tell the whole story... it's about
evocational magic. It's some sort of a war between magicians."
-Mario Pazzaglini, Ph.D.
If it is of any interest, I did not say this.