and The Enochian Space Aliens
"Alien Writing: An Interview With Mario Pazzaglini, Ph.D."
Facilitated by Greg Bishop for The Excluded Middle #6
P.O.B. 1077, Los Angeles, CA 90048 USA
"I talked to Whitley Strieber once
and asked him what was going on about all this, and he said "If
you really want to know, read my book Cat Magic. That's where I
tell the whole story... it's about evocational magic. It's some
sort of a war between magicians."
-Mario Pazzaglini, Ph.D.*
Clinical psychologist Dr. Mario Pazzaglini
- whose background is in clinical psychology and
neurophysiology with a specialty in treating people who are severely
mentally ill - has recently self-published a curious little book
entitled Symbolic Messages.
The text discusses "received scripts"
any form of written communication that the human percipient alleges
to have originated with a non-human source. Methods of reception
range from channeled writings to symbols that were seen on or in
so-called extraterrestrial craft, to simple, inexplicable desires to
communicate something that seems to come from outside of the
receiver's frame of reference.
One purported alien script was
translated, "If you want to make light solid, show it to the moon."
Q: What other attitudes do
people have when this ["alien" contact] crops up in their lives?
A: There's another group that feel that it's a very
important part of themselves, and they've made contact with ...
Well, in religions, there are the path of knowledge, the path of
belief, and the path of experience. This is the path of
experience because the other two are not working. Our religious
constructs are cracking, and as people try to find the
historical Jesus and the temple of Solomon, and so forth, when
you concretize religion like that, for a lot of people it
destroys the belief. Also, as Christianity gets watered down and fundamentalized, people begin to lose that awe that kept them
entranced and in contact. So what they do is slip into other
experiences. They personally experience something that feels
bigger than them, and like it knows more than them, and that's
very important. So they really hang on to it.
Q: Do you see any connection between the UFO-human
interaction, your research, and occult practices (West and
A: For the western, the answer is definitely yes.
Elizabeth the First had a court astrologer called John Dee. He,
along with Edward Kelly was in contact with some sort of spirit
being -- I have a copy of the manuscript, actually -- and this
being did a number of things: it dictated an alphabet to them...
A: Enochian ... and then it dictated some chants, and
then an entire system in this language. That system flourished
while Elizabeth the First was ruler, and in fact, a lot of
English history was probably influenced by this since Dee was
using this channel to not only get information, but to control
Q: How do you mean?
A: Well, for instance she could say "John, the Spanish
Armada blah, blah, blah ...and what do you think? Can you help?
Can we arrange the forces in such a way that we have an
advantage?" and he would do that -- it was his job. So he'd tell
her what days to do it, but not using only astrology, but these
"tablets" that the "angel" dictated as well. So this goes into
the Ashmolean museum in England and is used by a series of
occult societies, until it really surfaces again in about 1870
with MacGregor Mathers and Wynn Wescott, and they develop
Golden Dawn using this system. Aleister Crowley then takes this
system and uses it for a series of things he calls "workings"
beginning in 1911. Along the way, he contacts Aiwass and another
entity called Lam ... he looks just like one of the alien "greys"
with an eye disorder. Smaller eyes. Crowley continues these
"workings" until the last one in 1946, which was done by
Parsons. It's funny, because the OTO [Aleister Crowley's
Templi Orientis organization] and other groups keep popping up
all over the place. The private lives of these people would make
Dynasty look like Mickey Mouse! Parsons is working at the Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, and the government has hired an arch
magician to do ultra-sensitive work.
Q: And you can be sure they checked up on his background
and didn't find it objectionable enough to bother with.
A: And they knew he was Crowley's "chosen kid." It is
weird all the people who knew each other, and sometimes I think
"Gee, I'll just throw away all my history books!"
Q: "Everything You Know Is Wrong." There's a thrill in
the discovery of these things.
A: And there's a thread of that running through the
Hollywood community. Because [filmmaker] Kenneth Anger knows
Jacques Vallee. They've known each other for a long time.
Q: What's that connection all about?
A: I don't really know. Vallee mentions in his latest
book that he knows the man. People I know who have asked him
about Anger say that he says nothing and won't talk about it. A
magical magazine called Green Egg dedicated a recent issue to
Vallee. I talked to
Whitley Strieber once and asked him what was
going on about all this, and he said "If you really want to
know, read my book Cat Magic. That's where I tell the whole
Q: So what did you find?
A: Well Cat Magic is about evocational magic. It's some
sort of a war between magicians. So that information seems to
point to the theory of UFOs that some gate has been opened and
this is basically a "leak." It's sort of the space-time ripping
theory. In other words, there's this hole in space-time and
these things are getting through.
Q: Vallee actually hints at this over and over in his
books -- he just couches it in scientific language.
A: He's being very careful, but he's saying the same
thing. Actually, a lot of people are saying it. John Keel does
this. The phenomena is bad because it doesn't just violate one
or two physical laws, it violates the whole deal. So you know
it's just bad. Something's really off. It's either very bogus --
a lot of neural noise, or it's just so far beyond our
understanding that we have no concepts to wrap around it to get
a handle on it. If that were true, then the space-time holes
idea might just be what it would look like.
In fact, that's just
what my great-grandmother told me.
"These things are not from
here. They come through here, and you have to be careful. You
can use them, but just be careful."
The things we were taught
about were called foletti. The root of that word is the Latin
word folis, which means "whirlwind." They speak of little
creatures about two to three feet high that inhabit this "other
world." And they do things: they abduct people, they play
tricks, they're very sexual -- they like to fiddle with people
sexually, and this begins to sound like Jacques Vallee.
Q: And Keel, and Mack, and more recently Gregory Little,
author of Grand Illusions.
A: If you look at John Dee and that kind of stuff, this
information, put in the right place at the right time, has a
great influence on the flow of human history. I think gradually
everyone's waking up, and it has an effect at that level.
= In the interests of both
Fairness and Responsible Journalism, we thought it only fair to post
this rebuttal by the Whitster:
From: Whitley Strieber email@example.com
Date: Thu May 08 21:38:21 1997
Subject: Re: ::: Dr. Pazzaglini and the Enochian Space Aliens
"I talked to Whitley Strieber once and asked him what was going
on about all this, and he said "If you really want to know, read
my book Cat Magic. That's where I tell the whole story... it's
about evocational magic. It's some sort of a war between
-Mario Pazzaglini, Ph.D.
If it is of any interest, I did not say this.